📚marathon-lore-discussion

[north plank]

CyAc presumably

[fallen walrus]

Thanks I’ll read it

[worldly maple]

Btw, what do you think Durandal is back on Tau Ceti for? I think he's after the bioweapons of UESC

[fallen walrus]

That makes sense

[twin trout]

I would send the image but I CANT grr

[fossil zodiac]

They also decide when your debt is paid off, whatever they deem "satisfactory".

[strong ether]

With the sole exception of Saturo Gojo of course.

[fossil zodiac]

Meaning they could own you forever if they want.

[strong ether]

With the sole exception of Saturo Gojo of course.

[north plank]

not to mention that every time you die it adds to the debt

[worldly maple]

Might actually look to inhabit a shell, imagine fighting Durandal in a shell as a boss, lmao

[fossil zodiac]

I actually don't know who that is! I will look into it though.

[fossil zodiac]

Price for immortality!

[north plank]

it's some anime shit

[gray sluice]

Japanslop

Animation 🫥 animation in Japan (anime) 😲 🤯

[sage lark]

Idk why he would want that

I think hes there looking for jjaro artifacts or there to contain the Wrk the colonists uncovered

[gray sluice]

I don't wanna fight durandal he's my boy

[sage lark]

A.k.a the Anomaly

[twin trout]

escapes only to imprison himself in a shell x3

[sage lark]

Makes sense right

[gray sluice]

Yeah we ain't fighting durandal

Maybe Tycho

But not directly

[worldly maple]

To interact physically with jarro tech without a need for a third party like the battle droid

[gray sluice]

But istg we get to cryo and it's just some bs Tycho boss fight where he sends bots while you do a puzzle to shut him down and they kill him off I'm gonna start some devious things in bungie HQ

[twin trout]

I don't think a shell can physically contain durandal anyways

[gray sluice]

Jkjk id never threaten my Bungie (ilysm)

[twin trout]

don't rampant ai like consume all the computers near them to add processing power and what not

[sage lark]

I think they grow beyond their original capabilities so id assume they would need more resources than originally

[twin trout]

yea

[sage lark]

Even if its the fungus amongus zombies as predicted id still be hyped

[twin trout]

like how leela ate an entire planetary network after being sold

[sage lark]

Havent fought the flood since halo 3

@vocal geyser @cunning sapphire you guys dont happen to have the last entry for the anomaly sample right? From dire marsh

Think its called Night Patrol

[vocal geyser]

i will check, but be sure to check out breach protocol everyone!! coordinated push in 16 minutes!!!! lets unlock cryo archive together!!!

[sage lark]

Tysm 🙏🏿🙏🏿

[restive knoll]

godammit the fungus better not be that sphit virus from their homeworld

[gray sluice]

That's in the holy trinity

[blazing notch]

So, you guys know the ghostlike figure in camera 7 on the cryoarchive website? I'm wondering if it could be connected to the shades from Pathways into Darkness

[gray sluice]

I really should make a holy trilogy diagram and refer to it everytime someone asks whats in cryo

[gray sluice]

Show me in #🎨marathon-community-art-chat

[vocal geyser]

i do not unfortunately

[gray sluice]

Idk what ur on ab

[gray sluice]

Vro OPEN YOUR EYES ofc it is😭

[vocal geyser]

if you are playing right now check out breach-protocol channel and help out with arg if ya can!!!1

[livid lion]

Durandal got himself down to a chip that could fit into the Security Officer’s skull.

It was a desperate move but he can do it

[sage lark]

Thats ok thank you

[twin trout]

oh yeah he did do that didn't he

x3

[runic stratus]

anyone remember when bungie said we would be immortalized in the lore for figuring stuff out? are they still doing this?

[half lotus]

I thought he only uploaded himself into the pod the security officer escaped in

"In the final moments of the Battle of Tau Ceti, Durandal uploaded his consciousness to the captured Pfhor vessel (which he rechristened the Boomer) and departed the system, taking the Security Officer with him in a stasis pod."

[livid lion]

I'm talking about Marathon 2/the repeat in Marathon Infinity

[hexed plinth]

[restive knoll]

It was Infinity where he hitches a ride with the player - in 2 its not quite clear how he survives (I think he reassembles himself on a pfor ship and takes it over)

[latent python]

What about a bingus

[viscid holly]

FAKE WEBSITE DONT DO ANYTHING

[gray sluice]

EVERYONE DONT DO THIS

[fallen badger]

someone did some looking on the backend and it is just feeding info to an ai model, potentially malicious, DO NOT GIVE YOUR DAC

[copper hinge]

I might be smoking sparkleaf but does anyone else connect the incredibly vibrant colors of the artstyle to the idea of color based tracking, where its all bright and color coded so that cameras or ai can more easily identify it? Obviously a runner shell is almost 1:1 to human optics but for UESC, etc, it would make sense that having everyhing be so identifyable helps them be more effective

[jolly cargo]

wait is this part of the ARG?

[gray sluice]

I put mine in before people said it was malicious

Should I be worried?

[sharp vine]

Hmmm… I can see that

[fierce mica]

I'm not sure what someone else could do with your DAC

[jolly cargo]

i mean the website instantly got my discord username

[sharp vine]

Unsure if this goes here but just wondering if I wanted to read a book with similar vibes to marathon what would you all recommend? (Outside of the Halo novels and old man’s war)

[latent python]

This makes sense, but I have also been running with the idea that the megacorps fired everyone except graphic designers, so now there is Only Branding

Interior design? No, there is Only Branding

NuCal paid for this wall and therefore it will be bright pink goddammit

[zinc jacinth]

Pretty sure the pathways into darkness wrbpage is legit

[latent python]

Altered Carbon and its sequels for sure

[jolly cargo]

If anyone has done 3D printing, they would tell you that when printing large items, you would need to swap filaments cause you don’t have enough of the same colour. Now combine that with the logic that a lot of modern 3D print sites embed their logos in the print files and I’m starting to see a pattern.

everything now looks mismatched and has logos plastered all over it

plus it would make sense to send a colony ship with building materials rather than actual pre-fab bases. More flexible

[zinc jacinth]

Damn good book

[latent python]

After that I can make book recommendations based on whether you like the bio/cyber vibes or the colony/frontier vibes

For example, there's a lot of old Marathon in the Expanse books, especially the megacorps and politicking and surprise aliens

But less of the transhumanism

[blazing notch]

Wait is this referring to the explore tau Ceti website with the faction personality test?

[karmic sleet]

wait what website?

[latent python]

The link's been deleted while people figure out if it's legit or not I think

[karmic sleet]

roger

Steerage cam is up

those are definitely fuckin coffins/caskets

Same with biostock - those HAVE to be coffins

[hollow ridge]

Okay so I have a theory i feel is kinda crackpot but like... what if the missing colonists have become one with a W’rkncacnter via the anomaly, and thats why you can sometimes hear disembodied voices when youre near the thing in dire marsh?

[karmic sleet]

I'm with you on this, something definitely assimilated everyone - where are the bodies...

[blazing notch]

i was trying to figure out if they were coffins or cryopods but im leaning towards coffins

[plucky sierra]

There could have been an effort to leave

Roanoke colony style

[karmic sleet]

Different but same same hahaha

[plucky sierra]

We know there were other candidate planets

[karmic sleet]

I didnt even consider cryopods

[hollow ridge]

I mean, im a little behind on some of the contracts atm but if a log says somethin about em tryna leave ive not heard it yet

[karmic sleet]

Just, it sounded like there was an outbreak of something and maybe those coffins/caskets/cryopods were the attempt to try to contain it

[blazing notch]

Does anyone else find it really strange that the ones in biostock are smeared in what looks like runner blood??

[hollow ridge]

Wait what if its a hivemind fungus kinda outbreak?

[karmic sleet]

i noticed this too

[hollow ridge]

Cuz some of those things in quarantine look like how mold grows on food here on earth a little

[karmic sleet]

Also, that seems to be ice on the left side of biostock? hmm

[hollow ridge]

Also you get a little pfp if you go in a freezer with the biostock. They wouldnt do that if it wasnt important

[karmic sleet]

wait what?

what do you mean by that

oh shit MORe cameras up

[hollow ridge]

Hold on i might be on the wrong track here but theres a triumph for "gracing the LIVE_STOCK with your presence" on outpost

[karmic sleet]

idk if 09 was already up

[blazing notch]

Other cameras came up

[karmic sleet]

please god not the Pfhor

[blazing notch]

Only 3 left

Its interesting that 09 doesnt have a hotkey...

[karmic sleet]

the others do?

[blazing notch]

Yeah just hit the number

[karmic sleet]

ooo i see

[blazing notch]

x to hotkey out

[karmic sleet]

hmm....

The color difference in the pods might mean something too

they're yellow in steerage, and blue in biostock

[blazing notch]

Probably

[hollow ridge]

Id expect something like that with cam 7, not 9. Unless the Nine exist here too lmaoo /j

[blazing notch]

Also you can Shift + S to take a screenshot but it just gives you an error message and boots you out of the camera after a few seconds

[karmic sleet]

ETA 2:30 until cameras reestablish connection

[latent python]

Is _gantry a former runner like Charter?

[fast void]

do it during the glitch in the screen

like a quick time event

[blazing notch]

I tried, same thing happened

[fathom egret]

I got them all captured you gotta time it right

[rotund stump]

unknown

but charter from arachne is

notorious for assassinating a trax exec and dipped from the records entirely until ONI rediscovered him while trying to dig for arachne info

[latent python]

I feel like _gantry is the most likely other candidate for being a runner

[kindred sapphire]

Maybe he'd be a hacker type like sombro

[rotund stump]

well we...wouldn't know

per MIDA's anarchistic nature it's natural to be decentralized and us not knowing who gantry actually is kinda fits that

[latent python]

I also hold that Vulcan is the lion

[rotund stump]

vulcan can be anything she wants to represent herself with

but ONI did address her as female

[livid lion]

He is I think but ONI makes it clear that he's contacting you from the solar system

So he isn't a Tau Ceti runner like you

[latent python]

Oh I forgot that he's actually still in sol

[rotund stump]

none of the reps would actually be in tau ceti lol

[livid lion]

Orion is but he isn't a rep (yet)

[latent python]

From what I can tell there aren't any bio humans in Tau Ceti at all? Just robots, runners, some of the AIs

[rotund stump]

gonna have to specify the era

[latent python]

I guess anyone who might still be stuck in a cryo chamber

During this game

[carmine zephyr]

Orion and gantry should kiss and make-up

[livid lion]

Not possible to say for certain imo. But the number must surely be small to zero.

[latent python]

Like it seems that the colony is totally collapsed and there hasn't been enough time to transport more bio humans back to Tau Ceti to replace them

Which is why the runners are among the few humans around, they got their minds beamed in

[livid lion]

Like Nardin said that Orion gave up his body which means he's in a similar situation to the players

and if the commander is digitized, would any of his subordinates be?

probably not but non zero chance

[sudden pollen]

REAL

[latent python]

Definitely doesn't seem like the robots we're fighting are supposed to have runners inside of them

[livid lion]

The bots (other than the Warden it seems) are run by UESC AI processes

so yeah

[latent python]

Right

[hollow ridge]

Watch Orion turn into an ingame boss on Cryo Archive

[latent python]

It reeeeally seems like the first boss on cryo is gonna be a compiler

[livid lion]

Connection to the Marathon is difficult even for the UESC so I doubt that

[rotund stump]

I'd rather run the facts instead lol cryo boss is definitely the compiler

[hollow ridge]

There's multiple warden bosses on the other maps tho so like. Whos to say?

[latent python]

I could definitely see Orion being a boss at some point

[rotund stump]

2 counts of insubordination early in his career which MIDA wants to exploit to get him out along with multiple war-crime worthy records, rumored to have deployed a very violent AI named cerberus to control all the patrols we've been fighting with (per obedience matrix codex & others), has a shell like us (bespoke, shells were all tailor-made until the tau ceti craze)

[hollow ridge]

Maybe their "raidlike" experience is, like destiny raids with multiple encounters and the compiler is the final one

Maybe its Cerberus, Orion, Compiler?

[rotund stump]

I mean

if we're gonna look at this from a destiny lens then all this feels reasonable

but this is marathon, we're not made to change the status quo

[hollow ridge]

Yeah maybe im a little biased

[bleak linden]

• a "personal relationship" with a MIDA agent

[snow heath]

Is Console still locked to 60fps?

[rotund stump]

every destiny villain we've fought changes the world a tiny (lot) bit, we're just illegal runners here on tau ceti on corpo contracts acting as target practice for UESC patrols and parasites eating away at the planet's corpse

[latent python]

Though then you have to ask if there are infinite compilers or if we don't quite kill it

[hollow ridge]

I mean, for lore reasons maybe we do kill it but not gameplay

[rotund stump]

well there's already pfhor dissection logs

[hollow ridge]

True, (I have none of these) dhshsv

[rotund stump]

if regular security personnel could gun down a horde of them then I think we can handle a compiler no problem

not that we can wipe the floor with them like the security officer did so imagine us vs the officer himself 💀

point being it's still a massive challenge but fending off pfhor forces is very possible

[hollow ridge]

Oh now theres an idea, mjolnir robot encounter

[topaz mica]

Or the cyborgs!

[hollow ridge]

That feels more plausible lol

[latent python]

My guess is that runner power level is somewhere between swarm of BOBs and battleroid

[rotund stump]

we are Absolutely Not Battleroid Strength

granted there's like no actual "big boss" of the marathonverse other than...the officer ig

[hollow ridge]

Lest ye forget our buddy, the w'rkncacnter

[rotund stump]

well no that's just a killswitch for the entire universe 💀

[hollow ridge]

True.

[rotund stump]

I don't think smth like this deserves a spot on the power list if it's like fundamental universal rule level strong

[hollow ridge]

Honestly then yeah im in agreement with you.

[topaz mica]

What about the one in pathways?

[latent python]

So, like, do we "know" what's inside Tau Ceti IV? Is it probably another w'rkncacnter?

[hollow ridge]

I mean, that one's dead.

Probably

[rotund stump]

not so much dead than dormant and left for the jjaro to deal with lol

probably chucked into the sun

or if popular theory of tau ceti being "alive" goes through then the jjaro likely did chuck it to tau ceti ala the anomaly

[hollow ridge]

I theorised a little bit ago that the anomaly is the w'rkncacnter of tau ceti, and it absorbed the colonists into it, and thats why you can hear voices you cant make out by it.

[latent python]

Wait there's a theory that Tau Ceti's w'rkncacnter is Earth's old w'rkncacnter?

[hollow ridge]

Wait what???

I didnt say that, my bad.

[rotund stump]

there's been discussion

I recommend leaving them tinfoiling on their own

[latent python]

What's "the anomaly"

[hollow ridge]

The POI in dire marsh.

[latent python]

Oh

[topaz mica]

Fungus? Time distortion?

[woven jasper]

I feel like Battleroids are overrated. We have a single example. The other 9 all died instantly.

[latent python]

I thought that was just the w'rkncacnter bursting at the seams a bit, if that is indeed what it is

[rotund stump]

I mean fair but per memoranda drafts if even one mjolnir's overkill for operation implications I think we have reasons to fear it as much

there's a reason they switched out the mjolnirs to oguns and harpes in the final draft lol

[devout relic]

the other 9 held off the initial phor attack no?

it was the second wave that killed them

[rotund stump]

^

[woven jasper]

Aaah. I may have missed that then.

[rotund stump]

and that was the pfhor being pissy and straight up nuked the place 😭

[latent python]

Which means...they might be alive! Or have been alive

[devout relic]

roids are probably just spartan analogues but slightly weaker

[hollow ridge]

Maybe?

[gray sluice]

Not true

[latent python]

Anyway if Tau Ceti is diagnosed with stage 4 w'rkncacnter, that would make it the third one in the Marathon extended universe

[gray sluice]

They withheld the pfhor attack on tau ceti with minimal losses

[hollow ridge]

Also what the hell does Durandal mean by "I have visited a lake of flesh, breathing, pink and raw"

[rotund stump]

we uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[gray sluice]

If PiD is canon which is a big IF

[rotund stump]

Have No Fucking Idea

[latent python]

He hugged a bingus

[hollow ridge]

HA

[blazing notch]

I thought it was the Spht that wiped out Tau Ceti am I missing something?

[rotund stump]

let's not question what a god-AI that transcended time's been seeing

[woven jasper]

Alright. Guess I missed that. Nvm.

[devout relic]

spht are slaves to the phor, think sangheli under the covenant kind of thing, race under the same banner

[gray sluice]

No the anomaly and the disease did but the disease may be a s'phit one I can't say the name as I forgot it tho😭

[blazing notch]

Right I got that, still trying to get a handle on the lore though. Didn't we free them?

[latent python]

The s'pht also wouldn't have wiped out Tau Ceti in the original timeline as, yeah, they were freed by the

[gray sluice]

Yes but that clearly was retconned

Through timeline bs

[devout relic]

durandal freed them but only the ones under his banner, there are probably ones that havent been freed/dont align with either faction/are protecting the marathon awaiting durandal's command/return

[woven jasper]

I wonder… if a Runner can switch between shells, how much does a Personality Matrix affect them? How much personality is retained when a Runner abandons their body?

[rotund stump]

not so much retconned

more like setting a foundation for the various m.inf twists

[gray sluice]

They wouldn't be in compiler cages though

[rotund stump]

cuz m2 did happen, m.inf's 7 versions of the same-ish thing

[blazing notch]

I'm only just getting to the Marathon: Durrandal recap tho so I might be missing a ton of context

[latent python]

Well, you see, the runners are compelled to do different voice lines

[gray sluice]

Nah one of the holy Trinity of things in cryo is that the security guard failed in this timeline thus stopping the war completely

And the battleroids bodies are in cryo as durandal experiments with them

[hollow ridge]

Theres clearly been compilers on tau cuz of that one item from Outpost, the "Confiscated Colonial Folklore", too

[gray sluice]

As you were "destiny" and had some sort of primordial energy

[rotund stump]

the pfhor attack did happen yes

[gray sluice]

Only question is what is keeping them from going ceti side?

The anomaly or are they protecting the ai in cryo. That's the Tycho part of the holy trinity

[hollow ridge]

UESC? Durandal? We dunno

[rotund stump]

where's this coming from 😭

[gray sluice]

This is the holy trinity of things 100% in cryo

Very likely to happen

[blazing notch]

I really need to do more priority contracts so I can get up to speed on the new story that has been released. Do any of the factions have more to say than others in that regard?

[rotund stump]

only speculation until then

[gray sluice]

MIDA

[devout relic]

could be that the anomaly thru time shenanigans spit out some spht to tau ceti before the invasion occured, and thats whats killing ppl in the security logs in the codex?

[gray sluice]

Yeah but all speculations have to have faith

Thus the holy Trinity

It's a microcosm

[rotund stump]

agree to disagree ig

just don't go strutting around with it as facts

[gray sluice]

Are you stupid?

[rotund stump]

well that was uncalled for 💀

[gray sluice]

What's a microcosm?

[hollow ridge]

A small portion of the disrespect you've suddenly gained in my eyes lmaooooo

[devout relic]

microcosms arent like implied to be hypothetical or speculative

[gray sluice]

Yet the holy trinity is

That's what it is a microcosm of

Religion

[devout relic]

they're a small example that mirrors a trend

[gray sluice]

As I believe in it

Exactly

[devout relic]

????????????????

how does this relate to marathon

[gray sluice]

Why do you think I call it the holy trinity

[hollow ridge]

Okay please tell me how marathon is a religious mirror of the Christian Holy Trinity.

[gray sluice]

Ugh

Not an in game or in lore thing

It's the 3 things 100% in cryo

[hollow ridge]

Three parts equal one whole I get that angle.

[gray sluice]

Hold on

[hollow ridge]

But we dont know what's in cryo and can only take educational guesses.

[devout relic]

jesus christ of nazareth is cryogenically preserved in the archives 💯

[woven jasper]

What are the 3 things? What is this Holy Trinity?

[latent python]

I think what they're saying is that if they reintroduce an aspect of one of the three Marathon ship AIs they're going to include aspects of all three ship AIs

[woven jasper]

You keep saying it like we all know it.

[hollow ridge]

Its Colonists in cryo, or aliens, or both, maybe?

[devout relic]

blue shield, longshot, v11 punch

[blazing notch]

I missed this part of the apocrypha my bad

[woven jasper]

[gray sluice]

...

[blazing notch]

Oh so you are saying if one of those is in cryo then the other two neccessarily have to exist?

[devout relic]

ok that i can probably agree with

[blazing notch]

Or am I still misunderstanding

[devout relic]

no just one of the three is 100% in the archives and that each one is hugely important to lore

[gray sluice]

No I'm saying 1 of those is 100% in cryo

My holy Trinity

[woven jasper]

Why Tycho? Maybe I’ve not read enough on cryo and what we have in term of clues.

[gray sluice]

Also the main 3 things absolutely pertinent to the story

[blazing notch]

Oh ok, I guess I don't see how that relates to the trinity but I understand what you are trying to say now

[hollow ridge]

Ditto

[devout relic]

tycho i kinda doubt is in the archives given he fucked off to the phor before the marathon was even abandoned in marathon 1 no?

[gray sluice]

It's not literal😭

[hollow ridge]

Ohh its a personal thing lmaooo

I feel stupid, my baddd

[latent python]

Yeah Tycho got...eaten? By the s'pht

[gray sluice]

Pfhor kept Tycho to study jjaro tech after making him rampant

For years between M1 and M2

[devout relic]

yeah but why would he be on the marathon now

[gray sluice]

If we retcon M2 they would send him to study the wrk

[devout relic]

in like the timelines that dont get fucked he dies p much no?

[gray sluice]

Or whatever jjaro bs is the anomaly

[blazing notch]

You might need to help me out here I still dont get it but I'm also willing to just give it up at this point

[devout relic]

yeah i think the anomaly probably isnt a wrkncauliflower or at least not directly

[gray sluice]

The holy trinity is the culmination of all my marathon knowledge btw

I spent a heinous time going through lore to get to that conclusion

[hollow ridge]

Its their personal theory of what three things they think are in the actual cryo archive aboard the marathon itself

[hollow ridge]

Their personal "top three most likely based on their understanding of the lore"

[latent python]

My pet theory right now is that the novel contagion that was affecting the colony ended up being informatic in some way

[gray sluice]

It spreads through machinery and though organics yes. This was referenced in the logs

Called the S'ct'lac'tr

[latent python]

Which is why they put up a data wall

[gray sluice]

Also MIGHT be the reason for darius' pre emptive rampancy

Or he just gets nervous sometimes🤣

[devout relic]

maybe a logic plague type situation where it affects sentient beings, not just organics and could exacerbate rampancy

[misty goblet]

How do you pronounce S’ct’lac’tr?

Sclackter?

[latent python]

Skitlecter

[gray sluice]

Suctlacter

[misty goblet]

truly dialectic

[devout relic]

sih clack tur

dih clack tung

[gray sluice]

There's a theory that the wrk and the jjaro are both the same species and just different factions btw

We just don't know

[blazing notch]

I thought the jjaro were just super advanced technology gods and the wyrk was a cosmic entity

[devout relic]

wasnt there a saying where the wrk were heralded in basically every ancient species' legends wheras the jjaro arent known in the same way

[gray sluice]

One and the same possibly?

[devout relic]

i dont dislike that idea though

thematic parallels with the forerunners and old ones from halo, and the more closely a story beat matches halo the more likely it is to be true

[gray sluice]

The jjaro being a warring species would be a meta commentary on the fickle nature of all parts of nature being subjective to war and pillaging

[latent python]

The jjaro are certainly the ones who show up whenever a w'rkncacnter is about to

[gray sluice]

And that's a key theme in marathon 2026

But this is a REALLY new theory so don't take it literally (for now)

[devout relic]

maybe a mantle type situation that they have to safeguard the sentient beings from the cosmic threats

[latent python]

They're the silver surfer

[devout relic]

durandal takes the mantle and is returning to tau ceti to tie up the loose end of that cosmic entities' threat to humanity

💯 hire me bungoid

[gray sluice]

I mean if he was merged with Thoth in this timeline maybe

Though I really do think the S'phit wouldn't be in compilers under his rule

[devout relic]

unlikely imo given the terminals dont talk like the merged one

[latent python]

Would they be back to frog people?

[devout relic]

do we know if its possible to even remove them from compilers?

[latent python]

I don't think you can

[gray sluice]

He's pretty apathic to everything else I would say he would only be here to find out to survive what happens to failed timelines

[gray sluice]

It is

Hold on

[latent python]

I thought you'd have to kill them to remove the cybernetics

[devout relic]

^ or maybe they were kept in the compilers and sent to interface with the marathon in order to unlock its secrets

[restive knoll]

So uh, fun fact, the original concept for the Sphit virus levels in M2 was that it would turn organic beings into fungal zombies

[gray sluice]

Durandal would likely just do that himself

He has the most access to the ship

Being the doorman and all

[devout relic]

after so long maybe those connections were damaged/left offline/ he was locked out after the subsequent phor invasion wiped the colony

[gray sluice]

Yeah and I did talk to another guy in the chat about it and we agreed it'd be a mimicry of the flood in some ways

[devout relic]

or the colony ai are keeping him from doing so since he kinda sorta led the aliens to murder everyone

[gray sluice]

Colony ai would have no way of knowing

Him and Tycho are the only ones who are currently feasibly alive who can interface with the UESC marathon ship

[devout relic]

why not? they definitely heard the radar ping he sent out, and there were bobs that survived the ship that could have made it off the ship

[latent python]

Ooh right I was going to ask the list of colony AIs we know

[gray sluice]

Not true a signal may be tightbeam

[devout relic]

yes i agree, but i dont think that implies that another AI hasnt taken control/control was removed from him by tycho and tycho is dormant or something

a copy of tycho i mean

[gray sluice]

And thus the holy trinity shows

Lisian al gaieb

[blazing notch]

Ok I know this is old news but I just finished the durrandal review, and there are some random references made in the terminals that seem really intentional considering Destiny lore. Chicago gets mentioned once or twice as having some sort of anomaly, some of the wave descriptors for the wyrk are similar to ones used to describe the winnower, stuff like that. Is there anywhere that has a big collection of these parallels and possible theories?

[latent python]

Just to check, why is Tycho in your trinity and not Durandal

[devout relic]

yeah tycho isnt unlikely at all imo, could be tycho controlled spht compilers and the different encounters of the raid are to take down each system of the AI currently on the marathon and then heist it

[gray sluice]

Durandal isn't in cryo

I'd bet money

I'd bet my future kids

It just wouldn't make sense

[latent python]

Oh I see, you know he's in the game just not in cryo

[gray sluice]

Hes in terminals rn

Telling runners to stop trying to get on the marathon and look to the stars

[latent python]

Yeah

[gray sluice]

I'm guessing he may be scared of the S'phit contagion that may be in cryo

[woven jasper]

I doubt we’re going to see a lot of Destiny crossover. People were theorizing Marathon crossovers in the early days of Destiny and it never panned out beyond the Multi-Tool.

[gray sluice]

Or he doesn't want Tycho to get out

Maybe pfhor trapped him in there to study the anomaly

For eternity

[latent python]

Both Destiny and Marathon make some of the same references, such as to the game of life

But I wouldn't look much past that

[gray sluice]

Yeah but it's just easter eggs

I don't believe the Bungie verse bs

Like for example traxus is pretty much the same in both universes

[latent python]

I think it's fun that there are references, I don't think it's key to unlocking anything

[muted aspen]

sorry as I'm sure this has been asked before, but do we know if this new Marathon takes place after the entire trilogy? Or somewhere between the games?

[gray sluice]

We don't know

Dates wise after

But we don't know if we are in the same timeline as the marathon trilogy

[woven jasper]

Marathon 3 throws a huge wrench into the idea of timelines though.

[latent python]

In fact we kind of know it can't be the same timeline as 2

[gray sluice]

Ish

[latent python]

Ish

[karmic sleet]

were those green lasers always on in biostock??

[woven jasper]

We are, however, in the best timeline as Arachne exists.

[gray sluice]

The hacker traps?

[surreal spade]

well rasputin does explicitly quote durandal and refer to him as his "cousin" (rasputin being another kinda-insane ai)

[latent python]

Most of Marathon 2 is also not super relevant to what's going on back on Tau Ceti

[woven jasper]

The gift of silence is sacred.

[karmic sleet]

On the right side of the security cam

[gray sluice]

U do know you are 100% funded by seki or UESC

[woven jasper]

Nothing wrong with that.

[plush venture]

Your working with the Feds

[woven jasper]

Btw, where did it being Seki or UESC come from?

[gray sluice]

*you're

[plush venture]

Typical Corpo comeback

I'm gonna smash your windows

[woven jasper]

Enjoy the gift of silence.

[karmic sleet]

one of those, eh

[gray sluice]

"the source of Arachne's deep pockets isn't known" and how charter "assassinated a high profile traxus exec"

And charter is really hypocritical being in a runner shell and all

List goes on

[woven jasper]

That’s… not really a lot to go on besides UESC at most.

[surreal spade]

but yeah i mean destiny lore treats marathon stuff as "this is from an alternate timeline/universe that happened to slip through the cracks somehow", so like there's precedent for destiny stuff showing up in marathon but i'd be surprised if it was anything major

[hollow ridge]

If it does it might just be a cosmetic. Not actual gameplay wise/lore

[gray sluice]

Sekaguchi is the only faction that would profit through runners killing other runners

Means more shell sales

[latent python]

I'm sure there will be Destiny guns/skins at some point

[gray sluice]

Higher stock price etc

[surreal spade]

only thing giving me pause is that arachne seems pretty winnower-coded and charter's design kinda seems like it's invoking the witness

[hollow ridge]

Arachne is a Sekiguchi ploy to sell more Shells absolutely sounds like conspiracy talk, but also plausible in universe ngl

[surreal spade]

i remember seeing someone say there's an entry tying the jjaro to the gardener but idk which entry they're referring to

[woven jasper]

Fair.

[karmic sleet]

like 10% plausible

[hollow ridge]

Ye

[gray sluice]

More like 10% chance of being true

I'd say 40% for uesc

[karmic sleet]

we said the same thing

[woven jasper]

My only issue with Runners going deep into debt is… where’s the ROI? Dying 50 times will never make back enough money to be profitable.

[gray sluice]

Oh I thought u mean only makes 10% of sense mv

[gray sluice]

Mb

[hollow ridge]

Also im joking here but the head of arachne isnt named luigi are they?

[karmic sleet]

hmhmmm, i could see it being uesc actually

or a former uesc

[gray sluice]

Former uesc would be in MIDA tbh

[sage lark]

More to the hindu gods than anything destiny

[woven jasper]

Cool. Runner is in debt for eternity and you make them a new body. That body can’t be that expensive or it’s not gonna get recouped and you gotta pull the plug at some point.

Companies don’t go into debt just for control. The control has to be worth it.

[sage lark]

Specifically Shiva

[surreal spade]

i don''t think it's as simple as "seki want more money" to be honest, considering gaius straight up says "the econonomic loss of the colony was marginal" i doubt the tau ceti runners are a major source of income. nona's dialogue is actually pretty similar to charter's dialogue, in the sense that they're both obsessed with helping you Evolve

[gray sluice]

Runner shells are cheap to manufacture is my theory

[latent python]

I was making this joke to a friend earlier - the reason the sponsored kits rotate is so that I personally don't bankrupt any of the factions

[woven jasper]

Big agree.

[shell dune]

Any idea if there are still Cyborgs on the marathon ship? Not sure if they got destroyed or what in the older games. But it’d be cool if we see them in storage or something

[gray sluice]

Part of the holy trinity

[woven jasper]

It makes sense for NuCaloric and the small population that were sent.

[sage lark]

Only 1 the SO was on the marathon rest were on the colony atleast in M1

[gray sluice]

All roads lead to the holy Trinity 😭

[visual lynx]

new thought -- something that could explain the comments about FTL of living things being more difficult than inorganic things even in light of the appearance that FTL is just the same tech as teleportation could be:

you don't need a ship for something that can survive in the vacuum of space, so it can just jump jump jump by itself faster than an organic thing with a big support environment around it would take.

[deep solar]

Much like corpos irl stealing our data, the corpos probably highly value the data on TC IV from our shells

[latent python]

Oh! I'm actually pretty sure this will be the in universe reason for the season resets

[woven jasper]

Stop saying holy trinity as if people automatically understand your theory term.

[gray sluice]

All the real ones know

[woven jasper]

Saying that doesn’t answer the question.

[woven jasper]

Oh? Whatcha thinking?

[gray sluice]

All roads lead to the holy trinity

[shell dune]

What’s an SO?

[rain harbor]

well, it is immortality, I think the terms they used in the game is that they aren't even in debt but "will serve the company until the company is satisfied"

[sage lark]

Security Officer aka Mjolnir Recon 54 aka the Hero aka Destiny

[karmic sleet]

But it'd be way cooler if the anomaly just reset time, but our runners kept their memories - we've seen time travel before

[latent python]

The season resets will be the factions "taking their cut" to pay off your debts

[karmic sleet]

or rather, turned back time

[gray sluice]

Wasn't technically time travel more like travelling to new timelines

But I don't wanna get too deep into that

[deep solar]

Beats having to regularly pay the corps 100,000 credits

[karmic sleet]

TRAVELLING to new TIMElines, you say?

[latent python]

Too late it's Destiny 2 now

[gray sluice]

In return for a 3 month wipe tho😭

[woven jasper]

Interesting idea!

[karmic sleet]

sounds like Time Travel to me 🤷‍♂️

[gray sluice]

Cyac confirmed this

[woven jasper]

They did?

[shell dune]

Ohh I see. Then I wonder if the others are still intact somewhere on tai ceti. Would be cool if we turn em on at some point. If they can even be “turned on”

[full shale]

The lack of gear with Guchi. Is there lore behind that?

[gray sluice]

Japanslop faction

[surreal torrent]

the factions are interconectes too much to say that for sure. cyac provides all aspects of consciousness storage and transfer. repeated deaths & re-prints is big business. traxis profits hugely off of assets and territory, which means they’re likely responsible for managing and profiting off of resources that go into making and maintaining shells. similar deal with nucaloric, they make the things that provide nutrients, healing, stimulants, etc etc… armed conflict is big business

[visual lynx]

I think he is merged with Thoth, because this is the final timeline of Infinity and he sounds much older and wiser and like he has seen all of eternity already

[sage lark]

Wdym by lack of gear

[full shale]

Still, just weird seeing 6 items

[full shale]

Only seeing 6 items in their store

[sterile bough]

any idea if there would be any BOB still in cryo on the marathon after the games? I remember Durandal releasing a bunch and giving them the option to help him or stay in cryosleep, I wonder if there will be anything regarding them

[sage lark]

Buy upgrades, they only sell shell cores and shell related things

[gray sluice]

Did you listen to the terminal logs tho he's like so fed up and does get ragebaited by the runners trying to get on the marathon

[ionic iron]

Every time you deploy as a Runner, you're taking a SekGen item out with you. The most expensive item, arguably.

[sage lark]

I do t see why expendable BoBs would be in Cryo

[gray sluice]

"look to the stars" is the outlier to me tho

[latent python]

The...real answer is probably that Arachne and SekGen are meant to be later game factions and will be more fleshed out later

[sage lark]

Afaik Cryo was reserved for higher ranking crew

[deep solar]

Arachne is niche from the jump being the dedicated PVP faction

[gray sluice]

Don't feed the Strauss in cryo theory PLEASEEEE

😭

I will slime him out myself

[latent python]

You just want Strauss dead?

[surreal spade]

arachne feels like they were a last-minute addition, since they only have one priority quest and don't even have sponsored kit runner skins

[sage lark]

Strauss will defrost and say “Im Marathon…. John Marathon”

[surreal spade]

i predict they'll get more of a focus in later seasons as we start uncovering more of the Really Weird stuff going on in tau ceti

[woven jasper]

Idk. I feel like they’re the breakout and hugely popular because you gain rep for kills if you’re on the same team. Combine that with machine guns and railguns…

[gray sluice]

You're a runner? Are we in some kind of marathon? Say that again

[sage lark]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-cat-insane-cat-help-my-cat-is-insane-help-my-cat-cat-gif-21688581

[ionic iron]

Arachne don't feel "last minute," they feel "we have plans for this, but are focusing elsewhere first."

[deep solar]

I guess I mean niche from a story perspective. Like obvs it’s gonna be popular since it’s a pvp game but it remains to be seen how they tie into the bigger picture I suppose

[gray sluice]

If the uesc theory is right Orion could be charter and in his uesc shell

The traxus assassination could have been black ops

[latent python]

In...Charter

[gray sluice]

Charter is a runner shell

[sage lark]

I want a 6 armed shell

[gray sluice]

I want durandal vs Cerberus in the future tho

[ionic iron]

Would be pretty cool. There's so much insane development that could go in any number of directions. I, for one, would like to see them develop deep faction lore in phases (giving the time and energy required to really do it well) rather than a blanket and more shallow approach across every faction.

[scenic summit]

What is this, some kinda Marathon?
cue title screen

[latent python]

I'd rather have Orion in Charter in a different way

[gray sluice]

I don't think _philomena would be too happy about that

[surreal spade]

i always interpreted the faction rep depictions as their comms avatars, not necessarily what they look like irl. nona is probably not a literal talking worm

[gray sluice]

Nona is an ai

Orion and charter are runners

Possibly one and the same

[ionic iron]

I thought Orion being a runner was a theory, not confirmed.

[gray sluice]

Julia Hardin confirmed it in here

[ionic iron]

Ah

[surreal spade]

i mean orion/charter look like runner shells sure but if an ai can make itself look like a worm it can probably make itself look like a runner too

[ionic iron]

I must have missed that.

[latent python]

Pretty sure Gaius and Vulcan are also AI, not sure about _gantry

[woven jasper]

Orion is a real boy.

[gray sluice]

Certainly A theory to have ig

[surreal spade]

gaius is definitely an ai

[ionic iron]

We know Vulcan and Gaius are both AI.

[surreal spade]

i forget if they confirm it with vulcan but i wanna say they do? dont quote me on that tho

[gray sluice]

Yeah _gantry is the only true blue human we know

[surreal spade]

maybe thats what he wants us to think...

[gray sluice]

I sincerely doubt he's an ai

Like significantly doubt

Almost chastise

[ionic iron]

They could be more than one person, but yeah, I agree it is very unlikely Gantry is AI.

[latent python]

He does have mad mindspace drip though

[deep solar]

Orion is definitely not a normal human, the audio log between the admiral and Orion shows how the admiral speaks with a normal voice while Orion has an altered voice

[surreal spade]

oih yeah i think _gantry's probably human but, no way to tell for sure

[gray sluice]

He contacts you through "the net" though

[scenic summit]

I guess the more accurate meme line would be

So that's it? What? This some kinda... Marathon?

Ok i'm done now lol

[gray sluice]

I like to think as _gantry as a community outreach officer

But instead of the military it's domestic terrorism

[scenic summit]

Makes sense to me

[latent python]

Yeah, all the contacts seem to be able to choose their appearance to you in your... liminal...mind palace

Or wherever you are between runs

[surreal spade]

yeah i just look at their appearances as like, discord avis lmao

[gray sluice]

Yeah but Orion and charters background looks way more grounded

[scenic summit]

The word "liminal" makes sense with the travelling theme of "marathon" and "runner" but I would want it to be a real place where you walk around and plan

[gray sluice]

Idk tho

[coral vale]

Orion's pulsating pauldrons are so funny

[surreal spade]

i love how even when he's trying to be your friend he's STILL constantly attempting to hack you

[woven jasper]

Orion is in a Runner shell.

[surreal spade]

the man just loves crime!!!

[gray sluice]

I like to think of it as him doing base level attacks to get the interest of oni on him

[coral vale]

I mean he literally end his sales pitch by saying MIDA isn't your friend

[gray sluice]

He knows they won't get through

[gray sluice]

He does start to love you as you do more missions tho he acc hyped me up so much

[coral vale]

And he doesn't really seem to believe much in you actually joining the cause, more that if he pay you you'll do the job

[scenic summit]

The phrase "pro-corpse idealist" was used at least once. Ew.

[gray sluice]

To start with yes

[gray sluice]

I thought that was pretty funny

[coral vale]

I like how MIDA intro sequence is compared to Arachne, Arachne is all mystical and esoteric, MIDA is raw violence

[scenic summit]

Arachne is about that showmanship it seems. I guess its their death cult MO, if you've found them may as well look impressive

[blazing notch]

There are just a lot of easter eggs I'm noticing, some of which deal with very major forces in the world

Thats just bungie I guess

[scenic summit]

They're much cleaner than I anticipated for sure

Its blood and gore symbology and iconography, but no literal elements

MIDA, when you look at them its more confusing but when you look at the message they want to convey it starts to come together in the way they want it to look

[latent python]

Also a lot of web/puppet imagery

[gray sluice]

Oh well see you guys 2moro gonna rewatch natural born killers

[surreal spade]

yea destiny doesnt have any direct marathon crossovers beyond the mida multitool but theres a LOT of subtle references that imply something deeper is going on (i.e. oryx calls upon the winnower by saying "I can see you in the sky. You are the waves, which are battles, and the battles are the waves.")

[coral vale]

I cannot forget the sequence in the MIDA intro of the squares swarming the uesc squares on a map

[scenic summit]

Some kind of surveillance footage with computerized analysis I guess

[surreal spade]

mida's aesthetic is very punk/cryptoanarchist, sorta reminds me of a grittier watch dogs 2

one detail i really like is that a lot of gantry's face patterns are based off anti-facial-recognition makeup

[latent python]

MIDA is all violent collective action

[blazing notch]

Mandalore gaming pointed out some weird references that the spark in Halo was making as wlel, I didnt understand it well enough to share it here but it was intriguing

[ionic iron]

Arachne is a literal death cult, and therefor we could/should see them operate on the same principles that we see in modern cults (from like a design and lore writing perspective). Cults thrive on ritualism, obscurity, symbolism, and a "prophet" type persona that "leads" through a tangled web. The more one gets get wrapped up in that web, the more one starts to see that it's all a bunch of strings trying desperately to hold an empty framework. Arachne absolutely gives those vibes, IMO.

[coral vale]

It's a brutal combat depicted in the most minimalist way possible
There's violence and death and ironically by abstracting it you can convey all of it in just a few images

[latent python]

That reference in particular is that Guilty Spark seems to be finishing a conversation that started in Marathon

[scenic summit]

I agree, yes, and its very interesting that Bungie has done their homework. I was shying away from the actual analysis (at least on this channel) but its good to see that people are trying not to cut corners in good writing.

[digital plaza]

Fun thing is, Alberto Mielgo did cinematics for both franchises and his style was 100% the inspiration behind gantry

[blazing notch]

Even if they aren't all connected I think its really cool how they just mix and match themes across all their games. Paracausality, cosmic godlike beings, nature of death, heat death of the universe, specific name and locations mentioned, etc

[surreal spade]

for sure, even if the connections dont go anywhere theyre still fun to think about

[deep solar]

No bill clinton hanging out with the Forerunners in Halo though (that we know of)

[blazing notch]

Weren't Ikora and Lodi from the Clinton era????

[surreal spade]

jfk era

[latent python]

I've been telling my friends that Marathon lore is clearly a bunch of guys that have baked their brains in the more psychedelic scifi tropes for about 30 years. We were watching them do it!

[fallen badger]

no, this is referencing a site that was spread around in the breach protocol channel, exploretauceti is real and by bungie, the other wasnt.

[blazing notch]

Darn

Could you imagine tho

[deep solar]

The Jjaro interacting with the Clinton administration is just such a fun little piece of lore

[digital plaza]

Gaius ONI Vulcan and Nona - AIs, Orion gantry and Charter are people, but both Charter and Orion are runners

[scenic summit]

I was actually watching the Temple of Doom scene from Indiana Jones where a guy's heart gets taken out of their chest and when they throw the guy in the volcano the heart gets lit on fire. This is the inverse of how some south american rituals would operate and the juxtoposition seems mystical in terms of what defines "heart" spiritually.

Arachne, to bring it back in, might be defining heart, blood, gore, etc, in terms of puppets. They're also firing MIPS microcontroller computers at people as ammo. They're not dumb, but in my opinion they're crazy.

So, they deify runners in that way

[blazing notch]

Ngl sometimes the way they describe the Jjarro remind me of the vex, but I know that theres no real connection

[latent python]

Fortunately the jjaro are more benificent. Not necessarily 100% benificent, but, like, more than the vex

[scenic summit]

So, the way they treat physical remains will tell you about how they work

is what I'm getting at

[ionic iron]

It very much feels like they've been writing and rewriting and rewriting and rewriting the story/themes/ideas they originally tried to tackle in Marathon back in the 90's, and I love that for them. Especially because Marathon Infinity definitley wanted to have a meta conversation about about the question, "is gamging worth while and meaningful?" Like, is every attempt and in-game death not a "failed timeline" (like you encounter in the game) and what does it mean to fail and fail and fail at something and still enjoy it?

These are questions I think Infinity did a good job answering, and were in direct response to Doom's creator saying basically "Gaming is like porn - you don't really need a plot" (not a perfect quote, sorry). Like, you can play Marathon and not give a shit abou the story, but Marathon asks the question, is that even worthwhile? Is that enough? Does a story make gaming fulfilling?

It's good shit. I love it.

[latent python]

Also less milk

[ionic iron]

I think our new Marathon game is less interested in answering that specific question, but it certainly is still there. But we get a lot more lore crafting and mystery and commentary about consumerism, commercialism, capitalism's cannibalistic tendencies, and and AI, etc...

[rotund stump]

oh hey outpost terminal time

[deep solar]

A weapon like the Trih Xeem definitely paints the Jjaro as less than benevolent. I’d say it’s hard to tell how they compare to the forerunners benevolence wise

[latent python]

It is... interesting to get a game absolutely packed with AIs here in the year of our lord 2026

[ionic iron]

Indeed

[latent python]

Like I don't think bungo was aiming to make a bunch of statements about genAI but also, good timing?

[rotund stump]

corpo-cynicism

's fun

[surreal spade]

i mean there is one codex entry where they make fun of genai lol

[ionic iron]

Oh I absoultely think they were/are.

[rotund stump]

strauss's second log from the magazine right?

[woven jasper]

I don’t understand how it deifies them?

[latent python]

I should say they didn't put the AIs in Marathon solely as a commentary on genAI

The AIs were going to be in this game regardless

[surreal spade]

i've only got the first log unlocked but that one's anti-genai too lmao

[deep solar]

Lots of parallels between the W’rkncacnters and the Witness as well

[rotund stump]

we transcend death so to speak, end of life signal alerts weaveworms to reweave our shells while we wait in our liminal mind state in a cyac server somewhere

[scenic summit]

I think there was a lore entry saying so somewhere, but basically the way they've described how runners work is that they can die over and over and Arachne's deal is that death is part of a cycle of death and rebirth so Runners can cheat the system in that way.

[rotund stump]

We study death as we transcend it.

[scenic summit]

And they find that interesting with regard to modern technology, like runners and cryosleep

[woven jasper]

That makes more sense. I just didn’t get what hearts had to do with it.

[rotund stump]

smth smth smash rocks together until a spark shows up so we keep killing each other for some ultimate philosophical endpoint beyond the great nothing

[deep solar]

Now what is Arachne’s stance on drinkable cheeseburgers

[rapid salmon]

GUYS CRYOARCHIVE.SYTEMS JUST GOT UPDATED

[deep solar]

Probably less than favorable

[rotund stump]

well

we are what we eat

[ionic iron]

Oh, not solely, but definitely as a part of that commentary certainly. But yeah, I mean Bungie has been talking about AIs since the OG series. I mean, Durandal is probably one of the most important (though lesser known) characters ever written, and I'd also say there are few books/movies/shows/games that have created a more compelling cast of AI characters than Bungie's Tycho, Leela, Durnadal (Marathon) and Cortana (Halo).

[latent python]

They probably don't even have a friend with a friend mouth

[scenic summit]

Hearts are part of a body and when we're dealing with a cult's MO we want to look at their symbology. Very much associated with blood. In the Arachne intro there's curtains that are supposed to as far as I can tell look like ripping muscles. That kind of thing.
Looks like a high production recruiting SFX demo actually.

I'm using adjacent media to make my point too

[rotund stump]

historically a heart's always symbolized life

makes less sense if charter's holding a brain lol

even if more scientifically accurate

[surreal spade]

i think it's supposed to be playing off this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_in_hand

[woven jasper]

I… am still not seeing a connection on that’s related to deification. Sorry.

[surreal spade]

what with all the other religious symbolism theyve got goin on

[scenic summit]

Maybe instead they see a heart as less important than the brain and that's what their twist on the symbology is

[rotund stump]

coming from a design standpoint and this yeah

[surreal spade]

The Heart in Hand or Heart-in-Hand is a symbol of a heart in an open palm,[1] and is symbolic of charity, given from the heart.[2] It is an easily recognizable symbol in the Northeastern United States and used by the Shakers[1] as a pictorial reminder of the words of Mother Ann Lee, the founder of the Shaker sect, who promoted a simple life of hard work and spirituality, "Put your hands to work, and your hearts to God."

i guess the implication is that they see their murders as an act of charity

[latent python]

Oh yeah I had a friend recently ask if Marathon was like System Shock and I was like oh! Not really? Like Durandal is going crazy and sometimes runs the ship you're on but you have a much different kind of relationship with him than Shodan

[ionic iron]

Also don't forget Bungie's obsession with Greek myth, and hearts play a big role in lots of ancient Greek myths.

[rotund stump]

elite moodboarding

[deep solar]

System Shock you’re fighting for your life, in Marathon you are the danger

Or just getting lost in the maze levels

[rotund stump]

one thing I'll be afraid of is bungie's stance on AI in this game backfiring upon themselves by our extremely illiterate community 💀

[ionic iron]

As an example, Zeus uses Dionysus's heart to resurrect him. This is a very shallow retelling of that myth... don't @ me lol

[rotund stump]

like it's a really obvious bash via strauss as a character towards their stance on genAI and then also via strauss they say it'll eventually evolve into smth way bigger but that seemed more relevant to narrative than being a jab

[grizzled scroll]

I think they want to see minds pushed to the limit after multiple iterations of reprinting and see it as charity for that reason

[scenic summit]

Amnesia

[latent python]

Obviously this isn't a bash against System Shock, that's another media that has a truly great AI character

[rotund stump]

question is if this amnesia's anticipated or if charter's just gonna move the goalpost again

and then we're gonna treat it as some grand revelation of Humans are Bags of Meat

[grizzled scroll]

I dont think amnesia is the end goal

[scenic summit]

Looked at an image of Charter online and he does seem to hold a white synthetic looking heart

[rotund stump]

it's not

but I'm suspecting charter doesn't know anything either

[grizzled scroll]

it is a symptom of the process

[latent python]

Hey now some humans pilot bags of worm silk

[rotund stump]

with every side effect of repeated death he's just gonna move his goalpost of this grand philosophical endpoint he's been chasing via this cult

precisely cuz he doesn't know anything either

[grizzled scroll]

in terms of evil I would say he's probably still not as bad as midnight decay

[rotund stump]

pretty aligned honestly

[zinc jacinth]

True of real life too

[deep solar]

Charter gets grillpilled. Ends up just wanting to grill for gods sake

[grizzled scroll]

I wonder if we'll see a connnection between the two

[latent python]

Is midnight decay something I haven't unlocked yet

[rotund stump]

if bungie does anything more with skin lore than marking them as sects that is

[grizzled scroll]

twould be fun!

[latent python]

Oh those are the preorder skins

[scenic summit]

Midnight Decay is a set of skins that you get from getting the deluxe edition iirc

[rotund stump]

absolutely would be

[latent python]

Er deluxe edition skins

[zinc jacinth]

The white assassin skin in the store has cool lore blurb

[rotund stump]

I really wanna see midnight decay runners in action somewhere as an easter egg too lol

[grizzled scroll]

deluxe edition skins but yes, they are shell cannibals

[rotund stump]

or some shadow index shenanigans

[latent python]

Oh I didn't know there were lore entries on them

[zinc jacinth]

I hope their foreshadowing future factions with the skin blurbs

[grizzled scroll]

let me go read it and then put it here

synopsis

[rotund stump]

assassin's protosynth is what most prototype shells don as...well prototypes

the purest in uhhhhhh

[zinc jacinth]

Otherwise it seems a waste to name all these other entities in universe

[rotund stump]

what do you call it

it's like an unmarked GT3 racecar without any of the sponsors on the livery

[zinc jacinth]

Yeah basically

[rotund stump]

self representation ig

no cyac espionage department no traxus security detail, just you

[oak gazelle]

what just happend in game?

[zinc jacinth]

Terminals for outpost

[strong ether]

With the sole exception of Saturo Gojo of course

[grizzled scroll]

Midnight Decay knows there is no real "death" in this loop so they just push their bodies to the limit, they called themselves devourers, and they are crazy

[rotund stump]

s2 new shell satoru gojo

[grizzled scroll]

some just arent hiring you is a fair assessment though

[zinc jacinth]

Yeah I suppose. Many of them dont have a vested interest the same way our main factions do, theyre more like runner merc clans

[grizzled scroll]

I imagine we simply cannot have all offers on the table

[latent python]

Can't wait for Marathon: Mercenaries

[zinc jacinth]

Which implies some sort of organization that the runners have access too either when they arent in shell or when they are in shell and not planetside

[surreal spade]

tbf, seki seems to be kind of aligned with arachne. nona says "There is beauty in each death, resurrection, and first new gasp of life. It is expressive. Transformative." "The stresses of Tau Ceti are already changing you in ways I could never foresee. You have tremendous potential. Imagine what we could accomplish if you'll allow me to nurture it."

[scenic summit]

That moment when CyAc has a mandatory exclusive work contract with the exception of these other corps they have treaties with
(maybe idk)

[surreal spade]

so there does seem to be some legitimate reason why theyre interested in runners dying

[zinc jacinth]

Imagine being a disembodied consoousness amd still having discord access. Thats Hell right there

[west leaf]

is it just me or does this game have issues with people camping quest locations?

[surreal spade]

that's not really a lore question but, it is not just you lol

[latent python]

Better than only getting linkedin

[grizzled scroll]

surely they are doing something between runs, shell or not, they have to be up to something

[west leaf]

lmao forgot i was in the lore channel my bad

[surreal spade]

organizing their vaults, presumably

[zinc jacinth]

I expect so. I think groups like white rabbit imply it to be the case as well

[scenic summit]

That happens sometimes and its annoying but its happened to me. Thanks anyway lol

[grizzled scroll]

pro tip: ask a merc whats in their vault and they will get stunlocked from the trauma of being mentally only able to count their earnings while waiting for the next job

[grizzled scroll]

Oh really? Where can I read that

[zinc jacinth]

The white rabbit skin blurb talks about a heist on Luna and implies there could be an organization behind them

Thief skin in store

[latent python]

Hmm what would be the worst social media to be stuck with for eternity

[rotund stump]

kinda but not really (?), sekgen wants to test shell tech limits, cyac just wants your bill paid (they don't), traxus Does Not Care About You and you're a passive nucal propaganda and espionage tool, mida just wants chaos

arachne on the other hand puts itself above all of this to chase their own philosophical ends, either disregarding or taking all of the above for granted

[surreal spade]

i wish i could post pics in here so i dont have to type out entire lore entires 😭

[zinc jacinth]

Reddit

[grizzled scroll]

Interesting, I wonder if the digitized minds can travel between places to get printed out at

[muted siren]

Hey guys! Have you figured out about the cryoarchive site? All cameras are captured and completed right now. It was so fast. But CAMERA02 has status RUN DIAG. And we can upload something

[zinc jacinth]

Data FTL seems to be confirmed

[grizzled scroll]

Oh wow so mercs are the fastest force in the galaxy at this point

[latent python]

The biggest problem with data FTL and no other FTL is that someone has to have gotten there to get the signal

[scenic summit]

Every time someone says that consciousness can be digitized I'm holding back a multi page essay on how that horrifies me and would be impossible and how I think the corps are lying about that one

[surreal spade]

yeah but why does seki want to test shell tech limits? like "to make better shells" is the obvious answer but that'd be kinda boring, especially since it's hammered home that their friendly face is a front and they're probably doing some shady stuff

[sage lark]

https://imgur.com/a/PgNBg44 for those curious here are all the Xenobiopsy entries credit to @vocal geyser and @cunning sapphire

[zinc jacinth]

Probably yeah. There's some sort of matter ftl on small scale as well, since our shells are being teleported, but data ftl is how the comms system works so I expect consciousness transfer can work within that framework. Bungies vagueposting about lore is legendary at this point though so who knows

[rotund stump]

as in they don't care if you're a runner forsaking your own flesh for a corpo woven body that essentially defies natural biology in every single way, they just wanna study death and see sekgen either as a helping hand or takes biomata tech for granted to move their own goalposts around

[grizzled scroll]

you can send it to me if you like but we're all saying that because its easier to say that than the others

[zinc warren]

What's going on right now

[rotund stump]

outpost terminals

#breach-protocol

[zinc jacinth]

We're saying that because we have comms from tau ceti to earth that no longer take 90 years to send off and another 90 for a reply, which is what the first game implied they had.

[surreal spade]

agreed, it's just my personal theory that sekgen is interested in death for the same (unexplained) reasons arachne is. even if it's not death specifically, their whole "we just want to make you the best you can be because we love you :D" schtick is def not the whole story

[zinc jacinth]

Don't trust worm

I played enough destiny to know not to trust worm

[rotund stump]

one prevents death and the other embraces it, both study and believe there's a way out of this great nothing

one prolongs the phase before and the other explores the phase after

[surreal spade]

good point

i could see arachne being propped up financially by sekgen as a way to conduct research that would be bad PR for a non-cult

[rotund stump]

not entirely implausible

[coral vale]

I mean ONI straight up tell you the Sekiguchi way is telling what you want to hear not the truth, and while yeah it is Cyac telling you that it is believable with how Nona act

[latent python]

The Mielgo short implies this might be true!

[rotund stump]

nona only tells you what she thinks she wants you to hear yes

[surreal spade]

i really need to do more sekgen quests so i can figure out what their deal is but i am so stuck on the "kill ghosts and then loot the center of pinwheel" one 😭

[coral vale]

We all are

[small robin]

Trust Sekiguchi and CyAc bro, just trust them

[surreal spade]

wish we had an ishtar-collective site equivalent that just complies every lore entry/dialogue line

[latent python]

Someday

[coral vale]

The way they transfer it nearly instantly as well, it's a fuckton of data

[deft cipher]

idk how yall have time to run Terminals when there is so much contracts to grind for

[coral vale]

Altough admittedly Durandal managed to store itself on a chip so perhap they got crazy SSDs in the future

[surreal spade]

im not too worried about progression, just doin whatever seems fun in the moment

plus contracts arent going anywhere but args are time limited

[deft cipher]

makes sense. but i mean run terminals like a few times seems okay. the rest of the work will be done by smarter people

[surreal spade]

dont count yourself out, never know when you'll recognize some obscure detail no one else did that ends up being a massive lead

[wooden wyvern]

is there a way to get your DAC for the arg site?

[rotund stump]

#leaderboard DAC button, or /dac in #new-noise

[wooden wyvern]

OMG THANKSS

[grizzled scroll]

what are we supposed to do with that thing? it dmed mine when i joined but i never figured out the purpose

[topaz prism]

password entry 🤔

[wooden wyvern]

is the password still a mystery?

[topaz prism]

I think this just opened up a few minutes ago, so I'm assuming yes. Haven't seen the answer anywhere

[wispy lance]

How can we retrieve our DAC?

[wispy heath]

this pawthwaysintodarkness thing is a pain in the ass lmao

[wooden wyvern]

#leaderboard

[wooden wyvern]

is it real? or is it just a fan thing

[rotund stump]

welp if the server shenanigans keep coming imma just hop on tf2 until they put out a psa lol

2fort my love

[plucky sierra]

Fan, but still cool

[topaz prism]

where did we learn of the pathwayintodarkness?

like where did that info come from

[plucky sierra]

A fan

[wispy heath]

yeah i think its fanmade, its still cool though!

[muted siren]

i tried to a1z26 cypher on the page with DAC and i got "brundefinedxgundefinedx"

[wooden wyvern]

it just says "incorrect input" for me

[muted siren]

Yeah me too

i mean there are 14 numbers and if you try a1z26 you will get this "brundefinedxgundefinedx"

[sharp quarry]

what happened in 2143?

[muted siren]

2070 M Rampancy first appears on the Earth-net.
2194 M+LNP War between the Independent Asteroid Government of Icarus and its neighbor, the Republic of Thermopylae on the asteroid of Onicis 492. Dead soldiers recycled as Battleroids. Battleroids get onto both asteroids and kill almost everyone

It is the closest dates on site

[sharp quarry]

hmm

[normal tulip]

what's section C.05 on the UESC marathon

is this lore related

[sage lark]

vault 5

[normal tulip]

🤔

[sage lark]

youre talking about the key?

[normal tulip]

yeah

friend got it

i wonder why vandal has those cutouts at the sides of her thighs

[random raft]

hey so i'm a lil curious, the ARG clock is 751 years, 3 months 26 days and 15 hours making it 7/7/2777 right? but the marathon wasn't attacked by the phfor till 2794 right, is the time on the ARG cams different from the game?

[calm scarab]

has anyone tried any of the various IP addresses around the game as the password? Tried the one that is on the outside of rook and didnt get through

[dreamy hawk]

What PiD thing are we talking about?

Or @topaz prism

[latent python]

Heat mitigation

[crisp zealot]

Didn't realize the time led back to the sevens. Bungee does love them a 7

[latent python]

Bungo has never done a 7

[dreamy hawk]

Never.

7 is actually the most antithetical number to the studio.

[merry lily]

I love Marathon

[random raft]

bro what does that even mean

[dreamy hawk]

It’s a joke. I’m saying that Bungie, as a studio, hates the number seven.

https://bungie.fandom.com/wiki/Seven

[muted siren]

I have an idea. What if you try to decode camera numbers with a1z26 and place them in correct order? Result we can try to use as a pass

[random raft]

BUNGIE HAS A JARRED DOGS HEAD IN THEIR OFFICE?!?!?😭

THE LORE IS INSANE

[dreamy hawk]

I haven’t thought of Ling Ling at least in a decade. Soffish is my favorite though. Do not eat.

[vernal mantle]

lore wise does runner synth silk disintegrate after 25 mins? Really? Its that little?

[distant cedar]

Its the tau ceti atmosphere

or rather, the anomaly

that kills the data link

[dreamy hawk]

Bungie used to have a very avid Bungie community on their forums, prior to Destiny, and then it became less Bungie centric and more Destiny centric. A lot of niche lore from those days.

[distant cedar]

atleast thats what i got

[vernal mantle]

When theres3mins left the announcer says synth silk failure in 3 mins

[dreamy hawk]

That’s what I remember.

[random raft]

so we used to have a tight knit cool community and now we have 100 million crybabys

[distant cedar]

My bet is still on it being a property of the anomaly given it has that adverse effects on technology

[random raft]

although with marathon that seems to be returning which i love

[vernal mantle]

Marathon is defo a special game

Felt it when I kept spamming start run after death

[random raft]

MCTT had me feeling a way i havent felt in a long time

an actual sense of wonder for a video game

[dreamy hawk]

There were plenty of silly folks back then, too.

[dreamy hawk]

This would normally turn me off from a game. Here I am with my sponsor kit giggling “wow, that was epic how I got my ass handed to me,” loading in again.

[vernal mantle]

Exactly

I dont know what the sauce is

Anyone have an explanation

Like i an so irritated with deaths in d2 pvp

[calm snow]

i swear the marathon ship just changes how it looks, i cant post a screenshot but the version we see in the main menu is wayy different from whats in game and whats in game is slighlty different from whats in the s cinematic

[dreamy hawk]

They did redesign it from the OG games; they might have some different models? But I’d have thought they’d settle on one. Is it maybe orbiting/rotating?

[jade wagon]

Agreed. It looks much more intact in the past with these rings surrounding the central towers.

The moon looks less destroyed/hollowed out in the pre-attack too

[calm snow]

the main menu version is way longer and the actual ship part is way thinner

[fresh viper]

question about the lore: why is there almost no logs about the ship being attacked? did the UESC cover it up or do all the logs just take place before the attack

[vernal mantle]

Did they have FTL comms when uesc marathon departed

[dreamy hawk]

The attacks were pretty fast, over the course of a few hours, and the P’fhor disabled comms. Little column A, little column B?

[dreamy hawk]

No.

[calm snow]

the actual nature of the attack isnt revealed to us canonically yet, so im guessing we'll get more info on them later on

[dreamy hawk]

When sending the original warning it was a plot point that the message would arrive after any invasion force would, since the P’fhor did have FTL.

[calm snow]

even though everything about the attack is explored in the original games sooo

[jade wagon]

Bit of both. Contact was lost w the colony, and the UESC is obviously preventing 3rd party access to the colony and ship

[fresh viper]

am i right in thinking the attack was around 20-30 years after they arrived? i feel like i heard that somewhere

[calm snow]

what caused the original comms blackout during the marathons transit?

[vernal mantle]

My guess is durandal took over uesc

[calm snow]

because its said that the ship lost contact with sol during flight

[fresh viper]

i think that was the P'fhor, pretty sure theres a mission in og marathon about that

[distant cedar]

The period of colony establishment is almost 20 years - of similar length is the period after the Pfhor attack till the appearance of the anomaly and presumed vanishing of the remaining colonists

[fresh viper]

so its:

20 years of peace, marathon attack, 20 more years of mostly peace, then the anomaly?

[distant cedar]

Nope
And supposedly not even light-based comms given that Leelas "Lightspeed" transmission in the og lore took 93 years rather than 12

[vernal mantle]

I wonder where they went any good guesses atm?

[calm snow]

the s'pht are the aliens that got enslaved right?

[distant cedar]

More like a dreadful and isolated decline after having lost half of your colonists (aboard the marathon and from the bombardment that happened iirc), your ship and any functional comms it had and then being hit by a plague along the way

[vernal mantle]

Anything that couldve gone wrong, had gone wrong it seems

I guess it just wasnt meant to be

[fresh viper]

im currently reading up on the anomaly lore, most notably one from someone named Jasper from AFTER they went missing, she starts going insane and talks about a "red messenger" in her logs and includes the tag "nightmare" at the bottom

[distant cedar]

I know barely anything about it but still firmly believe this anomaly has all the answers
Hardly another way for the bodies of 30000 colonists (and the 20+k Bobs) to just

disappear

[calm snow]

i mean the colonists knew that they were pretty much risking everything

[distant cedar]

without as much as a trace

[distant cedar]

👀

[calm snow]

im sure most of the colonists werent even suprised things went wrong

[fresh viper]

yeah, most likely theres a literal god trapped inside the planet that can change space and time

[vernal mantle]

Were gonna kill it right

Right

??

[dreamy hawk]

The P’fhor did cart off a number of folks, too, though, iirc.

[distant cedar]

Lmao

[fresh viper]

most of them were normal civilians who were told lies that it would be great and amazing

[distant cedar]

God raid

lord

[calm snow]

im ngl i was kinda hoping that space magic wasnt going to be a part of the lore of another bungie game but i guess this stuff is woven into the original story anyways

[dreamy hawk]

This would be exceptional given the precedent of them being unkillable by a species far more advanced than humanity.

[latent python]

Marathon has...less space magic?

[calm snow]

oh wow okay

[distant cedar]

the og timeline literally starts with a god descending sooo

[dreamy hawk]

Even Halo had space magic.

[fresh viper]

i meaaannnnn the P'fhor stood no chance against it and they are a race that could have really challenged earth, even Durandal lost all hope against it

[latent python]

Not even the SO could punch it

[calm snow]

true..

[dreamy hawk]

Humanity did beat the P’fhor and invade their home world so we have kinda surpassed them.

[vernal mantle]

Weve had too many david goliath, mouse lion stories

[distant cedar]

Watch the Nucal burger launch trailer the marketing department went nuts that their ceo would even dare say its dangerous lol

[calm snow]

thats what i was tihnking of when i sent the original message

[dreamy hawk]

I don’t think anyone was under the impression settling the first exoplanet colony would be safe and easy, but what actually happened was a special level of f-you to the colonists.

[distant cedar]

Halo is still so funny to me given how half its ardent fan base (and lore creators for that matter) treat it like borderline hard scifi and then its just your average Space Opera with supremely gritty aura that makes it feel realistic even if you get literal space magic

[spare bison]

Bro the Mida faction lore sounds SO boring

[fresh viper]

that was only because of the Jjaro tech and S'pht'kr, which right now, humanity doesnt really have most likely - 100% we dont have S'pht'kr

[latent python]

The best part about MIDA is that they never told us what it stands for and hopefully never will

[distant cedar]

(I have had the supreme displeasure of reading about how the Pelican drop ship gun somehow can sling nukes worth of kinetic impact force)

[dreamy hawk]

True, but that we know of. How much is still cannon and how much changed, 🤷

[fresh viper]

i imagine most stuff is still canon tbh

[calm snow]

also, ive noticed that despite the technology that the colony was built on being nearly 300 something years old at this point, it all still looks like its from the games present year, based on the look of uesc stuff and our runners
its almost like nothing has really changed much since then? also the fact that weapons that we use now can be found in lockers of a supposedly 100 year old colony?

something feels fishy here honestly. i dont buy that the colony is really this old because it looks like whatever happened here just happened yesterday

[dreamy hawk]

I’d like to imagine they don’t know themselves. They didn’t even know what to do with power after a successful coup.

[distant cedar]

I still find it weird that the Pfhor were doing their Slaver-Empire crap for millenia and then the humans, a rampant Ai and the slave species he freed waltz in and just smash the bastards

[heady kindle]

This mf doesn't know about Charlemagne

[distant cedar]

Wonder how the human participation in that went and how that like

impacts nu.-marathon lore

[dreamy hawk]

Goes to show how powerful AI is.

[distant cedar]

if that specific fact aint getting retconned

[distant cedar]

Do the Pfhor not have any, actually?

[fresh viper]

ok, im just reading a lore card from Jasper who survived after everyone died, she was running from the "Red Messenger" who seemingly sent her insane, in the end she seemingly killed herself to not let it get her first

[distant cedar]

Nvmd yeah they wouldnt

from the glimpses ive seen

[dreamy hawk]

No. They’re like the Covenant. They used Tycho to make inferior copies.

[distant cedar]

they just love sheer unabated buerocracy too much
in it for the game

[latent python]

Imagine signing up for the Mpreg Is Dang Awesome faction and then finding out that's not what it stands for

[viral flint]

Has anybody found a DAC card to get past the cryoarchive systems index?

[dreamy hawk]

I’d be scared a compiler, wouldn’t you? Those jerks jump scared me all the time.

[spare bison]

... OK I dont htf is that?

[heady kindle]

Okay so MIDA if it's anything it was in the original series isn't actually a revolutionary group

[dreamy hawk]

I’m not even sure I understand Charlemagne in this context.

[spare bison]

Then what is it?

[distant cedar]

They literally led the martian revolution though?

[fresh viper]

i didnt even realize it might be a compiler lol

[distant cedar]

In the original series?

[dreamy hawk]

They were a political party turned terrorist organization. I’m not sure what alternative history they used to have.

[dreamy hawk]

That would be my guess, especially with some of the other logs that appear to be worshiping them.

[carmine zephyr]

rook says "limited conciousness" when you select him, this makes me think in world being rook feels like being in a dream

[heady kindle]

MIDA is both a revolution and a long lasting conspiracy dedicated to ends that where unclear in the original Marathon

[spare bison]

Ok i think i got it

[latent python]

As Strauss was affiliated with MIDA...somehow

But Strauss also sucks

[spare bison]

Yep

Nu caloric is the good shit lmao

[dreamy hawk]

Rook is a high jacked UESC frame, yeah? Wouldn’t have a personality matrix or any of the “comforts” the printed runners do.

[carmine zephyr]

yeah

[dreamy hawk]

I hope we help Durandal capture him and force him to open doors for eternity.

[distant cedar]

I mean capitalism inevitably has to artificially slow its growth (and with that innovation) at some point to sustain itself

Still a bad excuse though given say the weapons of the og trilogy being like
actually old n shit compared to what we got (M75 vs M77, etc) short of there being like transmitted print input, ie the weapons we find are newly printed based on blueprints transmitted in flight to the marathon

[carmine zephyr]

do we have any codex pages that directly refference the player character of the previous games?

[distant cedar]

So they are old designs just not old enough to be obsolete

[heady kindle]

MIDA claims some kind lineage with Charlemagne (of holy Roman empire fame) and maybe always planned for the Marathon to become a wandering tomb full of catty AI

[spare bison]

Eternity?

[dreamy hawk]

Not literally.

[spare bison]

Ohhh ok lmao

[dreamy hawk]

But Durandal hates Strauss.

[spare bison]

Yea I got that

As well oni HATES arachne

[dreamy hawk]

Not that I am aware of. But I also don’t think there should be any on the colony, unless the other cyborgs mention sending the tenth up the marathon. The colonists didn’t know about the SO.

[spare bison]

Are the codex pages in game?

[latent python]

Yeah if there are any codex pages on the SO they'd probably be on the Marathon itself

[carmine zephyr]

so we dont even know if the events we play in the previous games onboard the marathon actually happened?

[latent python]

Marathon 1 probably mostly happened

[dreamy hawk]

No, but everything I’ve seen points to the games being probably mostly canonical.

[spare bison]

(I dont have the game yet. Hopefully I will buy it thid friday)

[dreamy hawk]

Soon

[gray sluice]

Whats good chat

[latent python]

Marathon 2 uhhhh probably sort of happened though it doesn't really matter because Marathon 2 is mostly in another solar system

[gray sluice]

Does matter cause wrk means end of universe

[dreamy hawk]

Infinity is the one I’m most curious about.

[gray sluice]

As it was released

[latent python]

Right the ending didn't happen, probably

[spare bison]

Dude I really really REALLY like the lore I WILL buy it lmfao

[dreamy hawk]

Durandal and Thoth/Durandal are not the same entity.

[heady kindle]

I assume this game takes place in some Infinity timeline

[gray sluice]

I mean. They merged

[dreamy hawk]

And everything seems to point towards Durandal Durandal.

[gray sluice]

Theres only 1 durandal

Trust me

[dreamy hawk]

Right. And became a new entity which had marked patterns of both units.

[latent python]

And Marathon Infinity uhhhh happened ???????

[gray sluice]

Yeh pretty much

[gray sluice]

We don't know.

[dreamy hawk]

I don’t see signs of Thoth in what’s been said by Durandal so far.

[latent python]

Whatever "happened" means

[gray sluice]

Yeah well we'll have to see

Ben starr was a.. interesting choice

[dreamy hawk]

Yep. But if you asked me to place a bet.

At least for now.

[heady kindle]

Marathon Season 10 or whatever the Boomer shows up and unleashes Sph't chaos upon Tau Ceti

[normal spade]

could be a rick and morty situation where its all been programmed and its just a generative cycle being watched or documented on by a higher being (in this instance humans)

[gray sluice]

I don't think we will ever see the boomer again 😭

[latent python]

Lol Season of the Boomer

Can't wait

[dreamy hawk]

Boomer died. 🙁

[gray sluice]

Everytime everyone says boomer I keep thinking of the cylon

[dreamy hawk]

But what’s his Jjaro ship called again?

That should still be around, assuming old cannon holds.

[gray sluice]

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