subtlety

[shrewd lantern]

to make coup not just light up when ready

[vale pine]

you could ask mapko as he has more experience with the addon api

he might know whats possible or not via addons

blizz changes the functionality frequently and enables small things

[exotic steeple]

cant u macro until u get AA proc and then just evis instead and then continue until next AA with macro

[shrewd lantern]

I also miss how my energybar with bettercdm

doesnt physically get smaller with less energy

i could have sworn the stock ui playerframe ui even does this

[lilac stag]

the player frame is fixed width in default ui

[frail bone]

I was doing this during my m0 runs and I was finding with the macro I was still holding onto the buff for some reason. even on the next AA It would still hold. Im not sure of that is because the delay of coup and server lag response.

im no pro at this stuff, but it isnt working completely correctly. I found I was using the macro and just using in evis once it came up anyways so just debating the relevance of it at this point.

[exotic steeple]

ah so you did so already

then you found a workaround

[astral axle]

Messerknecht outlaw main now? Congrats

[chrome palm]

for m0 week

then back to prison

[astral axle]

[frail bone]

not really just more or less a hang up in the macro. I get it's nice to have it on one key. But it isnt reliable enough when you exactly want to have coup over bp. If your just hammer the macro and not worried about the loss of the coup in a AA window then it doesnt matter. it's likely trivial at best in a pull at lower end keys.

[shrewd lantern]

I'd experiment but then i'd have to set up ui

I mean nothing is stopping someone from just not macroing them

you know a coup is coming shortly after sectech due to disorienting

[hazy breach]

You can track the stacks, called escalating blades

[exotic steeple]

more dps from macro because less brain ms on cdg proc

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah like coup is VERY predictable

you see it coming

ig if you proc the double hit after first one sometimes lucky

and get another in your cds

[hazy breach]

But yeah, while there really ain't any reason in simc/dummy scenarios to not macro. In practice there could be scenarios where you would rather hold onto the coup (like 2 mobs at 5% hp before a big pull)

[shrewd lantern]

our new trickster talent is basically a nerfed 2p aint it

well ig unseen can trigger once per 15 instead of 20

[frail bone]

I understand the tracking aspect. It has nothing to do with the part, more so the deployment of the macro. it simply doesnt work as written like you think it would. might be worth while to note so don't keep seeing the question arise.

Ive played around it already so no biggie just seen a couple people talking about it already and just sharing what I went through with it. For a while I thought I was messing things up (like miss spelt the macro or something rotationally).

[young harness]

how do u know its coming? im new to rogue

[shrewd lantern]

Literally read coup

[hazy breach]

When you have 4 stacks

Next evis goes boom

[static fjord]

you cant track first dance in cdm?

[hazy breach]

You cannot idd

[static fjord]

thats annoying

[hazy breach]

Yep

[static fjord]

cdm would be so epic if it didnt limit us on what to track

[bleak night]

Its ok blizzard knows best

[hazy breach]

Yeah like weakauras used to do

[bleak night]

You don't want to track first dance you just think you do

[analog granite]

What is this dark magic you speak of

[hazy breach]

Some classic type shit

[astral pewter]

procglows addon does this if u rly want it

[lilac stag]

[bleak night]

[lilac stag]

wonder how long for that hotfix

[short radish]

wtf i would never.

also what was the misinformation

[idle aurora]

I find that if I don’t have to macro Bp coup together if I never use black powder super big 🧠

[astral axle]

i love misinformation

[bleak night]

is that misinformation

[calm cloud]

yall getting disconnected as well?

like 4th time in 20 min

[stuck arrow]

Lol I wouldn't be surprised if that was why the realm was down, tbh.

[patent lichen]

Please tell me bloodmallet isn't reliable information lol

[astral axle]

that's Mr. Information to you, bub

[subtle jay]

what's wrong with bloodmallet's subtlety trinket sims xd

[hazy breach]

Its not right now

Should be fine once they rerun it

[subtle jay]

seems like sub is the only problematic sim uploaded there xd

[patent lichen]

Thank the lord, I saw it had sub and clicked for fun and cried in pain

Ok sweet lol

[hazy breach]

Dw about it

Best by far is haste on-use and the 1 boss raid trinket anyway

[patent lichen]

That's what I thought and makes the most sense

[astral axle]

I love not worrying about things

[lilac stag]

Nightmare prey this week

[astral axle]

Maybe he meant nightmare pray?

[stuck arrow]

I mean I think you can get nightmare prey this week. Not sure if it would be worth the grind, I don't think it drops anything different than hard prey.

[bleak night]

renown is capped at 3

cant get nightmare hunts

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

we got another one fellas

[west tide]

i love eating hot chip and lying

[shrewd lantern]

people really be sweating for preseason

when its all gonna be irrelevant heroic week

kind of insane tbh

[stuck arrow]

I mean you can do an infinite amount of preys. And they give 50 renown.

Would have to do like 30 of them.

[shrewd lantern]

need my week 1 hc logs

[bleak night]

[short radish]

maybe the nightmare is having to do 30 preys in a week

[bleak night]

maybe the real nightmare is the discord chatters we met along the way

[stuck arrow]

Ah. Well. Makes sense.

No idea why someone would bother doing 30 preys. 4 is bad enough. And like 8 caps your crests.

Realistically even if you could - would probably be reduced ilvl drops regardless.

[short radish]

some people just hate themselves or something

[shrewd lantern]

love how true this is

[pure wave]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shrewd lantern]

Me when people ask what to craft

[pure wave]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[shrewd lantern]

when crafts got nuked in tww as is

[lilac stag]

They’re listed as gated with season start on the 17

[willow pawn]

is m0 daily lockout tomorrow?

or we still have one more week of no content after one tour

[west tide]

some say no content

a guy like me says im free to be myself

[shrewd lantern]

REAL

ngl first 2 weeks might be my least favorite part of a season

stuck doing shitty content like m+

[west bough]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[west tide]

whats the goated alt

do not say devourer

[dire ravine]

Enhancement shaman

[west tide]

i need something with aura

alright

[dire ravine]

Big aura

[lilac stag]

Arms warrior

biggest aura currently

[candid prawn]

Does anyone here have experience with procglows? I saw someone mention it earlier, but I can't seem to get it working

[solemn lance]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[lean rover]

Is blizz gonna pre-announce class changes leading up to the 17th? Or we literally get them same day

[alpine wraith]

ok so for trickster apexxmaxing is not that good now right

[timber quiver]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization (Trickster):

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
  Note: Only up to 3 targets.

[timber quiver]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[sonic raven]

the renown neck which one is better for subtlety?

[weak vector]

Is your haste under 18%? Go haste.

[rigid jackal]

You're dps it's not your job to care about killing the boss and not wiping

Parsing on the other hand completely different deal

If it's not 99 waste of a boss

[short radish]

based

[sick sand]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization (Trickster):

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
  Note: Only up to 3 targets.

[bleak night]

guess that wasnt enough damage

[brisk onyx]

[plush roost]

Someone added an extra zero whoospies

[brisk onyx]

What?

[haughty sedge]

If you have haste on use trinket do you need to use it before shadow dance or is a macro fine

[shrewd lantern]

Need payroll to add an extra 0

[plush roost]

Real

[plush roost]

Server wont update in time u have to activate .1 second earlier

Seperate biiind

Or macro it to sblades and press that then dance

[grand wyvern]

you can in some cdm based addons, for me it works with midnightsimpleauras (with a bit of jank), not with arcui for example

[west tide]

bro u trickin me

[supple verge]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[swift tinsel]

I just ran it with the strike line taken out and it was dead even

with my gear

[alpine wraith]

hmm interesting

[idle aurora]

This is so true it makes me want to find a new raiding guild.

[grand wyvern]

took me a stupidly long amount of time and doesnt work in combat but i am kinda proud of it

[odd jacinth]

is that sim spread sheet up to date?

[short radish]

don't worry, unless you get into HoF it doesn't get much better

[idle aurora]

I spend until AoC trying to raid with my guild of idiot friends the. End up trying to pug mythics when they all immediately leave and instantly hate my life lol.

Love when I take an invite to mythic loom and the guild decides to call it the moment I zone in lol

[short radish]

oh dear

that sounds painful

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[alpine wraith]

crafting is ok for the most part

[calm cloud]

proffessional stealthing

[fair phoenix]

lol

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/tankmd how can i make the macro work for the trickster too?

the 1 option i wanna use, to just click

[calm cloud]

showtooltip just shows the macro icon and tooltop

you can just replace misdirection with tricks of the trade

[hazy breach]

You can also keybind it in your keybinds if you prefer

[fair phoenix]

😳

🫡

[stoic sphinx]

might be missing something, but looks like we dont actually care about silent storm in pure ST right?

im guessing its only in the raid build for adds and such?

[hazy breach]

Realistically it doesnt matter anywhere

Its such a miniscule amount of extra damage

Since storm already has like 75% crit chance, and doesnt do much damage anyway

But yeah its not relevant at all on ST

[stoic sphinx]

wondering in that case if we just take this then

[hazy breach]

You definitely can

Even in m+

Its still within margin to drop silent storm on huge aoe sims

[stoic sphinx]

gotcha, ty!

[hazy breach]

For trickster* i should clarify, deathstalkers storm does a bit more damage, but you deathstalker itself is not very good

[stoic sphinx]

yeye that makes sense

its partially triggering me i should honestly stop tracking it

[hazy breach]

Yep no reason to track.

If you want to storm, you'd do it anyway

[stoic sphinx]

right right

[hazy breach]

Regardless of whether or not silent is up

[fading whale]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[reef egret]

is it worth crafting rn or should i wait?

[willow pawn]

doesnt matter. crafted wep is BiS

can craft 259

[reef egret]

alright thank you

[plush roost]

Alright lads anyone hit 50k yet

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o1b8e9hzsMMhZzXrzaFQXp

[swift tinsel]

I'm still ~45k too lol

are the zone Special Assignments active yet or not til season starts

[warm marlin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f2oqQspVV8LozRASiDn4Ap lil gup needs to spend his crests better obv

[plush roost]

Spending crests week 1

[warm marlin]

anything for the sim number

[chrome palm]

Senders 😭

[maiden oar]

bangusgoppy

[short radish]

only parses that matter are day 1 hour 1 logs

[maiden oar]

[plush roost]

Gonna craft boots/cloak next week with vet i assume

[maiden oar]

yellow name so cool

[chrome palm]

The day of the sword will not be kind to this one

[plush roost]

I already told marsh i crafted an int fist weapon....

[warm marlin]

i will simply acquire the pieces in m0

[plush roost]

:^)

[warm marlin]

and then my crest sending will retroactively be correct

[maiden oar]

day of the warglaive...

[chrome palm]

Join me

[plush roost]

And miss an embellishment on splits???

[maiden oar]

i cant im a traitor

im not on rogue anymore

unless we play 2

[chrome palm]

On main??

[maiden oar]

yeah

[plush roost]

Dh duty

[sweet moss]

guys is sub the angle rn?

[plush roost]

Notlikethis

[maiden oar]

our 2nd dh quit and i am apparently the most trustowthy guy to swap to it

which is fine

i played a ton of caster in ffxiv

unless 2x rogue is insane post tuning

then it doesnt matter

[chrome palm]

You were supposed to bring balance to the comp grouch

Not join them!

[plush roost]

Cant wait to stack outlaw rogues on Midnight Falls!!!!

[maiden oar]

[warm marlin]

once i have an m0 piece in every slot ill have the liberty to choose where to craft

it is simply guaranteed

[maiden oar]

20% outlaw buff on the 17th

[plush roost]

Ah you simply control the loot

Wp

[maiden oar]

and ill be told to go be rogue again

trust

[plush roost]

Chest and leg looting ahh bih

[warm marlin]

surely with 5 leather stack we get a cloak and a pair of booties

[chrome palm]

Heh, these guys are gonna feel so silly they didn’t roll outlaw

[warm marlin]

100% chance

[plush roost]

Ya im totally not crafting a dagger !!

Despairge

[maiden oar]

i actually hope its outlaw for once

[chrome palm]

Me neither!!! Surely

[plush roost]

One day

[chrome palm]

Look I mean

[maiden oar]

messer why craft sword though i think axe is cooler

[chrome palm]

Sub is a little neutered, there’s a lot of 2 target, outlaw has prep…

If there was a tier

[maiden oar]

outlaw best st on the sim

and we all know pre raid st sim = 1:1 translation to raid performance

[chrome palm]

I mean has anyone asked

[plush roost]

Im ngl

Im getting insane assa vibes this tier

[chrome palm]

What happens when the add lives your dance burst

[plush roost]

Its just undertuned

[maiden oar]

i agree if they buff it

[chrome palm]

That would be bleak

[maiden oar]

well whatever ill be casting shift back and forth for fun anyway probably

[tribal blade]

if there's one thing we know about sin, is if it's ever undertuned it'll get buffed enough to beat the other 2

[bleak night]

because you people never learn to sandbag early

[plush roost]

You people?!?

[maiden oar]

it worked in mfo

so sad so weak sub sim

and then we explode dimensius

[bleak night]

i always sandbag

[plush roost]

Ooh no assa so undertuned ohh noo ah ha.

Does 600k burst to beloran egg oops

[maiden oar]

what if its every 1m45s

and it lasts like 20s

[plush roost]

Then feral druids cry

[maiden oar]

how many guys are 2min still

[bleak night]

all 6 of them

[warm marlin]

outlaw sim truthers when we get to march on qd and both fights have adds every 20s exactly and a burn phase every 1m45s

[maiden oar]

i feel like post prune alot of ppl are 60/90

[bleak night]

spriest lost its ability to be 60, now only 2m

unlucky

[maiden oar]

but i could be wrong and its just all the classes i ended up playing

[chrome palm]

Bro thinks he’s getting araz back

[tidal marsh]

MM hunter is also 2 minutes

[plush roost]

Felscarred havoc is basically a 2 min class

[maiden oar]

when do we get soulbinder back

yea

[plush roost]

Smile

[maiden oar]

i hope theres a good havoc fight this tier

just 1

[plush roost]

If theres ever a good fight, its dragon boss

Aldratchi triumphant return

[maiden oar]

hehe

would be funny

deathstalker?

singular focus?

[shut ridge]

DH main in the sub channel hm

[maiden oar]

craziest bp of all time?

[maiden oar]

im coping

[plush roost]

Inertia alratchi wounded quarry kaboom

[maiden oar]

theyll buff rogue so hard

and we will play 2 rogue 1 devourer

for sure

[shut ridge]

take my spot please

[maiden oar]

no no i cannot abandon hp

[maiden oar]

pathetic compared to the strengrh of 1 black powder

[shut ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/see-you-again-fast-furios-gif-25868490

[plush roost]

Guys how are we gonna feel when we see: Sub Rogue: all deathstalkers mark effects increased by 80%

On the 17th

[chrome palm]

So only 10% behind?

[shut ridge]

go ahead and do it i need that last push to unsub

[chrome palm]

That would be hype

[shut ridge]

[plush roost]

Only 10% until the dragon boss!!

Then we singularly FOCUS

[chrome palm]

Ive already seen the DS revisionists

[tribal blade]

then we get this again

[chrome palm]

Talking about dn being fun in st

[plush roost]

I still like DS

💔

[maiden oar]

i kinda liked dry shiv

but we dont have that

[plush roost]

Less now that its impossible to move mark

[maiden oar]

felt good on the mugzee rocket dudes

[maiden oar]

yea

[chrome palm]

Wym my mark moves all the time

[fleet wharf]

what is the rationale behind making mark unmovable?

[chrome palm]

I mark chimaerus

And he flys away

[maiden oar]

evil

[chrome palm]

The mark moves

I don’t see the problem

[plush roost]

Me when i dryshiv the 100% amp robot 🙈

[bleak night]

[warm marlin]

that went so hard though

i do kinda miss the dn lingering shiv

[lilac stag]

You did not say positive or negative aura. Arms def has the biggest aura. Just not in a good way.

[warm marlin]

only fun part of that spec

[plush roost]

The only. Fun part

Mut envenom spam

Vicious venoms 10% st mutilate 60% envenom lock in

[maiden oar]

they removed the dmg amp on the robot from wcl

when i got to do the fight

sob sob

[warm marlin]

hitting 20M envenoms in tww2 in execute

[plush roost]

Yum

[maiden oar]

i liked uh

noclipping the goons through the wall

[plush roost]

Hitting the 35m envenom on big mama with 20% scent

[maiden oar]

w dm caustic

[chrome palm]

Assa was kinda fun before 11.0.5 imo

[plush roost]

Before ttk

[maiden oar]

i believe u but i have no idea

oh

yeah ttk sux

[chrome palm]

Ttk really ruined that spec

[plush roost]

Yuhp

[chrome palm]

And honestly ER was fun on assa

[plush roost]

Clipping envenoms being optimal has a certain enjoyment to it idk

[maiden oar]

better than ttk

100%

[chrome palm]

Or even 200%

[plush roost]

If it was optimal for ttk to be about pooling to chain over and over

It coulda been good

But it just ended up being ungabunga press mut envenom no energy

[chrome palm]

It’s still kinda that right

[plush roost]

Yea midnight is

Should be optimal to clip but ig not

Design wise

[chrome palm]

I’m sure they’ll iterate on it

[maiden oar]

make poison bomb only happen when u clip and tune the dmg accordingly? so cool?

[plush roost]

Just increase envenom cost and damage, increase base poison damage

[chrome palm]

Pb at 5 implacable ..

[maiden oar]

visual feedback for doing it right?

[plush roost]

Make maintaining envenom something u play for

Not a given

[maiden oar]

yea

[plush roost]

Rn its like 95% uptime lmfao

[chrome palm]

Do you remember that talent that you pooled around before envenom

[brisk onyx]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[chrome palm]

5% dam after using a finisher for 5s

Or something

[plush roost]

Didnt play much assa until s4 df

[chrome palm]

Ah

[plush roost]

Wasnt that like, master planner?

[chrome palm]

Something planning I think

Elaborate planning

[plush roost]

I played assa to get my kingslayers in legion >:)

[chrome palm]

They have a talent like elaborate planning but they run the combo point one instead

Sad

[lilac stag]

I miss you

[plush roost]

Running poisoners drive still just seems wrong idk

[high wadi]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[plush roost]

I like the amp envenom thing way more

[maiden oar]

i looked up old echoing reprimand

that thing kinda goes crazy

messerknecht onto something

[chrome palm]

you would not believe how bad it was for sub in SL

[maiden oar]

ill believe anything

[chrome palm]

old ER and old SHT was some of the worst gameplay ive ever seen

[maiden oar]

bc i dont know any better

[brisk onyx]

the newest api don’t force ss to trigger apex now?

[chrome palm]

you had swing timers + sht weak aura timer that let you know when to afk for a proc

[fair phoenix]

btw noob question i can spend this adventurer and veteran as i want?

i mean, its worth it

[chrome palm]

spend adventurer and wait until next week m0 clear to use veteran to cover missing pieces

[fair phoenix]

🫡

[maiden oar]

thats funny

[fair phoenix]

and about spark i save it right?

[fleet wharf]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTGkZ2Cjr0jlv90XqW9vy9VXsVucd-yMCgHdyCvX_kQfOrexNDAC7Lf3LifuhqxrcWqJ0W3zIhvK3ii/pub this should answer most of your gearing questions

[fair phoenix]

really thanks

❤️

[maiden oar]

ive heard thats the case yeah

but i dont know all the details

[plush roost]

Enh

[warm marlin]

it was peak

[plush roost]

If leveling and gearing wasnt such a pain id agree

Charseer remains level 78 unfortunately

[warm marlin]

78

[maiden oar]

bingus have u played new enh

[plush roost]

Yeah leveling so zzz then i had the realization. I have to grind crests and loot good gear

[maiden oar]

totemic kinda cool

[plush roost]

Eugh

[maiden oar]

i like charseer good name

[astral axle]

Wait I just made the connection, Charr you raid with Andrew T?

[plush roost]

New enh is really fun with the off gcd inputs cancelling all spell queueing

[plush roost]

Did u see his tierlist

[astral axle]

Marsh* not uh the other guy

Yes lol

[plush roost]

Thoughts?

[astral axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[maiden oar]

singlehandedly forced me off rogue

[plush roost]

And yeah i joined consequece last tier

[astral axle]

I mean playing in the tier called "In and Out" has me goin Animal Style iykwim

[plush roost]

He was right pissed when echo put out a tierlist that was more ragebaited than his

[warm marlin]

no

i havent played a single new spec

[maiden oar]

ah ok

[warm marlin]

i would rather blow up than make a new ui

game sucks

[plush roost]

Real

[maiden oar]

i think totemguy is like the least pruned spec ive seen

but idk how it compares to peak enh

[warm marlin]

peak stormbringer was awesome

[maiden oar]

[maiden oar]

i thought rwf guilds had to keep their opinions to themselves

is echo actually makinf tier lists

[fleet wharf]

arent they partnered with maxroll? i'm guessing engagement bait is good for business

[plush roost]

https://maxroll.gg/wow/tierlists/raid-dps-tier-list

[swift tinsel]

yeppers

[plush roost]

Feral a tier

XD

[swift tinsel]

hey feral highkey owns

you're a literal cat

[fleet wharf]

idk, feels quite similar to the one max put out a few weeks ago

[brisk onyx]

[maiden oar]

oh ok

[plush roost]

Destro c tier

Cluelessge

[maiden oar]

my guy s tier

so cool!

[warm marlin]

the marsh list

[maiden oar]

it was really annoying if u were at exactly 4 sht

but i liked it every other time

[short radish]

guardian druids do more damage

[swift tinsel]

bears < cats

also guardian does more damage than a lot of things lol

[plush roost]

Erm actually 🤓

[short radish]

👀

is that on 20 targets?

wait no thats the ulria spreadsheet

[plush roost]

Nah the cat has good st

Meow

Better than all 3 rogues

[short radish]

perhaps i will play my druid after all

[swift tinsel]

they're fun

plus this ability looks sick as fuck

[short radish]

i feel like im playing a shitty assi rogue

[swift tinsel]

what sectech dreams of being

[swift tinsel]

nah feral wipes the floor with sin gameplay

[short radish]

with infinite utility

[plush roost]

Killing spree??

On cat?

[swift tinsel]

you don't move you have clones

that spawn and rip shit up

lemme see if I can get a vid

[plush roost]

What killing spree should have been*

[swift tinsel]

it might be my new favorite ability/animation ever

[astral axle]

wtf

why isnt that killing spree

[swift tinsel]

just wait

the vid might be a lil loud

like dude

its so fuckin cool

my favorite button all Midnight

[astral axle]

instead we get feaky ahh offbrand Reaper ult

[short radish]

yeah okay

thats kinda cool

[astral axle]

i like all the rip and tearing noise

[swift tinsel]

fuckin feral beyblade

[short radish]

why the fuck isnt our sectech like that

holy shit

[astral axle]

it is like someone walked into an archive, got a big old tome of a doorstopper book, opened it and just ripped a page clean out

[plush roost]

Hmm that really is just sectec but way more meow

[swift tinsel]

right dude

and they have Unseen Blade

[astral axle]

nice tear

[plush roost]

Meowdy pawtner

[swift tinsel]

so they spawn random clones too

[astral axle]

I wouldn't even be mad if someone walked into my archive and made that sound tearing a page out. I'd be impressed. What moxie

[swift tinsel]

but cats that bleed

[plush roost]

Ye the apex right?

That seemed cool

[astral axle]

[swift tinsel]

its frustrating bc their cat clones are more visible than ours

seeing if I can get a vid

nice got two spawns

sec to upload

but like you can see the full cat model

[maiden oar]

goes crazy

maybe i level meowch

[swift tinsel]

they always spawn across the area tho lol

[maiden oar]

i love that guy

shame ferals like alwways bad or something

[swift tinsel]

like they look like they're clawing from the shadows and then disappearing back into them

and the ancient arts clones are trying to mimic it but aren't quite there

physically lol

[astral axle]

why are they simming so well in st is it bait?

or is it that like they either do st or aoe and no inbetween

[swift tinsel]

feral was great st in MFO

they're one of the tradeoff specs

[astral axle]

ahhh yeh

rip

(pardon the pun)

[swift tinsel]

plus they actually get crazy good funnel

[astral axle]

bites yeah?

[swift tinsel]

with Apex Predators Craving bc it procs so much

yeah

and with dotc you're getting ravages a fair bit

they're just gonna be stigmatized forever too though

[astral axle]

[swift tinsel]

john madden ahh spec

idk I like it a lot

possibly more than havoc

[astral axle]

maybe i level a druid. but idk two classes feels like the sweet spot. and i have my woyer and rogue

[swift tinsel]

leveling has really endeared it to me

[astral axle]

[swift tinsel]

are the silvermoon dummies just insaneo bugged bc I'm at the inn/portal area and still in combat

[short radish]

theyre coming for you

[swift tinsel]

legit have to port to stormwind then back, or hearth

[native idol]

!Ui

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[spiral steeple]

stupid question

instant and atrophic, yeah?

!poisons

damn

[short radish]

yes

well

instant for 99.9% of content

except in those niche incidents where a boss/mob has a heal thats not interruptable

i also personally prefer using mind numbing

but honestly it's like asking if you want tomato sauce or mustard on your hot dog

(the correct answer is mustard)

[swift tinsel]

tomato...sauce?

I have concerns

[short radish]

about?

[swift tinsel]

why you're putting pasta sauce on your hotdogs

[short radish]

??????

[plush roost]

He means ketchuo

[short radish]

is tomato sauce different around the world?

[plush roost]

Europeans smhmyhead

[swift tinsel]

downundahs

[short radish]

sorta yes but tomato sauce is different to ketchup

oh

i understand now

ketchup is shit

[plush roost]

Oh u mean actual tomato sauce alright

[short radish]

no

well

i dont mean pasta sauce

[swift tinsel]

ketchup is indeed shit though

literal just sugar squeeze bottle

[short radish]

yah

[plush roost]

Waiting for you to say "catsup on the other hand..."

[short radish]

but yeah TIL that tomato sauce means pasta sauce in europe

[swift tinsel]

catsup sounds like old-people sauce that's just watery worse ketchup

[plush roost]

In canada too

[swift tinsel]

and America

[short radish]

@teal coral another thing to add to your "weird shit australia does" list

[plush roost]

We refer to all thickened tomato based sauces as kethup, and tomato sauce for pasta dishes and such

Weirdge

[swift tinsel]

ours is just the bottled burger sauce

[short radish]

we call the tomato sauce used for pasta, pasta sauce

[swift tinsel]

tomato sauce is pretty much exclusively the italian variety

[true citrus]

Whispyr is Australian /

?

[short radish]

no, he's just horrified at the weird shit australians do/have

[true citrus]

We can fix him

[plush roost]

No but im here for this headcannon

[swift tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106224572811984956/1400111974217420932/WhispyrFeels.gif

[short radish]

i dunno i think we've mentally broken him

[plush roost]

Ello govna a lil tomato sauce rupptures for your marmite envenoms innit

-whispyr

[swift tinsel]

build testing going well

for some reason his buff bar was pulling the unholy and frost dk spec aura spellID's instead of actual ability buff id's

but now that things are fixed its so nice

legit cannot wait to drop all my extra addons

[short radish]

is it acutally good

i heard a bit about vibe coding from it

[zenith egret]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

Idk how much if any is vibe coded but it’s been very heavily iterated on and tons of fixes per day

As features get rolled out it’s becoming one cohesive suite

Kiss/curse bc you get everything in one place and don’t have to jump from addon to addon but if it breaks then everything is bricked til it’s fixed

[short radish]

mmhm

tbh thats kinda why i avoided elvui

[swift tinsel]

Yeah, I’m slowly adopting it and dropping an addon at a time as I get their replacements set up in EUI but keeping their folders in case I need to go back to them

But not having to use arc anymore is nice

[short radish]

arc has been frustrating me more and more

when i try use it

icons just jumping around

or that i cant have a default "genral" set up

and have to recreate it every time i play a new class

[swift tinsel]

Yeah that’s one of the big reasons I jumped to EUI as soon as I heard about it

[swift tinsel]

This part bugged me so fucking much

[short radish]

tbh even new spec

[swift tinsel]

Even if you imported a profile from a different spec you had to redo tonnnns

[short radish]

yah

it's really fucky for when i was playing druid

[swift tinsel]

So it felt very What’s The Point

[short radish]

having the energy/rage bar differ

end of the day though it's not arcui devs fault

its blizzards fault

[swift tinsel]

Yeah it’s annoying

[chrome palm]

i just wish there was a cdm addon with drop shadows so i can run default ui scale and not have tiny ui elements in order to get pixel perfect

[swift tinsel]

Also very funny seeing ellesmere pump out tons of fixes and improvements all by himself when blizz ui stuff is literal butt soup with a team of devs

[short radish]

based ellesmere

okay you've convinced me to try set it up

fuck you making me waste 4 hours of my time tonight

i hate you

[swift tinsel]

Lmfao

[chrome palm]

its a bit of an eyesore imo

can you customize icon glows in his cdm

[swift tinsel]

It’s worth at least looking into if you’re interested

Umm I think he’s working on that kind of stuff

Mostly just getting everything functional first

[short radish]

if i can make a default general look that i can apply between classes

so i dont need to recreate my ui

for every single spec

thats all i ask

[swift tinsel]

Yeah he just added profiles today

It’s all still in beta atm but I think he said he’s shooting for Sunday full release

[short radish]

ahh cool

[swift tinsel]

But the base CDM is problematic so was having issues with it

And getting pixel perfect to work

But he said his background is really heavy on UX/UI design so it all is very easy to work with

[short radish]

cool

[lyric iris]

hellow, sorry about this dumb question, but what this mean? (Cast Combo Point builder with the following priority)

asking it because the Shadow Techniques passive, during shadowdance have some time i need cast backstab for example?

[shrewd lantern]

You're not backstabbing in dance.

[proper eagle]

Only when stealthed, you are able to SS. So when stealthed-status better SS than backstabbing

[lyric iris]

I understand, I thought that because of the passive we would at some point need to use backstab to avoid overcap. Thanks for the tips.

[hexed dagger]

I know this has been asked a ton, sorry. can I get a tldr on tracking unseen blade/if its possible

[wicked bear]

!sims

[wicked jolt]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[upbeat cradle]

Why is bloodmallet showing the darkmoon so high, i thought thise were undertuned/bad ?

[astral axle]

ignore it, their shit for sub is borked and needs to be fixed

[brisk onyx]

[pearl swan]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[iron obsidian]

can sec tech still be ranged?

[sullen nova]

is it still worth to have macro backstab with shadowdance?

[glad anvil]

is there a way to make unseen blade charges play a sound at 4 stacks?

[primal pasture]

y

[final igloo]

Hey guys, I understood the conditions to use the trickster optimisation but I don't really understand why. Is it about consuming shadow techniques with a finisher instead of a builder due to

[short radish]

no

we dont backstab in dance anymore

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[short radish]

yeah you force AA (3) to proc AA (1) which guarantees a sectech clone

is my understanding

someone correct me if im spreading misinformation though

[sullen nova]

so basically we just shadow dance SS and evis

i mean we open with SS SD then Sectech

[short radish]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[short radish]

has the opener

[tribal blade]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/ah-purchases-of-wow-token-bugs-ui-layout/2011210 holy fucking shit this just happened to me

[short radish]

but yeah ss -> evis (to start slice and dice) -> sdance+blade -> ss -> sectech

[short radish]

what the fuck lmao

[tribal blade]

ok i could actually get my UI back

whew

[shut dawn]

Is there a guide on defensives i.e. what attacks feint does and doesn’t cover? Like if im targeted by a boss mechanic w/ rot damage and CoS is on cooldown idk what “defensive” would be used if the mechanic isn’t really “area of effect”

[tribal blade]

i thought it deleted everything

just had to reselect my sub UI loadout in edit mode

[short radish]

!feint

[wicked jolt]

Atrophic /Feint in Raid: > Click to Open <

[short radish]

!defensive

[short radish]

check pin in #wow-general

[sullen nova]

Ty

[hollow trench]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shut dawn]

Ty!!

[olive canyon]

Has anyone found or is using a good interupt tracker for their party

[shrewd lantern]

yelling at your healer

[vale pine]

good morning lovely people

[shrewd lantern]

Ngl if a healer at the higher end where rot damage is real doesnt know rogue sucks vs rot damage

guy is boosted

[vale pine]

not sure if thats trackable

[proper eagle]

I ran two simcs. One is don't care about AA rule. Another is follow AA rule.(Only in shadow dance). Second one is actually 1.2% better dps but I don't know why. SS->SS->Evis->Evis versus SS->Evis->SS->Evis. Two are both in 4 gcd. What makes diff?

[olive canyon]

Ah ok, unfortunate. I was hoping there was something like that old add on that just showed everyone's add on

[vale pine]

#1065728795455266888 message

[fallow nimbus]

A few guildmates had that problem when leveling up mid dungeon with full ui crammed into 1 corner. I only experienced it once and all that happened was my cdm got shifted a few pixels

[olive canyon]

Damn so we just back to not worrying about fishing for apex proc

[tribal blade]

yeah it's super scary

[vale pine]

we need to keep an eye on it

its still worth it on deathstalker

bugfixes and simc implementation updates can shift things

but for now, it seems very neutral to do the apex optimization on trickster

[tribal blade]

is it confirmed the apex isn't worth playing around?

[tribal blade]

ah gotcha

[vale pine]

it is 100% worth it on deathstalker

where you basically do so to get apex on DN

[olive canyon]

Is outlaw really that much better....seems like a yikes. I have to find a damn one hander

[vale pine]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[olive canyon]

Thats what im looking at

[vale pine]

"that much better"

we are at ~97k dps

while outlaw is on 104k

[fallow nimbus]

Flat profile will never be better

[vale pine]

so roughly 7%

[shrewd lantern]

Outlaw has simmed higher every tier

Like this isnt news

[vale pine]

but outlaw still has a worse damage profile

[olive canyon]

ok lets remove the "that" but 7% amongst those that value 1.5% increases as large is at the very least significant

but fair points

[shrewd lantern]

Its 2026

and people still think patchwerk sims mean anything

for raid performance

[vale pine]

the 7% is high

don't get me wrong

[proper eagle]

Outlaw is better in only hitting dummy

[tribal blade]

we start every single tier where outlaw is simming way ahead

[proper eagle]

In raid or m0 you can not hit mobs always

[vale pine]

but it only matters if the boss is fairly patchwerk-y

having adds

or burst phases

shields

[olive canyon]

Doesnt seem to be any pure patchwork esque fight

this tier

[vale pine]

all can easy shift the focus to sub or sin

[shrewd lantern]

when has there been a patchwerk boss

of any real difficulty

[fallow nimbus]

World boss

[olive canyon]

This is somewhat semantics, i dont feel like there is a pure single target burn fight htis tier

*this

[shrewd lantern]

name one ever

[hollow spear]

Fuu is caught in the crossfire between "muh spec only two button, it's too easy" and people needing five hours of handholding to understand what to press for the aa minmax.

[shrewd lantern]

that has mattered

[wheat edge]

fract

[olive canyon]

i mean in the mould of a fractillus

[shrewd lantern]

i said hard bosses

[olive canyon]

it happens every tier, you get usually one ST pure burn

[shrewd lantern]

frac is a pulse check

at best

[olive canyon]

dude that is a niche requirement

[hollow spear]

Fractillus was such a joke

[olive canyon]

its just a staple of the raid scene to have one pumper ST boss and there really isnt on this tier - that is all im saying

[wheat edge]

99% of pugs were a dps race before someone with liquid and northernsky both installed got a mechanic!!

[olive canyon]

they all seem like constant cleave or burst cleave

[shrewd lantern]

yeah every raid needs their loot pinata boss

i agree

[chrome palm]

did you test the last boss of voidspire

or the last boss of march of qualdanas

st could be extremely important there

[shrewd lantern]

yeah but its not the

[brisk raptor]

Has anyone reached enough haste in pre season currently to be able to send 2 ST during blades?

[shrewd lantern]

"sit here for 5 mins and smack a boss"

type

[olive canyon]

All end game fights have big burns to meet a dps requirement - and what monkey said

im simply stating this raid tier seems to be devoid of that type of boss

[shrewd lantern]

Also big burns tend to be only relevant

for guilds that kill before a gorillion nerfs

[olive canyon]

are there comparative sims for 2t, 3t or burst cleave events?

[hollow spear]

Don't think so

[shrewd lantern]

[chrome palm]

you can sim it pretty easily

except for burst cleave

[shrewd lantern]

burst cleave devolves into who pads first

by 2nd month of a tier

[chrome palm]

i dont think the sim knows to hold secret technique for an add spawn

[hollow spear]

That used to be us

[shrewd lantern]

yeah

[hollow spear]

Holding sectec

[shrewd lantern]

araz

on farm was

[chrome palm]

this sub is better at that in some ways

[hollow spear]

Rik reverb

[shrewd lantern]

so painge

[chrome palm]

this sub would mog tww sub at rik

[hollow spear]

Ye

[chrome palm]

it would be so free to just instantly eat up barrels

[wheat edge]

playing assa on gallywix with a sub rogue and 3 ele shamans in the same raid

[shrewd lantern]

yeah idk i think assa was better at rik if you got good spatters

[chrome palm]

assa on 7 minute add spawn was demonic tho

for gally

[hollow spear]

Framemogging my ranged who don't target the ranged barrels

[wheat edge]

we killed it too fast even on the prog kill

[chrome palm]

bro

[shrewd lantern]

lmao if you got that add spawn

you fucking ascended

[hollow spear]

I got whispers from people complaining about the dps steal

[wheat edge]

on the 7:44 I think I died so I never got to have fun

[shrewd lantern]

well they took spatter out back

[wheat edge]

[shrewd lantern]

so now sub better at burst aoe me thinks

[hollow spear]

I think that's not far enough

[chrome palm]

sub was always better at burst aoe

[hollow spear]

They took it to a different country to torture it

[shrewd lantern]

nah just get an add spawn in exe

during dm kb set

[hollow spear]

What kind of burst aoe does assa even have?

[shrewd lantern]

it was spatter

in tww

[hollow spear]

Yeah that I know

Played it for a while

[shrewd lantern]

mugzee was fun

if i got last jail my parse went down the drain

[hollow spear]

Was kinda big on the King Kong boss in undermine

[chrome palm]

assa seems to be more bursty than sub overall

[shrewd lantern]

or me when the tank doesnt position

the boss to spatter both goons

[wheat edge]

problem with add spawns for assa is that you need to ramp

[chrome palm]

yeah the ramp takes a while

[shrewd lantern]

yeah sub rn feels nice when shit dies

in your blades

[chrome palm]

in fact it takes about 7 bosses before assa ramps in the new raid

[wheat edge]

[hollow spear]

Slow burn

[chrome palm]

when you get to the bosses that dont put adds far from them

[wheat edge]

spread cleave wooohooo

[shrewd lantern]

hey

you got to keep the boomkins hapy

jk they complain every tier

anyway

[hollow spear]

Which is why shadow priest can never be good at single target this tier

Or they instantly ascend beyond god mode

[chrome palm]

yeah this was the case with sub last tier of course

[shrewd lantern]

i swear boomkin players

intentionally sandbag

[hollow spear]

It's in their DNA

[shrewd lantern]

also locks

[hollow spear]

Half 🐔 half

[shrewd lantern]

every time i make the mistake of going for pvp cosmetics

in a season lock is good

getting 0.5-1.5s cc'ed

4-5x in a row

[wheat edge]

played like 20 arena skirmishes yesterday and there was atleast 1 sub rogue on both teams every lobby

[shrewd lantern]

turns out spec is good and more approachable at the low end

[hollow spear]

Yall on the grind for pvp gear?

[shrewd lantern]

when you dont need a stun global flowchart

[brisk onyx]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wheat edge]

not really but just more interested in trying it now compared to tww

[hollow spear]

Couldn't bring myself to do it yet

[wheat edge]

leveling in warmode as sub this expac was the most fun ive had in a while though

even if my honor/hour was higher than xp per hour

[shrewd lantern]

i enjoy using whirling surge to dismount other players

[vale pine]

it might be still good to practice, even if it isn't a gain currently.
We don't know what blizz will do with tuning, and if we get more bugfixes which change things

[shrewd lantern]

best part of flying change

[shrewd lantern]

i got elite set on ret using obr

[wheat edge]

normal behavior

[shrewd lantern]

i didnt read what 90% of my talents did

btw

[vale pine]

is that a good thing?

[paper flame]

is there an easy way to automate tricks of the trade target in Midnight like we had the Misdirect WA in TWW?

[shrewd lantern]

idk OBR is pretty lore accurate to ret

[dense jasper]

i just use a macro to tricks at the tank's name

[wheat edge]

there is an addon

[paper flame]

tank will never have tricks on first pull because i will forget to change name in the macro

[shrewd lantern]

thats why you misdirect the evoker

[wheat edge]

and then this macro (change MD to tricks if you want the icon)

[mortal snow]

I have it target focus. So I only need to set tank as focus every dungeon.

[tribal blade]

i use a tricks addon too, much better

frees up your focus

[short radish]

yeah having focus to be able to focus kick is way better

• if youre playing trickster which you should be

you only need to cast tricks once

[shrewd lantern]

tricks the ret

[short radish]

no. tricks the augvoker

[hollow spear]

Where are they?

[short radish]

they want my damage? they can take my aggro

[void ocean]

morning kings

[hollow spear]

It would be funny if you also tricked the - 1 million threat of shadow dance on your tank

I can feel their rage just thinking about it

[short radish]

[void ocean]

so, uhm, what do u guys do with floating combat text

like enter/exit combat, i see that thing is gone

i relied a lot on that one

[vernal junco]

Because the sub profile in the simc commit they’re using (973a06e) is incorrect
the profile is set to level 80

[zenith egret]

Is tset allready possible First Vault ?

[brisk raptor]

When we shadowblades we send back to back dances per the guide right? So what do you do as secret technique comes off cooldown from the first use? Do you send it with no dance or you let it sit on cooldown for a couple seconds and combine it with 3rd dance?

[lethal dew]

AtrocityUi has this in his "essentials" addon, so im sure there is something out there doing it aswell

[vale pine]

think we already pushed a fix for that

but ye

[vernal junco]

yep

[ornate lake]

You send the secret technique with one charge of dance.

Blades should be covered by two dances.

Don't use dance if blades has less than 10 second remaining.

Secret Technique should be covered by a dance

If blades is around 20ish seconds away from coming off CD, you can use sec tech with a single charge.

[tulip light]

hello friends i wasnt quite ablte to follow it along but was catching that we are at a poitn where the apex min max is currently not realy worth it or did i missunderstand anything?

[short radish]

it's 1.5%

whether thats worth it for you is personal

[tulip light]

still 1,5 ok. then i read that wrong - thanks

[ornate lake]

Broskis if you have slower reaction time then just blindly shadowstrike once more if the previous shadowstrike doesn't proc apex talent. It's not ideal ofc but in 9/10 cases you'll proc it.

[tulip light]

why do we need verteran crests to craft an item? Larias’ guide suggests to hold 80 / 160 for early crafts

[meager coyote]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[placid tendon]

can someone explain this rule?
so if we are at full cps with 5+ shadow techniques stacks, if we dont follow the rule, we would do evis -> shadowstrike -> evis. If we follow it we would do shadowstrike -> evis -> evis. Its seems to be the same damage but the first option saves your shadow techniques stacks.

[willow knoll]

If I craft now with spark, hunt farstriders

I can throw it in my offhand eventually anyways and upgrade later so it's pretty fine right?

[tulip light]

@willow knoll exactly. a crafted wep will be bis for the entire season as you will upgrade it later as well

[willow knoll]

aight aight

I figured, I'm just new and interacting with all these new systems

So I needed to alleviate my anxiety on it by hearing someone say it. D

😄

[tepid trellis]

id say the only reason to really hold on doing it is if you play in world rank where every little bit of performance matters

which isnt true for 99.9% of players

so crafting it is perfectly fine

[willow knoll]

For sure, this season I'm really just focused on getting better

But you know, still wanna do what's right

Almost got baited by fishhook

[tulip light]

@tepid trellis mayeb u can help - why do guides recomment to save vet crests for crafting? eg larias "For veteran crests, you’ll want to save at least 160 of them to craft embellishment items before raid." how are they used?

[tepid trellis]

no clue, ive not looked into it at all

[short radish]

@obsidian dew explain yourself

[willow knoll]

whats a good tip?

[tulip light]

also make sure not to craft int dagger (you wouldnt be the first to do so)

[willow knoll]

like 4-5k?

[willow knoll]

saw that on there too

equip it and become the most intelligent rogue.

[reef walrus]

you'd put the second embellishment on wrists, and you don't really want to spend your high tier crests on crafting wrists early on, so that's why they're recommending vet crests for that

it's fine if your wrists are low ilvl for a while, and then you have your good crests to spend on more impactful slots

[dry zodiac]

It’s also because vet crest crafts don’t use a spark, while higher ones do. Just a cheap way to get embellishments in low value slots without spending “important” resources

[willow knoll]

idk how this stuff works, I can just post in trade chat asking for max level craft right and then what?

Do I need to meet that person in person?

lmao

[tulip light]

but i dont even see the option to spend vet crests. only hero and myth or is that added when the season starts?

[dry zodiac]

No, you send them a crafting order

[reef walrus]

this is more important than what I said tbh

[willow knoll]

Oh righttt

[dry zodiac]

Through the NPC

[willow knoll]

I can select them from the dropdown under personal orders

[tulip light]

do the items not using sparks have a different name or something? - nvm i found it. all makes sense now. GG

[lilac stag]

You craft 2 non spark gear with embellishments for max dps while saving your spark

[tulip light]

i just didnt look at the lower ilvl items w/o spark req like a dumb dumb

[lilac stag]

Or you craft your 259 dagger and use the crest to fill out missing items and add an embellishment.

On reset Basically run your 8 m0. Do your weekly quest chests & prey chests. Then craft whatever is still adventurer or low ilvl.

[analog hearth]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[languid crow]

any idea how good our 4-set is atm?

[analog hearth]

why is the sim not doing ancient art optimisation at full CP, just not implemented yet or am i misundertsnading it

i see multiple 5+ stacks with no apex and it never SS twice

[tulip light]

"In terms of actual power, it is roughly a 13% damage increase from 0 set to 4 set." method guide by Stealthi

[tepid trellis]

@vale pine

[ornate lake]

In the good old days we could just create a sound weakaura to play a fart sound whenever you have 5 or more stacks of shadow technique and have an apex proc

https://tenor.com/view/back-in-my-day-silent-generation-boomer-lead-paint-stare-gif-18034920414363098848

[tepid trellis]

tldr is that right now its not actually worth it do for trickster anymore

but stuff in the background keeps changing

[willow knoll]

man trade chat dead right now

[analog hearth]

so now we are back to ooga booga ss evis 🙂

ty ty

[ornate lake]

I remember creating a hidden opportunity ambush weakaura out of opure rage in Dragonflight because normies couldn't stop crying about when to finish or when to ambush with the talents

[valid drum]

Any reason to have both backstab and shadowstrike on the actionsbar? or should i just use 1 button for both

[daring raptor]

wait so we don't do the extra ss now ? A few days ago people said we were. what changed?
Haven't seen any patch notes or anything

[tepid trellis]

they keep changing stuff in the background, they dont put all of that into notes

and as of right now it isnt worth it to play around the apex as trickster

[hollow spear]

What are you going to do with your time now that you don't have to explain this minmax thirty times a day?

[tepid trellis]

the reverse

tell people to not do it anymore

[hollow spear]

True

[lilac stag]

Just wait for !aa to be updated with

Or should I say only during lust we do it

[tepid trellis]

quiet

[lilac stag]

just spitting #fuufacts