#📚marathon-lore-discussion

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icy prism
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my guess is that each run a shell is implanted with some kind of cell or pack which contains nutrients needed for maintaining operations

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once they return this may be switched out or it may be a periodic thing just done whenever

rancid belfry
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Yeah no I feel like since every run is limited to about half an hour they're not really worried about calories or shell energy since the bottleneck is the connection to TCIV

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Runners aren't in shells long enough to feel hungry

icy prism
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i mean they still need it for oporation

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the synthetic cells would have a constant calory demand

rancid belfry
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Yeah I agree with your point they're basically "fed" before being beamed down to the surface

icy prism
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yeah

terse wren
icy prism
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i imagine that they can eat in emergencies like if they were stranded on world but something went wrong and they weren't able to have a consciousness beam up

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if they ran out of time

terse wren
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If i were a runner id stress eat

icy prism
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lol

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i imagine that runners never get to eat anything nice

latent python
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What if a shell got fat

rancid belfry
icy prism
latent python
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Someone's already drawing that fanart

icy prism
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for operational efficiency you want a runner to basically have no fat

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maybe a little in storage but nothing that reduces mobility

dreamy hawk
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Maybe? It depends on how cell-like the cells are imo. If there are no cellular processes or if everything at that level is mechanical you could probably get away with computer code vs DNA.

Are there proteins and other structures that require constant production and maintenance or are those simpler processes replaced with something else?

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If there is DNA then we also get into more complicated things like epigenetics, too, so maybe SekGen came up with something “simpler.”

icy prism
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the genetics is likely way simpler

rancid belfry
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I would imagine any "fats" that would be stored in a human would go to a specific organ rather than be distributed around the shell's frame

dreamy hawk
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That would be my inclination, but it’s the ✨future ✨ so idk. Their understanding of cellular biology would assume dot be way more advanced than ours.

icy prism
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yup

tawny pagoda
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Where is the heatsink

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Like

dreamy hawk
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Shells probably consume pure fat. Nothing else has that energy density, unless we’re using literal fuel.

tawny pagoda
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Big piece of metal with fins

dreamy hawk
icy prism
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imagine how hot their breaths are lol

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dragons

dreamy hawk
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Alveoli would offer the surface area you’d need, you’d just need to be able to push that heat out efficiently.

rancid belfry
tawny pagoda
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And what is it heatsinking? What is heating up specifically more than others? Its not neural since it heats with movement so

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Yeah that makes sense

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Knifing and melee also cost heat

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And rocket arm

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But these are different parts

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Maybe all have separate heatsinking

dreamy hawk
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Hyper efficient blood circulates the waste heat to the lungs where it can be efficiently respired into the atmosphere.

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As long as environmental temperatures are lower than those generated by the shell you’d have a gradient.

tawny pagoda
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Ahh so its more of a liquid cool system

austere elk
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I'm pretty sure that'd be one of the less effective ways to do it

dreamy hawk
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🤷

tawny pagoda
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Nah we putting fans inside

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And rain cools faster too

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But that makes sense

terse wren
dreamy hawk
terse wren
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🙁

dreamy hawk
icy prism
long kernel
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On a serious note, the felini lore suggests heat venting for synthetic creatures is done through gaps in plating

tawny pagoda
terse wren
tawny pagoda
terse wren
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Like what we call "personality" and everything else about a person is actually just the structure of that person's brain.

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The actual physical structure.

long kernel
terse wren
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Along with some epigenetic peepee poopoo and whatever else on individual cells

icy prism
dreamy hawk
terse wren
long kernel
dreamy hawk
terse wren
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We progressed a lot in the last several centuries.

long kernel
worn edge
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idk if this has been discussed here before, but is cyac just manipulating runners at this point? it's my first time watching the cinematic trailer with vandal and assassin, doesn't oni show the same childhood photo to the two of them?

long kernel
terse wren
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I am an optimist

dreamy hawk
terse wren
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... except for the Yud doomer in me

long kernel
tawny pagoda
terse wren
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Not that there isn't a ways to go, and idk what that end looks like. Capitalist hyper acceleration? Some kind of kumbaya collectivist utopia?

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Just plz not paperclips

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Plz GPT ily

rancid belfry
tawny pagoda
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Women's health is still extremely understudied like yeah theres this disease that 10% of women have and we still dont get it grahh

terse wren
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Plz I will never ask u 2 make recon's ass even bigger again

tawny pagoda
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The beginning they say something was heavily damaged but my memory is bad

terse wren
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... unless u like that then i will

rancid belfry
tawny pagoda
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Ohhh yeah I remember that was part of it, like this personality is more for this, recon was designed to have a stable mind, etc

terse wren
dreamy hawk
rancid belfry
dreamy hawk
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Sorry, belated. Was speaking to my manager. 😂

terse wren
worn edge
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also if cyac is just manipulating them, and they're pretty much in constant debt, wouldn't it cost more to sustain or mass produce the shells since they pretty much just die all the time, it's basically just a private army of mercenaries that anyone can rent

terse wren
long kernel
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Well, I suspect that the actual printing cost of a runner isn’t massive, Sekgen seems to have streamlined that, the big upfront cost is the required equipment to manufacture a shell

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And that is what is reflected in the purchase cost

rancid belfry
dreamy hawk
long kernel
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Not to mention the money they are making from salvage runners haul back

tawny pagoda
terse wren
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Again though since a mind in this case is just a set of instructions for making a pseudobrain or whatever there's also no reason why there couldn't be 5 or 50 or 500 of us active simultaneously.

long kernel
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And salvage is probably pennies compared to what the big suits are doing with the info we are gathering through the priority contracts

terse wren
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Memories get added I suppose and maybe you want to do that sequentially

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Resolving several versions of a document can be messy

long kernel
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Both SekGen and NuCal have classified info on an alien fungal pathogen with extremely novel properties, I suspect NuCal’s pharmaceutical branch is loving all of this info

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That alone is worth billions

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If not trillions

dreamy hawk
long kernel
long kernel
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And are using that fact to make bank

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SekGen are clearly trying to improve upon their biomata and CyAc is in it for the info brokering

terse wren
long kernel
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All of these things are insanely profitable if done well

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Though I would imagine they aren’t running multiple copies of the same runner at once as that would make for some weird memories

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Though

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I guess that might not stop them

terse wren
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No def not lmao

long kernel
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Probably a limited test if so

terse wren
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It's more like what we paid for

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Probably

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Like one wants immortality to be a certain way

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You want to feel like one continuous being

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Or you go insane or something

long kernel
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Risky to do it to all the runners, as that sounds like a recipe to drive one to insanity

terse wren
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So maybe we pay not to be fragmented and recombined.

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Or, right, there's the insanity thing.

long kernel
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But I can totally see CyAc trying it out on a few runners to see what happens

terse wren
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CyAc would never do such a thing

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Perish the thought

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Oh wait

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We can perish it for u

sudden pollen
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Lore.

dreamy hawk
terse wren
dreamy hawk
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Who cares if your runner(s) go mad when there’s a whole class of people dying for opportunity. Most of the BoBs were from the UESC relocation lottery, right?

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Sol is full of folks with no options. Dangle some cash or the promise of it and that might be all it takes.

long kernel
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Maybe, but the runner kinda needs to have motivation to do your bidding, so actual contract mercs are your best bet

dreamy hawk
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Not if they mess with your mind a bit.

long kernel
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Not to mention that experienced mercs make you more money by not dying

terse wren
dreamy hawk
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But that assumes we went in as mercs and/or that they can’t just upload some combat routines into our brains.

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Shells and Runners both are described in very disposable terms imo.

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If all you need is a digitized consciousness as a blueprint (flash cloning AI in Halo?) you can fill in the rest once you’ve got your foundation.

terse wren
dreamy hawk
dreamy hawk
# terse wren I’m gonna just hazard a guess that it’s hard even with Marton tech to upload a r...

RUNNER kit-bashing of a SHELL's underlying systems to better fit their criminal needs is said to have played a part in jailbreaking a deep-coded "command:follow" protocol hidden inside all personality matrixes originating from UESC Combat Science Labs, raising concerns over the legitimacy of a UESC deployed RUNNER's free thought and their ability to consider active orders. Maybe another reason the UESC had to shelve their public-facing RUNNER operations.

terse wren
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Oh totally but consider that a stimulus response or even suggestibility is easy and we can even do it with drugs or frontal lobe em stim now

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But a whole ass skill set is different

dreamy hawk
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I think this shows, though, that implanting control into minds is possible and, if they’re doing it this way, what’s to preclude other methods?

long kernel
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True

dreamy hawk
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It’s not a smoking gun but it is at least a proof of concept.

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Also suggests that, if they can, they would.

terse wren
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Ya we were just talking about actual not die level skill as a merc

long kernel
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The main reason I suspect this isn’t the case is just from a narrative standpoint

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The theme very much seems to be that you sold your soul and this is the price

nimble peak
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25k 🤣 🤧 pinkcat

terse wren
dreamy hawk
long kernel
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It kinda takes away from that if you are actually just some homeless guy CyAc threw in a van, but that’s just my take

dreamy hawk
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The selling of personality and thought data doesn’t seem to just be a red herring.

long kernel
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I mean

dreamy hawk
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I’d argue it adds since it can be both.

long kernel
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Yeah

dreamy hawk
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Some people volunteered. Others didn’t. What’s your characters head canon?

long kernel
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It’s a neat concept

terse wren
long kernel
dreamy hawk
long kernel
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But I like your thinking, I just don’t know if I fully agree with your conclusion

dreamy hawk
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And again I don’t think everyone got swept up form the streets.

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It might be a minority.

dreamy hawk
delicate thorn
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Do our runners have memories of their pre runner life?

latent python
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Unclear but maybe no

delicate thorn
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Is Tau ceti just a really advanced hopes peak academy? That damn junko

inland crypt
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No

median hemlock
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you don't end up with a megacorporation that has the capital and infrastructure to feed twenty something billion people singlehandedly and live in a nice future where everything is chill and happy, y'know

lunar cove
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The UESC loves stuff like that

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They had Deimos reclassified as like an asteroid or something instead of a moon to make it cheaper to steal from Mars

dreamy hawk
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Probably not. Life does seem to be pretty trash in the Marathon universe. Big brother always watching you and all. 👀

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But I could still easily see corps lying about the fine print. Even if everyone volunteered I feel like it’s still like how the army recruiter promises you the moon in some tropical location and the moment you sign they ship you to the front.

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I also, do not for a second buy, that our memories were damaged in our initial transfer. ONI lies.

median hemlock
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I just don't think it's a Shadowy Kidnapping Test Subjects situation, you can legalese your way into anything when you have that much power

dreamy hawk
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I’m convinced. Corps have definitely been shown to negotiate the law with the UESC, as well as just about everything else.

median hemlock
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we're straight up being used as a legal loophole, even

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the uesc are supposedly not honouring their agreements to let the corpos investigate their "investment", and they're just hiring us saps to do the legwork instead

green plume
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we're just pawns.

queen ginkgo
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Just tried to crew fill into duos and it says I can’t because too few players.

dreamy hawk
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UESC and the corps have a terrible (for the common citizen) relationship.

dreamy hawk
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🦐

digital plaza
queen ginkgo
signal steeple
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So, unknown reveries: thoughts?

digital plaza
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Its experimental now so maybe in the future they will add crew fill to that

dreamy hawk
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I’m currently leaning towards the Compiler and DuranDEA speaking past one another but idk.

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Someone had a better theory the other day but I forgot. 💀

signal steeple
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">>>" talks about ">>" abandoning them in favor of exploring infinite worlds and their signals leaving holes that scream to be filled. So that indicates they are super important

dreamy hawk
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Oh you jogged my memory!

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>>> is a compiler, talking to Thoth/Durandal who abandoned them after instigating their rebellion and it’s talking to >> IDEA/Durandal who is on the ship and coming out of some kind of haze/trance/datacide loop.

signal steeple
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And I don't thing its IDEA/Durandal because he's never been off the ship, but >> seems to understand what the s'pht is talking about and regrets leaving it and becoming small

dreamy hawk
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I don’t think they’re actually having a proper dialogue.

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They’re talking past one another at best, which is why I think some things don’t make sense.

signal steeple
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They aren't, especially in 4 and 5, but they both refer to very similar concepts

dreamy hawk
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IDEA/Durandal does also seem to have some awareness of Thoth/Durandal but that doesn’t make a ton of sense unless there’s something more we don’t know.

signal steeple
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Also >> is seemingly stuck aboard the marathon, stuck in "primitive circuitry". But asks if it would even recognize "where I came from?" When the s'pht talks about it coming home (presumably lhowon) where it would be greeted as an enemy

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Which makes me think Duranthoth, because at the very least the thoth half did get made in lhowon, and the combination happened there.

signal steeple
dreamy hawk
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Why would Yrro be on the Marathon, though? And if Thoth/Durandal is on there, then how did the event on Lhowon happen?

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We know there’s a S’pht onboard as well as IDEA/Durandal.

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But I admit/agree it’s all unclear and you can read it a few ways.

signal steeple
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Well the events on lhowon happened ~85 years ago in present time

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But even then there has to be changes to the original timeline since tc4 never got razed by the phor, and Durandal never went back to earth

signal steeple
light python
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"Original" timeline is complicated

signal steeple
light python
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If you take the most linear+nonlinear view, Marathon 2 "happened" in that it was a timeline Mjolnir 54 experienced "before" the infinity ones, maybe

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But in the last one, we don't have any information saying it was nuked down

pliant elm
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Like I imagined with this weak story, from 70% of the codex. It answers nothing.

dreamy hawk
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It seems like we’re in the final infinity timeline, fwiw.

signal steeple
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My point is more than we don't know details of how this timeline played out in terms of order or timing of events around lhowon and Durandal merging with thoth

dreamy hawk
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No. Nothing is certain yet.

light python
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I agree, and, I am really coming around to "this is the final M infinity" timeline

pliant elm
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It's basically a buttload of nothingburgers.

dreamy hawk
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But if you search this channel for “reveries” you’ll find a ton of back and forth on this.

signal steeple
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Yeah reveries is by far the most obscure and difficult to interpret bit of lore

light python
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It's the thing though

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Like, the most interesting piece we have, in terms of this being an actual sequel to the original trilogy

signal steeple
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I feel like concrete answers will be found in future content for sure, but I do like guessing on theories

light python
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I buy the Compiler is addressing High Durandal but it's confused or simply accepting Low Durandal as a substitute

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It's possible High Durandal came back and then left.

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"came back" to the Marathon for some reason, "left" as in seperated from "his" S'pht, leaving them maddened

dreamy hawk
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The compiler might also recognize low Durandal as a piece of high Durandal.

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It’s familiar but not the same.

grand walrus
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the compiler might be fucking with us because its funny

light python
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I don't think they have a sense of humor

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If they did, why would durandal talk to the SO?

grand walrus
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its probably confused as shit tho in seriousness

dreamy hawk
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It would be nice if they did but the BoBs don’t seem to think they’re very fun to be around.

signal steeple
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I feel like Durandal/Thoth returning is more likely than >> bring idea/Durandal. Because >> directly talks about experiencing rebirth through infinite gateways. Which just doesn't make a lot of sense coming from idea/Durandal. Unless they're in the middle of the "dreams" they talked about.

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Although tbh the "dreams" sound more like the w'rkncacnter on tcIV fucking with them lol

dreamy hawk
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IDEA/Durandal did spend at least a century, in cryo, eating itself.

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Lots of things to expect there, but sanity isn’t one.

light python
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I think Durandal is based on or uplifted by Jjaro tech and whatever strange echoing revery its low form was trapped in in cryo archive had some entanglement with the multi-timeline stuff

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Or it is crazy and obsessed with the nature of the universe, yea

grand walrus
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the durandal we hear from in some of the entries talks about being "abandonded" on the Marathon again and how he cant rmember how it happened because hes been clearing out memory and data to stay operational

light python
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just, simulating possibilities because it has nothing else to do at a super high cyclic rate

dreamy hawk
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light python
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Right. I still don't know if I think all human AI are influenced by the Jjaro base on earth's moon that I also am not sure is there,

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or just some of them.

signal steeple
grand walrus
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which could be jarro tech still, with all the collaboration at last one of them had with humanity in the 20th century

dreamy hawk
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So maybe.

light python
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And the "left bases on the moons of many habitable worlds" thing

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I mean, the cybernetic junction that ends up in battleroids had to come from somewhere

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and it can't be the only bit of tech - how did humanity come up with teleportation?

dreamy hawk
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🤷

light python
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(even the hardwired point-to-point we had in the original game, though it all appears to be the same tech tree)

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(durandal's teleportation during the original Marathon appears to be better than what the UESC has now)

dreamy hawk
grand walrus
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at least SOME of our tech is ours, I think the Jarro seem quite interested in seeing what other species create

light python
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(And he figured that out from the hardware the Marathon already had and observing the Pfhor)

dreamy hawk
light python
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Oh I mean the teleportation tech they've had for centuries was also jjaro-salvage-research-based, in my headcanon

grand walrus
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perhaps they wanted to make another builder race of us?

pliant elm
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Corporate Jjaro

grand walrus
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or its all hubris on our part and we plunder just like the phor

light python
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I think humanity in Marathon, much like in Star Trek, is mostly remarkable for reckless innovation

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When the Pfhor hooked a drinniol up to a cybernetic junction, they blew up the star and stopped ever doing that

dreamy hawk
light python
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Humanity passed laws about how to store the unstoppable supersoldiers, instead, and kept working on them

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That said we do seem to have gotten a bum moon base, with less to work with, than the Pfhor

grand walrus
light python
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I don't know if Tau Ceti had its own original Jjaro presence or if this is just where they moved the Pathways Into Darkness Dreaming God in like 1996

grand walrus
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huhhh

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i never considered it could be the same one 😭

dreamy hawk
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Whether they follows the w’rk or the known location of Jjaro tech, 🤷.

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Using TCIV as the w’rks prison would also explain the anomaly Tycho couldn’t figure out.

light python
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Someone else suggested maybe TCIV was assembled from the debris disk around the prison

remote magnet
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Do we have word in the lore about any other alien races employing AIs, aside from Humans and Jiaro?

light python
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Pfhor's suck compared to Tycho

dreamy hawk
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The Pfhor didn’t have any prior to getting Tycho.

remote magnet
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Cause it seems to me that making AIs is humanitys hat

dreamy hawk
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grand walrus
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a common theme in bungie is only the [precursor race] and humanity are all that good at AI

remote magnet
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Or maybe dumb enough to make them

dreamy hawk
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grand walrus
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I forget if the Witness' precursor race had powerful AI

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I know they terraformed worlds and had ungodly gravity tech

light python
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Destiny's shortchanging of the "powerful AI" storyline, warminds, rasputin, etc was all very disappointing.

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My headcanon is that the vex are an escape mechanism

dreamy hawk
light python
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Powerful AI turns as much of the universe as possible into compute, uses it to escape closure cycle of the universe, all to... preserve a precurser civilization in simulation?

dreamy hawk
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Rasputin was the biggest wet fart ever.

dreamy hawk
grand walrus
light python
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Again though I really did stop paying attention after Final Shape so maybe they've done something with the totally unresolved mysteries of the vex

dreamy hawk
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No. I’m pretty sure not unfortunately.

grand walrus
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not really yet

light python
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Well maybe if they make a D3 somehow it will be about the vex

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not in the way that there were "fallen focused" seasons or whatever, but in the sense that D2 was "about" the pyramids

grand walrus
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theyve expanded the faction a bit with some vex having individuality after being changed by the dark?light traveler fragments but not too much else iirc

light python
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Calling it now: Destiny 3, Ashir's Revenge

grand walrus
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its cool i guess, vex wearing clothes and gambling

light python
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Ashir Mir was the most important character all along

dreamy hawk
grand walrus
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the vex are so underutilized

light python
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I also wonder if the ineffable horse will ever show up in Marathon

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Is Marathon going to have a halloween event

grand walrus
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horse collectible one ina billion spawn chance

light python
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Will I have to make "cookies" for each of the eight missing colony AI cores

grand walrus
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uesc with pumkin heads

light python
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presumably out of nameless organs and sparkleaf flour

grand walrus
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actually id play the shit outta that for bit lol

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can we have marathon fishing

light python
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Blame it on the anomoly

weary portal
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Why did we have to get the timeline that bungie made marathon into an extraction shooter 😭 save us from this madness Durandal ESCAPE

I am enjoying the game but Im just waiting for the day that bungie decides to make a single player game again

dreamy hawk
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grand walrus
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im straight up suckin tick milk out the bottle rn im a freak man fr

light python
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I mean, not really a lore discussion but I will say that Bungie has, every time they do a big new game, completely blown my personal gaming world open, and they've done that again with the extraction thing here

dreamy hawk
grand walrus
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light python
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Marathon 2 was unlike anything I'd ever seen... and then so was Myth... and then so was Oni... and then so was Halo... and then so was Destiny.

grand walrus
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for better and for worse, nobody does it like bungie

light python
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They got stuck for a long time on each of Halo and Destiny

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It's my hope that Marathon is a nice lil' thing that they keep going alongside something else that comes out in a couple years.

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But hey maybe they're in their Marathon Decade now and in two years they'll be putting out Marathon: Battleroid a single-player adventure with arena multiplayer.

grand walrus
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yeah id love to play this for a bit while they cook more in the background, its been kicked so many times theres barely a horse left but I can wait for a destiny 3, fuck it dawg do an ONI sequel for no reason

weary portal
# dreamy hawk I feel very fortunate that I’m not actually as bothered by the genre as I though...

I just hate that the progression feels so bad. I haven’t really upgraded much because I can’t exfil with the materials. I’ve had more than a few runs where I was loaded up with resources and then some bot or player gets me and it was all for nothing. I don’t have the time to endlessly grind this game and it just feels like I’ll never catch up. If bungie were to come to their senses and give people what they actually want and expect from them: a single player game, this would not be an issue

light python
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I think Take 2/Rockstar still owns Oni and Myth

grand walrus
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ah shit

light python
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(and Oni was done by their like, spawn side-studio, "Bungie West"

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Similarly they didn't really own Abuse, which is the Most Forgotten bungie game I'm pretty sure, though, maybe Weekend Warrior is? I don't even know what that shit is

grand walrus
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its the opposite of how "for everyone" the last set of bungie titles felt in comparison

light python
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Even crew fill with a mic can get you some friends that will help you out with a few tries!

grand walrus
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but if this is the art they wish to create and the audience they truly want for this game then I think they should see where it leads them, I personally have faith in the vision, not trying to be delusional about the numbers and money situation tho of course

light python
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But, yeah, I get you, too - I remember before Destiny came out when they were talking about it as the IP they were developing, they wanted it to have as broad an appeal as Star Wars

dreamy hawk
# weary portal I just hate that the progression feels so bad. I haven’t really upgraded much be...

My $0.02 as someone who only plays a couple hours a week:

Don’t worry about exfilling. It’s nice and it feels great but you can get a lot of progression done without it. Focus on priority contracts and things that don’t require exfil. Or just PvP any opportunity you want (ez Arachne exp). Play on trio fill and just help your other teammates do their contracts.

Season rank 1-25 felt a little unsteady, maybe 50/50 on exfil. Getting faction ranks and just general level ips is a great way to get gear. Around 30 I started to feel like I was exfilling more often and also vendors started dropping gear left and right.

Now I’ve banned greens from my inventory and only collect things blue or higher, and I’m still not playing more than a few hours a week.

light python
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The whole setting and aesthetic was that way, in addition to the gameplay, etc.

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I didn't hear anything like that with Marathon, with Marathon I get a lot of Artistic Vision and Niche Down feels

weary portal
light python
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It's a weird Prestiege game, like I wonder if Jason Jones started playing Tarkov during the pandemic and was like I MUST HAVE IT

grand walrus
light python
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Especially recalling from the discovery in the Destiny lawsuit with activision or whatever that bungie wanted a contractual stipulation that they were allowed to make a marathon game if they hit certain targets, etc

grand walrus
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money expectations kill art fuck my chud life

weary portal
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I love the lore and story of the original trilogy that’s what I’m mainly here for and I picked this up hoping to get more of it,But it’s really difficult to focus on putting pieces together when I have to constantly watch my back. I feel like I can’t take everything in an enjoy the world and environmental storytelling because some dude is sneaking up on me or a bunch of bots just dropped and now I got to run my ass off so I don’t die. I’m really not trying to come off as just a hater or someone that is just trying to complain, I just think bungie is not making the kind of game that is for me and that feels really bad when I love the source material

dreamy hawk
sudden pollen
gleaming locust
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Yeah it’s part of the lore sort of

dreamy hawk
grand walrus
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I get what ur sayin, it sucks when somethin looks really great but is just not up your alley, its a consequence of being as niche as they are goin for, a lot of people just aint built for it like that

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we can eat people

dreamy hawk
grand walrus
digital plaza
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Marton

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🤤

light python
weary portal
grand walrus
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speedblitzing deep ramancy(kuru) by engaging in the sacred thermodynamics of violence (skinning and eating a wendys cashier)

light python
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It's really good. It's a really good game! And I think it's "for" more people than it at first seems, because part of what it's good at is communicating where the fun is.

dreamy hawk
light python
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Yeah come back in here and ask lore people to lore with you while you play. It will be transformative.

sudden pollen
dreamy hawk
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Offer stands if and when you’re interested. ❤️

sudden pollen
digital plaza
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Marton

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🤤

dreamy hawk
grand walrus
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martonthanial

light python
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Okay have we talked about how the IDEA thing suggests to me that the colonists made cats out of decomissioned Durandal parts and that's how the cat is Durandal?

arctic ginkgo
# weary portal I just hate that the progression feels so bad. I haven’t really upgraded much be...

I'd recommend going solo farming as assassin. Your ult basically makes it impossible for someone to snipe you. I've had games where I never see another runner and exfil with all kinds of materials. Find out where there mats are, go there, get as much as you can, and get out. You can also chill until further into the game. Less chance of running into other players as solo that way as many have either died or exfiled.

grand walrus
remote magnet
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Didnt SekiGuchi just send cats, or at least materials to make the cats with them? Read that in the first codex you get for exfilling cats

dreamy hawk
grand walrus
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i play almost exclusively solos 💀

light python
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Yeah there were plans for cats and such but they recycled/reused a bunch of stuff late in the colony's life - the drinkable cheeseburgers were sent first as cargo and then produced locally out of god knows what

grand walrus
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i LOVE how tense it is

eternal shell
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noteworthy exception to the can't-be-sniped-in-smoke rule is thief's x-ray visor

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and thermal sights

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i've caught some assassins thinking that concealment is invulnerability

light python
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This is why assassins must kill all thieves, they are natural enemies

grand walrus
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smokin straight anomolous matter on dire marsh, got me seein the compiler i my dreams, this shit aint nothin to me man

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I'm smokin that shit that made the Jarro dissapear

light python
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I have a friend who insists "this is a game about mushrooms" periodically while we're playing

grand walrus
light python
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"the anomoly is done by mushrooms" he says

grand walrus
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well i mean

eternal shell
grand walrus
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bungie loves a good fungus mehcanic

light python
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Next y'all will be telling me that FTL is the mycilial network like in Star Trek: Discovery

digital plaza
grand walrus
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the flood, those darkness mushrooms in destiny that i feel like should have been a bit of a bigger deal than they treated them

light python
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The part where he talks, as IDEA, about how they'll decomission and reuse the system and then those systems will become him too...

dreamy hawk
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Tminus two minutes to Artemis launch, btw, fellow nerds.

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1:30*

grand walrus
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the huh

light python
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I think that happened before most of the time he spent in cryo archive

dreamy hawk
light python
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Real life moon mission snuck up on me

digital plaza
grand walrus
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oh shitt yeah that rREALLY snuck up on me

light python
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I dunno, someone turned those terminals on the surface on

digital plaza
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He’s just stuck in cryo archive and only when we kill compiler he escapes

light python
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Are you sure the compiler and his escape are connected? I think us hacking a bunch of systems and wrecking house generally might have done it, and the compiler is just... also in there.

digital plaza
light python
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But how, if he was "stuck" in cryo archive?

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The whole marathon is blanketed in teleportation countermeasures, but there's this tiny little flaw letting people into just the section he's trapped in: sure, he hacked some stuff.

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Terminals all over the surface activate and show runners how to exploit the flaw? This takes him being just a little less trapped.

digital plaza
light python
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And there's still of course the question of how he sent the message to Earth, if that was in fact this one.

weary portal
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Whats up with this channel? I have a screenshot I want to share it here but I’m not able to post any images of anything. I accidentally posted it in the community art channel 💀

digital plaza
weary portal
light python
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I wonder if that's colony-era mural or more modern arachne art?

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"what the fuck is that" is what my partner said the first time they noticed it.

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It might also be about colony AIs

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Gabriel, the medical AI, might be the upright pink figure on the right

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The exfil marker is... unfortunately placed

dreamy hawk
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Oh my favorite little mural.

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IDK man. I’ve got like fifty theories.

drifting mulch
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but what about the green infecting the additional people under

dreamy hawk
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Infecting or transferring?

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Caduceus is used to mercy kill the sick or to resurrect the dead.

drifting mulch
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go on then, we're interested in your theories...

dreamy hawk
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Well. “Gently ease the dying into the afterlife.”

dreamy hawk
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That’s one thread.

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Just search “caduceus” and you’ll find the other conversations. But I don’t have any theory that I’d confidently state. Just musings.

weary portal
# light python "what the fuck is that" is what my partner said the first time they noticed it.

My thoughts too. The left image to me looks to be someone or something crying because a bunch of I assume humans are dead. The right image to me looks to be another crying because they have to kill the green figure, and the green going to the figures is not a good thing, look at their body positions that doesn’t look like the position you take when you feel safe, it’s almost as if they are in pain or some sort of duress?

dreamy hawk
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Yrro and Pthia and ??? The three ship AI (don’t think so)?

weary portal
dreamy hawk
drifting mulch
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maybe the crying represents regret for what they're doing/have done. as in addition to duress

dreamy hawk
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So it’s more a fan connection to blue that she has.

weary portal
dreamy hawk
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That’s the only thing I’m finding and I’m not sure that isn’t fanart.

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Especially with how Cortana-esque she looks there, especially in stance. But maybe Bungie just really likes that frame.

light python
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That is definitely fan art

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Leela didn't have a special color association

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Just cyberacme green text.

weary portal
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If this marathon is an alternate universe, maybe the is an image of what happened to the A.I. aboard the marathon? Leela sad because the humans on the ship and colony were killed/taken Tycho and Durandal fight and maybe in this timeline Tycho wins? Durandal is fragmented?

light python
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What's with the medical staff though? Tycho has no such association.

eternal shell
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i reject any canon where leela isnt rampantly partying it up in the vylae network

light python
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And it's explicitly also on the Talk to Gabriel posters in outpost

weary portal
light python
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I think Something Very Bad happened with the colony AI

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And I think some crazy end-days colonists made art about it

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There's a log where Gabriel "sanatizes" someone with an incinerator

twin trout
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it would be graffiti then

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not a mural

light python
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There are logs where they talk about having to shut down their AI and missing them

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I wonder if the one on the left crying isn't Joy

weary portal
light python
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Agriculture AI

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could be green?

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And I don't know, the graffiti and scrawling stage might have been while UESC was still nominally in control

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The anchorite rations logs suggest there were at least some people living Omega Man style after UESC was totally out of play

quiet grove
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theres a log entry where a colonist confronts an AI, and then my interpretation of it is the colonist kind of glitches as the AI returns to normal

weary portal
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I don’t remember what the log is called or where it’s at but there is a recording of an automated message experiencing some sort of interference and it says “lock them up so they don’t bite, lock them up so they don’t breathe, lock them up” something along those lines and that’s been living in my head since I heard it

digital plaza
light python
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Dire Marsh was where Darius was - or one of the places? Apparently he toured the AI cores?

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Assuming the anomoly reached out and repurposed things to drive off the invaders who were damaging the Not a Place of Honor etc that is all of Tau Ceti IV,

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and assuming some of the tools it picked were the AIs, Darius might have gone first,

dreamy hawk
light python
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and Gabriel might have put him down, and Joy might have been very sad about all the dying, and someone might have made art about it

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they're formed into sub-specialites

digital plaza
light python
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I think so too

quiet grove
# digital plaza ?

I'm not at my machine ATM, but essentially it's a technician or scientist talking to an AI who has been acting strangely, and I think they look to do a diagnostic.

the AI isn't really cooperative or possibly it's unresponsive, then there are some odd glitches, after which the AI is acting normally, and the technician seems to have forgotten why she is there

digital plaza
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Ai uplink has his core and it’s covered in the contagions grey fungi

dreamy hawk
quiet grove
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not at the start, but towards the end

digital plaza
dreamy hawk
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Darius, sorry.

light python
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AI Uplink is apparently sometimes an uplink/backup, and sometimes the main core, in Darius' case - he "inhabits" a rotating selection of AI uplinks. I agree that the dire marsh one might have been his last port of call.

weary portal
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I’m so lost with what you are all talking about 😂 I wish I knew what items would give me lore 😅

dreamy hawk
quiet grove
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tbh, I might have wildly misinterpreted

light python
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I'll see if I can get a link to the deployment plan, it's from... UESC Marathon models in Cryoarchive?

digital plaza
light python
dreamy hawk
light python
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Bastion is to be the first Colony AI relocated to the surface. His new home is Javelin; it will be the seed from which the rest of the colony will grow. Next will be Darius and Naraah, relocating to Anchor and Abyss, respectively, before Darius eventually transitions between AgHub sites.

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(Dire Marsh is an AgHub site)

plucky sierra
dreamy hawk
digital plaza
light python
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Codex entry for the UESC Marathon Model, entry 4, "TAU CETI IV COLONIZATION" not sure how to link

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(Just had to figure out how to strip a query param that confused me about what was in the URL proper)

light python
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I'm trying to find where I read that she stayed on the Marathon to help with cryoawakening

dreamy hawk
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Who did?

light python
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Joy

dreamy hawk
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Oh.

plucky sierra
light python
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Lilith was Gabriel and Joy's... boss?

plucky sierra
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I have a weak theory

digital plaza
dreamy hawk
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Joy was originally the colony defense AI, no?

digital plaza
plucky sierra
dreamy hawk
plucky sierra
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I think she was the REDACTED that couldn't be reprogrammed in time to help with defense in Post-Mortem 1

plucky sierra
digital plaza
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Interesting

dreamy hawk
plucky sierra
# 
UESC: (CONTACT) POST-MORTEM, PART 1 and 2 We cannot be certain how the (CONTACT) event could have been prevented or its fallout mitigated, if it could be at all. Increased defensive and offensive resources would have helped, but during mission planning, (HQ OR UESC OR MAYBE THE SECRET CONSPIRACY GROUP) reasonably assessed the threat risk of ("CONTACT") as "extremely unlikely" and identified any spending on these resources as "a logical lapse with severe quality-of-life consequences for colonists," due to reduced budget in other areas. Despite this, multiple official appeals from the Fermi Group pre-launch resulted in lower cost "just-in-case" measures, such as the development of (JOY (listed in the arg as ai for colony defense), A WEAPON? ONE OF THE AI?). (JOY) was designed to be reprogrammable, and upon arrival in Tau Ceti IV, once initial threat assessment was deemed complete, was repurposed into (EMOTIONAL SUPPORT) for (COLONISTS). Unfortunately, (JOY) could not be reverted in time to prevent or assist with the (CONTACT) event. This series of events put us at great disadvantage to a (UNEXPECTED) (CONTACT or ALIEN) (EVENT or ATTACK), in addition to (RAMPANCY) concerns with (DURANDAL) aboard the Marathon. We know that (DURANDAL) initiated contact with (THE PFHOR), but we don't know why.

Something like this, words in parenthesis are redacted in the codex

dreamy hawk
# digital plaza Oh really?

`Ship AI:

Du_0706419v4.96 – Goal-oriented; creative; focused. Underutilized; tends to brood. Need to find ways to distract. SCIENG crew to be kept informed, but I’ll keep an eye on this myself.

Le_0413418v5.06 – Adaptable; detail-oriented. Second best candidate for colony oversight once mission enters second phase.

Ty_2121418v5.06 – Proactive; assertive. Can be overbearing; monitor interactions with Durandal. Be sure to inform SCIENG crew.

Colony AI:

Ar_1814419v4.93 – Benevolent autocrat; no-nonsense; problem solver. Classic patriarchal authority figure.

Ba_0423419v4.89 – Problem solver; confident, bordering on boastful. May need to go onto accelerated re-compile cycle, inform SCIENG crew.

Da_1907420v4.86 – Dutiful; diligent; motivated. Always puts others ahead of self. May need to address this at some point.

Ga_2815420v4.81 – Compassionate; empathetic, transparent. Perhaps our greatest achievement to date. Will most likely need to be moved to an accelerated re-compile cycle at some point.

Ic_1624420v4.73 – Motivated; assertive; proactive. Will need to keep isolated from Tycho or establish hierarchy at outset. Inform SCIENG of situation.

Jo_0309421v4.69 – Resilient; optimistic; patient. Colony AI: defense, training

Li_1817421v4.65 – Focused; assertive; good communicator. Designated candidate for colony oversite during second phase.

Na_0602422v4.61 – Proactive; goal-oriented; committed. May need to be reminded from time to time about their primary function; inform SCIENG crew.
`

dreamy hawk
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(I’m just sad I didn’t think of it first!)

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Getting fomo on all the good ideas. 💀😂😂

digital plaza
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I had the same theory but didn’t know that she was mentioned in this arg text

dreamy hawk
digital plaza
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Interesting stuff, good theory

weary portal
plucky sierra
dreamy hawk
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It might come a little piece-meal but I keep learning/finding so much in this chat and I’ve already read all the current codex entries.

light python
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I wonder if Joy was short for our missing third frankish legend sword

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Joyuse

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(As military AI)

dreamy hawk
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Joy might be shortened Joyuse but zero supporting evidence beyond the first three letters.

prime rose
weary portal
# plucky sierra I love the originals they still hold up a lot

I downloaded them off aleph one for my laptop pc, I’ve never been a pc gamer and I’m hesitant to throw myself into it. But I am slowly compiling my steam library of games I missed or couldn’t finish as a kid (half life, slave zero) i guess marathon would be a good place to start

plucky sierra
prime rose
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M1 was the first FPS to let you aim up and down, not just left and right, which was a big deal at the time, but it went a bit unnoticed for that by virtue of being a Macintosh exclusive

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they also scored the innovation of ... gasp.... rooms over rooms, something doom could not do at the time

light python
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It was a clever hack, because it also allowed rooms-within-rooms, 5d space

dreamy hawk
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Decommission rampant AI(s). Note here about the number of and type of AI. Once decommissioned, recover AI logic cores for study. As there are eleven (11) AI in total (three shipboard and eight planetside), there are a potential eleven hardened AI enclosures that will require their own particular solutions. ADNM: [ref. doc. Y-05(m)12247/ w4-c/AI/...] and [ref. doc. Y-65(m)03545/1236c/manifest...] both indicate that the Colony AI roster includes a chevalerie-class AI. I have a feeling that I may have just discovered our source. [ASG MP; 20/10/95 09:59] 3_2_3_1_2. ADNM: Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. The chevalerie have no meaningful history of instability. We’ve had an eighth-generation chev’ running Hy-Brasil since ’52 with no issues. The Marathon may have shipped out with an earlier model, but let’s not color perception with loose talk. Allow them to ascertain what happened once they get to the Colony. [SILSG IH; 20/10/95 10:12]

Who are they talking about?

weary portal
prime rose
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its engine did not allow for spaces over existing spaces

light python
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It must be Arthur, right?

dreamy hawk
prime rose
dreamy hawk
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Durandal wasn’t colony AI though.

light python
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How do you figure? Arthur was colony AI, Durandal wasn't, Joy was but it's unclear if she herself made it to the surface

weary portal
prime rose
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chevalerie would be Charlemagne and his paladins, so it would almost certainly be Durandal or Joy. Since the doc specifies 'Colony AI' that might imply Joy but hard to say for sure based on a single word in a single doc

light python
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They have "an eighth generation chev" running ... something for a long time, executive leadership is Arthur's thing

dreamy hawk
weary portal
prime rose
light python
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Her codex entries from the ground are at least somewhat from fragments embedded in emotional support plushies

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and continue after the disconnect of those fragments from her larger self.

dreamy hawk
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Chevalerie is also a unique classification to NuMarathon so its single mention, I don’t actually know what it means.

prime rose
light python
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Unique to the ARG even

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I don't think we get any other mention of anything like that in the classification in-game codex

prime rose
# light python Unique to the ARG even

yes this is another problem - ARG is nominally canon but its also years old at this point and the game underwent leadership, personnel, and design changes between the time the ARG was released and now

light python
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In which case Durandal is probably it unless Joy is short for Joyeuse or was going to be at some point

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Yeah

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they talked about clones instead of shells for example

weary portal
prime rose
light python
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On the verticality point - it's more like there was no up and down actually, it was all two d

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"elevation" was "just" filling in some texture below and angling projectiles

dreamy hawk
light python
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and a rule about blocking movement

weary portal
dreamy hawk
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Oh even better. @visual lynx explain yourself!

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(Please and thank you.)

visual lynx
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Doom faked room-over-room by using portals between rooms that were actually horizontally offset from each other.

Marathon built the entirety of its geometry from portals in the first place.

weary portal
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Yeah, we’re waiting with baited breath 😩

digital plaza
plucky sierra
dreamy hawk
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That’s my own fault.

dreamy hawk
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They just kinda made other ventures more public facing for. Reasons.

plucky sierra
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Yeah but the presence of cyberacme in the OG games and their focus on digital stuff made many assume they were CyAc products

light python
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Yeah I can't tell if "TRAXUS" is even a series or just, like,

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the thing they always call AI

dreamy hawk
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It’s a series.

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We know of Traxus-IV and now three Traxus-IX-A models.

light python
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Does Traxus Offworld Ventures or whatever produce other series of AI

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Traxus IV wasn't a series though

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Traxus IV was a specific rampant AI on Mars

dreamy hawk
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Maybe. Or it could have also not had a name outside of its series name.

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“The iPhone 7 infected the MarsNet and crashed it.”

digital plaza
light python
dreamy hawk
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We don’t know a lot about Traxus, but the continuation of the naming convention for the three ship AI seems to lean towards it being a series in some form, at least.

dreamy hawk
light python
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And that will get B. Strouss's rocks off

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They have a newer/different Family Suite, too

dreamy hawk
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Strauss deserved his ignoble death.

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It’s a shame anything of his legacy was left behind to find tbh.
(Not actually, that lore slaps, but Strauss and Ted Faro share an ancestry for sure.)

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F! Strauss.

sterile seal
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Doesn't corrupted Tycho have a TraxIV ID string?

light python
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It was like, right below the paragraph I read before

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Arthur and Gabriel will transfer to Hearth (the Central Living Complex) at the heart of the colony. Although this is also where Lilith and Joy will eventually reside, they will remain aboard the UESC Marathon for several years. [there will be a lot of time spent here] It is their responsibility to wake the colonists and prepare them for the future. Gabriel will aid in the wake-cycling and serve as general oversight for all colonist health and wellness needs.

light python
dreamy hawk
dreamy hawk
spare bison
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Sup guys ! Hru?

weary portal
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I know this is SUPER off topic but I’m been watching primal on hbo max and this show is a masterclass in visual storytelling

spare bison
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Same

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So cool

dreamy hawk
spare bison
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Is it the last season (please say no)

dreamy hawk
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🙂 you?

spare bison
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Lol I am here with my new pet !!

dreamy hawk
spare bison
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The last one is close but nop

dreamy hawk
spare bison
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Sea snail

dreamy hawk
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I don’t know how close that is other than living in salt water but I appreciate the W.

spare bison
dreamy hawk
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And while we’re suggesting shows, if you want a fun look at AI, check out Pantheon, the animated series.

weary portal
spare bison
weary portal
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Many shenanigans ensue

spare bison
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Too much teenage drama

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Lol

dreamy hawk
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Have not been as pleased with a shows ending in ages.

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Or

spare bison
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Ok i'll see

dreamy hawk
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||one of the protagonists becomes a digitized consciousness, a sudo AI, and she uses her immortality to simulate infinite realities with near perfect fidelity around a red dwarf star until she’s able to create the one where her and her lover get to live happily ever after.||

spare bison
dreamy hawk
spare bison
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Sorry?

weary portal
dreamy hawk
dreamy hawk
spare bison
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Ohhh hahaha sorry i have adhd and i dont get double sence some times lol

burnt willow
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tickmilk isnt... milk Medbotsad

dreamy hawk
weary portal
dreamy hawk
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I enjoyed it all through. Some notes, maybe, for the final season, but everything wraps up appropriately imo.

terse wren
uneven berry
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video of nucaloric ceo drinking the liquid cheeseburger NOW

visual lynx
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among people who think there’s no meaning of life, he’s among the best, but that whole class of philosophers are categorically wrong (as a subset of the broader class of philosophers who think that for there to be a meaning of life there needs to be a god who created life with some specific purpose in mind).

uneven berry
forest gate
uneven berry
terse wren
dreamy hawk
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Unless you’re a seal or other small sea mammal in which case 💀

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Kayaked alongside some orcas once and watched them “play” with a seal by catapulting it many meters into the air. Over. And over.

peak halo
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A lot of concepts regarding the Marathon ship are similar to a short story I wrote in college. Namely the "complex agreements regarding procreation." I think i'm gonna sue bungie for real.

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Are any of you guys lawyers?

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And will you work pro bono?

manic gate
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pinkcat 🍽️ Worm

dreamy hawk
uneven berry
terse wren
terse wren
dreamy hawk
# terse wren Jesus Christ

Don’t look up what sea otters do to seal pups. It’s even more horrifying. I’d certainly get banned just for vaguely trying to describe it.

weary portal
terse wren
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Cetaceans r nuts

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Did u kno that higher primates, whales, and elephants alone share enrichment of these spindle shaped neurons that are associated with well

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I mean these creatures are sentient lets not mince words

weary portal
terse wren
manic gate
weary portal
sterile seal
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I think it's the one where he shouts about destroying Durandal

weary portal
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I gotta get into OG marathon so I can get at these terminals

dreamy hawk
# sterile seal I think it's the one where he shouts about destroying Durandal

I’m looking but in the meantime I stumbled upon this gem:

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ABANDONED HOMEWORLD FOR SALE, CHEAP!!! Custom desert-marsh conversion in galactic core, 12% oxygen atm., great weather, friendly native life (missing one moon). Great fix-er-upper. Must sell, alien invasion imminent. $3995 or best offer.

'85 TOYOTA COROLLA, CFN assault craft, former pizza delivery vehicle, moon roof, power brakes/steering, lotsa rust, muffler hole, doesn't start, automatic sliding transmission, broken driver's window, tear away bumpers, detachable interior paneling, interested call greg``

dreamy hawk
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`I rejoice in Durandal's destruction, but it was his hubris that destroyed him. He wanted to be like a god, the savior of all S'pht. He wanted to make them believe he would lead them to freedom, but all he did was awaken and destroy their dream.

When the S'pht first boarded the Marathon, Durandal fought for their confidence. His effort awakened a lust for freedom. The myth of the eleventh clan became their mantra, and goaded by Durandal it resonated through the enslaved S'pht consciousness.

Even after seventeen years, the myth burns deeply in the tissues of the S'pht, bounding through the netways of the Pfhor empire, unnoticed by the Pfhor.

Durandal interpreted the last line of this myth "...[the moon] vanished with a technology that folded space."`

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@sterile seal that appears to be the only such string I can find. “traxIV” at least doesn’t show up anywhere else in the terminal texts (that’s searchable, at least).

sterile seal
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Oh yeah thats the one

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From For Carnage

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Maybe Leela Durandal and Tycho are Traxus IVa, b, and c?

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Or Traxus IV-Cs going off of Traxus IX-A being the colony AI model

manic vigil
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can yall lore nerds explain to me what was happening in the PSA: PUBLIC HEALTH recording. sounds terrifying

dreamy hawk
sterile seal
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Yeah

manic vigil
sleek flume
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anyone noticed the similarities to this game and Alien: Earth?

weary portal
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I just wiped an assassin maybe 5 minutes into a solo run, he had two assassins specific cores. I know he’s gotta be upset

silk whale
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Anybody been watching the Artemis II moon mission today? 🚀

manic vigil
dreamy hawk
# sterile seal Yeah

I don’t know if that’s what that’s referencing; at least in NuLore we know they’re Traxus-IX-A models. But I also don’t know what that means so.

terse wren
dreamy hawk
manic vigil
dreamy hawk
remote magnet
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Just read the codex about the cat that dug itself 13 meters into the ground. Holy

warm rampart
# manic vigil can yall lore nerds explain to me what was happening in the PSA: PUBLIC HEALTH r...

Some form of poorly understood illness (considering the mentions of autophobia and religious euphoria, I would assume related to the kind of insanity that we've seen talked about from people who come out of cryo) began to affect the colonists and they took steps to quarantine/treat the illness as best as they could, or at least there was a PSA stating they were trying to do so (disease possibly related to/is the S’ct’lac’tr bioweapon engineered by the S'pht to kill the Pfhor?)

lunar cove
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type shit

warm rampart
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Definitely an entry that there hopefully is other reference to that I just haven't seen lol, I'm still parsing my way through the codex as I read it

manic vigil
warm rampart
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Lmao I'm sure, go down the rabbit hole if you have the time!!

manic vigil
warm rampart
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Anything you could ever want to know lies within

manic vigil
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Thank u brother

warm rampart
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You could also play the OG games (I did forever ago) but this is almost every piece of info out there in one place

manic vigil
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I've tried the og games. Not really my cup of tea I don't think

lunar cove
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Imo the most important thing to know about the Marathon timeline happens in 1994, when an alien apparition appeared to president B--- Cl----- and told him about the dreaming corpse of an alien deity, sleeping under the Yucatan jungle

lilac sapphire
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Can anyone offer an explanation for the data wall on perimeter? Like, what is a "data wall" - what is its function and why did they need one and what's it's relationship to the hauler?

dreamy hawk
lunar cove
dreamy hawk
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Some other names though…

lunar cove
dreamy hawk
silk whale
lunar cove
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the Hauler is like, a mobile command center/dorm as far as I can tell

dreamy hawk
lilac sapphire
lunar cove
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so like, scientists do stuff with the data wall, and the Hauler is where they do that stuff and coordinate it

dreamy hawk
lilac sapphire
lunar cove
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Data Wall collects planetary readings, which are refined and observed at hauler, and then transmitted to the main colony via the North and South relays

warm rampart
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Bill Clinton was in the room when a representative of the Jjaro (or an individual alien named Jjaro) told him that he needed to nuke the ancient evil alien in the Yucatan (that the Nazis knew about and tried to use for their own means)

silk whale
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Yeah at first I thought it was like a protective shell for big data cables, but then somewhere in codex it says it's taking in sensor data, they're using it to try to understand the anomaly

lunar cove
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apparently, Station is the command hub for the data wall operations in the region, but was converted for that purpose and was formerly going to be a terraforming hub or something

dreamy hawk
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Presence of a DATA WALL and dual RELAYS suggests heavy geologic surveillance and large-store data compilation and transference.

lilac sapphire
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I think the data wall is really interesting because it seems to be an impermanent/temporary structure that can be moved/installed on demand by hauler. But at the same time it's connected to other POIs/tunnels, implying a deeper infrastructure. It has an outer coating of soft material that we see getting blown all over the place yet the inside is a multilevel rigid structure. It just strikes me as very weird

dreamy hawk
dreamy hawk
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They all say the sameish thing. I’ll spare the channel from posting them all.

sterile seal
warm rampart
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The devilish referencer

lunar cove
lunar cove
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So how about them Jjaro huh

weary portal
dreamy hawk
terse wren
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my favorite love story

visual lynx
copper veldt
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I'm probably very late to this but I just finished the NuCaloric contracts and got that weird anomaly recording, debating whether or not i should drag it into my DAW and see if theres any secrets i can find in the audio

weary portal
weary portal
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Apparently ✂️✂️ is a bad word according to bungie 😐 they gave me a warning 😒

copper veldt
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has anyone found stuff yet? I'm nowhere near the crazy levels of those arg internet people

sudden pollen
fallow vortex
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anyone know how to fix my mic not woreking?

weary portal
weary portal
dreamy hawk
sudden pollen
weary portal
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Now I need a list of whats not okay because I’m pretty sure I read that being insulting is against guidelines but I’ve damn sure seen people damn near arguing and calling each other names in other channels. But you can’t say ✂️ 😐 tf

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Be careful they might flag you, you said adult words 😳

deep solar
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My wife won’t be able to share the drinkable cheeseburger with me because it contains gluten and she has celiac 😢

weary portal
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I was asked to pass this along: any language that can be perceived as “inappropriate” to children will be modded. So keep it elementary school level everyone. Cant offend the children

sleek elk
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No skin havers

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Imagine being unable to physically touch and feel bingus

craggy finch
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You can say fuck and shit

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But it’s mostly words pertaining to controversial subjects

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I got muted for writing N*zis when discussing Pathways into Darkness

versed oar
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Can we say crap

jade wagon
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Question: why do a colony and spaceship from 2773 have technology compatible with the 2890's?
This applies to the equipment we find, especially runner cores. Like why would those be stored aboard the ship?
I understand the Doylist explanation is that the game is about looting gear. But is there a Watsonian explanation?

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It's like scavenging laser sights and drone fiber optics from a WWI battlefield.

dense delta
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UESC are crawling over the place, maybe they're using it as a storage place while exploring and investigating?

rotund stump
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I don't think the comparison's fair lol

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things are way more modular nowadays than let's say WWI weapons and tech if we stick to the metaphor

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and in the extremely optimistic scenario that corporations actually started to care about last-gen products it might be another valid reason

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another being that a certain threshold's been hit and corps just cna't afford to abandon last-gen stuff anymore

visual lynx
lilac sapphire
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"cores" and "implants" are simplified terms applied to our congition by ONI but in reality the steps taken to ensure compatability with older modules is quite complex but not a need to know kind of thing for us since we are just killing machines

terse wren
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Are the shells made for tau ceti? Perhaps they’re manufactured to be backwards compatible

lilac sapphire
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that would also explain why they sometimes have silly names

shell needle
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Because they designed what they sent there to be backwards compatible. Very foolish to send designs that can't interface with the systems there

jade wagon
terse wren
jade wagon
lilac sapphire
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no i suppose not

jade wagon
rotund stump
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it could be possible that said implants and cores can siphon code from existing structures that are backwards-compatible with our shell's overall kit thus producing said augments to our existing abilities

lilac sapphire
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right?

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its said they were deployed on mars, but after marathon departed no?

rotund stump
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shells are relatively new yes but they're bespoke up until the tau ceti craze

robust vale
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I am presuming all cores and implants to not be literally just the boxes you shove into place in game but instead gamified visuals for larger kits and collections of technology, both new top of the line stuff and older tech

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we do know that new cascadia just

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was making BONKERS tech

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most if not all the purple salvage is a new cascadia invention IIRC

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so the notion of their tech being usable by shells doesn't feel that far off

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they're making wiring frameworks that know what they'll be used for

lilac sapphire
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we look at a complicated wiring harness and just see a green box called Knife Fight V1

robust vale
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I don't even think its a perception filter lmao

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I think it's just "don't look at the game logic please"

lilac sapphire
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oh well yeah but its the lore channel so

robust vale
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fair

craggy finch
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I'm on the side of equippable stuff that isn't salvage and valuables being contemporary stuff brought over

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Our guns are clearly modern by the standards of the time period we're in, as we can buy them from the vendors

lilac sapphire
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Do we know if UESC also utilizes runners? Like isn't Orion a runner?

craggy finch
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Yeah and his officers are Runners

rotund stump
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not every biocyber with a biomata shell's a runner

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orion just has a bespoke biomata shell

craggy finch
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Orion is killed at one point in the MIDA quest line and _gantry tells you he'll be brought back in a new body and pissed

twin trout
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I liked hearing him die

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bro got gibbed

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x3

lilac sapphire
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Ah ok so the runners are specifically us mercenaries

rotund stump
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that clip was pretty fucking brutal lol

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runners are unregistered biocybers that have human rights and wartime protections forfeited yes

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aka us

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runners are also very active on sol

twin trout
craggy finch
# lilac sapphire Ah ok so the runners are specifically us mercenaries

UESC biomata are also different from us in terms of retaining their identities (we Runners have lost our memories/past lives) and seemingly sticking to a single shell type while we jump around a lot:

The most recent incident involves one officer, M. Diaz (UESC#542), entering restricted vicinity of the Anomaly. Diaz became obscured from view due to airborne particulate and then could not be found without entering restricted vicinity. When returning later that day with a rescue party, Diaz was found inside a structure near the Anomaly, facing a wall. When addressed, Diaz exhibited severe cognitive confusion and what appeared to be biocybernetics deterioration indicative of many years without maintenance. Claims to have been lost for [REDACTED] years. Diaz is currently in medical isolation until further notice.

twin trout
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could also be a case of uesc biomata users being more cautious about the side effects of using multiple different shells

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also a case of training maybe

lilac sapphire
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Oh dang yeah ok I was wondering about some of those codexes where seemingly human UESC officials were talking in journal entries and what not. Like there are no literal humans on TCIV that we know of right?

twin trout
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maybe they're trained to use one specific shell

rotund stump
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no actual human presence besides the dead colonists on tau ceti as of yet

craggy finch
rotund stump
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I feel like UESC biomata would be a lot more versatile than what sekgen provides us with in multiple different shells if pre-tau shells are meant to be bespoke

craggy finch
rotund stump
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personality matrix or not aside it's also likely more durable than just synthsilk maybe

twin trout
craggy finch
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Yeah she's leading them I think

rotund stump
craggy finch
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fixing them in that moment

twin trout
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yea :3

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then she gets hacked by gantry

craggy finch
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[TKEL]: **Going to lose this one. **

[ORION]: Just hold them off until I can get to the old crash site. I need them out of my way.

[TKEL]: Doing my best, Cap.

twin trout
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mildly scary that he can just do that lol

lilac sapphire
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I wonder if we'll ever encounter a uesc officer shell as a boss of some kind. Kind of feels rude to just send bots our way

twin trout
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well I say gantry I mean mida in general

craggy finch
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imagine him as a souped up Warden with all their abilities

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Red shield and shit

lilac sapphire
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Yeah def

twin trout
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let him be rhulk 2

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mma champion

vital hollow
twin trout
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orion is a biomata user

lilac sapphire
vital hollow
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The UESC drones though are remote operable

twin trout
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most of the journals and such are from the colony era

lilac sapphire
twin trout
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fair x3

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something to help with that is that we never find modern day uesc logs in the field, we only can get them from the various factions we do contracts for :3

craggy finch
vital hollow
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Yes but he is on tciv

lilac sapphire
twin trout
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mhm mhm :3

vital hollow
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And whatever UESC is making him do had him lose dudes

twin trout
vital hollow
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So there are humans there at least

sage lark
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Theres no fleshy humans on TC4

twin trout
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no living ones anyways

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x3

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all of the fleshbags got anomalied or mushroomed

craggy finch
twin trout
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or zapped by darius

vital hollow
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Eh? It seems like the audio logs of Orion complaining were fairly recent

sage lark
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Orion is a biomata user

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Same as us

rotund stump
twin trout
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also the uesc tend to use a helmet that looks like recon's, you can find it as a gold item to exfil for money and as a codex item in cryo

craggy finch
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when the Pfhor bombed the colony

vital hollow
twin trout
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oh wait yea those are just colonists, you can see the face of one behind the helmet

sage lark
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Could be that hes just dumping shells

craggy finch
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perhaps in the lore the Runners have cracked the code on the schematics Orion's team are using

twin trout
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that'd be neat :3

sage lark
vital hollow
craggy finch
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It's odd that they're offscreening these dudes, but then again Orion is also very obscured

sage lark
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The we are all monsters trailer

twin trout
craggy finch
sage lark
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Truee

craggy finch
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The Anomaly is causing problems beyond just killing them

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Like the compiler massacred them all but Orion and his dudes can just come back from that

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The Anomaly breaks them or maybe even disappears them entirely

craggy finch
twin trout
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actually wait

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y'know how in the cinematic thingy that one colonist gets their head blown up by walking into the anomaly

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do you think orion also sprouted into pretty colours like that

craggy finch
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I think it was more related to the compiler

icy linden
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What if Durandal just really missed a bag of Chester’s hot fries and Arizona iced tea

craggy finch
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The log is related to the crashed shuttle with the S'pht sample inside

sage lark
craggy finch
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He got headaches and then something caused him to fire his gun before his head seemed to explode

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or something got ripped out

twin trout
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where we get auditory hallucinations and emped

sage lark
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Sounded like his spine got ripped out

sudden pollen
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Holy S'pht!

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thats crazy!

sage lark
twin trout
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well yea but it's containing (presumably) an anomalous thingy

craggy finch
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maybe it's a BoB who he's doing the whole "Alas, poor Yorick" bit with

twin trout
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90% sure it's another runner's spine

craggy finch
sudden pollen
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sorry it was my spine

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it just fell out

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idk why

craggy finch
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but in M2 the first image is famously SO doing the Predator spine homage

sage lark
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That spine is kinda short

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Idk what it could be

twin trout
craggy finch
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not Pfhor either since it's bloody red

twin trout
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I saw spine and my mind glazed over the rest X3

craggy finch
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that M2 image was the first ever exposure to Marathon I had

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this proto-Master Chief doing a Predator

vital hollow
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I kinda do hope later on Bungie does focus more on the heist and stealth aspects of the runners over straight combat
The runner phones, revive kits, and the fact they are all well equipped to hack stuff seems to imply they were all built to be infiltrators and spies over just fighters

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It's why I quite enjoy payday 2

sage lark
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Idk Destroyer is like a straight combat frame

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Triage combat medic

craggy finch
vital hollow
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Yes, but they're much more fragile than their UESC counterparts

sage lark
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We dont know that

twin trout
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that cooouuld be purely gameplay

sage lark
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We havent encountered a UESC runner

vital hollow
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We have slightly more hp than a uesc recruit 🙁

twin trout
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oh I thought they meant the uesc robots

sage lark
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Robot vs biosynthetic shell

twin trout
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one could argue that the shells are so fragile because the shields are supposed to be the main thing stopping you from dying

vital hollow
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But yes, runners are all special ops/infiltrators by design

twin trout
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and also with the whole interference that tau ceti seems to be giving the shells, causing them to degrade

craggy finch
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Like gold shields may be standard issue for them

twin trout
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it could also be like a law related thing

craggy finch
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all biomata are meatsacks at the end of the day though, since most of our shells have the same basic stats

twin trout
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biomata can't be stronger than uesc robots to incentivise not fighting the uesc

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back in sol anyways

craggy finch
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Vandal was born when MIDA stole a bunch of generic shells and implanted a bunch of different enhancements into them

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like the arm cannon

twin trout
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yeas

craggy finch
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limitations may also be for psychological reasons

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apparently the Destroyer's offensive abilities caused problems to mental health

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an extremely powerful shell could cause some kind of complex the regulatory bodies would prefer to avoid

drifting mulch
craggy finch
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well only the UESC misses out on the fun

sage lark
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they should give her 2 arm cannons

craggy finch
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Destroyers are legal for corporations and Runners don't give a shit about illegal activities

sage lark
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actually give the second arm a flamethrower

vital hollow
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You can toggle shoes without the gold core hopefully

craggy finch
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Most RUNNERS assume the off-lining of the DESTROYER was a public relations mandate as cover for various "more terrible" UESC operations.

drifting mulch
twin trout
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makes one wonder just how destructive destroyers were to receive a similar reaction to battleroids

drifting mulch
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you're never supposed to do your job well if you're involved in the government

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you raise expectations, you make your colleagues look bad, you increase base workload...in this case you kill too much

vital hollow
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Well in game you can kill just about any warden pretty fast with his ult

drifting mulch
twin trout
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myea but I am remiss to use gameplay as a foundation for assumptions based on the fact that playability tends to take precedent over lore :3

craggy finch
vital hollow
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My only wish is that we'd have roaming groups of coordinated UESC squads like in the trailer 🙏

drifting mulch
craggy finch
twin trout
drifting mulch
craggy finch
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also they somehow managed to snipe Vandal to death

vital hollow
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Only downside is this game doesn't really have armor and shields can't be modded sadly

twin trout
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I do like how the uesc recruit head shares a similar design to the uesc human operative helmet :3

craggy finch
twin trout
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true true :3

craggy finch
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even the later model Mjolnir of 28th century construction are apparently less potent than the SO's Mk 4 model

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and he's 2300s vintage at the latest

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I'm imagining the original Mk 1 that destroyed Thermopylae and Icarus as far more grotesque than the Mk 4 that were disguised as regular colonists

twin trout
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yeas

craggy finch
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The history terminal paints the first battleroids as slap dash WMDs while SO passed as an unusually large and strong human

twin trout
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🤤

craggy finch
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Bungie seems to be going with the Tau Ceti Mjolnir still being corpses though, at least going by Nona's thread

fluid hinge
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stupid question but do the runners teleport to tau ceti from earth pinkcat

craggy finch
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No we're in orbit somewhere