subtlety

[swift tinsel]

and play dh on the side

though I could see myself playing outlaw on reclears for fun

[keen dome]

Purple status is high

Sub good

[swift tinsel]

I'm planning a whole purple room for my house

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[swift tinsel]

saw an inspo for a big gothic library living room deal and I wanna do that but make it purple and shadowy instead of the red and mahogany theme they went with

which meant I spent a fuckton of time farming purple pigment herbs lol

thankfully I remember most of my old herb farming routes from old xpacs which was super nostalgic lol

[graceful osprey]

I’ll still be playing sub regardless. But the lower in dps ranking we are, the more I doom

[swift tinsel]

also it would be really fucking cool of you could dye the flames in your fireplace

[astral axle]

purple fire!

[swift tinsel]

unless you can and I'm just dumb and didn't check lol

[spice monolith]

I'm just hoping during the dummy test we done I was skill issued tbh

Outlaw is looking okay at least

kind of

😭

[swift tinsel]

its less annoying than it was with crackshot/uuh

[astral axle]

yesterday's tuning patch was a real odd one it has to be said

[graceful osprey]

When in doubt, doom kek

[spice monolith]

Unbreakable stride rn we cannot be dooming

[swift tinsel]

I mean having a lil doom in the back pocket is always a safe bet

[graceful osprey]

Worst case, we can always shut down the sub discord, maybe blizzard might notice

[swift tinsel]

Nah that would be so ungodly cringe

I would lose a tremendous amount of respect for RH if that happened

[graceful osprey]

But on a different note, we need npcs in housing

[lilac stag]

Nah

We need pets in housing

[lilac stag]

We haven’t shut down the discord when it was 8 of us in BfA it ain’t happening now.

[vale pine]

shutting down discord is such a meme

[swift tinsel]

To actually go about doing it, and for ret paladin of all specs

Truly meme territory

[spice monolith]

post zul bfa was unkind to sub rogue...

[slate marlin]

What rogue needs is a rogue kalamazi

[swift tinsel]

someone to give consistently cooked takes on youtube?

[slate marlin]

Someone to report all bugs and issues

[swift tinsel]

or do you mean habitual sandbagger

[astral axle]

the hero Ravenholdt deserves, but not the one we need

[swift tinsel]

I mean whispyr made a full video

[astral axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[maiden oar]

i can do this

[maiden oar]

and this

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-sandbagger-swgoh-sandbag-territory-war-galaxy-of-heroes-gif-16411237

pretty sure bugs get brought up any time Max has his community figure tier list stream thing

[astral axle]

what if i made yt videos about the status of rogue but i only show footage of prot warrior and only show the prot warrior tree as i'm explaining things.

[swift tinsel]

and Max is on the blizz radar/payroll

[slate marlin]

Idk about payroll as he is also a rwf contender

But hes 100% on the radar

[swift tinsel]

rwf isn't blizzard-hosted

or funded

[upbeat garden]

Whats with the recent wowhead article new buffs?

[slate marlin]

I know it isnt, those guilds take massive gold loans afaik

[astral axle]

they are pushing some UI changes and other class changes which exist on beta to live

nothing new as far as i can tell. but they'll just be pushed to live

[vestal escarp]

wait darkest night consumes CB?

it does

[sullen hare]

Sub continues to be three bugs in a trenchcoat masquerading as a spec

[icy knot]

What the hell have they done to sub i think its kinda sad i loved how he was before is there a way with a talent build to get this back or is this playstyle gone?

[sullen hare]

? The play style hasn't changed much it just doesn't spend 20-25 seconds wasting backstabs

[maiden oar]

no its gone

[sullen hare]

I mean symbols is gone

[maiden oar]

its less bad on beta

[icy knot]

But you always out of energy and lost like 4 buttons

[maiden oar]

but its drastically simplified

[sullen hare]

[swift tinsel]

you were always out of energy outside of dance

[maiden oar]

on live u need a ton of haste

[swift tinsel]

and you're still flooded with energy in dance

[icy knot]

yea thats true but now i was out of energy in dance

[sullen hare]

Oh yeah that's a valid question how much haste do you have

[icy knot]

uhm

none

[sullen hare]

Prepatch ideal is like 32-33%

[swift tinsel]

even with 15-20% haste you're stylin for energy

[icy knot]

ive the old stats mastery vers

[sullen hare]

It feels like utter doodoo without haste

[icy knot]

i have 5%

[swift tinsel]

which is pretty easy to attain with one or two haste pieces and regemming/enchanting/etc

[sullen hare]

Yeah you can make some easy substitutions like throwing your shoulders and belt in the catalyst for free haste

[swift tinsel]

can catalyze shoulders too

[icy knot]

But because its simplifiet so hard its the feeling of spamming buttons gone

[sullen hare]

You're still hitting abilities on gcd every gcd for dance

[icy knot]

cuz in cd phase you pressed idk uhh 7-8 buttons i think and now its like 4 and because of that its feeling kinda slow

[sullen hare]

Well yeah it's a lot simpler but there's just no preamble to the rotation

[swift tinsel]

^^

[sullen hare]

No rupture, maybe the occasional eviscerate to get/keep snd rolling

[icy knot]

thats true but im talking for myself i was playing the sub kinda good

[maiden oar]

[sullen hare]

Oh trust me I liked it as is. I don't mind the fact that I can send a sec tec at the end of a pack without destroying my dps for the next

[icy knot]

i dont want to attack you guys yea i dont want be be mean

[maiden oar]

yea i loved to ramp flag and flawless form and go crazy

no

i agree with u

[sullen hare]

Trust me we'll let you know if you're crossing lines

[maiden oar]

tww s3 sub is the most fun ive ever had playing wow

and im very sad its gone

[icy knot]

Yea thats true the sub rouge now doesnt kills your dps when you missclick once

[sullen hare]

Right. That's an upside

[icy knot]

same

[maiden oar]

id be dooming if prepatch sub was midnight sub

[icy knot]

i tried the outlaw but the proc luck is not my favorite

[maiden oar]

just saying it isnt hehe

still a downgrade compared to 11.2 imo but...

[warm marlin]

my hope is personally renewed after we figured out that strike specifically was oversimming

[icy knot]

oh man my english is bad xD im sorry normally its ok but my grammar is uhhh

[sullen hare]

Now that the rotation is complicated enough to take up most of a Post-It note we might even get people playing the spec and more people playing the spec means we get dev time

[icy knot]

true

[maiden oar]

oh i was meaning to ask u how much of the tech is still worth it

ive been just doing the most basic rotation on beta because i dont know what to believe

[warm marlin]

gonna post update today

[maiden oar]

do you still strike @ max cp

ok we rise

ty

[warm marlin]

but yes

it's just nowhere near as good as believed

[maiden oar]

i see

[warm marlin]

instead of a 7% gain its more like 1.5

still strong

[tender dust]

What addon do you guys use for the spell que thingy?

[maiden oar]

i gotta learn how to do apl stuff

[maiden oar]

can use console

[swift tinsel]

its pretty fun

[maiden oar]

if not use advanced interface options

[swift tinsel]

and relatively straightforward when you know the syntax

[maiden oar]

previously all i really wanted to test was fight specific stuff and i couldnt get it to hold flag for ritual forge so i gave up

but maybe thats a skill issue

[plush roost]

they bugfixed VDh like 15 mins ago, someone find out if rogue got any bugfixes (surely :))

[bleak night]

[slate marlin]

did they bugfix your swirly deaths?

[plush roost]

thats messed up dude

[slate marlin]

cmon it was hilarious death

[hazy breach]

Does not seem like it

(unless its something unrelated to spell data, but thats fairly rare)

[plush roost]

[maiden oar]

[spice monolith]

I volunteer

[swift tinsel]

full send O Captain my Captain

[summer lynx]

Is the SIm sheet updated with the recent blue posts or not yet?

[hazy breach]

Yes seeing as those are beta changes

And the sheet is for prepatch

[tender dust]

I know its pre-patch and logs don't matter much but i'm extremely new to sub and i'm looking for mistakes to improve even if its pre-patch

I compared myself to someone random and i saw he had a much bigger opener, could anyone point out if i'm something doing terrible wrong?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/ZPrqBmvx81whTMYQ/dkKqBhLCyXMaFjzb?%3Ffight=58&type=damage-done&fight=58%2C0&source=15%2C72

[sullen hare]

Trinkets are a definite difference

[tender dust]

Yeah gonna use araz trinket next week

[sullen hare]

Uh

That ain't helping either. Wasting time in your dances by being gcd locked shaves damage off

Also you just kinda didn't press sectec for like 45 straight seconds

Did you lose the gamble of getting picked for mechanics while they got to play Patchwerk dps simulator?

[hazy breach]

You are a rogue, you get to dps all the time anyway

Just shadowstep right after the knockback

[sullen hare]

:52->1:43 unless I'm missing something is no man's land for sec tec

???

[stone vessel]

what's the opener? stealth->shadowtrike->shadow dance->shadow blade->secret tecnice?

should I macro shadow dance and blade together?

[tender dust]

Yeah thats 2 seconds wasted you atleast fit in other finisher right?

I dont know why sec tech wasnt pressed

[sullen hare]

You could. You could even go so far as to macro sec tec in there but if the reason why you don't have sec tec casts is because you did but you're not making sure you're off gcd and energy is good is kind of the reason we have such a dismissive attitude about macros here

[paper siren]

why the 8% damage nerf on sub?

[safe tundra]

whatre the best trinkets to have on sub rn

ty

[hazy breach]

It was one of the good specs, so it got nerfed alongside the others

[safe tundra]

forgotten sky might be hard to get

but ig i can use dinars on it

[tender dust]

So your saying cast sectec better and dont waste globals in the dance? rest is looking fine?

[sullen hare]

So if you have sectec macroed to shadow dance like many rogues have asked is okay and technically it's fine, it will still fall trap to flaws in your fundamentals like watching combo points, energy, and gcd state

[sullen hare]

It comes down to fundamentals. Rogues have a fixed 1.00 sec gcd so you want your danced abilities to be as close as humanly possible to that

But yeah you definitely need to be sec teccing more because it's a huge part of your damage both in st and multi target

I haven't looked at your secondaries but are they over the 32% or so hump to where things start lining up better?

[stone vessel]

trinket before or after secret tec?

[tender dust]

What do you do if you have one stack of dance up and sec tech is 10 seconds away? do i hold dance?

[sullen hare]

Irrelevant tbh

[tender dust]

My secondaries are kinda messed up atm

[sullen hare]

Is that on the pull? Just send two dances and toss sectec in with your third

[tender dust]

Nah i mean mid pull

[sullen hare]

That's why things are wonky

We won't need as much in midnight proper but you need to juice it to like 32-33% haste to make things line up in prepatch

[tender dust]

Ah oke. thanks for the help!

[sullen hare]

Holy crit Batman lmao

[tender dust]

Yeah its all assa gear 😄

[sullen hare]

I see you have tier shoulders. You should see if you can dump some of that crit and put a little in mastery but get yourself up over 30% haste and it'll be night and day difference

Literal neo staring into the matrix code moment if you've been wondering why things felt so bad

[tender dust]

here you just hold the dance right?

You just generate to 6+ and then dance/sectech right

[sullen hare]

Yeah holding dance isn't gonna hurt you at all since it's on a charge system

But once you hit that minimum threshold they just magically line up. Haste makes dances last longer

[tender dust]

Yeah its just better to send sec-tech on cooldown that's wat matters more inside of your dances?

[sullen hare]

Definitely always send it in dance

[tender dust]

Yeah thats what i mean. yeah i will try to make reforge some gear

[exotic holly]

i dance while i dance.

[sullen hare]

There's no point to sending dry tecs

[tender dust]

Yeah understandable

[hazy breach]

And if they dont dance then theyre no friends of mine

[tender dust]

Thanks for the help i really appreciate it

[sullen hare]

Now get out there and at a minimum get some blue parses going

[exotic holly]

hurry before the 8% nerfs roll in

[sullen hare]

Otherwise we'll ostracize you and ship you off to outlaw island

[prime raft]

is there really any reson to use DS over trick

[sullen hare]

Nope. Lol

I think it's technically better ST but in m+ it's more fuss than it's worth for shittier or the same damage

[prime raft]

ok ty

[kind edge]

this icons look pretty. whats that ?

[tender dust]

BCDM

[kind edge]

thats an addon ? doesnt find in curse forge

[tender dust]

Better cooldown manager

[kind edge]

oh ok bro, using arc ui atm. thx btw!

[tender dust]

np

[prime raft]

anyone have a Arcui profile i can not mess with it lol

i would love u forever

[grave parcel]

is shuriken tornado bugged in prepatch? can't seem to get it to proc

[unique pond]

forgive the ignorance, i'm just trying to get back into rogue now. what's the reasoning behind needing 35% haste now, but only ~15% in the expansion proper? i get the 35% is a breakpoint, but is it it only lower in midnight because we'll only have access to a lower first season level of stats vs current stats?

[hazy breach]

its proccing

[hazy breach]

We dont have apex talents right now

And no tier set, and differing trinkets

[unique pond]

fair enough, thanks

[graceful osprey]

🫡 just memeing

[tender dust]

😄

[swift tinsel]

I might cata shoulders but I cba to hunt for haste gear I don’t already have in my bags lol

[hidden crater]

Does that really extend shadow dance by a lot?

[swift tinsel]

22% plus whatever tier shoulders would give will have to work until they’re replaced with quest greens/blues at 83-84

[tender dust]

Gonna check soon

[sullen hare]

(the answer is yes)

[hazy breach]

Well it extends you dance by 150% of your haste stat. So if you have 20% haste your dances are 20 x 1.5 = 30% longer

[tender dust]

Dance went from 8 seconds to 12 seconds

[sullen hare]

see what I mean where that 6 second gap just evaporates?

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/sci-fi-retro-math-blaster-game-bored-gif-22999957

[tender dust]

eah its insane actually 😄

[swift tinsel]

Math Blaster

[sullen hare]

POV: you're numbers

https://tenor.com/view/the-matrix-matrix-matrix-vision-code-the-one-gif-4011231

[tender dust]

Crazy the difference holy shit

world just opened for me

Time to turn my name blue

[sullen hare]

hell yea 😎

[grand wyvern]

If anyone is willing to take a look at this kiss could you explain me how I am sucking so bad on a 3 button spec? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/g7TjMrq69GL1wNtP?fight=35&type=summary

Autocorrect striked it was kill

[sullen hare]

I'm not removing my emote even if you fix the typo ❤️

[grand wyvern]

I am not fixing it

[sullen hare]

I'm not a doctor but one thing that kinda pops out to me here is kill time and general parse of the raid

my guild never killed dimmy but is almost 5 minutes for a kill long for prepatch?

[grand wyvern]

Does that matter that much? I think I have seen a few long kills at high parses

[sullen hare]

I'm just digging through recently submitted parses on wcl

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/K9mWNafQtbzHBvJ3?fight=12&type=damage-done
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MNPRjg8zaxvqfbYC?fight=15&type=damage-done
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/g7TjMrq69GL1wNtP?fight=35&type=damage-done

oops that last one is yours

[hidden crater]

Giving up a lot of damage to get that?

[sullen hare]

nope, they were way over on crit

[tender dust]

No im gaining damage 😄

[hidden crater]

Hmm! Re-gemming, re-crafting, re-chanting tonight blindly based on this response!

[tender dust]

But i had 40% crit because im coming from assa bro

thawts why

[sullen hare]

comparing your parse to one of them, yeah, timing is everything

[cold sequoia]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grand wyvern]

i see, i am not that good at reading logs and parse doesn't really tell me how much i am fucking up at my level

[lilac stag]

Excuse me, we’re 2 buttons. At least that’s what every visitor from other class discords says.

[sullen hare]

one key difference is when his raid leaves starting platform versus when yours does

[tidal marsh]

Every spec is 2 buttons and dogshit easy and boring, except for the specs that I play and like

[lilac stag]

assuming it’s dimmy, Sectech adds immediately on pull. Use blades on p1. Fire one dance off p2. Unload p3.

[ebon tiger]

what's dope is getting a 99 last week, doing the exact same thing this week at the same fight length but critting far less and getting an 83. feels like parsing as a vanilla warlock spamming shadowbolt

[lilac stag]

on mobile so not gonna try to open logs

[grand wyvern]

that's the thing, simplifying the spec doesnt make parsing easier, you are still up against the same competition

[lilac stag]

Have you tried pushing the 2 buttons harder?

[lilac stag]

Technically it should make it easier if more people are playing it. When no one touches sub, the difference from orange to blue is very little.

idk if enough assa rogues jumped ship or not

rng gonna rng as well, but such is the parse life

[grand wyvern]

yeah, it's just that it's hard to gauge how good/bad i am performing and where i should improve

[lilac stag]

it’s prepatch

I wouldn’t loose too much sleep over it

Slam a training dummy. Log that and see what you’re fucking up there.

Prepatch is who can snipe the adds the best

[grand wyvern]

i wonder if a flat spec like outlaw is just plain better if you play at a level where kill times are slow

[lilac stag]

Doubtful

[eager latch]

how do they even arrive at 8%

what a random chatgpt number

[lucid jackal]

I feel like you would have made this exact comment with whatever number they picked

[bleak night]

khadgar chose the number

[lilac stag]

@plush roost was 8% ahead of warlocks in bets keys

[maiden oar]

i dont trust the number 8

4 is unlucky and its 2 4s

i agree

[bleak night]

8 is a lucky number in china and chinese new year is coming up

[maiden oar]

thats true we can wait and see

[lilac stag]

It could have been 6… 7

[wicked urchin]

i hate you hahahaha

[warm marlin]

6767676767

[eager latch]

i don't think i would have batted an eye at 10 ngl

or any multiple of 5

8 just feels weird man

i'd rather get a 10% nerf than an 8% nerf

don't @ me

[brisk onyx]

[lucid jackal]

They do 3s and 8s sometimes

Idt its that weird

[hazy breach]

8 is just 5+3 if you think about it

[eager latch]

must be some back end bullshit

for neatness

[hazy breach]

Spelldata went from 5% to -3%, so its not neatness

Genuinely they just thought the damage was a bit high so they tuned it down 8%

[brisk onyx]

Ye the pronunciation of 8 is similar to "get rich".

[woeful wren]

If they actually fix our bugs its probably not far off

The issue is nerfing us while we don't get to use our kit properly

[lucid jackal]

?

[woeful wren]

Our strongest ability has to be cancelaura'd on our apex

Lingering darkness doesn't work with half our shit

[hazy breach]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-buster-scruggs-james-franco-gif-10091997814513291973

[brisk onyx]

The embarrassing thing is that even so, it's still much better than another piece of shit.

[hazy breach]

Well the other thing doesnt work either

Its not affecting shadowed finisher or apex

[woeful wren]

Imagine the symbolic darkest night evi u could play around with a supercharge

If only it scaled into the passives

Would be juicer

Also, is pressing shadowdance supposed to cancel our refund or what

[hazy breach]

You cant get the refund while premed is up

[woeful wren]

Ah the premed thing

God

[hazy breach]

But in practice thats pretty much the same thing as canceling apex for sectech

[woeful wren]

I can see scenarios in m+ at least where u can dance with a BP into sectech if the refund works or something

[brisk onyx]

sub always seem to be plagued by whitelists; when will they remember to include shadowed finshers and any clones as well?

[swift tinsel]

The trick is to be so bugged that they start to cancel each other out and fix the whole spec

Or maybe that just creates a singularity and we all die

[hazy breach]

[brisk onyx]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/holy-paladin-changes-pushed-to-midnight-beta-380275

[woeful wren]

right boys get making some burner accounts. sub to the moon

[swift tinsel]

Hate to break it to ya chief

But rogue ain’t paladin lol

[fleet wharf]

maybe if he makes 8 million alts it might make a difference

[swift tinsel]

Nah they’ll just call a wellness check and put him in a 72 hour hold

[woeful wren]

Sadge

[lilac stag]

Start a RH gofundme so we can purchase Twitter/X bots to make blizzard think we’re worth buffing / reverting nerfs on. ez

[sullen hare]

Or

Work with me here

Shut down the discord

[swift tinsel]

#subtlety message

[astral axle]

If I didnt have RH

All of my shitposting would build up inside of me

and would accumulate so much mass it would some how expedite the heat death

of the universe

[bleak night]

that just sounds like your mom

[astral axle]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-explosion-gif-7138394752046712707

[small helm]

I need to apologize to the sub community

I bashed the spec for being way too ez wombo combo. While I still feel that way, it’s at least pretty fun 😝

[placid storm]

Hey mate! Do you have an import string for your cooldown manager by any chance? .)

[shell vector]

So if I secret tech and then dance/blades ends do the cloes still do the increased damage or do I need to secret tech a little before dance is over?

[hazy breach]

They do not snapshot the buffs

[woeful wren]

@hazy breach do we have a mob count for DS where it's worth dumping the DN to start getting mark/mass casualty dmg?

[hazy breach]

Never now

Always use DN

[woeful wren]

So we dnt ever just strike and into aoe rota not procing marks

[hazy breach]

Correct, always use DN

And cancelaura apex so you can spend the sht stacks on BP instead

[woeful wren]

fk need to make a dn button

[hazy breach]

Fwiw in comparison to trickster it still seems awful in aoe

[woeful wren]

singular focus just doesn't do enough

[raven sluice]

In aoe, do I use supercharger on black powder or darkest night proc

[teal coral]

Must be fucking nice

[teal coral]

In aoe you don’t consume darkest night procs

I guess the technicality is that you want to consume supercharge with sectec but that’s essentially guaranteed

[wind burrow]

Whats the reason trickster specifically wants to trigger AA at 5 stacks during SD?

[brisk onyx]

What is AA

[teal coral]

Ancient arts I assume

[wind burrow]

Yeah ancient arts

[brisk onyx]

cuz you want to trigger clone from finisher

[wind burrow]

is it because of flawless form that it only benefits trickster?

[hazy breach]

Nah you do now

After mass casualty buff

[hazy breach]

None of the effects in the deathstalker tree buffs clones

Its just bugged

[teal coral]

That’s so aids my god

[hazy breach]

yep

But since the eviscerate itself doesnt do much damage

You never want apex on it

[teal coral]

naturally

[hazy breach]

We love cancelauraing

[woeful wren]

just buff singular focus to 30% and job done np

[upbeat garden]

I always consume darkest night buff,I try to think that Im doing prio damage

[scarlet heath]

just buff singular focus to 100% ez

[lilac stag]

Shut up enjoy your 30% buff to BP. ~Blizzard

[vale pine]

good morning lovely people

[lilac stag]

No. Too many outside bits and I can’t be arsed to put it all together for public consumption right now. Maybe come release.

[haughty mural]

I love it

[lilac stag]

The evolution of KPB

[haughty mural]

[vale pine]

now every spec in the game is 2 buttons

🤣

[lilac stag]

Eventually folks in here will realize this.

maybe

[vale pine]

to be fair, recent changes now make it so we always trigger dn

so back to tracking dn

[lilac stag]

not if you just ignore the hero tree.

[keen dome]

What if we just.. didn't. And pretended it didn't exist

High5 Scath

[vale pine]

thats the plan ^^

[alpine wraith]

more like back to trickster pog

after the crit dmg nerf we are safe

[vale pine]

bp + coup macro

[alpine wraith]

until they decide to double or triple the talents again

they always have that dog in them

[lilac stag]

my guess is seeing the outlaw and sub nerfs in a blue post scared off any of our possible new recruits.

[keen dome]

It's sad the most purple hero talent is the worst for Sub. Alas.

[keen dome]

They'll be back.

"I've been forced to play Sub for prog"

[vale pine]

subtlety was not outstandingly good

so ye

we might see people currently just play sth like enh

[lilac stag]

I meant the class shoppers. Not the assa rogues.

[keen dome]

Haha, fair

My goal for Midnight is to try and get a full clear as every spec on Heroic, with at least an 80 on every boss.

Every rogue spec, that is.

I'm too lazy to do all 32 specs.

[vale pine]

i am currently downloading 12.0.1 ptr

but it seems like what i mentioned yesterday is true

[lilac stag]

I wonder if is possible to see the number of different people engaged in conversation over a time period in this channel. Regulars vs New Folk

[keen dome]

We'll just have weird talents for a few weeks?

[vale pine]

about the point economy change in general tree

i mean

its better

[keen dome]

Nice

[vale pine]

we lose 2 dps talents in the general tree

but once early access starts

you don't need to adjust talents anymore

[lilac stag]

next week gonna suck

Until we hit March

[keen dome]

It's what, 3 regular talents, 3 hero, 4 apex?

[lilac stag]

But it also doesn’t matter

[keen dome]

We get while elveling, i mean

[keen dome]

Neat

The three in the class tree are the most interesting, since the other six are all automatically slotted.

[vale pine]

spec - class - hero
spec - class - hero
spec - class - hero
spec

basically

[keen dome]

Hero not spec though, ye?

Also leveling as Deathstalker? I guess it's more purple...

[vale pine]

oh wait ye

[haughty mural]

did i read that right ?

next week no supercharger ?

[lilac stag]

Fuu posting DS leveling talents.

[keen dome]

Hey, DS will let us delete quest mobs REAL hard.

[vale pine]

its both

shows ds and trickster in the smaller one

[keen dome]

I guess it doesn't matter since you have no choice with hero talents anyway

You just fill in the remaining 3 slots

[vale pine]

fixed the above message

but reaching max level is basically just

getting apex and the new hero talents

[keen dome]

Yeah

The only place with any 'choice' is the class tree, and those aren't really a choice anyway

[lilac stag]

I need to try leveling in beta

[vale pine]

@lilac stag

i can also quickly switch it, thats the easiest part tbh

[keen dome]

Fuu chose maximum purple, so I approve.

[brisk onyx]

[vale pine]

when i wrote it, deathstaker seemed stronger, but well ^^

[keen dome]

Could change again!

[vale pine]

ye

[keen dome]

Could do a cute slice icon. Where it's half DS, half Trick

[vale pine]

it takes like 5 minutes to change between the two in the section

think thats the only way the timeline tool works

so can't chage the visuals

[keen dome]

Aw

[vale pine]

the template was given from wowhead

[lilac stag]

Oh Lordy. I didn’t click the image so didn’t see the dust spec

[vale pine]

its a more refined version of how i used it before the midnight update

[haughty mural]

Im so torn

[vale pine]

on a diffrent note, we now have the bad lag in simc

Koji pushed it tonight with an update to have world lag

Adjust Shadow Dance stance delay to be based on world lag rather than a hardcoded delay

[median nacelle]

@vale pine did bp become a builder and storm a finisher? 🫣😳

[vale pine]

my internet seems slow

so need to wait for the image to load

[keen dome]

Haha, that's cool

[vale pine]

XD

ye its updated based on #1065728795455266888 message

the testing i did yesterday

i might re-start my router

because the picture is not loading ^^

[median nacelle]

ur missing out, its feet pics

[lilac stag]

I’m glad this got added. Seems small but I love that we try to model everything accurately.

[vale pine]

Oh, will fix in a moment once my internet is back (this is from moblle phone)

[median nacelle]

all g, randomly noticed it haha

[scarlet heath]

I for one welcome our lord Shuriken Storm as our new finisher

[vale pine]

Dont jinx it

They did that to assassination ct is now a builder

[lilac stag]

It’s Fuu’s plan for getting another BP buff

[vale pine]

what page is that from?

[median nacelle]

dno if that helps lol

on phone atm

[lilac stag]

Just link the page

[median nacelle]

fair point

sec

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/subtlety/dps-leveling-tips#leveling-talents-rogue-class-tree

its still early for me

dont judge, no coffee yet

[haughty mural]

[lilac stag]

Meanwhile it’s 2:30 am here.

fully functional insomniac

[alpine wraith]

i know i went to sleep at 5 to wake at 8

[vale pine]

thanks 👍

sorry, my internet is shit today

seems like isp's can't handle the snow well

should be fixed now, time to update some other things ^^

[keen dome]

that's why they should send all the snow to me

[vale pine]

but first, lets login to 12.0.1 ptr

[median nacelle]

hypeee

[vale pine]

uhm

why is my beta character on 12.0.1 ptr

well, that just confirms that the gate changes

[haughty mural]

keeping all the snow in your mountains, eh?

only raining down here

[azure thicket]

we have a lot of rain moving in so i reinstalled mgs5 and got a copy of ds1

supreme

[vale pine]

12.0.1 Changes:

The patch comes with some small adjustments, the main change is the movement of the gates in the general rogue tree.
This means, players now need to spend 2 more points on utility before unlocking the last gate, reducing the amount of points we can spend in it by 2. We likely invest less into the middle path talents.

You can find import strings on WoWhead or Icy Veins.

The new talent setup takes the middle path and deeper. You can see this in the attached image .

Gameplay changes:
Gameplay stays largely unchanged, the buffs to Mass Casualty mean we can't ignore Darkest Night anymore, so we fall back to always play around it (also in AoE/Multi Target).

[alpine wraith]

we got big cuck

but we are not the worst ones at least

[haughty mural]

[sour horizon]

boooo

[void ocean]

ah yes

the good old kick in the nuts gameplay feel

design more than gameplay tho*

[alpine wraith]

dont worry the extra cp you dont even notice

we dont have finisher cdr

now the leech tho

[vale pine]

its fairly irrelevant ye

[void ocean]

we get one less capstone?

[alpine wraith]

when patch drops yea

but you get points back as you lvl

[tribal blade]

does this change sectec usage in any way

[vale pine]

two less capstone (dps) talents

but 2 more utility talents

[tribal blade]

feels like it's slightly less important to supercharge sectec

with just 1 point in it

actually makes it more rigid nvm

[vale pine]

i don't think we drop cb

so well

[faint prairie]

Hey folks, just a quick question.
Do I still press Techniques while in Dance even without supercharged CPs or do I delay its usage for the next dance window with supercharged cps up?

[azure thicket]

did they do something to shadowrunner to make it not affect shroud or was that another talent by the way?

[vale pine]

you would still press it

but you should usually have secret up for supercharger

because your dance use is decided by secret cd (kinda)

[tribal blade]

you can mostly ignore dance's cd and just send dance once sectec's off cd

[vale pine]

^

[alpine wraith]

but actually be careful on your second or third set of cds

and look at blades cd

[vale pine]

the only time you send dance without secret on low cd or off cd

[tribal blade]

that too

[faint prairie]

I ran into the situation a few times that dance is still up and technique goes off cd - and I am wondering if I wait for the "new" dance or just send techniques while in the "old" dance without blue cps

[alpine wraith]

you may not be able to dance twice

if you dont delay a bit but it is fine

[vale pine]

is during blades

[tribal blade]

that should only ever happen during blades yeah

if it happens outside blades you messed up

[faint prairie]

y, I just started testing out sub since monday so rota is not optimal currently

[tribal blade]

how dare you not be absolutely perfect immediately

[vale pine]

haha

[faint prairie]

coming from pistol shooting outlaw where I just press my whole head onto my keyboard every gcd to do optimal dmg 😄

[tribal blade]

outlaw has more thinking going on than prepatch sub atm tbh

i guess as a vet sub rogue it feels that way

[haughty mural]

i think his question was if he uses sectech without supercharged cps inside of blades when it comes off cd inside the dance chain

[faint prairie]

outlaw is more intuitive bc I am used to the specc sind DF 😄

[tribal blade]

haha fair enough

old sub was taking these concepts and multiplying it like x5 or something

[faint prairie]

generally speaking ye, but also happens outside for me currently (which I see is not optimal and indicates fuckups in my rota)

[azure thicket]

this is ragebait but since we only get 1 sec tec is it really that grief to send it on the second dance during blades

there's definitely enough downtime to resync it etc

[alpine wraith]

you dance three times in a row kinda

afterwards you want to sec tech as soon as possible anyway

and if you are trickster you want to get coups as soon as possible

so you send it first finisher in first dance

[azure thicket]

ye for sure but stuff happens and you send a little too early

[lilac stag]

Thinking or reacting? Can be very different

[tribal blade]

true

i'm sure for vet outlaw players the new rotation feels like kindergarten

[lilac stag]

You react to a builder for the most part. Idk if there’s any more thinking than have BF up for adds & reroll 1 buff.

so just like sub on the surface.

They lost what 20 apm so yeah I’d assume it feels very simple to vets

[alpine wraith]

it will come to snipe adds or change timings a bit we all in the same ship of aaaa

i though prep would be cool but seems not

[lilac stag]

when you don’t feel your cds, why would resetting feel good

[haughty mural]

but they got 15% dmg in cds 11!111!1!!!!

[lilac stag]

I wonder if you’d actually notice it in a damage amp.

oh @haughty mural gonna try QUI today. See if I can replace arcui

[haughty mural]

let me know

arcui makes me really mad sometimes

[lilac stag]

if I don’t keep it, likely going to drop UUF. Seems useless except to remove the portraits

elv still sucks in raid and was giving random cpu strains

uuf was better

I think arc isn’t exactly helping at times, but elv still seemed like the culprit when turning shit off and on

[brisk onyx]

@lilac stag what plate addon do you use?

[lilac stag]

anator

Plater is a hot mess

[brisk onyx]

[hollow spear]

I'll just wait with my ui

[haughty mural]

i deactivated it faster than my shadow after trying it for 2 seconds

[lilac stag]

nothing else to do so trying to see what does what and how it does it.

[brisk onyx]

can I see some pictures?

[lilac stag]

Umm moment

[haughty mural]

also arcui is a hot mess with profiles

plater is the elvui of nameplate addons

so i just use platynator

[sly shore]

FALSE

[haughty mural]

[sly shore]

I have zero issue with plater

[lilac stag]

Buffs and debuffs say otherwise

[sly shore]

again, no issue

[azure thicket]

plater works but the flexibility for some specs is gone

[lilac stag]

@brisk onyx this is default

This is during cds

[brisk onyx]

Yes, plater is currently unable to filter poisons for me

[lilac stag]

Tell me you’re not playing rogue without telling me.

[sly shore]

I played it in raid on sunday

[azure thicket]

every day i look at my wow boost

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5HIAbc0cqx0

[brisk onyx]

Does your plater version filter poison? honestly, this is really bothering me

[granite trench]

whats the rotation for sub rogue? are we using cheapshot and kidney shot?

[sly shore]

not a fucking clue

I ain't looking at the debuffs for anything

[lilac stag]

It doesn’t

[sly shore]

but I know my bars are not mega stacked with debuffs

[lilac stag]

Apparently he doesn’t look at his nameplates

[sly shore]

what reason would I need to look at them

[azure thicket]

kidney a caster 4 seconds after kicking it

[sly shore]

the debuffs, that is

what information does that convey

that is valuable

[lilac stag]

Then why have plater?

[brisk onyx]

Okay, it seems you just don't look at those things lol

[sly shore]

I am looking at the hp

and the cast

[azure thicket]

in lower keys it dun matter too much since bolts don't do much except nudge healers to stop dps

[sly shore]

there is not a single debuff that can be applied that I would need to care about

ever

now rupture is gone

[granite trench]

huh

[azure thicket]

yeah seriously

[granite trench]

what about cheapshot?

[haughty mural]

[stiff horizon]

I have a question. I’m new to Rogue, and right now I only really enjoy Subtlety. Are there any Rogues who play only Subtlety?
Should I also learn the other two specs, or is it completely fine to stick with just Subtlety? m+ and raid

[azure thicket]

put it where rupture used to be and hope you don't have to press it but maybe there's a cook since it doesn't eat cps

[brisk onyx]

You don't really need to look at it, but you wouldn't want your plate covered in poison or some other shit, especially when there are many mobs.

[sly shore]

welcome to midnight lol

[azure thicket]

haven't really needed it but it's there

[sly shore]

can you turn off debuffs on frame?

completely

cos I'd just do that for rogue

[azure thicket]

like..there's enough time in shadow dance for it to work and not be too wonky but mystery

[sly shore]

since outlaw and sub don't care and assa just cleaves with ct off one target anyway

[vale pine]

yes, there are rogues that only play subtlety ^^

if you want to always be optimal, you need to learn all 3

but unless you play in the top 10 wrs or so, thats irrelevant

[stiff horizon]

thanks

[azure thicket]

top 200 rogues for the na region felt pretty ye this season but it was literally all sub and 3k on the other two specs

[sly shore]

people will always gravitate to whichever is the most damage for either the entire raid on average

or the last 2 bosses for prog

[granite trench]

do shadowclones work? do i need to be using cheapshot and kidney shot in my rotation?

[sly shore]

they work and no you don't

[granite trench]

why not? they do secret technique?

[brisk onyx]

yes

[azure thicket]

it's more like incentive to use them and not lose damage

[lilac stag]

you use cc for cc. Not for dps gains in the rotation.

[azure thicket]

grim batol and most 13s were probably easier than we made them out to be lol

[brisk onyx]

Akaari from sectech = shadow clones

[azure thicket]

just had to throw stuns

[sly shore]

we take that talent because it makes shadow clones do 15% more damage

not because of the cheap shot/kidney part

[lilac stag]

I think you’re confusing them (the person)

[brisk onyx]

Okay, it just seems like people often assume that we don't have any clones in prepatch

[lilac stag]

Maybe I’m misreading, but it seemed like wanting danse stacks from cheap shot

[sly shore]

no

[haughty mural]

Umbral Edge

[sly shore]

He's reading this and assuming

[lilac stag]

right but is asking about using the CC

Which would be rotational

[sly shore]

yes because it's in the talent

[granite trench]

im reading this and using common sense

[sly shore]

unfortunately you cannot apply common sense to rogue

[lilac stag]

welcome to rogue

2 button spec btw

[haughty mural]

another soul fell to the most intuitive spec

[sly shore]

thinking it makes sense lol

[lilac stag]

this is never going to get old

[slender kraken]

questions we going death stalker on beta now?

[stiff horizon]

but tbh the 2 buttons feel good

[lilac stag]

you’re only playing DS if you hate yourself

[haughty mural]

looking forward to logs in midnight

[slender kraken]

hahaha ty

[sly shore]

Yeah I love pressing sstorm > Coup + BP macro in aoe

It's so funny how watered down it's become

[lilac stag]

Some of the prepatch logs are amazing

[sly shore]

Also I'm gonna say it

Outlaw is fun now

they fixed all the problems

[slender kraken]

fun but st lacking so much

[sly shore]

not viable still

[haughty mural]

are they hitting nexus king with enough cheapshots ?

[sly shore]

but nonetheless

fun

[lilac stag]

So not all problems fixed.

[azure thicket]

do clones attack when the player attacks?

also do they bp when you bp etc

[haughty mural]

maybe if they push the AR amp to 30%

[slender kraken]

also like assa now. cos dont have stealth and be pissed my tank for chain pulling kek

[sly shore]

as long as they are reliant on uptime in raid

they probably won't see play

[slender kraken]

yeh defo

[sly shore]

But in keys it's great

I could see myself doing an outlaw key

[lilac stag]

melee in general is reliant

[sly shore]

every now and then

[slender kraken]

the removal of gun shot window, my hands feel good

[haughty mural]

[lilac stag]

looks at fury’s 2nd highest ability: melee

[haughty mural]

2026 and people still crying for restealths

[azure thicket]

melee chasing uptime is literally 90% of the dopamine

[haughty mural]

or arms cdr

[azure thicket]

the rest is loot and cleaning raid mechanics

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-big-floppa-lil-floppa-flop-floppa-flop-gif-22883844

[sly shore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1275740946558095433/1401257753896419338/twitter_1951317397521973499.gif

[lilac stag]

Gives a reason for outlaw to complain and validate internally their existence.

[lilac stag]

Sir it is not Friday.

[azure thicket]

when the clones fall out of melee range

just wait it's coming

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/plo-koon-104-star-wars-clone-wars-clone-gif-20903288

[pallid jackal]

Any simmings comparing the different races available?

Void elf seems pretty strong and I'm inclinced to play that class cause it looks so good

[ripe helm]

anyone know why scream of forgotten sky is so good for sub and considered bad for outlaw/assassination on wowhead?

[lilac stag]

Use the race input pinned in #tc-research

They may shift a little with s1 gear

[pallid jackal]

Intuitively with my background of world 1 rankings, that trinket might be more burst heavy which sub favors

[lilac stag]

But you’re gently fine playing VE

[lilac stag]

It’s a 5 min sim which isn’t relevant. You have to high roll procs with current kill times.

[ripe helm]

ah I was just grabbing trinket prio from wowhead

on there they've got it super high for sub and low/not listed for the others

[lilac stag]

You want Lily + passive for m+
Lily/Forge + Projector for raid

If we had 4+ min kill time it’s an amazing passive trinket. Those don’t exist except dimmy

It’s also prepatch so whatever.

[pallid jackal]

Yeah I am aiming to sim now, you do that just for your character right is what you mean?

[lilac stag]

Huh?

[undone kite]

I've been AFK since BfA and now I returned and choose rogue. I love it. I am not sure however when it comes to weapons. I see that a sub rogue can weild a mace (it is not red) but somehow everywhere I read it says assa and sub only use daggers. Can someone clear it up for me?

[pallid jackal]

As in, paste the strings from https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/266712108861751296 for your character

[vestal escarp]

[haughty mural]

world rank 1 background surely knows how to sim races, right ?

[lilac stag]

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[vale pine]

there are instructions ^^

shouldn't be hard to do

[lilac stag]

Rank 1s don’t need to read. It’s all feels.

[vale pine]

i feel like undead is best

[lilac stag]

Skinned or withered?

[haughty mural]

[vale pine]

(its a joke because undead's dps talent is rly bad for long time now)

[undone kite]

So in mainhand the choice doesn't matter? I can freely pick the mace at 144 over the dagger at 118? Weapon type only matters in off hand?

[haughty mural]

my world rank 1 says undead is best fuu

we are good

[ripe helm]

you using backbonk when a mace when outside of dance?

[lilac stag]

This is going to turn into you have the wrong macro on your bar conversation, but about racial abilities.

[azure thicket]

let horrific shrill get out press racial gain uptime forehead

[haughty mural]

you need a dagger in your mainhand

[vale pine]

you need a dagger to use abilities

but outside of that yes

[lilac stag]

Have you tried using a 1h in main hand and pressing your abilities?

[vale pine]

if you don't plan to use shadowstrike, go with your mace

[azure thicket]

race to world last top 2 hundo edition

[lilac stag]

is the free weekend of wow still going on?

[undone kite]

Okay, so nothing but daggers for both main and off hand while playing sub eventhough I can technically weild other weapons. Thank yuou very much for answering.

[vale pine]

yes

the problem with offhand is known by blizz

[haughty mural]

yes daggers are your friends

[lilac stag]

It’s not a problem fuu. It’s friction

[vale pine]

and it won't change, because its not seen as a problem

[haughty mural]

[vagrant fulcrum]

Idk I think they should make big wep OH not suck for sub

[lilac stag]

Otherwise we’d take all the hunter 1h weapons

[vagrant fulcrum]

😂😂😂😂

[vale pine]

i suggested it in DF

[ripe helm]

no way man, they fixed an outlaw bug and then nerfed them 15%. Keep the bugs in

[vale pine]

as mentioned, it isn't seen as a problem

[vagrant fulcrum]

Bro don’t actually make me think about how my hunt alt can use all rogue and feral weps on 1 spec

[vale pine]

as long as there is no seen benefit of changing it

[lilac stag]

Wrong channel for outlaw tears.

[vale pine]

from the dev team

there is a very low chance to have this changed

[vagrant fulcrum]

There’s pros and cons: pros - raid drops more usable, cons: dilutes vault

[vale pine]

ofc. dragonflight is already some years ago

[haughty mural]

with my world rank 1 background i can say daggers are cooler

[vale pine]

so we don't know if the team sees the same problems as relevant

[sly shore]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-huh-huh-cat-gif-4427829456107798028

[lilac stag]

My N.A. rank 500 says TF transmog as Sub is cooler.

[azure thicket]

dual wielding has been devalued for a long time tbh, it's only value is cantrips

[vale pine]

offhand upgrade is kinda whatever

so technically seen

[pallid jackal]

Yeah I know, thanks

[haughty mural]

[vale pine]

having only daggers is more benefitial

[haughty mural]

which one

[lilac stag]

og

[haughty mural]

i dont like them tbh

[lilac stag]

it took 15 years for the second binding

Be damned if I’m not using it.

[haughty mural]

Fair point

[azure thicket]

dawnbreaker with the funny bane tmog

[lilac stag]

I win at Mount collecting. Weapons I’m fucked.

[ripe helm]

more competition for non daggers in raids though

[azure thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-dance-crazydance-gif-4746299

[lilac stag]

I think every CE I’ve gotten the mount first kill

[lilac stag]

The dev team would like you to stop seeing things as problems or problematic, but more of opportunities.

[sly shore]

I got a dagger collection

[lilac stag]

I had lfr sylvanas dagger until the last week of tier, when heroic finally dropped.

[vale pine]

right

idk if you read my theory the other day

[lilac stag]

Was that the book?

[vale pine]

ye

[lilac stag]

I looked for cliff notes

[arctic heart]

@vale pine we will use deathstalker to m+ in 12.0? or im tripping

[lilac stag]

then tried to have copilot summarize

[vagrant fulcrum]

Idk about your raidteam, for ours agi 1h are uncontested generally

[pallid jackal]

@fuu how do I sim the races? Do I put the string at the end?

[vale pine]

both are fine

like 12.0.1 i assume you mean

won't change much, deathstalker already sims better atm, but its overall less popular because of deathstalkers mark

once we reach max level

[lilac stag]

There are literally step by step instructions.

[vale pine]

we default to trickster likely

for single target too, tho deathstalker is very close

[arctic heart]

ty mate!

[vale pine]

but keep an eye on tuning and other changes

midnight is still a bit off, and i am any change can shift the power balance

[lilac stag]

just sabotage the DS sim so it’s 12% behind and no one touches it. We’l get another BP buff then.

[pallid jackal]

I think I've got it now

[vale pine]

👍

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-office-fantastic-great-gif-25279163

[harsh meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hello-chat-gm-chat-good-morning-good-morning-images-gif-15405437287989494811

[slender kraken]

2026 wa have gone. i wish tierlist would go with it also

[lilac stag]

Both have their place boomer

instead we have vibe coded 53356 addons to replace 1.

[slender kraken]

hahaha big facts

naowh Qol comes out sunday should be very good

[lilac stag]

can’t wait to see backlash if he’s charging for it

[vale pine]

you did say tier lists, the latest one just dropped

[slender kraken]

good timing

[lilac stag]

[vale pine]

(its a joke ||The tier list is sorted alphabetical, its a long standing meme||)

[lilac stag]

Would you fix S tier already?!?!

[slender kraken]

of course

[vale pine]

XD

[lilac stag]

Dave and Not Dave still wrong

Smh my head

[ripe helm]

my house sucks, any interior decorators in chat selling boosts?

[void ocean]

what

[vale pine]

i have no idea what you ask for

but we have a #housing channel

[slender kraken]

thinking asking for some one to come do his house for him

and he pay lol

[void ocean]

good lord

we need one button housing

[lilac stag]

Sub to musclebrah for stolen house plans

[short radish]

i've seen boosting services for that tbh

[keen dome]

lmao

[ripe helm]

wtf I thought I was clever

[keen dome]

Just gonna come in and put down a single chair, a box of noodles and a bed. Bam done finished

that'll be 5 gold

[void ocean]

never underestimate power of ppl who wnat to play the game but not rly

[lilac stag]

It’s called construction & decorating.

[slender kraken]

wtf

[keen dome]

that's really funny

[lilac stag]

DIY and houses are usually big contractor paydays to fix everything

[short radish]

you thought i was spreading misinformation?

[slender kraken]

i brought a house lot and never went back lol

[ripe helm]

hmm thats selling the decor items, but an interior decorator boost is funnier IMO

[short radish]

not today!

oh you want acutal interior decorator?

[lilac stag]

It’s still early

[ripe helm]

like some guy joins your party and goes "hmm yes yes, this will have to go. This is a midcentury modern, and this couch simply doesnt work"

[keen dome]

Hahaha

[void ocean]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ziap4hpYfU8

[ripe helm]

ROFL thats awesome

[keen dome]

Also how does that even work. What if you don't have the decor for it, lmao

[short radish]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

im not looking into that any further

[keen dome]

Imagine getting banned for buying a 500 wow scam

[ripe helm]

well irl the interior decorator would go buy you the couch I think? so prolly the same in wow

[lilac stag]

!mods @short radish is advertising boosting services

[short radish]

[lilac stag]

get fucked

[keen dome]

Yeah, but a lot of it is bound on account, so you'd have to give them your account. And you can't co decorate yet so, uh

lmao

[short radish]

yeah no housing import strings yet

[lilac stag]

Then making a decorator profession would be sick

[keen dome]

I hope nobody buys a £500 wow house layout

[lilac stag]

Allow them to enter and decorate

[keen dome]

You could buy a LOT of winegums for that much

[ripe helm]

for 500$ it better be a goddamn masterpiece

[keen dome]

They're adding co-decorating and co-ownership eventualyl

[ripe helm]

like your guildmates literally cry tears of joy when they enter your casa

[short radish]

soon we'll be subdividing plots of land

[keen dome]

I'll show you peak house design

[ripe helm]

oh god I hope not. My journey refuge HOA already on my butt about the bushes

[red vortex]

Xalatath feet in 3...2...1...

[lilac stag]

squatters

[keen dome]

This is peak housing

Also pretty proud of this:

But the murloc on his little cushion is the peak

[ripe helm]

my wife is into cozy games and she offered to make my wow house

but idk man what if we divorce? I dont want her taking half my wow account

better to keep our virtual lives separate

[short radish]

set up a new account and put it into a trust

and then have that account own the house

[keen dome]

I had to go look because I was so curious and lmao

Alright so this floorpan uses a CE item, off you trot mr. website scammer

[main falcon]

Hey @vale pine i can't copy paste your leveling talents. I only fet '[=talent-build-12665]' by clicking it

Or [=talent-build-12667] by clicking the trickster leveling thingy

[vale pine]

hmm, must be a typo somewhere

ill check

moment

[main falcon]

Ye

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/subtlety/dps-leveling-tips

The two on this site

[hollow spear]

Can you complete all the achievements and other activities that are needed to get these decor elements for me? Willing to pay well.

[vale pine]

what you get is the macro that should lead to the talent build, let me see

[keen dome]

No, the murloc is mine and my friend.

[slender kraken]

starting bid murloc statue 1g in game

[pallid jackal]

Mechagnome sims the best for me

in pre-patch

[hollow spear]

But then you're a mechagnome

[pallid jackal]

yeah indeed

I'd rather look a bit cooler, unless I'm going for like rank 1

[lilac stag]

@short radish are you ready for the nerfs on reset?

[hollow spear]

There has to be a limit to everything

[pallid jackal]

Nelf and human pretty close though

[pallid jackal]

Why?

[alpine wraith]

human masterrace

[hollow spear]

I am ready for more nerfs

[lilac stag]

Until season 1 hits.

[short radish]

more nerfs?

oh for fucks sake

[vale pine]

should work now

[hollow spear]

Choosing mechagnome to get more dps is going beyond the limits

[vale pine]

was just a databse problem, it referenced the wrong database

[pallid jackal]

or is it? Maybe it is the coolest to choose a mechagnome just to pump more dps

[vale pine]

so not a typo ^^

neverless was quick to fix

[lilac stag]

if you wanted to pump dps you wouldn’t play rogue

[vale pine]

haha, human did for the profiles in the sheet

[hollow spear]

Cool and mechagnome should not be in the same sentence

[pallid jackal]

rogue is always top though, maybe increase skill

somewhat haha

[lilac stag]

Turn off “always show me”

[hollow spear]

Bottom G

https://tenor.com/view/עילאי-ilay-illay-וויסמן-gif-8286408480149614186

[pallid jackal]

always show me?

[alpine wraith]

a details thing

[pallid jackal]

I rank my people like I rank the dps meter

[lilac stag]

[alpine wraith]

for when you are out of the normal screen

as we are usually

[hollow spear]

That's a you problem

[alpine wraith]

true i need to raid with worse people

[hollow spear]

Just surround yourself with shitters

[main falcon]

It does, ty

[pallid jackal]

Aha I get it, very funny

[alpine wraith]

genius think alike

[pallid jackal]

enough chatting, see you

[hollow spear]

Omw to apply to a normal progression guild

[lilac stag]

time to go race change for prepatch

[vale pine]

nice

so you can change again in midnight

best each patch, because long term might be a different race

[keen dome]

Why stop there? Change every week.

[lilac stag]

are harinar in simc yet or no?

[vale pine]

think its not

last time i checked it wasn't