subtlety

[short radish]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OwfIRdQRYQI

seen this guy?

[shrewd lantern]

"Why do Koreans Japanese and Chinese not get along?"

[short radish]

[shrewd lantern]

[short radish]

same reason europeans dont

[shrewd lantern]

well eastern europeans its funnier

you got two balkan countries don't ask

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah that's the strongest singaporean accent ever.

[tribal blade]

i just had to talk the lock in my guild off the ledge of a cliff

he's dooming about having a r1 prepatch parse and being smoked by mid parsing uhdk

[bleak night]

me when prepatch

[lilac stag]

Welcome to Anywhere In The World. More they’re all going fucking insane pushing thier racist shit.

[lilac stag]

Just put him in his place by dominating him on… sub rogue.

[tribal blade]

haha did that already

[thorny ridge]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

aiyaaaaa what accent is that lahhhhh

diuuuuu

[brisk onyx]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[kind bluff]

wtf did they do to sub

holy shit

[brisk onyx]

wdym

[prime raft]

the thought warrior needed a new spec

[fallow nimbus]

Leather warrior with daggers

[prime raft]

and now i cant lvl a new toon bc no one qs TW

looking like a DK angle

[shrewd lantern]

well could have during remix

[tulip light]

what trinkets would you run in keys right now? every guide has different ones listed 😅 for now i went with mythic sack + idol

[alpine wraith]

prism and something else

screams is fine

[tulip light]

killed dimensius today maybe i buy screams with last puzzle chips then

thanks !

[alpine wraith]

well if you already have something like crystal or antenna those are good too

[south moss]

Is there a way to fit 2 sec tecs into one shadow blades window?

[alpine wraith]

why do you want to do that

sec tech does more dmg if supercharged

so just use it on third dance

but with bl and some haste you could use it sometimes

[chrome palm]

More haste
More midnight season 1 tier set
More blizzard fixing trickster secret technique cdr
Some combination of these

[south moss]

I dno I guess I'm just trying to get some of that s3 sub feeling back into my life

Heal my broken heart

[cursive vapor]

quick q for the burst is it in aoe storm>dance>blades>sectec>storm>bp
and after the first dance immediately the second one when blades still active? is that correct?

[graceful rock]

Yeah, you probably want an evis for snd to start

[vale pine]

you want to dance back to back

[twin quartz]

anyone know how to set a target marker with a macro now?

/run SetRaidTarget("focus", 4) throws a taint error now

okay, i managed to figure it out. for anyone interested it's /tm [@mouseover] 4

[cosmic pier]

I hope Sub feels better at 90. It feels like everything that was fun or interesting in S3 was removed.

[red vortex]

UI is so back

[tulip light]

i have nothing pretty much, just came back and bought the two i mentioned. i mean it doesnt matter either way since its pre patch just wanted to know "what if" 😄

[void ocean]

how many vibe-coded addons does this require?

[red vortex]

0

actualyl

LOL

elvui, cdm

[void ocean]

are we still deprived of like cd ready warnings, but like 10 seconds before or smth like that?

can MRT cover that, i wonder

[plush roost]

@hazy breach so that whole sht apex talent minmax for 6%, how does that apply to aoe? should we be storm powder and not storm pwoder powder as well?

i was doing some demonic numbers with storm powder apex resets

[alpine wraith]

for aoe it was not that strong

but yea it would be the same storm bp storm bp

i need someone to vibecode a sct addon

[haughty mural]

how bloated is the release version ?

[tribal marsh]

So.. never really played sub before, is it normal to feel energy starved or am I doing something wrong?

[red vortex]

Its alright

Just had my old profile

Gotta have to give an instance a go

[tribal marsh]

Elvui released their update?

[red vortex]

To see how fked it all is

[red vortex]

Yes

Yesterday

[haughty mural]

and ressourcewise ?

[red vortex]

Would have to check

[tribal marsh]

cool, thanks

[red vortex]

Used like 3%cpu

[haughty mural]

ok thats fine

[tribal marsh]

while you're on addons, are there any decent profiles for playtinator or plater yet? Something akin to Quaziis old one would be cool, preferably one that doesnt constantly change colors unless its for threat..

[haughty mural]

i like jundies

[tribal marsh]

which one is that for?

[red vortex]

Im still searching good plater

Might just download naowh

[tribal marsh]

hmm this jundies seem to have different colors for caster with important cast, I thought that functionality wasnt possible anymore

[haughty mural]

iirc for both

but not sure

i just tried platynator in prepatch

because i was thinking to go away from the ressource hog that plater is

[lilac stag]

You can color group types.
Level 92: Boss
Level 91 & Elite: Lieutenant
Level 90 & Elite: Melee Mob
Level 90 & Elite & Has is Flagged as a "Paladin": Caster Mob

[tribal marsh]

Yeah that much I know, but this profile specifically states "Caster with important cast", that has to be a remnant from before pre patch that they forgot to remove, no?

[lilac stag]

The anator addons are great.

https://tenor.com/view/doofenshmirtz-doofenshmirtz-dance-doof-phineas-and-ferb-gif-7642506651449352767

[alpine wraith]

nah just blizz uses a class system for casters

so you can color it if they hav a cast

and if you know the mob has a dangerous one use a diff color too

[tribal marsh]

It doesnt say caster, it says "caster WITH IMPORTANT CAST"

[lilac stag]

They can call it whatever they want in the profile. That’s the filtering.

[alpine wraith]

yea if john is dangerous you color him red

but john and pedro both can be casters

but only john is red

[tribal marsh]

Like, this is in the desctription of the mod, they even lost different colors for caster with important cast, and secondary caster with important cast. THat is 100% impossible right now, isnt it?

okay

[alpine wraith]

yea you can only check class of the mob now

[tribal marsh]

so its always the elites that cast the strongest spells then?

[lilac stag]

You can’t color class individual mobs

[tribal marsh]

right, so the desctription is lying

[alpine wraith]

you can only color the johns of the world

[alpine wraith]

maybe the desc was from before

[tribal marsh]

yeah thats what I was trying to confirm

[sacred yarrow]

are all those tabs?!

[alpine wraith]

dont worry some of us are really tabby

[tribal marsh]

Oh these are rooky numbers my friend

[lilac stag]

Google is your friend. https://www.wowhead.com/news/color-coding-enemy-nameplates-is-back-on-the-midnight-beta-379467

[tribal marsh]

my phone lists the number of tabs as ";)" instead of a number

[sacred yarrow]

[lilac stag]

I also wouldn’t worry until we actually get to midnight. Fuck who knows what changes we get between now and then with ui restrictions.

[tribal marsh]

That post does not really help in this regard though. I know color coding is back, but this specific profile claims to color different casters in different colors based on importance of cast, thats what I thought was impossible, and still seem to be, so probably old description they didnt edit out.

[lilac stag]

again. what gets clamped down on matters.

[tribal marsh]

I wouldnt consider interuptable cast as the same as important cast though

[haughty mural]

i dont get it fren

but im also slow af this morning

[sacred yarrow]

made by plusmouse, chattynator, platynator, baganator

[haughty mural]

(its almost lunch time wtf)

[tribal marsh]

unless elites always have the important casts, I wouldnt know

[lilac stag]

The addon dev is a Phineas & Ferb Fan. The evil Dr called all of his inventions “anators”

[haughty mural]

oooohhh

[lilac stag]

So his addons are anators

[haughty mural]

I see

what 2h only sleep does to a man

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/perry-the-platypus-gif-27527731

[vestal escarp]

I keep looking for trackers of buffs that we don't track anymore on my class wa that we cant have anymore for reasons i dont understand

I dont wanna stretch it but i feel like i just got a lobotomy

[lilac stag]

Is that with everything enabled?

[void hound]

let go old man, the future is now

you will press 2 buttons, you will auto attack, and you will have fun

[red vortex]

lets see i have

• auctionator
• dbm
• bagbrother
• autoflood
• messagequeue
• bugsack/buggrabber
• pawn
• RCLC
• warpdeplete
• craftscan
• craftsim
• elvui
• BCM
• BigWigs
• Details
• MDT
• R.IO

[void hound]

delete pawn, its not 2008 anymore

[red vortex]

yea idk why i have pawn

LOL

have not used that in years

but still have it

[vestal escarp]

Ok unc

It's obviously just a matter of time

But still

Wow is not my job, so it's normal that users feel weirded out if their comfort zone hobby is suddenly out of it

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-test-dukey-say-uncle-uncle-give-up-gif-15339691340992925399

[olive canyon]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[haughty mural]

And that’s with elvui ?

did they actually fix their shit

[red vortex]

this screenshto is with all hte addons listed active

including elv

[haughty mural]

Not bad

[chrome palm]

elvui seems pretty light rn

and you dont need to use several misc addons

[chrome palm]

too bad it looks like windows 8's start menu

[red vortex]

fps is around 60

could prob go higher i think

[haughty mural]

That’s not that much - but I don’t know what is normal for your setup

[lilac stag]

don’t elv have a cdm in it?

[chrome palm]

just a skinning

[haughty mural]

Was about to say

[chrome palm]

its not a separate module

[thorny ridge]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[odd knoll]

does BCM tracks supercharged combo points?

[vestal escarp]

It should, blizz resources track em by default

[red vortex]

we chilling

[lilac stag]

Living next to the server cluster.

[haughty mural]

Aye looks good

[lilac stag]

I get that with the Chicago servers.

[haughty mural]

Maybe I’ll try it out for the first time since Antorus

[lilac stag]

I still wouldn’t trust Elv nameplates

[red vortex]

rocking blizz nameplates for now

[lilac stag]

but I have trust issues

[red vortex]

waiting for good plater

[lilac stag]

Yeah that’s why I asked if you had everything turned on

so you don’t.

What else is disabled?

[red vortex]

bags and nameplates are disabled

and some databars like rep and stuff

[spiral sierra]

dbm and bigwigs? i guess pick one you like visually better at this point :D?

or even try the default one now

[red vortex]

i just disabled dbm

[spiral sierra]

fair

i prefer DBM for my current UI, but i flip flop depending on UI

[tender dust]

Hi stealthi is it possible you can like upload this one to me? i really like your sensei settings. ( dont know if possible)

@vale pine I was scrolling trough pictures to see of UI what is your border settings on your sensei actually? looks also kinda clean

[haughty mural]

I also would turn off their name plates and stay with platynator or plater

[terse hinge]

how much AoE dps is lost if you refuse to use vanish offensively for pve?

on Beta, i am barely beating the 1 button rotation in AoE. I am beating it, but only by roughly 1%

[lilac stag]

vanish isn’t exactly a big offensive cd

you can post logs if you want

[terse hinge]

does logging even work on beta?

[vale osprey]

Unironically is there even really a huge loss for 1-button as sub aoe? Like if you're pressing dance and blades, does it literally not just sectec if up, SS, BP, SS, BP

I've never tried the one-button thing so idk how they function with these new simplified specs

[terse hinge]

it says theres about a 16% dps loss using the 1 button vs manual if perfect

but i got about a 1% difference cuz i suckl

[sullen glacier]

the higher gcd on the 1button doesnt matter as much if you're energy starved and need to wait to press buttons anyway

[lilac stag]

The higher gcd 100% matters in dance

[sullen glacier]

yes, it does in the cooldowns

[lilac stag]

and guess where your damage is?

[terse hinge]

at least thats what wowhead says

of course this is technically a guide for prepatch, not beta

[sullen glacier]

how is the dps loss with cds less than without

[terse hinge]

with cds is if u manually press cds

[sullen glacier]

i see

[terse hinge]

1 button doesnt use blades

only dance

so i am manually pressing blades when the 1 button uses dance

[lilac stag]

again log if you can. Speculating on what you’re fucking up typically isn’t useful.

[vale osprey]

vibe coded addons, vibe fixing rotation

[lilac stag]

Spec is “2 buttons”

people still going to manage to fuck it up

[terse hinge]

kk. logging 1 attempt manual vs 1 button rotation

apparently it works on beta

[vale osprey]

There's always something 😅 Although it does seem odd considering you're literally pressing SS BP for 80% of a key

[narrow shadow]

Hey guys, is it worth using Shuriken/BP in ST once just to trigger Danse?

Or just spam Shadowstrike/Evis

And Sectech ofc

[lilac stag]

#subtlety-faq

[vale osprey]

From the FAQ Scath linked to

[lilac stag]

because people will still play around cds and dance wrong, and the spec will still punish you for that. Unlike assa where you can spam envenom and be fine.

[vale osprey]

I guess, is there a significant way to play around it wrong at this point? I guess if you're ripping dance on CD and missing a sectec every now and then or not having appropriate 1 charge + cd for blades window

Idk, I've been absolutely vibing sub in prepatch, ik some people aren't keen on the simplification but as myth raiding dad gamer this is good for me 🙃

[lilac stag]

the spec is a vibe. It removed almost all of the superfluous confusion that was involved with krangled cd timings.

doesn’t mean everyone will figure it out. Dual resource systems are a struggle for many people.

[terse hinge]

gross. okay. so seperate combats vs a dummy counts as 1 combat on a log so i have to make 2 logs to compare

[haughty mural]

how's arms looking rn scath ?

wasnt able to keep up

[lilac stag]

it’s fine.

Probably one of the more comflex specs

Not as fun as sv or sub for me

[haughty mural]

sv is a vibe right now

sub is also... good ig

i still want to try out arms

[lilac stag]

fury being Thor is fun in keys

[haughty mural]

and i dislkike ww changes - so thats gonezo for me

[haughty mural]

need to try that aswell, true

but arms has a greater prio for me

[red vortex]

ww done dirty?

[haughty mural]

its okayish - they did also good things (like getting rid of clones)

but i dont like a couple of things

[red vortex]

EWF?

[haughty mural]

ya

if you mean SEF ^^

[red vortex]

uh ye

that

[haughty mural]

yes thats gone

[terse hinge]

ffs logging on beta is a nightmare. it counts every other player around me on my log, so combat starts the moment i start logging ot the moment i end, so my 60 second test, waslike a 85 second log, and warcraft logs decided the entire 85 seconds was the combat duration.

but from trying this over and over, i have managed to perform consistently better manually, my last test was significantly above 1 button. I think i just struggle to react fast enough to when my combo points regenerate themselves instantly after a finisher

[hollow spear]

Can't you track sht stacks? Haven't set up my ui yet

[lilac stag]

You can

Cdm dos by default

[hollow spear]

If you can, you should be able to anticipate refunds

[terse hinge]

does CDM track combo points?

[lilac stag]

no

PRD does

Or install Sensei

[terse hinge]

okay so i would need an addon to now have to stare at my nameplate to see combo points

[lilac stag]

If you’ve never played sub rogue before temper expectations on how amazing you may or not be after 15 minutes of testing.

Content creators have painted it as 111112 spec

for any long time rogue it’s def less brain power involved

[terse hinge]

i tried last week for well over an hour. and today for roughly an hour. so i would say im 2 hours into testing it for the first time ever. i really only managed to start getting it down once i macrod coup de grace with black powder and blades and dance with secret technique

[lilac stag]

well we’ve had people spend days on the previous version of the spec (and crash out)

[hazy breach]

Theres also two large purple indicators in the middle of your screen when you are getting a refund

[hazy breach]

Wasn't seeing much gain in aoe, mostly neutral but slightly more bursty ofc

[tribal blade]

well it's good to hear sub isn't exactly completely brain dead now

[terse hinge]

It aint BM hunter thats for sure

[tribal blade]

i think for vet sub rogues it's hard to put things in perspective when sub was a hard af spec

[tribal blade]

you would have had a lot of fun learning old sub

and by fun i mean even more headache

[harsh meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-seal-seal-dance-seal-dancing-seal-seals-gif-17832446272461573261

[terse hinge]

the more i play it, the more easier it feels. the hardest part is just because it lights up, doesnt mean press it. im used to Enh and other shit thats more proc based. so when i see black powder light up, i really wanna press it. and normally. during refunds, you can. but sometimes i press it a finisher with only like 2 combo points, and other times i waste a refund.

maybe my UI is shitty for rogue in general. my nameplate is quite far away from my bar and it makes it harder to track combo points

[chrome palm]

Don’t track your combo points on nameplates

Just put them with everything else

[tribal blade]

yeah it's really hard to play rogue if your CPs are on your nameplates

you can move your player frame to be down next to your character

also you can turn on personal resources display

ALSO you can install an addon

simplest solution is the first 2

[terse hinge]

personal resource display. forgot about htat

i normalyl hate it so i always disable it

[tribal blade]

it's pretty bad

i would only use it temporarily until you get something better

[terse hinge]

it just always feels in the way

[tribal blade]

the issue is there's delay with the CP and energy getting filled

[haughty mural]

i love eating Dal

[tribal blade]

it's not such an issue with sub, but when i was testing outlaw it was unacceptably bad

[harsh meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-seal-seal-dance-seal-dancing-seal-seals-gif-17832446272461573261

[terse hinge]

theres a few moments where im sitting at full CP and waiting on energy to hit a finisher. not often

and mostly due to my own fuck ups the few gcds prior

[chrome palm]

I would recommend SenseiClassResourceBar

[haughty mural]

i'd recommend getting something like Sensei's Resource addon

[chrome palm]

For a temporary way to track resources

[short radish]

if you have 7cp, sdance+sectech + darkest night up what takes priority?

do you evis (DN) -> dance -> ss -> sectech
or do you
dance -> sectech -> ss -> evis (dn)
or do you
dance -> evis (dn) -> ss -> sectech

[tribal blade]

this is my sensei addon bars

[vale pine]

i don't use sensai, but i posted my import strings in #wow-general, let me quick search

#wow-general message

[haughty mural]

Red ?

[tender dust]

ty

[terse hinge]

I am using trickster personally. I find it more fun. dont have to think about when i can and cant easily target swpa

[tribal blade]

hell yeah

oh i have night mode red filter on

dunno if that affects screenshots

because i'm going to sleep soon

[haughty mural]

nah i think its the standard

[terse hinge]

what i really would love is if the number of CP i have is just written on my finishers

that or my finishers lit up like procs do the moment i have 6 points

either or

[lilac stag]

What’s wrong with red?

[haughty mural]

nothing really - i just havent found my ui

[hazy breach]

2nd option

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/where-the-hell-am-i-where-am-i-lost-in-a-field-confused-gif-11092516

[short radish]

thanks

[hazy breach]

Delaying sectech not great

[short radish]

only time to hold is if sblades coming up?

[hazy breach]

Yes

Technically if you know you won't lose a cast you can send sectech and then hold blades for your next sectech

[short radish]

lose a cast of sblade?

or sectech

[hazy breach]

Yes

Blades

[short radish]

[lilac stag]

wait this involves thinking. We can’t have that here.

[short radish]

dont have my kill timer anymore

[lilac stag]

Just press one of our two buttons. I’m sure it’ll work out.

[short radish]

maybe it's the boomer in me, or maybe its because of reclear

but i'm hating the simplification a lot less than i initally did

im kinda just vibing auto pilot

and boss dies

[lilac stag]

you’re realizing not much changed except the removal of confusion.

[short radish]

well it's teh same shit as before

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-michael-scott-dunder-mifflin-the-office-welcome-aboard-gif-27005393

[short radish]

just less

[lilac stag]

I think there’s still room for improvement, but it similar things we’ve been asking for before the prune (blight and fix goremaws or replace it)

[haughty mural]

never replaced

its just there to look beautiful

[lilac stag]

I’d be sad if they just removed

Keep fighting uwu

[haughty mural]

every single time i open my talents, i rejoice witnessing the beauty

[short radish]

tbh the only thing left is making sectech only castable during sdance

and we're bing chilling

[lilac stag]

I like the different timings. Makes you pay attention to cd usage

I’m probably in minority on that one

Have blades reduce Sectech during blades so you can fit two in and we chilling.

[tidal blade]

Anyone know of an addon for a visual display for dance? I had a weak aura that showed a draining power bar around my character I was very fond of this and of course now it’s gone

[short radish]

yeah it is a minor skill expression

[lilac stag]

you can do that in ArcUI

Blue is dance, purple is blades

[tidal blade]

Might have to switch. My aura was a BIG purple power bar to the left and right of my character. Might be a little niche

I’ll give that a shot though I appreciate it

[lilac stag]

So I don’t think you’ll be able to bar each charge

But you can get time in dance as a bar

assuming I’m understanding you correctly

[red vortex]

this is legit just a WA pack

LOL

[lilac stag]

it’s getting there

I have to mess with it some more. My one gripe is not being able to center stuff with arc so I have to still mess around with the groups.

[red vortex]

looks pretty solid

is ArcUI a full ui addon?

[lilac stag]

It’s just the cdm

Sensei is the CPs, health and energy

[red vortex]

ye the dance bars are arcui

[lilac stag]

Yes

[red vortex]

cool

[lilac stag]

“Buff Bar”

[red vortex]

i'll just download that

[lilac stag]

I think is what they fall under

[red vortex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1463107305884221440/kf1yhv3j379f1.gif

[tribal blade]

i was just hitting the boss dummy and went to go hit the aoe dummies

press strike

huh why is mark not on the target

oh

it's still on the boss

wow

amazing

very cool

[chrome palm]

Are you ready for

[haughty mural]

💯

[chrome palm]

Another 2 years of that prophet

[tribal blade]

brother i might lose my mind

pray to allah trickster is ahead

or at least competitive

[alpine wraith]

it is very annoying

they just made that change in spite

[tribal blade]

HOW ARE WE STILL DEALING WITH DS ALL THESE YEARS LATER /cry

[chrome palm]

Idk it’s bizarre, but like tea is still in the game and literally no one wants it

Their solution is “remove mastery from tea@

You can’t expect anything

[alpine wraith]

i mean they also were going to remove dps from trace and subterfuge

[lilac stag]

I think outlaw wants needs it

[alpine wraith]

and by that i mean removing it from sub

[chrome palm]

I’d be happy with more bug fixes

[alpine wraith]

because assa and outlaw still get value

[chrome palm]

Yeah now you just have an unusable part of the class tree

https://tenor.com/view/cat-burrito-meme-wrap-tail-gif-2308438475957214931

Without a trace rn:

[lilac stag]

We got our allotted 15 minutes of new expansion dev time. Deal with whatever is there unc.

[chrome palm]

I wouldn’t be surprised if you see more reworks than usual in the .5

[lilac stag]

Did they get more AI servers?

[dry plank]

i had problem with red in amirdrassil so moved to white but now made it purple instead 🙂

[chrome palm]

Obviously people will point out that things get finalized and what not but this level of change across the board for every spec is unprecedented

[lilac stag]

Purple was oof in mana forge

[crystal ether]

Hello, new to the channel—been a longtime sin rogue, but I switched over to Sub with the pre-patch and I’m having a blast so far.

[dry plank]

light purple not

[lilac stag]

For you maybe.

[vestal escarp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1376329754042564618/caption-1.gif

[lilac stag]

Me …

https://tenor.com/view/mouxy-cotorep-aveugle-debile-esquiver-gif-20546128

[dry plank]

true it is like flavour thing

[lilac stag]

It’s a lack of depth perception thing

All the purple just started blending into a poison bomb level of shit on the ground

[tribal blade]

tea is another abomination true

[hollow spear]

I couldn't see my ui through the tears of messing up another ghost on nexus King

[chrome palm]

Would it be so hard to make it a 10% energy gen instead 🙄

One less thing for the 70 hr work week gamer dads to track

[hollow spear]

Idk, I dislike any button that you can just macro into stuff

Once you're at that point, just delete the button

[chrome palm]

Not necessarily

It could still have a meaningful impact

[lilac stag]

My WA changing screen contrast 9 times a fight. Rip accessibility WAs

[chrome palm]

For instance, if you still had symbols of death but it auto-procced off of shadow dance, it would still have a huge impact on the spec

[hollow spear]

Maybe I should be more precise and say: any button that purely lives inside of macros and doesn't really get pressed outside of them

[chrome palm]

because having to track the CD itself totally changes how the spec plays

[hollow spear]

Yeah, but isn't that exactly the kind of stuff they wanted to kill

Not saying that's a good idea

[chrome palm]

Yeah, its exactly what they wanted to get rid of

as much tracking as possible

[hollow spear]

And symbols was a button you were supposed to not macro

Didn't stop people from doing it ofc

[chrome palm]

Right, but on the surface, you basically "always used them together" even if that wasnt really true

[hollow spear]

Yeah, that's the thing

[chrome palm]

I still think it was a mistake to just give all of symbols affects to dance

[haughty mural]

never understood peoples urgent need to macro everything

[chrome palm]

because now like push said, dance has like 8 different modifiers on it or something

[hollow spear]

The minmaxs knew, but the general population just pressed them together I think

[chrome palm]

dance is the "do everything" button

[hollow spear]

Yeah, pretty much achieves their goals

[chrome palm]

it gives you energy, procs shadowcraft, gives premeditation, allows stealth abilities, gives you damage amp, gives you dr and speed, gives you supercharger

i think having another button like symbols was nice to separate these things but idk

maybe secret technique should have some of these things on it

[hollow spear]

They could give some of it to blades, but that would probably make us peak higher, which they also don't seem to like too much

[swift tinsel]

Or give more interesting effects to our damaging abilities themselves

[chrome palm]

part of the problem is youre kinda limited in scope with sub, since energy almost a non factor

like you couldnt really do blade rush on sub because the energy doesnt matter

[hollow spear]

I don't know, maybe I see things wrong. I feel like moving existing things into a different existing button doesn't do much.

[tribal blade]

yeah sub is good on energy for the entire midnight expac

unless they nerf it

[chrome palm]

i think if they reduce your auto attack SHT generation, then secret technique also becomes a bit of a "generate sht" button, since it should (with bug fixes) generate 4x SHT, which kinda sets you up for dance

[hollow spear]

Flagellation was a 100% bad button for me, symbols actually made for some skill expression. Unfortunately the kind of skill expression they wanted to get rid of.

[chrome palm]

i think it would be cool to have a reverse touch of the magi like button to close out dance with, idk

just some other finisher maybe

[tribal blade]

yeah stealthi had the same idea

sub would work well with that

[chrome palm]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-just-typing-shit-bro-just-typing-shit-gif-18336060238854257551

[swift tinsel]

Blows up for clone damage done during dance

[plush roost]

Youre in luck instead of dealing with DS you can instead strike on 7cp for an apex proc as trickster

W

[tribal blade]

imma about to cry

[chrome palm]

it would be cool if you could like replay a small amount of dance or something, just give you something to do

[hollow spear]

If they added a button it would have to be something that is a) used frequently and b) has noticeable impact. Otherwise it'd be pointless in my eyes.

[plush roost]

Youd think so but it actually allows for some decision making

And reaction to your sht stacks

Since you only wanna do it if you have 5 sht stacks

[tribal blade]

true, not like there's a huge amount of decision making going on atm

[hollow spear]

Pressing another button in your formulaic cooldown window just isn't it for me.

[chrome palm]

maybe its an unpopular opinion but i really like how assa in df season 3 had a super specific sequence for deathmark

[tribal blade]

btw we had a dal in here earlier talking and i thought for a second it was dalbear

[chrome palm]

where you pressed like 4 different cds at specific times

[tribal blade]

i hsould have asked

[plush roost]

Like dance sequences can be strike sectec strike evis strike evis evis or sec tec strike evis strike evis strike evis. Or if your haste is bad it can be sec tec strike evis strike evis evis. Variety in my dance windows wower

Blessing interaction in disguise i swear

[hollow spear]

Not sure how unpopular it is here, but the casual player probably hates it. And blizzard came out and said they didn't like skills that were only part of one specific sequence (during cooldowns).

Which is probably why flag and symbols died.

[chrome palm]

idk, isnt it satisfying when you do something the right way?

that was always the appeal of sub for me, doing your burst window "correctly"

[plush roost]

Look at the damage the apex talent does when u dont spend the refund its insane btw

[lilac stag]

General populous. Top of details is satisfying.

[plush roost]

Wish there was a way to track how many apex procs you actually use, "hits" is always so misleading

[hollow spear]

I guess sub was kind of the epitome of "specs they didn't like"

[chrome palm]

i think thats basically it

when i read what kind of design they wanted to move away from, i thought "isnt this just what sub is?"

[hollow spear]

It just took new players to understand how the spec played out

Stuff didn't feel intuitive

I remember feeling the same when I came back at the beginning of tww

[chrome palm]

maybe im weird but i dont think playing an mmo class is ever going to be particularly intuitive

[hollow spear]

After it clicked you wondered why it was so hard to get into it, then it felt natural to you

[chrome palm]

the spec plays different with haste

its not like you can intuit how much haste you need

[hollow spear]

I dunno, ret paladin or bm hunter are quite intuitive

You just play whack a mole

Players know how to play that game

[lilac stag]

and they’re extremely popular

[chrome palm]

theyre extremely popular in classic wow too

[lilac stag]

I always enjoy watching BM try to sort out SV

[hollow spear]

And on top of (probably) being the least intuitive spec, sub also punished you extremely hard for messing stuff up

[chrome palm]

survival was also piss easy and no one touched it

[lilac stag]

SV isn’t crazy difficult, but it does require some thought

[lilac stag]

They did when a WA made it 2 buttons and played it for them

all the wildfire bombs

[chrome palm]

i last played it in season 1 it was fun

then they removed the aoe dot and it was no longer fun lol

[hollow spear]

Idk, once a spec is "unpopular" it takes ages to get it back to good numbers. At least if the reason for it's unpopularity isn't that its dps just sucks.

[lilac stag]

same reason I think fury gets the nod. It’s generally less thinking and more tanky than arms

[harsh meadow]

survival is the boomkin of melee

[lilac stag]

nah. Boomkin is popular.

[tribal blade]

my favorite boomy trope is watching them press incarn and then forget mechanics exist

[hollow spear]

I wonder if outlaw might actually be more popular as a prog spec. This time for real.

[chrome palm]

i dont really think there are unpopular ranged specs

[harsh meadow]

I hate outlaw. disgusting spec

[chrome palm]

in a general sense

aug ig

[hollow spear]

Some ranged specs are only really popular if they're meta

[chrome palm]

but thats almost not even a dps

[lilac stag]

If it’s numbers are decent, it should be more than fine in spite of what #outlaw says

[hollow spear]

I don't dare to go in there

[lilac stag]

they ran off someone new to the server this morning

Great group of lads

[hollow spear]

Doomium

[haughty mural]

they even have a dmg amp now, dont they ?

outlaw i mean

[hollow spear]

They have everything

[lilac stag]

@vale pine can you make this the outlaw role?

https://tenor.com/view/paarth-dr-doom-parth-paarth-shekhar-parth-shekhar-gif-10220036989134157695

[lilac stag]

Except unlimited energy.

[haughty mural]

i would totally test outlaw if i had a main hand for it

[lilac stag]

Just get one on reclear

but you’d have to log off Hunter

[haughty mural]

imagine team does a reclear

[lilac stag]

Or craft one

[hollow spear]

I didn't even get CE last tier

[chrome palm]

i just hope they give outlaw some form of niche or something idk

[lilac stag]

It’s still close to 70 apm on beta afaik

[chrome palm]

because all that outlaw does is get turbo-mogged by sub in raid every tier

[hollow spear]

Sat on the kill because I was on vaca during prog and was on a bus business trip during the one and only reclear

[lilac stag]

Isn’t their niche cleave & adhd?

[chrome palm]

unfortunately cleave is something that literally everyone does xd

[hollow spear]

They took away the adhd

[chrome palm]

and other specs are just better at cleaving

[hollow spear]

The players still have it

[chrome palm]

like mage just cleaves for free

[lilac stag]

Not being useful on dmg amp was a general tuning issue.

[hollow spear]

But the spec doesn't support it

[chrome palm]

literally like

any ranged spec

cleaves for free so easily

and they dont need to be in melee with each other

[lilac stag]

Fury got played because tuning was great and arms was bin

[hollow spear]

Well, it was an issue of dmg amps existing in the first place haha

[chrome palm]

issue for outlaw is that sub still does acceptable aoe

or that it uses swords

[hollow spear]

Makes me remember Rik reverb. No fight every triggered me harder when looking at our ranged players.

[lilac stag]

Outlaws issue was uptime and tuning

[chrome palm]

you had plenty of fights like undermine where uptime was not really an issue and outlaw was tuned ok

at least at the beginning

[lilac stag]

And most rogues who prog aren’t dumb enough to do a 1h over a dagger

[chrome palm]

i think it wasnt well tuned later on tho

[fallow nimbus]

Leather arms with 2 swords has no chance vs leather fury with daggers

[haughty mural]

[lilac stag]

if you lived through legion artifacts that scared you from 1h early on for life

[vale pine]

haha, would be funny

[hollow spear]

How flat is outlaw's profile in midnight?

And no, I will not ask in outlaw

[haughty mural]

[tender dust]

Can anyone explain to me i'm extremly new to sub and i don't really get why you would want to dance on low CP

[lilac stag]

@hollow plinth

[haughty mural]

premed

[chrome palm]

the key phrase is "or finishing combo points (6-7)

[hollow spear]

Either low or (almost) max, not in between

[tender dust]

Lets say i use dance on my 4th combo point. then i would need to shadowstrike. and it would be loss because i would generate only 3 CP?

[chrome palm]

yeah its inefficient

because you could use premed to generate 7 from 0

[tender dust]

Yeah that makes sense

[hollow spear]

For some reason I always went into dance at max last season

Not sure if that was even good

My brain just felt good when I did it

[haughty mural]

[tender dust]

And do you also hold your dance when shadowblades is coming so you have 2x dance inside of that window?

[hollow spear]

Yes

[tender dust]

and your first finisher inside a dance should always be sectech?

[tender dust]

Ah did not see that yet

[placid elk]

feelcrafting comes after theorycrafting

not before

[tender dust]

And What do i do when sectech is like 5 seconds of cooldown. and 1 charge of dance is up

do i just send the dance

and sectech later in the dance

[swift tinsel]

you wnt to supercharge it with dance

so it needs to be the first or second finisher

[harsh meadow]

so we are potentially waiting quite a bit

[tender dust]

ah makes sense

[harsh meadow]

ugh

I mean I guess that’s fine

[haughty mural]

or just slam it in second dance

[harsh meadow]

well we get what 2 dances inside blades but only one sectech

[swift tinsel]

yeppers

[haughty mural]

yes

[swift tinsel]

with enough haste pretty sure you can fit 2 sectechs but I think you can only ever supercharge one

[harsh meadow]

and sectech is haste only by externals?

hasted *

[swift tinsel]

externals and haste from gear

[chrome palm]

no, you just need secret technique to always conume a supercharger when you cast it

so if you have darkest night you would use eviscerate first

but you wouldnt delay shadow dance

[tender dust]

Yeah to get rid of DN and then on the second supercharger you would use sectech

[harsh meadow]

So we actually have some reasoning to ask for PI

[tender dust]

right?

[chrome palm]

yeah

[placid elk]

im sure some other class benefits more

[chrome palm]

theres always a reason to ask for pi my friend 🐀

[harsh meadow]

that doesn’t fit my narrative Mr Weasel

[tribal marsh]

So am I doing something wrong if I feel energy starved? Havent played sub before before really

[placid elk]

my narrative is getting closer to rerolling.
my char worked hard, got a house. now they chill

[tribal marsh]

specifically trickster

[swift tinsel]

we're missing a fair bit of resource generation by not having apex yet

[tribal marsh]

ah, excellent, thats the answer I was hoping for

[placid elk]

classic blizzard tuning classes to end game stuff always

[swift tinsel]

and sub will naturally feel more energy-deprived outside of dance

[chrome palm]

you dont really have resources outside of dance anyways

[tribal marsh]

Is there a reason why I wanna click shadowdance on low combo points that Im missing?

[swift tinsel]

premeditation

gives a full combo point bar

[tribal marsh]

just following wowhead instructions

[placid elk]

with rework we get at best a grilled chese sandwich on left.

[harsh meadow]

This is gold lmao

[swift tinsel]

so you either want to dance on low cp for premed, or full cp to finish right away then your next strike gives full cp from premed

[chrome palm]

yeah im looking at it remembering our fallen soliders

[tender dust]

And when would be a good time to use shuriken storm on ST?

[swift tinsel]

you don't

storm is for aoe

we don't use it for danse or anything

[tribal marsh]

gonan have to read premed, brb

[tender dust]

I litteraly asked the same thing 5 minutes 😄

[tribal marsh]

haha

[harsh meadow]

ss on 2 targets is kind of cursed but hey I won’t complain

[swift tinsel]

it does good dam now

so its not as meme as tww

[harsh meadow]

BP seems to be so strong

[swift tinsel]

it is lol

[tender dust]

So i can just ignore silent storm?

[swift tinsel]

ye

[harsh meadow]

and I think nimble hits hard still so we can weave that in

not sure what the sins say

[tribal marsh]

Also, do we ever shuriken storm + eviscerate spam on prio mobs instead of black powder?

[chrome palm]

its just coup

[harsh meadow]

sorry yeah coup

[chrome palm]

yeah its higher priority of course

or youll drop flawless form

and it just does lots of damage in its cap

[harsh meadow]

Just hitting dummies on beta it definitely trucks

[chrome palm]

unfortunately shadow clone coup does not cleave with nimble 🙂 🔫

[tribal marsh]

so if I have full CP and hsecret teqnique up I might aswell just shadowdance + ST right away instead?

[harsh meadow]

yeah the clone bugs list is exhaustive

[chrome palm]

unless you have darkest night, where youd evis instead and then secret technique as your next finisher

[swift tinsel]

^^

[harsh meadow]

Or we just play trickster

all my homies hate DS

[tribal marsh]

Im trickster, darkest night is the other one right?

[chrome palm]

idek if we use coup before secret at 4 eb

darkest night is d*athstalker yes

trickster is cursed on prepatch though

you have to send single target shadowstrikes to proc fazed

[swift tinsel]

ye I'm not sure about coup vs sectech first either atm

have not done any simming in a long while

[harsh meadow]

as for the funnel question yes I would assume for a prio target you SS into Evis

Well actually I’m not sure

[chrome palm]

SS could be like 5 different sub abilities

[harsh meadow]

lol my fault

Storm

[warm marlin]

supposedly its equal either way

you can rip the sectec natty and just not apply the mark, though that doesnt make sense to me personally

[chrome palm]

of course it would be equal

why would anything make sense for deathstalker

[harsh meadow]

dog ass hero spec man

[chrome palm]

generally you want to use black powder in aoe unless the add damage just doesnt matter at all

"priority" damage for sub is kinda weird though

[harsh meadow]

gotcha. I need to wrap my head around BP being good

very good even

[chrome palm]

in prepatch, as trickster, you want to strike after hitting secret technique if you still have premed up, because its the only way to consistently apply fazed

[swift tinsel]

love random target gamba bug

[chrome palm]

because we dont take the talent that makes secret technique apply fazed (on prepatch), and because unseen blade hits a random enemy when you proc it with storm

however on d*athstalker, its also a little weird. its better for aoe to proc darkest night, then you shadowstrike once to re-apply the mark to the prioriy target, and then just ignore darkest night until it times out (using black powder)

for priority damage though, you can still consume darkest night, however you could also use shadowstrike to consume premed, because it does more st, procs danse macabre, and because of premed it isnt less combo points than storm

[harsh meadow]

💀

[chrome palm]

you reapply the mark to benefit from singular focus

when youre choosing to not consume darkest night

its worth knowing that if you strike to apply the mark while darkest night is up, and then consume darkest night on a different target, it will not move the mark to the new target

[vestal escarp]

?

You dont move the mark even with DN?

[chrome palm]

not if you apply it with shadowstrike before consuming it

[haughty mural]

isnt it awesome ?

[plush roost]

Its surprisingly fun, also it has a 20% amp talent on AR as an option so you can make your profile a bit more bursty.

Goes crazy in lust

Its like a mix of crackshot gameplay with old school outlaw

[lilac stag]

How much haste do you have?

[lilac stag]

Don’t let that channel see this.

No one allowed to have fun in wow. Especially outlaw.

[plush roost]

Adhd crackshot andies will just have to adjust to being off their ritalin for 60 seconds a piece

It be what it be

Or they can do what the chinese rogue is doing and play extended AR no bte talents full dispatch gaming

[karmic heron]

I think that wow should support multiple different play styles and skill ceilings/floors. Especially for classes with 3 specs, I don’t see an issue with one being very difficult and not played a lot. That is supporting a niche that some people want and from my perspective that niche might be gone unless this tech goes crazy ig or they change something.

[hazy breach]

Im afraid theres like a 1% chance this stays btw, theyll nuke it so you can only proc apex if you actually generate combo points

Which will make pooling in general feel really bad and weird

Because thats the only way to "fix" this without redesigning the combo points economy, which requires a bunch of work

[plush roost]

How will they fix it if they dont pay attention to rogue?

[keen dome]

Sure, and I do hope we see some more depth added to Sub. But returning to a baseline and building it back up is vastly better (esp if it makes it more approachable) than retaining it as a 'complexity for complexities sake' spec.

Also rogue tank spec announcement on the 29th, I'm betting 1 gold.

[haughty mural]

i love your takes

and your transmog

[chrome palm]

please not rogue tank spec lolol

[keen dome]

Rogue tank spec

[chrome palm]

rogue tank spec would mean bench time

for dps rogue

the ww treatment

[keen dome]

What if it's shit

[karmic heron]

Once again, I didn’t play much sub before midnight so I can’t really disagree with that take, so if it was just complexity for complexity’s sake then I can see that argument.

I’m coming at this thinking about stuff like powershifting Druid in wrath and sod. It was difficult but very rewarding. Thats how I thought sub was so I was excited to play it when I decided I’d play midnight a few weeks ago without doing research lol

There doesn’t seem to be any dps in the game like that anymore.

Rogue tank spec is so anti class fantasy that it hurts imo

[plush roost]

How would they bench dps rogue if brew and pwar are right there?

[chrome palm]

yeah its a stiff competition

but brew could just be mw

and then you have room for rogue again (as tank)

[keen dome]

Swashbuckler

[chrome palm]

all part of blizzards sick scheme

[plush roost]

Dropping your hpal or rsham...

MonkaS

Calling the cops

[karmic heron]

When I think of swashbuckler, my mind goes to outlaw

[plush roost]

(We dont look at the tiers they werent played)

[keen dome]

I'm more thinking the D&D style, rather than WoW, which a lot of WoW is built off the idea. I mean, class fantasy is important but at the same time I also think there's room for a dirty fighting scoundrel tank. A duelist who throws sand at people.

[plush roost]

Man shit youre right tho

Healing off spec...

Wait wait i got it

We play bear pwar

And keep dps rogue

One can dream...

[chrome palm]

extend raid size to 25 man to keep your rogue tank

[plush roost]

Damn they got me again

[keen dome]

hell yeah 25-man raiding is back baby

[plush roost]

25 man raiding but its just 5 extra mages

💔

[chrome palm]

rogue as 3rd tank to do all the prot pal jobs with a 1 minute cloak

[karmic heron]

From my perspective, rogues are nimble and quick but when they get hit they can’t take much. Evasion tanking is cool. However, eventually if you make a tank rogue spec they are going to get hit and I don’t think they should be able to survive that.

[warm marlin]

4x dk fight with 4x warlock gates

[plush roost]

[karmic heron]

In dnd swashbuckler rogues are not tanky

[lucid jackal]

New outlaw is peak

[keen dome]

Rogue's are pretty tanky

[tepid trellis]

sir according to outlaw channel it is not

why lie

[lucid jackal]

The outlaw channel is all noobs

[tepid trellis]

fair

[keen dome]

I think all three specs are peak right now.

A mountain with three peaks

[jolly wave]

Every specs channel hates the new changes regardless of class

[chrome palm]

when i dont like the sub changes, its a reasonable, nuanced take. when they say they dont like their changes, its just complaining

[plush roost]

Outlaw cant be good because then it will be nerfed on heroic week for padding on ansurek webs and rashanan adds :/

[chrome palm]

that wont stop minimesser from crafting a sword

[plush roost]

Charollthebones is locked in

[chrome palm]

holy

[karmic heron]

I mean personally as I’ve said I like complex/difficult dps specs and blizzard is going against that direction.

Therefore blizzard is attempting to directly screw over my life and wants me to blow up. There is no other reason.

[plush roost]

I ran out of creativity after Charkareth and Charcane

And Charbarian

[chrome palm]

how my 3rd rogue was looking at me from legion remix prison

https://tenor.com/view/midget-short-guy-midget-cage-cage-short-guy-cage-gif-9960231358870053723

[keen dome]

Bring back coup de grace charge

Make people live through that again

[swift tinsel]

hey its skill expression

[plush roost]

How can they live through it?

[swift tinsel]

so I'm for it

[keen dome]

that's the fun part: they don't

[plush roost]

Theyll be dead to ansurek lines every time

[chrome palm]

hear me out

bring back coup charge

but you do a big jump at the start

[plush roost]

Okayyy

And then

[swift tinsel]

I wanna sprout shadow wings if I do

[plush roost]

You dlam down?

[keen dome]

no

you just fly off into the distance

[plush roost]

Like from above?

[keen dome]

like the crysis frog

[plush roost]

Like youre death?

[chrome palm]

i was more thinking this

[plush roost]

From above?

[chrome palm]

they can even use the same icon from escalating blade

i dont think its used anywhere else

[swift tinsel]

I want the reverse, tunnel under the ground then pop out and hit with One Thousand Years of Death

[plush roost]

We must become ecodome creepers

Burrowcharge

[haughty mural]

[chrome palm]

yeah and if the tank jumps or does any z axis movement

we swap to a dps and crit them with a tank buster

[haughty mural]

death from below

[plush roost]

Disconnect

Omg that reminds me

[swift tinsel]

Permaban on login after that dc too

[plush roost]

First boss of maisara caverns

[chrome palm]

only real unbound bumpers know that one

[plush roost]

If u shadowstep the charge and then get speared your character clips into the air and u dc

And ur corpse is floating 20 yrds up

[alpine wraith]

ahaha

[plush roost]

W gameplau

[chrome palm]

charrend did you ever do sylvanus

[sullen hare]

[plush roost]

Didnt play before vault

[chrome palm]

sometimes when you shadow stepped her in p1

you would just fly like 100 meters in the air

[plush roost]

Awesome

[chrome palm]

that was an awkward death to explain

[keen dome]

I liked the bug on Gally

[plush roost]

The world needs more random 100 yrd bounces

Like dimmy had the reverse gravity bug

[sullen hare]

Sylvanas was the pacer endurance test but for raiding

[keen dome]

Rogue goes down the hole

[plush roost]

Yeet

[hollow spear]

I think they should remove the clones on sectec

[plush roost]

They should make them scale with orc pet racial

[hollow spear]

But they're probably afraid you'd disconnect from the game because the number is too big

[haughty mural]

and add it back via apex ?

[lilac stag]

Inaccurate. Most of us are pretty happy and just looking for a little adjusting

[plush roost]

Wait hes cooking

[haughty mural]

[alpine wraith]

clones are always a mistake

if they are coded by the intern

[plush roost]

Yo what if they added back rupture with our spex

And made it shadowy

[haughty mural]

[plush roost]

Like a nightly bladr

[lilac stag]

Assa and Outlaw can speak for themselves.

[haughty mural]

[sullen glacier]

i think you could make an argument for a fencer, leaning hard into parrying

[plush roost]

When im in a 30+ pack and i miss 10 parries and i floorpov 💔

Rogue tanking boutta go craycray

[sullen glacier]

give us parry haste back, we do big dam

[chrome palm]

on a positive note

[lilac stag]

You would have loved DFA

[chrome palm]

if they put rogue tank in the game

you will finally be able to get egirls in m+ while playing rogue

[plush roost]

Hmmmm

[alpine wraith]

at least you can always farm hates in WM on

[sullen glacier]

are tanks just collecting discord kittens these days

[alpine wraith]

just gank them

[lilac stag]

Rogue tank will be the one tank never invited to m+

[alpine wraith]

or it will be like monk or pala tank

complete deplete

or god

[lilac stag]

You all delulu

[plush roost]

Thats just every lfg rogue

[sullen glacier]

been sniffing our poisons

wcyd

[alpine wraith]

one day we need to do some more 3 rogue keys

to show them

[plush roost]

I do triple rogue keys once a season

Always wurth

[chrome palm]

bro applying to keys as rogue

[alpine wraith]

i want to make a series one day about that

[chrome palm]

what is the meme of the wojak crying saying "please make fun of me"

with the sign

thats how it feels

[sullen hare]

The worst part about playing ds in the next expansion is having to actually press tricks of the trade 🙁

[alpine wraith]

you need to put funny things in the note

[keen dome]

Yeee

[plush roost]

Ive never once heard a person comment on a rogue player with "hes alright" its always "holy hes insane" or "nah that guy is shit"

[alpine wraith]

like winner of the 2014 taco sniffer challenger

[keen dome]

If we have a rogue tank spec, we could have 4 rogue keys. Just think of that!

[sullen hare]

It's true though

[alpine wraith]

damn that is big

[sullen glacier]

i play the 1hr talent just to put it on healer. since the buff is on the rogue, what can they do about it lol

[alpine wraith]

yellow overdrive

[chrome palm]

i mean at the level keys youre doing, you just arent that high if you arent really good at the spec

cant say the same for fotm specs though

[alpine wraith]

the power of money takes you far

but not that far

[jolly wave]

Came from feral and that discord hates those changes(including myself)but it could be cat is always bad mentality

[chrome palm]

idk i am pretty negative about changes

[lilac stag]

we are not wanna be rogues

[chrome palm]

like half the people that come in the channel are like "what did they do to my spec?!?!"

so its pretty mixed at best

[alpine wraith]

well changes are changes for now they just made everything simpler

but even now we found some silly things

[lilac stag]

Those same people likely didn’t touch rogue for more than 5 minutes in TWW

[plush roost]

Apex will make everyone feel better

Promise

[jolly wave]

This is my experience

[patent crystal]

I believe so aswell

[alpine wraith]

true even if it does not work with like half the things

[patent crystal]

but atleast give us rupture back

i beg

[alpine wraith]

when they fix everything

we mooning

until hc week nerf

[lilac stag]

Go play assa for rupture

[chrome palm]

sub had rup

for eternity

assa doesnt have some specific claim to it

[alpine wraith]

not anymore bam

[lilac stag]

And it’s been dumb for an eternity

Just like backstab

[chrome palm]

scath never had the 50 ruptures before halkias

[lucid jackal]

Everybodies man has been killed, everybody's alt is amazing rn

[sullen glacier]

not having rupture does hurt in pvp

[jolly wave]

Big truuuu

[sullen glacier]

no way to stop a vanish now

[lilac stag]

No one plays PvP so who cares

[alpine wraith]

rip

[hazy breach]

You play the dagger embellishment that applies pretty much a constant bleed

[keen dome]

I def feel like we could use one extra button. Rupture? nah. But something. I dunno what.

[sullen glacier]

i see you have practiced the blizzard mantra

[hazy breach]

And thats fixed

[alpine wraith]

embellish to the rescue

[jolly wave]

You can stop vanish just play assas lol

[sullen glacier]

just came back, last i played was df s3. didn't know that existed, thanks

[lilac stag]

Grand scheme of things no one mythic raids, but most of us are here because of it

[chrome palm]

even if that were true

myth raiding is helpful for tuning the game in other environments as well

like lower tier raiding

[lilac stag]

The actual % of the wow subscriptions are never touching mythic raiding. Wdym if that were true

[keen dome]

Wait a minute, do we still have the christmas icon up

[swift tinsel]

yeah

[chrome palm]

sshhh

dont ruin it

[swift tinsel]

which reminds me I gotta swap off my santa hat pfp

ty for that lol

[keen dome]

haha

Put the pride one back on imo.

[lilac stag]

smh my head delete this

[chrome palm]

keep that tree up man

its not spring yet

[swift tinsel]

if anything this past week was the most wintry

snow and -40

[keen dome]

Not for me. Where is my snow.

[swift tinsel]

NA is beta testing it for you

per usual

[keen dome]

🫡

[lilac stag]

Get rid of our ICE and we will send you snow

[keen dome]

Deal

[red vortex]

@lilac stag how u fix buffs only showing when active? my buffs are just there

[swift tinsel]

change alpha to 0% under Aura Missing

[haughty mural]

[warm marlin]

almost like every class/role should have at least one complex spec to main and enjoy and a simple easy spec for people to alt and enjoy

[upbeat garden]

There was before a shadow type dot we had ,I dont remember the name

[haughty mural]

i think you mean nightblade

[upbeat garden]

Yes

I think that was a sub dot

not rupture

[swift tinsel]

#TeamNoDoTs

[haughty mural]

it was

[upbeat garden]

Nightblade – a finishing DoT (Damage over Time). This one will also cost you all the CP you’ve earned by the time of the ability activation. The more CP the higher the damage and the longer the effect (1 CP = 8 secs, 6 CP = 18 sec). Consumes 25 Energy. Decreases the target’s running speed by 30% and increase the damage your enemy gets from your Rogue by 15% over the time of the effect.

coolest dot

it did something unlike rupture

[haughty mural]

it was a generic dmg buff

nothing that special

[warm marlin]

to me, half the fun of sub is the sense of preparation before burst, i.e. setting up sht, coup, rupture/nightblade, otherwise you're just a zombie pressing backstab with no energy. a generic damage buff to put up beforehand is interesting to me

[keen dome]

Bake prism into something and let us stack it up and explode

[warm marlin]

or make symbols a finisher that just amps your damage or shadow damage for a bit if people really hate dots

[swift tinsel]

if it made Strike do shadow damage I'd be kinda for it

idk to me the sense of preparation came more from timing burst vs the extra button presses

"did I time things properly so my big damage went off at the time when that was most important"

[keen dome]

Yeah, understanding the fight and when to actually do stuff.

But it would be fun to have a turbo button you store up.

[north schooner]

make strike deal a random type of damage, to split the damage breakdown between even more spell ids

[swift tinsel]

yes chef

make it prismatic

[warm marlin]

the more things you need to press before the actual burst the more important proper timing is

[swift tinsel]

I can agree with that up to a point

[warm marlin]

timing flag -> rupture -> dance/stab -> sectec -> coup and having adds spawn/group right as the ST clones/coup hit is a lot more interesting/harder than sitting at max cp and pressing your dance/ST macro once they spawn (and clones are 0.4/0.6s now so you don't even need to prepress really)

[lilac stag]

Also filter out non essential buffs in the CDM

[warm marlin]

or any damage amp will just be waiting to start and pressing your swifty burst macro

instead of ramping

[north schooner]

sectec clones?

[warm marlin]

yes they're faster

maybe 0.3/0.6s

[north schooner]

why are they after 0.6/1.2 in the logs then

[warm marlin]

hmm it was a pinned change a while back in midnight-sub

[north schooner]

the non-sectec clones are faster for sure

[warm marlin]

its a bit tough that that channel is gone because most of our notes havent been documented by blizzard :/

cant search for things anymore

[north schooner]

mods trying to delete history

[warm marlin]

but i do remember that sectec clones were supposedly changed, if that isn't the case that's cool

[chrome palm]

did the sectech clone change not make it to prepatch?

they are very fast on beta

[north schooner]

this is from beta. Akaari is just a lazy goat