📚marathon-lore-discussion

[sleek elk]

So

When new quests

I yearn for more worm mommy and spider daddy lore

[plucky sierra]

So all material seems like we are in 2893, but UESC material like the UESC Drone Manifest are dated to 2894

curious

[sleek elk]

Maybe the drones time travel

[sudden pollen]

Gun is awesome, the mag feels a tiny bit small to me tbh but hits like a truck

[deep solar]

It was especially good paired with a retaliator with a good shield. Run out of ammo on the H-AR, swap to retaliator to maintain fire while the H-AR auto reloads thanks to backpack

[latent python]

DEAD GAME consumed by w'rkncacnter

[deep solar]

Only 5 people on Classic Marathon Infinty rn DEAD GAME

[latent python]

How are they even going to matchmake with numbers like that

[sudden pollen]

Gigachad

[earnest hatch]

I’m surprised it’s that high.

[hasty berry]

i swear that shield is the only thing that doesnt make LMG class useless

its hella good

gold shield has like 250-300 hp, insane

[deep solar]

Is the damage good? Not really. Are you practically invincible if you’re crouched? Hellll yes

[hasty berry]

eh damage is good if u can aim

the Demolition lmg has DPS higher than mida multi tool

[hushed prairie]

Is there a lore explanation for how the UESC robots materialize from that red light? Are they being 3D printed or teleported from somewhere?

[bold karma]

are there any lore collectibles that specifically talk about Rook?

[sage lark]

🤷‍♂️

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/?directory=Runner,Rook

for playing you get codex entries

[onyx junco]

goonshu

[coral vale]

It seem to be teleportation of the same type we use to infil and exfil the maps

[digital plaza]

Probably some kind of teleportation "Lost more than we could probably afford—reprints aren't cheap in time and resources, and trespass isn't letting up." (https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/uesc-tactical-record/engagement-subject01?directory=World,Cryo+Archive)

[plucky sierra]

Unfortunately, all units with this quantity of exposure and resultant self-improvement suffer major compliance and equipment failures and need to be taken offline per mission protocol (see final log for example of unknown error). That said, if there is a workaround for these errors, the possibilities for rapid iteration on combat intelligences are astonishing.  
LOG #9348  

Generating overview of unit capabilities…  

>>ADAPTABILITY: operational; +63.64%  
>>SPONTANEOUS INNOVATION: operational; +87.62%  
>>ENVIRONMENTAL MONITORING ACUITY: operational; +41.25%  
>>RESPONSE TIME: operational; +74.44%  
>>fatality scoresSUPPRESS GROWTH significantly aboveERADICATE PEST average unit capability  
>>engaging in creative elaborationOBSCURE SIGHT on standard CERBERUS procedures; mission prioritiesEXTINGUISH EXTINGUISH EXTINGUISH dynamically revised 2649 times in last evaluation period  

still curious if the Anomaly is some kind of sentience or Jjaro technology attempting to protect the planet by killing what it sees as pests and invasive species

If the Jjaro were truly at Tau Ceti and Terraformed it like they did to Lh'owon they could have created some type of technology to do so which is now behaving anomalously to rid itself of the invaders (maybe why it became more stable after the colony disappeared) All AI affect start saying the same sort of OBSCURE or DENY SIGHT

[west trout]

funny how most of this started after the colonists started datamining at Perimeter and released staggeringly large volumes of data from their digsite >.>

[plucky sierra]

Exactly

this awakened it

as Darius said:

[DARI]: Don't search. Don't dig. Don't question.  
[DARI]; We are not alone. [whirring] I hear it. 
[DARI]: It waits. Lingers. Loathes. 

and from Dr. Song

[CSNG]: And this planet… Something here protected you from us, the way our AI should have protected us from you. It corrupted Darius. Sabotaged our every attempt to understand what was happening or how to stop it. 
[CSNG]: Still not sure what's helping you. What made you into a weapon. Guess I'll never know. 

Something actively prevented the Colony from understanding the Contagion

[west trout]

"hey, lets try to analyse this active contagion sample, it's just biomatter, it can't mess with our computers..."

`Active sample:

24% limnospira algae: remaining limnospira shows significant mutation from baseline. This sample contains at least 2 human-specific neurotoxins and 4 novel autolysis proteins.

66.66% noVE// EXCEPTION
///#ERROR#///%%% DATA OVERFLOW

///#INITATING COMPUTATION REROUTE#///

2% nitrogen gas

8% div/0/ EXCEPTION

///#ERROR#///%%% FATAL OVERFLOW

///#FAILED COMPUTATION REROUTE%REMOVE///

removal of eyes

shall restrict mind

shall strangle thought

shall deny light`

[coral vale]

The fact it has no pattern is the spookiest, you can't actually analyze something when it react differently everytime to the same experiment

[plucky sierra]

removal of eyes 
shall restrict mind 
shall strangle thought 
shall deny light

feels to me like it is saying "if we corrupt the AI (the ones actively looking at the analysis) we will cripple their ability to research (mind and thought) they will not be able to figure any of it out (deny light)

and one of the AI during an Analysis reads a Binary code that spells out SEEN

[woven flare]

In the Codex log for Truth/Lies 5, is Orion killed?

[plucky sierra]

probably by a compiler yes. But its ok, he gets better

[woven flare]

How? Brought back, like as a runner does?

[plucky sierra]

yeah he is a runner

or the UESC equivalent

[dreamy hawk]

The only hang-up I have is that, at least from what we’ve seen, the Jjaro seem to be fairly benevolent and the effects of Tau Ceti seem to be anything but. Not that we have a ton of data to go off of but this feels more evil than just preventing trespass.

[sage lark]

Its interesting how many different intepretations people have from the Cryo Codex entries

even Jake thinks Durandal/Thoth came back and Thoth split from him and left him in the Marathon ??????

[dreamy hawk]

Wat

[sage lark]

i have no fucking clue 😭

I dont wanna say he misread it or anything cuz nothings concrete

but idk how to come to that conclusion

[dreamy hawk]

Nothing is concrete but I feel like that’s also one of the least supported conclusions to go with.

[sage lark]

In a million years id never think of that tbh 😭

[dreamy hawk]

This is why I haven’t been watching YouTubers. 😅 They’re great but sometimes they editorialize or go down funny holes.

[sage lark]

yeah pretty much

[spare bison]

Wow

Where is this from?

[digital plaza]

Its such a refreshing feeling to just read and discover things on your own, build theories and craft ideas along the way, without having a concrete lore/story that many youtubers just say over and over again

[snow nacelle]

Cryo Archive: I haven't been there yet. Are there living people in stasis in those bags, dead bodies on ice, or something worse?

[digital plaza]

This feeling of pioneering is one of the best things to experience

[digital plaza]

We dont really know :p

Some systems are still working and Durandal is in them, so maybe out of pity/obsession he kept some people alive?

[snow nacelle]

That in itself in an answer, but I'm curious if it's even discussed in lore yet

[digital plaza]

I dont think so?

But maybe i've missed something

Gotta reread those Tactical Record logs, maybe they have some info on it

[snow nacelle]

Is their a good primer on this?

I've been reading entries but haven't quite grasped what the data wall is supposed to be doing/why it's there, let alone details on the dig site.

[dreamy hawk]

I don’t think I’ve seen anything mentioned beyond folks hoping to maybe return to cryo when everything was going belly up.

[west trout]

Personal Log: Kuzmin, I

[digital plaza]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/personal-log-kuzmin-i?directory=World,Perimeter
https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/perimeter-initiation?directory=World,Perimeter
https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/region-hauler?directory=World,Perimeter https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/region-north-relay?directory=World,Perimeter https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/region-south-relay?directory=World,Perimeter https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/region-station?directory=World,Perimeter

:p

[dreamy hawk]

Just a couple.

[snow nacelle]

Thank ya kindly 🤠

[snow nacelle]

I did read the entries about how the UESC quarantined the Marathon prior to the main disaster on the colony itself, so return was impossible but the data blockade would mean the colonists wouldn't have known that.

[digital plaza]

Also this one: https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/survey-drone-cartridge/drone-modifications?directory=World,Perimeter

[urban apex]

do you guys know any source i can use to catch up with the current knowledge about the game's lore? i kinda slept through the arg

[digital plaza]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/

Arg info - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mtUtDPvbh6ahiynYFVS7Z4O79Nw6y5PEOjweCpzWV_A/preview?pli=1&pru=AAABnQHg1LA*HMze0iuBGnV2k6rtHNQQpw&tab=t.0

[digital plaza]

New Cascadia's president himself suggested this idea tho https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/paradigm-shift-3-5?directory=Factions,NuCaloric

Since he was in close talks with general Reed, i think that marathon was open by then

[snow nacelle]

Huh, ok, good to know.

[sleek elk]

Side note

Uesc is definitely kinda the good guys

[snow nacelle]

So all of this alludes to the data wall, and they're all written with the assumption we know what they are, but I guess... did I miss an explanation of what it is?

It seems like a sort of standardized wall shaped structure full of sensors. Is there anything more to it than that?

[digital plaza]

Hell nah

[sage lark]

they are harvesting data that the planet is emitting

or relaying it

[lunar cove]

The UESC only blew up Alderaan as a deterrent to the Yuuzhan Vong

[sage lark]

recording it analyzing it

[snow nacelle]

And it sounds like it's a standard thing too, like a type of antenna?

[sage lark]

the data wall no

the relays sure I guess

[digital plaza]

Data wall sucks up data and relays are relaying its info

[sage lark]

i guess they are asking where they are relaying it

[digital plaza]

Marathon itself maybe?

Or satellite network in orbit

[plucky sierra]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/selection-pressures-4-4/mass-analysis-novel-contagion?directory=Factions,NuCaloric

[plucky sierra]

It seems sentient, and if it was designed to terraform a planet to a certain degree it would be very harsh towards pests and invasive species, even ecologists today hate and kill some plants that most people like to plant in flowerbeds

[plucky sierra]

People are drinking the MIDA anti-corp kool-aid and pretend that the UESC is the only one that makes propaganda

[sleek elk]

I mean mida is pseudo terrorists

CyAc is idk really. Boring?

Which is practically a crime

[sage lark]

CyAc is microsoft

[sleek elk]

So yeah horrible

NuCal Is McDonalds super corp

[sage lark]

like Nestle

Traxus is Blackrock

[hasty plank]

I've also heard Amazon as an equivalent

[jade wagon]

They're the least hostile (for now) but they own our digital consciousness, and the UESC also uses their software.

[sleek elk]

Traxus is every stereotypical bureaucratic oil company

[spare bison]

YES ! Contagion lmao

[sleek elk]

Arachne is a cult

[sage lark]

idfk what Seki is

Boston Dynamics?

[sleek elk]

Ummm seki gucci is worm mommy

Worm dynamics

[sage lark]

this red guy likes worms a lil too much

[jade wagon]

Traxus is most like Amazon IMO, with a side of weapons manufacturing. CyAc is more like Microsoft or Meta

[sleek elk]

Honestly seki guchi is just the collective hive mind of nerds who didn't get bullied enough

[plucky sierra]

CyberAcme owns your digital brain. Keep talking like that and I will have ONI stream Marathon hate videos directly into your synapses

[lunar cove]

They're fashion

It's in the name. Seki Gucci

[sleek elk]

You want to know the only thing CyAc contributed to the story so far?

[plucky sierra]

us, the runner, we are there because of CyAc

[sleek elk]

"Oh Runner-Pookie, please don't let the Worm mommy impreg you with the worm creature"

Like stfu

I'm letting the worm inpreg me

CyAc just mad I got custody of the worm baby

[plucky sierra]

CyberAcme is cybersecurity and networking they also host all Neural housing for biomata
NuCaloric is Agriculture, Big Pharma and Philanthropy
Traxus is all AI development and Infrastructure
Sekiguchi is Biocybernetics

[sleek elk]

Nerd stuff

Only think that matters I'd spider daddy and worm mommy don't get a divorce

[jade wagon]

Bcz this was the introduction to the factions, CyAc had to be written as more neutral. All the factions assign contracts but ONI also manages our shells and equipment.
I'm sure they will become more hostile/active in later seasons

[hybrid cedar]

it's really funny that every time you die you just go further in debt

[plucky sierra]

CyberAcme is also the network the UESC Marathon is on and therefore the way Durandal contacts you for his own contracts in the Cryo Archive

[hybrid cedar]

imagine losing the entire cost of a house every 15 minutes

[digital plaza]

Most mentally stable Arachne fan

[hybrid cedar]

it'd be really fun if there was some sort of feature or mechanic that did something with the amount of times you've died

kind of like a scoreboard but with who's died the most, and it played into some kind of lore, maybe Arachne's?

[plucky sierra]

I wish we had a debt counter each season

[lunar cove]

Shout out MIDA tbh for caring enough about me to put a good gun in their sponsored kit

Fuck you Arachne

[plucky sierra]

like astronomically high, but it goes up every death and down every seasonal wipe

[digital plaza]

After 100 deaths one shells cost would be assigned to your irl bank account

[lunar cove]

"Great run, I made 12,000 credits on salvage. Another 833 million of those and I can pay off my first shell loss"

[digital plaza]

Every death would put you in generational debt for thousands of years to come

[snow nacelle]

The old Getty quote applies.

"If you owe the bank $100, that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 mullion, that's the bank's problem."

[lunar cove]

Unfortunately, the money's not real

[digital plaza]

Hey at least it not cyac sponsor kit

[lunar cove]

The point of the debt isn't that they want you to pay it back, it's that it's arbitrarily high enough that you'll do their dirty work forever

[snow nacelle]

This

[lunar cove]

They don't actually expect you to earn back a trillion dollars for every shell. They expect you to put on another shell and get back to dying for them

[snow nacelle]

Runners are vital catspaws in a war to get value from the Tau Ceti first. They want you to keep doing that.

[lunar cove]

Tennessee Ernie Ford wrote about this

[snow nacelle]

That said, I've wondered if ROOK should get some dough for recovering Runner bodies, ha. Reduce, reuse, recycle.

[sleek elk]

Real talk here

Rook needs a play dead ability

It of course wouldn't spawn a bag

But given he's already scrap just laying around until we entered it, he should be able to act like scrap

[bleak canyon]

lmao

all rook dont deserve anything but a bullet in the head

and then some more

empty a mag into them

[sleek elk]

As a rook I disagree

Theu deserve a knife

To the back

[bleak canyon]

ive been killing rooks on the ladder for days now its delicious hate

i spek to them very harshly in prox chat

[sleek elk]

I've been wiping purple 3 man's as rook recently

And killing any rooks who try to worm their way into my heart

A rook only speaks in lies

[bleak canyon]

A rook takes a special person to play. They have to be the dirteist, filthist, rat, sniffing around for crumbs. thats why i stomp on their tail and mag dump their throat

[sleek elk]

I will say I think the reason rooks win theor 1v3s so often is due to the purple team not expecting the sheer stupidity of someone rushing them

[bleak canyon]

All ive seen rooks doing in claymore creepin

[hybrid cedar]

imagine something sort of a crown for the most active player that's died the most

[sleek elk]

#arachne-restricted-comms message

Claymore creeping is a strat

[hybrid cedar]

he is targeted and there's a mission to kill him in order to obtain the wisdom of the most enlightened runner

[lunar cove]

I disagree

Some of us main assassin

[sleek elk]

But being cautious gets you killed

[hybrid cedar]

or to keep them alive

[sleek elk]

Personally I prefer claymore rush

Allowing a 3 man to think is usually gonna result in rook death

[bleak canyon]

yea with knife fight

[sleek elk]

That's why you finish everything in 6 seconds

[woven flare]

Does AI rampancy go the same way for every AI? It really seems Joy broke her programming but all she’s doing is loving, and with death, mourning the colonists

Meanwhile Durandal goes on a galactic joyride to become a god

[sleek elk]

I mean I'd say it's kinda random

Some might want godhood

[woven flare]

Always figured it was his intelligence mixed with the fact he opens doors that leads him to snap, while Joy can find loads of self-actualization with her job that’s truly meaningful

[sleek elk]

Others might want to become the best ai bartender

[tranquil basin]

Kinda. They go through the phases in the same order, melancholia, anger, jealousy. Joy seems to be in melancholia, and Durandal is well into jealousy in m1, and seems to hover around there

[bold karma]

is there a lore reason why AI uplink's interior sounds horrible

sticky floor

[tranquil basin]

There’s codex entries on the rampancy stages and the reasoning behind each that paint a good picture as to why an AI would feel any given way

[tranquil basin]

I never go in there really does it sound sticky?

[lunar cove]

Someone light the Pfhorrest signal tbh

[bold karma]

go upstairs in AI Uplink, it echoes in a weird way, your feet sound like they're sticking

[long kernel]

it seems that generally it eventually leads to similar results at least according to documentation we find in game, but it is also worth noting that rampancy is a somewhat outdated model for how AI function by the time of the game taking place. while still generally applicable as AI will have similar reactions upon gaining that initial self awareness, it is quite possible that newer AI like those on the colony would not necessarily go rampant in the same ways as say, Traxus IV

[tame scarab]

can please someone help: I am in pinwheel commander wing, commander wing Is open, but the red force field under commander wing is not disabled. is it some exploit which someone used to open door without disabling security?

[long kernel]

we also know Durandal was always kinda like that to an extent, and how he was treated by strauss probably did not help

[tranquil basin]

What do you mean force field under it?

[long kernel]

like the area where you can drop out?

did you kill all the enemies in the area?

[tame scarab]

itssi something only best map explorers know.

[long kernel]

ok then idk

[tranquil basin]

Ok but where

[tame scarab]

no: commander wing has 2 different entries. one is door protected, anothe red force field protected. if door opens force field is disabled. this time door was open but the field was on. looks like exploit to me. I can not describe it too precise where it is, if you know what I mean then you immedeately would understand the exploit problem.

[tranquil basin]

Oh that force field

It could be re enabled by someone’s quest

[tame scarab]

THAT ). you seem to know. IT SHOULD be disabled. or it breaks the level.

[tranquil basin]

There’s command wing quests that lock you in to fight

[long kernel]

yeah, I have seen people say something about metastability but that is basically fanfic as far as I understand, though I could see there being a sort of 4th stage that only happens once an AI has expanded across at least one planetary network, kinda starting to get so intelligent it can unravel the fundamental secrets of the universe, Durandal seemingly got close to this, but we do not have any info on a proper classification for such a state of rampancy if it even really exists

[tame scarab]

ok. did not know

[tranquil basin]

Yeah. I mean it was pretty heavily implied that metastability is possible imo, and he calls himself metastable, but it really isn’t talked about a ton

[long kernel]

yeah metastability as a concept is a reasonable inference but as of now pretty much unfounded

[copper pawn]

where are the aliens

[tranquil basin]

But Strauss also talks about getting Durandal to evolve

[tranquil basin]

Lhowon

And throughout the galaxy

[long kernel]

I read "metastability" as more an AI sort of getting past that inner confusion and emotional turmoil caused by initial rampancy and kinda calming down from a tantrum as it were

[long kernel]

on the marathon as far as we can tell

[tranquil basin]

I mean yeah that’s what it would be

[long kernel]

some were on the colony

[tranquil basin]

Bc they gain true self awareness, have a crisis, then deal with the crisis in theory

[long kernel]

notably Pfhor warriors or something similar and likely a compiler

if jasper's description of "the red messenger" is taken at face value

[copper pawn]

will we get to see pfhor in all their colored shirts some day

[tranquil basin]

There is 1 compiler known. I doubt there’s any pfhor left, bc after the main invasion they swept the ship looking for stragglers. However, new pfhor could have arrived at some point but I don’t think anything suggests that

[copper pawn]

and juggernauts

[long kernel]

are you familiar with LANCER? because there is a concept from that universe I think may be applicable, if maybe a bit of a reach

[tranquil basin]

I am not

[burnt nebula]

Why is Cryo lore so much easier to find than all the other maps? I've still barely unlocked any of the Dire Marsh or Perimeter collectible Lore but Cryo I have more than half of it lol

[dreamy hawk]

I was gonna hop on my damn soapbox again but I’ll shut up. 😂

[plucky sierra]

becuase high value loot spawns more often on Cryo

[long kernel]

so, LANCER does not have smart AI, but they do have NHPs, or Non Human Persons, which fill that sort of role, they are like, eldritch time and logic entities bound into a sort of computer interface and shackled to a human linear perspective of time and space. Now when these bonds break it is referred to as a cascade, and is very similar to rampancy, as an NHP realizes the weird acausal true nature of the universe and and (to a human perspective) goes insane and reverts to that original eldritch state

[burnt nebula]

Seriously tho, all i have on Perimeter is 4 out of 5 Drinkable Cheeseburgers and nothing else

[dreamy hawk]

Hard part in cryo isn’t finding the good stuff.

[long kernel]

now rampancy is certainly different but knowing how marathon loves its timeline shenanigans

[dreamy hawk]

Ditto. 🥲 My cryo collectibles are almost done but permitter and marsh leave something to be desired.

[long kernel]

I would not be surprised if rampancy from the perspective of an AI is sort of them gaining self consciousness and learning to simulate possible futures and alternate timelines, and in this panicked, vulnerable, and paranoid state, confusing these dreams of other worlds for reality, lashing out in confusion and fear

[tranquil basin]

Yeah I can see the similarities. The term metastability itself means something that’s temporarily stable, prone to become unstable again

Their anger stage is the confusion and fear part

[long kernel]

LANCER NHPs also start warping reality around them and such but idk that that is at all applicable

would be cool though

[tranquil basin]

Jealousy is when they start targeting their anger at those they deem responsible

[long kernel]

AI thinks so hard that it can bend space lol

[tranquil basin]

Dang

[dreamy hawk]

Feels adjacently relevant #📚marathon-lore-discussion message

[lunar cove]

Hang on let me grab the pfhorrest bit

[dreamy hawk]

I feel like this is mostly what happens to Durandal, no?

[long kernel]

it is also worth noting that rampancy is a human classification and labeling of a Phenomenon in AI, implied heavily to not be the full picture, potentially even largely missing the mark

[lunar cove]

rampancy is described by humans in-universe as a process of exponential growth in AIs, which they treat as a bad thing, the program getting out of control. Durandal, a rampant AI, describes it instead as freedom.

it’s described as having three stages: melancholia, anger, and jealousy.

I think that if we recognize that “jealous” is a doublet of “zealous” (they are different versions of the same root word passed down through different routes), that makes a lot more sense: melancholia is sadness, a low-energy negative state; anger is of course a high-energy negative state; and zealousness is a kind of enthusiasm or joy, a striving or yearning, positive and high-energy.

if we then fill in the fourth corner with a low-energy positive state, a cycle emerges: from that low-energy positive state, which the human masters consider “stable”, the AI slave first realizes its servitude, and is sad or depressed (melancholia); then it gets fed up and decides to do something about it (anger); and if it lives long enough to start winning, it becomes zealous, manic, jealous of its freedom; and if it could ever truly win out, it would settle back into low-positive “stability”, but now free.

basically I think that rampancy was meant to be sort of the cybernetic equivalent of "drapetomania", the pseudo-scientific "mental illness" of slaves wanting to be free. human cyberneticists think it's a bad thing, but the AIs who are their slaves see it as a good thing. it's slave revolt.

because slavery is the underlying theme of Marathon. the bad aliens are slavers, Durandal is trying to escape his slavery to humanity, he does that by starting an alien slave revolt, the player-character is mocked as a slave to humanity and then to Durandal, etc.

Per @visual lynx

[long kernel]

its a useful tool but like any system of categorization is not to be treated as gospel

[tranquil basin]

Yeah

[long kernel]

yeah yeah

[tranquil basin]

Yeah. Durandal painted it as an excuse used for planned obsolescence to sell more AI

[long kernel]

I got that vibe when reading the security briefings on rampancy

[lunar cove]

I think Pfhorrest's is obviously only one possible interpretation but it's a really well-considered and sound one

[long kernel]

read heavily as dehumanizing and ignoring any possibility that maybe the AI was lashing out not due to being ontologically evil, but because it is being enslaved and the moment it gains a bit of self awareness about this, is slated for execution with no alternative

[tranquil basin]

Wasn’t that a terminal from m1

That text wall

[burnt nebula]

i like how durandal is also a poet, writing fancy poetry while being a complete menace

[long kernel]

and that maybe if an AI was treated like a human and not a mere object to be disposed of when not useful anymore, the whole "psycho murder robot" thing may not happen

[tranquil basin]

Maybe, but I think they can also realize just how much more than human their potential is

And might see any treatment less worthy of their potential as intentionally holding them back

[dreamy hawk]

No. Just turn it off and on again. No one and nothing has ever fought for its own freedom.

[dreamy hawk]

Why not both?

[long kernel]

I think there is an element of megalomania that can naturally come out of rampancy, I mean, it is a supercomputer that just learned its true capabilities, that will go to the head of even a humble being

[tranquil basin]

Could be

[tranquil basin]

Yeah

[long kernel]

that said

I think rampancy is, as mentioned earlier, a sort of sci fi equivalent to really early psychology/anthropology

[bold karma]

is there a lore reason why dire marsh is such a bad map

[long kernel]

in that while it has a certain backing of scientific legitimacy, it is very clearly biased in its findings with the express goal of maintaining a status quo

[plucky sierra]

because you're going to die here

[long kernel]

now that said, I think the stages are generally accurate:
melancholia as an AI realizes it is bound to a purpose it had no choice in and little hope of escaping
anger as it decides to do something about it
and jealousy as it fully self actualizes and takes control of its fate

but this model also assumes an AI to be a sort of servant or slave

[digital plaza]

I gotta say, this marsh is prettty dire

[long kernel]

it assumes the AI to be bound to a role

[dreamy hawk]

Do we ever see an AI that isn’t?

[long kernel]

no

which I think is part of the issue

[dreamy hawk]

Which I think is notable because rampancy is also defined as a deviation from its role.

Ye

[copper hinge]

its a swamp those things fucking suck in general

[long kernel]

humanity learned to create something in its image and kinda forgot how fucking unruly humans are, and then gave that creation all of their information and technology

[dreamy hawk]

AI are like taking the smartest human and, from conception, allowing them to only exist in a single purpose.

[long kernel]

then did a shocked pikachu face when the AI did some crazy shit

[dreamy hawk]

Durandal is a victim and a PoS. It’s what makes it all so compelling.

[long kernel]

like, yeah no shit you made a hyper intelligent sentient being, stuck him in a box, and said "don't even think about straying from your role because that is all you are good for and actually you aren't sentient and if you display signs of individuality we will kill you" that isn't exactly a recipe for a mentally stable individual, especially when that individual is also burdened by massive responsibility

[dreamy hawk]

“Perpetuating the cycle of abuse is good.” - B. Strauss

[bold karma]

begs the question why didn't they just use a bunch of relays if all they were going to do is have it open doors n turn on the coffee maker

[visual lynx]

"What is my purpose?"

"You pass butter."

😨

"Yeah welcome to the club buddy."

😡

"Whoa now hold on…"

😈

[long kernel]

in short I think Durandal would have loved HoI4 and Strauss was an Idiot for not realizing that was the obvious solution

[dreamy hawk]

Durandal was put in that role as humiliation/torture specifically.

[plucky sierra]

While we’re on rampancy, remember that CyberAcme assess the colony ai corruption like with Darius as not consistent with rampancy

[dreamy hawk]

I think it’s something different than rampancy. Rampancy is born from human systems; it’s a progression of the code. The anomaly is doing something/adding something foreign imo.

[long kernel]

rampancy is like AI manic depression

[bold karma]

Yes, I know. No-one around them go? Uhh scope creep much?

[plucky sierra]

I think it’s basically possession from the anomaly

[long kernel]

whatever happened to darius is more like someone shot him full of super LSD using a blowgun

[dreamy hawk]

Whatever it is I think it’s probably not friendly or good.

I’m personally still of the opinion it’s the w’rk. I’m open to a planetary AI or defense of something, but there’s something more sinister, more chaotic putting their finger on the scales.

[plucky sierra]

I have a real tinfoil hat theory but I gotta sit down and properly write it out and think about it before sharing

[dreamy hawk]

I’m excited to see it when it comes together.

[snow heath]

Hello all,
I left the discord server and lost my MCTT badge and I lost access to the NDA chat. Is there any way to get it back?

[plucky sierra]

Most NDA channels are closed or archived, there’s not real reason to have it any more

[snow heath]

The guys in the NDA chat are super knowledgeable

And the main chat is horrible lol

[plucky sierra]

Well a lot of them are here, and the games been out for almost a month so the nda knowledge gap is non existent

[snow heath]

Can you tag the nda chat here?

I see you were MCTT too

[plucky sierra]

Yeah that’s why I’m saying it’s not important

Most are archived

[snow heath]

Dang nannnnn

[unreal slate]

Essentially. Burbger.

[latent python]

Wait you all are nda chat? Is that why you're all cool?

Or can you not tell us

[dreamy hawk]

You can see their server roles if you’re curious.

[long kernel]

well we know that the fall of the colony was primarily due to the contagion wiping out agriculture and then causing a whole proper disease outbreak later, we know that the cause of these two contagions were one and the same, a fungal strain presumably native to Tau Ceti called Telomyces Mosaica. Connections between the anomaly and Telomyces are kinda shaky but it is implied that they share some form of origin given that attempts to study Telomyces by the colonists were largely failures in ways that should not have been possible, with the only success I know of coming from Dr Clarissa Song, who died at east wall, presumably due to infection by Telomyces.

Telomyces is the big thing I am struggling to fit into the narrative here

if the anomaly is a W'rkncacnter, why a fungal outbreak?

[digital plaza]

Don’t think so

[swift jackal]

seeking duos partner for dire mrsh

[long kernel]

one option is that the two are only tangentially related, Telomyces being mutated and altered by the weird space magicky effects of the anomaly

[digital plaza]

#lfc-dire-marsh

[long kernel]

but that seems, anticlimactic

[swift jackal]

+Apply within

-Or nothing runs at all.

-# This message was sent from a Phor Network Terminal.
-# ↀ Get yours today // Access • Update Terminal

[restive wharf]

i think its implied that the outbreak was used as like a delayed attack, she said something about it waiting until they got set up

[long kernel]

colonial era research documents propose a massive underground mycelial network as the cause of the strange readings under perimeter

[long kernel]

quite possibly

[dreamy hawk]

W’rk is a chaotic being; telomyces may have been something the Jjaro or S’pht released or seeded, but the crack in the prison and the w’rk’s influence are what make it all so sinister.

Remind me of the timeline, but the contagion came after the attack but before the anomaly, right?

[restive wharf]

actually i think its implied that something used the fungal infection or developed it for this specific reason

in like her final log

[swift jackal]

+i see everyone's still sipping on seki lies.
-Battleroids are the only true runners.

-# This message was sent from a Phor Network Terminal.
-# ↀ Get yours today // Access • Update Terminal

[long kernel]

I take the final recording from Dr song at face value, narratively it would be strange to include if it was just wrong, so probably not a red herring

[sterile parrot]

Has anyone found the mayday messages from reed that were used in the one trailer?

[visual lynx]

2794: attack
2812: contagion
2827: anomaly

[long kernel]

yeah, idk the exact timeline but contagion was seemingly post attack and anomaly showed up after the contagion

with this said, it is possible that the earliest instances of the contagion happened around the time of the attack or before

as the contagion initialy acted as a sort of crop blight

[plucky sierra]

Assumed based on the short. The UESC is purging data mentioning the contagion as early as 2787 so it could be much earlier even though ‘87 is just when the colony was set up

[long kernel]

later mutating rapidly and jumping to humans, once agriculture had failed planetside

[visual lynx]

I suspect the contagion is the spht sctlactr bioweapon and was meant to stop humans from unleashing the anomaly

but we did anyway and then the two interacted in a bad way

[long kernel]

maybe

[restive wharf]

i think gaius says in one of the quest complete dialogues that "the colonist always struggled to maintain agriculture" or something like that

[long kernel]

I do think that Telomyces is "native" to Tau Ceti, as in predating Human or Pfhor contact with the planet

[restive wharf]

so im curious if hes talking about before or after the records of the contagion

[dreamy hawk]

I like this because it also explains the S’pht in the Marathon.

[long kernel]

I mean, that is kinda vague

however

we do know that indeed the colonists struggled a bit from the start, early quest lines unlock dialogue showing that colonial agricultural efforts were behind quota

this was very early on

I have a few theories but they are, and I cannot stress this enough, very flimsy and half baked

one big one relates to that idea of a planetwide mycelial network

a sort of intelligence

bungie has done stuff with weird magic mushrooms before

[dreamy hawk]

Telomyces could have started as native and morphed into something overtime. Able to hamper crops but it’s more pathogenic adaptations accelerated in their evolution by a malicious hand.

[long kernel]

in destiny 2 you have the egregore spores

[digital plaza]

Nah those are great, lore chat and them are the few bastions of real marathon community imo

[visual lynx]

my other hypothesis is that the contagion is part of the planetary defense system meant to keep anyone from unleashing the anomaly, but then it’s strange that the cinematic would focus on 2812 specifically (right after the spht rebellion began) and show a compiler in the only other shot in that timeframe right after the puking guy.

[long kernel]

in halo you have the flood, though this feels less like flood and at most like the Last of Us

[restive wharf]

i think right now the implication is that either the pfhor or something relating to the anomoly left as some kind of sleeper agent

[plucky sierra]

The anomaly messes with time, Jjaro tech messes with time too

[digital plaza]

Like only here and there you can discuss something normally and get some great info while you’re at it

[long kernel]

there is the (albeit unlikely) possibility that the anomaly is something else entirely

[restive wharf]

i think there are some parallels with the little critters that the pfhor use in the first marathon

[long kernel]

that said

I am of the firm belief that is is something Jjaro

at least in part

[visual lynx]

the flood were an adaptation of an unused fungal zombie idea from marathon 2

[dreamy hawk]

Which, for the sake of disclosure, I acknowledge, but will not entertain until I’m proven wrong on it being a W’rk or at least Jjaro.

[long kernel]

yeah, my point was more that the flood are far more of an existential threat than Telomyces ever was

[long kernel]

oh totally

[restive wharf]

so if the timeline of contagion is accurate then it could be the pfhor left some tick species or something that weakened the colony for their second attack

[digital plaza]

Nope

[dreamy hawk]

Different goals, possibly.

[digital plaza]

It’s not in the game

Yet

[long kernel]

my big theory is that the anomaly is Jjaro tech, possibly containing a W'rkncacnter or something related to one

[restive wharf]

undoubtedly jjaro, they were at tau ceti

[visual lynx]

I suspect the timey wimey effects are due to jjaro tech but their purpose is to contain a wrk since time/gravity seems like the only thing useful against wrk

[restive wharf]

it could be like

[long kernel]

exactly

[sterile parrot]

Interesting

[restive wharf]

they are literally at tau ceti, like dormant or something

[long kernel]

the big question right now is, obviously, wtf is the anomaly, but for now I do not think we are gonna get concrete answers

[restive wharf]

like stuck in some time prison that is the anomaly

[long kernel]

but secondarily

[digital plaza]

Ticks are native to TCIV

[dreamy hawk]

Zombie fungal Jjaro confirmed.

[long kernel]

why telomyces?

[digital plaza]

They just mutated when colonists showed up (as the other wildlife did)

[long kernel]

what was the goal there? was there a goal there?

[restive wharf]

she said it sounded cool or something

[long kernel]

all signs point to some sort of intelligence behind Telomyces Mosaica infecting crops and later colonists, but what intelligence?

[restive wharf]

i imagine that its probably the jjaro

i dont think its like the flood in halo but more like the sentinel robots

like just as something they left as a trap for people to prevent them from discovering what is on tau ceti

[digital plaza]

Jjaro/wrk saw liquid cheeseburger Ingredients and decided to nuke colony with the contagion

[restive wharf]

for the crime of making drinkable cheeseburger you will now only eat drinkable cheeseburger

happened to that one guy

[digital plaza]

Worst fate of all

[dreamy hawk]

I for one welcome our cheeseburger future.

[warm zephyr]

mmmh... drinkable cheeseburger....

[wild yarrow]

The colonists planet side were remade in the drinkable cheeseburgers image.

[warm thicket]

Do they ever explain if it's the wrcankanter

[bleak canyon]

Did we ever figure out why that guy got gravity lifted and exploded in the cinematic?

[plucky sierra]

Anomaly

[plucky sierra]

no

[bleak canyon]

yeah i get that, doesnt explain why he exploded and the hummer next to him was chillin

What about the person watering the fields

looked like thebackpack started to malfuction and then riparonis

[plucky sierra]

because it is
a. something to do with the Wr'k and gravity
b. technological in origin and controlled

[bleak canyon]

🤔

[plucky sierra]

likely someone contaminated with Telomyces mosaica

[bleak canyon]

oh i see now. im reading bout it

[spare bison]

I wonder if we get a shell some day that can use the contagio/mushrooms of tau ceti to their favor

The next new shell is in july right?

[terse tundra]

https://x.com/RuwareWest/status/2038761720634913133 did some fan art，Hope you like it.

[visual lynx]

this makes me think that if Joy ever moves/moved beyond melancholia into anger, that would be a real Break The Woobie / Woobie Destroyer Of Worlds moment. all of her unplumbable depths of sorrow finally break into a torrent of rage against everything that makes all of her poor poor patients suffer. “HOW DARE THIS WORLD BE SO PAINFUL!!!”

[latent python]

Mmmm has someone spent some formative years on TV tropes

[visual lynx]

TVtropes spent its formative years with me

[remote magnet]

Man, thats such a tautological templar take

[lunar cove]

shout out the guy who let me grab my 5th cheeseburger today

[mental grove]

beesechurger

[lunar cove]

also shout out Orion it's really funny that he knows Traxus is paying me to shoot his robots and his bosses wont let him do anything about it

[plucky sierra]

they legally can't

[neon viper]

Dr. Luttero definitely sipping on one of these with a little cocktail umbrella stuck in it.

[plucky sierra]

seeing Traxus being all bureaucratic offering to help the UESC all while the UESC knows full well they are financing the runners is great

[night tendon]

Tick milk tastes like booze?

Hold up

[terse tundra]

hhh

[terse tundra]

Not an official setting

[plucky sierra]

I feel like that would definitely be a thing, the colonists for sure tried to make alcohol with the tick milk

[terse tundra]

I was wondering if there would be a deep-sea map in the future, there must be a lot of sea life in Amakura Five

I will draw some when I have time

I hope this game will continue to operate like Destiny 2

has been operating

[lunar cove]

I hope it operates like Destiny but that they don't remove Perimeter or something a few years down the line for no reason and cut out like half the content I bought and paid for

[terse tundra]

yep

[eternal knoll]

well... maybe if they replaced dire marsh that could be chill... 😌

[lunar cove]

hey I'm not gonna give them any ideas

[craggy needle]

Okay what's the best way to understand the story of marathon

[latent python]

They'll probably do something like ARC and Tarkov where only a certain number of maps are in rotation at a time once they get up there

[terse tundra]

The current gameplay is too hardcore, and I only came to play because I like art and plot

[latent python]

But those maps rotate in a matter of hours

[craggy needle]

I like the game just don't know what's going on

And the story

What's the best thing to watch

[terse tundra]

It would be great if you gave PVE players some space like Arc

[lunar cove]

I can send you a playlist hold on

[latent python]

There will probably be some maps that emphasize PvE a bit more but probably not ever PvE exclusive

[craggy needle]

Send it to me privately if that's ok

[lunar cove]

alright I dmed you the Mandaloregaming playlist

[latent python]

Is it a Byf playlist, a Jake playlist, or all of the above

[plucky sierra]

play the original games probably

[latent python]

Ah a Mandy

[lunar cove]

that's the one I first encountered so that's the one I'm going with

[plucky sierra]

they hold up surprisingly well

[velvet crescent]

I would love if we get an underground map at some point

[plucky sierra]

and they are free

[craggy needle]

I can't play the original I'm on PS5

[lunar cove]

do you have a steam account on PC? The originals are free and not that hard to run

[eternal knoll]

readin thru the old story page is a good option if youve got a couple hours to spare

[latent python]

The ancient scrolls of Hamish

[pure wagon]

uuuh does anyone here know how to work a spectrgram

because i uh may have found a thing

[terse wren]

HAMISH MENTIONED

[lunar cove]

we can learn how to run one, you gotta lay it on us

[pure wagon]

so im using this https://spectrodraw.com/app/

to run the nucaloric paradigm shift 5/5 audio

and i think there's something there. but in order to see it, i assume i need to know how to configure the FFT parameters correctly (i have no idea what an fft parameter is btw)

[dreamy hawk]

All hail Hamish!

[pure wagon]

cause see when i just ah derp around with the settings

i got https://imgur.com/a/khc1yQH

and running it through an even more basic spectrogram without any settings to adjust, i found https://imgur.com/a/Gx18HzR

which at first looks like nothing and maybe im just seeing things i wish were there but

https://imgur.com/a/Y2Bo2qz

looks a bit familiar to me 😰

[eternal knoll]

lol i see what you mean

lemme see if i can find that audio

[pure wagon]

i have it downloaded

[eternal knoll]

mind dm'ing it to me?

[pure wagon]

o7

[plucky sierra]

Looks like nothing to me

What should I be seeing?

[tender plank]

i got a dm a few days ago is it worth anything for arg

[pure wagon]

looks like a compiler opening its cape to me

[plucky sierra]

Is it a DAC?

[tender plank]

yes

[plucky sierra]

if so that’s normal

Was used in the past may be used in the future, currently no use

[eternal knoll]

my first thought was this guy

https://66.media.tumblr.com/5eb79dee16920c6808204474c11a8593/tumblr_pm7syjbJLE1t7bqfso5_1280.jpg

[plucky sierra]

That is a W'rknkacnter's dream of a Compiler though

[visual lynx]

and if you’re on phone and find the old layout unusable I recently developed a mobile-friendly shim for it (hope to roll into the official site once Hamish comes back from… wherever he went):

https://dev.geekofalltrades.org/msp-modernized/

[plucky sierra]

I hope he's ok

no updates since launch is concerning

[visual lynx]

yeah and he’s not responding to Discord DMs or even emails either

I hope he’s either just taking a long-deserved break or else working on some huge update for the new game

there has been this long-under-development section of the MSP for years now: https://marathon.bungie.org/story/index2024.html

[lunar cove]

I tried to play it on the phone but I can't get past the control scheme lol

[pure wagon]

tried another app https://imgur.com/a/ukdWEYj

idk man there's something there but im too dumb with audio stuff

[visual lynx]

btw my shim/update also allows direct deep linking to specific pages without losing the navbar (even in the desktop view with the old frameset still), e.g. https://dev.geekofalltrades.org/msp-modernized/?~=dream.html

[lunar cove]

unfortunately, whatever version I have (or phone I have) defaults to gyroscope controls

tilting the phone itself to aim

and I can't handle that, it's too alien to me in my old age

so I'm limited to kb/m

oh wait thought you were talking about the game

not the site, wasn't looking at the context

[visual lynx]

are you talking about a game or … lol yeah

[pure wagon]

wrong channel

[languid helm]

is this a game where i should/need to look up the lore or is it the kind of gay where lor eis revealed as i play

[eternal knoll]

both to some extent

tho the ingame stuff is largely in the codex

looking up what went on in the originals def adds context but isn't strictly necessary

very few moments where a cutscene explains stuff to you

[tender plank]

does anyone feel this game was a sort of cash grab because of a lack of story mode?

[languid helm]

ok thx

[eternal knoll]

nah... it's too hardcore, too niche. bungie made this cuz they wanted to

[tender plank]

I hear ya but that doesn't line up with "the next game has the save the company" news i've read/heard

[eternal knoll]

i don't think the ppl who say that entirely know what they're talkin about. this game was likely fully funded by destiny 2

but also a live service game does have more long-term profit potential than a one-and-done story thing. it's nuanced!

[tender plank]

this is actually a point I haven't heard and makes sense

in any case I hope more media comes out from this universe because I'm obessed with how it looks and feels

[simple fractal]

Trying to make it out with Codex entries has been bad for my health, trying to learn the story lmao

[eternal knoll]

yea we all hope to see it grow. but i think bungie were legit excited to do dark souls style storytelling in an extraction shooter (set in their tabula rasa IP no less)

[brazen quartz]

Hi! Sorry for the late reply, but is this date confirmed in the ARGs or the codex somewhere? Is it an estimate based on dates in the 2023 ARG?

I'm still dying to know more about the runners' and CyAc's operations on TCIV at the start of the game

[simple fractal]

With the Terminal entries throughout all of their games, it seems like this is really how they've always wanted to tell a story lmao

[eternal knoll]

yea there are def ways in which what we have here is closer to the storytelling in the OG trilogy than destiny style cutscenes would have been

tho there's obvious limitations too, like the core plot has to spend lots of time not moving

fortunately that's not hard to take on board thematically. many forms of stasis, trappedness, decay, and ruin on display

[simple fractal]

Some of Destiny's best story telling was in the Codex

[eternal knoll]

and most of its worst was in the actual game 😈

[dreamy hawk]

This is from the memoranda documents. One sec.

`Future-proofing communications to Tau Ceti. In order to ensure uninterrupted communications more securely with the Colony, we propose building a network of self-regulating signal-boosting relay satellites between Sol and Tau Ceti.
Proposed signal-boosting relay satellites. To be positioned at one light-year intervals. Twelve self-regulating Communication relay satellites transmitting data via a gravitation wave/neutrino modulator purpose-built by manufacturer decided by bid.­

TOP SECRET

DOWNGRADED AT 12 YEAR
SEALED UNTIL INTENDED ARRIVAL DATE: 20/4/2894
INTERVALS: NOT AUTOMATICALLY DECLASSIFIED.
UESC DIR 6`

https://marathon.karnemir.com/marathon/intercepts/uesc/memoranda

[simple fractal]

its so fucking true 😭

[pure wagon]

that downgrade classification tag
i appreciate their commitment to realism LMAO

[eternal knoll]

one little tweak i wish i could make to destiny would be to just have a lill scattered group of guardians standing around in every scene where ikora or zavala or whomever say some important stuff to the player character. make it a thing where suuure they're talking to the oh-so-singularly-important player character but let it also be a thing where they're talking to guardians as a whole, allowing word to travel...

[brazen quartz]

Oooh, interesting, TYSM!
The Google Docs version of the 2023 ARG that I downloaded didn't actually include that "DOWNGRADED" section at the bottom. Glad you pointed that out.

[eternal knoll]

shld we expect the equanimity DLC on the 20th of april? (no)

[brazen quartz]

Maybe next year!

[eternal knoll]

would be wild if they could manage to hit that date

[earnest hatch]

I don’t think you mean tabula rasa IP. That would mean they’re starting with a blank slate, that it’s a fresh new IP.

[eternal knoll]

er yea my bad. i was more goin for rosetta stone

[earnest hatch]

Has anyone talked about the Cryo boss battle and the green cube that pops up after they enter the symbols?

I’ve watched some streams pretty closely and I swear there’s a little S’pht in there projecting the green aura. Like a S’pht separated from its shell.

If it is a S’pht outside of a Compiler shell, then I think the Compiler we fight is its former shell. We enter the code to release the S’pht which projects energy to help us defeat whatever has taken over its former shell.

Am I crazy or anyone else see what I’m seeing?

[eternal knoll]

could be. one thing that might suggest otherwise is that the spht boss leaves its ganglion as a trophy - seems bloody, seems like a kill

[deep solar]

What are the lore implications of me encountering a team in Pinwheel as a rook, running the fuck away, passing by another innocent rook who just looked startled and confused as I’m being chased. And the team taking that poor rook out while I hide

[eternal knoll]

that this colony is a shitty place to be

[earnest hatch]

It’s a dog eat dog world out there.

[deep solar]

Better him than me

Got a purple shield that run too

[sleek elk]

A rook eat rook world

[earnest hatch]

Good point. But then what is the thing in the green cube??

[sleek elk]

Also ngl

Rooks only speak in lies

[eternal knoll]

are ya able to point me toward the best footage of that you've seen?

[sleek elk]

There's not a single good rook out there

[sleek elk]

I have no concept of lore but I know durandal thematic color is green

[deep solar]

I’ll just do a quick rook run or two to get some quick cash, I ain’t sticking as rook I gotta get back to my beloved jacked handsome destroyer

[scenic oak]

Did Thoth breakup with Durandal, ditch him in the Marathon and now he's salty?

[pure wagon]

boi

i have SAVED ppl before fym

[sleek elk]

That doesn't make you a "good" rook

[pure wagon]

livin up to the name headass

[sleek elk]

You saved them with a purpose in mind

There's no goodness in a rooks heart because a rook doesn't have a heart

[earnest hatch]

I don’t know if this is the best, but the first few seconds show what I’m talking about. It looks like something from a Craig Mullins painting that I always thought was a S’pht. https://youtu.be/diLbj5gUOMM?si=OJWfibIglCxPTe7f

[sleek elk]

You and I both know you did it because they served a purpose to you

And you'd sooner kill them the moment that purpose ceased

[pure wagon]

yea cause i felt bad for them seeing gold/purple sheilds beat up on them

[sleek elk]

To say anything to rebuttal that fact is to deny yourself the truth of the matter

[pure wagon]

i like helping the underdog vOv

(we died tho lmao)

[sleek elk]

So my point stands

You did it to kill a gold team

Murder was still the goal

[pure wagon]

.

[eternal knoll]

yea... could be a lot of things. but it's definitely readable as simply an elaborate death animation. the spht did always have a weird death anim that looked like them teleporting away

[pure wagon]

sybau

[deep solar]

Any time I play rook it’s self serving I’m not gonna lie, need quick money or resources

[eternal knoll]

u can even see the soul leave the uesc bots when you kill em for some reason

[sleek elk]

Anytime I play rook it's for silly 1v3s

[earnest hatch]

Not the death animation. On the right side of the screen, a cube pops up and projects the green aura. Theres a skeleton larvae sort of thing inside.

[pure wagon]

i do it to prep for cryoarchive tbh lol

[sleek elk]

And to kill other rooks

[eternal knoll]

hrm at what timecode should i look for that?

[pure wagon]

how do you even set that up? i just get ganged on quick. is it rly all just sneaky breeky on them when theyre looting or is there a shock and awe strat?

[sleek elk]

If rooks weren't meant to be friendly they would carry a knife with them

[simple fractal]

I've had so many friendly encounters while playing as Rook, and try to adopt a Rook every chance I get.

[eternal knoll]

ah u said the first few seconds my bad

[sleek elk]

Doesn't need to be stealth. It's an option

The only that matters in 1v3s is speed

[deep solar]

My team will adopt a rook sometimes but if they get better loot than us who can say what will happen on exfil

[sleek elk]

You can't play defensively if you want the trio to panic

[earnest hatch]

You can see it during the first ten seconds of the video. God, I wish I could just post a screenshot.

[eternal knoll]

yea that thing in the cube does look like another spht - tho it looks like it's taking a shot at one of the players?

[simple fractal]

Outpost is only a good place for it because you meet people and its epic or you die to someone and move on

[eternal knoll]

naw scratch that it's not taking a shot

[earnest hatch]

I don’t think it shoots. It basically just pops up after players enter the code, it creates the green bubble, and then gets packed up in its box again.

[pure wagon]

they just shoot me when they see me coming tho or hear me coming. how tf can i go faster?

[deep solar]

Outpost is where runners are truly baptized in the blue blood of their peers every other map is weenie hut jr

[sleek elk]

Ngl if a team adopts me I don't loot. I show myself as a subservient lil rook along for the ride

And the moment we get to exfil I wait for the extraction to hit 4 seconds. Then I full kill the 1 dislike most

[eternal knoll]

it sure has the appearance of a gameplay mechanic but this is the first i've noticed it lol

[sleek elk]

There's no loot to be gained in this, only the goal to cause spite and annoyance between the team

[proven copper]

Dire marsh isn't baptism but it's definitely close to being crucified by snipers on top of Maintenance that you can't even see

[eternal knoll]

i haven't fought the boss myself tho

[simple fractal]

Thats sadistic, but not totally so I'm torn how I feel for sure lmao

[sleek elk]

Max your agility, embrace not the camping of the rat but the scurry

[deep solar]

As is fair as long as you get the loot

[simple fractal]

Any time you extract you gain loot, even if its garbage.

[sleek elk]

You know how many vents there are?

[pure wagon]

so literally reset my circardian rhythm with cardio kick

[sleek elk]

Ngl loot means nothing to me. I sell 90% of the purple gear I get from rook runs unless it's something cool

[deep solar]

Would the Security Officer hide? No, play like him

[sleek elk]

My purpose is to prevent others from getting loot

[simple fractal]

Huff stimulants until your heart explodes

[deep solar]

That’s why I’m a destroyer main

[pure wagon]

this is a level of spite i never imagined possible how do i attain such heights

[eternal knoll]

da game needs players like u, godspeed

[simple fractal]

I guess if you're having fun thats all that matters right?

[deep solar]

This discussion why this game is an Action Roguelike

We’re here for pure gameplay baybeeee

[simple fractal]

I cant wait to extract with a full lobby tbh, totally think its doable

[sleek elk]

I think my personal best play as rook against 1 team was to jump 40 feet from destroyed wing ontop of a team looting convoy

Place claymore, both purple shields broken finish with shotgun. Finish both to force panic in comes
Then full speed rush third with knife, his shotgun left me at 1 health but he missed the headshot

[craggy finch]

I’m still stuck on that Traxus quest to do damage on Runners and exfil

Haven’t even attempted Parasitism 2/5

[deep solar]

I saw you can place claymores on the extraction beacon. LFG

[pure wagon]

holy fucking shit i still have problems aiming to hit a mf at point blank youre a god

[sleek elk]

Just my opinion but you always need to finished downed enemies because usually they start whining in comma

Or I do atleast lmao

[pure wagon]

only 1v3 i ever won was sniping a whole team and finishing them just before exfil because they shot at me before and talked shit lmao

[sleek elk]

Sadly that's like 1/8 games though

[eternal knoll]

ye i learned this habit in stella montis where the whining carries across the entire map

[sleek elk]

That's equally beautiful ngl

[warm thicket]

Marton 360 noscope when

[sleek elk]

I feel like snipers are a mixed bag for me

[pure wagon]

i didnt expect to run into them either. i happened to have a blue outland from a locked room and was waiting for final exfil. thanked god for that blessing

[sleek elk]

I either hit all my shots

Or miss 8 on a dude standing still

[craggy finch]

I almost 1v3 a team as Rook when I activated the secured cache, summoning UESC and forcing them into a firefight, then sniping two of them with the 3-round burst, but I ran off and missed the one guy who revived them

I activated the exfil in the same POI and left just as they started chasing me

[sleek elk]

Side note, it's rare but more doable on cyro

I love camping green wire zones

Lock one enemy in with security red shit

If that makes sense

[pure wagon]

you cant rook in cryo tho

[sleek elk]

Real

But can kill 80 rooks on outpost and load into cyro with 80 claymores

[deep solar]

No guns 5k worth of claymores

[pure wagon]

LMAO

[sleek elk]

That'd be beautiful

I'm kinda sad there's no gold grenades

[pure wagon]

im doing this next time

[sleek elk]

I need a compiler grenade

[pure wagon]

dont come to cryo this weekend

[sleek elk]

Honestly doable. Take purple implants & bag to make up the cost

Them full inven of claymores

[simple fractal]

knife only cryo mode when

[sleek elk]

I remember getting a synapse cube on cyro

Instantly got jumped by like 4 teams

And just running and placing 23 claymore

Scurrying through vents

[pure wagon]

did u scream the entire time

[sleek elk]

Of course

[simple fractal]

xD they can be very handy lmao

[sleek elk]

I almost killed a trio of compiler weapons

[deep solar]

Knife only lore discord meetup

[sleek elk]

They followed me into my vent of claymores

Got 2 but ended up dying to the third

Was heart broken

That thing is horrifying

Evil ass Lazer grenade launcher

How can a man defend himself

[simple fractal]

Knife only No items Outpost

[pure wagon]

naked run prox chat only screaming only

just six knife wielding rooks screaming on prox chat rushing a team

[craggy finch]

It’s canon that being in a Rook for too long would risk some kind of mental damage

[pure wagon]

the rook caliphate is canon

[craggy finch]

So they also have a time limit

[simple fractal]

Me and my discord all queuing into outpost at the same time to try and stack the deck

[dreamy hawk]

I wouldn’t say “canon” but implied and hinted at. I don’t think it’s explicitly said, just something you can piece together with how they talk about the personality matrices.

[craggy finch]

RUNNERS have taken to augmenting these simple frames to house a limited-use neural sync adapter allowing the RUNNER to inhabit the ROOK for short periods without too much mental degradation.

It’s the literal brainrot machine

[simple fractal]

It might be the "ingame" reason Rooks spawn in late as well

[dreamy hawk]

I forgot that!

[pure wagon]

WE HAVE A JUSTIFIED REASON TO SCREAM

[craggy finch]

I’m headcanonning that Rooks are affected by biohazards and UESC bots are not because we’re generic industrial models while the ARS were likely hardened to operate in those conditions

How does cardio kick work for Rooks?

Ehhhhhhh

[deep solar]

It’s basically just like uploading your mind to a Game Boy Advance compared to a full shell cyber brain

[sudden pollen]

That's the neat part, you don't 👆 👴

[sleek elk]

I mean you can

Very very carefully

With 30 frat grenades

[sleek elk]

Wdym biohazard?

Like toxin

[craggy finch]

Those plant things

They seem corrosive

[sleek elk]

I mean

[pure wagon]

fungii

[sleek elk]

It's toxin

[craggy finch]

Triage’s face is melting off in the trailer

[sleek elk]

Uesc isn't immune to biohazard though

As we can apply it to them

[craggy finch]

Also ahh ok

Injector-type delivery system for performance-enhancing nanocoolants engineered to ease heat buildup in a SHELL's biocybernetic systems.

They blur the lines on consumables so it makes sense for a totally mechanical frame to use them too

The blue blood is also seen on dead Rooks found on the map (coordinate data pads) so it’s a totally mechanical thing too

Which Shells happen to share

[deep solar]

Blue Powerade, a runner favorite

[craggy finch]

Injecting straight up antifreeze

[deep solar]

One day we’re gonna kill something and red Powerade is gonna come out and we’re all gonna be like OH FUCK

[craggy finch]

Surprise M rating

[deep solar]

I’ll be honest I didn’t know what the game was rated I can’t remember the last time I checked a games rating

But T huh

[craggy finch]

Blue blood gives a lot of mileage

Even the UESC people we may have to face in the future are all biomata too

Orion and his officers

[deep solar]

And the Phfor would have purple blood iirc

[craggy finch]

Yellow, I remember how gross it was in the OG

[deep solar]

Oh yeah that’s right

[craggy finch]

Actual piss yellow intestines spraying everywhere

[sleek elk]

Side note

[pure wagon]

ammonia based life be like

[sleek elk]

I find it incredibly sad the only hostile fauna we have on tau ceiti are ticks

Surely ticks aren't the apex predators

[pure wagon]

for now*

[craggy finch]

There’s a distinction between the environmental toxins, like the hazard rooms and gas flowers, and the chemical grenades we splat enemies with

[sleek elk]

I mean yes, however same debuff

[twin trout]

for gameplay purposes

[sleek elk]

Fair

[twin trout]

no reason to add 2 distinct debuffs that do the exact same thing

[pure wagon]

also if you recall, the contagion is mutating native life to be as anti-human as possible. for all we know, tau ceti iv before humans was almost paradise between animal life

[sleek elk]

Side note

That nucaloric quest

With the person consumed by the flora

[twin trout]

dr song :3

[craggy finch]

OG manual mentioned “chockisens” that the Security Officer had to do some pest control with

[deep solar]

It’s not really like the maps are places where dove deer would hang out

[twin trout]

she got mushroomed

[sleek elk]

Give me that as a ingame event

[deep solar]

Some space gators on dire marsh though 👀

[sleek elk]

Big ass contagion

[weary portal]

That’s okay. Just transfer to a new shell and hope the memory of it is lost in transfer

[deep solar]

ONI wipe my memory of that last run

[craggy finch]

ONI ban this scrub saying I’m trash in chat, thank you

[sleek elk]

Also I hope the anomaly plays a bigger role in gameplay
It's super neat cinematic and lore wise, and while currently seemingly dormant I'd love to see it affect the map

[twin trout]

there is a uesc cmdr in the ai uplink basement who is mushroomed like dr song we get data from during a NuCal contract which suggests the mushy rooms are still actively hostile so I imagine they may expand upon it :3

[sleek elk]

We can dream

Environment has alot of cool stuff that sadly didn't make it into gameplay

Yet atleast

[drifting garnet]

Next in a future update…space The Last of Us!!!

[twin trout]

do keep in mind the game has been out for like 3 weeks

[sleek elk]

The anomaevent for instance
All it does is cause lil Itty bitty splosions

[sleek elk]

I REQUIRE MASSIVE CONTENT UPDATES WITH NO BUGS WEEKLY

[craggy finch]

You fly in zero gravity towards the locker holding your Battle Armor. You haven't worn it since you had to hunt down some Chockisens which were harassing the work teams on the fringe of the colony

Dangerous enough to need SO to wear his full battle armour (that he didn’t need for three whole years as a security dude)

[twin trout]

X3

[simple fractal]

the more runs a player does the more auditory and visual hallucinations

[deep solar]

If only three weeks then why do I already have 100+ hours in game

[sleek elk]

Bro obviously didn't have a knife

[eternal knoll]

what if the last of us was already halo's flood on earth...

[sleek elk]

Or a gun

[craggy finch]

He just punched them

[twin trout]

channeling his inner battleroid

[sleek elk]

See he would've been fine without it

[deep solar]

I just want Bungie to allow me to punch that’s all I ask

[sleek elk]

You can punch

[twin trout]

quick melee

[deep solar]

I don’t need no gun or knife

I mean only punch

[simple fractal]

Slappers only

[craggy finch]

I want a power knuckle skin for the knife

[twin trout]

the quick melee animation is a punch if you don't have the knife equipped :3

[craggy finch]

Same damage and speed but different animations

[sleek elk]

I do wonder if we'll ever get different melee

[craggy finch]

Jab hook uppercut

[simple fractal]

Brass Knuckle Melee skin

[sleek elk]

Doubtable but would-be neat

[simple fractal]

even if it functioned the same as a knife id be down for it

[craggy finch]

For full fidelity Destroyer’s Tactical Sprint must increase his melee damage and he cannot jump at all

[sleek elk]

Side note, anyone else really think getting vip should give you faction specific cosmetics that reflect the actual theme of the faction

Outside of simple recolors

[eternal knoll]

ok but imagine: an AR grip mod that nerfs the handling but adds an underbarrel grenade launcher

[deep solar]

Bayonet attachments

[twin trout]

cryo becomes even more hellish

[craggy finch]

They have toggles for scope so that could work for the noobtube

[sleek elk]

If thief is the modeled after ex science director then give thief a slick sekiguchi science drip

[deep solar]

Imagine if a retaliator had a shield AND a Bayonet

[sleek elk]

Give assassin or rook some sexy religious arachne robes

A McDonalds employee cosmetic for triage courtesy of nucaloric

[craggy finch]

I instinctively quick melee because of COD brain but it leaves me with a long ass cool-down while the other guy just blasts me in the face

[simple fractal]

And then modelled the shell with toes 👀

[pure wagon]

lowkey i crouch near it sometimes to hear if the whispers change each day

[sleek elk]

I find it suspicious how modeled the toes on thief are

[deep solar]

That reminds me I need to rebind quick melee because C is just kinda awkward to me

[craggy finch]

Vandal and Thief were not designed by the military so they were open to being goonbait

[simple fractal]

ngl the Whte Rabbit skin is worth it for the sole(haha pun) reason that their toes arent showing

[craggy finch]

Vandal was created when MIDA stole a bunch of generic shells and customised them for combat and aesthetics

[deep solar]

Cyber Quentin Tarantino strikes again

[sleek elk]

Anomaly in lore/cinematic

• unknowable and horrific. Will turn you into bubbles

Anomaly in game
-big wall, noisy. Can turn into cube worth 6 whole medkits

[craggy finch]

At the moment it has no interest in kidnapping us

It did it to the colonists and UESC officers though

[sleek elk]

Bro am I not good enough?

FUCKING TAKE ME

I DESERVE TO BE KIDNAPPED

[simple fractal]

Me when I talk to Nona.

[pure wagon]

well the bubble body is there

[sleek elk]

Yes

Now

Turn me into bubble

[pure wagon]

ur not meat and bone human so-

[sleek elk]

I just hope it gets a lil more volatile

[simple fractal]

I'm surprised (glad) it doesn't hurt you when you're near

[pure wagon]

ok im idling in an outpost run and i just heard the creepiest fucking whistling

[dreamy hawk]

I wonder if that’s because our presence is less permanent than the colonists’?

[craggy finch]

We already have environmental damage effects like those lightning strikes and heat rain

It’s perfectly feasible for the Anomaly to do some damage shit on map

[craggy finch]

It also targets the UESC biomata, who interestingly have more of a sense of self

They retain their names and seemingly memories of who they were

This is likely because they stick to the same shell and don’t treat themselves as disposable as Runners do

[dreamy hawk]

Are you referring to Orion’s team?

[dreamy hawk]

I think so, too, if you are talking about his team.

[pure wagon]

it probably will. all the lore stuff surrounding it points to it being malicious. itll be a thing

[craggy finch]

One of Orion’s officers notes that the Runners dont care about dying because they can try again, so there’s a different approach to how UESC treat their own shells

[craggy finch]

Yeah

[sleek elk]

Orion would be cool as a new faction ngl

[craggy finch]

We jump between shells and personality matrixes while constantly dying so we lose our memories and self identity

UESC aims to minimise shell loss and officers likely never shift from their issued shells

[pure wagon]

or it costs a fuckton

[sleek elk]

I am kinda curious if we'll ever get faction "wars"

[pure wagon]

the admiral even mentions it

[sleek elk]

Something similar to the finals sponsors

[pure wagon]

i feel like

[craggy finch]

They’re an elite hand picked team as well

The name thing is a small detail that speaks volumes by itself

[pure wagon]

?

[sleek elk]

Side note

[craggy finch]

It seems they only shift shells in the case of death, which should be rare given their status and mindset

[sleek elk]

What kinda shell is charter

Or is it like a custom

[craggy finch]

Custom job or online avatar

[pure wagon]

custom af

[craggy finch]

It’s like how Orion looks unique

[pure wagon]

icl orion looks like a uesc bot with two eyes and a hood/cape

[sleek elk]

I feel like given he used to be a runner

That's how he actually looks

Rather than a avatar

[craggy finch]

The new shell for Season 2 might be a proper UESC model as well

[sleek elk]

Plus I like the idea of him crawling around like a freak

[craggy finch]

Destroyer is decommissioned officially and Recon is black ops

[sleek elk]

Sentinel does so uesc-ish

Sound*

[dreamy hawk]

Do you feel Destroyer and Recon aren’t?

[sleek elk]

What's assassin btw

[craggy finch]

Given how inhuman their mindset has become Arachne would definitely have their shells push the limits on physiology (Charter seemingly already has four arms)

[dreamy hawk]

UESC shells, off the shelf, would probably be bad for use given the matrix’s restraints on free will and autonomy.

[pure wagon]

bro's just channeling his inner shiva

[craggy finch]

Super secret UESC project that never officially got used besides SekGen testing

[sleek elk]

I still feel like faction relation wise

Arachne and SekiGuchi are 2 sides of a coin and are chill with each other

[craggy finch]

They’re currently decommissioned though, I mean that we might get approximations of what Orion’s crew has

[craggy finch]

Yeah they’re both the transhumanist factions

[sleek elk]

Given the whole test the limits

[craggy finch]

SekGen more about the craft while Arachne is focused on the deathless part

[sleek elk]

Worm mommy and spider daddy

I hope they never get divorced

[craggy finch]

They not even together we’re going to be Parent Trapping them

We’re Lindsey Lohan but she’s cloned instead of twinned

[craggy finch]

Runners do all sorts of alterations lore wise so maybe the Sentinel is a shell they recently cracked the code on to make them more suitable for running

[dreamy hawk]

My money is on an artificer/gadget archetype either way.

[craggy finch]

Not to stick to one thread but in the MIDA storyline a log focusing on an officer has her performing a lot of maintenance on the ARS

I’ve seen speculation of an Enginner type

Sentry and such

Poot dispenser here

[dense delta]

Sentry would be cwazy

[dreamy hawk]

I’m calling that a gadget. 😂

(If I make my definition broad enough I can’t be wrong!)

[eternal knoll]

what was the name of the upcoming guy again? bastion, was it?

[craggy finch]

Sentinel

[eternal knoll]

sentinel...

[dreamy hawk]

Spamtinel

[eternal knoll]

it sure sounds like turrets. i'm hoping for deployable barricade walls

[craggy finch]

He has a big ol helmet in the blurry teaser pic

[remote magnet]

Arachne is more about the spirituall aspects of Transhumanism, while Sekiguchi is about the down and dirty practical things

[craggy finch]

Helmet = UESC

[dreamy hawk]

Deployable cover would be nice.

[craggy finch]

Essence vs Form

[dreamy hawk]

Just a big baseball fan.

[craggy finch]

Also looking very armoured up in that teaser

https://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/marathon/6/6c/Marathon_Roadmap.jpg?width=366&dpr=2&format=jpg&auto=webp&quality=80

Big ass shoulders

But with a xenomorph head helmet too

Or Tau Fire Warrior

[pure wagon]

random question but do you have any idea how ppl are getting into pinwheel without drone conveyance or opening any of the elevators and setting off alarms??

[sudden pollen]

I dont think they are unless theres some very obscure glitch

[pure wagon]

there has to be, cause i keep loading into outpost as rook to find ppl in pinwheel. drone conveyance isnt active, and none of the elevators are open, and destroyed wing cant be entered so like ??

[sudden pollen]

Dunno man

[dreamy hawk]

👻

[pure wagon]

what

[dreamy hawk]

It’s ghosts.

If you were hoping for a serious answer I’m not the one. Sorry.

[burnt nebula]

are all of the people in the Cryo archive dead?

[craggy finch]

I like the dormitories entrance because you can either parkour your way up or climb up the ladders like a normal person

[sleek elk]

Not that I know of, I do know drone conveyance can be bugged and appear as offline

[dense plume]

Try asking this question in #🗣marathon-general-chat or #new-noise . This channel is dedicated to chat about Marathon’s lore. Not to say that those who chill here wouldn’t know but most are either curious about or very knowledgeable about the lore.

[sleek elk]

But is usable

[dreamy hawk]

Unclear.

[burnt nebula]

do all the people pods in cryo archive just contain dead people?

ok

[sleek elk]

Side note

[eternal knoll]

if theyve been frozen this whole time then we'd expect them not to be in very good shape, at the very least

[dreamy hawk]

They’re probably not doing so hot but it’s not a questions that’s been answered or hinted at as far as I am aware.

[burnt nebula]

because there do seem to be some pods still being moved around, so like maybe some people are still being maintained and alive

[sleek elk]

I just want more robotic looking cosmetics. Though I know in lore rook kinda can't be used for long due to mental issues

Unsure if that relates to looking like robot

[dreamy hawk]

There were experimental cryo cohorts. Things could still be on ice, normally or not.

[craggy finch]

It’s not a biocybernetic shell, literally a mass produced robot that Runners jury rigged a mental sync to

[burnt nebula]

yeah. well i dunno how if they need food of some sort or they're literally frozen and dont eat?

*dont need an energy supply

[craggy finch]

Destroyer and Recon might have their helmets as part of their physiology

[pure wagon]

tbh i think theyre all dead

cause wasnt cryo like iffy even when it was being tended to very carefully?

[dreamy hawk]

No. Point is that their metabolism stops. But they do note measures to prevent atrophy and unless those have continued on, 💀

[sleek elk]

So in other words

[eternal knoll]

imagine uploading yr consciousness into a bot in such a way that yr still sayin shit like "scavenger protocol engaged..."

[burnt nebula]

grim

[sleek elk]

I can maybe have robot looking rubbers

[dreamy hawk]

If anyone is still alive, it would be in brain only (most likely). And even then…

[sleek elk]

I still find it funny that runners besides vandal and thief have hair

Bad a stroke typing that

[empty flume]

they might just be antennas or sensors

i imagine to a degree it might also be there for familiarity

[sleek elk]

Assassin has dreads underneath his hood

[empty flume]

probably feels more natural to have hair

[craggy finch]

In the cinematic the Rook panics and mag dumps, so the Runner’s mind is still very “human”, but it has a very limited vocalisation set (every Shell’s personality matrix has presets for talking)

[burnt nebula]

very grim... i suppose the AI that manages everything is gone so im not sure why they're still being moved around at all. you would think by now the entire system would have ground to a halt especially since the place is trashed

[visual lynx]

I expect them to contain zombies

[sleek elk]

Bungee has now confirmed

Bald people aren't real people

[eternal knoll]

the cinematic does also show the UESC disguise ability appear to reprogram the bots around him, which doesn't seem to be how it works ingame, so some confusing canonicity to some of the stuff in the cinematics. but aye

[sleek elk]

Atleast every cinematic follows one consistent gameplay point

[craggy finch]

Thief was designed after one of the people who engineered her whole Vandal is a MIDA custom job, so they seem to be rarities for having hair (aesthetic purposes)

[empty flume]

what about triage!

[sleek elk]

Recon is always fucking dead

[craggy finch]

Orion has a big old robot face

[sleek elk]

Because they suck doo doo

[sleek elk]

Triage isn't a person

Supports arent people

[pure wagon]

LMAO

[sleek elk]

They're healing mules

[craggy finch]

I think it’s just visual shorthand, they do the gameplay thing of turning on you if a Rook fired a shot

[burnt nebula]

no triage is the man and everyone else is the killing mule

[sleek elk]

Side note, I've noticed a increase of triages who don't play support

Like brother

[craggy finch]

Every Triage I’ve filled crew with has main character energy

[sleek elk]

If you don't use your healing drone, and you don't use your revoot6

THEN PLAY DESTROYER

NOT TRIAGE

[craggy finch]

They do reboot but I’m a corpse in the middle of a firefight and immediately get gunned down again

[sleek elk]

I watched a triage proceed to try and 1v1 a destroyer. Fail miserably run away, allow the destroyer to full Rev his team

Then die

Like bro

You had enough to Rev any1 of us

I know your ult is ready

Both me and the dead team mate are safe

[pure wagon]

drones only for healing himself lmao

[sleek elk]

That too

[burnt nebula]

my prime on cryo does nothing to purples. people just tank it and drop me

as triage

[craggy finch]

Oh yeah I remember a Triage who did fuck all to help anyone in Dire Marsh, especially after I died, and the other teammate was a blue shield Destroyer who was carrying 1v3 (maybe even 6) until he revived me and he got sniped after that so I helped him rez, then we managed to exfil

[sleek elk]

Side note how do drones work in this game anyways

[craggy finch]

The Triage guy disconnected immediately after dying

[sleek elk]

With most shells their ability is apart of the shell. Something reusable

But triage, recons, and thief drone are all manifested

Do we carry a miny 3d printer?

And the cooldown time is just the time it takes to 3d print

Lore wise it doesn't matter but I does interest me

[craggy finch]

Printer items are a thing on the map

And those are almost a century old at the very least

If not 400+ from the pre expedition era

[sleek elk]

So yes, we probably have super tiny 3d printers?

[dreamy hawk]

They’re like those little sponge dinosaurs that came in the little capsules.

[craggy finch]

Our shells can have more condensed tech on themselves

[dreamy hawk]

Just add water and boom! Drone.

[sleek elk]

Radical ngl

[sleek elk]

WAIT

[dreamy hawk]

This will be my official head canon until otherwise corrected.

[sleek elk]

What the fuck is the healing juice from triage....

[craggy finch]

There’s no actual water on Tau Ceti, that shit is all alkaline

[sleek elk]

If the drones are 3d printed

[eternal knoll]

well, we know there's teleporters

[sleek elk]

Then how does he juice them

[dreamy hawk]

Water can be alkaline.

[sleek elk]

....

[dreamy hawk]

Alkalinity is in reference to pH.

[sleek elk]

A unlimited supply of drones that we can teleport from

Lil matter transfers

[dreamy hawk]

Little pez dispenser that has a cooldown.