mint current
so you can die by dots quite often
#9.2 Feedback and Discussion
obtuse rain
May I ask - why Unity on the bracers?
Wouldn't it be better to put on a helm for more stats?
sterile swift
Tier set, impossible to guess which pieces you’ll get ig
fossil fulcrum
@proper veldt about the spreadsheet: low hanging fruit, but isn't the fae #2 in dslice 4p + double legendary, not venthyr? 15829 is a bit higher than 15786.
molten ore
Wouldn't it be better to put on a helm for more stats?
Don’t think these sims are meant to be taken as any kind of bis profile
proper veldt
<@!167090536602140682> about the spreadsheet: low hanging fruit, but isn't the f...
Yeh I don’t know if I actually touched the # ranking good shout
fossil fulcrum
no problem, just helping where I can
dry viper
What legendary should I be running until I get the double lego? and is venthyr still best until we get double lego?
like for the first 2-3 weeks basically
wooden wharf
both is answered in the pins in #assassination
weary nacelle
Gotta imagine you'll want court ring again
rocky carbon
ye
nova solstice
For NF leggo, does it apply buffs if target dies before the duration?
nova solstice
Great
i was thinking NF Sin in m+ sepsis on Vy for cdr and shb+AR, then rush Vy auto with Vendetta getting cdr again and then sepsis on low hp for a huge cdr and shb+ar
proper veldt
whats vy
nova solstice
the small ball-like add of encrypted
nova solstice
relic
proper veldt
sniping sepsis on low health mobs
has never been worth
but the cdr mob for sure
send it on the mini
nova solstice
i mean, getting buff for aoe or something and try to sepsis on low health with the 200%cdr buff-> instant sepsis again
okay, forget about the init use of sepsis, how about just sepsis on low health with cdr buff and kill the low health we get 30sX(1+200%)cdr, right?
proper veldt
if you snipe, you get 30 seconds of cdr from sepsis, and then 200% cdr on the minute that's left
proper veldt
I mean not only is sepsis not the play, sniping for the 30 seconds is just terrible
nova solstice
i think in ptr direct cdr also enjoys the buff?
proper veldt
idk why anyone would do it
nova solstice
not just the time? i saw jpc using flag three times with buff
if it is only 10s of 200%cdr it cannot be done
scenic saddle
By killing the Vy Relic first, your reward will be Decrypted Urh Cypher. 25% increased cooldown rate for 45 seconds.
as per wowhead
proper veldt
not just the time? i saw jpc using flag three times with buff
that was way early in testing when it was bugged as fuck
that's legit a bug from like
almost december
nova solstice
well, thanks for clarification then.
wooden wharf
imagine 200% cdr going live
sounds rly nice
proper veldt
sounds like +2% blades uptime for sub
blades uptime goes from 2349% to 2351% and dance uptime goes from infinity to infinity+2%
very poggers
wooden wharf
maybe we can finally play dark then
tbh its already such extreme with dance uptime, when kyrian spends >60% of the time in dance
wooden wharf
ye, you won't play kyrian in keys, but your dance uptime will be higher due to aoe also on venthyr
weary nacelle
tbh its already such extreme with dance uptime, when kyrian spends >60% of the t...
The dance uptime as kyrian makes it feel really weird on refreshing snd and rupture
It just fucks with my brain a little
vast cairn
How do i find cos autoattack ring with higher ilvl? Wowhead goes only up to 125
muted ravine
scenic saddle
278 is from vault
flint tartan
We need to wait for Legion timewalking anyways to get this ring right ? (signet of melandrus)
flint tartan
so it would be a huge luck if you get it from vault with 272 ilvl
flint tartan
oh didn't know that so another dungeon spamming awaits for me Sadge
weary nacelle
just go 2+ and upgrade it.. alot faster to farm it that way
scenic saddle
just go 2+ and upgrade it.. alot faster to farm it that way
valor has a cap
we don't know when it's gonna be lifted
probably on .5 patch
weary nacelle
true. but if you know you will get that and trinket to be upgraded, and you get it that week / tier will be in those places and daggers eiter from vault or raid. not many things that need upgrading really
muted ravine
but its still several weeks of valor
so you dont really want to do that if possible
weary nacelle
true but ill for sure be saving mine for it
its 14 days into mythic. we / my guildt ) aint goin for w1 anyway. so we will prolly be at 4-5 mythic bosses down at that point. so thats where it all starts with the harder bosses
( normally )
muted ravine
your bis items, but earlier so that they can be more impactful
idk not worth arguing
weary nacelle
nono was for sure not arguing just might be ived missed something. constuctive here from my side.
muted ravine
yeah I just mean not worth the discussion in general
muted ravine
with limited resources stockpiling for 1 item for 4 weeks is most likely less efficient than using those same 4 weeks to have 2-3 items near the same ilvl
like a dagger, phial, and something else you may get / want to upgrade
weary nacelle
totally true. but thats just in the sort game. first 8 bosses aint the hard once last 3 likely will be, that was my point.
yeah phail yeah that will need small upgrade likely / if you dont farm it at 15+
muted ravine
I try to farm around 10-12 to balance difficulty and upgrade cost
weary nacelle
we normally go full guild / so we can trade
obtuse rain
With the new Sim, I just wanted to ask again - why Unity on Wrists? Wouldn't it be better on a Helm for higher stat amount? Or is the sim still not 100% optimized gear-wise?
Sorry if was discussed, I tried searching and wasn't able to find that info based on my searches
muted ravine
I think it was set that way to avoid conflicting with any tier slots as you don't want to delay that power spike at all by having one blocked up with a legendary
But once you have a 4pc in whichever slots you like you will be able to slide your unity leggo into the theoretical "best" slot
obtuse rain
Fair enough
That was kind of the thought process with the last sim too
A good placeholder and not a "maximum" sim
proper veldt
A good placeholder and not a "maximum" sim
helm is 0.3% better than wrists and fucks you for early prog with tier acquisition so I'm never going to recommend it to the masses for that reason
it's just not worth the tiny gain
on top of that, you open a vault you see a tier head piece ilvl upgrade, or a wrist ilvl upgrade, which are you taking
probably the helm
so the majority of people will have worse wrists anyways just by nature of not caring about the slot as much
which makes that 0.3% neutral, or even a loss, on top of them needing to sac a tier slot for it
just doesn't make much sense
muted ravine
Do consider though, picking a 278 item in a tier slot just to hold it for the creation catalyst
So that whether or not you get that mythic raid drop, you can get that max ilvl slot
obtuse rain
Perfect, that's actually exactly what I was looking for!
Thanks for adding the insight to that Whispyr 🙂
I figured there was a good reason for it, so now I know
weary nacelle
Anyone know why ( as its the first time ) blizzard dint anounce reset of honor, valor asf ?
molten ore
Anyone know why ( as its the first time ) blizzard dint anounce reset of honor, ...
Probably because it’s always been reset every season
molten ore
Idk. Don’t think it’s gonna matter honestly
I think you can keep honor, but no conquest nor valor
weary nacelle
yeah thinking the same thing
stoic olive
I'm sorry if this has been answered already, but are assassination's talents going to change for M+/aoe and single target?
stoic olive
EP/Deeper with 4 set on single target
Oooh okay, thank you!
proper veldt
Wowhead updates should be done by end of the weekend at the latest
Hopefully tomorrow
So there’s also that for a lot of the more general questions
Blizzard tuning trinkets and changing tier gear stats and stuff kind of threw a wrench into a lot of my stuff
🙃
Was also my bad for expecting to know balance on stuff 5 days before a patch
But ya know
Shit happens
wooden wharf
Was also my bad for expecting to know balance on stuff 5 days before a patch
just wait for raid tuning 😛
proper veldt
just wait for raid tuning 😛
I asked what I should suggest for trinkets and basically was told “throw darts at a board and change it later dunno Lmao”
wooden wharf
i know its basically "keep it updated for tuning changes"
proper veldt
Poor noobie players reading a wowhead guide
Updated every 2 days
For the next 3 weeks
What a disaster
proper veldt
“Well phial was bis all expansion”
Nerfed
“Oh well ticking sack was good at the start of 9.1!”
Nerfed
proper veldt
It didn’t get the nerf bat last timewalking
Maybe this time
Since now it’s like
REALLY good
stoic olive
I'm pretty new to this spec, and I'm pretty confused ;-; ngl lol, what I thought I knew for rotations and talents feels like it's all gonna change in 9.2
proper veldt
I'm pretty new to this spec, and I'm pretty confused ;-; ngl lol, what I thought...
Hey, I’m not new to this spec, and I write 2 guides and make all the pins and the numbers, and I’m pretty confused too!
We have something in common
wooden wharf
#subtlety is still a option 😉
faulty is good for sub, but usually not the absolute best
wooden wharf
time to grind tazavesh and plagefall for phial + solea
(assuming the nerfs did not kill them, need to double check if the hotfixes are already in simc)
stoic olive
Are any of the rotations going to change? M+ or single target
proper veldt
Not foundationally
There’s new shiv logic with night fae to sync, vendetta is a minute cooldown with duskwalkers and you get a ton more energy
But aside from that
Not really
stoic olive
oooh okay, awesome! thank you so much for your help c:
weary egret
I asked what I should suggest for trinkets and basically was told “throw darts a...
just a quick dumb q, with us not getting new dmg pots phantom Fire is still the go to right, at least it is in all the sims I have seen?
weary egret
time to grind tazavesh and plagefall for phial + solea
here we go again 
3rd time this expac ?:D
scenic saddle
phantom fire hasn't been the way to go
wooden wharf
tbh i am still unsure why you can't just valor upgrade trinkets every season
scenic saddle
sims were probably made with default consumables in raidbots
everyone's on the stones+agi train
weary egret
tbh i am still unsure why you can't just valor upgrade trinkets every season
yeah, only reason I am not super annoyed is because I need to do 10 m+ a week anyways
stoic olive
since shards aren't a thing next patch, should I focus on leveling up bis gear from mythic plus?
wooden wharf
mythic plus won't open with 9.2 release
grand sonnet
quick question - we can remake mythic + items into raid set with stats from mythic plus item or it will be same stats as raid item?
i.e. raid set shoulders got vers/mastery - i got shoulders from m+ with crit/hast - will stats change to vers/mastery or will stay crit/haste?
scenic saddle
raid item stats
grand sonnet
crap
trail urchin
Thanks whispyr for your awesome work. The spreadsheet is a great start vs other class discords and specs!
proper veldt
Wowhead is also updated for 9.2 I believe
Idk if they set all the drafts to public
But that’s a good source of more hard, written info if you don’t want to dig through discord
trail urchin
I appreciate it, i refuse to play subtley for all these years and your data is so easy to read
muted ravine
not every page is updated yet but a lot of the more relevant ones are
gear/talents/legendaries/best cov
late badger
I appreciate it, i refuse to play subtley for all these years and your data is s...
Agree, i think i can only play sin in mythic cuz this discord, cuz my RL said me to play outlaw and sub alot of the times cuz it was "better" , but cuz all u guys i could perform way better as sin
Ty so much all u guys and our master whispyr <3
sacred badge
the random raid leaders wondering why you wouldn't be maining outlaw since its "superior" are very funny
i've run into a few
pliant harness
So what is the opener now with subterfuge?
vestal dagger
Gar>snd>ambush>sepsis>rupt>vend>shiv, I forgor if u do a mut in between sepsis and rupt or before sepsis or don't do at all 
There's a lost mut in my thing I guess
This is only with doble lego and 4pc tho
sacred badge
pliant harness
Hmmm so back to using ambush over mutilate now?
proper veldt
Yes
empty magnet
@proper veldt all that applies even without double leggo right? say you got like hella lucky with tier
proper veldt
yes
empty magnet
ty 🙂
indigo surge
The Venthyr ST rotation stays the same except for Ambush instead of Mutilate in the opener and after Vanish/Garrote?
pale roost
Sure
trail urchin
Not sure if discussed. Couldnt find it in the new wow 9.2 guide. Whats oir best soulbind once we start using nf with 4 piece - thanks all!
Our*
pale roost
Not sure if discussed. Couldnt find it in the new wow 9.2 guide. Whats oir best ...
Dreamweaver with Field of Blossoms
trail urchin
Thank you kindly!
neon kite
with 4p and duskwalkers, will we delay vendetta for sepsis?
scenic saddle
there's a pinned message for that
neon kite
thx
daring ledge
theoretically, if I wanted to sim https://www.wowhead.com/item=188268/architects-ingenuity-core with 100% uptime on the cdrr effect, does anyone know a simc string I could use to do that easily? I know how to add normal stats, but not something like cdrr
idk if this is the best place to ask this, but it's 9.2 related and seems like it would be particularly good for sin if you and your raid stacked them even though it's an int trinket. plus posting questions in the tc research channel scares me
oak aurora
how do you get an automa to die ? i'm confused
daring ledge
the use effect spawns one and it dies after 8s
daring ledge
yes
proper veldt
theoretically, if I wanted to sim https://www.wowhead.com/item=188268/architects...
I'm fairly sure that trinket doesn't work in sims atm
there's no good way to do it
also it would fuck over any syncing logic we have for venth/fae
because that's a thing
daring ledge
I messed around with it on the ptr. you get the buff from any automa dying (so, ones spawned by others using the trinket). the range to cast it is 30yd and the radius to gain the effect is ~15-20yd. little hard to tell
is there not a way to just add a flat 15% cdrr?
frank nexus
I mean
it's an int trinket
would have to be bonkers OP to use on rogue, no?
and then it'd get nerfed due to being OP on int specs
proper veldt
is there not a way to just add a flat 15% cdrr?
no
daring ledge
rip
is there a spot to check the implementation status of new stuff like trinkets in simc? I remember seeing one for a previous patch but didn't bookmark it or anything and idk if it's always in the same place
proper veldt
and like I mentioned, if there were
there would be no APL support
which would undervalue it quite a bit
proper veldt
is there a spot to check the implementation status of new stuff like trinkets in...
those implementation spreadsheets are around but rarely updated tbh
it's just as useful as not having it at all
oak aurora
would have to be bonkers OP to use on rogue, no?
yeah the idea if i understand correctly is to have people chain them and have constant CDR
frank nexus
yeah I get that
oak aurora
it's just
frank nexus
but in that scenario surely it would have to be fucking busted for actual int specs for it to be solid on rogue
oak aurora
15% is 11.5 seconds in 10seconds
frank nexus
and also that
oak aurora
you're gaining 1 and a half second idk
frank nexus
you get 1.5 sec CDR per 10 sec
daring ledge
I just wanted to get a rough idea of how strong it could be if you did chain it for 100% uptime. perma 15% cdrr sounds insanely strong to me, especially since they just nerfed like every good trinket in the game and the other raid ones seem kinda underwhelming
frank nexus
like you give up what, 5% main stat with a trinket with a useless stat?
oak aurora
I just wanted to get a rough idea of how strong it could be if you did chain it ...
you're gaining 45 seconds over 5 minutes
like you can just count it on a duration and see if you get more uses
5 minutes is just a random sim example
but like anduin should be around 9 or something
which would be 81 seconds assuming full uptime
so one use of vendetta ?
maybe 2? i'm not aware of the exact timing with new leggo
daring ledge
right, but you're increasing shiv uptime, which is even stronger with the new 2pc and you're gaining additional vendetta cdr over duskwalkers. extra vendetta uses give a bunch of energy, which further increases the cdr from duskwalkers
like I said, feelycraft seems super strong to me, but I just wanted to see if I could get a rough sim to reality check it
oak aurora
i'm not judging if it'sgood, just brainstorming with you :)
that's what ? 2 or 3 shivs ?
over 9 minutes*
dry night
And losing 100 something agi
oak aurora
surely there are trinkets that do more dam than the on use too
dry night
I'm all for janky stuff but it'd have to provide some bonkers cdr to be worth, which it doesn't
eternal sentinel
why nf is better now with tier bonus?