pzwiki_editing

[lucid junco]

They call cheese "Le fromage" in Paris?

Man, thats like those french guys have their own other language

[distant osprey]

Tofu ??? Are you crazy my boy XD No way, this is cheese "fromage" no way this can be apparented as tofu 😱 it hurts my country 😂

We are kinda the cheese and baguette country to be honest

[lucid junco]

Yeah, no shit

[languid kayak]

[lucid junco]

And RJ

Also, cant wait for businesses page to become outdated the second b42 drops

And how did we found out about some of the incoming business locations?

Irvington isnt even on pz map yet, where did this info came from?

[languid kayak]

The names of files, mostly https://projectzomboid.com/blog/content/uploads/2022/12/irvington_14.png https://projectzomboid.com/blog/content/uploads/2023/01/irvington_18.png

There was (is) some research in https://canary.discord.com/channels/136501320340209664/1195687717233770607 too

btw @proud cobalt I guess it's a task for a bot but we should update the template too, it seems that the locations in pages like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Pizza_Whirled/tr are wrong following the change to auto-link it 🤔 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Pizza_Whirled/tr

[languid kayak]

brw @proud cobalt there's an extra newline between ==Usage== and the rest of the page.

[proud cobalt]

Not sure what you mean

[languid kayak]

Oh, I was supposed to link to an example 😄 Some movables have double lines, I fixed some manually yesterday, might make a little bot task, I didn't add it to the actual tasks yet: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Zippee_Market_Sign&curid=43991&diff=399569&oldid=399143

[abstract sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/omelette-dexter-laboratory-whisper-gif-15038986

[lucid junco]

I hope we get a slurp and blurp in b42

[frail fossil]

and wine

[frail fossil]

wasnt that in the 0.1.5 version

[proud cobalt]

Slow week 😆

Admittedly I've been preoccupied

But have some days off next week to get some more meta pages done

[serene sage]

there were like only four edits yesterday

half of them by new accounts

things are slow indeed

stopped, almost

[languid kayak]

at least you have an excuse 😄

[proud cobalt]

It happens, With all pages up to date things were bound to slow down. Life also gets in the way. Everything just happened to line up yesterday lol

[languid kayak]

I still have a backlog of things to do, but the wiki is overall healthy indeed, just the ironing out 🙂

[digital helm]

Indeed, got to take those breaks to avoid burn out

[serene sage]

just found it funny everyone took a break at the same time

[distant osprey]

Yeah true, same for me haha

[languid kayak]

butterfly effect

[lucid junco]

Just the lv businesses

They are the least finished part of the wiki

Also, minecraft wiki gave me an idea

What if we add "history" to pages?

[robust latch]

For everything?

[languid kayak]

That's the plan, yeah. We had it for some pages but it was unmaintained

I also linked TF2 wiki for that, I think it has some auto-generated notes

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/principal-skinner-yes-seymour-skinner-the-simpsons-enthusiastic-yes-gif-15806751

[robust latch]

Are we going to be able to maintain thousands of pages with accurate history information?

How will this even work

And do we really need it_

[languid kayak]

autogenerated based on files would be a good start, comparing things like item properties and stats for starters

Would work for items, movables, vehicles I guess, maybe skills, crafting, moodles too, not much for locations and some abstract pages, though not every one would need have it. I personall see the most value in items TBF

[robust latch]

Comparing current build with every version that had been released so far, which file does someone has to start looking for this?

Also just quickly glancing at TFT Update History, I am seeing many [Undocumented] patches, which means editors had to verify these changes manually

Is every change recorded in patch notes, with complete adequate information?

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/principal-skinner-no-seymour-skinner-the-simpsons-hesitant-gif-15806752

At least, not for some

As Ive seen previously, map updates aren't properly documented

Though item info usually is

[languid kayak]

yeah, that's why I think comparing files is the way to go, I always did compare the files in the scripts and lua folders to find what actually changed 😄

but yeah, doesn't have to be 100% accurate either

[lucid junco]

And not like we need to be all that precise

[robust latch]

But isnt thats the point though

Maybe this is easier than it sounds&looks, just felt like a colossal task to me, simply becase the number of the pages and the amount of manual verification that has to be done by editors. But then I dont have enough knowledge to give more educated opinion

• I do personally find the history information irrelevant&space occupying in other wikis, but thats just a "reader" take so to speak.

(I am trying to carefully disagree lol)

[robust latch]

Hopefully this works wonders and we wont have to verify every single tidbit of information then 😄

Anyhow, all the power to whomever supports this, I hope I was bellowing for nothing.

[languid kayak]

Well, guess right now it's not tackled 😄

[proud cobalt]

No definitely not, the changes are usually along the lines of "Some minor balancing changes" with no details

[digital helm]

The amount of work required is why we haven't done it to date (and removed it from pages that had it), but hopefully b42 will be a good fresh start with it. We'd start with the b42 changes, but hopefully one day go back and add info from older versions (at least up to the playable ones)

It could still be a challenge, and hard to maintain, but we'll see how it goes. And basic details is probably better than nothing

[proud cobalt]

If someone had the scripts files for every single version, it wouldn't be impossible to do items being added, buffed and nerfed

[mortal chasm]

g

[robust latch]

A big concern imo.

[lucid junco]

We have the history on sledgehammer page

Which is decent

Though Id reorder it

Put links as names

Remove the "alpha" on top

[robust latch]

I think IF we are really, really want to add complete and accurate history information to the wiki, for every single item, location, mechanic... an Indie Stone member involving and helping us will be inevitable. Maybe they got some detailed logs backed up and stuff, which might save many hours of manual labour

[robust latch]

This looks decent indeed

[proud cobalt]

If someone finds a way to have the script text files for every single update, items being added, buffed and nerfed could possibly be automated

[lucid junco]

Would look better after a rewamp

[naive imp]

You and me both. Louisville needs done but the 19th was my 20th birthday so I took a break for a bit before and after. Happy to start again tonight though (assuming my friends don't invite me to play lethal company again)

[naive imp]

Imo we have WAY more important things to tackle atm. Definitely something to consider for the future.

At this point I think the biggest hassle for build 42 on my end will be the world location refresh. Until @ruby moss updates the map we may have to just stick {{reupload}} on every location page until it gets done manually

@proud cobalt might ask for help with your bot for that

Should be easy enough due to all locations being categorized now

[lucid junco]

Late happy birthday
LV businesses need pages revamp, some of them lack content, others have very strange templates used, mainly hairdressers for some reason.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Be_Beauty (as an example)

Ideally each building should get a page, (General Store, Pharmacy, Library, perhaps schools and others)

[lucid junco]

Im curious where this whole "containers" thing came from

[naive imp]

I'm working through it. The Unnamed locations will get a page at a later date once the general pages for businesses are done, it'll link to those and have a table with locations similar to {{building multi location}}

I want to make sure all the unique pages are done first

It's slow going but I'm making progress. At this rate It might take a month or two

I'll be ramping up progress though and hope to get it done by the end of July

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/gabe-newell-time-crowbar-half-life-gif-15650818

[vital sand]

changing the icons for nutrition since they look awful right now

for some reason calories isnt updating but that's probably cache doing it's thing

[languid kayak]

I have kept it for some versions, the old depots should be downloadable from Steam, too.

[proud cobalt]

Simple enough

[proud cobalt]

It's always cache

[vital sand]

yeah so the cache isnt updating

i replaced all the icons but they just dont appear

this is clearly server cache since i used Special:Purge to delete the cache on my end

[proud cobalt]

Yeah it's known, there's very heavy caching on images

Have to give it at least 24 hrs

[vital sand]

im marking a few files for deletion (old ones like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Knife_Chopping.png) since they have no reason to exist

[languid kayak]

Yeah, there's some duplicates left still, thanks!

[vital sand]

also adding categories

general housekeeping stuff

[digital helm]

We can probably go without these icons now. Not a fan of the new calories and carbs icons personally

[digital helm]

May be your browser cache (ctrl + f5 on chrome). Should only take up to an hour for the server cache to update an image

[languid kayak]

The old water and food icons will most likely be changed with the new moodle images in b42 too 🤔

[vital sand]

finally updated on my end

looks better than the old ones imo

[vital sand]

yeah

[vital sand]

it wasn't. the server cache is just really slow

[languid kayak]

yeah, it is heavily cached. ctrl+f5 won't help in most cases, sometimes purging the page helps, but not in case of images 😛

[languid kayak]

hard to judge what's better honestly, the plus I see is that they are from the game for sure, though

[vital sand]

fits better with the other moodles

[round flume]

yo is there any better info for the painkiller wiki

its kinda like...... not usefull??

[languid kayak]

If you have anything else to add over the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Painkillers like the exact values of pain taken, feel free to! Other than thar, there's not much more to add, the distribution is there and the model is too

[round flume]

Trying to figure out how i would find that info, also how long it lasts would be super helpful

[languid kayak]

good point too, might need a deeper look indeed

[round flume]

most of the other pills have better info so I was pretty suprised at how bare minimum one of the more prominent ones were lol

[languid kayak]

not sure who was the last one adding that info 😄 Though good point nevertheless

[round flume]

Do you know how I could find the info for that?

[languid kayak]

I think it's in the lua files? If not, you'd have to get into th java code, which is possible, but not so straightforward 🤔

[round flume]

😭

I think i may know someone

[languid kayak]

Kinda tired now and a bit of short time tomorrow, so no promises I'll take a look soon, if no one replies here though, I think folks at #mod_support might be more technical 😄

[round flume]

Im trying to make a video going over all the medical items and noticed how bare bones it was compared to the others lol

[round flume]

thats not a bad idea actually thank you

[languid kayak]

Added an improve note for now with your points, so we don't forget though, thanks 🙂

[digital helm]

Pretty sure it's in java. We discussed painkillers recently. #pzwiki_editing message

[digital helm]

Are we happy to remove them? Since we only use icons for moodles in other cases. I originally only added these because when the infoboxes were separate, the food infobox had icons for everything, except these

[round flume]

tty

[lucid junco]

There isnt that much to it

Painkillers remove pain

Unless you want to provide a math on how fast they do it

And maybe add tip about how it is useful with exercises

[languid kayak]

the only "drawback" would be they'd be scaled from 32 to 24 px, but not sure how troublesome it is, plus not sure if you wanted to make icons biggers anyway for mobile?

[languid kayak]

I went thorough all the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Occupations and did some minor cleanups here, will move to moodles, though few things I noticed

• The foraging effects aren't added, except one on the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Park_Ranger – they are on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Foraging#Occupation though so maybe I'll add them later
• I think the Effect in the infobox should be changed to Effects, not sure we want to change the variable too? Not many pages so far, so doable with a bot, pinging @proud cobalt for that
• I also noticed the French ones don't have the navbox, it was all by ContUpsilon apparently, so I guess I can add it.

There were some minor changes too, I carried some to the French pages too.

[proud cobalt]

Should be fine just add it to bot tasks, gotta get to that when I get back into editing.

[languid kayak]

Also @digital helm do we want to add a task for link/move over redirect the following pages?

• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Moodles → Moodle
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Skills → Skill
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Traits → Trait

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Occupation is already singular

[languid kayak]

the moodles actually do link to [[moodle]], that's why French pages link to non-existing page, they aren't redirected

[vital sand]

there are many moodles, skills, etc so i don't think you should change that

probably move occupation to occupations

[vital sand]

those pages list them all off

[proud cobalt]

Pluralised page names are harder to link to and worse for search

[vital sand]

i see

[vital sand]

currently making the icons look better

comparison at the bottom with the alcoholic icon

[vital sand]

looks good

[lucid junco]

Unsure about the poison one

[lucid junco]

Its not like how it is in game, is it?

[languid kayak]

it's the icon from the poisonous food

[languid kayak]

@lucid junco btw is it still needed, or safe to delete? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:TableStoryDinner.png

[frosty urchin]

divinely

[lucid junco]

Ask @serene sage

If it's unused - dump it

[serene sage]

yeah I used my own image to represent this table story

@languid kayak it can be sent to the shadow realm now

[digital helm]

I think that would be very helpful.
Same with Items and Tiles eventually

[languid kayak]

yeah, and we're still on renaming it back to furniture and split movables from real tiles? As I didn't get myself onto it yet 😛

[lucid junco]

Hooray, Seahorse Coffee bombardment had stopped

[digital helm]

I've reverted the poison icon back to the in-game poison icon, rather than the death moodle with a green tint

I've also locked the item infobox (I thought it already was). The changes made are stylistic, which come down to personal preference, so should be discussed first. Any changes can be proposed in the sandbox. Then ping @languid kayak or myself and we can discuss/make the changes

[distant osprey]

Thanks for the changes did to French 👍🏻 Don't hesitate to ping me when you want to inform me for French modifications 🙂

[distant osprey]

I don't get it, we did a mistake ?

[digital helm]

@distant osprey I just made a change to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Protection adding Any changes can be proposed on the [[/sandbox|sandbox]]. to the end of note

@robust latch too

[languid kayak]

no worries; wanted to ping you then noticed it's not yours works 😄

[languid kayak]

well, the original pages linked to redirect [[moodle]] instead of [[moodles]]. There was [[moodles/fr]] but not [moodle/fr], I changed all the links though we might rename them too 🤔

[languid kayak]

Any value in even keeping this? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Windows It's all outdated info, not sure we could salvage much out of it… Unless we'd make some windows-only troubleshooting which we likely won't… Same probably goes for Mac and Linux I guess?

[naive imp]

I was actually gonna ping you for that and mark it for deletion

Tbh I don't see we need it

There's a lot of random shit like that we don't need tbh

[languid kayak]

I was aware of their existence, was considering bringing them up to date but I don't really see the point, c.f., https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Linux

and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mac

These are rarely linked to, most in the old FAQ that at least got somehow updated, but nowhere else really: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Linux

I'd say it'd be best to nuke them and be done with them? Would remove the task while at it and maybe I woudl get myself to finally take a second look at the FAQs

[languid kayak]

btw @proud cobalt I was always wondering, is the link to the Reddit post about parsing Tdefs correct in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Seat_Yourself_Furniture#Phase_1_-_Stubs ? It links to something about blacksmithing, or is it an omission?

[distant osprey]

Yeah but you can ping me anyway, I'm in touch with all the other french contributors 😉

[digital helm]

No point keeping them imo. I wouldn't know about Mac and Linux though. My assumption is that these were only relevant prior to steam

[proud cobalt]

Yeah it's correct, open the google sheets link and change the sheet to 'Tiles'

[digital helm]

@proud cobalt was there a plan for distribution/locations for tiles? Since some can be found in containers and placed in the world. Been looking at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Antique_Oven
Also (again) bringing up the potential to rename 'distribution' to 'locations', as it would make more sense when not referring to item distribution. Would probably also be clearer for readers too

@languid kayak for that last part

[proud cobalt]

0 plans for tiles to have them at the moment. I would say not before b42 map rework at all

I'm not against distro name change

[languid kayak]

I don't mind locations either; especially since items can be found elsewhere too (on zombies, starter items, annotated maps, random stories…)

[digital helm]

I'll pop it into bot tasks then at some point

[lime kettle]

Are there uh, rules on profanity in wiki usernames? My preferred username nowadays technically has profanity in it—there's a couple usernames on the wiki with mild profanity in them but I'm worried they just slipped under the radar because they didn't make any edits.

The username is just Stig Ol' Bitches (big ol' stitches), so not like, bigoted or directed at anyone, but I don't want to lose my account or have to get it renamed

I just went with my backup username instead

... I'm editing the food navbox template, and uh. Graham crackers and tortilla chips are included under "Grains"?

as is instant popcorn

I think I'll move beef jerky, crackers, dehydrated meat sticks, all the dried beans/lentils/peas, dry ramen noodles, graham crackers, instant popcorn, mac and cheese, pasta, and tortilla chips into the non-perishable section of the navbox, and I'll add TV dinners since it's not listed anywhere yet
I'm undecided on if I should move rice too, but I'm leaning towards yes

oh, and raspberry shortbread isn't nonperishable at all

Wow, it's all out of sorts—chocolate-covered doughnuts, frosted doughnuts, and jelly doughnuts are perishable as well

this is rapidly spiraling out of control! Pickled food isn't even nonperishable, so I figure maybe it should go under the plants category?

... oh, it's already there

I guess to reduce the changeset I could rename the navbox category to "Non-perishable and preserved foods"

[languid kayak]

Hey! Thanks for reaching out, we technically have a rule against profanities in usernames and currently there's no way to rename (I had to ban one offensive name sadly before), though I wonder how strict it should be… Probably better for indexing engines/SEO and potential law reasons (if there's such things) to have it indexed, so better to go with a safe nick, though OTOH nothing in the wiki is being censored from profanities, like texts that are verbatim and while Zomboid isn't rated itself, it's definitely targeted to adults anyway.

[languid kayak]

feel free to! I did have plan to go through the foods at one point deeper, but I never did 😄 Keep in mind some categorization in item lists might be different than navbox too

[lime kettle]

Yeah, I just went with ZombieGirlSutures, which is my alternate and one that's grown on me more (mostly because I can use it...)

[lucid junco]

How strict is it currently?

And is it more strict than on wiki pages?

Although I suppose if the game already has swear words in it, then they can be used on wiki

[languid kayak]

Misleading, offensive, or otherwise inappropriate usernames are not allowed and will be banned indefinitely.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Rules

Open to interpretation I guess…

[lucid junco]

But how inappropriate thought?

[languid kayak]

That's what's open for interpretation I guess 😄 Probably best to avoid swear words for other reasons anyway (spam filters, seo whatever).

Actually, I noticed it was you @digital helm who added it back in 2018, should we elaborate on what inaproppriate is? I did ban one account over a sweat word in it

[languid kayak]

@robust latch what in https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Knox_Event&curid=11388&diff=399805&oldid=357795 is unverified?

[languid kayak]

I guess we can add that to easter eggs? Someone want to verify? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Easter_eggs&curid=36767&diff=400547&oldid=343739

Also, can someone verify this? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Trapping&curid=15003&diff=399621&oldid=77861 Seems Eerie isn't on Discord

[languid kayak]

@digital helm is it still under construction? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Title

[robust latch]

The chronology had made up assumptions according to the TIS employee. Some or all of the speculations has to be removed to have more accurate article.

So we have to at some point "verify" it.

[languid kayak]

okay, gonna leave it as is then. Gotta trim some pages at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Articles_requiring_verification at some point too, some low hanging fruits are still there 😛

[languid kayak]

(all removed now btw)

[digital helm]

I'd probably simplify and go with 'preserved food' instead. The 'non-perishable' and 'perishable' categories are side categories anyway, so hard to categorise food in them effectively

[digital helm]

It would've been added as a rule to fall back on in case we had to enforce it. Not necessarily enforced, unless it has to be. Something like bitches may be fine, unless it was targeted towards a particular person or group of people. I think the ambiguity with it is fine. Better to not have a name with any profanity in it imo

[digital helm]

Probably not? It was just the doc that was wip. But if you think it's fine, happy to remove it

[lime kettle]

Preserved is more specific, not less, to me.

[digital helm]

Yeah, non-perishable is too broad, as its items could go in multiple categorirs

[lime kettle]

I wouldn't consider mac and cheese or graham crackers to be preserved, but it doesn't perish. I can name it whatever, though, really

[lime kettle]

They already are.

Jarred foods are under both plants and non-perishable foods in the navbox.

[digital helm]

Ah 🤔

Jarred foods are perishable though, but are preserved

[lime kettle]

Yeah. It's a mess. I was considering removing jarred foods from the non-perishable category... but, well, in the navbox template it's referred to as preserved_foods anyway.

Just visually referred to as nonperishable foods.

[digital helm]

Foods have been hard to categorise for many years... Happy for you to play around with it, best to test in the sandbox though

[lucid junco]

You can't place traps near walls?

I believe trapper in Tanglewood has traps near walls in garage

[languid kayak]

jarred foods are technically perishable, they just lust a lot (almost indefinitive when kept frozen)

[languid kayak]

dunno, I'd have to test 😄

[lucid junco]

You can put traps near walls

Though not near windows

Player made walls

Player madde windows

After removing trap and trying to put it back

Though weirdly, some walls do block traps

I can put a trap on one side of the chair, but not on the other

You cant put them in front of doors

Main part is in front, you can put them on the back

I cant put it here for some reason

You can put them in doors, near containers or other furniture

Final answer - you can put traps near walls, but now windows or front of the doors

Traps wont be destroyed if you create any window

[lucid junco]

(or any other hoppable thing like frame or low fence)

Also, Ive been holding this out probably for too long

Ive compiled all of the straightened(as of B41) logos into one zip file. Im sure it has almost all of the relevant ones.

@proud cobalt All of the logos compiled, some of them are only present inside of tilesheets. Just in case you want to use ones from the game on their respective pages.

All of the working materials, aka all of the bits of signs compiled if anyone needs them in future

[scarlet kelp]

for some reason the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Traits#Trivia has a hyperlink leading to itself

[robust latch]

Its redirected from "Trait", thats why

[languid kayak]

That'd be useful for signs movables I guess?

Also thanks for testing traps!

[languid kayak]

And thanks for replying on the wiki as well 🙂

[proud cobalt]

Awesome thanks for that

[naive imp]

@distant osprey can you verify the quality of the mbox translation here?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Spiffo's/fr

[distant osprey]

Seems that this isn't translated 🤔
I was sure that I translated all te mboxes, weird

[naive imp]

Translated on my end

Weird indeed

I can screenshot gimme a sec

@distant osprey

That look on to you?

*ok

[distant osprey]

OH oh ! My bad, I was on the english page, my bad 😂
Yeah it's translated, sorry

[naive imp]

Lmao

It doesn't look too weird gramatically?

I'm gonna start getting input from people because some of these translated pages are outdated as FUCK

@distant osprey meant to be a reply

[distant osprey]

Yeah that is a bit weird gramatically, I translated like a noob it seems xD
I'm gonna edit this.

You work on the FR pages tho ? 😮

[naive imp]

Nope, but I do want to put translated mboxes on pages with other languages so that it's more communicated that readers of that language need to update the page.

It'll help us get more editors on different languages

At least I think so

If I encounter a page that's significantly out of date I want to notate it and whatnot

I'm as American as can be lol, I live in Florida and still hardly speak Spanish after all these years 😂

I am trying to learn tho

[distant osprey]

It seems that this isn't write the same thing, wtf

Inside the template model

The only weird phrase is "Il doit être mis à jour vers la version anglaise" it seems a bit weird.

[naive imp]

It is meant to say "It needs to be updated according to the English version", however that is construed in French grammatical rules

This is why I contacted you lol

[distant osprey]

Yes but it seems I can't edit this sentence, it doesn't appear at all in the Mbox 🤔

[naive imp]

It's in {{Improve|insert sentence here}}

@distant osprey meant to be a reply

[distant osprey]

Is this editable via the page it's on ? Cuz the mbox itself doesn't show this sentence

[languid kayak]

new debug menu, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=40&v=uTxR7ELN4SA

[naive imp]

Should be. If you're having trouble just reply here with the correct translation and I'll add it 😀

[distant osprey]

It's ok, I edit it properly now 😄

[naive imp]

🫡

[naive imp]

Interesting location bits in the latest thursdoid

Yall give it a read if you haven't already, there's some good stuff in there. Nothing crazy like last time bit some polishing and whatnot

News for foraging zones too

[distant osprey]

New lighting system looks amazing, I love it

[tulip kiln]

I imagine there's gonna be quite a lot of new lore pages we'd have to make too, since we got stuff like newspapers etc

[proud cobalt]

Yeah there's a whole project ready for lore related items

[languid kayak]

I like the crafting menu being shown, first time we see it till the very-WIP one

Ironically simplified crafting may be a life-saver for wiki, maybe we won't have to adjust the crafting that much while we are overhelmed by new additions (items, renames, balances/fixes, locations overhauls…)

[languid kayak]

btw, not sure you realized with the LSU Library, that the screenshot above is from PZmap while the screenshot below is from the game 😄

Makes sense as it's easier/convinient than launching a stable build just to take a picture, but interesting nevertheless 😄

[proud cobalt]

Ready for deletion
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:ModdingFunction

[lucid junco]

Recipes are probably gonna be out of date

So will be the gallery, interior description of many chains

[scarlet kelp]

mixup https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sawed-off_JS-2000_Shotgun
at the top is the normal shotgun, not the sawed off one
at the bottom is the sawed off

[robust latch]

Thanks for pointing this out, feel free to fix mistakes yourself aswell

[naive imp]

Hopefully not. We have enough shit to deal with lol

[languid kayak]

I wonder; do we really need that disambig? Is anyone really looking for Bulletproof Vest or BulletDefense or HaveChamber parameter when looking for a bullet? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bullet_(disambiguation)

The rest of disambiguation pages are sane, just this one is weird https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Disambiguation_pages

I'd just register bullet into https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Ammo and maybe add a note (but I don't think it's that =important either)

[languid kayak]

@naive imp the two I kept as they were links back in the old main page to preserve translations, there's a few more pages like that, see the top of the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:ShortPages. We had a brief discussion with Vaileasys whether we want to have it like that to keep the translated names, especially now that Trasnaltion database is no longer there, though I wonder how will it be with Translate extension 🤔

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Spiffo's/cs&curid=35273&diff=401749&oldid=396767
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Spiffo's/ko&curid=38193&diff=401751&oldid=396773

I also wonder about https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Testing_mods_in_multiplayer as it was created back in June 2023, so means after 41.78.16 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Testing_mods_in_multiplayer&oldid=108137

[naive imp]

But they aren't short pages though, they're literally blank. We have a history of deleting stuff like this, I don't see why a relic of previous translations that we don't even do anymore is a valid cause to keep them

We've also been moving away from a lot of guides on the wiki, so I wanted to ask what's the plan for archived guides?

They're hardly linked anywhere and are so outdated they're no longer helpful or useful 99 percent of the time besides the two beginners guides we have that may still be of some use

[languid kayak]

The other short pages are "blank" too, like the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sunstar_Motel/cs I just kept the translations as DISPLAYTITLE back when I was moving pages 🤔

But yeah, not sure how much we'd keep. There are some done by others too, like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fear/fr

[languid kayak]

Right now they are archived, as we don't really have a better place to move them, they aren't linked to or updated, but just in case someone wants them, they are here. I don't think we'll be wanting more guides, Steam being a better place for them, though some are there for legacy reasons

[naive imp]

Well if we're going to keep them I think they should be linked to somewhere

[digital helm]

It's unlike any other disambig page. I agree Bullet should redirect to Ammo. I agree to get rid of it, and use {{About}} on the Ammo page. Having a disambig page linking to a disambig page is also a no go.

[naive imp]

Because if not then Noone will find them and then what's the point of them being here

[proud cobalt]

Theyre just archived shouldnt be linked to

[digital helm]

I'm not sure of my opinion on blank pages for translations previously, but right now I don't think we should have them. Yeah it looks messy, but it still has it in English, and being a red link shows that the page doesn't exist, so needs to be created.

[digital helm]

I agree, not much point keeping them imo. If they're not being archived to preserve the history of the game then I think they should be deleted.

[languid kayak]

They'll be autolinked if someone copies the navbox, but we don't have much active czech edits recently and even more so korean ones as of late 😄

[naive imp]

I moreso meant the guides akin to @digital helm

[languid kayak]

As far as the places goes, just keep in mind there's more beside Spiffo's
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Spiffo's/cs
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Spiffo's/ko

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Twiggy's/ko
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Twiggy's/cs
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sunstar_Motel/cs
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sunstar_Motel/ko
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sunstar_Motel/pt
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sunstar_Motel/pt-br
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Cortman_Medical/cs
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Cortman_Medical/ko
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Cortman_Medical/pt
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Cortman_Medical/pt-br
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Nolan's_Used_Cars/cs
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Nolan's_Used_Cars/pt
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Nolan's_Used_Cars/pt-br

^ these were translated back when they were linked at the main page, that's why the translation were moved to DISPLAYTITLE back then.

There's more similar pages like that, some were remnant of untraslated English pages that were just copied like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Crossroads_Mall/zh-hant (see the history)

That's why I linked to the short pages, these are easiest to find that way 😄

[naive imp]

Aaaaah

It's 7:56 here in freedomland I woke up an hour ago lol

[languid kayak]

I've been taking a look at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Testing_mods_in_multiplayer and it's heavily linked to, including the main page at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modding and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbox_modding – are we really wanting for it to be gone totally? I never tried modding so hard for me to judge what's useful and what not 🤔

[digital helm]

may be fine if it were updated and in a different writing style (I never tested mods on multiplayer)

[naive imp]

I will admit I was likely overzealous with that one

But it could use improve mbox

[digital helm]

It looks up to date to me, at least from my modding days mid b41. Was also created June last year, so after latest update. Should just need to be rewritten

[naive imp]

I'll do some cleanups on my break

Just scrubbed a fuckton of animal kennels (I work at an animal shelter)

[languid kayak]

@naive imp

Delete|Following discussion on discord, guides that are not archived to preserve game history should be deleted
I remember having a brief discussion, but I think I said they are fine to keep with the achive? They are archived already, so unless link to removed pages, not much mainteneance burden, especially as I don't think these are copies of some Steam ones?

[naive imp]

I though vail said to delete them?

[languid kayak]

pinging @digital helm for opinion too.

Though as far as removing stuff, I think I should get myself to remove the HC icons, I think it's time for it 😄

[naive imp]

Here

[languid kayak]

I must have missed that bit then, the guides are all in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Archived_guides btw

And the all guides are here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Guides (some are not 100% guides, some might not be linked; the modding pages were typically a guide-like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modding

[naive imp]

All good, it happens 😀

[languid kayak]

Wasn't there discussion somewhere that https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Buying_and_running_a_Linux_Project_Zomboid_server would have some value after being brought up to date? It's still linked in various pages and it was originally written by Connall 🤔

Other I think it's indeed time to go, someone stumbling upon them might indeed get fake idea of wiki being outdated or just find irrelevant info

I doubt there's anything to move to any of the relevant pages in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Building_a_safehouse anymore? Pinging @proud cobalt for that as it was originally cut off the carpentry page, you might remember it 😛

[proud cobalt]

Dont think so, any relevant information went into each page, the rest is just game tips

[languid kayak]

I think the noise being generated is mentioned too? Speaking of which https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Noise is pretty lackluster, ideally having range for each would be ideal 😄

[proud cobalt]

Didnt even know this page existed

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I linked it on the main page some time ago, but other than that it's not much linked to

Though it is linked 43 times https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Noise

(often from non-English pages though)

[languid kayak]

About these though, are we keeping them for now till translate extension comes for now or not? Don't want the Spiffo's one to stay in the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_requested_for_deletion and I'm not sure what's the best course of action 🤔

[languid kayak]

Actually, I wanted to remove https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mods/Hydrocraft from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Hydrocraft_mod but realized it's being used as an example in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Mod 🤔

I guess the idea of having mods was never really used much. Which at one hand we barely are up to date with what we have, but the idea of mods having their own pages co-existing with the regular ones would be interesting and would probably alleviate some lesser-functional wikis on GitHub or community discussions, or, at time of its popularity, even the undeniable one 😛

[languid kayak]

BTW, I'm adding foraging bonuses to each occupation pages now, is the table at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Foraging#Occupation 100% right? Does it mean that Fire Officer have +5% ignore weather and +10% ignore darkness while others have minuses? Does it mean a malus?

[languid kayak]

Also, fisherman has 1.0 search radius but others don't have it filled; is it the same?

oh, it's a radius bonus so I guess it's a flat bonus being added

[languid kayak]

btw, I just realzed, now it's Vertex Break being mentioned in https://projectzomboid.com/blog/about-us/ in place of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/General_Arcade @tulip kiln you think it warrants a new article or should it be pushes to the GA article?

[tulip kiln]

Eh no idea tbh. Noiseworks and formosa don't have seperate pages but they're still the same company they just got bought out.

While Vertex Break is a splinter company

Depends on if you'd consider it enough to warrant a new page or something, cause there's not a shit ton about em since it seems not too long ago they made the company

https://vertexbreak.com/

it was also sort of difficult to try and figure out which dev was with which company, it'd be difficult to figure out which devs stayed and which ones went to join Vertex.

Earliest mention I see of em, a community showcase blog in April, so fairly recent I guess

Not too sure if it's even a splinter company actually. Their linkedin says it was founded in 2023. But we had no mention of em until a blog in April this year. So it seems like some existing studio that some guys from Arcade joined rather than those guys founding a new studio entirely

[languid kayak]

@naive imp I think there's on empty location here? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Taco_del_Pancho

[languid kayak]

Okay, I removed the old HC item images, if anyone still needs them, the most current ones are e.g., on the most current fork here: https://github.com/robotex140/Hydrocraft/tree/main/Contents/mods/Hydrocraft/media/textures – ours were never completed in the first place (4000+ items after all) and wasn't used so were cluttering https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:UnusedFiles which I'll be cleaning further 🙂

Speaking of Hydrocraft, I linked that fork as a potential update for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mods/Hydrocraft – there's also a semi-active Discord linked, seems they had set up their own wiki beside Undeniable one at one point, but the domain is dead now, so if for some reason turns out our could be repurposed, I'd say it's the way to go.

I also did minor changes to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Modding until we decide what to do with the mods, but like I mentioned several times, I don't mind sharing some of our wiki infrastrucutre for mods if anyone would want to, as long as it won't interfere too much 🙂

I wonder more about the Greenfire, this mod seems to be technically compatible with b41 but seems kind abandoned? https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/discussion/1703604612/2990917484136241418/?ctp=12#c4351121630177613057

Though the last update wasn't that far away as poster suggests: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/changelog/1703604612

Hard to say if/which any of these mods will see resurgence in b42 or die for good 🤔

Especially with the amount of stuff b42 adds

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mods/Greenfire

(there's also some unused icons from the mod)

[languid kayak]

not sure I agree with https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Louisville_Annotated_Maps&curid=50855&diff=402617&oldid=401795 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=March_Ridge_Annotated_Maps&curid=50859&diff=402619&oldid=384467 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Muldraugh_Annotated_Maps&curid=50861&diff=402621&oldid=384469 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=West_Point_Annotated_Maps&curid=50871&diff=402623&oldid=398773

These are definitely WIP/underconstruction and adding more page to improve/stub won't really help us much here?

[naive imp]

I was under the impression that {{wip}} was only for articles in active development. They've been abandoned for a month now while people take breaks.

It also says in the category for wip articles and the mbox itself to replace it with {{improve}} if not edited for a while

If anything when mid returns he'll get right on em anyway

That's what he was working on before so I personally don't see the harm in it, but like all things discussion matters 😀

[languid kayak]

yeah, we had things sitting on {{wip}} for I think years previously lol. Indeed we have a vague ''reasonable amount of time'' in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:WIP_articles 😄

[digital helm]

Yeah, wip is for things under active development. If they're abandoned, it should be replaced with improve or another relevant notice.

[digital helm]

Glad to see them gone tbh. Thanks!

[digital helm]

As mentioned separately, I'm just concerned readers won't be able to distinguish whether something is part of a mod or the base game. They'll frequently ignore mboxes and just scroll to the content.
A separate 'Mod' namespace might help with that.
Also, as we've seen with mods previously, they tend to get abandoned then become our problem to figure out what to do with them

[languid kayak]

not sure they are abandoned but Mid is definitely on a break now 😄 They are stubs pretty much with placeholders

[languid kayak]

I'll throw the idea for a namespace to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Modding – hard to find anyone remotely interesting in both the modding or taking care of the mods 😄 I still am thinking about sorting out the subpages of script guides and so on and linking them to infoboxes too. Those are the last two areas using subpages.

I also wonder, having Mod: namespace would probably prevent them from popping in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:RandomRootpage ?

oh nvm, it's https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Random that's wrong. We should take a look whether it's possible to change that to RandomRootpage in Citizen?

(the dice icon)

@naive imp I'm continuing cleaning unused files; will https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:SweetPea.png be needed? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sweet_Pea_Restaurant has multi location which doesn't support interiors, unless we want a gallery on those pages? (I think it was discussed briefly)

Also not sure about this one https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:LSRS.png

[digital helm]

I changed it fairly recently to change based on language of current page, rather than always English https://pzwiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Randompage-url
It's not perfect, as it includes all namespaces (maybe even categories?). I need to add a check so it only goes to the main namespace. It used to just be Special:RandomRootpage

[languid kayak]

yeah, I realized the one built-in to search bar in Citizen is not adjusted though

not sure if we can do that ourselves or should we make an issue upstream for that

[digital helm]

hmm... I never noticed that 🤔 not sure how to change that one

[languid kayak]

I've been thinking of splitting non-ingame logos from the in-game ones in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Logos to have them split

Like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:TIS_logo.png is currently there

Are we gonnachange the name of category or just move out the relevant images out of there?

Some of the logos are in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Wiki_admin_images already too

[digital helm]

I would want to move the business/location logos out and into a subcategory. I'd do this by moving everything into that category with a bot, then manually move the non-business/location logos out and back into logos (a lot less manual work)

[languid kayak]

For now I created a https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Company_logos as a stopgap for TIS and other ones out of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:UncategorizedFiles

cleaning that up a little too 😉

[digital helm]

This is good too

[naive imp]

If it's unused then yeah feel free to delete. I briefly thought about adding galleries to those pages but I decided against it due to the fact they can just click on the coordinates in the template

[naive imp]

Stands for Liquorty-Split RiverSide. Basic name scheme I came up with while doing the majority of location pages.

Basically Name of business and then the Town. I.e. WARLV means Wok And Rolls LouisVille

If it's unused feel free to delete, I don't like unused files either lol

That's why I mark so much shit for deletion 😀

[naive imp]

I'm all for a Mod namespace. I don't think mods fit into the main namespace either

(Oooh look at me with my WikiText knowledge lol)

I've been trying to learn a bit more if you guys haven't noticed 😆

[lucid junco]

I still cant get over the SUS RS

[naive imp]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-leave-me-alone-leave-me-alone-meme-gif-6420351794930725971

[lucid junco]

I personally think that interior shot of the location that has logo/name is a bit pointless

[languid kayak]

it kinda duplicates what's on the map, now that Think mentioned that users could click on coords; sure, it requires leaving pzwiki though, so depends on the usecase, that might not be convenient

One issue I have with the pzmap and wiki interiors though is that you can't see what's next to a wall sadly 😩

[languid kayak]

I refreshed the Steam, GOG and Desura pages, I'll probably categorize the card/background/emote images and add appropriate emotes to the respective item pages, but I'm considering whether we need the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Steam#Gallery at all?

It currently has

• an icon that's indeed there, but I'm not sure if it's a Steam exclusive or is it shipped with GOG as well?
• Two screens of installing Project Zomboid (serve points, but not sure we need it?)
• Turning Steam at start up (matter of preference really)
  The terms of servive and world converting are not unique for Steam either IIRC.

Thoughts?

Also, if anyone want to add or fix something on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/GOG or https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Desura feel free to – for GOG I'd have to take a look how IWBUMS works and for Desura I could add the proper logo (the one we have on wiki is really old; we don't have the new one too)

@lucid junco do you have plans on straigthening these ones?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Beever's_live_music_sign_logo.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Loans_cash_jewelry_pawn_shop_sign.png and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Loans_cash_jewlery_pawn_shop_2.png (the same logo)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:West_maple_country_club_logo_2.png and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:West_maple_country_club_logo_3.png

Seems these are the only ones that are not straighened but similar others are (these are used just in galleries, but still)

[lucid junco]

And the Louisville club one

And Oasis one

Unless they are already

Though no probably?

Egh, dunno

Wasn't planning to do it due to them being generic/ non important

But it isn't too hard

[lucid junco]

Maybe when I'm back from Greece

[languid kayak]

sure, np 🙂

[languid kayak]

And these two? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Dotty4Donuts_Riverside.png https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Dotty4Donuts_Riverside_interior.png

First one seems to be duplicate of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:D4D_RS.png

[languid kayak]

I wonder if this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Stairs_Piece.png is worth using in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wood_Stairs ?

[digital helm]

A lot of the screenshots seem a bit pointless. The icon could be re-uploaded as the ico file (converted to PNG) instead of a screenshot. But yeah, I don't think it's exclusive to Steam.
The installing ones seem a bit pointless.
Instructions for nosteam are fine. Could be nearer though.

[proud cobalt]

Change ==Distribution== to ==Location== Task should now be complete

[digital helm]

Thank you

[serene sage]

well, now that school is over for me (for now), I’m slowly returning to working on the wiki more frequently

anyway while go over the article for b42 I’ve noticed it used this image to apparently show the new fishing minigame: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Fishing_Minigame.png

meanwhile there’s literally no fishing at all in the image

not even a body of water

[languid kayak]

The instructions aren't for nosteam though, as in launching without Steam, just making the Steam stopping running when PC is on. THough maybe they could be repurposed with performance options I believe we have in FAQ?

I know most folks are on Steam, but I guess GOG folks could use some acknolegment at least and in general pages we shouldn't assume everyone's on Steam either 😛

Here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Disable_the_Steam_overlay

the whole FAQ should be Steam-agnostic if possible 😛

[languid kayak]

Yeah, seems it's just a YouTube preview

but the screencapped bit can be indeed better 🤔

[languid kayak]

Which times nice with me still marking your maps as WIP back again yesterday in case you want to get back to them 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:WIP_articles

I guess these two should be categorized as logos?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Billboard_advertising_Egenerex.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Billboard_advertising_NNN.png

Since we have https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Annesia_perfume_for_her_billboard.png and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Slurp_Burp_Logo.png in there?

Or do we want another category for it?

[lucid junco]

Dont forget spiffo ones

And maybe car/ trailer ones too?

[digital helm]

It's a screenshot from the start of the video. Pretty sure it originally linked to the video when clicked

[languid kayak]

Thanks! You think having them grouped together with logos you straighened or should they be in different categories? Though right now in that category there are other logos anyway, like the town logos on the maps

[digital helm]

tbh, I glossed over it on my phone, assumed it was for the nosteam parameter

[lucid junco]

Dunno, maybe create a sub category for them

Could be useful for b42 since Im sure there will be ads in newspapers

[languid kayak]

Well, the Kentucky Herald is from teased b42 content

[languid kayak]

These are from vehicles?

as https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Annesia_perfume_for_her_billboard.png had to be straigthened for example 🤔

[lucid junco]

Then I think "Advertisements" subcategory can be made

Then all adverts, from billboards, advert trailers, newspapers etc can go there

[languid kayak]

maybe we should just retire "logos" or just use it as an umbrella category and have "signs" and "adverts" inside? Something to rethink I guess? Pinging @digital helm for that too 🤔

[digital helm]

Yeah I'm happy with that. Pretty much how I imagined it after we starting getting more business logos

[lucid junco]

Sounds reasonable

[languid kayak]

I'll take a look later, no ETA when though, mght not be today or later today 😛

so if anyone want to beat me to it, feel free to 🙂

[woven portal]

hey guys

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sheet_Rope

says here you need 2 sheet ropes per level to make an escape rope

just tested with a 3 floor building and 3 ropes, its 1 per floor

can someone please fix?

[robust latch]

You are welcome to create an account and fix that mistake, we could use some help! Seriously please, help

[chilly monolith]

is it one rope per floor or one rope per floor plus one?

[woven portal]

1 per floor including the one youre standing on

so if youre on the 3rd floor

you need 3 ropes

[chilly monolith]

made the change!

let me know if the way i phrased that was awkward. i wanted to highlight the fact that it includes the level you're on but also that it's only one sheet rope per level

[woven portal]

was gonna say someone JUST changed it lol

made my account and everything

[chilly monolith]

haha, just beat you to it

[woven portal]

got to the edit bit and its changed lol

and yeah i think it reads fine

i was gonna write the same thing

[chilly monolith]

cool cool

[woven portal]

wait did you edit this too or was this here previously

[chilly monolith]

lol i didn't touch that

pretty funny though

i guess whoever originally wrote the other part just rappelled down one floor, saw that it used two sheet ropes, and extrapolated from there

[woven portal]

yeah sounds about right

[languid kayak]

I don't think the tweets linked at https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Knox_Event&curid=11388&diff=405991&oldid=399805 are meant to be interpretated as they happened in-game? Pinging @robust latch for that; can ask Pat to make sure I guess, but I believe those tweets were adressed to players, not the world

Also https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Knox_Event&curid=47901&diff=405993&oldid=361379

Seems we got some new info with handy maps from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jecowa in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Player_spawning https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Spawning – I wonder if it'd be better to move the maps to respective pages? Pinging @naive imp for that:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Muldraugh#Starting_locations
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Riverside#Starting_locations (this lacks table)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Rosewood#Starting_locations
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/West_Point#Starting_locations (entirely missing)

Though I guess some of the generic info could be left, wouldn't it better to name the page starting locations? Also not sure if spawning is needed as disambig page?

The generic page could tackle spawning at safehouse, too

in multiplayer servers

[digital helm]

The 2023 one? Yeah... that shouldn't be there. It's just to provide more lore and details about the outbreak, almost as if twitter existed at the time, or it was happening today. It was inspired by this twitter account https://twitter.com/1996ID4 (or a similar one?). It's for the player's, not happening in-world July 2023

ID4 in Real Time (@1996ID4) on X

Tweeting the sights, sounds, & news from 1996's historic alien attack & subsequent global (read: American) military response in real time. #IndependenceDay #ID4

Twitter

[digital helm]

Awesome stuff! It's a fair bit of work adding this

I prefer starting locations too. Not sure a disambig page is needed either, but doesn't hurt having it.

[tulip kiln]

Yeah I don't think the Knox Event twitter was canonically someone recalling the outbreak. Just something to provide more lore.

That and I don't think it needs to be said that humanity won. It's already obvious that humanity will survive, just that your characters won't live to see humanity recover.

[robust latch]

I agree, this was adressed to players, has no intrinsic lore value

[languid kayak]

yeah, removed that and replied to the person, hope they undestand 🙂

i se you replied too, good 😄

[robust latch]

yes we need new soldiers, unstable can come out any second

[lucid junco]

No way, they made Jimmy's business in irl

Jimmy's fish

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Jimmy's

[languid kayak]

Zomboid is the real life 👀

btw @digital helm I guess we can remove that now? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Bleach_SuicideSpawn.jpg

Outdated and we have survivor stories covering it now 😄

I removed it in https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Bleach&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=406141&oldid=402997 though it's linked elswhere too

[digital helm]

yeah, happy for it to go

[digital helm]

removed it

[naive imp]

I'm working through it. I'm going to standardize the format and then move the spawn locations to dedicated sections for now, getting all locations up to date takes priority over spawn locations

(Unless someone wants to take them up as a side project)

A lot of the stuff they added is useful info bit just needs cleanups

[naive imp]

@languid kayak just cleaned em up now, but I'm going to leave the player spawning page for later unless you or someone else wants to tackle it 😀

[languid kayak]

I prefer the "starting location" naming, though spawn term might indeed be known too

[naive imp]

They're still under starting location

Saying I moved the ones he added as "spawn points" to "starting location"

[woven portal]

how do i copy an entire page if i just wanna translate it

was looking at for example crafted fishing rods in ru

[lucid junco]

Just edit it and ctrlc ctrlv

At least I did it this way

[woven portal]

hmm aight

[naive imp]

Yeah just copy paste it into the text editor

[robust latch]

@lucid junco, https://pzwiki.net/wiki/ARRA_Pitch this does have some "Russian Lore", I did my best but if you want to add&remove&edit something go for it

Also too lengthy names are causing issues in transcript template, so I had to go with Ivan instead of Ivan Strugatsky.

[lucid junco]

Doesn't ring a bell for me, looks like a take on banditism and business bandits that were on rise during the post Soviet 90s

Maybe when I take a look at it back in my apartments it will make more sense

[robust latch]

Alright

[woven portal]

May just be a reference to them without any specific ties

[lucid junco]

I thought that it was a reference to MMM at first glance (the first financial pyramid in post Soviet countries)

But I dont think so

[woven portal]

I obviously dont knit enough cause i didnt even know this was a word for anything other than a split

[lucid junco]

Maybe we should read a bit about it on wiki :p

90s was already ages ago

[woven portal]

made my first actual wiki correction that i didnt relegate to someone else 😎

also just realised the rest of the changes are in english

lmao

lemme fix that

making a mess of that page with my undo and redo damn

[woven portal]

alright, done. did it for practice and most is really copy pasted from the main page with some edits specific to the crafted rod. Seems like the main wiki page did the same thing though lol, so not sure how accurate the stats are since I used the english page as base

@lucid junco have a look and see if I missed anything

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fishing_Rod_(crafted)/ru

also how do I change this

[naive imp]

Don't worry about it too much. It happens. Wiki editing is a learning curve, you'll get it down no problem.

[lucid junco]

Issues:
Одна из Прочностей красная и не ведет к Навыкам
Issues not directly related:
Condition table isnt translated
Crafting menu isnt translated
Page version isn't translated

They arent directly related since they are part of the core vidgets, so have to be translated separately

[woven portal]

Прочность didnt go to навыки on the og fishing rod ru page either

so i didnt think there is a page existing for it

any hyperlinks are taken from the direct ru page I just translated them to fit the crafted rod one

idk how to hyperlink yet so lol

[lucid junco]

Because it wasnt a link in og

Two others were, but this one didn't

[woven portal]

Удочка имеет максимальную прочность 3, а скорость её износа зависит от навыков [[Skills/ru|длинного дробящего оружия]] и [[Skills/ru|прочности]]. Шанс потери [[Durability/ru|прочности]] можно упростить до следующей формулы: <code>1 в (1 + maintenanceMod × 2)</code>, где "maintenanceMod" рассчитывается на основе на навыков прочности и длинного дробящего оружия.
Ниже приведён пример шанса потери прочности на разных уровнях навыков [[Skills/ru|прочности]] и [[Skills/ru|длинного дробящего оружия]].
{{Durability weapon|1|3|skill=Long blunt}}

i took it direct

this is from the non crafted fishing page

[lucid junco]

Also, I have some issues with how infobox is translated, but again, its not directly related to your translation

[woven portal]

i need some russian practice, having lived in the uk for 10 years my russian has gotten worse than my english

[lucid junco]

Ooh, I see

[woven portal]

so I'll prolly do some work on other missing pages at some point

[lucid junco]

Удочка — это инструмент, используемый в рыболовстве и самодельное оружие.
Uhh.. Thats doesn't sound quite right

[woven portal]

{{About|появляющейся в мире, не самодельной удочке|самодельной удочки|Fishing Rod (crafted)/ru}}
'''Удочка''' — это инструмент, используемый в [[Fishing/ru|рыболовстве]] и самодельное [[Weapons/ru|оружие]].

OG page again lol

[lucid junco]

A fishing rod is a crafted fishing tool and a makeshift weapon.
Удочка - это инструмент, который можно использовать для рыболовки, или в качестве самодельного оружия.

Translation wise

[woven portal]

i fixed what grammatical errors were relevant to my page

I only changed what was needed so I skim read the rest 🤷‍♂️

whoever translated the non crafted page got the grammar wrong lol

worth changing on both pages in that case

[lucid junco]

Can you change it? Im not gonna be able to do anything on wiki till next Sunday

[woven portal]

sure

got the pages up rn anyway

[woven portal]

note that its hyperlinked though

'''Удочка''' — это инструмент, используемый в [[Fishing/ru|рыболовстве]] и самодельное [[Weapons/ru|оружие]].

so Удочка - это инструмент, который можно использовать в [[Fishing/ru|рыболовстве]], или как самодельное [[Weapons/ru|оружие]]

is good enough i think?

unless you can change the link otherwise

idk how it works

[lucid junco]

Forgot the '''

But yeah its basically the same

[woven portal]

Удочка - это инструмент, который можно использовать в [[Fishing/ru|рыболовстве]], или как самодельное [[Weapons/ru|оружие]].

im gonna change it to this then

to keep the hyperlinks

that right?

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-is-dead-spy-engineer-correct-right-gif-26313261

[woven portal]

ah ffs

forgot the '''

[languid kayak]

No real rules about the edit messages, I guess I prefer English, but it's not really enforced

[naive imp]

@languid kayak @digital helm very minor nit but I've been going through site maintenance and the original NoticeBox template is still in there lol

Very very minor but I figured I'd mention it

Been superceded my mboxes for like ever lol

[digital helm]

Yeah, have been slowly working through it. Just needs the old documentation removed first

[digital helm]

Wasn't actually that much left using it... so NoticeBox is removed now 🎉
Just need to remove the rest of the templates using /doc so we can move Documentation/sandbox to Documentation https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere?target=Template%3ADocumentation&namespace=&hidelinks=1&hideredirs=1

[languid kayak]

Okay, <@&1205891296565268520> – first Sunday of the month marks a monthly summary, so here it is https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:News#June_2024_summary – while lazier month than others, we even got nasKo to contribute this month 😛

[earnest canopy]

I saw what you deleted.

[woven portal]

Yet the page for sir twiggy still says he can presumably be found ingame

[languid kayak]

clarified 👌

[soft coral]

https://tenor.com/view/annoying-who-pinged-me-angry-gif-14512411

wait shit it was wiki editor

false alarm

[loud anvil]

who is sir twiggy lol

[woven portal]

if only there was a page of some sorts that explains it... maybe even a wiki page perhaps

[languid kayak]

Owner of Twiggy's bar 😛 (named after a content creator, see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Easter_eggs too)

[narrow parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/undertaker-coffin-rise-who-pinged-me-coffin-rise-gif-19406995

[languid kayak]

I wonder what's https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Location_military_generic_01_16%2B17.png as it's different from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Army_Property_Sign 🤔 Anyone have an idea?

Also @lucid junco and @naive imp any idea whether we should put https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Offices_logo.png and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Snacks_stall_logo.png + https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Restrooms_stalls_logo.png somewhere? These are currently unused

[proud cobalt]

Louisville ready prep has one of each, can't send a coords link on mobile. Just north east of the refinery

[languid kayak]

@naive imp this is a list of the currently unused location screenshots, not sure I'll go one-by-one of them, so just in case you want to, here they are. Just evaluate whether they are needed anymore, and if not, mark them for deletion, I'll go through them later then – or just add to pages so they don't appear in unused files

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Cafe_law1.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Cafe_law2.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Wash_RS.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Church_MR.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Awl_work_and_sew_play.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Fire_Department.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Hugo_Plush_stand_alone_building_2.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Hugo_Plush.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Seat_Yourself_Furniture.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Riverside_Time_4_Sport.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Riverside_Seat_Yourself_Furniture.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Riverside_Hugo_Plush.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:West_Point_School.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Palm_travel_in_mall.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Expresso_espress_in_mall.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Hair_o_genesis_in_mall.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Lectromax_manufacturing.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Knox_Bank_south.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:UR_RS1.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Ameriglobe.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Screenshot_2023-10-30_1.47.35_PM.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Gas_2_Go_Doe_Valley.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Diner_doe_valley.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Rosewood_construction.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Doe_Valley_laundromat.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Gas_station_laundromat.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Dixie_Coin-Op.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Muldraugh_Coin-Op_laundromat.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Fallas_Lake_laundromat.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Rosewood_laundromat.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:March_Ridge_laundromat.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Riverside_second_laundromat.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:West_point_Fossoil.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Camp_busy_beaver_with_picnic_tables.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:St_michaels_full_property_across_street_from_cafe_ole_and_high_street_apartments.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:TheGoodBook_FallasLake_Interior.png

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:CampBusyBeaver_interior1.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:CampBusyBeaver_interior2.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Snacks_restaurant_louisville.png

And a few more:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:School.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Dotty4Donuts_Riverside_interior.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Dotty4Donuts_Riverside.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Louisville_general_hospital_exterior.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Grand_ohio_exterior.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Screenshot_2023-02-02_224649.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Screenshot_2023-02-02_224632.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Screenshot_2023-02-02_224614.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Screenshot_2023-02-02_223719.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:AllYouCanEatBuffet_Muldraugh.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:PileOCrepe_Muldraugh_interior.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:PileOCrepe_Muldraugh.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Autoexterior2.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:GigaMART.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Rosewood_GigaMart.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:GigaMart_WP.jpg
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:House_OneStory_Muldraugh_E.png

[languid kayak]

Seems they both are different items; the long one is the Property Sign, the small one is Army Property Sign

I reflected that in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Army_Property_Sign and removed the redirect for now

[lucid junco]

Snacks&restroom were meant to go to the "stalls" page, which is still not even in the making
"Offices" was planned to be added to Offices page in CL. I thought about creating a different pages for both but thinkdock said to put them in one.

[languid kayak]

Do we have the latter? (Central LV Offices page)

All of them can wait though, just so they won't be forgotten 😛

[lucid junco]

Its Offices (LSU campus) I believe

[languid kayak]

Isn't that a different logo though? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Offices_(LSU_Campus)

[lucid junco]

It is, but thinkdock said that they can go into the same page

[proud cobalt]

Interesting

[lucid junco]

They have same name, are not that far from each other, and arent some important/distinct business

We couldn't name them both properly since they were close to each other and had bo distinct landmarks, so combining them into one is a compromise

[languid kayak]

makes sense I guess, though I think having two pages wouldn't hurt that much either? Do you have the coords for the second one? I can't find it at glance 🤔

[lucid junco]

https://map.projectzomboid.com/#12781x1711x11979

[languid kayak]

They are quite far from each other tbh, though I agree hard to call it part of a franchise; OTOH we have all the clothing stores and shops that don't have signs for one reason or another, so maybe they should have separate pages too? Pinging @naive imp for opinion again?

second location is https://map.projectzomboid.com/#12482x1970 btw

[lucid junco]

Im fine with separate pages, my main issue was lack of landmarks to name them, since they both are Offices (Central Louisville)

[languid kayak]

can separate them further, like central lousiville - north then

[languid kayak]

Okay, I'm slowly getting to categorizing images to hopefully have them all sorted like I said in the blog post and following my discussion earlier, how do you guys think the straigtehend logos category should be called? It'd be under https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Logos and should I simply call it "Category:Sign images"? Or something like "Category:Sign images (straigthened)" or "Category:Straightened sign images"?

I think "Sign images" would be enough and another subcategory would be "Billboards" I guess, the only "problem" I could see is whether the unstraigthened versions (for movables tiles) would be mixed with them?

Pinging @lucid junco and @digital helm for opinions, but as always, anyone's free to respond 😛

[lucid junco]

Maybe Category Sign images and 3 sub categories

• Signs straightened
• Signs original(?)
• Billboards

[languid kayak]

Also no idea where to categorize https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Steam images (cards, backgrounds, emotes), should I make three categories or put it into one?

• Steam images
  vs
• Steam trading cards
• Steam badges
• Steam emoticons
• Steam backgrounds
  Keep in mind the Spiffo ones are classified as Spiffo images too.

[languid kayak]

The signs original depends how many signs we'll cover 😄 I guess we'll only cover the movable ones, so just the ones that can be picked and moved 😛

[lucid junco]

I think it will become just another dump of images(signs)

Though billboards definitely wont be in it, since they aren't movable, nor useful angled

And there will be no logos from outside of the game, I believe they were in the same category

But it won't help out with trailer/vehicle adverts, since they would either go to straightened, or another category all together

[languid kayak]

This category is really vague too
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:People_images
I guess it could be more detailed, as it's supposed to only consists TIS team photos, not everyone's photos, we have e.g. someone's unrelated photo on talk page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Renmar_Arnejo.jpg

Then there's some other TIS things that I don't know where to cover like:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Fox_Chaotica_Profile_Pic.png

or things from previous works:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:The_Forgotten_Element_cover.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:TFE_9.png

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:PAWS_Logo.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:PAWS_Friends.jpg
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:PAWSScreenSmall.jpg

I want to have category for user images too, though some devs are also editors 😄

[languid kayak]

I moved the company logos to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Company_logos which is a subcategory of Logos.

There are more logos though (PAWS, Forgotten Element or logos for platforms such as Desura, Steam, GOG and Humble (the X/Reddit/Facebook/Twitch logos are just part of the interface)

Also not sure what to do with these:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:US_31W.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Seal.png

[tulip kiln]

With the company logos, shouldn't we include the current TIS logo and label the one on there as an old logo?

[languid kayak]

the old logo is labeled, but I just realized I made a typo for this to categorize 😄

It was in the "Category:Company Logos" (uppercase L), non-existing category 😛

[tulip kiln]

Also with the President seal logo, maybe make a ingame government category logos/signs?

[languid kayak]

About these, I guess I can dump them as logos once straightened ones are in their subcaegory too

[tulip kiln]

Because I'd imagine Kentucky State Prison is part of the government so that'd also fit in that category.

Or just an "other" category for stuff that doesn't fit into the main ones

[languid kayak]

Not sure how many we'll get… I want to have separate category for newspaper logos for build 42 too

we actually have the kentucky herald there

[tulip kiln]

Maybe they'd just fit in a misc one then if there's not too many to have a category for.

[languid kayak]

Well, so far just these two plus platforms (Desura, Steam, GOG, Humble doesn't even have a page and not sure it's needed)

[tulip kiln]

Also dunno if this is a good idea or not, but maybe with the newspapers, we make a category for just "News/media"

[languid kayak]

the logos are used in the respective pages + userboxes

[tulip kiln]

So you put the news stations/radio station logos in that category too

[languid kayak]

I would like to have straigthened logos from Sharpgolden separate from anything else though 😄 Makes future mainteneance easier

[tulip kiln]

Oh yeah I dunno if anyone agrees with this or not but when 42 does come out, should we put a decent-sized banner on the main page warning people that a significant amount of pages have changed or are subject to change soon?

dunno if we did that with 41 or not

[woven portal]

yeah pages not updated to 41.78.16 had a disclaimer for example, but for the majority of b41 iwbums i dont remember seeing an indicator

but also the wiki was in a m,uch worse state

[lucid junco]

Just create a large "Sharpgolden" category/j

[languid kayak]

Oh and there's taxi adverts too. I think decals could be subcategory of logos, might as well do it now, since it's easy

And I'm just always confused

this is billboard (angled): https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Annesia_perfume_for_her_billboard.png

This is also billboard, was it angled originally? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Billboard_advertising_Egenerex.png

I guess I should study the files you shared to grasp all the logos you did 😄

Some are recreated too, I had a brief discussion with Vaileasys about these, but we came to no conclusion 😄

[lucid junco]

If by "originally" you mean "in game files" then they were angled

[languid kayak]

and the ones on taxis?

[lucid junco]

But if you mean "originally uploaded" - then almost no billboards were uploaded on wiki before

[lucid junco]

Straight thankfully

They are part of the vehicle texture

[languid kayak]

Can group the taxi ones for now then, as if we'd get more in the future we can straight up dump them 😛

Well, maybe not so straight but with less effort for sure 😄

[lucid junco]

Trailer adverts were also part of the trailer texture

So they were already straight

In game files

As a png

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Cross_roads_mall.png and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Crossroads_mall_logo.png

as well as https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Twiggy's.png and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Twiggy's_logo.png

And the old versions of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Fossoil_logo.png and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Gas2Go_logo.png

(these were the recreated ones, oh and not sure about Pohly's Hit Vids)

[lucid junco]

I didn't bothered, but there is also an unused spiffos advert instead of wok&rolls

[lucid junco]

There is a bit of a dilemma with both gas2go and fossoil

Their logos have extra bits after and before the logo

And Im not sure wether we should include them or not

[languid kayak]

Will create category for table stories later too https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:TablestoryBreakfast.png but gotta go now so will think of it later 🙂

[digital helm]

I'm happy with Sign images. We don't need to be too picky with it, so long as it's clear enough

[robust latch]

We are going to need someone with good Music knowledge to approach most of the CD's otherwise the only context I can add to those will be like "Yeah this is a Pop song, this is a poem, this is a rock song". Most of them dont really have a direct lore&Project Zomboid reference. In any case I am worried CD'S will become too plain but that just might be their inevitable fate.

Maybe someone with keen understanding of Music that mayhaps nitpick a trivia information out of these CD's, IDK.

[digital helm]

We had a testing mbox, but I don't think many people used it, but also b41 quickly became the version everyone was playing. So scrapped it and just carried on with updating to b41.

The current page version mbox that's on every page will change based on the version number. If it's b42, it'll indicate that the page has been updated to an unstable/beta version. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Page_version#Example

[digital helm]

Could also ask Pat for help. He wrote most if not all the CD and VHS

I'm awful with recognising music just from the lyrics even when they're the right lyrics

[robust latch]

I will hereby consult to him then.

[robust latch]

@thin cloud, if you could help us with mining information out of CD's. See https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sarcastic, or https://pzwiki.net/wiki/A_Boy_from_Kentucky for example. Thanks in advance.

[naive imp]

For now they can go in the same page. I'll expand on all the Unnamed businesses later after Louisville and Doe Valley are done

The logo is literally the same just a different color

I feel we're being too nitpicky on this one

[naive imp]

I should be able to go through them later tonight

[naive imp]

Snacks stall and restrooms can probably be deleted

[lucid junco]

@naive imp Are we going to add Jamieton as a small village/community in the Doe Valley?

[naive imp]

Eh I don't think so. Name is unconfirmed and it's too small

Might be just the name of the business

@languid kayak @digital helm opinion?

BTW the @Wiki Admin doesn't work

[languid kayak]

maybe, I just want it gone from being unused image 😄

[languid kayak]

would be nice for it to be set up, anything preventing @Wiki Admin on being pingable @vital raptor?

[thin cloud]

Not all music is a direct reference but a lot of it is. I won't spoil them though, that's no fun

[lucid junco]

What if we ask nicely? 🥺

[glad moat]

vaccinals

vaccinals · Jul 8, 2024, 9:57 PM

[digital helm]

I've never heard it referred to as Jamieton. It may well be named that, but I'd hold off until there's confirmation somewhere

[proud cobalt]

We're actually pretty prepared to get infoboxes, code boxes, Distributions, etc done automatically on day 1 which is really cool. Actual article content will have to be done manually

[lucid junco]

https://map.projectzomboid.com/#8931x10315x4742
@digital helm @languid kayak

There is a "Brian 💙" written on the map

Is this documented on the Easter eggs page?

https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/13i5ut9/did_anyone_else_found_this_here/

And also @quaint drift

[quaint drift]

o

[quaint drift]

it is documented btw, its just it isnt really that noticeable to have a picture for it

[lucid junco]

Oh well, still a nice find

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Robinson_Crusoe_-_Audio_Book
Hmm.. Robinson Crusoe..

Daniel Defoe...

What could it possibly reference?

[robust latch]

We will have to find that out for every CD unfortunately

VHS's isnt that bad because they are mostly either too plain or packed with PZ lore

But honouring CD's is going to be difficult, finding real world references and whatnot

[digital helm]

the joke is that this one is the literal novel in an audiobook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robinson_Crusoe

[robust latch]

I see

[lucid junco]

I think thats only for songs

[robust latch]

Yes

[lucid junco]

"Philosophical Quotes" have a name they reference

[robust latch]

Yes exactly

[lucid junco]

Moments in History aren't a references so to speak

[robust latch]

Mostly the music are going to be pain

[lucid junco]

And Audio books are just copies of exciting books

[languid kayak]

yes, it is

In the woods outside of Muldraugh and Rosewood, a message made out of dirt paths can be found. The message is a love heart with the name Brian. This is a reference to Brian Hicks, creative director of DayZ.

oh right, I see further convo. Can add a picture I guess yeah, but the link to the map is there

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/TDTOE
Churn R Us here

[robust latch]

CHURN R US IS EVERY FUCKING WHERE

:D.

Literally

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bauman_and_Triskel_(Pleistocene_Land)

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sunset_Drive

[quaint drift]

maybe chrun R us are some kind of large sponsor disguising as a ice cream company

[robust latch]

🕵️

[woven portal]

what does hands above your head mean

whats the toys r us slogan

[quaint drift]

maybe it means like, raising them as reaching to the skies, or maybe surrendering... key question is to who?

[woven portal]

yeah thats why im asking, is it a threat or something lol

[robust latch]

Only 300 recorded media left to edit guys

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Shows

Huh

Is this a reference to something?

[robust latch]

Yes that one is packed with PZ lroe

[lucid junco]

Im curious if Zachary Bunny is a reference to something

Along with other characters from Hug Bunnies

[robust latch]

@thin cloud , once you have asked here if there are problems with RecordedMedia;

RM_245d3f67-6a64-4d1c-9276-33f8224bbab4 = "Dog 4oblin: Zero Gravity"```

Dont think this is intentional?

[robust latch]

Nearly all of them are from unreleased "Paws" game to my understanding

[robust latch]

Dog Goblin IV: Zero Gravity ------------ Bottom one should be like this

[lucid junco]

Not really

Fluffyfoot the Fluffy Bunny
Is the only bunny in paws

[lucid junco]

@robust latch https://pzwiki.net/wiki/New_kitties!
Broken formatting

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Cities_of_the_World_-_Paris
French text is broken @robust latch

[robust latch]

Feel free to fix it ..?

[lucid junco]

Oh

[woven portal]

had to google what a soiree is

[naive imp]

Tf is that

[robust latch]

Broken letters? Can you elaborate?

[lucid junco]

I swear soiree had a broken letter in it.. Maybe im seeing things

😅

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Molly_june_30
Broken formatting then

[thin cloud]

Intentional. Dog 4oblin is the unofficial title, like Driv3r or Se7en

[thin cloud]

Uncultured swine! (I only know it because it's the cool suit you get near the start of Vice City)

[woven portal]

i fixed it

[lucid junco]

I thought I was going crazy already

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Final_Regards
Another one broken

[lucid junco]

That's it

[robust latch]

You dont have to share every single broken formatted article here, its an easy fix that you yourself can do, and has an mbox that literally says it can contain weird formatting. What you are doing is pointless.

[robust latch]

Also, no you didnt: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Molly_june_30&action=history

This https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Cities_of_the_World_-_Paris&action=history

[woven portal]

?

[robust latch]

You have said that you fixed https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Cities_of_the_World_-_Paris

[woven portal]

talking about the soiree part

[woven portal]

i responded that i fixed this

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Up_with_the_Joneses

sharp just deleted it cause he didnt realise i fixed it

[robust latch]

Now* it makes sense

[woven portal]

mhm

[robust latch]

Couldnt have known better myself because he deleted the original message, therefore i corellated that with one of the remaining links, but alas

[woven portal]

im googling Champs-Élysée and it gives me Champs-Élysées, which I'm sure is the right way to spell it but I think the original VHS might have had it written as alyzes or something? it doesnt even ahve an s at the end

[robust latch]

Champs-Élysée in the text file

[lucid junco]

Sorry for confusion 😅
I couldn't fix it myself since Im still on vacation and I don't have my account logged in my phone. And even if I could someone would still have to check it out in game files to be sure that, in case of broken letters, its only present in wiki.

And Ive deleted the "Up with the Jones" link since soiree was fixed the second time Ive looked at it, so I thought it wasn't broken in the first place and I had some weird browser bug. But It turns out Frogski had already fixed it

[languid kayak]

But 4oblin and Goblin IV at once? Usually the number is omitted, so the next installmnet should be Dog Goblin V which is what Ksilem meant I guess?

[digital helm]

Nah, they're the same item. VHS: Dog Goblin IV is the itemDisplayName and Dog 4oblin: Zero Gravity is the title

Maybe we should add this difference to the infobox 🤔 have the infobox title the itemDisplayName, then have a title, subtitle and author parameter

[proud cobalt]

Its as if the title was 2 fast 2 furious but everyone knows its Fast and furious 2 even though thats not the movies name

[digital helm]

Here's another example
display name: VHS: Dead Wrong S2.01
title: Dead Wrong: The Series
subtitle: S2.01 - Dead Day Afternoon

[languid kayak]

The text is also available on GitHub, too, which is handy too https://github.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations 🙂

(I guess it's this line, right? https://github.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/blob/master/EN/Recorded_Media_EN.txt#L4961)

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I think it'll be important with more medias we'll have. Seems the title is mainly for sorting (though with roman numbers I don't think they will sort alphabetically fine past IX?

[robust latch]

Dead Wrong: The Series S2.01 - Dead Day Afternoonis the name in "Training Materials", in the Info TAB.

And VHS: Dead Wrong S2.01is the item name, as can be seen in inventory

[digital helm]

Looks like they combine the title and subtitle for that then

[robust latch]

I am trying to come up with a solution about all these names

The subtitle is only present in recorded_media.lua file

Although now I am seeing this

RM_dd6c3ae8-eb57-4001-8b28-07494ffb1814 = "Dead Wrong: The Series"
RM_99700dbf-ef03-472d-9695-4d8f99e8c731 = "S2.01 - Dead Day Afternoon"```

in recordedmedia.en.txt

I wonder if we should swap the Infobox name and the article's title

For this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/The_Cook_Show_E1, the Infobox will be VHS: The Cook Show E1, and the article title is going to be The Cook Show Episode 1: Cake

Dead Wrong: The Series S2.01 - Dead Day Afternoon will be article's title, and VHS: Dead Wrong S2.01 witll be the Infobox item name. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Dead_Wrong_S2.01

If we are on board with this I will start applying changes

If I am not missing anythingelse this has to be the way to go

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Dead_Wrong_S2.02 -> Infobox item name = VHS: Dead Wrong S2.02 |||| Article title= Dead Wrong: The Series S2.02 - Dead First, Questions Later

[digital helm]

I think the infobox title and page title should both be the item's display name, as it is for every other item. We can add a parameter for title and subtitle

[robust latch]

But we all agreed that putting VHS: or CD: in front of every single recorded media isnt the way to go though

[digital helm]

true 🤔

The display name is what player's will see the most though, and therefore what they'll search for. So I think that at least needs to be the page name (omitting the VHS)

[robust latch]

ok then where are we going to use this Dead Wrong: The Series S2.01 - Dead Day Afternoon

You want the article title to be Dead Wrong S2.01 right?

[digital helm]

we could have a title and subtitle parameter in the infobox. Can leave them separate or concatenate them. Since that's all that Dead Wrong: The Series S2.01 - Dead Day Afternoon is title + subtitle

[robust latch]

title + subtitle is the value present in Training materials tab

[digital helm]

yeah, so would it be best to combine them then? In the infobox

[robust latch]

Yes, we shouldnt seperate them, atleast it will represent something thats already in the game

Only problem that might be of issue is, that its not "technically" the "item name"

That would be the displayname value, but I believe you suggest we make a compromise and ignore this?,

[digital helm]

I suggest using the display name as the page name, but (maybe?) remove VHS: , then also have that has the infobox name (maybe have it with the VHS?). Which I think we're doing now?
Then have a separate parameter in the infobox called title which combines the title and subtitle values from the game code, i.e. the name in Training Materials

So the only change would be a title parameter in the infobox, right?

probably confused us all with all the uses of title...

[robust latch]

Not at all, I understand you. The another change we would have to make would be changing infobox title as the infobox title is using title, which is fine we can simply change that.

Oh my god my english

Basically what you are suggesting is fine, adding a new infobox parameter display titleand subtitle, we will also have to change Infobox names, because they are representing VHS: titleatm and not display titleas we want.

{{Page version|41.78.16}}
{{Autogenerated|media}}
{{Infobox item
|name=VHS: %title%
|model=VHSBox3_Model.png
|model_width=200px
|category=Entertainment
|icon=Cassette3.png
|icon_name=VHS: %title%
|weight=0.1
|boredom_change=-5 per line
|item_id=Base.VHS_Home
|itemdisplayname=%itemDisplayName%
}}

'''%title%''' is a [[VHS]] providing some lore.``` To provide you context

[digital helm]

Think you misinterpreted me 😄 I'm suggesting have the name value the same as the page name. EDIT: with VHS:

[robust latch]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Dead_Wrong_S2.01&type=revision&diff=407543&oldid=403479, is what we want + the new parameter which will include titleand subtitle, which is= Dead Wrong: The Series S2.02 - Dead First, Questions Later just like in the training materials section

[digital helm]

yeah, that's what I'm suggesting

[robust latch]

Maybe even this for inital sentence? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Dead_Wrong_S2.01&diff=407545&oldid=407543

OK I mixed up 1 and 2 but you got the point

[digital helm]

I read that for dog goblin 4 and it confused me... I'd have it something like '''Dead Wrong S2.01''', titled '''Dead Wrong: The Series S2.02 - Dead First, Questions Later''', is a VHS providing some lore.

We do the same thing for other items that have multiple names, or previous names

[digital helm]

But Ep 1 name

[robust latch]

If you add the infobox param I can start doing 1-2 examples to really see If it works

Beceause cough its protected

[digital helm]

sorry 😩

[robust latch]

Its totalyy fine

[digital helm]

to be clear, we have a single title parameter, and we'll just manually combine the title and subtitle?

i.e. Training Material = title

[robust latch]

Let me send this first https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Dead_Wrong_S2.01&diff=407547&oldid=407545

[digital helm]

looks good, but with a comma after the "Afternoon"

here's an example of a 'previously' https://pzwiki.net/wiki/JS-2000_Shotgun

[robust latch]

Training Material =title subtitle , as far as I understand, Worst case I have the game open so I can add it by looking in game

[digital helm]

yeah, so I just have 1 parameter though?

[robust latch]

yes, and it shouldnt be collapsible I think

[robust latch]

I think thats an "optional" comma there? Maybe this is a language difference

Added the comma, though I dont think i will while translating, probably different rules applied

[digital helm]

probably a language thing? It's a non-restrictive clause, which gets surrounded by commas

A couple of examples.
This one it's in with the existing book related properties

Or this one, it's not in a section at all

[robust latch]

Second one but without "Author" would be the way to go I bet

[digital helm]

Don't want author? For audiobooks, etc.?

[robust latch]

We have 3 types of recorded media CD Retail VHS and Home VHS

only CD's ghave authors

and we have that information in back cover section of every cd article

[digital helm]

gotcha

Alternative @robust latch since we don't need author

shouold use media_title btw since title is used in the infobox template for the title, i.e. name

[robust latch]

Looks good. Just going to be this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Dead_Wrong_S2.01 + Dead Wrong: The Series - S2.01 - Dead Day Afternoon in the new media_title parameter spcae

[digital helm]

yeah

used that one as an example https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Dead_Wrong_S2.01

[robust latch]

I believe we got it, shouldnt confuse readers

This treatment is only going to be applied to the retail VHS's with seasons&episodes,

I will begin fixing today or tomorrow

[digital helm]

If anyone would like to learn more about weight gain (or just check my maths) I've gone in more depth with the calculations, and used equations that should be simpler to follow. Not sure if I went too deep or if the example is necessary. My main goal was something readers could actually follow and potentially use. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Nutrition#Gaining_weight

[robust latch]

I liked it. Cant wait to translate (!). 😄

Though shouldnt the △Weight = 0.000013 × 0.75 × 86400 = 0.84 weightgainfactor must be 0.000026 insteaf of 0.00013 because the fat+carbs=700

[digital helm]

fats and carbs aren't added. They're separate. If either are above 700 it's 0.000039, or above 400 is 0.000026

[robust latch]

OOh, its says "or" not "and"

ok

[digital helm]

tbh I read it that way too. Wasn't sure how to clarify

[flat sun]

this is definitely a nitpick, but i've always heard that the calorie burning difference between walking and jogging is so slight compared to the speed difference that walking actually burns more calories over the same distance, so technically walking doesn't help you gain weight, jogging does

[digital helm]

you're probably right. I didn't consider speed in the slightest 😄 anything exercise related though was there beforehand, just rewritten

[flat sun]

it's not something i've personally verified so it may be incorrect, but it's what i've always heard

it's surely unintended if true

[digital helm]

maybe I'll test it when I eventually look into weight loss more

[languid kayak]

I believe there was some video analyzing it, so yeah. I also thought of adding that bit of info to wiki (probably as a note or something)

It was one of the YouTube channels analyzing the mechanics in-depth, like Retanaru but I think it was a different person

btw, in case you guys didn't realize, I added https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Annotated_maps_images – I wonder, should I add maps here as well or should it be a separate (sub)category? E.g. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:LouisvilleStashMap16.png

I think stacking them in one category will do, and might do that anyway, better than leaving them uncategorized, but if you guys think we could use further separation, let me know. Pinging @ocean veldt for that too

@naive imp https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=File:Romero_Center_for_the_Performing_Arts.png is removed, you needed it free for a redirect, right?

[digital helm]

probably could've been 'map images' then 😄 but I think that'll do. Too much organisation can actually make it harder to find things. So sticking them together I think is good

[robust latch]

I think its good to seperate annotated maps and normal maps, normal maps will get lost inside 70~ annotated maps

[robust latch]

@languid kayak I see that you changed dialogue to dialog although I must admit, I only used monologue and dialogue so far in every VHS tape (25~). Does it harm to write that way?

[woven portal]

You will sometimes see 'dialog' described as the US English spelling of 'dialogue'. In practice, though, 'dialogue' is the standard spelling for a conversation in all English dialects, while 'dialog' is mostly used in relation to computers.

ive only used dialogue and i rarely see anyone use dialog

[robust latch]

I understand now, I believe he changed to display US English then, although I think dialogue is a better word.

[woven portal]

dialogue is more standard in both us and rest of the world yeah

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I'm still on the verge of categorizing icons because of that lol. Figuring out manually what's what isn't always some straighforward and frankly not to useful either I guess

[languid kayak]

I just think the dialogue is British English and dialog is the American term? https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dialog

but yeah, waht Frogski said, may not be that important 😄

[frail fossil]

Hi everyone, can someone suggest a mod or a way to finely adjust the loot spawn in the game for a server? I have my own game server and I would like to change the spawn of specific items. Starting from the amount that can spawn to their overall presence in the game.

[lucid junco]

We are wiki editors, we dont actually play pz

[woven portal]

yeah we do, we open debug mode

[frail fossil]

sorry bro

[lucid junco]

Ask it in #pz_b42_chat

[frail fossil]

thx

[digital helm]

Dialogue still seems to be the preferred spelling for US. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dialog

[woven portal]

and uk

[digital helm]

yeah, but the wiki is written in American English

[woven portal]

im just confirming its also the preferred term in the uk

as for the wiki being written in american english, is that a rule? and if so why

the game isnt american made, the terms are not that ambiguous going from british to american and vice versa, the players and contributers are all over the world

[digital helm]

it is a rule, and was requested by the devs as the game is based in the US

[woven portal]

really now, alright

[digital helm]

well... not a rule, more of a 'guide'

[woven portal]

funny considering the game itself has/had british terms instead of american lol

[digital helm]

Indeed, and something they've fixed over time

[languid kayak]

even better feel free to revert if not alrwady, elseI will 😛

and yeah there's en-uk translation in GitHub created during b41 but it sadly didn't make it (yet)

[woven portal]

it doesnt really matter anyway, who would go to a different part of the wiki just to get the u back in colour

[languid kayak]

yeah, the en-UK is a possibility but like really really low, Mediawiki supports it and the files are on GitHub and shipped with the game, but not used, see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Translations for details, there's two PRs one mine and one someone's else for zomboid on GitHub but they weren't merged https://github.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/pull/462 https://github.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/pull/547 and we'll see lots of new strings ayway for b42 😄

Other than that though, the game should technically be en-US now by default, so if there's some British terms in game, they are technically to be changed down the road

[languid kayak]

(reverted btw)

[digital helm]

Just tested it and seems you're right. Jogging burns less calories than walking over distance (even sprinting is slightly better). Walking is only beneficial for preserving calories over time, but I don't really see a situation where this would be helpful, since jogging would give you more time to find food.
Here's my findings
Calories burnt per second:

• Walking: 1.9 calories/sec
• Jogging: 3.2 calories/sec
• Sprinting: 4.1 calories/sec

Tiles per second:

• Walking: 2 tiles/sec
• Jogging: 3.8 tiles/sec
• Sprinting: 4.6 tiles/sec

Calories burnt per tile:

• Walking: 0.93 calories/tile
• Jogging: 0.84 calories/tile
• Sprinting: 0.91 calories/tile

This is 80 weight, and no injuries or status effects

[naive imp]

Done, thx

[robust latch]

Anyone has an idea what this might have been inspired of:https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Satin_and_Silk ?

[dense veldt]

What exactly do the recoil values on the wiki mean? It says "delay between shots" but how do the numbers work?

[robust latch]

The more recoil a gun has, the more time it will take for the player to have a better aim.

[dense veldt]

So it's not the delay between shots?

And what do the numbers even mean exactly?

[woven portal]

would probably make sense to reword it, cause the wording is confusing

the wording on the wiki i mean

cause yeah, delay between shots sounds more like rate of fire than accuracy reset

[digital helm]

it's the delay between shots, afaik, i.e. so a shotgun doesn't fire as quickly as an assault rifle. The numbers are just a modifier used by the game, like most of the other values, they don't mean anything on their own, just a way to compare with other weapons. Some info on this blog post under "weapon changes" https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2014/07/aiming-to-please/ and here's the parameter https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Scripts_guide/Item_Script_Parameters/RecoilDelay

Aiming time is the time it takes to aim https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Scripts_guide/Item_Script_Parameters/AimingTime

A modder might be able to confirm

[digital helm]

this does sound like it could be right though 🤔

[robust latch]

Thats how I understood it 🤷‍♂️

[digital helm]

Actually, with assault rifle having 0 recoil, I'd say it's got to be the time delay between shots https://pzwiki.net/wiki/M16_Assault_Rifle

[woven portal]

too much speculation to write anything on the wiki

someone gotta confirm it

@naive rock something you maybe know ?

[digital helm]

100% the time between shots. Just tested it

[woven portal]

so i suppose for guns with 0 recoil theres a minimum?

but anyway thanks for testing, it should be reworded id say

time is better than delay imo

less ambiguous

[digital helm]

I'm happy with time

[robust latch]

its how it is said in debug mode tho

[woven portal]

yeah but surely we want a human readable format for users

with less ambiguity

[robust latch]

hmm

[woven portal]

as we just saw, nobody was sure what delay actually meant

[robust latch]

We should put recoil somewhere nonethless maybe the highlight part

[woven portal]

the wiki is there to help users, not to just be a direct translation of ingame mechanics right

we can still call it recoil, just have time between shots in the description part

[robust latch]

have "time" or something else replace recoil and have the highlight contain recoil would be the way

[digital helm]

what do you mean by highlight?

I also wish we could have these values actually mean something. Having this in seconds would be convenient

[robust latch]

You want to replace recoil so it could be replaced with "Delay" and the highlight text can be: Recoil. Delay between shots

[woven portal]

the whole ambiguity issue started because of this phrasing though

put in time between shots

[woven portal]

maybe another collumn next to the raw values that translates them into seconds

[robust latch]

Okay but it wont be ambiguous if you apply the Delay change as you wanted to be displayed in front, no?

[woven portal]

wdym

i dont want it to be phrased as delay is my point

[robust latch]

What do you want it to be phrased as*

[woven portal]

Time between shots makes sense as its literally what it is

delay could mean more things like we had a confusion about earlier

delay between shots in accuracy reset? delay in time? delay in sound? whats the delay about

you get me

[digital helm]

Funny thing about all this is the tooltip description has only been there for maybe a couple of months. For years we just had 'Recoil' 😆

[robust latch]

I do. I didnt suggest delay to be put in there neither. Then have Time between shots to be displayed and Recoil. Delay between shots or Recoil to be highlighted might be the way

[woven portal]

I still dont really understand what you mean, sorry

I was thinking just replace delay with time in the highlight

[robust latch]

No It's on me my English isnt superb for the last 2 months, sometimes it happens

[digital helm]

I don't know what you mean by 'highlight'. You want to literally highlight the word? I don't like that

[robust latch]

Hence why I am not translating for a good while

All I am saying is

[digital helm]

I think changing Delay between shots to Time between shots would be enough 😄

[robust latch]

I agree with you we can change it to a reasonable parameter such as "Time between shots". And the highlighted text is going to be "Recoil"

I think this is simple enough?

Maybe I am using the word highlight wrong Wtf

Let me just double check

[woven portal]

i think what you said about translating it to seconds also makes sense, maybe have either an extra collumn or in brackets next to the default value

and time it manually i guess?

[digital helm]

I did some timing. But working with such short times, it's hard to do accurately.

D-E Pistol
30
1.1 seconds

M1911
25
0.7 seconds

JS-2000 Shotgun
50
1.6 seconds

[digital helm]

I was confused, but I get what you mean now

[digital helm]

template isn't made for more than 2 columns. I'd be happy with brackets though. Template could calculate it for us

[woven portal]

i guess an approximation is better than values that arent useful to people anyway

[robust latch]

    |{{tt|name=Infobox item|default=Recoil|arg1=recoil}}
    |tooltip={{tt|name=Infobox item|default=Time between shots|arg1=recoil_delay_tooltip}}
    |{{{recoil_delay|{{{recoil_mod|{{{recoil_delay_mod|}}}}}}}}}```
Replace recoil in here with whatever you want and replace time between shots ***TOOLTIP*** with Recoil

Was my suggestion

I am dying

[woven portal]

So have the Recoil replaced with Time between shots and the menu hover over is gonna be Recoil?

[digital helm]

ahhh, now I get you 😄
I think how it is now is fine

[woven portal]

yeah

[robust latch]

yes...

[lucid junco]

Recoil isnt affected by aiming lvl?

Since "draw" animation (animation of drawing a gun back after each shot) is affected

[woven portal]

easy to test, have a character at aim 0 lvl fire a shotgun repeatedly then do the same at 10

[digital helm]

In the files it suggests aiming level reduces recoilDelay by 2 each level. But I'd want to test it before adding

I think it was in IsoPlayer.class

[lucid junco]

I know that draw anim changes drastically from level 0 to 10, especially for bigger guns

Character actually tries to hold the weapon, and not flail his hands around

[languid kayak]

@autumn swallow where did you get the original Spiffo Plushies exactly from? I can't find the new one in similar dimensions and as png, so I'm wondering 🤔 Though the new one has a fancy net around as a background anyway (which I uploaded so far): https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Spiffo#Official_merchandise

Also, do you guys think that maybe more images from past campaigns be added or not? The original image only shows the plushie, not the details, plus the new one will come with stickers, too.

https://www.makeship.com/products/spiffo-plush
https://www.makeship.com/products/steadfast-spiffo-plush
https://www.makeship.com/products/spiffo-2-0-plushie

Oh, and do you think it's worth removing background from plushie images to make them transparent, or don't bother?

[robust latch]

I wouldn't bother

Okey but why do we have an advertisement on top of every page now

[proud cobalt]

@languid kayak Remove bg webp and png if you want to compress yourself

[robust latch]

I just realised this page is everything I could've hoped for: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Easter_eggs

[tulip kiln]

Pinged the wrong guy, I forgot what exactly I did. I think I just used snipping tool on the pic or some shit?

[languid kayak]

I addes a sitenotice but yeah, It's for every page without option to close... Can tske it off if it's too in the face, or make it smaller though it's just 17 days left and not much otherwisw happening in pz

[digital helm]

It's a pretty small notice compared to the others. We had the massive "Now on Steam!" one for 6 years with no issue 😄

[proud cobalt]

Technically not untrue!

[robust latch]

I suppose thats a fair point

Did we delete Fort Knox page?