my guild is about to do dragons we no split
#subtlety
warm marlin
have a nice conga line for gloom soaks or else people will kaboom each other
play outlaw for the vibes
west tide
how many pulls u take on the dragons
warm marlin
24
west tide
oh not bad
warm marlin
i have a mythic outlaw weapon but my best dagger is 266
shrewd lantern
whatthehhelly
rigid sparrow
hey guys! for sims this exp do we use ds for m+?
shrewd lantern
did you not craft one?
rigid sparrow
cuz havent seen any fuu ds sims since now
warm marlin
did you not craft one?
never needed to
shrewd lantern
warm marlin
we did not hit a damage wall and if i send crests into craft and then vorasius dagger drop
shrewd lantern
m vora wep drop angle?
hazy breach
hey guys! for sims this exp do we use ds for m+?
I would recommend you just play trickster everywhere
But obviously you can play DS if you want to
warm marlin
if i dont get one in vault or reclear next reset i will craft
shrewd lantern
i was very down bad for drops
warm marlin
assuming im not sat on paladins
rigid sparrow
I would recommend you just play trickster everywhere
sorry for the misunderstand. I meant Dungeons slice for sim
warm marlin
ah hell nah
shrewd lantern
be me and get turbofucked on loot in m+
killing chim at 261
or sum shit
i still got 90 gilded
for whatever we pull from vault
ig
warm marlin
i did not have time to do keys before splits or first day of mythic
so i was also 261
good times
shrewd lantern
yeah its why i never look at my numbers
week 1
since i dont call off to degen key
preraid
warm marlin
i might rip outlaw on paladins too and just sandbag dagger craft another week
i refuse to waste my myth crests!
shrewd lantern
maybe we get head off
imperator
dusky yacht
Oh man I'm so scared of opening that vault next monday
I need another tier item man so I get 4p
Inb4 3 unusable mythic trinkets, none of them guidon
lilac stag
you get another charge this week. if you've gotten one tier piece natty you're done
dusky yacht
Oh shit you're right
fossil forge
there's a good chance i brick in vault anyway
never stop believing
dusky yacht
I do have 2p already
Holy shit I am so lucky I didn't braindead pick tier piece in vault wednesday then
shrewd lantern
i swear
dusky yacht
Bro just saved my life
lilac stag
youre welcome
shrewd lantern
not the good chim trinket
lilac stag
lol
shrewd lantern
the shitter ooze
warm marlin
i am suffering from the success of having mythic hands and chest
so the chances of bricking are quite high indeed
dusky yacht
youre welcome
shrewd lantern
yeah it’d be pretty hard to brick for me
young reef
so for m+ do i just shurikan into black powder?
shrewd lantern
unless game gives me 5 bracers
lilac stag
This was my W from week 1 vault
warm marlin
unless game gives me 5 bracers
3 cloaks 2 bracers
lilac stag
so I should be due for 4 bricks
hollow dune
lilac stag
dreamy badger
shout at your tank so you can cleave
west tide
wtf is salhadaar boss do i dance+sec on orbss? or boss?
just kill the orbs methinks
fiery fog
the dragon fight is so weird
idk when i should hold sectec and when i shouldnt
my dmg feels so low
pastel geyser
did we get our emergency monday buff yet
waxen hawk
no more buffs?
then is finally time to craft dagger?
is definetly blizz ignoring us?
west tide
yes
swift tinsel
we're 'fine' by blizz metrics
wintry heart
then is finally time to craft dagger?
Why would a buff have anything to do with crafting dagger
swift tinsel
if they balance around 95th percentile heroic logs then we won't get touched
and sub is performing well in keys
dusky yacht
Maybe we just all need to play like shit on purpose then
sick sand
As Trickster: With Midnight Season 1 4 piece + Light Company Guidon you ideally want your second :ShadowDance: during :ShadowBlades: to be supercharging :SecretTechnique:. So cast the second :ShadowDance: right when :SecretTechnique: has 2 seconds left of its cooldown and have it be the second finisher.
We don't do this without the trink but with 4p?
swift tinsel
idk anything rogue-related is perpetually back-burnered
even with the extra press about it because of RWF
glad cosmos
It's beautiful, rest in piss puzzle box
dusky yacht
It's beautiful, rest in piss puzzle box
waxen hawk
Why would a buff have anything to do with crafting dagger
coz il change to sub since outlaw is perma benched in MM raid
void ocean
given i only did +2, but im competing in overall with ppl 20 ilvls above me even with 2p
so sub looks very fine in m+
swift tinsel
its all just he usual shouting into the void when it comes to utility as well
they thought it was a good idea to remove aoe blind
so clearly they don't have a fucking clue
void ocean
ye what was that about
swift tinsel
idk it was very telling that they just don't know what to do
and to revert it but not for months from when it was announced it was coming back
swift tinsel
idk its just really clear there's no plan or directions when it comes to rogue development
still stuck with a half-baked 'fix' to the first haste/dance/sectech iteration bc it was received so poorly and they had to scramble to do something else
pastel geyser
do we even still have a rogue dev
swift tinsel
there's a dev team
pastel geyser
i remember the rogue dev went on leave and they just skipped rogue for a patch cycle
swift tinsel
can't pin everything on one person
void ocean
Realz is not rogue dev anymore
pastel geyser
tell blizz that lmao
void ocean
right?
swift tinsel
he's still a dev but idk what his purview is
void ocean
man i remember when he hang around here discussing stuff answered questions
swift tinsel
he was working on rogue/dh stuff
pastel geyser
no one will ever convince me creating outlaw was a good idea
swift tinsel
outlaw and fel hammer
pastel geyser
bring back boring combat rogue
lilac stag
he was still active in FH after outlaw gate
void ocean
he was still active in FH after outlaw gate
wut happened
lilac stag
tldr they did dumb shit that involved realz.
swift tinsel
telling him to khs
void ocean
jesus...
swift tinsel
being general shitheads
graceful crown
is disgusting the vanguard with subtlety
void ocean
they got banned from here i hope
graceful crown
X_X
keen dome
It's why throwing ire at developers is never a good choice. They're doing the best they can in an actual paid job.
They're just people, like us.
sick dagger
rogues are so shit on myth vanguard, holy shit. how can blizz allow some classes to be so bad on cleave
swift tinsel
it fucked sucked, he would come in and have really good insightful convos and then poof gone
sick dagger
pisses me off so bad
didnt they fix sub cleave with nimble flurry in tww only to change it in midnight
swift tinsel
pretty much
sick dagger
gr8 design
keen dome
It's something I'd love to understand as a change. It's why I wish we could have discussions and insights into development.
twin quartz
didnt they fix sub cleave with nimble flurry in tww only to change it in midnigh...
Flawless form is capped at 5 stacks so nimble flurry is weak now compared to last expansion
keen dome
But most of the time people just want to shout at developers.
void ocean
Flawless form is capped at 5 stacks so nimble flurry is weak now compared to las...
yes and NF included a lot more stuff
afaik
swift tinsel
yeah he's in an unfortunate position of people here knowing his name and affiliation
so he gets to be the target
unenviable
warped zodiac
do we still go for 650 haste in m+
pastel geyser
isnt evisc not on NF now
pastel geyser
so thats why its bad
keen dome
Yep, it's sad.
twin quartz
Hell I didn’t know they removed evis from nimble flurry
keen dome
And I wish we knew why they changed it because it's was such a nice thing.
swift tinsel
esp before a cleave-heavy first season
pastel geyser
they wanted us to be black powder bots
do no damage outside of cooldowns and mid damage in cooldowns 
swift tinsel
idk I'm just heavily considering making this my last season on rogue especially, if not wow
pastel geyser
ill just take a break until changes
keen dome
I would love to know how much interaction there is between the class guys and the raid design guys. Like do they go "Okay so this tier we're doing x, y, z so class design should consider" or what. not as a "haha look" but as a genuine curiousity in how their dev pipeline works.
swift tinsel
I would love to know how much interaction there is between the class guys and th...
same
pastel geyser
I would love to know how much interaction there is between the class guys and th...
working in software development im betting its pretty minimal
swift tinsel
it would be illuminating if nothing else
sick dagger
this pruning on sub overall was bad aswell imo
keen dome
I imagine it's minimal, yeah. Esp as I imagine it isn't something that should be connected.
pastel geyser
blizzard and video game devlopers in generally have always been a good example of agile software dev done wrong
keen dome
Amongst other things, like pay, haha.
lime elm
yet they created the most amazing mmo ever lmao
keen dome
Game dev is fascinating because of how much of it is held together by hope and glue and spaghetti.
pastel geyser
pruning was good. i mean we had like 4 cds that had to be pressed just to do damage. good to condense that
keen dome
WoW is a one of a kind achievement. A 20 year old video game.
swift tinsel
they def make it hard to root for them sometimes
lime elm
true
keen dome
I think more communication would go very far to solving that, if they'd explain design goals and visions but, like.
The reception is always SO hostile and bad faith.
Why bother
pastel geyser
more communication has generally been well received the past few expacs
keen dome
It has, yeah.
pastel geyser
they put more effort into it in DF and people loved it
swift tinsel
its very mercurial, sometimes you get these blue posts with design directions or justifications, but its so inconsistent in frequency and for which classes/specs
frustratingly so
pastel geyser
DF was great about communicating and rapidly tuning
keen dome
DF was really really good and then I believe Microsoft got rid of some of those people and got an outsourced company to help and lol, lmao. I vaguely recall that anyway.
So the pipeline between developer -> player got damaged.
keen dome
its very mercurial, sometimes you get these blue posts with design directions or...
Yeah
swift tinsel
I'd personally be quite okay to know that they at least acknowledge concerns about things like utility
and say they're okay with it or are working on it
keen dome
Ye
swift tinsel
then I know if I can be justified in being upset
pastel geyser
blizz would probably benefit a lot from remote work so they arent only hiring in the most exensive place imaginable that no one wants to live in
swift tinsel
vs nebulously upset
keen dome
Like, I'd love to hear the decisions around Blind AoE. Why was it removed and why is it now coming back.
swift tinsel
Like, I'd love to hear the decisions around Blind AoE. Why was it removed and wh...
exactly
because it came across as a very odd rugpull
a class with not-great utility losing their only aoe cc
keen dome
Like, it's cool they wanna change it but tell us why. And it's great they are returning it based on feedback but could they explain why and what changed their minds? it'd be cool info and be seen as stuff actually being heard.
swift tinsel
1000%
random comet
blizz would probably benefit a lot from remote work so they arent only hiring in...
Yes but won’t you please for a moment have some empathy and consider the value of their office blocks going down if they can’t fill them with workers?
keen dome
A lot of us felt the.. I think Symbols + Anime-charged combies change in.. 11.1? was weird and awkward but it turned out really fucking good in the end.
When it was announced, I mean.
swift tinsel
oh yeah
keen dome
That was a really interesting example of people going "Hmm.. Do we want this" and then it turned out they cooked something really good.
Also goremaws
please, I wish to know the lore.
Why won't you delete it
spare crypt
nope
woeful egret
I just realized i'm terrible at pressing black powder
swift tinsel
Why won't you delete it
I'm convinced its an in-office meme at this point
swift tinsel
and they have a tally for how many times we ask for it gone/changed and for every 100 times they get free Dunkin Donuts
keen dome
Haha
swift tinsel
realz blink twice if this is true
valid yoke
and they have a tally for how many times we ask for it gone/changed and for ever...
Damnit haptics now I want doughnuts…
swift tinsel
I be a menace
fleet acorn
i cant do any cleave dmg to the orbs - the tank is 50 yards away from orb kekw
keen dome
I guess you could say.. they're orber there.
graceful crown
cant describe this in vanguard is impossible
pos 12
im hating playing what i love to play
woeful egret
we doin alright in m+ though right? right?
west tide
think of yourself as a healer
graceful crown
oh thats good
west tide
that poison doin work ❤️
swift tinsel
ye ye we're vibin in m+
keen dome
You are there to spread cheer and joy and happiness.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
Make puns.
west tide
because of you, your bestie lived
shrewd lantern
Setting your details to always show you
shrewd lantern
is chud behavior
west tide
real
swift tinsel
yeah that's what I bring to raid vc now lol
keen dome
Never forget that they are stuck in there with you, not you with them. You have a captive audience to inflict puns onto
keen dome
I predict an aura buff + a BP buff within two weeks, once the race is over.
keen dome
It won't solve anything long-term and doesn't address the problems but a BP buff is just funny
swift tinsel
and another +/- to Psychic Link
keen dome
Hahaha
swift tinsel
in our notes
sick dagger
Strike/Evisc added back to nimble
give me this
keen dome
I could see them adding Strike back with how strong it is now.
It'd be weird, but it'd be cool.
swift tinsel
with how high dance uptime is atm I think it wouldn't warrant a big st nerf
as a tradeoff or whatever
keen dome
Ye
swift tinsel
that's my personal wishlist item for a cleave bump
nothing for DS tho leave it in st
never let me think about it in keys
keen dome
Then the next season is nothing but pure ST fights and we have this precise same feeling
but in reverse
swift tinsel
haha
void ocean
next season raid all st and blizz deletes strike and evis
void ocean
refuse to elaborate
woeful egret
I'm gonna be honest, I miss rupture, or whatever they called it
swift tinsel
20sec burst timers all over the place
Shroud a required raid mechanic
we'll be gods
keen dome
Yeah but then all the rogues have quit
nobody is playing
Blizz has to nerf the raid.
swift tinsel
and people will remember Shroud exists again
keen dome
Shroud should make npcs turn invisible
keen dome
Stealing the Valdrakken npcs
pliant otter
so here's a breakdown from my previous windrunner spire run
pliant otter
I notice that my coup percentage is like almost half of the sims
swift tinsel
to delete mechanics
pliant otter
am I doing osmething wrong?
azure mauve
so here's a breakdown from my previous windrunner spire run
bp at top....padder
pliant otter
I feel like I'm hitting it at every time it's up
woeful egret
everytime i'm in a dungeon on my rogue, the tank pulls like an idiot and I become sad and resist the urge to play my brewmaster
pliant otter
bp at top....padder
it was an 8 key that I was farming and just blasting through
swift tinsel
pull with tricks
pliant otter
lol
keen dome
everytime i'm in a dungeon on my rogue, the tank pulls like an idiot and I becom...
My M+ buddy is like this. She'll play a non-tank, we do one key, the tank is terrible, and she's right back onto her tank
azure mauve
im jk lol, what else are we going to do lol
shrewd lantern
then you tank
keen dome
rogue tank????
pliant otter
hahaha it's kinda cool actually, I'm getting old I enjoy the ezpz
shrewd lantern
and the dps players have 1 shared braincell
keen dome
rogue tank!!!
swift tinsel
I'm bringing back the bdk tank this season
been having a good time
healers hate my hp bar
swift tinsel
but its the only tank I enjoy lol
woeful egret
or my favorite, they run all over the damn place with mobs rubber banding everywhere and they outrange my aoe
pliant otter
yeah, but I always see my coup counts lower than sim and not even close. Trying to figure it out
shrewd lantern
idk i think the average player just sucks
keen dome
idk i think the average player just sucks
it's true.
shrewd lantern
but its the only tank I enjoy lol
yoink the ghosts onto ranged
on 2ne boss maisara
keen dome
I pugged quite a few 10's and even when we are in the 'easiest' season ever, people can't do a +10.
shrewd lantern
also why is everyone playing rdru
keen dome
The skill gap in WoW and how it functions is fascinating. And I'm def not that great. I'm above average at best.
shrewd lantern
i thought they sucked
swift tinsel
I pugged quite a few 10's and even when we are in the 'easiest' season ever, peo...
ye pugging 10+ has been an experience
nah resto owns
both druid and sham
machine gun lifeblooms and infinite hots
swift tinsel
and efflo following lifebloom means you always have extra mastery coverage
woeful egret
dude, did a low windrunner and commander kroluk took 4 minutes to kill... I literally did 2x the dps of the hunter below me
keen dome
machine gun lifebloosm is a good bandname
shrewd lantern
if i put i just dont invite anyone with a bad mog
keen dome
dude, did a low windrunner and commander kroluk took 4 minutes to kill... I lite...
In one of the raids I was helping out with for some buddies, one of their Ret paladins was doing 25k DPS. Just.. not pushing buttons at all.
shrewd lantern
or if you fullset current season gear
woeful egret
the sad thing is that I only did 40k dps because I dinged 90 yesterday
swift tinsel
lol I'm running low keys on the tank atm and invite whoever shows up since they're so sparse atm
with how easy higher keys are
shrewd lantern
we had a priest healer on skyreach
keen dome
That's def one of the interesting impacts of this season so far. +2 being dead because +6 is so easy.
shrewd lantern
yap an entire paragraph to tank prenkey
about how disc works
then same guy gets knocked off platform
swift tinsel
yeah once you push your key to 6-7+ you're stylin
keen dome
yap an entire paragraph to tank prenkey
oh no, red flags.
swift tinsel
but pre-that is a literal deadzone
shrewd lantern
in first 20 seconds
swift tinsel
even at peak time
golden thunder
!haste
wicked joltBOT
Secret Technique cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dance only from haste which increases your baseline haste. When using a haste trinket, make sure to use it before Shadow Dance to get the extended duraiton.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.
woeful egret
my monk is like 267ish full capped on every crest with vault just chillin. I thought level your rogue it will be fun 😆
just makes me want to tank again tbh
swift tinsel
huh
woeful egret
I would argue for 6s, they drop hero
shrewd lantern
also delves give champ gear
swift tinsel
yeah
shrewd lantern
yeah low hero
woeful egret
farm 6s for gear, farm 10s for vault
swift tinsel
6's is where hero starts dropping, 0's are champ atm arent they
keen dome
Yes.
golden thunder
do we nwant 700 haste unbuffed? or are there some raidbuffs?
shrewd lantern
its 1/6 hero
swift tinsel
so yeah lower than a 6 is a deadzone
keen dome
0 are Champ, 6 is Hero 1/6, 10 is 3/6.
shrewd lantern
not ideal
swift tinsel
well yeah but its still the easiest consistent hero farm
keen dome
6, 9 and 10 are the sweetspots although I find 9 pretty fucking pointless.
shrewd lantern
besides the playerbase
swift tinsel
yeah if you're running 9's youre more than capable of running 10's
woeful egret
problem with my rogue, it's 254 ilvl because I hit 90 like yesterday so I'm not getting into other groups despite having KSM feels bad
shrewd lantern
ever since delves came out i feel
swift tinsel
and you don't even need to time to get the biggest benefit atm which is the myth vault
shrewd lantern
only the worst players do sub 6
swift tinsel
weird take
woeful egret
bro, people in lfg are kinda nutty with their requirements for some reason
woeful egret
like it's cata dungeons or something
swift tinsel
I fail to see how that really matters
swift tinsel
and so do higher than 6 keys
swift tinsel
that's all levels up to like 10-12's
woeful egret
it's really bad sub 6, I had a tank stand in the protect bubble on the first pull in windrunner spire yesterday
swift tinsel
when people start getting weeded out
keen dome
You can find really bad people in even higher keys.
swift tinsel
even then you can get shitters sneak through
shrewd lantern
yeah its called playing fotm classes
woeful egret
pinged them like 6 times and said move in chat, bro just stood there
nah, it was a bear tank
keen dome
I ran 14's last season that had people who didn't know boss mechanics. Like, it's just a common theme throughout. People bad at game. 6, 12, 10, delves, raids, mythic. I mean, fuck. I had some mythic raiders in my pug back in Manafroge
And they couldn't do Fraciltus heroic without WA's because none of them actually knew how the fight worked.
keen dome
are we goated now
you can get a cool motorcycle armour set
woeful egret
i'll be honest. I lightly know dungeon mechanics and i've tanked up to 10s. I know it's not that crazy, but this season seems to be pretty easy
swift tinsel
ksh armor thing is pretty disappointing
there's like 5% more spell effect
if that
steep adder
you can get a cool motorcycle armour set
why does life never get better for us
keen dome
woeful egret
don't even get me started on preys, all the annoying dots you can't get rid of from nightmare. I had to buy pots and food...very annoying
swift tinsel
make it purple and I dig it
steep adder
make it purple and I dig it
spittin icl
shrewd lantern
you just use recup
woeful egret
the dot stops it
shrewd lantern
were they meant to be hard
woeful egret
I actually do t11 delves pretty easily, the prays aren't hard they are just annoying
steep adder
probably man
keen dome
The only hard part of Prey is when Astralor decides I need to kill something and I am stuck in something where I can't and i just die.
And by hard i mean annoying.
woeful egret
yes that one when there is nothing to kill
shrewd lantern
i like afking for shuff q’s
swift tinsel
The only hard part of Prey is when Astralor decides I need to kill something and...
this mechanic bothers me SO much
shrewd lantern
and just killing people doing preys
keen dome
There's a few WQ's that lock you into something that you can't easily get out of.
swift tinsel
when he does it while I'm mounted
keen dome
Yep
swift tinsel
if it were some kind of skill-based challenge I'd like it but its literally just disruptive in a stupid way
shrewd lantern
Just go normal dwarf
woeful egret
i'm that new troll race, they kinda thicc you know?
shrewd lantern
though you cant stoneform alot of magic dots in raid
kind of stupid
theres a troll race
woeful egret
this is horde
steep adder
nice mog actually
shrewd lantern
horde 
glad cosmos
For the 2nd add wave on Vorasius mythic, should we greed on boss if we're not fixated? Dps is very tight rn and our cds line up then
shrewd lantern
gloves dont match
woeful egret
they do not, but I literally don't care 😄
it was to show race, not flex perfect mog
shrewd lantern
neither does purple enchant on wep
woeful egret
I earned that at somepoint for an easy pvp season so I just use it on everything
shrewd lantern
void elf kind of matches this expansion
woeful egret
I never got the cool one that would match
shrewd lantern
nightmare?
woeful egret
tyrannical glad enchant right?
shrewd lantern
was fron legion remix
keen dome
purple for life
shrewd lantern
purple for life
i like the lfr version more
woeful egret
I'm sure nobody has seen this mog before
graceful crown
keen dome
it is giving you fashion sense
graceful crown
im green
hollow raptor
purple for life
thats just a whole set
woeful egret
I use this mog so they think I'm a feral druid
swift tinsel
for some reason armory always has me in my heroic nerubar transmog
woeful egret
for like a week no matte what I set my transmog to my character was just naked
shrewd lantern
for some reason armory always has me in my heroic nerubar transmog
Yeah shit is weird
keen dome
Much like many other systems, it's creaking at the seams
swift tinsel
still get the warband/character screen wrong-mog
shrewd lantern
oh my druid wannabe mog
keen dome
Whenever i login, I'm in the Conquest set and not the Elite set. Even though I don't have the former lol. The red one just shows randomly until I login
shrewd lantern
is just druid t3
shrewd lantern
with remix class ensemble feral daggers
swift tinsel
they need the initiate's handwraps for all melee specs so I can have glowing hands on my rogue
or even smaller fist weps
gloomy reef
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
woeful egret
how about green?
sick sand
umm so if I don't have the enough haste from gear (650-700) I guess I take the haste flask to make up for it?
swift tinsel
umm so if I don't have the enough haste from gear (650-700) I guess I take the h...
you can ye
woeful egret
or orange?
shrewd lantern
highkey stupid i cant see my mog on armory proper
gilded thistle
is it haste > mastery until 18%?
woeful egret
i think that's what they said
gilded thistle
shit...
woeful egret
I just don't know if it's w/o oils and raid buffs or with
gilded thistle
i have some recombobulating to do
shadow lance
is it haste > mastery until 18%?
You aim 700 haste as trickster with buffs
woeful egret
yeah, but it's the easiest horde female race to look at that isn't female orc
and i've played fem orc for a very long time
gilded thistle
belfs?
woeful egret
I'm not into taylor swift looking women
gilded thistle
I'd take a tswift face over an orc face any day
woeful egret
"basically"
shrewd lantern
you can go no horn
wet jacinth
hi o/ would be cool if someone could check my log and find my fatal flaw. idk where im losing my 20-30k dps
west tide
chat i have 698 haste i cant find 2 haste is it over
wet jacinth
!logs
shrewd lantern
or just play alliance
swift tinsel
chat i have 698 haste i cant find 2 haste is it over
reroll try again in 12.1
woeful egret
I can't quest on ally side for some reason. I get all lost in the main cities and stuff
it's too fancy for someone like me
frigid prawn
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
woeful egret
just kinda sucks, I like sub rogue and ww monk. I really wish I liked something else
shrewd lantern
questing is follow an arrow
i have not read a single quest this entire expansion
im not sure why we're fighting alleria
woeful egret
something about her inside is evil or whatever I dunno
woeful egret
all i know is it's another tier where the final boss doesn't have interesting loot
swift tinsel
I've just been focusing on the people I'm playing with and having fun with them vs the content I'm actually doing
bc the content itself doesn't really feel that engaging atm
woeful egret
see, if you don't raid you won't get upset at your numbers in the tier list. Just mount farm from now on out
swift tinsel
idk if there's any raid fights I actually enjoy like previous tiers
swift tinsel
nah I raid to meme in discord vc
timid trellis
!log
shrewd lantern
this tier is a meme
swift tinsel
same with running keys
shrewd lantern
its kinda piss easy
swift tinsel
ye got 2.5k without even blinking
shrewd lantern
2 raid mythic vaults first week
swift tinsel
first time getting it first week ever
shrewd lantern
woeful egret
they messed up when they released castle nath, making us think they were making cool first raid tiers or something
swift tinsel
minus SLG I miss nathria
swift tinsel
anecdotally nostalgic for me bc that was my first raid in a guild since naxx
shrewd lantern
"hold dps"
swift tinsel
oh yeah sanctum almost made me quit lol
piss raid, shit dom socket/gems
korthia was terrible
shrewd lantern
the one tier of
woeful egret
I only did castle nath in shadowlands, I guess I got out at the right time
swift tinsel
also spending hours on hours in torghast to level all convenants
shrewd lantern
that wasnt healer opinion input rejected
swift tinsel
Sire was a banger end boss
woeful egret
the whole fight felt epic, with alleria I was like yo these void vfx look cool
swift tinsel
SLG one of my least favorite fights probs ever lol
shrewd lantern
ghuun
woeful egret
that fat worm was a dumb fight
swift tinsel
I was an lfr casual in bfa lol
shrewd lantern
fetid is bad for me since i played with terrorist ranged dps
swift tinsel
joined a raiding guild on a whim in season 1 SL and haven't looked back
thought about joining a CE guild for s3 TWW but idk
woeful egret
even though draenor was a terrible expansion, the raid tiers were at least cool. We got to do hellfire for like 8 months it was so good
swift tinsel
I'm caring less and less about the game and don't want to invest as much in it anymore
woeful egret
I still am a lfr casual, I just get m+ gear so I can be top dps in LFR
swift tinsel
wod had such a scuffed release and abandoned garrisons that overshadowed a bunch of the xpac
shrewd lantern
if i ever quit raiding ce
i'll prob quit the game entirely
wow is just boring to me otherwise
swift tinsel
with turbo making parsing a meme I don't really care about that anymore also
shrewd lantern
get 2.4 in pvp for cosmetics
woeful egret
pvp used to keep me in, but I really dislike solo que content and nobody does 3s anymore with a scrub like me
swift tinsel
its purely just discord vibes keeping me in the game atm
shrewd lantern
only other thing to do
alpine veldt
is find weakness trackable by any way on the buff bars on the default wow ui? i can't seem to find any way to track it aside from the big stupid buff icons up top
lilac stag
You don’t track it
swift tinsel
don't really need to track it
lilac stag
It’s up 99% of the time
swift tinsel
you don't make any decisions based on it
woeful egret
I was able to get the elite gear and all that last I tried, but it didn't feel good. I just kinda felt like ok cool I have this now
alpine veldt
so just SD every 10 seconds and call it a day?
woeful egret
I got elite transmog on warlock and I know I have no business having that on a caster
swift tinsel
its guaranteed up during dance which is the only time you'd care if its up
shrewd lantern
alpine veldt
ok, understood, ty
woeful egret
I think I got it on like 4 classes in the span of a week or two. hard to feel accomplished when it feels so free
woeful egret
i liked queing into 3s the first couple weeks, after that it's just kinda meh til the last week of the season
wow has too much meta going on in basically everything
fleet acorn
salhadaar mythic seems rly annoying for sub these big orbs are so bad whole fight cleave
open depot
Nah
Just hit orbs
help your guild kill boss
and then god rewards you in the strangest ways
fleet acorn
u sending dance + sectech only on orbs?
woeful egret
bro pressed vial like 1 time
shrewd lantern
i mean you just send on whats nearby
thorn patio
trust sim and use 2 Acuity or use one arcane on weapons?
open depot
You know I had to do it them
shrewd lantern
mast>haste ring
jaunty heath
i made it to dwagons, do you guys send cds before second intermission or during it
left ledge
fiery fog
i made it to dwagons, do you guys send cds before second intermission or during ...
the logs that are there send it before
i did too and blades end a few sec before the dragons go away
icy mulch
You know I had to do it them
Somebody’s gotta kill em 
jaunty heath
the logs that are there send it before
i did too and blades end a few sec before...
i feel like for that to happen you need chain your blades good, i was holding for adds and than you get half blades off and couple sec in intermission
fiery fog
i was just sending before orbs
our orbs just die way too quick anyway
i get a sectec off and maybe 2 bp and they are gone
jaunty heath
yeah will try that tommorow
woeful egret
I'm all confused now, do we over cap cps for apex or do we just play like normal?
fiery fog
across 22 pulls this was our damage to the orbs alone
but you need your blood dks to grip asap
dense mountain
do you think its worth sending sectec on an orb after they jump/are grouped. Are just send sectec on dragon when they spawn and BP spam after they jump?
wanton vigil
save cds to pad
jaunty heath
that seems like pad to me, unless your orb die super slow
neon fractal
with puzzle box, do i use it prepull then pop cds?
livid cape
nice 1st day in mythic 😄
Same got my yesterday
fiery fog
with puzzle box, do i use it prepull then pop cds?
you strike and then use it
neon fractal
ty
barren sandal
Does anyone know why i deal so little dmg on chimaerus overall or on boss : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8dapZMwNK1Lg36tX?fight=30&type=damage-done
fleet acorn
Does anyone know why i deal so little dmg on chimaerus overall or on boss : htt...
Bad Tank movement ? No uptime?
And wrong group assigned - i guess u Go down 2nd ?
silent dune
!stats
wicked joltBOT
The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Single Target / Mythic+: Mastery >= `Haste(~18%, roughly 650-700)` > `Critical Strike` > Versatility
barren sandal
Bad Tank movement ? No uptime?
And wrong group assigned - i guess u Go down 2nd...
y
balmy gate
do u guys only craft weapon with myth crest ? or any other amore peace ?
hoary orchid
is there still the bug to upgrade crest free the 2nd trinket and ring?
dusky yacht
Yeah I crafted weapon mythic cause I'm not waiting till my guild clears mythic for a dagger lmao
lilac stag
Look at the numbers not the percent
lime furnace
Look at the numbers not the percent
I'm at 734 haste
spice matrix
!macros
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm
This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call
Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder
You can find more macros and details in Guides like 
WoWhead or 
Icy Veins.
lilac stag
so your Sectech pretty much lines up with dance. imo it’s fine. Sims likely says drop it.
lime furnace
so your Sectech pretty much lines up with dance. imo it’s fine. Sims likely says...
I know i need to up mastery
Just worried about dropping haste
Raidbots is telling me to craft Loa ring with crit/mast. Askmrrobot is saying to craft Thalassian Phoenix Torque neck with haste mastery
It's all over the place, lol
waxen hawk
how much dps increase is our embellishment?
lilac stag
ask
Mr
Robot
Jesus
fucking
christ
lime furnace
ask
Mr
Robot
Jesus
fucking
christ
I try both just to see the differences, usually AMR is fairly close to what RB says
vagrant sinew
AMR hasnt been good since like 2017
lilac stag
That shit is basically banned in here
vagrant sinew
hope that helps
lilac stag
You do you
lime furnace
If it makes it any better I only rely on Raidbots.
I just like to check with amr lol
lilac stag
Nope. You’re still giving them traffic
lime furnace
My apologies, i'll stop
gilded thistle
lmaooo
gilded thistle
Nope. You’re still giving them traffic
the hatred runs deep here apparently
dont u dare even VISIT that website
vagrant sinew
I mean theyre basically thieves that prey on people that dont know better
vagrant sinew
and they try to pawn off their stolen stuff as their own math
lime furnace
I've always wondered how they could "Sim" something that takes raidbot forever
waxen hawk
Did they buff us finally?
open depot
Does anyone know why i deal so little dmg on chimaerus overall or on boss : htt...
dont think going down 2nd will fuck u that much
tacit aspen
I mean theyre basically thieves that prey on people that dont know better
whats the alternative
lucid jackal
Raidbots
barren sandal
dont think going down 2nd will fuck u that much
Maybe in boss dmg but on overall dmg i do not think so either and i'm clueless about why i am so low then
I do not think that i play that bad and the fact that i am low haste surely isn't the answer
But otherwise my uptime seem not bad
dusky yacht
Guys sim says I do more dps with alnseer instead of guidon so I just need it to drop next week and I just need to win the roll against 11 guildmembers (altho luckily not all of them will be at the raid prolly)
And then
I can finally
short radish
vale osprey
!up
wicked joltBOT
lilac stag
Not last minute Monday rogue buffs
Those are only for classes blizzard gives a shit about
broken saffron
Bear with me since I'm pretty new. Should I be able to clear +10s with 260 ilvl? I know it depends on a lot of factors. But I can only control mine
hazy breach
yes
open depot
Maybe in boss dmg but on overall dmg i do not think so either and i'm clueless a...
I went down second and my boss dmg seemed fine. Bit new to sub atm, so don’t know the most glaring pitfalls
valid yoke
im assuming by now that if there is no further blue post there aint gonna be any more buffs xD
lilac stag
welcome to rogue
spiral steeple
Anyone able to review logs?
lilac stag
Use !log
slate matrix
where do i do that?
spiral steeple
where do i do that?
slate matrix
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923898501529600/1488321531972...
i had no idea lol but now idk how to make a thread
!log
fringe palm
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
gray wedge
Lovely. I was a bit sceptical since I cleared a 7 with only 4 min left
A lot of m+ comes down to how a tank pulls and how CDs are used in the big ones
spice crag
yo
do raidbot sims account for haste requirement/4pc/guidon/etc with the 1.2gcd of coup de grace?
gilded thistle
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm
This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call
Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder
You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.
hazy breach
do raidbot sims account for haste requirement/4pc/guidon/etc with the 1.2gcd of ...
Yes
spice crag
Yes
i simmed +1.8k dps higher swapping platinum star band in but at the cost of 135 haste, putting me from 703 haste to 568 haste unbuffed.. is this even worth?
pine oyster
My sims are weird.. if I do a droptimiser it tells me a specific neck is an upgrade, but I have that neck in my bags, so I do a top gear sim and it reckons it’s a downgrade.. max confusion hahaha
shrewd lantern
@hazy breach you think its worth in burst aoe to ever coup sectech and pray for another coup
wintry heart
Is there a list of m+ abilities that we can vanish/meld
spice crag
pinned in <#486284970806083584>
at 568 haste down from 703, would you even consider 1 ring worth it?
dense geode
any reason tnot to macro blades and guidon
lilac stag
You’re wasting blades waiting to hit dance
gilded ferry
So, with guidon, can you fit the Second sectec inside blades?
I noticed that during lust It can be done in the opener
dense geode
how waste blades waiting if not on gcd?
lilac stag
depends on your haste levels
dense geode
standard 700
lilac stag
Not talking to you
If you don’t understand waiting for the trinket to land before hitting dance idk how to explain how blades is wasted
dense geode
Should of said those phrases vice versa
I understand now
wasting blades waiting to hit dance vs waiting for trinket to land are very different explanations
dense geode
they are absolutely different
lilac stag
Literally outlined in the faq
dense geode
all im saying is i wouldve instantly understood what you mean if you said that 2nd sentence rather than the first
short radish
honestly @lilac stag this is your fault for not instantly saying 
that's what you get for trying to be helpful
tribal blade
HELLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
dense fossil
Any news when wow analyzer might be updated? 
wanton sparrow
hero vessel or champion puzzlebox?
tribal blade
Any news when wow analyzer might be updated? <:bedge:857020618996973598>
isn't that the thing we haven't used since like SL
tribal blade
hero vessel or champion puzzlebox?
those don't go in the same trinket slot
1 is passive the other is on use
dense fossil
isn't that the thing we haven't used since like SL
It's been out there since SL? 😭
west tide
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm
This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call
Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder
You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.
tribal blade
It's been out there since SL? 😭
yeah that's the last time i remember it being relevant
dense fossil
yeah that's the last time i remember it being relevant
idk it has information regarding hero talents and stuff like that
And it’s pretty great tool for beginners
tribal blade
<:Shrug:1186374054228279379> idk it has information regarding hero talents and s...
i don't know a great deal about the site
but from what i know yeah it hasn't supported sub in a very long time
and it'll also gaslight you about your rotation
because there are encounter specific things people do
and it'll tell you you're doing the rotation wrong
short radish
turns out it's partially maintained for sub
brisk onyx
short radish
<:Shrug:1186374054228279379> idk it has information regarding hero talents and s...
but anyways dont use it. there are better sites for this
wowhead guide for starters
looking at rio
hell even murklok
ashen trail
whats yall next craft piece for tomorrow?
short radish
probably neck
quick marlin
probably wrists or whatever the clanker tells me to
tall girder
I remember using wowanalyzer last season and it said some crazy shit
unborn lichen
I just got to 90 the other day and just started wow like 2 weeks ago. Can someone help explain to me this pvp gear stuff and what i should be going for? I tried looking online and it stresses me out cause seem like if I get the wrong stuff it'll put me weeks behind
short radish
I just got to 90 the other day and just started wow like 2 weeks ago. Can someon...
but uhhh
lilac stag
honestly <@226395155098370049> this is your fault for not instantly saying <:FAQ...
It’s always my fault.
short radish
tbh just farm honor
and buy blue honor gear wiht that
then you play rated pvp and get conquest
short radish
You can have a BiS neck from crown
that's very rare and everybody and their mother will be rolling on
north garnet
can just get it from vault
north garnet
and get it on 0.5 from tokens
short radish
yeah but by the 0.5 patch comes out we'll be swimming in sparks
lilac stag
that's very rare and everybody and their mother will be rolling on
You get a nice heroic neck on reset if you’ve done the 4 week quest
plush crescent
Is heroic neck from crown better than crafted neck at mythic?
short radish
your char gearing considerations should be at most what you're getting in the next 1-2 weeks
not 1-2 months
short radish
yeah same lmao
sweet moss
Is heroic neck from crown better than crafted neck at mythic?
sim
short radish
but yeah sending a craft on the neck
short radish
and then having it being not used in 2 months
isn't really a waste
since you get 4 more spark gear by then
sweet moss
crown neck isn’t that good unless hero or myth
lilac stag
Pants Craft is the Way
lilac stag
There are no good pants unless you happen to land a mythic m+ one
short radish
you know what
im really happy how shit m+ loot is this tier
fuck all the doers
get absolutely fucking rekt
tall girder
Crafted hero belt ….
short radish
im just waiting for the reddit malding
with the absolute state of necks
and lack of 1.5min trinkets
lilac stag
you know what
im really happy how shit rogue is this tier
fuck all the doers
saves me from playing the game.
tribal blade
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/this-is-unacceptable/2281465 good time to repost this again
smash like button if you haven't already
it's actually getting some traction
close to breaking 2k views
swift tinsel
Hell yeah a dozen more likes since the last time I checked it this morning
tall girder
Yo fimb
fervent rover
yo, how to track the first dance talent ? or is it posible ?
short radish
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/this-is-unacceptable/2281465 good time t...
oh yeah i need to write my wall of text tonight and post into there
swift tinsel
I almost, maybe, kinda, not really hoped for 11th hour additional notes but then I realized how simply foolish that was
short radish
yo, how to track the first dance talent ? or is it posible ?
no
lyric thorn
hmmhm after bit of paladins mythic prog, i can confidently say dont play this class yep
tall girder
Ur south aus ye
short radish
Ur south aus ye
tall girder
What’s there to do over there
vague hare
where i can find or use addon to see the personal resoursers in the nameplates? idk why blizzard remove that
tall girder
I’m going dh
short radish
nah we have some really nice wineries
zoo is kinda nice
other than that
yeah adelaide aint it for things to do
tall girder
Wineries are old people activity
tribal blade
oh yeah i need to write my wall of text tonight and post into there
niiiiice
tall girder
Can I post on it aswell
tribal blade
Can I post on it aswell
of course! it'll help a lot
tall girder
It will be the 40 copypastas I’ve seen of rogue being bad
tribal blade
i say this but i'll probably forget
hahaha fair enough
one caveat i can say though is try not to bag too much on the devs
if there's one thing about human psychology
short radish
i will drop a single line about my conspiracy theory
tribal blade
people don't react well to feeling attacked
short radish
and that will be it
tribal blade
even though it's deserved
tribal blade
i will drop a single line about my conspiracy theory
can't wait to read it
vague spoke
dumb question is "behind your target" the back 180 or like the back... 90 or what?
short radish
you've seen it before
tribal blade
dumb question is "behind your target" the back 180 or like the back... 90 or wha...
both sides and back
used to be just back
short radish
tall girder
I think it’s real
short radish
the amount of guildies who harp on me about rogues in pvp
20 seconds earlier 
tribal blade
20 seconds earlier <:kek:890682113098133606>
lol get wrecked pvp noob
press your trinket cuh
freedom trink yourself
weak vector
20 seconds earlier <:kek:890682113098133606>
if blizzard gives monks the blademaster tree from that poll they put up a couple months ago for certain people then I'll 100% jump ship
tribal blade
rogue balancing is an actual nightmare in pvp though
short radish
if blizzard gives monks the blademaster tree from that poll they put up a couple...
free yourself brotherman
tribal blade
every single season 1 rogue spec is bonkers and then needs to be reigned in
weak vector
free yourself brotherman
I'm a glutton for punishment
short radish
we all are.
weak vector
I like to tease myself and think that maybe they're going to drop a mini redesign or some new talents or something
its like edging
but not as fun and with more disappointment
short radish
restive venture
quick question if someone could help me out, haste up to 700 and then mastery or is it mastery over haste always
weak vector
Haste to 700 then mastery baby
restive venture
tribal blade
it's funny though that sub's toolkit is really good in pvp
and borderline useless in pve
pallid inlet
I believe a random stranger because it confirms my beliefs
weak vector
I believe a random stranger because it confirms my beliefs
I'm also Gabe Newell fyi
pallid inlet
Hell yeah Gabe
weak vector
😎 steam.exe
shrewd lantern
not me last tier with 2 crafted rings and a crafted neck
not alot of options tbf
shrewd lantern
it's funny though that sub's toolkit is really good in pvp
nah its because of mages
mages being rogue’s best comp partner is definitely most of it
shrewd lantern
its funny because all of rogue’s best pvp comps
are with an overtuned caster
usually mage or lock
crazy part is at one point mage had a stun of their own
and a silence
swift tinsel
The only times I ever did arena RMP and RLS ran rampant lol
shrewd lantern
yeah nothing changed
except bfa you swapped the priest for hpal
sometimes rdruid
radiant swift
wasnt it super important to have daggers in both mH (esp) and offhand?
short radish
wasnt it super important to have daggers in both mH (esp) and offhand?
still is
!oh
wicked joltBOT
Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.
short radish
you cant use sub abilities without a dagger in MH
shrewd lantern
You never wanted a slow weapon as sub
shrewd lantern
ok grandpa
shrewd lantern
go back to bed
short radish
shrewd lantern
its crazy since