mod_development

[drifting ore]

it's a fricking double it works automatically, how do you even screw this up?

[lost slate]

thanks

[dull moss]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[autumn pumice]

@fleet bridge

[fleet bridge]

Base.Crisps

[autumn pumice]

I tried it too, but it didnt worked same

[dull moss]

Is there a way to force getText() to use specific language?

[autumn pumice]

ye

[dull moss]

👀

[autumn pumice]

i can explain it in DM

[dull moss]

why not here? but sure

[autumn pumice]

whatever you want

[dull moss]

better here so other can find it later

[autumn pumice]

you need to use notepad++

[drifting ore]

holy frickin crap this is not OK. imagine thinking that this is the correct way to calculate modulo and deciding that you're qualified to make a Lua implementation.

On top of everythign else wrong with it, Java just has a modulo operator % defined for all basic types.

[autumn pumice]

if u do, then click right mouse here (UTF-8_

[dull moss]

??

You're talking about encoding

[autumn pumice]

sec

[dull moss]

I asked if I can force getText() to use specific language, it has onothing to do with file encoding

[autumn pumice]

it can have some errors

[dull moss]

self.labelColdIllnessSystem = ISLabel:new(barStartPosition - lineStartPosition, y, FONT_HGT_SMALL, getText("Sandbox_EvolvingTraitsWorld_ColdIllnessSystem"), self.btnTextColor.r, self.btnTextColor.g, self.btnTextColor.b, self.btnTextColor.a, UIFont.Small, false)```

this will always use game language or english if said string doesnt exsist in translation

Im asking how to force it to use english

[autumn pumice]

you mean translations or what?

cuz im stupid to understand

[dull moss]

do you know what getText() does?

[autumn pumice]

not much

[dull moss]

then you can't help much
I'm talking about coding here, not really translations

[autumn pumice]

ye i understand, i just cant understand what you talking about

i hope someone will help you

[dull moss]

getText() returns a string from tranlsation files

[autumn pumice]

ik

[dull moss]

I need to force it to use specific langauge

instead of game language

[dull moss]

^^^

[frank elbow]

getText will always return the string in the currently set language. The Translator class that backs it has all of the translations loaded into a set of maps. The only way I can think of that you could achieve this is by setting the language and triggering a load of all the translations, getting the string, and then setting the language back & triggering a load again

Which is, needless to say, a bit much 😅 What's your actual goal in doing this?

[dull moss]

oof

[frank elbow]

If you always want it to be the same string, why not hardcode it?

[dull moss]

I'm making UI and it's very clean in english but in other languages it's suffering so I was hoping to make a toggle to always have it in English

[frank elbow]

I have an alternative suggestion, if you're open to hearing it

[dull moss]

ofc

[frank elbow]

You can use MeasureStringX on TextManager to determine how much space the string will take up & dynamically resize as needed

getTextManager():MeasureStringX(UIFont.Small, text) (assuming that's UIFont.Small)

[dull moss]

ye it is

hm

lemme try to cook this

[frank elbow]

Best of luck

[drifting ore]

For a minute I thought that this was unfair because it's over a decade old github page and maybe PZ uses a better version. No, it uses over a decade old version. SMH TBH FAM

the best part is that all you need to do is to swap out int for long

[fleet bridge]

local function modulo(a, b)
return a - math.floor(a / b) * b
end

[drifting ore]

the issue here is that this implementation has a bug in its math routine

and I mean really, it's a double-precision floating point number. Why would one think that an integer would have sufficient capacity and/or accuracy to store the intermediate division result? It should be another double.

[fleet bridge]

-- % operator doesn't work with big numbers, confirm with 2^37%100 and 2^38%100

Not sure where it stops working but yea with big numbers it no work

[drifting ore]

it techically works, but the intermediate division result must fit in 32 bits

which is a bit of an issue when doubles have 53 bits of integer capacity

[fleet bridge]

That note was from belettes code iirc

For making a hash id for a zomb

[drifting ore]

well anyway I stumbled upon this bizzare bug in a very very edge case, it was silently working on the brink of failure to me

see, I was using the 53 bits of double's integer storage for spatial caching of tile coordinates

it's heck of a lot less resource-intensive than generating strings

and it worked fine because x and y each got less than 24 bits, well within bugged modulo capacity

but then I tried to use this spatially cached number as a source of cheap RNG, by taking a modulo by a prime number, and then I got these outlandish results because the resulting intermediate value had well over 32 bits of length and it was overflowing

Anyway I think my problem here can be solved by first taking the modulo by a 30-ish bit multiple of the prime, and then taking the modulo by the prime itself.

[bright fog]

If you knew how much shit is in PZ code.........

Oh boy prepare to get traumatized

[frank elbow]

Tbf Kahlua is at fault for that

[drifting ore]

game code gets a pass, it's not meant to be used by other people

[dull moss]

Hm, anyone knows how to solve this?

self.labelWeakStomach = ISLabel:new(barMidPosition, y, FONT_HGT_SMALL, getText("UI_EvolvingTraitsWorld_Minus") .. " " .. getText("UI_trait_WeakStomach"), self.defTextColor.r, self.defTextColor.g, self.defTextColor.b, self.defTextColor.a, UIFont.Small, true)
self.labelWeakStomach.center = true;
self.labelWeakStomach:setTooltip(getText("UI_EvolvingTraitsWorld_LooseTooltip"))
self:addMainGroup(self.labelWeakStomach)

I create label and make tooltip for it, but I also center it around the X, and it looks fine as intended but tooltip only appears in selected red area (I assume because that's the initial poistion of the label)

[bright fog]

Well yes but no

We modders constantly use that code, indirectly

And fucking hell are there quite the problems

[drifting ore]

modding is a privilege, not a right :^)

[sour island]

When you reposition it, I think you can also reposition the tooltip(?).

[dull moss]

hmm

I did something else

        str = getText("UI_EvolvingTraitsWorld_Minus") .. " " .. getText("UI_trait_pronetoillness")
        self.labelProneToIllness = ISLabel:new(barMidPosition - strLen(textManager, str)/2, y, FONT_HGT_SMALL, str, self.defTextColor.r, self.defTextColor.g, self.defTextColor.b, self.defTextColor.a, UIFont.Small, true)
        --self.labelProneToIllness.center = true;
        self.labelProneToIllness:setTooltip(getText("UI_EvolvingTraitsWorld_LooseTooltip"))
        self:addMainGroup(self.labelProneToIllness)

center it manually

works

[dull moss]

[frank elbow]

Nitpick: “Lose,” not “loose.” Either way, well done!

[compact tinsel]

Hello~
I have two questions regarding lua (but I'll start with one of them)
I have made 2 functions which's purpose it is to give exp

    player:getXp():AddXP(Perks.MetalWelding, 1);
end```

in the recipe I am calling upon the function like this:

```    recipe Make Hinges
    {
        SmallSheetMetal,
        Nails = 4,
        Screws = 16,
        BlowTorch = 1,
        keep [Recipe.GetItemTypes.Saw],
        keep BallPeenHammer,
        Result:Hinge = 4,
        Time:200.0,
        Category:Welding,
        SkillRequired:MetalWelding=4,
        Sound:WeldingNoise,
        OnGiveXP:Recipe.OnGiveXP.LegacyMetalWeldingEXP5,
        AnimNode:Craft,
    } ```

and I am getting the error that the function isn't found in the RecipeManager
I tried following the folder structure I've found for the give exp thing, which is: \media\lua\server

I am still quite new to PZ programming and very inexperienced to lua, maybe someone else has made a function to add exp and could give me a nudge in the right direction?

[dull moss]

omfg I renamed it to Loose recently from Lose

hate that word

[mellow frigate]

I guess you put the code client side while it must be server side. media/lua/server. juste like recipecode.lua

[compact tinsel]

it is on the server side of things, since I thought that's where it needs to go (due to finding the recipecode.lua in the server folder)

[mellow frigate]

another possibility (that would include red box errors) would be that you did not have Recipe.OnGiveXP table valid.

another possibility would be that LegacyMetalWeldingEXP5 is not defined, only LegacyMetalWeldingEXP1

[compact tinsel]

Both are defined, the command console spat out the following

[mellow frigate]

add at the start of your file: ```lua
require "recipecode"

or check the first error in your console.

[compact tinsel]

that one is... also in there, I'll try checking the first error

[mellow frigate]

if there is no error before the RecipeManager one, it may be that your definition is not loaded by the game. add temporarily a print in your file, reload the game and ensure your new print is visible in the logs.

[mental jackal]

hey folks! thanks for all the awesome mods you make!
I have a question tho - where can i find the code that deals with refrigeration and cooking of foodstuffs?

[compact tinsel]

just checked
the first error it gives is, that there is no such function

[frank elbow]

Food.java. There are a few relevant methods, but some particular ones of interest are update, updateTemperature, updateAge, and updateFreezing

[neon bronze]

if its still correct both the lua and the recipe, then you called your function LegacyMetalworking1 instead of 5

[mental jackal]

thanks a lot! im kinda new to this so would you mind kindly telling me where i can find food.java?

[compact tinsel]

    player:getXp():AddXP(Perks.MetalWelding, 1);
end

function Recipe.OnGiveXP.LegacyMetalWeldingEXP5(recipe, ingredients, result, player)
    player:getXp():AddXP(Perks.MetalWelding, 5);
end ```

they are both existing in the same file that has the require "recipecode" at the start

[neon bronze]

ah ok

[frank elbow]

In the game directory, there's a zombie subfolder. Food.class is at zombie/inventory/types. You'll need to run a decompiler on the source to analyze it; fernflower works & is what I used, I think most people use beautiful-java. See https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2748451514

[compact tinsel]

but it does look like the whole file isn't loaded in
just did the print test, that showed nothing as well
and the file is at media\lua\server

[mental jackal]

i got this, should work too 😄
thanks so much!

[compact tinsel]

okay... it turns out that the first lua didn't work, because of an issue with the other thing I had a question about...

    local item, itemType;
    local ropeItems = {};
    for i = 0, items:size() - 1 do
        item = items:get(i);
        if item then
            itemType = item:getFullType();
            if itemType ~= "Base.Log" then
                table.insert(ropeItems, itemType);
            end;
        end;
    end;
    result:getModData().ropeItems = ropeItems;
end``` the base game uses this function to save the ropes used (so the same ropes can be returned once the log stack is unbundled)

Of course, since I'm bundling other things than logs it creates a bug, where not only the ropes are saved, but also all the planks, metal etc.
I tried to get the function to only save the rope
```function Recipe.OnCreate.CreateStack(items, result, player)
    local item, itemType;
    local ropeItems = {};
    for i = 0, items:size() - 1 do
        item = items:get(i);
        if item:getItemsTag("Rope") then       -- it breaks on this line
                table.insert(ropeItems, itemType);
        end;
    end;
    result:getModData().ropeItems = ropeItems;
end```  my best guess is, that the I'm using the if function wrongly, I also now see that the itemType variable is missing, so I'll have to get that one back in there as well

the easiest solution would be just using the basegame function and deleting the result, but then spawned in stacks would only give rope upon being unbundled

Edit: disregard this, I just made four different functions for four different items, not pretty, but it works

[dull moss]

Hooked it up to existing translations to not make my translators wanna kill themselves with slightly editing 500 existing lines

[bright fog]

Looks great

[mental jackal]

this is just wonderful!

[distant vortex]

Hello, Does anyone have experience in creating mods that can modify Project Zomboid the text on the game's TV, I would like to ask if you can help me create a mod for the game Project Zomboid that allows me to change the color and background of the game displayed messages on the game TV.

I studied a little about the RadioData, ISRecordedMedia and RecMedia functions, but I didn't understand how I can create the mod.

If necessary, I will pay to teach me.

[dull moss]

do you mean subtitles that are shown when TV is on or do you mean UI for it, where you change volume and such?

[distant vortex]

Yes, the subtitles that are shown when the TV is on

[dull moss]

It's most definitely possible, atm gaming but can help after, ETA 30 min

[distant vortex]

I know I could change the color of the text by changing this parameter, but it is unfeasible due to the number of lines of code.

And I also don't understand how to change the background

[distant vortex]

Fair

[drifting ore]

Automation, son. If it's too much manual labor then write a script.

[distant vortex]

Yes, the problem is that everything I tried to create a script didn't work, that's why I'm here asking for support

[dull moss]

I am not sure about background but you I think could have those broadcast IDs in code and then just change colors on the fly. if it's from your broadcast

[unreal pewter]

does anyone know about this?

[dull moss]

@distant vortex looks like he found them judging by this ss #mod_development message

[distant vortex]

---

I tried something like this in Python

def modify_colors(file_path):
    tree = ET.parse(file_path)
    root = tree.getroot()

    new_text_color = {"r": "255", "g": "0", "b": "0"}
    new_background_color = {"r": "255", "g": "0", "b": "0"}

    for voice_entry in root.findall(".//VoiceEntry"):
        final_color = voice_entry.find("FinalColor")
        if final_color is not None:
            final_color.attrib.update(new_text_color)
        
        background_color = voice_entry.find("BackgroundColor")
        if background_color is None:
            background_color = ET.SubElement(voice_entry, "BackgroundColor")
        background_color.attrib.update(new_background_color)

    for line_entry in root.findall(".//LineEntry"):
        line_entry.attrib.update(new_text_color)
        line_entry.attrib.update({
            "bgR": new_background_color["r"],
            "bgG": new_background_color["g"],
            "bgB": new_background_color["b"]
        })


    tree.write(file_path, encoding="utf-8", xml_declaration=True)


file_path = 'RadioData.xml'  


modify_colors(file_path)```

OK It worked

Thanks for the support

[unreal pewter]

wait howd you do it

im trying to do the same thing

[distant vortex]

I just ran the code above in the Python terminal

Just don't forget to put the correct path to your RadioData.xml file in:

file_path = 'RadioData.xml'

[unreal pewter]

i found RadioData so im guessing i gotta rewrite it and stuff for my mod

[unreal pewter]

uh i know nothing about coding, tihs is my entry to it right now

[unreal pewter]

what is this script doing?

[distant vortex]

This was the idea above, an automation to change all parameters in the RadioData.xml file

[unreal pewter]

ah

too complicated for me ill just brute force it

[distant vortex]

In this case it will change everything to red.
r = '255'

[unreal pewter]

also all the radio broadcasts are in RadioData, but wheres the tv broadcasts?

[bronze yoke]

also in radiodata

tvs are just radios with different channels

[unreal pewter]

huh

well i searched words that i know are in life and living and none of them showed up

oh i found it, huh, nevermind

[keen silo]

Would there be a way to fix this?

Like, telling the game to load newRadioData.xml instead of RadioData.xml, or Using a Mod Manager in a specific way?

[keen silo]

in VSCode, do ctrl+F
search for the lines like r="255" g="0" b="0"

then replace for r="YOUR_R" g="YOUR_G" b="YOUR_B" (little drop down right next to search function)
for all

This will replace all instances of one color for another

[austere sequoia]

wasnt there a mod that added more means of extinguishing fires? For the life of me, I cant find it

[sullen basin]

Hey folks, anyone here know what might cause this to absolutely break my game?

https://pastebin.com/ZNr4y0HE

The output log seems to be this:

[dull moss]

Well I give up, I can't make it so UI removes children on runtime and then rebuilds it, guess the structure will be updated to remove redundand elements between character loads

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[dull moss]

Anyone knows if Joypad.LBumper is equivalent to M1?

There's a problem with base game that if you select tabs in character window it registes both pressing down and releasing M1 as triggers to switch tabs

So if you press While your M1 is on Health and release on Temperature, it'll switch to Health and when you release switches to Temperature

Which is dumb and something I thought can be fixed

function ISCharacterInfoWindow:onJoypadDown(button)
    if button == Joypad.LBumper or button == Joypad.RBumper then
        if #self.panel.viewList < 2 then return end
        local viewIndex = self.panel:getActiveViewIndex()
        if button == Joypad.LBumper then
            if viewIndex == 1 then
                viewIndex = #self.panel.viewList
            else
                viewIndex = viewIndex - 1
            end
        end
        if button == Joypad.RBumper then
            if viewIndex == #self.panel.viewList then
                viewIndex = 1
            else
                viewIndex = viewIndex + 1
            end
        end
        self.panel:activateView(self.panel.viewList[viewIndex].name)
        setJoypadFocus(self.playerNum, self.panel:getActiveView())
    end
end```

found this in character window code so was thinking about maybe overwriting it to fix it

but not sure if that's what I need nor if Joypad.LBumper is equivalent of M1

but then again onJoypadUp doesnt even exist so idk how this could even be prevented

[bronze yoke]

no, the bumpers switch tabs left/right when pressed

[dull moss]

Any thoughts on where should I take a look?

ISCharacterInfoWindow is derived from ISCollapsableWindow but I don't really see a solution there either

[late merlin]

Hey folks, relatively new to modding Zomboid [I've gotten a small mod running already, and know the basics of modding Zomboid], not new to modding in general. I use the Anthro Survivor mod (a mod that adds a new clothing layer at the very bottom of the layer stack where, essentially, the equivalent to a fursuit is placed) and am slightly miffed that head hair does not show through the "fur" layer. Is it at all possible to make hair visible through a clothing layer like this, or is this impossible?

[dull moss]

Sounds like something folks in #modeling would know better

[late merlin]

you think? I was hoping there was some way to make the hair render after (or "above") certain clothing layers edit: this'd only work if the game were made up of 2D sprites. my next message is the 3D equivalent

or even offset the hair objects upward by a certain amount, which would be even better

[late merlin]

I'm seeing in the documentation that it's possible to change the render offset of an isoObject by :setoffsetY() or :setRenderOffsetY()-ing it? is there any reason why this wouldn't work? (I'll try it tomorrow, it's late where I am. any more input is appreciated!)

[bronze yoke]

they aren't independent objects

[late merlin]

oh, dang. so to do what I'm looking to do, I'd have to override each individual model to offset higher upward..?

[grizzled fulcrum]

If loading of these files are done in Lua you could hook the function that loads them and specifically load yours in a certain spot

If it's done in java then uhh I'll have to look at it I guess

[bronze yoke]

it's definitely not lua, i know model scripts can have offsets but i have no idea specifically if hair goes through that (and if it would use them since it probably doesn't get rendered the same way)

[rancid barn]

IT IS DONE! BIG BILL HELL'S SHALL GRACE KNOX COUNTRY!

question first tho, if the profile pic/thumbnail for the mod is a big "GO TO HELL" from the actual BBH vid, would that go against PZ's mod policy or can it just be laughed off?

eh why risk it ill change it

[rancid barn]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3279354618

ITS LIVE!

[drowsy fjord]

Hi, I just started trying to mod this evening and am getting a little frustrated at ItemZed. I was hoping one of you lovely people could help me out.

None of the tabs are accessible when I try to create a new mod 🥲

[drowsy fjord]

Nvm... I wish I had seen this earlier:

[rancid barn]

the classic blunder

tbh happens to us all

[drowsy fjord]

It's just a bump in the road. Not gonna stop me from developing my mod that only 1 or 2 people will ever use! 🤩

[rancid barn]

what mod is that

[drowsy fjord]

I'm gonna try to create a new medical item. Melatonin gummies, for when you wanna sleep and drink and not die.

[rancid barn]

nice

[drowsy fjord]

I want to do more eventually, but I figure it will be a good "starter mod" for me to learn how to make them in the first place.

[rancid barn]

hey we all gotta start somewhere. My first mod (which u should totally download btw no pressure) was a VHS tape mod of Big Bill Hell's

[drowsy fjord]

lol watching a VHS tape that gets your drunk? does it work every time or just the first time?

[junior blaze]

how to make a custom hairtyle mod? any fguides?

[graceful pasture]

does anyone know how to get a vehicle texture in the game? i’ve already made the one i want using the texture map and everything, but very few tutorials have been helpful to me in getting the mod to actually Work. not sure what steps i’m missing

[drifting ore]

As a rule of thumb, you can dig through vanilla game files and edit them.

[rancid barn]

no clue!

[drowsy fjord]

😂 sounds like you did some solid testing on it. Once I figure out how to test my gummies I'll DL your mod and answer that question. 😘

[sour island]

https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/1dr4mjv/modjam_july_1st_to_7th_game_night_addons/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Hosting a ModJam if anyone wanted to work on a quick project using the GameNight framework. Information, and guide included on the post/discord.

[grizzled fulcrum]

Should trait creation be done in the shared part of Lua? I currently do it on the client but I was just looking over my previous code and found it odd.

[dull moss]

yes

for a small price of my sanity and 800 lines of code, like 30% of what I need to do is done

[tacit carbon]

does anybody know if there is a trigger like onGameBoot for when you confirm sandbox options?

[dull moss]

You can try finding something here
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Lua_Events

From top of my head dunno

there's this now also apperently from Albion

https://github.com/demiurgeQuantified/PZEventDoc/blob/develop/docs/Events.md

looks sick

https://github.com/demiurgeQuantified/PZEventDoc/blob/develop/docs/Events.md#oninitglobalmoddata

think you need this

[tacit carbon]

thank you ill try

[tacit carbon]

I tried to add a option to turn off traits in sandbox, but since I was using OnGameBoot, it wasnt updating cause it was adding the trait before you can update it, but I tried using this instead:
Events.OnInitGlobalModData.Add(myFunction);
but it didnt work, do you have any idea what I could do?

[dull moss]

ye you can't do that

and yes I have a solution for you

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2914075159
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2934686936

had to figure out same thing for myself

best solution i found to disabling traits is to do it via submods

because they are added to traits at game boot

so not really any other way

or I haven't found one

[tacit carbon]

what are submods exatcly?

[dull moss]

you make a submod with id something like EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableAxeThrower and then in your main mod when creating traits you check if it's enabled and if it is you don't create the trait

    if not activatedMods:contains("EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableAxeThrower") then
        local AxeThrower = createTrait("AxeThrower", 4);
        AxeThrower:addXPBoost(Perks.Axe, 1);
    end```

[tacit carbon]

ohhh so you make another mod just to disable one trait?

[dull moss]

yep

[tacit carbon]

i see, i see

[dull moss]

there's framework to adjust trait price in sandbox and I guess you coudl use that to set trait price to 9999 if you dont want ppl to be able to pick it but it's kind of a bandaid

as you see modid list is quite big in 2nd mod

Mod ID: EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableAVClub
Mod ID: EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableAxeThrower
Mod ID: EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableBloodlust
Mod ID: EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableBodyWorkEnthusiast
Mod ID: EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableFogTraits
Mod ID: EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableFurnitureAssembler
Mod ID: EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableGunEnthusiast
Mod ID: EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableGymRat
Mod ID: EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableHoarder
Mod ID: EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableHomeCook
Mod ID: EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableKenshi
Mod ID: EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableKnifeFighter
Mod ID: EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableLightStep
Mod ID: EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableLowProfile
Mod ID: EvolvingTraitsWorldDisablePainTolerance
Mod ID: EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableRainTraits
Mod ID: EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableRestorationExpert
Mod ID: EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableSojutsu
Mod ID: EvolvingTraitsWorldDisableStickFighter```

[tacit carbon]

yeah I was like why? hahahaha

[dull moss]

also you can make it in same mod but the IDlist will become bloated and there's a big fraction of playerbase who are not tech savvy or just incapable of just reading stuff and will just turn on every modID

so i'd recommend separating it in 2nd mod

[chrome veldt]

Hey! I'm making a mod and I believe I have to mod the java side but I'm not sure about the tools, I stumbled upon pzStorm but it doesn't seems to be up to date. Is there a prefered way of doing it?

[bronze yoke]

there isn't a mod loader in usage or anything, people just recompile the classes they're interested in editing

[chrome veldt]

Ok, does it change anything to the distribution via the workshop? Like dependencies or whatnot

[sour island]

Java file changes would have to be manually installed.

Unless it is just changes to the host/server stuff then I guess only the host would need it.

[chrome veldt]

Hmm, that’s not ideal. I’ll keep searching for a LUA solution. Thanks for your answers

[red tiger]

Is this open-source?

[red tiger]

I keep seeing this conversation come up. Wondering if I should look into throwing in my plugin engine into the client-side to see what happens for the hell of it.

I'd make it in Kotlin.

It'd be fun to introduce Kotlin to the client-side of PZ.

With developers specifically tasked to work on Lua code, I'm surprised that (at least publicly), this sort of experiment hasn't been a topic of discussion.

Kotlin would give more of a script-like language to what is a Java environment.

I've used Kotlin with server mods I authored in the past and it was quite nice personally. =)

(Leaving this thought here, just in-case anyone special were to see it)

[drifting ore]

There's a good reason people use Lua and not Javascript, Python, LISP, or any number of meme languages.

[red tiger]

When I mentioned Kotlin, I meant it as an optional addition on the Java-side, not a replacement for Lua. =)

You'd be surpised how good JavaScript is when standards for coding are applied.

Python is really good for people who are not interested in in-depth programming.

LISP is a meme.

[drifting ore]

Lisp is less of a meme than Kotlin. When you use a language on top of a language on top of a language, you know you messed up somewhere along the way.

[red tiger]

I wouldn't blame the doctor for mending symptoms of a disease something else caused. =)

[drifting ore]

The solution here is to just not use Javascript and its derivatives.

[red tiger]

Kotlin actually did do a lot in steering Oracle's perspectives on certain dated Java language features that then were included in later releases.

[drifting ore]

It's not a be all end all language, there are other better options.

[red tiger]

Yeah. That perspective is very flawed. (Saying it's the end-all language)

[drifting ore]

It's extremely popular because it has a 100% monopoly on the web, but it doesn't mean it should be used, especially as a videogame scripting language.

[red tiger]

I use TypeScript because it marries similar approaches to many languages I've used.

It's also a purposely-designed middle-language where it's supposed to be compiled to another language to run.

It's mainly designed around JavaScript but can become a powerful tool when transpiled to Lua, for example.

Lua and JavaScript ES5 are very similar functionally.

[drifting ore]

The easiest way to mess up your developer base is by splintering it.

[red tiger]

Haha I guess I have blood on my hands because I've done this several times in the past with jobs and modding communities alike.

[drifting ore]

So the correct way to approach this kind of problem is to pick a solution and declare that everything else is not supported.

[red tiger]

You are correct if your focus is solidifying what you have as a priority over trying newer things.

[drifting ore]

Think of it this way. Why do you go to YouTube and not a million of other video hosting services?

[red tiger]

So it's up to the developers' priorities here which might side with you because it's much less work for what could be seen as little to no benefits.

[red tiger]

I fail to see the relationship here between sold product with marketing and offering additional languages that are built-in supported.

[drifting ore]

You're looking at it from the wrong angle. I'm asking a question straight up, in a very literal fashion. Why do you personally choose YouTube over everything else?

[red tiger]

You're asking an engineer who is thinking about this as an engineering problem. It's too expensive to build an infrastructure that would take many years to debug and improve to be atleast as performant as YouTube.

[drifting ore]

Or for example why Discord? Why Reddit?

You're missing the forest for the trees here so I'll spell it out, in the example of Reddit. You go there because there's the most content. Which in turn is because there's the most users. Who, like yourself, go there because there's the most content. The relationship between userbase and attractiveness of the platform is exponential, and is in a positive feedback. This means that if you do it in reverse, that is by splitting the userbase into 2 completely separate realms, both of them will be much less than 1/2 as valuable as the original. You effectively kill everyone's desire to participate, and you gain nothing.

[red tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-sorprendido-shaquille-oneal-gif-23222312

I'll make sure to keep things like my anti-cheat patch in Kotlin because it provides additional security.

[drifting ore]

Surely you bore witness to some unfortunate videogame who had too many gamemodes for the amount of players it had, and it only expedited its downfall because it's too hard to find a lobby.

[red tiger]

You know what Kotlin is and does, right? I'm not being an arse here.

[drifting ore]

It will have the same effect on the modder base.

There will be a lot less than 1/2 as much support for either scripting language.

Best case scenario, nobody cares and you just wasted a lot of time adding proper support.

[red tiger]

So Kotlin is a custom Java bytecode compiler with library support that integrates cleanly with Java environments.

[drifting ore]

If it was meant to do java mods, you should've said so. That's even worse.

[red tiger]

Then you don't understand what Kotlin is.

It isn't itself a mod to Java. It works cleanly with any vanilla Oracle HotSpot! (TM) VM.

[drifting ore]

Well it can either be used to make java mods, or to be compiled to Lua. Either way is not great but for different reasons.

[red tiger]

And better yet, it can be used as a tool for situations that warrants it, by modders and even the devs themselves.

[bronze yoke]

you're putting a lot of stock into jab's ability to singlehandedly kill the modding scene

[red tiger]

Which don't get me wrong, the idea of having this power is kinda cool but not canon.

[frank elbow]

I don't think this premise is necessarily true considering it's the same modding API at the end of the day. If it were an entirely different system I'd agree

[red tiger]

If this were true, PipeWrench was a nuclear bomb.

[frank elbow]

That is, people would still be able to discuss the API regardless of the language used

[drifting ore]

Unity's C# and JS api are also identical as far as different languages API can be identical, and yet here we are.

[frank elbow]

I don't know where here is because I haven't touched Unity in a bit, but I'm pretty sure it's the same situation I described? At least it was like 6 years ago or so lol

[drifting ore]

Except Unity is a huge thing, they can kinda afford having 2 languages. They didn't originally had Javascript but pretty clearly they want to cash in on many people being familiar with it.

Importantly, it was a deliberate choice on their part, they didn't do it because they thought Javascript was a new cool thing.

[frank elbow]

Fortunately, profit generally isn't a huge consideration for PZ modding

[drifting ore]

Having heatlhy modding scene is probably a pretty big consideration for PZ devs though.

[frank elbow]

Sometimes trying new things for the sake of trying new things is enough of a reason 😄

[frank elbow]

I don't think the suggestion was for the PZ devs to do it—Jab would do it himself (presumably, knowing Jab)

[drifting ore]

Well if that presumption is true, then Jab can go right ahead I guess. Though I will say that causing splintering is generally not ideal. Just look at Minecraft's Fabric and Forge.

It doesn't just makes development less convenient since information is harder to come by since less people know it, it also affects mod users since the modloaders cannot be mixed and matched, so if devs of your favorite mods decided to use different modloaders, you're SoL.

[frank elbow]

That'd be another example of an entirely separate API. I see your point for that case like I mentioned, but in this case it's harmless & an interesting thing to do imo

[bronze yoke]

i don't think jab is going to break all lua support

[frank elbow]

Not yet. His evil villain Lua destruction arc is just around the corner

[red tiger]

It's fun to note that I was one of the first people to mod that game and my account is a n c i e n t. I had modded since before and during mod loaders and packs. People would rather have 5 options than one official option. It does work and people are glad to have those options. (Speaking strictly here in Minecraft land)

[red tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-rizz-rizz-gif-11157824601050747846

[drifting ore]

That's not what I've experienced. Nobody liked the idea of having different modloaders and least of all the users who couldn't put together certain combination of mods purely due to modloader choice on the devs part.

99% of the reason new modloaders even appear is sheer teenage drama surrounding the inner clique. (I do know that vast majority of these people are adults but they still act like this)

[red tiger]

The entire modding scene erupted when Microsoft openly looked at this as an option. We overwhelmingly rejected this and they backed off.

[drifting ore]

Probably more to do with Microsoft than with the suggestion.

I wouldn't trust them with that either.

[red tiger]

What? I don't want to steer this in a negative direction however I need to say there's a looot of assumptions and steel-manning going on here. People mod because they like something enough to make a fun project to work on it, for improvement or for opportunities to learn, or even other things.

And I consequently have fun making tools for them to extend and improve that experience.

[drifting ore]

Also a lot of the reason devs choose one modloader over another is poltitical zealotry, so there was bound to be shit hitting the fan. (props to whoever just picks highest mod compatibility loader)

[red tiger]

If your concern lies with the social aspects of changes to modding in games on a commuinity-level that's one thing, however this isn't a good perspective when looking at it from an engineering perspective.

I really hope you enjoy your modding experiences.

[drifting ore]

If I remember this right, the whole reason that Fabric was created was that Forge devs couldn't divvy up patreon income or something along those lines.

And then it happened again with NeoForge, and mods like Sodium had alternatives developed for the same reason. Sodium was probably created in the first place because people wanted a cut of OptiFine's pie.

[red tiger]

I think Kotlin would help TIS in some ways with their devs who may be limited to the Lua side of their operation. I say this even in spite of the fact that Kotlin would limit my ability to mod their game due to the code not being decompiiable in Kotlin's current state & tools publicly available.

[drifting ore]

If it's your hobby it's your hobby, I can't tell you what to do. I can only remind you that sometimes even innocent actions have big consequences. It's kind of a modding scene equivalent of genetic engineering, or playing God if you will. But more importantly, it doesn't strike me as a useful endeavor to start with, since it seems to me like the reason you want to even do this is purely because you think it's cool, and if I'm guessing this correctly, it's mainly because Kotlin is your language of choice. Without a real, valid, useful reason. I'm sure you can come up with a good rationale, but rationale is not the same as motivation. It's one of those "do because you could without thinking if you should" kind of deals.

And yes I do see how this makes me a hypocrite because I did basically the same thing. My only defense is that I offered my code wholesale to the original developer and they didn't take it. And because the original was, to be blunt, complete dog water and the devs didn't do anything about it.

[red tiger]

Wait. You made a major assumption here. I've done this several times in the past. I can be backed up for doing just that. I not only did that but offered information on then major exploits and issues with the games' engine that were patched.

For reference here I've modded games since 2003. I've done it both as a job and a hobby.

Please don't make assumptions about people.

Like what is the point of this conversation though? I'm absolutely lost.

[drifting ore]

I didn't make such assumptions, you did so about me. All that was purely in reference to implenemting a hypothetical alternative modding environment in a whole different language, as opposed to fixing problems in the original, as an isolated event.

[red tiger]

Alright. I'm going to disengage here. This is becoming a toxic situation.

Again, Hopefully you'll find your enjoyment in modding.

[drifting ore]

You know, my flabbers are a little gasted. You make a hurtful accusation that I assume bad things of you, and when I say otherwise you call the situation toxic, as if you blame me for hurting your feelings by assuming bad things of you. And you top it of with a cookie cutter "have a nice day" passive-aggressive remark. These remarks don't make people feel better. You already decided to disengage, so there was no reason to write that. I know people don't usually take kindly to being opposed, but I didn't say anything negative directed at your persona. I do apologize for the distress and feeling of toxicity, but I feel like being toxic to me in return was unwarranted.

[austere sequoia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH0Qda32IKM

[left plank]

So anyway

[dry pier]

Hello, is there a way to disable spawn locations introduced by another mod?

[drifting ore]

You might be able to modify the spawn points in OnSpawnRegionsLoaded since it directly passes the loaded table into the callback and after it finishes it directly uses it.

[dry pier]

What about controlling the spawn location names that show up when selecting the spawn point?

[drifting ore]

barring that, you can add a modified spawnregions.lua that overrides the previous file.

[dry pier]

Before the game is even started.

Do you have to have the same folder structure as the previous mod?

[drifting ore]

I don't know.

[dry pier]

ok thanks... I'll try to go down that path. Thanks

[thick karma]

Are you hosting MP?

[dry pier]

Yup

[thick karma]

You can just edit your spawnregions file to exclude the files of certain mods

Just snip lines you don't want

If your goal is to completely disable spawn points of this or that mod

[dry pier]

Thanks.

[dull moss]

the game refuses to take sandbox integers below 0?

{
    type = integer,
    min = -500000,
    max = 0,
    default = -20000,
    page = EvolvingTraitsWorldComplexPerks,
    translation = EvolvingTraitsWorld_AsthmaticCounter,
}```
ERROR: IntegerConfigOption.setValue() "EvolvingTraitsWorld.AsthmaticCounter" 20000 is greater than max=0

Or am I missing something?

[bright fog]

Hmm

Idk I have never set sandbox options below 0

[thick karma]

Never tried either but that sure seems to be what's going on if that is the code you ran to get that error.

[dull moss]

this game sometimes makes me wanna punch somebody

🙃

[thick karma]

Why make it a negative value out of curiosity?

[bright fog]

[thick karma]

There's argument to be made for not allowing negatives; a signed integer needs to spend a bit on the sign of the integer.

Maybe they want to be able to store larger numbers idk

[dull moss]

Sandbox_EvolvingTraitsWorld_AsthmaticCounter_tooltip = "What value on counter you should reach to gain asthmatic trait. Running or exercising in cold temperature decreases counter, the colder it is, faster the decrease. If you're outside, it decreases even faster. If you have smoker, it decreases even faster. Additionally, having smoker slowly decreases the counter when you run even if weather is fine. Reaching opposite of counter removes the trait. Counter slowly increases by itself as long as you're not running or sprinting and breathing air warmer than 0 degrees Celcius. On top of that, it increases based on your Fitness level and current endurance level. Having smoker halves increases rate. Having asthmatic halves it again.",

Which means either I have to make all my translators fix translations or flip the value myself

Which means I have TO REMEMBER that it's flipped

which is bad

[bright fog]

eh

You should survive

[thick karma]

Why not use 0 as minimum and treat counter as a normal positive threshold?

[bright fog]

Yeah

[thick karma]

counter represents need for oxygen or something

[bright fog]

Offset it

[thick karma]

If need for oxygen crosses threshold set here, asthma stuff

[dull moss]

i mean obv there are solutions, im just sad that i can't do what i was doing

[thick karma]

Idk fully what you're doing, but any situation involving negative numbers can be reframed as one involving positives.

But fair

For sure

Sorry for your loss lol

[dull moss]

[bright fog]

o7

[frank elbow]

The explanation makes sense in theory, but integer sandbox values use the int type

Which is signed

[dull moss]

^

[thick karma]

Fair fair

I was throwing out guesses obv

Haha

Weird in that case that it restricts use of negatives.

[dull moss]

int is int

[drifting ore]

one of those bizarre problems that devs create for no reason purely because they think it's a smart thing to do

anyway just use double

[dull moss]

bruh when you will stop bitching, any time I see you in chat you bash engine or devs or whatever else is wrong with the game.

nothing is perfect

deal with it

[drifting ore]

bro take a chill pill. I'm not even talking to you.

Oh wait, I guess I am! Haha. I didn't register anyone's names. My bad.

anyway just use double

(unless you want to bitch about signed ints not working with negative values 😛)

I gotta check if they're really signed though. The error looks suspiciously like sign overflow.

[frank elbow]

Probably not overflow, more likely that the parser just ignores the character

[bright fog]

What does that mean exactly ?

[frank elbow]

A sign is +/-. Signed numbers can be positive or negative

[chrome veldt]

Does anyone know what the radius in IsoLightSource refers to? I would assume it's how far it lightens the area but changing it doesn't seem to do anything.

[thick karma]

P sure it is that... I use radius with IsoLightSource in Darkvision but idr exactly how that command was formed. Iirc I always feed last two params the radius

[chrome veldt]

I'm trying to change it using the setRadius method, I'm not creating a lightsource

[thick karma]

Mmmm never did it that way

[chrome veldt]

I guess i'll keep trying things, thanks for you answer 🙂

[dull moss]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

1.2k lines of UI

and i'm not done yet

[drifting ore]

You know what I take it back. I didn't fully traced the sandbox options reading routines, but in what I did traced I found literally nothing. It all should be working completely fine. To me this looks like a bug buried very deep in the codebase. For what it's worth, internal game code that generates optons objects on Java side, handles negatives without a hitch.

It's just at this point I've seen so many times some dev intentionally added a smart feature that ended up just causing issues for no reason, it became a force of habit to think like this. It was really bad faith on my part.

[drifting ore]

Isn't most of it just boilerplate that you can shove into a small table and have a fixed routine handle the rest?

[dull moss]

no because you have to update those

[drifting ore]

I don't get it.

[dull moss]

all of those are updated on render() and to update specific child you have to know what you're updating

also way too many variables to make it a table, it'd be a mess to manage

and on top of that, not all of them are generated every time, when they are no longer needed they are gone

[drifting ore]

looks like you just have to bite a bullet, and you only get to choose which

i guess it's easy for me to say when the best examples of my UI look like this lmao

[drifting ore]

Eh I dunno. Even if every element on the screen was using a custom getValue function averaging 100 lines, it would still be half as much code. I misread that as 12 000 lines oof

though 20 lines per element is still a lot of boilerplate

my entire code responsible for keeping track of separate corpse piles and stitching them together with a lot of optimization is less than 500 lines, with comments, and I'm one of those people who stick to 80 columns

aaand it just came to me that I'm using inefficient optimization method, while simultaneously using a much better method for a different subsystem in the same code.

[frank elbow]

I said it earlier but I imagine it's not some deep bug & it's just the script parser not handling the character

Which could be considered a bug, but with how the parsers are written in the game code it was probably intentional

[drifting ore]

i checked all code relating to parsing scripts and sandbox options in particular that I could find, and I found absolutely no infractions

[frank elbow]

Must resist the urge to get out of my comfy spot to go to the computer

[unreal pewter]

So I'm new to coding completely and I need a little help making it so a list of books I've made will generate ingame, heres's what I have but its not working and I'm pretty sure i have formatting wrong:

local function addProjectGurashiLiteratureItems()
    local items = {
        "ProjectGurashi.TheDancingGirl",
        "ProjectGurashi.CollectionofHagiwaraSakutaro",
        "ProjectGurashi.CollectionofNakanoShigeharu",
        "ProjectGurashi.CollectionofKanekoMitsuharu"
    }

    for _, category in pairs(SuburbsDistributions) do
        if category.category == "book" then
            for _, item in ipairs(items) do
                table.insert(category.items, { item = item, count = 1 })
            end
        end
    end

    print("Project Gurashi literature items added to distribution tables.")
end

Events.OnPreDistributionMerge.Add(addProjectGurashiLiteratureItems)```

is this wrong and what about it is wrong

[drowsy fjord]

@rancid barn I was able to find the VHS at one of the video stores, but it didn't make me drunk 😭

[drifting ore]

judging by the distributions merge code, the modded items should go into Distributions[#Distributions + 1] and the data format should be the same as in vanilla lua/server/Items/Distributions.lua file.

[unreal pewter]

im gonna need you to dumb that down for me i have no idea what that means

[drifting ore]

To be honest I have no clue either, I'm just reading it off the source code files.

[unreal pewter]

i see

[drifting ore]

Anyway look at vanilla media/lua/server/Items/Distributions.lua code to see a working example.

[unreal pewter]

im doing that right now and im even more confused

[thick karma]

Do you know how to read the code of mods

[unreal pewter]

nope

[drifting ore]

it's a tiered hierarchy structure. First level is location type, second level is container type, third level is actual data. It can come either as "regular" list of items, or as procedural one.

[thick karma]

All your subbed mods get downloaded to Steam/steamapps/workshop/content/108600. Idk where you installed Steam of course. Go sub to Meditation and you can refactor what I do to distribute the books in the Mastering Yoga submod.

@unreal pewter

You use a command called table.insert twice to insert the item you want followed by the unadjusted probability of spawning it per roll into the procedural distribution tables that make sense for your item.

[thick karma]

Search this folder for MasteringYoga after you sub.

[bold yoke]

What would you do if you added computers to projects on board?

[unreal pewter]

what does MasteringYoga = MasteringYoga or {} mean

[drifting ore]

it means creates MasteringYoga as empty table if it doesn't already exist

or in Lua selects whatever is on the left, unless it's false or nil, in which case it selects whatever is on the right

if you can please abstain from creating global variables because they will intrude into everyone else's mods too. To make a local variable simply preface it with local

[unreal pewter]

will do

[unreal pewter]

I tried this and it just doesnt work

ProjectGurashi.truncate = function(number)
        return math.floor(number * 100) / 100
end

ProjectGurashi.calculateLiteratureAdjustment = function()

    local setting = tonumber(getSandboxOptions():getOptionByName("LiteratureLoot"):asConfigOption():getValueAsString())

    if setting > 3 then
        return 1.25
    elseif setting > 4 then
        return 1.5
    elseif setting > 5 then
        return 1.75
    elseif setting > 6 then
        return 2
    end
    
    return 1

end

ProjectGurashi.addBooks = function()
    
    -- Base Rate
    local rate = 4

    if SandboxVars.PG.literatureFrequencyMultiplier then
        rate = rate * SandboxVars.PG.literatureFrequencyMultiplier
    end

    local literatureAdjustment = ProjectGurashi.calculateLiteratureAdjustment()

    local rate = ProjectGurashi.truncate(rate * literatureAdjustment)

    table.insert(ProceduralDistributions.list["ClassroomDesk"].items, "ProjectGurashi.TheDancingGirl")
    table.insert(ProceduralDistributions.list["ClassroomDesk"].items, ProjectGurashi.truncate(rate))

    ItemPickerJava.Parse()

end

Events.OnInitGlobalModData.Add(ProjectGurashi.addBooks)```

i vaguely understand whats happening in this code but I don't know what's wrong

ah i see the issue

yeah nope still not workin

[rancid barn]

well at least the tape works

thats very good

[rancid barn]

wait i figured out the problem

[rancid barn]

mods been updated

[wet sandal]

[rancid barn]

literally me

[edgy agate]

Mod idea: button that cleanly crashes your game.

reason: super lazy save scum system. Doing this correctly should create a seperate [save name]_crash file that can be loaded whenever.

[north drift]

Did you use the new version 1.4?

All the tabs should now work I'm sure you are past it now, but for some changes to take effect in the ui it appears you have to save and reload the mod.

[compact elm]

Can anyone help me with animated popup lights for a vehicle? I have no clue about the lua functions

[chilly ermine]

local function OnWeaponSwing(character, handWeapon)
local weapon = getPlayer():getPrimaryHandItem()
if (weapon:isTwoHandWeapon()) then
end
Events.OnWeaponSwing.Add(OnWeaponSwing);

how to ensure every weapon swing from a specific weapon from a mod pack has the uppercut animation, assuming its 2 handed.
Is there a var that can change the current animation set, and animation speed?

[grizzled fulcrum]

I mean there is SwingAnim when the item gets defined in the item script idk if thats kinda what you're talking about

otherwise I have no idea

[chilly ermine]

its defined as bat already, like the default value for 2h wep, but i just want a specific animation type for when it does swing

thanks regardless

[thick karma]

Sorry, I passed out, two immediate recommendations: when you make your module local, you do not need ProjectGurashi or because it is not going to exist before you use it in that file. You should also add return ProjectGurashi as the last line of your file so that your mod is patchable.

I always return local modules, because I never know how someone might want to patch them, and I like to make sure my mods either already play nice with others or can be made to do so by someone else when I'm gone.

Now, once you've straightened your module, if you want some more help, you need to clarify exactly what isn't working if you expect further help. Posting code and saying "why doesn't this work" is not likely to get much support beyond someone like me telling you to provide more information. You need to say exactly what isn't working and how you know. Are errors being thrown? If so, what are the errors? If not, what do you mean by not working, and how have you attempted to determine whether it's working?

When you refactor a mod you need to figure out what you do and don't need by reading it. One thing you may not realize you need are some of the sandbox variables that are declared in the parent mod's sandbox options file

[thorn brook]

hey, how hard would be adding a pause and rewind tape function to the true music mod as an addon (i want to be able to make mixtapes, instead of putting each song on a seperate tape)? i'm pretty much a beginner in modding but i do have some lua experience if that helps, or maybe does a mod like that already exist?

[thick karma]

I am aware of no way to do this. I don't know if it's possible. I tried figuring out a way to jump to a certain place in a True Music track or detect how far into the track you are when I helped rewrite True Music Jukebox, and I could not find anything.

[thorn brook]

i'm pretty sure the immersive cd players mod had a function like that, i'm gonna check it out and maybe then it can be implemented into true music

[thick karma]

What would definitely be possible would be making a mixtape object that loads a queue of songs into True Music Jukebox. Then you could jump from song to song freely. I'd just add an export mixtape button that people could use at the jukebox to make their saved queue portable. I have been thinking about adding that as a new feature. You're welcome to attempt it yourself.

Jukebox already had custom queues

So turning them into mixtapes would be a small step

But not as one sound file

Turning them into a reference to the multiple sound files needed by the jukebox is something I know could be done

Combining them into one new sound script or file from in-game is beyond my knowledge

[thorn brook]

oh yeah i think that's the way immersive cd players does it, a cd holds tracks and it just switches between them

the same thing could be done with tapes

what i would also like to achieve though is so it also remembers at which point the tape has been stopped (like a real life tape and you'd have to rewind it)

[thick karma]

Yeah I follow, I just don't know if it's possible with the True Music sound objects. Couldn't find a way to determine any measure of play progress in the emitter class myself

Nor a way to set it to that level of progress

[thorn brook]

yeah i just checked and the immersive cd players mod also plays the song over again when you stop and start it again, so maybe it just isn't possible

[thorn brook]

i would really appreciate it if you could look into this

and possibly add it to the jukebox mod

[thick karma]

I did 😦

I wanted it in the mod before we released if it was possible

That particular problem defeated me

I was just telling you in fair warning of its difficulty

I.e., if writing True Music Jukebox seems hard to you, prepare for that to be harder... Haha and if not hell yeah good luck let me know if you solve it

[thorn brook]

didn't you say it would be a small step since jukebox already has custom queues?

[thick karma]

Mixtapes not pausing

Exporting a mixtape for people would be a smaller step

Sorry I misunderstood what you meant by this

I thought you meant solve partial song progress

The tapes you could export easily from TMJ would only be easy to play from other jukeboxes to be clear.

[thorn brook]

nah i don't really care about it that much as i do about being able to create mixtapes instead of having a seperate cassette for each song

[thick karma]

Making a cassette item for a single-item player from TMJ would be more difficult because you would have to patch and redesign TM's players or find a novel way of combining tracks into one sound clip

[thick karma]

Word it's conceivable. Do you use True Music Jukebox yet?

It will already let you mass dump all your cassettes and vinyls and make a queue out of both of them and play that queue serverwide

If you just want to be able to mix and match songs and listen to them while you hunt

And you can shuffle them and jump to random and they'll loop forever and you can lock or unlock your queue (so it plays each song once and returns to the main playlist, or it repeats the queue)

And you can add or remove tracks from the queue easily if you get bored

[thorn brook]

i tried it before, it plays serverwide though? not just within a certain range like a boombox or something?

[thick karma]

You can turn up the range

In Sandbox Options

Up to 110000 tiles

You will hear it everywhere at that setting

Read through the mod page and its sandbox option tooltips for a better idea of all your options

It provides many ways to use it

Also lets you remotely access loaded boxes

To skip tracks and such

Or queue new ones

[thorn brook]

well yeah it is useful for that purpose, but still i think it would be better if you could put multiple tracks on one tape and then you can play it in your car, walkman etc. (just like it's done in the immersive cd players mod)

or what would be even cooler if the same thing could be done on vinyls

then you can have a whole album with a cover

on one vinyl

and then you can have a lil vinyl collection

[chilly ermine]

how does someone command the player to preform a specific animation using lua?

[thick karma]

Immersive CDs uses a custom sound system and custom music player. Modding the cassette player to specifically accept a custom mixed cassette would probably be possible but more headache. I'm unlikely to ever do that tbh, because those music players are already such a mess that I would be compelled to completely redesign all the True Music players if I were going to that much trouble.

I may review ICD to see what could be done but I doubt it's possible without majorly rewriting True Music files. Afaik the immersive CDs are all fixed state - you can't make custom CDs - and I bet that's because they also found it prohibitively difficult to combine sounds into a single item that the music player would recognize in game

[thorn brook]

i tried feeding the code into ChatGPT and seeing how it would go about it since i got no idea how to do it myself, but ai being ai i don't think anything it said is really plausible in this situation, you can check it out for yourself just scroll down:
https://chatgpt.com/share/4e25f622-a72e-421b-ad10-00d87810e452

[thick karma]

It never says anything lol

ChatGPT is not helpful to me historically at this level of modding.

[thorn brook]

yeah, it might be a bit helpful with smaller scale stuff but not this i guess

[thick karma]

It's always babble that experienced modders have to correct

[drifting ore]

It helps to know that ChatGPT is at the core a random text generator.

[thick karma]

It's good for commonly solved problems with widely publicized correct answers.

It's awful at problems that have never been solved before and problems that are only ever solved in private spaces.

Most modding goals fall into the latter category.

This is one of those times where I would recommend believing in yourself. You can do things ChatGPT cannot through the much more boring power of patiently learning new skills over time. @thorn brook

[dull moss]

I used chatgpt few times for modding here and there, it's helpful

that is if you have an idea what you're doing

but as Burr said, it depends on how deep you go

it can help with simpler stuff

[drifting ore]

Large language models learn by example. If there's no example, they can't learn it.

They can and will however make up stuff on the fly and pass it off as a real answer.

It's one of the open problems in AI research, is that LLM AI cannot gauge its own confidence, it's always at 100%.

[dull moss]

I'm just saying that it can help with modding

It solved few problems for me

[bronze yoke]

it can be effective for questions that are more general or if you have the knowledge and time to tell it what it's doing wrong (but at this point i think you're better off doing it yourself)

but overall you're just using google search with an additional high chance to make things up completely and look quite convincing while doing it

[dull moss]

[drifting ore]

Nothing says its output can't be correct. But nothing says it's output is correct. At the end of the day it just generates random text, using a randomization function that mimics human text probability distribution.

[dull moss]

[drifting ore]

Using AI for answers it kind of like looking at a broken clock to tell which time it isn't. It's mostly right, but only through sheer happenstance.

[dull moss]

Well idk what to tell you, I used chatgpt for coding related things hundreds of times and majority of times it was helpful, even sometimes with pretty complicated things

[drifting ore]

There's no contradiciton there.

[dull moss]

oh I misread ur msg

[drifting ore]

Majority of the time it works. And there's a minority of the time where it fails.

Well, the reason there is such minority where it fails, is because fundamentally it produces text simply by selecting what's the next most probable best word to autocomplete the text, one word at a time.

(with an asterisk, I can elaborate if you wish)

[dull moss]

I'm fairly sure you're hyperbolizing here the simplicity of chatgpt but I'm not really interested in the discussion nor do I know the subject well enough. But I am damn well sure it's not an asterisk fill

[half remnant]

Yeah lmao, just like with "real" coding, the majority of the time your code works and then there is a minority when your new code fails and you dont know why and have to debug.

AI is doing good work but only as long as it knows the context of your code and your prompt is right. Just like in real life, if you ask other senior devs the right answers and they know the context they can help you.

[drifting ore]

actually no i'm simplifying and anthropomorphising here, in reality it's a lot less pretty than even this prettifyed portrayal

[drifting ore]

Well to put this in perspective. A lawyer recently got in a lot of legal trouble because he used AI to generate some of the legal text for his case. It produced a lot of citations of previous court cases and rulings, and it all seemed well. And then the judge slapped him across the face with contempt of court because none of that were real cases.

This has nothing to do with programming of course. But I bring this up to illustrate that ChatGPT doesn't produce real data, only text that looks like real data.

To anthropomorphise. Think of ChatGPT as that one know-it-all who read a lot of wikipedia and reddit and stackoverflow, will always answer anyone's questions, and doesn't knows the meaning of the words "I don't know" or "I'm not sure"

[half remnant]

ChatGPT is a mere tool (at least for now) that has its flaws ofc and just like with all other tools you need to check if the output is right. Only because some idiots cant review the output and are lazy, doesnt negate the advantages of such tools.

[dull moss]

He's not a chatgpt enjoyer

[half remnant]

Mhm 😅

[drifting ore]

you're putting way too much faith in a glorified markov chain dead end technology. as a feedforward system it fundamentally lacks the ability to think

[half remnant]

The overall conclusion is that you can use ChatGPT for certain tedious tasks and even get help with very complicated coding sprints as long as ChatGPT knows the context. I dont recall how many times I got a decent codebase out that I had to rewrite a bit ofc but it was pretty decent.

Its just a tool that cuts your worktime, nothing more and nothing less.

[dull moss]

[half remnant]

The thing is that it doesnt need to think and it would be fckng scary if it could. Its just a TOOL, similar to excel etc, just with a different usecases.

[drifting ore]

It's more like Google, if it had the ability to make up fake data if it didn't find the exact match.

You know if it actually could mark which text is not real, it would be outstanding.

But as I said, it's an open problem in AI research, as AI will always gauge its own text as 100% real

Same reason BTW why AI can't discern AI text from human text.

[dull moss]

Will you ever do mod or something so your msgs are on topic

Anyway fixed a problem myself

[drifting ore]

Who says I'm not modding?

[half remnant]

Yeah, the thread is about programming and mod development so we should stop flooding it with unrelated topics 🫡

[drifting ore]

Anyway I'm basically giving you a warning against putting any trust in ChatGPT's outputs. Its modus operandi is hallucinating text, and that's it's the only modus. It can and often does have large overlap with reality, but don't make the mistake of thinking that it says the truth.

As a LLM afecionado who runs their own AI locally, I'm acutely aware of these problems, and I feel like I must warn people against overlooking them in a commercial model running on someone else's computer for profit.

[forest lodge]

quick question, i'm adding some new color variants to the Lumberjack Shirt. i have the textures all set up, icons and everything, and i created a Shirt_Lumberjack.xml in my /media/clothing/clothingItems/ folder (screenshot 1). made sure the GUID was the same as the original game's file.

the issue i'm running into is when trying to add the icons to the item. if i don't do anything else, there is one entry for Lumberjack Shirt with all the colors, but the new colors lack an icon.

so, i made a text file in /media/scripts/clothing/ and added this (screenshot 2). now there are two entries for the Lumberjack Shirt - one has all the colors without the icons (as before), but now there's an additional one with the correct icons.

instead of making a new entry in the base clothing, is there a way i can just overwrite the IconsForTexture field in the existing Shirt_Lumberjack entry?

screenshots didn't attach, one sec lol.

there we go

[drifting ore]

Do you end up with separate vanilla and modded jackets?

[forest lodge]

yep

[solar rover]

@sour island Just wanted to check in and see if the EHE mod team every responded with perms to use the old heli model file?

[drifting ore]

From 2nd screenshot looks like you add a XYZclothes.Shirt_Lumberjack while Base.Shirt_Lumberjack also still exists

my advice is to override Base.Shirt_Lumberjack clothingitem, it might work but I'm not 100% on it

[sour island]

Sorry, lost track of your username. They unfortunately said no. 😦 I think they plan to redo some of the older stuff, so I think it's a matter of artistic pride.

[forest lodge]

i'm importing the Base, so i assumed just writing a new Shirt_Lumberjack would overwrite it, but i'll try rewriting it

[solar rover]

Understood! I'll go find a free file, I'm the same way about old work of mine.

[forest lodge]

i'll give this a try

[drifting ore]

Also I think when you add modded files, you don't need to keep the original's GUID. The game only cares about definitions inside the file. I'm not sure what it even does exactly, only that fileguidtable and xml file GUID values are enforced to be matching.

[forest lodge]

well, i have a completely custom clothing item so that XML has a custom GUID and is added to the fileguidtable
for the lumberjack shirt, i did not add it to the fileguidtable, and it works

i'm not really a professional with zomboid modding as you can tell lol, so im just going off of what i've seen others do

[forest lodge]

anyway, yeah, putting it under the Base module itself worked, thanks friend

[drifting ore]

Eh. Game modding documentation is virtually impossible to come by, unless the game is Factorio. So I hazard a guess that it's like this for everyone.

[forest lodge]

i was typing "yeah the lack of documentation is astounding" but if someone asked "who wants to write documentation" i'd be the first person putting my hand down

at least it's... somewhat intuitive

[drifting ore]

Even when it was part of my job description to write documentation, I almost never did it.

[forest lodge]

with single-player tarkov we have like zero modding documentation as well so

the curse of modding games that are still being actively worked on...

[bronze yoke]

the tools for documentation are coming along

[drifting ore]

I feel like this would be almost a non-issue if the game shipped with its original Java source code folder. It would be easy for people to figure out exact inner workings and put it on the wiki.

[bronze yoke]

to be honest i don't think it would help much

the javadocs seem to automatically integrate any in-code documentation, which shows us that there is almost none, at least for things like class and method declarations

decompiles can be a little messy but i don't think we're really that far off from having the full picture

[grizzled fulcrum]

as long as we can see decompiled java, we can write our own documentation on what functions do

so thats good I guess

[drifting ore]

by the way where do i find the proper java autogenerated docs?

[bronze yoke]

https://projectzomboid.com/modding/

[drifting ore]

cool, thanks. Odd that I found a whole bunch of random ones working off decompiled code, but not this one.

[grizzled fulcrum]

yeah I saw zomboid-javadoc website but it seems that it's off decompiled code too

[bronze yoke]

the official one is technically a version behind

but it has named parameters so i find it much more useful and have to this day only found one difference in api

[red tiger]

I hope with the prospects of Build 42 that official JavaDocs builds will become more frequent.

If not I can look to see if my datasets could be used for this process for third-party builds.

[bronze yoke]

i wonder how much work goes into it, i figured it wasn't much but they'd probably do it more often if so

[red tiger]

It's an easy process actually.

[bronze yoke]

before this version came out the docs were like b40, b39?

[red tiger]

Assistance tools in IDEs makes it incredibly easy to run.

[red tiger]

The last one was rendered in 2015.

You can hit F12 on JavaDocs sites and they'll show the render times in the HTML.

Rosetta started as a response to this issue however since then the issue went away thanks to Build 41 JavaDocs showing up.

What's even cooler is the products PipeWrench and Candle transparently show all of the API changes on the Java-side with every update so people can use the Git diffs there on the repositories for guidance on all API changes.

Methods digested through JavaDocs in previous versions of the game with matching method signatures can be forwarded through Rosetta as well.

So if the method's parameters and name don't change and its location to call is the same then you could forward the same JavaDocs information through to the next version, even if the JavaDocs isn't available for that version. =)

[drowsy fjord]

What was the issue? I finally got my Melatonin Gummies to work but I'm having an issue with distribution tables, hopefully today I will get mine published.

[unreal pewter]

whats not working is that the books arent spawning in any furniture when i check, and theres no errors happening

again i dont know much about coding so i dont really know whats happening here at all

[thick karma]

Do you know how to check the items loaded in your game using the debug item viewer

[unreal pewter]

Yes, I checked that and they worked fine. So I know its an issue with the distribution

[thick karma]

Is your distribution file in server?

I think it belongs there

[unreal pewter]

yes

[thick karma]

Well if they're in item viewer and error free, maybe share distribution code and we can make sure it looks right, but in all probability if you followed my code as a template you just gotta look around a bit for your book

Might need to go to a library

[unreal pewter]

for testing i just put it in school desks

because the map is centered around a school

[north drift]

Is it wrong that I can't wait for Build 42, not because of its features but its breaking changes will bring a whole swath of new errors disocover and fix.

[thick karma]

Word code?

[unreal pewter]

?

[thick karma]

Are you making a custom map too?

[thick karma]

The code you used to add to procedural distribution

[unreal pewter]

this is the code i used, wasnt able to make the changes you said because im not home

[unreal pewter]

yeah, a standalone map separate from kentucky

[thorn brook]

i tried writing to autotsar on telegram about this, but turns out he's a big asshole that just blocks you when you ask a simple question and doesn't even bother to say anything, when i asked him on another account why did he block me he did it again

[north drift]

🚫

[thick karma]

If your item is in the viewer and you can spawn it into inventory through the item viewer, your problem is either the distribution file or improperly flagged map locations

I can check the file but I don't know the details of properly flagging locations for procedural distribution, I only know it has to be done

[drifting ore]

geez what did you even say

[thorn brook]

to him? i just asked him if he knew of any true music addon or something that added the functionality i was talking about earlier, and if not if he could look into adding it himself if it wouldn't be too much trouble

he just straight up blocked me after that

[north drift]

Just because it's simple doesn't mean the request was a nice one. What did you do?

[small dust]

Hate to derail anything here, but I and my State of decay overhaul team are wondering how we go about publishing our vehicle liveries for the UH-60 mod to the workshop

[thorn brook]

believe me i was real nice about it, i pretty much said it exactly the same as here

[thorn brook]

.

[thick karma]

Uh no idea what telegram is tbh but yeah he might not respond to user requests via that channel. I don't think he's been updating those mods in years and idk that he still provides active support anywhere, but I imagine it would be through Discord if at all

[drifting ore]

well my best explanation is that the guy has far too much solicitors so to him it's easier to instantly block anyone he doesn't feels like engaging with. It's extremely rude but I don't think it's malicious in nature.

[thorn brook]

he could at least have the decency to answer instead of just blocking

[north drift]

Yeah just sounds like effort outweighed his interests

[thick karma]

I think the extreme popularity of his mods made that approach overwhelming over time

He has well over 100k users

More than some standalone games

[north drift]

I would just take it as a no and not worry about it.

[thorn brook]

most of those users are just that, users

they won't have any reason to write to him directly

so i doubt he gets that many messages

especially on telegram

and it doesn't seem like he's answering on discord either, except on a channel for patreons maybe

[thick karma]

Perhaps. Might be surprised how many requests to add features he has gotten over the years. Everyone has limits. But I hear you.

I needed to wait for a very long time before he responded to a bug fix I offered via his Discord, but he did reply.

He seems busy

[north drift]

Yeah sounds like not the best way to answer, but I don't think he has any moral obligation to be nice. And we don't really have any high grounds to fully understand or judge his behaviours. It possible he could of just ghosted the messages just read them and never reply.

[thorn brook]

well i wouldn't mind if i had to wait for an answer, but even not getting a reply is better than just straight up being blocked

[north drift]

But getting a response is better than. Waiting for none, so you gotta take the little w

[thick karma]

He might just not want to be pingable by strangers in that app

[thorn brook]

yeah i guess getting blocked is a kind of response lol

[thick karma]

I wouldn't friend people on Steam I didn't want to be able to ping me for the same reason

[thorn brook]

are you a patreon of his? because it seems to report a bug you need to be one

or for anything else too really

[thick karma]

No I reported via his Discord

I pinged him on his server

And left the message alone

Didn't ban me...

Took literally weeks to reply lol

[thorn brook]

yeah i'm talking about the discord, there is a tech support channel on there for reporting bugs but it seems you need to be a patreon to be able to write on it

[thick karma]

But he probably silences those pings on Discord and gets to them when he finds time

[thick karma]

Idk about that; idr where I reported. But it's possible he replied because I am not a normal user and included the fix, rather than simply saying something was wrong. Idk.

[north drift]

"When we put all this out to the public beta we intend to do so alongside a comprehensive modding guide" from latest thursdoid, how comprehensive have previous guides been?

[fleet bridge]

ItemPickerJava.Parse() what does this do?

[unreal pewter]

no clue, copied someone else’s code

[dull moss]

[fleet bridge]

do you have an error when you run the function then?

[unreal pewter]

listen he told me to so its okay lmao

[thorn brook]

i think they mean a comprehensive modding guide for the new stuff they implement, since a lot will change

[unreal pewter]

im pretty sure i dont have errors

[fleet bridge]

are you in debug mode?

[unreal pewter]

no

[fleet bridge]

start in debug, press f11 in-game, then on bottom right window search for your lua file

chances are, its not loading hence its not adding to distribution

[unreal pewter]

well in the past i added a print to it to confirm the script was running, and it was

ill try again when im home in like 20 mins

[drifting ore]

it forces Java to reload item distributions

it's a bit of a misnomer since it just converts Lua table entries to internal Java objects, it doesn't parse any text

[fleet bridge]

so does it reload the vanilla distribution?

[drifting ore]

it reloads ALL distributions

you probably should never use this function

[fleet bridge]

so... any inserted entries disappear?

[drifting ore]

no, they're inserted into the game's memory

[fleet bridge]

dont see that being used in any vanilla files, hence i am wondering what it does and why it is necessary

[drifting ore]

i checked in Java source code and it appears to be an internal function responsible for actually loading the distribution data

but as a mod code, it probably should just use the merge distributions callback

[bronze yoke]

you need to use it to change distributions if you edit them after they're parsed

mostly useful for sandbox options affecting item spawns since sandbox options don't load until after the game parses them

[drifting ore]

i.e. if you did it in the wrong order 🤦‍♀️

[bronze yoke]

i.e. if you did it in the only order you possibly can

[fleet bridge]

private static void ParseProceduralDistributions() {
ProceduralDistributions.clear();

[drifting ore]

the array needs to be cleared before it's filled if you don't want any extraneous bits in it

[fleet bridge]

in the context of Nekomair's code, ItemPickerJava.Parse() is after the insertion and would just remove the inserted entries - that's my understanding

[drifting ore]

no it forces the game to respect the newly added changes

in the java routine right in the next few lines it fills the distributions object from Lua tables

[drifting ore]

Right. Sandbox load order is wonky in my experience too. When you start a new game it loads before booting, but when you load a game it loads somewhere just before game start.

[bronze yoke]

it's because you set the sandbox options on the options screens for creating a new game

[drifting ore]

I wouldn't expect that to make a difference though.

[bronze yoke]

it'd have to deliberately reset your settings and then load them again

[drifting ore]

Not if it loaded the settings before running Lua scripts, the same way as it happens when you start a new game.

[bronze yoke]

yeah, it should ideally do that as early as possible, it causes nightmares and there's no need for it

it's not possible to always load sandbox options before lua runs though, lua doesn't always reset when loading into a game

though i think that might be worth changing too

[drifting ore]

Yeah pretty sure Lua state just needs to be reset when loading a level.

Like, why would you want your main menu bits and bobs intruding into actual game?

Then again, it depends on master design. But in case of running a Java compiled binary with Lua purely for scripting, seems like this would be the way to go.

Eh. It's not a system library, so can't complain that the design is not entirely sound.

[true pollen]

hello brothers! Would you be able to help promote a channel? is aimed at the Brazilian mod community! the community is lacking and there are simply no videos on YouTube on how to create mods! I would be very grateful if you would sign up! https://www.youtube.com/@tiagocuru

[orchid notch]

progressing well on the Easy Packing for GunFighter[2.0]/brita ammo

[empty flame]

Anyone knows who is the creator of PAbuilder?

[coarse sinew]

Dezeeuw I know it's the mantainer. You can find him on PARP #1078853103912226917 message

[empty flame]

thank you soo much

[unreal pewter]

@fleet bridge theres this error in the console, not sure if this might be it:

STACK TRACE
-----------------------------------------
function: addBooks -- file: ProjectGurashiDistribution.lua line # 83 | MOD: Project Gurashi: Megurigaoka City

ERROR: General     , 1719946895194> ExceptionLogger.logException> Exception thrown java.lang.RuntimeException: attempted index: literatureFrequencyMultiplier of non-table: null at KahluaThread.tableget line:1689.
ERROR: General     , 1719946895194> DebugLogStream.printException> Stack trace:
java.lang.RuntimeException: attempted index: literatureFrequencyMultiplier of non-table: null
    at se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaThread.tableget(KahluaThread.java:1689)
    at se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaThread.luaMainloop(KahluaThread.java:492)
    at se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaThread.call(KahluaThread.java:163)
    at se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaThread.pcall(KahluaThread.java:1980)
    at se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaThread.pcallvoid(KahluaThread.java:1812)
    at se.krka.kahlua.integration.LuaCaller.pcallvoid(LuaCaller.java:66)
    at se.krka.kahlua.integration.LuaCaller.protectedCallVoid(LuaCaller.java:139)
    at zombie.Lua.Event.trigger(Event.java:64)
    at zombie.Lua.LuaEventManager.triggerEvent(LuaEventManager.java:92)
    at zombie.world.moddata.GlobalModData.init(GlobalModData.java:53)
    at zombie.iso.IsoWorld.init(IsoWorld.java:2438)
    at zombie.gameStates.GameLoadingState$1.runInner(GameLoadingState.java:268)
    at zombie.gameStates.GameLoadingState$1.run(GameLoadingState.java:225)
    at java.base/java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
LOG  : General     , 1719946895196> -----------------------------------------
STACK TRACE```

[fleet bridge]

literatureFrequencyMultiplier of non-table: null

[unreal pewter]

yeah, i just have no idea what that means lmao

[fleet bridge]

did you create a sandbox var?

it means it doesnt exist

[unreal pewter]

i didnt

[fleet bridge]

so the entire thing wont execute until you add a sandbox variable

[unreal pewter]

to be honest burryaga just said to copy his code and i tried to so im just trying to figure out how to put his code in

[unreal pewter]

ohh i see

that makes sense

[mellow frigate]

ProjectGurashiDistribution.lua line # 83 you call [something that is null].literatureFrequencyMultiplier you have to handle null case or ensure it does not happend

[unreal pewter]

i assumed the frequency multiplier was the sandbox setting in the base game for loot rarity

[fleet bridge]

you can set that entire var to 1 just to test and see if the rest of it works, but ideally you'll create a sandbox variable for it

[unreal pewter]

i think that section is

    local setting = tonumber(getSandboxOptions():getOptionByName("LiteratureLoot"):asConfigOption():getValueAsString())

    if setting > 3 then
        return 1.25
    elseif setting > 4 then
        return 1.5
    elseif setting > 5 then
        return 1.75
    elseif setting > 6 then
        return 2
    end
    
    return 1```

im not sure if i even need this?

can i just like delete this entire section?

and should i get rid of ItemPickerJava.Parse()

[warm vector]

How come I get told that my mod is missing a mod.info file when I try to upload it - but my folder has it?

C:\Users\NAME\Zomboid\Workshop\NAMEOFMOD\Contents\mods - is the path I put the mod.info file into

[unreal pewter]

you need to put it in C:\Users\NAME\Zomboid\Workshop\NAMEOFMOD\Contents\mods but you also need a copy of it in C:\Users\NAME\Zomboid\Workshop\NAMEOFMOD

[warm vector]

Still tells me I'm missing a mod.info file - I now have it both places

[unreal pewter]

huh, thats weird

i know you also need a poster file, but itll specifically say that

[warm vector]

Yeah it has worked fine before - made a few changes to it and wanted to update - now it just doesnt work somehow

[mellow frigate]

no

[unreal pewter]

oh

well thats what i was told at least lmao

and it works fine

[thick karma]

You'll want to rename all the sandbox options in your mod

Those will overwrite other translations otherwise

[unreal pewter]

i dont want any sandbox options

[thick karma]

Then delete references to them 🙂

[unreal pewter]

so im trying to find what part of your code messes with sandbox options

[warm vector]

Any suggestions on where to put it then? D:

[unreal pewter]

you ese thats the thing

im stupid

[thick karma]

Search SandboxVars

All references to SandboxVars in the code are referencing sandbox options

[unreal pewter]

right, i think its just this part, right? the part i commented out, i mean

[thick karma]

Also (obviously) you don't need the sandbox-options.txt or corresponding translations in Sandbox_EN

[unreal pewter]

yeah i just copied some of your text from MasteringYoga-Distributions.lua directly into my distributions file

thats all i copied

[thick karma]

Also 33 if I'm reading it right

[unreal pewter]

still seems to not be spawning, though

[thick karma]

33 34 35

[unreal pewter]

what?

oh lines

[thick karma]

Yes

[unreal pewter]

33-35 of your code?

[thick karma]

Use Search

Ctrl + F

Search text i.e. Find

Find "SandboxVars"

[unreal pewter]

so in my code thats lines 83-89 i think

[thick karma]

All code relying on those must be deleted or reworked

[unreal pewter]

right?

[thick karma]

Yes I couldn't see first number in the other ss

[unreal pewter]

ah alright

okay ill try this

reloading lua by enabling or disabling another mod should make this reload right?

[thick karma]

Are you not in debug mode yet?

[unreal pewter]

i got confused how debug mode works lmao

[thick karma]

I recommend debugging in debug mode.

[unreal pewter]

will do

[thick karma]

It has a reload Lua button

Among other advantages

[unreal pewter]

how do i just get to the main menu in debug mode?

[thick karma]

If you're firing errors before you get to main menu and it opens the big debug window, you close that (or reopen it) with F11

[unreal pewter]

oh i see, thanks

[warm vector]

@thick karma You know by chance why the game keeps telling me why I'm missing a mod.info file perhaps?

[bronze yoke]

your mod.info is missing or in the wrong place

[unreal pewter]

where it says no category set, could that have something to do with it?

(still not spawning it seems)

[warm vector]

C:\Users\PROFILE\Zomboid\Workshop\MyModIsHere\Contents\mods
thats where my mod.info file - exactly like the template has it

[unreal pewter]

oph yeah

thats the wrong place

[bronze yoke]

it should be in C:\Users\PROFILE\Zomboid\Workshop\MyModIsHere\Contents\mods\MyMod\mod.info

[unreal pewter]

yeah

[thick karma]

What they said lol

[unreal pewter]

by the way, is the rate the spawn weight?

you set it to 4 by default, whys that? is that the spawn weight of books or what?

[thick karma]

Just the likelihood that felt good to me subjectively in testing at normal book rarity

Feel free to adjust as desired

[warm vector]

I see, I was missing a layer of folder somehow - Thanks ! ❤️

[thick karma]

I think I've seen similar values commented as uncommon as opposed to rare... Not sure how accurate that is. I basically tested to make sure several copies would be available at libraries

And balanced around that

[unreal pewter]

well

still theyre not spawning at all

[thick karma]

They in item viewer?

[unreal pewter]

yeah

still not spawning

[thick karma]

Can you manually add them to inventory

[unreal pewter]

at least in the desks, which is what im testing

[unreal pewter]

yep, that works fine

the items themselves exist and function properly

[thick karma]

What's your book rarity setting

In your server

[unreal pewter]

im trying a couiple things

ive been testing on the default, rare

[bronze yoke]

you can check the container in lootzed to see if the issue is chance or if it's not being added at all

[unreal pewter]

just put it at abundant and still nothing

[unreal pewter]

how do i do that?

[bronze yoke]

you need to enable it in the debug menu's cheat menu and then right click the container icon in the inventory panel

[unreal pewter]

i see

[thick karma]

You may want to make a secondary server with vanilla map and check Louisville's library

[unreal pewter]

what specific tiles are included in ClassroomDesk and ClassroomShelves?

[thick karma]

And just confirm your distribution code is good

If items spawn in Louisville then your problem is your map data

#mapping may know more about fixing item spawns on the map level

[bronze yoke]

i think lootzed will tell you what container definitions a container is using

[unreal pewter]

oh, huh

interesting

so does that mean its just chance?

is the fact it has no name there an issue?

[bronze yoke]

i notice in your previous screenshot there is no ProjectGurashi module tab in the itempicker

is your item in Base instead?

[unreal pewter]

PG is it

i just shortened it by my friend's suggestion

to have the module and mod names different things

[thick karma]

What's your item script look like?

[bronze yoke]

ah, you've given the distributions the old name then

that's why it's not spawning anything

[unreal pewter]

i see

[unreal pewter]

the only thing thats not working is the unhappiness change

i may have the wording wrong

[thick karma]

PG.TheDancingGirl when referencing item from Lua

[unreal pewter]

im gonna change the module name, then

holy shit yes it worked

finally, i learned how to not be stupid

so another question, is there a way to have a list of items and say to run the distribution code thingy for every item in the list?

[drifting ore]

You can straight up write down the items as a list. And then pass it to a function that iterates over each item in the above list and adds it to the distributions.

list = { "PG.TheDancingGirl", "PG.Kokoro", "PG.TheCrabCanneryShip" }

for _, bookItemName in pairs(list) do customFunctionToModifyDistributions(bookItemName) end

[grizzled fulcrum]

^ saves so much time and effort

[unreal pewter]

something like this?

[grizzled fulcrum]

and you can have another list of all the containers it should add it to

then loop in a loop

[grizzled fulcrum]

yep

[unreal pewter]

cool, thank you all a lot

so happy i finally got this working

[grizzled fulcrum]

but you don't need your mod name in front of it, when you go to add it to the distribution you can just append your mod name to the text like MOD_ID .. books[i]

assuming MOD_ID is a string with your project name local MOD_ID = "ProjectGurashi"

[drifting ore]

that's a coding style optimization I'd reserve for later

[unreal pewter]

oh but also, the distributions like ClassroomDesk and ClassroomShelves, where can i find a list of all those?

[grizzled fulcrum]

true

[grizzled fulcrum]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Procedural_distributions

scroll down to List of procedural distributions or something like that

[unreal pewter]

dear lord thats a lot

[drifting ore]

or you can look at the original game file, in steamapps\common\ProjectZomboid\media\lua\server\Items\ProceduralDistributions.lua

there's even more. But it's all real game items from current version.

[unreal pewter]

oh also i wasnt able to get unhappiness reduction working, is UnhappinessChange = -40, the wrong format?

[drifting ore]

It could be? Check out a regular book script text. Those also reduce unhappiness.

[unreal pewter]

alright

[drifting ore]

Yeah apparently you're using wrong identifier.

[unreal pewter]

does something like this look right though?

[unreal pewter]

ah thanks

[drifting ore]

yup that works. If you uncomment the preceeding list and put it in the pairs argument then it'll use it.

[unreal pewter]

where would i put pairs..

[drifting ore]

i mean the in pairs(list) do

pairs is a function that enumerates everything in the table that you put in it

[thick karma]

pairs(books) if you uncomment

[unreal pewter]

i see

and lastly how do i change the function itself

like what would i put instead of ProjectGurashi.TheDancingGirl

[drifting ore]

change the fisrt line to function(book)

and then change the actual book title string to book

[thick karma]

PG instead of ProjectGurashi

[unreal pewter]

you mean books?

[thick karma]

Based on earlier script

[unreal pewter]

no i changed the module name

[thick karma]

Oh

Ok

[unreal pewter]

i got it to spwan ingame im just trying to make it so i can insert an item into a list and itll spawn

[drifting ore]

rate = 4
table.insert(ProceduralDistributions.list.ClassroomDesk.items, book)
table.insert(ProceduralDistributions.list.ClassroomDesk.items, 10 * rate)
end```

and put ItemPickerJava.Parse() after the loop from which you call this function

[thick karma]

I would declare rate and Parse() out of function but mostly yeah that looks right

[thick karma]

@ this

[unreal pewter]

shouldnt it be like this?

[thick karma]

Also don't forget local on rate. @unreal pewter

[unreal pewter]

with the distribution quoted

[drifting ore]

yes but take note that you're using plural books as the item name. Put it in the argument list brackets of the function definition (as in function() => function(books) )

[unreal pewter]

its like that, yeah

[drifting ore]

It technically doesn't matter but the programming language will absolutely not allow any misspelling.

[unreal pewter]

this is how the whole thing looks

[thick karma]

I think you a more fundamental naming issue

[drifting ore]

not quite OK

[unreal pewter]

okay so thats weird

[thick karma]

Idk I would just say addBook

And book

Personally

[unreal pewter]

upon trying to make a solo run the base game's map no longer exists lmao

[thick karma]

Each iteration adds a new book to the distribution

Idk

[unreal pewter]

yeah ill do that

[thick karma]

I mean the distribution does go on to add books

So sort of fuzzy I guess

[unreal pewter]

wait nevermind im literally stupid

ignore that

[thick karma]

But it's definitely a singular title

Maybe addTitle

Haha

Idk

[drifting ore]

Can you please paste the text? I'll fix the errors but it's just too much to type it all in by hand.

[unreal pewter]

oh sorry lmao

local ProjectGurashi = ProjectGurashi or {}

ProjectGurashi.truncate = function(number)
        return math.floor(number * 100) / 100
end

local pairs(books) = {
        "ProjectGurashi.TheDancingGirl",
        "ProjectGurashi.Kokoro",
        "ProjectGurashi.Yoakemae",
        "ProjectGurashi.TheCrabCanneryShip",
        "ProjectGurashi.NatsunoHana",
        "ProjectGurashi.NoLongerHuman",
        "ProjectGurashi.FiresonthePlain",
        "ProjectGurashi.TheSilentCry",
        "ProjectGurashi.TheLegendofTono",
        "ProjectGurashi.JidaiheisokunoGenjo",
        "ProjectGurashi.AnAutobiography",
        "ProjectGurashi.ListentotheVoicesoftheSea",
        "ProjectGurashi.ParadiseintheSeaofSorrow",
        "ProjectGurashi.RedLightsShakko",
        "ProjectGurashi.ACollectionofHagiwaraSakutaro",
        "ProjectGurashi.ACollectionofNakanoShigeharu",
        "ProjectGurashi.ACollectionofKanekoMitsuharu"
 }

    for _, bookItemName in pairs(list) do ProjectGurashi.addBook(bookItemName) end





ProjectGurashi.addBook = function(books)
    
    -- Base Rate
    local rate = 4

    table.insert(ProceduralDistributions.list["ClassroomDesk"].items, books)
    table.insert(ProceduralDistributions.list["ClassroomDesk"].items, ProjectGurashi.truncate(10 * rate))
    table.insert(ProceduralDistributions.list["ClassroomShelves"].items, books)
    table.insert(ProceduralDistributions.list["ClassroomShelves"].items, ProjectGurashi.truncate(10 * rate))

    ItemPickerJava.Parse()

end

Events.OnInitGlobalModData.Add(ProjectGurashi.addBook)```

[drifting ore]

ok so

        "ProjectGurashi.TheDancingGirl",
        "ProjectGurashi.Kokoro",
        "ProjectGurashi.Yoakemae",
        "ProjectGurashi.TheCrabCanneryShip",
        "ProjectGurashi.NatsunoHana",
        "ProjectGurashi.NoLongerHuman",
        "ProjectGurashi.FiresonthePlain",
        "ProjectGurashi.TheSilentCry",
        "ProjectGurashi.TheLegendofTono",
        "ProjectGurashi.JidaiheisokunoGenjo",
        "ProjectGurashi.AnAutobiography",
        "ProjectGurashi.ListentotheVoicesoftheSea",
        "ProjectGurashi.ParadiseintheSeaofSorrow",
        "ProjectGurashi.RedLightsShakko",
        "ProjectGurashi.ACollectionofHagiwaraSakutaro",
        "ProjectGurashi.ACollectionofNakanoShigeharu",
        "ProjectGurashi.ACollectionofKanekoMitsuharu"
 }

ProjectGurashi.addBook = function()
    
    -- Base Rate
    local rate = 4

    for _, bookItemName in pairs(books) do 
        table.insert(ProceduralDistributions.list["ClassroomDesk"].items, bookItemName )
        table.insert(ProceduralDistributions.list["ClassroomDesk"].items, ProjectGurashi.truncate(10 * rate))
        table.insert(ProceduralDistributions.list["ClassroomShelves"].items, bookItemName )
        table.insert(ProceduralDistributions.list["ClassroomShelves"].items, ProjectGurashi.truncate(10 * rate))
    end

    ItemPickerJava.Parse()

end

Events.OnInitGlobalModData.Add(ProjectGurashi.addBook)```

there we go

[unreal pewter]

ill test that quickly

[thick karma]

Well now it IS an addBooks function lol

But fair enough

[drifting ore]

hey i'm not refactoring anything, just getting it to run 😛

[thick karma]

Bahaha I feel that

I was just telling Neko tbh

[unreal pewter]

uh got an error with a big debug screen then it disappeared

[thick karma]

To keep plurality in the front of their mind

[drifting ore]

check out console.txt log

[unreal pewter]

ah right

[drifting ore]

there's a humongous wall of text but error messages blocks of text stands out so it's easy to find

also ctrl+f error might work

[unreal pewter]

yeah i did that u

uh

[drifting ore]

nah that's not it

[unreal pewter]

yeah i assumed not

but ctrl f isnt gonna work

[thick karma]

Okay

First of all

[drifting ore]

dependin on your editor, ctrl+f results are highlighted in the scrollbar

[thick karma]

https://code.visualstudio.com/

Please for your own sake

[unreal pewter]

i just dont have txt files to open up in that

lazy

but anyways that code didnt work

[thick karma]

Second as CS said, Ctrl + F for "Stack trace"

[unreal pewter]

the books arent showing up in the distribution

[drifting ore]

you've renamed the module to PG right?

[unreal pewter]

no

[thick karma]

No the other way I think

[unreal pewter]

i changed the module name to ProjectGurashi

[drifting ore]

well the Lua code didn't crash so something else must be the issue

try adding something like print("Project Gurashi: adding books to distributions") to the adding books function

then you can search for it in the log and see if any errors immediately follow it

[unreal pewter]

ill put it in the loop

huh

interesting

i cannot pause the game

yeah heres what popped up

idk if that means the green line is what caused an error?

[drifting ore]

no the error is caused by copy pasting the original text which contained a few errors

i quickly revised it but it didn't make it into your actual code

[unreal pewter]

oh oops

    "ProjectGurashi.TheDancingGirl",
    "ProjectGurashi.Kokoro",
    "ProjectGurashi.Yoakemae",
    "ProjectGurashi.TheCrabCanneryShip",
    "ProjectGurashi.NatsunoHana",
    "ProjectGurashi.NoLongerHuman",
    "ProjectGurashi.FiresonthePlain",
    "ProjectGurashi.TheSilentCry",
    "ProjectGurashi.TheLegendofTono",
    "ProjectGurashi.JidaiheisokunoGenjo",
    "ProjectGurashi.AnAutobiography",
    "ProjectGurashi.ListentotheVoicesoftheSea",
    "ProjectGurashi.ParadiseintheSeaofSorrow",
    "ProjectGurashi.RedLightsShakko",
    "ProjectGurashi.ACollectionofHagiwaraSakutaro",
    "ProjectGurashi.ACollectionofNakanoShigeharu",
    "ProjectGurashi.ACollectionofKanekoMitsuharu"
}

ProjectGurashi.addBook = function()

-- Base Rate
local rate = 4

for _, bookItemName in pairs(books) do 
    table.insert(ProceduralDistributions.list["ClassroomDesk"].items, bookItemName )
    table.insert(ProceduralDistributions.list["ClassroomDesk"].items, ProjectGurashi.truncate(10 * rate))
    table.insert(ProceduralDistributions.list["ClassroomShelves"].items, bookItemName )
    table.insert(ProceduralDistributions.list["ClassroomShelves"].items, ProjectGurashi.truncate(10 * rate))
end

ItemPickerJava.Parse()

end

Events.OnInitGlobalModData.Add(ProjectGurashi.addBook)```

okay so THIS should be good?

wait no

wait yes

[thick karma]

Click Errors at the top to explore the traces that tell you useful info

[unreal pewter]

too late i closed it to try to load again

if it happens again ill do that

[thick karma]

I'm speaking in general I knew I was late

[unreal pewter]

ah

[thick karma]

Expand the errors window next time and ping me