wow-general

[long coral]

It should be like that yes, but it ain't sadly

and not gonna hold my breath for them to change it either

[analog acorn]

How you mean it aint sadly?

I deleted my rogue in the past. leveled my main rogue that i play right now, did the artifact qeustline and got all the skins for it

[long coral]

For example on my paladin I play now (not the one that earnt the mage tower appearance) and I got to Kil'jaeden in ToS for the 2nd tint for it, then it won't unlock

[fringe umbra]

Also im fairly sure the magetower specifically aint gone, its still here

[long coral]

It HAS to be done on the character that did the mage tower challenge

[analog acorn]

Surely thats a bug

[long coral]

True, part of Legion TW now

[analog acorn]

Because the tints are account wide

[long coral]

It's not

Yes, it unlocks for all characters of that class acc wide

But can't be earnt

Unless on the specific character that unlocked MT appearance

[analog acorn]

I only had the first tint for outlaw mage tower, i didnt had that rogue anymore when i came back in DF. did the qeustline and earned myself all the other tints.

Which is what your saying you can't do right?

So then the question begs. why could i? but you can't?

[long coral]

I assumed so at least yes, heard that was the case at least.

What questline are you refering to then?

[analog acorn]

Let me link it to you hold on

[long coral]

Because I have the artifact weapon on the paladin I tried it with for the MT appearance for killing KJ

But it is not the same paladin I earnt the first appearance (aka did the MT on)

If what you're saying is true, then great. I missed something clearly then 😛

Was under the assumption from previous info that it wasn't possible

[analog acorn]

KIlling HC kill'jeaden, winning 10 rated battlegrounds, and completing 10 different legion dungeons. and i remember doing it, on a different character, but i had the artifact in my bags.

But just for research sake i just googled it now

and AI is telling me

that it needs to be the same character

like you are saying

[long coral]

https://www.wowhead.com/storyline/god-queen-challenge-310

Was that the Q you meant btw?

If it was for assa that is

[analog acorn]

Yeah thats just the mage tower, what i mean with qeustline is that you need the artifact on a different character. and then just do the objectives tied to that. and thats how i earned them in BFA. but i'm confused right now because what im reading is it is indeed telling me that it has to be on the same character.

so then you do need to restore your old character

if that was the case

[long coral]

You must've still had the old rogue then tbh

recovered it or something

[analog acorn]

Yeah 5 minutes ago i was pretty sure, right now i'm not to sure about it haha 😄

I hope atleast that blizzard can recover it for you sir

[long coral]

Doubt it

[analog acorn]

It's so stupid that it's character bound tho

[long coral]

Just gonna get a automated "Tough shit" AI response

I even checked the exact old characters names and all that had the quests completed. They're all named "A Gift From the Six" for the final part of the questlines

And if I do a "In-Game Link" from wowhead on all those quests (there's 7 different) I can see my old characters names and server that have completed them in the tooltip, from some addon I'd assume.

[analog acorn]

Yeah i've also read just now that the achievements if you are trying to look them up on a different character they won't show up

[lean kettle]

We killed Dimensius and presumeably dropped 3 Mounts, but only 2 players looted them and everybody claimed they didn't get it. We assume somebody ninjaed it and it got sent to him via mail. Is there any way to track who it was? I know I can check their account, if they learn it, but if they just take it out of the mail, can you somehow see that? Because the mail should be deleted after 30 days.

[grizzled fjord]

You gonna beat them up?

[tall jungle]

Idk about taking it out of mail

But also why does it matter do y'all give your friends the mounts first or some dumb shit?

[mellow pilot]

Probably a guild that has the mounts reserved in a list, there's always someone who gets it first and someone who gets it last

[inland gale]

Just wait and find out who doesn’t show up to raid next week

[plush dune]

[high roost]

Evening!

outta curiosity, which spec are you guys using for Heroic World Tier in Remix?

[oak tartan]

DH

[tough swallow]

tanks can survive it easy, dps need quite a bit of grind before it becomes reasonable to do it

[fast quiver]

Is BRD raid only lfr atm, or can you make a group and do normal/heroic?

[bright otter]

lfr only

[fast arch]

I reroll from windwalker because blizzard keeps ignoring the spec. Is rogue a good melee option? I assume with 3 dps specs, at least 1 will be ok in m+ and raid.

[analog acorn]

Honestly, it depends on what kinda content your doing.

if you want to get CE in guilds around 500-2000 WR there is almost a rogue in everyones guild so that would be fine.

Do you do title keys that a entire different story.

[fast arch]

I don't care about meta and only do mythic raiding and 3.2k. But I noticed that on frost dk or havoc alt, I get invited more and can pug higher keys...

And the alts are also behind on gear and raiting

[bright otter]

but those alts are meta specs

[mellow pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/my-goodness-what-an-idea-why-didnt-i-facepalm-the-simpsons-gif-17489109

[analog acorn]

You don't care about meta but you both mentioned specs that are quite dominant in the meta esp frost DK. rogue is completely fine for the content you are doing. if people are not inviting you that means they rather have meta specs in there group. which is understandable.

[grave root]

Rogue is just a worse fdk

[analog acorn]

Rogue can only become meta if there is some things happening in the season and i will list them for you

• if rogue does more damage then litteraly every other spec in the game
• If dungeons require shroud (mass aoe stealth)

[hazy halo]

Does mage still has mass stealth in midnight or do they lose that?

[fringe umbra]

Turns out the specs that do the most damage are meta

[analog acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/segundo-sol-novela-remy-vladimir-brichta-chocado-gif-12304506

[ember nest]

you forgot rogue needs to do the most damage

by far

because otherwise group buffs trounce it

XD

oh and be buffed by the other meta specs too

[fringe umbra]

I mean DKs and hunters arent really buffing anything atm

[rich meadow]

https://x.com/archimtiros/status/2001539675622621602?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Archimtiros (@Archimtiros)

The Chinese exclusive Titan Reforged server which combines Classic, TBC, and Wrath content has been receiving weekly updates, but this is my favorite!

- When Bladestorm is activated, valor and strength surge into your weapon, increasing its size to cover the entire attack area.

X · Dec 18, 2025, 6:27 AM

Why is this cooler than retail bladestorm lol

[ember nest]

because chinese actually make money from the game things

[woeful geyser]

how is that cooler

it looks so cheap, thats some p-server shit

which it borderline is anyway tbh

[inland gale]

Just what wow needed. More visual clutter in the melee pile

[rich meadow]

Cause giant weapons

[plush dune]

me not able to see the swirlies because some asshole is using armageddon and covers the entire screen

[woeful geyser]

ah yes, the 6 polygon vanilla weapons are 6x bigger

[rich meadow]

Just wait till they dual wield frostmournes

[woeful geyser]

its the chinese server, frostmourne will be a 5star reward behind a gacha pull but is guranteed after 400 pulls

[rich meadow]

That or they’ll just sell it for a grand a pop and everyone will pay

[ember nest]

you can buy a mecha tiger every 5 mecha tigers you get a frostmourse shard

for only 50 shards you can craft shadowmourne

[novel cipher]

[cloud badger]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/24245217-the-midnight-pre-expansion-content-update-goes-live-january-20/

[dull gazelle]

hear me out guys

hear me out.

............they should give double jump to rogue

only double jump, no glide

just like Drachtyrs have only the gliding part of the demon hunters

we only get the double jump

wouldn't that make sense fantasy wise?

agility, bitch

https://tenor.com/view/breakingbad-science-yeah-science-gif-5954775

[woeful geyser]

they should remove double jump + glide from DH

why? because im a hater

[ember nest]

a double jumper once ate my burrito

so yea delete them

[mellow pilot]

@tough swallow my gf gonna start housing, i believe the other day you said something about a list of dungeons or whatever it was that had decor // vendors across the world?

[tough swallow]

i did fly my gf around to all vendors

this sheet has a lot of them listed but is a bit annoying to use because you still need to find the npcs (some names have typos too) and positions manually (and it misses some vendors)

[mellow pilot]

good enough

thank you

[blazing sable]

is CE deadline on january the 20th?

[ember nest]

no until expansion ends

[main peak]

im not really fucking anything if i go from sub to sin on m dimmy am i

damage profiles look similar enough, with more damage as sin post burst i guess on p3

[worldly forge]

You are less burstier on Platforms

But at this point the Adds are dead in no time anyways so you can just switch

[main peak]

we play for timing anwyays, and weve been killing them too fast

[worldly forge]

I mean like Nullbinder und Voidwarden

[main peak]

ah

yea those die fast

[worldly forge]

Thats what sub was really good at

WHich is kinda irrelevant

now

[civic viper]

will guides/faqs be updated for prepatch or are we chilling until midnight launch?

[tough swallow]

guides will get updated for pre patch

(not immidiatly, but shortly before/with pre patch)

[civic viper]

ty god bless

[stuck shadow]

Anyone know why Ambush isnt replacing mutliate in Remix? Is it something in the settings?

[iron belfry]

it only replaces it during blindside procs

which one is for midnight testing? midnight PTR or midnight beta?

[tough swallow]

PTR (Mindight) = pre patch
Midnight Beta = Midnight

[iron belfry]

thanks

[grand jasper]

Both Assa, and outlaw i've played for a good while however what are thoughts on one or the other for midnight so far as picking one? (besides whats just fun) i dabble in almost all content and a good bit solo to

[tough swallow]

You should test them to see what you like

assassination changes the least

subtlety the most

outlaw is in between

weather its for the better or worse is up to discussion, which is why trying all 3 out is the best course of actions

[real drum]

is there a skin addon for damage meter already ?

this design is awfull

[unkempt cedar]

any1 that still has the fate of the guard quest in suramar (legion remix)? (top left of the map) i need it for balance of power and i completed it already before looting a 2nd quest so im soft locked now, wld need a party share to redo it

[analog acorn]

Don't to be a doomer or turn you away but you might have more chance asking this on the world of warcraft discord.

https://discord.gg/gMAJvg3S

[unkempt cedar]

ah tru

[trim token]

Which spec feels good in Midnight currently ?

[tough swallow]

#wow-general message

[rich meadow]

https://x.com/lostmemearchive/status/2002106663969632339?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Lost Internet (@LostMemeArchive)

the original leeroy jenkins viral video turns 20 years old this year

X · Dec 19, 2025, 8:00 PM

20 years later damn we old 😭

[ember nest]

damn time flies

but at least he had chicken

[tough swallow]

https://x.com/Warcraft/status/2002136869375467914?s=20

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft)

Based on numbers we pulled from the first week of Brawler’s Guild gameplay, these are the most lethal bosses to face ⚔️

X · Dec 19, 2025, 10:00 PM

[noble kestrel]

Hell yeah, Sunny

[woeful geyser]

kinda makes sense

Sunny is the very first fight and kills people with 0 gear

meatball is just funny because everyone thinks that you are supposed to avoid the balls and then die from the enrage

Hudson was just overtuned af, you got killed by White Hits in that fight if you where not a basically fully geared character that can rush it down quick

[solemn patrol]

hey, im completely new to rogue, and i wanted to take a look into it on beta, whoch spec would you guys suggest me`?

[woeful geyser]

i mean its beta, try stuff out?

[tough swallow]

try all 3, they are all simple now

[rancid grove]

am I doing something wrong on the beta settings wise, garrote wont show the ability cooldown even when tracked as a cooldown

[stuck birch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBd_lBf6TtY
im so proud that this nowhere near applys to ravenhold

at least for my expirence

[woeful geyser]

mooooom

the guy that barely plays the game anymore gives redditors opinions again

[woeful geyser]

like man

that video just vomits so much hypocritical stuff

[tough swallow]

you clicked and watched it, so it did its job

[woeful geyser]

[grizzled fjord]

Also, the whole video more boils down to "the problem with tank theorycrafting" and less "problem with class discords" in general

[tough swallow]

Tank and healer theorycrafting in general is more opinion driven

I tried, ever since i started doing TC, to discuss things objectively. This overall worked well, with some exceptions.

[iron belfry]

[woeful geyser]

more how he complains about "discords can have toxic TC guys that act as if they know better" and IMMEDIATELY starts calling people "heroic raiders that dont know anything anyway"

like, just pure hypocrite stuff

[iron belfry]

tbh every other class discord i joined i left. maybe im spoiled with the support here and expect similar stuff there also

[lone fulcrum]

he is generalizing, which is ofc wrong, there are such people in the discord, there are also amazing people, generalizing helps noone

[dapper phoenix]

Hi, I'm new to this Discord and am trying to get a feeling about rouges state in Midnight. Is there a specific channel I should look at/ ask my questions? thx in advance.

[hazy halo]

https://discordapp.com/channels/124169701881282560/1422984915607359650
https://discordapp.com/channels/124169701881282560/1422983549044265010
https://discordapp.com/channels/124169701881282560/1422984870132580422

[faint river]

there's a few examples from other discords i've seen over the years, It's deffo not the norm though

regardless of the whole +30 contextual anecdote advice vs theoretical reasoning nonsense (the two different types of advice are useful for different players in different scenarios anyway) it's not a bad thing to check our intellectual humility (which tbf i think this disc does well)

[high roost]

huh. all three of those channels were hidden for me. is there also a general midnight spoiler channel?

[hazy halo]

No there is not. But i also dont know what that would be to be fair 😄

[tough swallow]

no general midnight chat, just the 3 spec channels

[sour patrol]

Multiple times I've been getting insta-DCed on my Priest in LFR Manaforge, and when I immediately reconnect (my net is fine) I'm sitting in Dornogal, no longer in a group.

Everytime it's just after or before a boss dies.

[sacred spear]

m playing on a pve server, but i want to focus on arena, so im debating on human or gnome. which one do you recommend?

[plush dune]

#pvp will probably give you the best answer

but i say human just bc gnomes are fucking ugly

[oak tartan]

eu remix down

or just instance servers

[full axle]

seems half the game is dead

[zinc ether]

Somebody come play rogue in my guild so I can play enhance shaman. Why is recruiting a rogue so hard atm 😭

[pure fulcrum]

is there any way to upload a log from details to wow logs?

i tried ky,vesa hm today and beat it but i didnt set up wowlogs untill after the clear.. only been playing for like a month so still trying to figure all this out

[analog acorn]

Step 1: Download warcraft logs uploader
Step 2: Choose the subdirectory where your game is located mine:D:\Games\World of Warcraft_retail_\Logs
Step 3: enable combat logging in your setting and when you want to log do in-game /combatlog
Step 4: Upload the log or live log.
step 5: there is no step 5.

[analog acorn]

also here is a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO8dvi7TflE&t=293s

[grave root]

anyone else with nvdia has scuffed colors after driver update

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/516231370461413377/1452990302250995752/IMG_0903.png?ex=694bd22b&is=694a80ab&hm=8eb538cd1e22c1b77e74adecc3b15b399dcec9ce2b3fe5a6bdc18a426a960830&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=797&height=630

they apparently rolled out a hotfix driver but i cant find it 💀

[iron belfry]

Well thats why you dont just imediately install latest video drivers ever.

Just find a stable driver and keep using that, i had the same one for 8 months, 0 issues

[oak tartan]

I update some time after a patch went live or new game came out or if major problems happen with current driver

[light wave]

im going to farm the right binding only from molten core. does anyone know if i should kill garr only or kill everything else then garr? is loot drop chance based on just that mob or previous drops in the same instance?

[glad harness]

Just the mob

[light wave]

ok ty

i have the left binding only on two warriors. might not get the right again but will keep trying. maybe try on all 50? 60? slots im allowed on my only account

[grave root]

Yea i was chilling on a older vers but didnt notice they rolled up a new one and updated it

I found the hotfix driver

It has been fixed.

[pure fulcrum]

Thankyou!

[analog acorn]

You're welcome

[tough swallow]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/aotc-and-cutting-edge-achievements-will-be-unavailable-with-pre-patch-what-to-do-379780?utm_source=discord-webhook

[high roost]

is there a way to keybind the Stealth Bar seperately from the main action bar?

[fossil goblet]

i made a rogue to only do world quests. which is the simpliest aoe tree to pick in this case?

[snow jewel]

assassination, can find a default talent tree on wowhead

[clear vector]

Merry christmas fellow rogues

[obtuse adder]

Merry Christmas!

[haughty kelp]

merry christmas ty guys for all your work and good community ❤️

[mellow pilot]

Merry Christmas my friends

[noble kestrel]

Merry christmas and happy holidays, espescially to anybody playing sub rogue

[icy pecan]

So

someone gifted me Midnight

https://i.imgur.com/VBwaGfD.gif why does my house look like this inside

but like this https://i.imgur.com/gmVpKwI.jpeg

outside

IF THIS IS THE CASE

LOL i cant say the word T A R d I s , doctor who's spaceship...

if this is the case why cant i change it to look like the police box doctor who rides on

What the frig

[oak tartan]

It's early access

You can do some silly things with lvl 5 house

[icy pecan]

Ah

So ic ant do

[noble kestrel]

You can make the interior fit the exterior if you want. Just play around with it

[icy pecan]

Doctor who t-a-r-d-i-s exterior yet

naw

i want it to be

smaller on the outside

like doctor who

thats the point

[noble kestrel]

You could probably make the exterior look smaller on the outside. Just play around with it. Be creative

[icy pecan]

the door thing isd pissing me off

My door outside is more mechanical

But

inside is Wood?

REEE

[gentle cloak]

My brother in Christ you choose the door

[light wave]

HOUSING SUCKS PLZ REMOVE (im jealous)

also merry christmas sorry late

[tough swallow]

housing is not even out yet ^^

[oak tartan]

It's just the preview

[light wave]

i knowww it will get worse for me

[main orbit]

If I wanna play housing I cancel my sub and start playing Sims again

[mellow pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-baby-gif-8628440656014988976

[fossil monolith]

I love you all

[shell meadow]

Hey, I'm looking for a main in Midnight and I consider rogue (I almost never played this class except a bit of outlaw in Dragonflight). It seems that rogue is more beginner-friendly now ?

[mellow pilot]

Every class in the game will be

Out of the three, assassination might be the easiest

[icy pecan]

wait

you can only have 1 house per faction?

I thought each toon can have a house

[short pecan]

guys look what i found while beta testing

[mellow pilot]

at least it has 5 fingers

[lament bloom]

Hello, This is prolly the dumbest way to ask but I am semi new to rogue I understand the basics and want to actually attempt to Mythic raid on it. I've read some guides on icy veins but still feel like im under performing when comparing to other Ilvl parses. I'm obviously not fully geared but looking for some help to get a little better before I look to apply for guilds

[main orbit]

Wait 30 days cause rogue is completly different in pre patch

[lament bloom]

ill be back

[main orbit]

is like orc racial dps wise above mag orc in midnight? cause of stat squish?

[high roost]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-gif-2405038352056726836

when you jump into a fight without realizing that your poisons expired

[rare solar]

i got my best hc dimmy parse with having to reapply my 4 poisons

[tough swallow]

https://fixvx.com/N_Tys26/status/2005795414134669679?s=20

N_Tys (@N_Tys26)

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the classic community never changes, lovely

[rich meadow]

#Nochanges 😭

[humble parcel]

which rogue spec looks most playable/fun as of now for midnight?

[frozen kernel]

I think the best rogue is feral druid atm

[shy ocean]

EU bros when is weekly reset? what time?

[meager totem]

2h15

[shy ocean]

Thanks.

[small wing]

is there a way to get all mounts from the current timewalk event?

[plush dune]

afaik once you get the achievement and pick one you can buy the rest

probably from shadowlands timewalking though so only whenever that comes around

[small wing]

ah

[rustic tartan]

If i start today with legion remix, will i be able to complete/collect everything until it ends?

(i have many mounts from legion back then)

[obsidian spoke]

Anyone got a good talent build for the ?? nemesis boss for this season?

[woeful geyser]

absolutely

legion remix vomits the rewards at you

i had almost all bronze mounts when i was like lvl40 with 2 zones finished and nothing else

(more stuff got added to the bronze shop, but its still extremely fast unlocks)

[rustic tartan]

Thanks

Completionist says i need 5.3 mil bronze for everything left

[meager totem]

5mil is alot of farming

its just the remix only stuff is cheap

the tmog and actual legion mounts are fairly priced

[rustic tartan]

All Achievements would be nice + remix only stuff, everything else is nice to have

[candid badge]

when prepatch drops, that means the new addon api stuff changes yea?

like weakauras is kil

can start to setup the new ui

[oak tartan]

Yes, prepatch has all the new things

[novel cipher]

I would wait until prepatch personally

No sense in setting things up until the patch drops because I feel like you would have to redo everything because of class changes and edit mode improvements

[rotund patrol]

18 days

[ember nest]

you can do them in beta then port some things

but you need to know what you are doing

[shy ocean]

I want to run weekly 3x 11 bountiful delves and then 1x normal/boutinful 11 with the map, right ? Sorry I didnt play whole tww and I dont know what I need to do weekly

[ember nest]

you would need keys to open the chests in bountiful delves

[shy ocean]

I have these

[rich meadow]

Soon

[prime torrent]

so they making sub rogue warrior what we doing blizz

[woeful geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[ember nest]

hmm

[normal kiln]

is it not possible to turn in yesterday's quest?

it says the quest is done, but i can't turn it in

[oak tartan]

The hardest part of remix is getting a dungeon invite for the shit orderhall dungeon quests

[glad harness]

!upgrade

!up

[ionic forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[wicked night]

Happy new year everyone, been full on sick so abit late 😂

[tough swallow]

late happy new year to you too

[mellow pilot]

Hope you doing better

[wicked night]

got sick day before NYE and have been slowly getting better just intime to go work haha 😭 rip, i miss WoW though, havent played in months as season was done, want midnight or some classic+ to play mmaaaann

[wicked night]

thank you fuu! Hope youre doing well!

[tough swallow]

good so far ^^

[outer portal]

Hi guys! What is the most played spec in MO atm? Is it still sub?

[mellow pilot]

in mythic 0 ?

if that's the case, you just press W regardless of the spec

[outer portal]

In Manaforge Omega

[mellow pilot]

you can play all 3

[normal kiln]

looking for a casual guild that does PVP, if anyone's recruiting

[faint bough]

#recruitment

Or maybe #pvp

BUT NOT HERE

[normal kiln]

lol... don't you think that's a bit of a strong response, all caps? i looked at those first; recruitment appears to be for guilds not potential members, and pvp is no more relevant than general

i particularly enjoy the "it's so wrong that i have to reply in all caps" but "i myself can't actually tell you the right answer", that's a really nice combo

[glad harness]

Regardless, this is not the right place

[normal kiln]

Where then?

Actually I don’t need this shit, cheers

[meager totem]

[hidden compass]

Damn, someone got angy

[mellow pilot]

@faint bough you shouldn't yell at fresh meat

[upper veldt]

Damn caps lock is the new

[faint bough]

Ye mb I thought it was kinda funny at the time not really yelling but apparently it was not received well

I was just preparing them for the brutal reality that is pvp

[mellow pilot]

You ... Did a good job honestly. Imagine getting mad because someone used capslock

[dusty zephyr]

my friend doesnt see the midnight beta in his battle.net client on his pc, when he logs into bnet on other devices its there. anyone had this issue before and knows a fix?

[lone fulcrum]

isn't beta payed?

[tough swallow]

you need to have the right verison of midnight to access it

he can re-install battlenet if he has issues

[dusty zephyr]

he bought the beta version obviously
he said he tried reinstalling it before, but i cant vouch if it was a 100% clean reinstall

[slow sparrow]

are you guys playing assa or sub in weekly/crest keys? i was assa mostly but many tanks chainpull with literally 1 mob alive at 10% hp and for sub i cant really trust them to pull stuff on the boss

we time it fine but its just so annoying

[bright otter]

go outlaw and Zug zug

[vital geode]

W/e you like most

[woeful geyser]

its weekly keys, tf do you mean "trust the tank to pull stuff into the boss"

[oak tartan]

Pull it yourself, nobody recognises the shurikens anyway

100% tricks uptime works wonders

[white fulcrum]

Yo question from an ignorant non-rogue, does atrophic poison stack if applied from different rogues?

[meager totem]

no, but it used to because of a bug

or well atleast I think they fixed that bug

[candid badge]

we can put sword appearances on daggers in tww

can we put daggers on swords/mace/etc?

[wise wagon]

Yes

[candid badge]

yay

[shy ocean]

I can craft one 727 item. Is it better to craft offhand dagger, or wrists? I have both just 697

[mellow pilot]

Raidbots.com

Sim it

[noble kestrel]

Always simmin' it

[upper veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/josee-8379391-robo-dance-robot-dance-gif-12127978

[tough swallow]

was fixed, but worked for a long time. Tho you didn't rly see anyone care

[rich meadow]

https://x.com/mrgmyt/status/2008917078187610471?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

MrGM (@MrGMYT)

In Midnight (currently not in pre-patch) there are new achievements that require collecting 250 Lumber from a specific expansion. Finishing these unlocks the ability to gather Lumber while mounted in that expansion’s zones.

Right now it is unclear if this will be retroactive. It

X · Jan 7, 2026, 3:02 PM

Would be diabolical if this isn’t retroactive

[oak tartan]

The avs with troops recruited weren't

Only priest, wl, druid and dh left. Good thing is I found 200 blood of sargeras on my legion dk

With argus fully unlocked it's pretty fast

[ember nest]

the honor lvls were not retroactive

that was the biggest kick in the nuts i had

[bright otter]

could just be a druid

[novel cipher]

I'm pretty sure I got free honor levels way back in legion because of the fact that I did a lot of pvping in vanilla, TBC, and wrath

[thorny latch]

hey guys been working on a rogue lately - i am wondering if rogues are good in pve like mythic keys raids ? ?

[mellow pilot]

Whichever spec you can play

in any content

Rogues are good

Probably not a frost dk

but still good

[thorny latch]

@mellow pilotthanks i will keep that in mind

[plush dune]

https://tenor.com/view/jonmud-jon-mud-jon-mud-tiktok-weird-creature-weird-gif-12599924096182926896

[analog acorn]

How do you even find these things i wonder

[ember nest]

the internet is a wide place

[obtuse echo]

Does anyone know what the cost is to craft tier 3 pieces nowadays?
I'm missing two pieces for a complete set on my rogue and since I'm most likely rerolling back to her in Midnight, I'd like to complete the set before then.

[mellow pilot]

The same it was when it was introduced

Most of the value comes from a vendor material

Google T3 crafting wow and you should be pointed to the wowhead guide

[obtuse echo]

Yea, I found the guide yesterday and I'm about to start grinding the stuff I need. Thought the price to a crafter would have come down a bit.
Some guildie said most crafters just want to craft the full set but I hope you can craft specific pieces you want?

[rain rock]

kanjut bel

[mellow pilot]

Yeah you craft each piece individually, you'll need a friend or a crafter with the T3 set achievement to craft you stuff you'll need to create the item you want

[obtuse echo]

Alright, cheers. Don't have any friends who can make it though but I'll lurk around. Thank you!

[mellow pilot]

Languished leather (?) is what you'll need to combine with the desecrated item of choice (the slot) to create the class item (bonescythe for rogue)

Keep in mind you have to create the item on a rogue. As obvious as it seems, if you do it on a druid you'll get dreamwalker

[obtuse echo]

Aye, I'll remember. Thank you!

[scenic flame]

Get the mounts i unlock as Timerunner get transfered over to retail?

[mellow pilot]

Of course

[trail stream]

!up

[ionic forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[quiet elk]

I’m not wrong… wordle’s wrong.

[lone fulcrum]

worth it

[limber mauve]

Hi guys, I've been assigned a rogue for midnight in my guild. What spec do you think will be good in pve in midnight and what are tips you can already give me? I have never played a rogue in retail so far.

[woeful geyser]

🔮

[elder canyon]

Can someone explain parses vs rankings to me like im 5 yo?
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-6341

i found this and i think i understand parses but im confused about ranking

"Rankings are simply how your performance is ranked against other players of your specialization on an encounter. If you did 5k DPS on an encounter and 99 other players did more than 5k, your rank on that fight would be 100."

Doesnt make any sense to me. Woulndt i be the worst player then? Why would i get a 100?

[long ice]

you'd be in 100th place

out of 100

or however many total

[elder canyon]

Wouldnt that mean i played rather badly then?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nqMLD6RBCtzf14cW?view=rankings&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2&playermetriccompare=rankings
Wouldnt higher be better on this screen?

[plush dune]

parse is a percentile, not the ranking

[long ice]

Yes, that would be where your parses rank you within your guild

which is different than showing your numerical ranking

[plush dune]

so a 99 parse means you are better than 99% of parses, not that you are rank 99

[long ice]

^

[elder canyon]

so it makes more sense to look at parse instead of ranking on that screen?

[long ice]

typically

[elder canyon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nqMLD6RBCtzf14cW?view=rankings&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2&playermetriccompare=statistics

like this

[long ice]

parses show how your performance is relative to others of your spec

[elder canyon]

Ooookay, so for ranking im compared to my guild or the group i ran with?
Or the general ranking in the log organization?
I think i might be slow in the head

[long ice]

in that particular view

it shows the average of your parses in that left-most column, then rank orders you based on that

[mellow pilot]

Besides the good explanation @woeful geyser gave you, create a rogue and play it would be my best advice for now

[limber mauve]

thank you

[bitter lion]

Whats the fastest rogue spec for one shot content? Gotta farm me some tbc dungeons for last minute rep and gotta go fast.

[analog acorn]

highest burst is sub

[bitter lion]

Sprint + shroud?

[analog acorn]

if you looking at speed, outlaw would be faster

Since its TBC damage doesnt really matter

[bitter lion]

Thats what I meant.

Gotta go fast. Zip.

[analog acorn]

Yeah then outlaw

[bitter lion]

I was putting them slightly lower cause the aoe feels like cheeks

Unless Im just doing outlaw aoe wrong

Mostly cause I need speed + aoe. Gotta be a lawnmower for rep

[analog acorn]

Yeah i would say outlaw

[glossy flicker]

outlaw kinda bricked since bladeflurry doesnt cleave if the initial attack kills the mob

would say sub prob, faster than assa

[plush dune]

definitely sub

speed shroud resets on boss kills

so you fucking zoom

better for aoe too with strike teleporting between packs

[analog acorn]

I dont know grapple hook + sprint. is faster then shroud speed i feel like

[plush dune]

in a footrace sure

but hes trying to farm rep too

and outlaw is unusable for that

[trail stream]

I wanna play retail but there's nothing to do. We're 11 weeks away from m+ being open. Even once Midnight releases you'll have to wait a month before doing your first keys. If I wanna start a new character right now it's pretty bad cause the season's about to end so I'm not gonna get very far with gearing with pugs. Basically for the next 11 weeks all you can do is just fly around and do pointless world content achivs. You can't even enjoy trying out redesigned classes in the prepatch cause there isnt gonna be any m+. ,l,

[mellow pilot]

You can also touch grass for the next 11 weeks

A far better option than just being mad at system

[plush dune]

no

[trail stream]

Outside is just cold, gray and depressing. Been trying to play other games and I found some but I've finished them and now there's nothing to do again -,.-

[mellow pilot]

Play monster hunter

[trail stream]

the newest one?

[mellow pilot]

Anything between world and wilds

[mellow pilot]

I spent 1000 hours in world + dlc, 250 hours in rise + dlc and I'm currently at 500 hours only on base game wilds

[trail stream]

I see that World has double the players of Rise currently, even though it's 3 years older and also better rated. And I actually have it in my library already so it's no extra cost 😛

only played it for 8 hours some years ago

[mellow pilot]

It took me a while to get completely hooked, but when I did... I was working 8 hours and playing 10-12 and barely sleeping

When it clicked

[mellow pilot]

Rise is weird, iirc it was created for switch, then ported to PC. Base game is meh, dlc Is amazing

[trail stream]

ok thx, I'll give World an honest shot 🙂

[mellow pilot]

Friendly beginner tips: take your time, since you have basically 11 weeks on your hands; if you end up creating a new character, don't pick the "defender" / "guardian" armor/weapon (they were created to help veteran players get to the dlc faster); carting is normal, failing quests is normal; try a bunch of weapons

[trail stream]

kk

[rare solar]

All im doing is lemix and some beta dabbling every now and then

[bitter lion]

What spec is the best for doing delves? No raids or anything, just wanna get my 8s done with the most ease.

[upper veldt]

Yes

[woeful geyser]

its delves

[bitter lion]

Come on one of them has to be pure mind off easy mode.

[mellow pilot]

you can go sub and blow up packs every CD

or go outlaw and be a brawler

or go assa and spray and pray

[main orbit]

Idk who to Ping here or where to post such ideas but a new channel would be cool for:

• Midnight Rogue Ui Share -
  Where people can Share their uis

[tough swallow]

Midnight will make UI even less customizable, the idea is great but its unclear how much interesst there is.

[long ice]

There’s addons that are quite flexible for cooldown manager setups

But idk if it warrants a whole channel

[vital geode]

go into the ptr setup your ui

thats actual something you can do

[main orbit]

I mean here are over 35000 people with uis
I was thinking about people who want can share their ui with a Screenshot and addon namens and for example a Custom Import Code if anyone wants

Maybe people wanna glance at uis or get ideas or votes with ❤️ to give Feedbacks for a good ui

[abstract bone]

can you still do manaforge omega raid in prepatch?

[meager totem]

yeah ofc

[rare solar]

Assa or outlaw for me, for vault i just ran the quickest story 8 times in a row anyways

There's like 5 really good ones

Where you can just stealth past 90% of it

[bitter lion]

Im still undecided with 10 days left on what to main come midnight. Rogue or hunter. Ive been a hunter since tbc. Aside from one expansion when I went rogue. I think legion? Thats when rogues could run on water and had the OP vial?

[tough swallow]

midnight won't release in 10 days

you can test classes in pre patch

[cursive sinew]

Are you AI

[plush dune]

probably

[mellow pilot]

Most likely

[tough swallow]

this was a compliment years ago,
but i think the sentiment on that question changed drastically

[main orbit]

Love how they leave out - Rogue/Priest completly - its from the "Resource Economy, Ability Tuning, Buff & Support Tracking - Evoker Must-Haves for Midnight"

seems now we know the writer doesnt like these 2 classes xd

[woeful geyser]

you realise that its a ongoing series

right?

[main orbit]

no where does it stand ? shouldnt be a reason to leave out 2 classes

[bitter lion]

No one plays rogue to fill out a wishlist.

[neon glen]

??? it is done one class at a time

[bitter lion]

[neon glen]

you want them to have link to an empty article to not feel left out?

[woeful geyser]

they literally make one for a new class/spec every 1-2 days mate lol

(MS Paint Master )

[neon glen]

he also forgot paladins existed. I will let hammer of wrath know to protest

[analog acorn]

Would make sense if you were AI 🤣

[tough swallow]

haha

[tough swallow]

i have no insight, but from what i know it might depend on other news coverage

[rotund patrol]

asymmetrical circles

[tough swallow]

its hand drawn

[rotund patrol]

mine too

[woeful geyser]

(hey look, a new one released)

[bitter lion]

Paladin. Even wowhead doesnt have a rogue manager

[analog acorn]

Don't slander my goat pookie like that

[grizzled fjord]

What the fuck's a rogue?

[earnest lion]

the themes are there though.. daggers, pistols, swords, crime

[rich meadow]

An outlaw

[faint bough]

OUTLAW!!!

[upper veldt]

[hard current]

a guy who went rogue

[lusty cargo]

where to read about which rogue is better in midnight?

[rotund patrol]

in what terms

[mellow pilot]

#midnight-assassination
#midnight-outlaw
#midnight-subtlety

Expansions isnt even out yet, numbers arent settled

"which is better" is just dumb

[rare solar]

https://tenor.com/view/pondering-pondering-my-orb-my-orb-orb-pondering-my-pondering-my-orb-orb-gif-24060364

[woeful geyser]

(the answer is Not Outlaw always)

[novel cipher]

never outlaw

[iron belfry]

O.U.T.L.A.W
Overhyped
Underperforming
Talents
Lacking
Always
Weak

[winged cipher]

In lemix can you complete the other 2 class artifact weapon quests in your primary spec? I started the Outlaw quest and I don't have weapons I can equip to fight with.

[meager totem]

you can yeah

[inland gale]

you can also buy starter weapons from a dude on the island near where you de stuff

[quasi stone]

LOVE that UI video Whisp! Thank you so much, Looking forward to maining assa

Farming that darkfuse outfit for my mog, assa rogues need it in my opinion!

[mellow pilot]

They don't

Everyone and their grandmother's have that longcoat

It's overused 🙁

[slow sparrow]

are there addons in midnight at the moment that allow multiple bars for cd/buff tracking with the cooldown manager? for example i want to track both envenom and snd but on different locations

[mellow pilot]

Whispyr just released a video talking about it

[iron belfry]

yeah but whispyr is a boomer that plays bowling

there should be addons for CD manager that simulate what you want, however i dont know if you can split bars and buffs into separate locations

maybe have one tracked as a buff in one place and the other as a bar other place

[iron belfry]

you don't

[mellow pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/i-give-it-to-ya-you-got-me-there-you-got-me-tricked-prank-gif-4730848

[iron belfry]

tbh, when i got that coat i liked it for a day, then got bored of it fast. the grind was not worth it, and i no-lifed it during RWF.

[woeful geyser]

you forgot the sunglasses

and if its outlaw, katana swords

[iron belfry]

or male kultiran with fedora

[bright otter]

it is worth it, just some time needs to pass by for it

[faint bough]

transmog stocks, buy high use low

[long crag]

rio a bit bugged for anyone else?

[frozen scarab]

impatiently waiting for BFA TW for the ashvane coat 💤

[mellow pilot]

it has been on the rotation a few times now

[frozen scarab]

yes but i havent been subbed for like 6 months so i'm waiting for the next one

[mellow pilot]

Fair enough, i feel you

[raven cosmos]

anyone have a good energy ticker for classic? Nug energy is slightly off

[iron belfry]

i used a weakaura https://wago.io/L1eTpdV2Q

[spiral spire]

Hello, does anyone know which races will be best for PvP in the new expansion for the three specializations? Outlaw, Sub, Assassin?

[wind coyote]

we know nothing at this point tbh, numbers will change still.

[spiral spire]

We don't know anything at all? Because I'm leveling an orc and a night elf.

[wind coyote]

Racials are really super minor nowadays

[spiral spire]

Yeah sur

[novel cipher]

They are though?

[glad harness]

!up

[ionic forum]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[slow sparrow]

is it true that more ppl hate deathstalker than roll the bones?

sounds wild to me

[hazy halo]

I like rtb but i despise deathstalker at times. Playing it early on araz prog wanted me to just log of

[faint bough]

what do you mean? one is a hero talent one is an ability?

[long ice]

I don't really understand the big rtb hate

[hazy halo]

same maybe some overestimate the rng factor from it or something. The new one is arguable worse in that regard because you dont have cto anymore to be able to get more buffs. If your on one in beta you will have to sit that one out

[woeful geyser]

RtB has been giga whatever for ages now, and in midnight even more, its literally press and forget in midnight

deathstalkers mark is a pain in the ass and will be a even bigger pain in the ass in midnight cus blizz is huffing some weird stuff with it

[slow sparrow]

surely ds gonna be fine after the same 10 years of iteration/patchwork fixing

[hazy halo]

Yea but to keep to that line of thinking. While we are 10+ years in in rbt iterations. Ds is like still in year 2 or something.
And they just doubled down on the part people dislike about that hero talent the most and make it worse.

[woeful geyser]

im pretty sure in 10years we are waaaay past the entire "hero talents" thing allready

[frozen river]

Am I off in reading that wowhead article that like, basically the thing that's problematic is the existence of raid notes/reminders?

There are like 3 sections just about raid notes/reminders

[woeful geyser]

its a clickbait article

nothing more

[tough swallow]

https://x.com/Wowhead/status/2010783968933642313?s=20

Wowhead💙 (@Wowhead)

In a recent hotfix on Live servers, players can start making progress on the Lumber Harvesting achievements that award mounted harvesting once the achievements launch with Midnight.

#warcraft #warwithin

https://t.co/QeW7repx4z

X · Jan 12, 2026, 6:40 PM

nice

[faint bough]

Race to 99 woodcutting

[frozen river]

🪵

[past yoke]

thats cool

do we get something like that for herbs/mining

or still that mount and druid only

[rare solar]

you uhh heard of the profession changes in dragonflight

[tough swallow]

probably druid only

[past yoke]

ah thers a node to get them mounted

i forgot

havent farmed herbs since s1

[distant moth]

hey all, going to do tbc as a rogue. id need some help getting the proper addons and weak aura if anyone would be kind enough to help a newer rogue get into tbc rogue

[woeful geyser]

this server is like, 99% retail

#classic-discussion exists, idk

[distant moth]

thx for the info

[frozen kernel]

How do you people farm gold nowadays?

[mellow pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324

Or boosting services

[rich meadow]

I heard boosting is big gold payouts

[mellow pilot]

Or way too many hours into crafting/gathering

[rich meadow]

Just need the arena rating and patience for boosting lol

[hazy halo]

If your able to boost early raid or really high keys it also pays really really good

[woeful geyser]

idk, i just sell weapon enchants 🤷‍♂️

[elder canyon]

boosting, gathering early in the expac, crafting professions

[ember nest]

i made like 10 mil crafting shit and selling this expac

in df there was also the neck order thing that also made millions

you kinda need to find something that you know is going to sell and just make that

or see when mats are lower than expected and hoard then craft and sell

[elder canyon]

i made a bit of money with flasks and Enchantments. They always sell

[long ice]

the ring upgrade stuff or whatever it was in the forbidden reach patch made me a fuckton

in df

[elder canyon]

i bought authority of the dephts recipe early in TWW season 1 that made me quite a bit

[woeful geyser]

yeha kinda the same

depths and radiant power

craft 1-2 every day with r2 materials and concentration and sell on reset day

made good amount of gold for no effort really

[elder canyon]

Yep thats how i did it with authority and alchemical chaos flasks

[ember nest]

i made the engi rezzes

at one point had like 5m+ in mailbox

just reinvesting and also selling things from destroying the thingies you could get for parts and selling the punchcards etc

also the engi pots that you throw when world first push was happening

because it was only really used by top guilds but almost no one made them

[frozen kernel]

seems like professions are good only at start of expac/season

[frozen kernel]

which pots

[ember nest]

im not ingame but the one you throw and they give stats to 5 others

and professions are always decent through the expac but early is when you can hoard and make bank yea

[elder canyon]

i dont think i agree. Sure they are better at start but people are looking for crafts regularly and consumables sell well

[ember nest]

you also kinda need to play with big boy numbers sometimes

a 20% margin is not the same

if you move 10k gold or 2m

and it cascades

[frozen kernel]

Too much competition, I have tailoring maxed on my WL and I made around 100k in s3 at most

[frozen scarab]

its not big money but i made enough just gathering in the first couple weeks to carry me through the xpac

everyone power leveling their crafts needs materials

[elder canyon]

Gathering for like an hour per week while watching a series on your other monitor gets you quite some money 😄
If you arent trying to get insanely rich or wants to buy a token every month thats more than enough

[frozen scarab]

yeah i just fly laps around a zone while getting denied from keys and it works out. not rich but never unable to afford anything

[ember nest]

usually fishing is more chill and pays well too

if you want some second monitor things

[long ice]

with truesight phial and razorstones farming mats was pretty chill while waiting for season 1 to start

+1 to fishing though very easy money esp if you got lucky with slum shark pools

[sudden heart]

guys for leveling and pre patch pvp, should i go r14 dagger or sword ? like shadowstep build

do someone has a good talent build ?

[ember nest]

if you mean sub you can ask in the #pvp chat for builds but it will be very interesting when pre patch drops

[mellow pilot]

also you should try #classic-discussion and if you can't find answers there, either check the pins for additional classic servers or google simonizeshow discord

[primal briar]

they just reverted the scaling vault for m+ it seems its capped at +10 again

[bright otter]

[ember nest]

they saw all the boosters salivating

and said you know what

better not

[grave root]

[primal briar]

yes boosting wasnt a problem before that change this was going to destroy everything

[slow sparrow]

they should do it for .5 after crest uncap

[woeful geyser]

problem was not really on boosting

like yeha it plays a part in that desicion aswell

but its probs more like, they realised that the change helps nobody really and only make stuff worse for everyone else

cus the "baseline" gets pushed up, everyone will feel preassured to push higher, more people that should NOT push higher try to do it...... like, who actually benefits there outside of the handfull of people that do higher keys before max gear lol

it would just make m+ even more toxic then it allready is

so i kinda understand why they reverted it again

[primal briar]

ye ngl i just dont see it that way max ppl were gonna push is 15s for 3/6

and at that point just make 15s and 18s give more crests

the only thing you had to push for past 3k is title and that is an astronomical jump from 3k

[woeful geyser]

its just

you gotta protect players from themself

if you make +18 keys reward stuff

people will start to expect that to be doable for them

and either push themself to unhealthy degrees and rage quit, or cry on social media that everything needs to be nerfed so they can do it

[primal briar]

i can get behind that

but

wow is already full of bitchmade players

its like just give something to people that want more from m+

[woeful geyser]

nah, thats not a WoW thing

thats a every game in the world thing

[tough swallow]

i don't know why it was put in to start with

not saying they can't do whatever they want

but the result was very predictable, and still time and ressources ended up spend to iterate on it rather than dismiss the idea

[woeful geyser]

they had the idea, i can understand why they had it, and probably realised over the weeks that it will cause more harm then good

[tough swallow]

what would the reason be?

the only reason i can think of is limiting rewards based on player skill, you can ofc word that more nicely

[hazy halo]

My guess it is was to make m+ vault as good as mythic raid vault. At the moment raid vault is straight up better if your a mythic raider because of the higher upgrade track drops. Its a "problem" they kinda intruduced themself with mythic upgrade tracks and crests

[woeful geyser]

trying to get more people to push m+ i gues

but then its also like

not many push before they are geared

[fringe umbra]

Well m+ vault is last resort practically unpickable for mythic raiders

[tough swallow]

i am not implying to be an expert on math, i did not study statistics

[woeful geyser]

pushing FOR gear is a bit weird

[fringe umbra]

Because its so much lower ilvl

[tough swallow]

but the highest increase in participation in m+ and player retention/pushing

was when m+ was the easiest, not the hardest

[woeful geyser]

they are a bit with their back against the wall with gear rn

m+ is too rewarding and removes all gear except mythic gear

[fringe umbra]

Besides any m+ specific trinkets as a mythic raider you ideally never pick from your m+ vault

[woeful geyser]

but then mythic gear in m+ only can feel bad aswell because of how the upgrade work

[fringe umbra]

Even if it has better stats, it being 2 or 3 upgrades below what youre getting from mythic raid is just ugh

[tough swallow]

idk if i agree eleem

the reason why m+ is last resort is how raid trinkets are tuned

[woeful geyser]

i mean, for how many people is THAT the reality lol

[tough swallow]

many caster would happily pick their m+ choice if its a standour trinket

[fringe umbra]

Idk anybody that kills 4 bosses of mythic

[tough swallow]

so its more a question of trinket tuning

the main problem with the vault is how big the item pool is, means if there is only one item you need, its extremely unreasonable to assume you get it

[fringe umbra]

I mean thats irrelevant if all of the items are bad because their ilvl is low

Which is what im talking about

[tough swallow]

they are still on mythic track

[fringe umbra]

Correct

[tough swallow]

but ye, i get your point

[hazy halo]

Yes but you lose crests. Same with the m+ changes you still get mythic track on 10. But alot would be upset to not get the 4/8 or w/e from plus 18

[tough swallow]

it is mostly a self created issue, by limiting crest access so heavily

[woeful geyser]

the amount of people that would be upset about not even be able to get the +18 keys and then cry how blizz "carters to elitists only" far far FAR outnumbers the handfull of people that can do +18 keys in the first place

which is like

yeha

cant really do that

like fuu said, crest limits are mostly a problem there tbh

[hazy halo]

I agree on both points.

[woeful geyser]

i honestly dont know how they can "solve" it tbh

[rare solar]

Make mythic gear non upgradable

[woeful geyser]

like, blizzard wants full mythic gear to take some time, because m+ by itself allready eliminates all other gearing levels

[rare solar]

Only hero track and below

[woeful geyser]

you know what

yeha

and make "turbo boost" let you upgrade heroic stuff to mythic level instead of increasing all ilvls

[hazy halo]

That was the case for a long time no?

[woeful geyser]

[rare solar]

Myth raid doesnt drop myth track gear apart from last two bosses, rest is vault aquisition or only last boss now that we have multiple raids(this is a pipe dream i know)

[hazy halo]

Would make turbo boost really good for playing twinks but maybe not get that many players to play again so not in their interest would be my guess

[rare solar]

Also myth track gear is just like 10 ilvls(or whatever number is high enough) above max upgrade hero track so it's worth it

[analog acorn]

Wait what? Mythic raid doesn’t drop mythic loot?

[hazy halo]

As long as m+ gives hero track that could never work. As a guild you would be more interested to go spam m+ instead of entering mythic raid to get your raiders geared. And all other then insane trinkets or cantrip items will be going out for tmog on progress kills

[iron belfry]

its always 50% you either get it or not

[rare solar]

it does, they didnt touch any gearing drops next season with the revert. (I also called it a pipe dream because it's not an announced change but instead an idea I had)

[analog acorn]

Oh i was like 'WHAT"'?

Because if mythic raid wouldnt drop mythic items most people wouldnt even bother i reckon, only if you are doing it for the CE achievement.

[woeful geyser]

playing with twinks?

[hazy halo]

[compact silo]

does any1 have a spec for this delv boss mount thingy. the contract killer

or any tips i sohuld know

or preferance of which spec to play for it

[iron belfry]

nameplates coming in prepatch also ?

[long ice]

I just did it as sub with the default raid build iirc

[compact silo]

hmm, was it tough

doable as sin?

[long ice]

yeah def doable as sin

hardest part was facing massacre clones since it was pretty finnicky the first week or so

[compact silo]

unlocking my rank 11 delv rn then ill give it a shot as sin

[long ice]

I loved it personally

[compact silo]

are tehre multiple mobs? maybe i just run the raid build

[long ice]

was a very fun challenge

you only fight the one boss

I think I ran Elusiveness over Cheat

[uneven bronze]

yooo

for prepatch

we can still play mythic plus right?

just no achievement?

[hazy halo]

yes you can still run mythic plus

[thick axle]

Why is it that I barely see any rogues ? Like it's a super rare find to see one in dungeons, ...

[long ice]

not a lot of people play it compared to other classes

[thick axle]

yeah I noticed.. is it because of difficulty / dps / ... or just a preference thing?

[long ice]

lots of people don't wanna level it bc the leveling experience generally sucks

[woeful geyser]

one of the least played classes since vanilla

🤷‍♂️

[long ice]

^

heard from a bunch of guildmates who have thought about playing it felt the juice wasn't worth the squeeze

[thick axle]

oh really wow lol I only started playing since BFA so I'm rather "new"

[long ice]

yeah historically rogue isn't very high pop

[analog pollen]

This always feels so weird to me

Just as a rogue player yk?

[thick axle]

So weird since Rogues are often very reliable since 1 of 3 specs has always been somewhat "meta"

[long ice]

stockholm syndrome

[woeful geyser]

i mean, rogue tends to be more on the "medium-to-good" range most of the time

compared to stuff like mage who are basically always God tier

[thick axle]

Also true, but i haven't known Rogues to be like unplayeable 😄

[woeful geyser]

eeeehhhh

SL launch

that was a true despair moment

[woeful geyser]

i literally got my raidspot back in TBC because they wanted a rogue and nobody else actually played it

its not a new thing

[analog pollen]

Yeah, makes sense. Very limited raid spots also attributes to a low class pop

[frozen scarab]

we should be able to catalyze the prepatch event gear right?

[mellow pilot]

In theory yeah most likely veteran / champion gear

[mystic palm]

Does anyone know if you can still upgrade gear with crests in Pre-Patch?

Or if items are locked to whatever level they are now?

[novel cipher]

Good question. I can check the ptr if it's up but if I recall correctly upgrading should be possible until midnight officially drops

[steel dagger]

How is rogue looking in general for midnight been a feral one trick since cataclysm looking for something new to play

[mellow pilot]

NEW NEW but same or new new but new?

[raven cosmos]

could anyone put me in contact with a mod from the classic rogue discord. Trying to get unbanned. I got perma'd 6 years ago for saying the f slur during a moment of gamer rage

[plush dune]

[faint bough]

https://tenor.com/view/pink-guy-thumbs-up-filthy-frank-ok-yes-gif-3892316812536588829

[meager totem]

fr*nch

[half burrow]

in lemix, purely for the sake of completing order hall campaign, which spec is fastest?

i levelled to 80 on one as sub and it felt slow

not sure if thats a spec or class issue

[mellow pilot]

Iirc it's a class issue

Order hall campaign = class

[sharp nest]

for those of you who played the beta, how is the casual content in midnight compared to tww? delves, story, dungeons. I'm interested in the design and feeling of these

[half burrow]

oh no i meant killing shit as sub feels shit becaue of low energy regen

idk if assa or outlaw kill shit slowly

[mellow pilot]

It's remix

You kill shit in 2 hits

Just don't go into hardcore world

[rare solar]

Yeah if you're just looking to get through the stories stay in ez mode, it makes it A LOT more bearable

[half burrow]

i was in normal world tier. i just mean that auto attacks were 50% of my damage :/

idk if outlaw or assa kill stuff faster instead

idk maybe it was a gear issue that shit wouldnt die in 3 backstabs

[austere tartan]

killing shit out in the world as sub just requires always pulling bigger & dancing

if you kill mobs one by one like you'd do on another class sub is pretty much the single worst spec

outlaw is good as long as you can essentially just chainpull mobs and hit something non stop

but as others have said, rogue in general is one of, if not the worst class for outdoor killing mobs really

[remote parrot]

How are we feeling about midnight? i assume Assa players are happy?

[mystic palm]

Did you find out if crests still exist and are usable to upgrade on Prepatch PTR?

[tough swallow]

neutral, i am not super hyped yet but we will see

[idle nova]

hey everyoneee ❤️ and I am super excited for the new race!

[upper veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-movie-i-see-you-jake-sully-sam-worthington-avatar2009-gif-27323052

[mellow pilot]

Yey a new elf thingy!

[plush geyser]

new elf thingy for me to continue to play human forever

[novel cipher]

No servers were online 🙁

[analog pollen]

Are we still able to upgrade gear with prepatch or do I need to lock tf in and farm gilded this weekend?

[half burrow]

More than likely lockin

No confirmed answers yet though

I'd do it to be safe due to stat squish

And I'll squish

Ilvl* squish

[faint bough]

how would ilvl squish affect anything with upgrading? theyre still going to have upgrade tracks

[meager totem]

@shell hill @glad harness

did the bot crashout usually it send every channel

[coral kindle]

If I'm new to rogue, should I take assassin or outlaw?

[glad harness]

!ban @strong herald

[mellow pilot]

Doesn't matter, pick the one you think is cooler

[coral kindle]

oki thanks

wolf with a gun is pretty funny so I think outlaw

[mellow pilot]

Fuck yeah

[grand crater]

You know what’s something I wish rogue did

I wish we could choose what movement ability to have regardless of spec

I love assassination rogue from a thematic perspective and gameplay wise but their movement ability sucks. Id rather have the grapple hook

[rare solar]

They could give us a ground targeted step yeah

[grand crater]

That too

I’d prefer choosing a spot to teleport to rather then constantly targeting NPCs or players

[outer portal]

Hey guys! Is early access on 27th of february confirmed?

[lean vapor]

Fresh level 80 rogue. Any tips on what i should focus on. And what spec is best for raids?

[rare solar]

Just get accustomed to how you gear with delves and shit, all specs are changing in a few days with prepatch

[frozen kernel]

What professions are you guys running on your rogues

[mellow pilot]

skin LW

[hazy halo]

@glad harness @grim hull @tough swallow Another one

[glad harness]

oh

Too slow

[hazy halo]

You guys are fast holy

[glad harness]

What, you think we are just a club of sorts??

Being a internet janitor is rough work!

[hazy halo]

Thats why we love you guys

[oak tartan]

Alchy and engi

Alts are for crafting other stuff

[woeful geyser]

enchanting blacksmith

🤷‍♂️

[fringe umbra]

Professions just serve to make/save you money, they provide no combat benefits. So just pick whatever you think sounds cool

[bright otter]

you say that but alchemy gave you longer flasks

[fringe umbra]

Which is just 50% cheaper flasks

[bright otter]

nitro boost ?

combat benefit ?

[fringe umbra]

Shares cd with potions

So you never use it

[bright otter]

oh I do

I just don't use potions

[tough swallow]

the only thing engineering rly offers is the battleress stuff

[fringe umbra]

That is not engineering specific

[tough swallow]

and thats not super practical

ye

that too

[frozen kernel]

Wormhole and that’s it

[tough swallow]

ye, thats not rly a combat benefit

also there was no wormhole in the last xpacs

[floral hawk]

Lootarang is BIS

[oak tartan]

There is

SL, DF and tww have it

[tough swallow]

oh interessting, i miss the tww one then

[oak tartan]

All 3 are choice teleports. Only bfa is random but with only 15min cd

[tough swallow]

ye

i have the SL one

thanks for mentioning it

[oak tartan]

DF even added ones for the new zones of later patches

Nothing beats alchy for raid. Peasants begging for new flasks and you still have 1 hour left and a 2nd conjured one left

[iron belfry]

and you get tier 3 empty bottle back from conjured ones to sell

[raw hill]

ye lol and the repairbot if the party aint too good

[woeful geyser]

what

you dont grab 3 flasks?

[fringe umbra]

I mean i agree, but its still only saving you money not giving any combat benefits

[woeful geyser]

autohammers are not engi exclusive btw, you can just buy them on the AH

and they are dirt cheap lol

[raw hill]

whoops

[oak tartan]

Inhale 2 for 3+ hours + 1 in bag

[grizzled jackal]

has blizzard added ways to white/blacklist debuffs from nameplates yet? having a dozen debuffs while in cds is so bad to look at

[fringe umbra]

Theyve removed a fuckload of debuffs

But afaik no

Like assa has garrote, rupture, mark and caustic

[grizzled jackal]

my weapon poisons double on retail, just swapped to base UI and boy does this look ass

[fringe umbra]

Yes but in midnight the poisons arent tracked

[grizzled jackal]

and the cooldown manager doesnt show rupt/garr debuff timers but surely that changes tomorrow

[grizzled jackal]

oooh

[fringe umbra]

And deahtmark doesnt double debuffs anymore

[plush dune]

on beta it tracks debuffs so yeah it should probably work in prepatch

[grizzled jackal]

unfortunately that's not really fixing the main issue. they arent allowing us to white/blacklist

its good that they changed it for DM but every spec/class probably has many cases like DM

cant fix em all

[formal falcon]

Hey guys ! Little question, do we know if (because of plater and midnight) we can still have our combo point above the target ?

[bright otter]

since plater is staying in midnight I'd assume yes

[main orbit]

Thats Not an addon - its already in standard ui

[formal falcon]

Oh god i hope so. Because I heard about these news but they also nerfed it at some point didn’t they ? I’ve heard about plater deleting the priority colours for the target health bar

[bitter lion]

So whats gonna be the solo spec for prepatch/midnight.

[mellow pilot]

Bm hunter

[noble kestrel]

I imagine you'll be able to play any of them. Just pick the one you enjoy the most.

[bitter lion]

I already have my surv hunter ready ally side. idk what to do with my horde rogue.

[mellow pilot]

Any of the three

[faint bough]

Whichever one you like the most probably

[zealous halo]

you got boosted noob

[faint bough]

Me??

[tough swallow]

think the someone he refered to did delete his message

[faint bough]

classic lashga

[rich meadow]

They should add the legion remix flying treat into midnight

I’d pay a ton of gold to have a stash of those lol

[stoic moth]

Ive decided to play WoW for the first time and was thinking of playing rogue any spec reccomendations?

[smoky dagger]

you guys know how to use luxthos cooldown manager profiles?

[rich meadow]

Wait till tomorrow cause they are all changing lol

[rare solar]

Tomorrow outlaw is looking pretty good tho

[stoic moth]

thats what im playing right now, not really sure what im doing, but im doing it

[rare solar]

Everything is gonna be a lot simpler after the patch so i wouldnt worry too much right now

[stoic moth]

yea just lvling to be ready for the expansion rn

[patent meteor]

is the new sesaon starting tomorrow?

or whast tomorrow

[fringe umbra]

No, its just most of the class changes for midnight

[frozen scarab]

if you're new just try them all and see what you like. perfect time to experiment

[hearty fog]

what does this have to do with wow

[meager totem]

its a bot

you get a few a day

@half prawn your time to shine

[half prawn]

OKAY LOWKEY I TRIED

DIDNT WORK

[uneven bronze]

will you be able to recraft gear on prepatch?

or is everything locked in and not upgradable/recraftable

[glad harness]

Thats a bit of a crystal ball question, but people were able to upgrade gear on both ptr and beta, whether it makes it to live is another question

[uneven bronze]

ye never played a prepatch maybe u could do this for another one

[slow sparrow]

how normal is it for a guild to have 40-50% avg execution on farm? theres like a 20% chance ~6 ppl die on a bosskill. we are rank ~300ish

[woeful geyser]

ngl, i never looked at execuion %

[hazy halo]

I did not even konw that is a thing

[tough swallow]

hmm, not 100% sure how to incorporate the stacking crest costs to the !upgrade list in Midnight, this is my first idea

could also add total costs, but think it gets confusing when adding too much information

open to ideas

[long ice]

I dig it

[frozen scarab]

so veteran 6 would be 50+10?

[long ice]

50 total if I'm reading it correctly

since its what, 10 per?

[plush dune]

it goes up by 10 each time ye

[frozen scarab]

oh yeah im dumb the last 2 would just be carved

[long ice]

so from vet 1 to vet 6 would be 50

[plush dune]

well no it goes up each time

[long ice]

ah, odd

[plush dune]

its kinda hard to put the new system onto the old graph i think

[frozen scarab]

vet 6/6 would cost carved though, yeah? or does it stay weathered?

[plush dune]

bc it makes it look like 6/6 still costs the next tier of crest when it doesnt

[plush dune]

it stays the same now

a hero track item will always use hero crests

etc

[long ice]

oh so they're actually locked to one crest type per track

nice

W

[frozen scarab]

yeah thats a nice change

[plush dune]

hm

maybe im misremembering that actually

hodl before i spread misinformation

[frozen scarab]

i mean it must. otherwise its a huge waste to upgrade the last 2 levels vs waiting for the next tier item to drop

[long ice]

https://tenor.com/view/how-it-feels-when-you-meme-nanami-jjk-gif-10683277372535996893

[plush dune]

ok yeah i wasnt lying

the track stays the same crest type the whole way

[long ice]

well if its always 150 of any type of crest to max an item I don't think the total costs needs to be on each track, maybe just noted in one spot

[frozen scarab]

it looks good as poasted, imo. just maybe add a line clarifying that crest type is consistent

[plush dune]

i think its good yeah

the colored numbers kinda indicate that, i just confused myself for a second

[long ice]

ye I was confused at first too thinking the number was total number of crests to get from 1/6 to X/6

[undone oasis]

Hello guys!
What specs are recommended to learn Rogue ( Startring from pre-patch) pls (Coming from Frost DK)?

[fringe umbra]

Whatever you find the most fun

There's a long time left until next season so there's no way of knowing what spec is gonna be the best numerically

[undone oasis]

Thanks
It seems like I like Subtelety

[faint bough]

All specs should be approachable so just play all of em, just need a diff weapon for main hand on outlaw

[tough swallow]

its comulative, so you need to add it up

so a total of 150 crests from 1-max

launcher just changed to midnight theme

very 🟦