subtlety

[tribal blade]

i'm genuinely curious how many devs play the game

and what level content they do

[alpine wraith]

think devs should try to lvl one and see how fun and exiting it is too

[lilac stag]

they have 4x down on the SV rework and range SV was one of the most popular specs in the game

[alpine wraith]

they dont know what to do with aug too

so they just made it suck a lot

[lilac stag]

they flip flop holy pali 2-3 times a season

Spriest gets a rework every 5 months

[alpine wraith]

disc does shields then not then it has best cds in the game

[leaden prairie]

ok but they are working on the spell rn tho

[alpine wraith]

then it does not then holy is good

[leaden prairie]

its not like it was something that they werent currently actively working on

thats why it confuses me

[alpine wraith]

yea i mean the guy i fired the other day because he sucked was also working on things

[lilac stag]

not the right things

But still things

[tribal blade]

yeah that is confusing

[lilac stag]

leech in stealth as a talent is all you need to know about quality of rogue development

[leaden prairie]

Like I can understand when it's something like, yo guys I think this thing has been kinda unfun for a while can we get it fixed, and maybe they never get to it

But they are currently working on ks, they changed it so it doesn't do off hand attacks anymore

[lilac stag]

Look how long RS took to get fixed.

[leaden prairie]

Which genuinely must have cost a shit ton of dev time

For litteraly nothing

No one cares

But it's most consistent I guess cause it's a gun now

They buffed the damage numerous time

Maybe as an attempt so that we don't cancel it early

Which I hope they never managed to do

Cause it feels better to cancel it early

But ye idk

[slate marlin]

i rly doubt this mondays little patch notes was the only ones for the week

[leaden prairie]

They are probably going to touch up the spell again next week, and if they don't lower the channel time idk, I will be at a loss of words

[slate marlin]

theres still a shit ton if tuning pending, class and trinkets

[alpine wraith]

it is even more tragic as outlaw because you are not doing finishers or other builders

you just used some cp on this thing

and just stay there 5 secs

the dmg is fine if they keep buffing it but like DS as sub

[tepid trellis]

thematically speaking it also just makes more sense for it to be fast af, just whip out the guns and go haywiere for like 2 sec

[alpine wraith]

when it was better on st

just a ball of stats and passives

that no one cares about

i mean sure eventually deathstalkers mark is omegatrucking but still

DN is quite tragic as sub

even more with new tier you have to be even more aware

[runic trail]

Nah, make it so you spend 10 seconds pulling out an old flintlock rifle before shooting it once instead

[alpine wraith]

trickster works well but also has like 3 diff buggs with coup and disorienting and flurry

like in 1 expansion they have managed to introduce 10 bugs as if we didnt have enough of them

at least they did fix some just deleting the talents

[leaden prairie]

its kinda waht i was thinking for the ability before they reworked it

like i imagined myself running around mobs gunning them fast

[alpine wraith]

tbh a 3 sec channel affected by haste maybe

[leaden prairie]

and instead we have a slow ass channel

[lilac stag]

this could be “hey we listened to you” for adding “takes feedback and addresses it” in IDP review.

If they put a 2 sec cast time on it and everyone complained where do they go. So they make it awful and then turn it into 2 seconds. 4D

[leaden prairie]

you are slowed ? why

eeeh

[alpine wraith]

so you can get it to like 1.x

also yea slowed LUL

[lilac stag]

killing spree should mount you on a jeep turrent

[rapid forum]

Man I just wanted my edgy reaper ult

Why does it have to be weird cone with random targets (???) at least make it hit all in cone

[tribal blade]

i think the best part about this whole thing is you could in a perfect world just skip taking KS

but you. can't

because trickster forces you to take it

smile

[rapid forum]

Well the concept is cool

But hope they iterate next week

[lilac stag]

maybe the real goal is to force you into Fatebound

[rapid forum]

Surely they will not focus on the one button rotation for pre delve setup right

Sureeeely

[tribal blade]

lol true

wait doesn't fatebound force you to take CB

lol

amazing

[leaden prairie]

no it doesnt

[latent finch]

Think thats for assa not outlaw

[leaden prairie]

you dont play that talent its bad

[tribal blade]

oh ok

[leaden prairie]

also they buffed ks so much you play it with fatebound

sooo

[tribal blade]

tragic

[rapid forum]

And fatenoind plays ks anyway

Ye what Zac said

[lilac stag]

[rapid forum]

Schrödingers Killing Spree

[tribal blade]

blizz really likes doubling down

on things they really shouldn't be doubling down on

[rapid forum]

Next week 8 seconds KS channel

Triple down

[lilac stag]

I’m out of conspiracy theories. Just delete #outlaw & #subtlety and we will all setup shop in the only rogue spec … #assassination

[tribal blade]

full dance duration, hot

[lilac stag]

KS no longer affected by haste.
Mastery now affects KS channel

[rapid forum]

Omg

Demon

Delete that now

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/success-yeah-yea-evil-laugh-gif-5886348

[tribal blade]

i still remember the precise moment they nuked combat's mastery because it was "too strong"

and then it got rolled over into when they made outlaw

[rapid forum]

What was combats mastery back then

[tribal blade]

the % chance for main gauche to hit was increased by mastery

so if you had more mastery it had a higher % chance to hit

[rapid forum]

Ohhhh

[tribal blade]

in pvp you would stack full mastery

[rapid forum]

Ye I always wondered why it only buffs dam and not chance to procc

[tribal blade]

and then you would go into red buff (big dmg amp)>kidney your target>pop killing spree>BAMBAMBAMBAMBAM a billion mastery procs>dead target

[lilac stag]

I still have fond memories of green buff yellow buff red buff

[rapid forum]

And extra proccs also procced atk stuff I assume (flourish/poisons etc.)? Like they do now?

[lilac stag]

That will always be peak sword rogue design

[tribal blade]

yeah exactly, it meant more hits and more poisons and all that jazz iirc

[alpine wraith]

KS used to have a hidden 100% dmg amp

that worked with gauche

and gauche could proc from every hit

and you were cc immune

[tribal blade]

it was kinda crazy

[alpine wraith]

yea wod and MoP were crazy times for combat

[rapid forum]

Glory days I assume

[tribal blade]

well combat was braindead back then haha

[lilac stag]

It was just fun

[alpine wraith]

last mop tier set also increased KS dmg

[tribal blade]

seriously nothing going on

[alpine wraith]

so it was even more silly

apar from revealing strike + kidney

being a 10 sec stun for a while

[tribal blade]

the only thing to play around combat was the buff system it had

[alpine wraith]

• paralazing poison that didnt share DR

[tribal blade]

iirc it was green>yellow>red buffs

red being the highest

[leaden prairie]

Ks being affected by haste is also super fake cause haste is still so bad we can't take any after the threshold of 20% is reached, so ks get reduced by 20% haste and that's it, nothing else can be done

[alpine wraith]

basically rogue was omegaop

[rapid forum]

Well I do like current outlaw iteration, super fun to play imo, both ho and kir, but they do be clowning a bit with ks

[alpine wraith]

only BL i guess

[tribal blade]

@alpine wraith do you remember legion ptr shadowstrike

and how every strike would port you 25 yards to your target

[alpine wraith]

we had cloak and dagger for a while even in WoD

[lilac stag]

That was the fun part though. Trying to line things up. You didn’t need rocket science to figure out the spec or 95 apm

[alpine wraith]

and strike still did tp you for a while in legion

[rapid forum]

The haste threshold is so bad imo anyway, makes gearing annoying

[alpine wraith]

whole 2 first tiers iirc

because you could die on krosus

from it

[tribal blade]

yeah i think they nerfed it to 10 or 15 yards

or something like that

trilliax you could get butt beamed too haha

[runic trail]

Legion sprint vanish was the bigger annoyance in raid. The odyn fight, got a mark, sprinted to where I had to do, vanish procced and the mark went elsewhere with like 1 second left

[tribal blade]

so you had to be very careful to not leave melee range

[alpine wraith]

yea

[lilac stag]

Imagine if we just focused on lining up dance windows and not worrying about being temo WW with danse

[tribal blade]

i legitimately don't remember sprint vanish for some reason

and i played the shit outta legion

[runic trail]

The teleport was also annoying

[tribal blade]

i loved legion sub

i thought it was awesome

[runic trail]

It was something on the weapon where if you sprinted for 2 or so seconds without taking damage you vanished

[tribal blade]

jesus it's been that long where i can't remember it really 😦

legion sub was such a good iteration of sub being tricksy

slippery af

as the spec should be

[lilac stag]

Aug 2016

[tribal blade]

coming up on 10 years

[lilac stag]

tbf any of us around that long put up huge memory blocks of anything prior to BFA and that wall of pain

[tribal blade]

bfa worst expac ever

for sub rogues

[leaden prairie]

I mean ye it's one of the worse change outlaw got in tww, I just don't mind it as much cause it's not gameplay related directly, it just makes gearing horrible

[rapid forum]

I can only stick with it cause law so fun to play atm

[tribal blade]

ngl it's weird seeing outlaw stacking that much haste now

feels dirty

[lilac stag]

How awful is it? Just swap neck and rings missive if you end up at threshold.

[rapid forum]

Also doesn't help that there is very limited good jewellery for us

[lilac stag]

but idk. Gearing in general seems like a meme that we hyper focus on for no reason

[rapid forum]

Just makes flexing specs bad, in DF it was so easy to flex sub and law because both like vers crit back then

Now the haste fucks sub

And sin is never really doable because they hate vers and want big mast

[tribal blade]

agreed yeah

[rapid forum]

Which is complete opposite of law

[lilac stag]

assa doesn’t care about stats

Just put on ilvl

[rapid forum]

They do favor mast crit a lot

[tribal blade]

you can actually stack quite a bit of vers as sin and not lose too much dps

[lilac stag]

they don’t care

[rapid forum]

U sure?

[lilac stag]

Literally don’t care

Blindside Rng is the important part

[rapid forum]

My sin Sims 600k lower than law and already tried to optimize that

[tribal blade]

i swapped out a lot of mast for vers and lost i think -1% dps

[lilac stag]

assa sims are shit

[tribal blade]

for a bunch more DR

[rapid forum]

Rly?

[lilac stag]

rly rly

[rapid forum]

Hm, mby I should try it again then

[lilac stag]

Be it the way envenom is handled or execute in sims

[rapid forum]

But risk too high of falling asleep during energy drought 😪

[lilac stag]

I think eleem gave up on trying to figure it out

[tribal blade]

zeroess was the one who put me onto that

he also stacks a buttload of vers playing sin

in keys

[lilac stag]

I have a ring to swap out from sub to assa and that’s it

outlaw is kinda the outlier of rogue gearing

Between weapons and whatever your haste magic number is

[rapid forum]

Ye I just remember flexing/swapping bei g way easier in SL and DF but the haste adr cap thingy made it so horrible

Also crafted gear having drop downs for stats/embellish would be a godsend

[bright solstice]

I used to have logs with all 3 in one season but now its all sin

[alpine wraith]

i mean sin just kinda works apart from mark BS on DS

[lilac stag]

It does in top gear

[rapid forum]

Top gear true endgame anyway

[alpine wraith]

you can also just make a gearset in advanced

[bright solstice]

nvm not all 3 😭

[lilac stag]

Or what you confusing me with?

[tribal blade]

looks like most of the big sin rogues are still stacking the shit outta mastery though

[rapid forum]

It is highest dam afaik

[lilac stag]

I’d just like one of the specs not named assa to not be krangled gameplay

seems impossible

[tribal blade]

yeah it for sure is, zeroess just said how it can be worth dropping some mast for vers in high keys

and taking that small loss

i'm gonna sim again and see

[short radish]

tbh assi also has krangled gameplay with deathstalker

but you can still do damage if you fuck up

[haughty mural]

[haughty mural]

But it was really goated for his adds

[leaden prairie]

Any haste over is trash, any haste under it's unplayable

So

Considering both other specs also play with legit 0 haste

Anytime you get a new item you have to regem and enchant everything to be able to equip it

You have to sim both vers and haste flask

Idk

It's just cringe af

[lilac stag]

Show me a huge variance for 1 item upgrade that requires redoing everything.

maybe you get OAB ring so yay. But every other slot upgrade I find big doubt in it forcing you to redo everything.

Especially in a 5min patchwerk bubble that doesn’t actually exist in game

[leaden prairie]

I mean you have to reenchant basically everytime yes

And when you get a piece with haste

It's aids trying to fit it into your gear

And it's basically impossible to sim top gear

[lilac stag]

ok

if you say so chief

[leaden prairie]

Cause you need to do 2 with haste and vers flask, and you have too many possible combinations

[crisp karma]

outlaw being discussed in sub channel

[lilac stag]

nah. Delusional importance of stats being discussed.

and outlaw apparently needed to buy the super duper rich boi premium raidbots.

[leaden prairie]

Hm

I would agree with you generally

But it's different for outlaw

[lilac stag]

other haste capped specs don’t seem to have issue.

[leaden prairie]

You get what it does right

It lower your GCD

And then it's capped

At 20

[lilac stag]

Just outlaw

[leaden prairie]

Cause it scale forever

[lilac stag]

No other specs affects gcd

[leaden prairie]

There is no haste cap lol

I mean whatever bro

Are you stupid or what

Calling me a liar for no reason

Why would I lie

[lilac stag]

I asked you to prove it.

With what?

[leaden prairie]

I did

You just ignored it

[lilac stag]

Trust me bro

[leaden prairie]

????

You ask me something about outlaw

I answer

Of course trust me bro

Wdym

Are you a fucking dumbass

That's crazy

[lilac stag]

I asked you to show me a sim

And you go to name calling.

done.

[fallow nimbus]

Outlaw isn't a spec it's a diagnosis

[leaden prairie]

Ye cause you called me a liar

When I told you

It's annoying

To sim

Haste

As outlaw

Actually crazy

I'm nice I answer a guy question

[carmine portal]

Ladies ladies calm down

[leaden prairie]

And I need to provide

Proofs now

Of any claim I do

[carmine portal]

We're all shit specs here

[runic trail]

Zac deep breaths

[leaden prairie]

Ask any outlaw player

You absolute fucking shitter

Degenerate psychopath

[runic trail]

[carmine portal]

So how is everyone doing today?

[swift tinsel]

He needs to argue to feel alive

[carmine portal]

Anyone got any nice meals planned?

[leaden prairie]

I get called a liar for answering a question

[runic trail]

Tired and work is stressing me the fuck out

[fallow nimbus]

Not needing to sim haste, so good i guess

[swift tinsel]

Had a similar meltdown when I said the coup buff is likely too large because it caused coup to leapfrog to top damage by a huge margin

[keen dome]

I re-finished Death Stranding 1 which was nice. What a good game. Better than Rogue gameplay.

[fallow nimbus]

It's now eviscerate (coup)

[carmine portal]

I havent played either but i work in motion control and mocap so ive been invested in the BTS of those games

[swift tinsel]

Yea wcl change is ass they need to revert that

[runic trail]

I am fighting the urge to throw a monitor out of the window for the third party agency we work with are FUCKING USELESS

[keen dome]

Hell yeah, it's so good in DS1.

[runic trail]

[alpine wraith]

isnt bts that korean boys group

[keen dome]

Love the mad Kojipro stuff for elevating the medium's acting and motioncaptue work

[swift tinsel]

This was on ptr before they merged them btw

[runic trail]

'You haven't sent us this thing' 'I have. Here's the audit trail of me sending the same thing to you the last four god damn times you asked for it, leave me alone I have other shit to do '

Okay rant is over I needed to vent a bit

[carmine portal]

Sorry that work is bothering u friend

[keen dome]

Sounds like it's their problem

Tell them to look in the recycle bin. WHERE THEIR BRAIN IS.

[carmine portal]

Tell them to keep themselves safe

[runic trail]

Mate some of the shit they ask for is ridiculous, send them a document, 'we don't need page 4 and 6 of this, can you resend this without those', DO I LOOK LIKE YOUR GODDAMN SECRETARY

[keen dome]

lmao

[carmine portal]

My only issue today is that it's so fucking humid here

Disgustingly gross

[swift tinsel]

Dude my project manager does that kind of shit all the time

Just delete the pages yourself 🙃

[runic trail]

Yup

It took you longer to send that request to me than it would have been to do it yourself

[lilac stag]

yes because asking in a discord that prides itself on actual numbers and not feels for a single sim showing a major swing in dps because of a single item upgrade causing all gems enchants to be redone is all of the sudden out of the question? This isn’t that crazy of an ask.

legit wanted to see what the sim is doing.

[tepid raven]

[runic trail]

RUN

[lilac stag]

nah. Ronkley is

[tepid raven]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hi-hy-hey-gif-8520159980767013609

[tribal blade]

it's a beautiful day to be a rogue

[short radish]

[hollow plinth]

it's true haste falls to zero after its cap, and this is unique to KIR outlaw

[short radish]

(i dont have one that says sims)

[keen dome]

hell yeah dog

[tribal blade]

CAN I PET THAT DAWWWGGGG

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wUT1QBQIhlQ

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/reference-captain-america-avengers-understood-gif-7991943

[lilac stag]

and when you hit 20.5% you need to regem everything for how much of an actual gain or is it sitting in the 1% or less range?

[hollow plinth]

20.5% is fine, because at most you are competing with 0.5% vers

[latent finch]

If you want to multispec becasue outlaw in raid is still pretty damn meh its extremly annoying in the early season. Later its fine because you just get enough gear these days

[lilac stag]

And this is why I was questioning the 1 single upgraded needing a full sim with every gem, enchant and 3 flasks or whatever.

[lilac stag]

You’re immediately shoehorned if you craft a weapon. I get that aspect.

[sinful zephyr]

What so you Guys think about merging flag and Blades but then making the CD shorter and also with some charges Like dance qnd symbols. That would allow us to have some strong burst If WE want but also the Option to stagger the damage.I Like the Idea and in some way CD Management ist one of the Key ideas of SUB. Or am i Missing Something in my reasoning? What do you think about that

[hazy breach]

Careful guys, we might be next, theyll just slap a "haste increases your cooldown reduction for shadow dance upto 20%"

[lilac stag]

You’re also likely taking a weapon away from DH/WW

If it drops

[lilac stag]

We’d have to sim 2 talents then too!

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/lilo-and-stitch-disney-lilo-stitch-hiss-gif-3562813

[tribal blade]

or haste reducing gcds in dance

[hazy breach]

I mean they could merge flag and blades, but sub already has cooldown management with dances (which could be combined with symbols too)

[void ocean]

cute of u to think id be gettin it 😄

[lilac stag]

Positive Pete energy

[hollow plinth]

"needing" depends on the item but it's true if you are approaching or crossing the haste cap, your optimal setup can shift around gear a lot

which is annoying for outlaw

[runic trail]

WHY GIVE THEM IDEAS

[latent finch]

Haste caps just for the sake to make haste desired is in imo just terrible. Like outlaw got nerfed to have a haste cap and if you reach it its the same then before. Its not "fun" and its proably the most boring solution to the haste problems

[latent finch]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-burn-gif-25513772

[hollow plinth]

it may be <1% dps unless your gear is gigashit but your sim will never try to hold onto more haste than it needs to

[lilac stag]

shifting sure, but if we’re talking 1% or less (which I said would likely be a OAB ring) that’s on the individual if they’re going to go that far down the stat rabbit hole.

[void ocean]

that would rly be a thing, snoring during downtime, and breaking my wrist during SD

[lilac stag]

I’m not going to try to play outlaw in raid with my sub gear.

[latent finch]

There were some times where the lockenstock trinket was huge for my outlaw char even if its a bad trinket. But the haste on it made it better then the good trinkets

[hollow plinth]

i don't agree that just top gearing your optimal setup is tryharding your stats

[hazy breach]

My pick for making haste not useless is having something that converts haste into some other stat at a reduced rate during our cds. But that is definitely more of a bandaid than a fix

[tribal blade]

i suggested that once to realz and he essentially called the idea boring

[lilac stag]

It’s not useless but it matter way less than people think. I’ll take good rng over fretting on .25% for 14000g of consumables. To each their own.

[hazy breach]

Ye im aware

It is boring

Maybe not needing haste is actually more interesting but ye

[latent finch]

You could also just make a talent which gives autoattacks lets say plague dmg a 1000% buff to make haste a good stat just a idea

[hazy breach]

Curse and a blessing not caring about BL

[tribal blade]

it's a blessing until blizz decides to put haste buffs in raid fights :)(

like sark

[mellow adder]

hi how to get to gloombalde withouit losing main skills or is there way to chose that instead others and what should ii change it for

[tribal blade]

you don't

[lilac stag]

No gloomy

[hazy breach]

You still need to be behind the target even with gloomblade

If thats your reasoning for wanting it

[tribal blade]

talenting gloomblade is essentially slightly increasing out of dance dmg, which is non existent anyways

[leaden prairie]

I'm literally nice enough to answer a question you ask while I'm on my lunch break on my phone and you just call me a liar and to provide a sim for proof like xd

[mellow adder]

oh ok

[lilac stag]

How does that help out of dance next tier when we’re pressing Storm & Toss?

[tribal blade]

wait are we pressing toss now too

[latent finch]

Im still on my knees begging to remove that positioning requirement. And if they get rid of FW i will do alot for it

[tribal blade]

despair

[keen dome]

Gloomyblade 😦

[lilac stag]

You can do either or

[keen dome]

purple backstab, my beloved

[tribal blade]

ahh ok

[mellow adder]

what should i do with macro opener then?

isntead gloomy

[hazy breach]

Well no, in st inbetween coups you can in theory use toss instead of storm but why bother

[tribal blade]

makes sense

[hazy breach]

Not sure what youre talking about

[mellow adder]

there is a macro opener witch recquires part of gloomplade so whats the esentiall similar skill witch can replace gloomy

[tribal blade]

backstab

but don't use a macro opener

[keen dome]

Where did you find this macro opener?

I suspect it's either very outdated, or just very bad.

[lilac stag]

is this some gnomesequencer magic?

[mellow adder]

yap just realised

[lilac stag]

we don’t do macros here

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[lilac stag]

That’s basically it.

[mellow adder]

i know but its too complicated evry time i try opener in pvp manually im so slow they manage to stun me

[keen dome]

We don't run Tea anymore, do we? Could probably remove that so people don't get confused.

[lilac stag]

#pvp

[tepid trellis]

Soon we Will

[lilac stag]

It’s back in 3 weeks

[keen dome]

OH NO

[tribal blade]

might be running it next season 😉

in keys

[keen dome]

[tribal blade]

honestly i don't mind running tea

you get vigor

[keen dome]

Yeah

[tribal blade]

which feels awesome

[lilac stag]

You’re running Assa. Get out of here.

[keen dome]

I guess it's incredibly whatever.

[latent finch]

Maybe add the CB+ Secret one with a disclaimer that you still need 2 buttons?

[tribal blade]

EVEN on sub 😉

i was running the cursed tea build for a while during S3 DF until armin bullied me enough out of it

[keen dome]

haha

I've not paid attention to ptr theory but I am curious what we end up dropping to take it for M+. CB and lethality?

[tepid trellis]

Yep

[keen dome]

Makes sense. I assume it's to fuel the coup's or something?

[tribal blade]

sectec being soft capped at 5 instead of 8 makes the difference

from what i heard

[tepid trellis]

More coup casts

[hazy breach]

And sectech just doing less damage because tier doesnt buff it

[tepid trellis]

So mastery is goodge

[keen dome]

Makes sense

Good to knooooow

[tribal blade]

this is the first tier in a while that doesn't buff sectec directly

[hazy breach]

But ye sectech not being softcapped at 5 instead of 8 is sus

Since everything else we do is at 8

[keen dome]

Yeah

Kinda weird

[lilac stag]

Sectech new fury warrior spell

their caps in general are just weird and outdated

[keen dome]

Everything should just be softcapped at, I dunno. 10

8, 7, 9.

Just softcaps. Like my brain.

[lilac stag]

here’s fury pumping at 4 target. Boomkin not far behind. Then we hit 10 targets. Where did the warrior go?

[keen dome]

Holding their hands up and counting on their fingers

[mellow adder]

preatty stupid question but how do u guys drop duel flags?

on safe zones and ow

[void ocean]

what

[spice matrix]

Right click player portrait > Duel

[tepid trellis]

#pvp

[tribal blade]

this season is so weird

warriors doing pretty low dmg in keys

but they're high in demand in phys comps just for battle shout

[lilac stag]

Their dev also doesn’t play the game.

[tribal blade]

lol true

i just spoke with a warr in my guild about it today

[mellow adder]

there is no any duel text

[tribal blade]

when i found out that arms needs a conditional WA for execute

which is so dumb

[wheat edge]

can probably just target someone and type /duel

[leaden prairie]

@lilac stag i wanna add something, its basically impossible to sim trinkets with haste as main stat since ytou also need to remove an equivalent haste on your gear, and the opposite is also true

[swift tinsel]

is that for juggernaut stuff?

and balancing it with sudden death etc

[tribal blade]

yeah that and some other stuff

with slayer

[wheat edge]

yeah fury also needs the execute weakaura

[swift tinsel]

ye

[hazy breach]

Isnt slayer unplayable in keys

[wheat edge]

need to get the caching sound before u can press it

[swift tinsel]

I think I made my own lol

[hazy breach]

Or did they fix that

[keen dome]

It's had a hotfix iirc

So I think it's playable but has less burst?

[tribal blade]

slayer for raid, other one for keys

[wheat edge]

I think for arms atleast they play slayer in keys? or atleast next tier they will

[tribal blade]

colossus

[swift tinsel]

I think colo

ye

[keen dome]

Yeah, Colossus

[wheat edge]

but for raids u play slayer on both specs

[keen dome]

But you can play Slayer now I think?

[swift tinsel]

iirc slayer was more burst

[tribal blade]

i'm just running slayer in keys on my warr because i don't care haha

[swift tinsel]

aoe*

[tribal blade]

it's just my splits char

i don't wanna learn 2 hero trees

[swift tinsel]

slayer is the warrior fantasy for me

for dps at least, colossus prot is banger

[wheat edge]

honestly fury warrior has the best designed hero talents imo

like mountain thane is so cool

[swift tinsel]

for sure, they def lucked out

[wheat edge]

and slayer (outside of the execute stuff) is also cool with more bladestorms

[swift tinsel]

when I first saw slayer tree I was 95% sure I was gonna play it all xpac

[wheat edge]

but needing a weakaura to tell you when to press like the most signature button is weird

[swift tinsel]

yeah it's been in a weird spot esp for fury for a while

condemn kinda fixed that

bc its just another builder that isn't raging blow which is annoying for a class that's been the go-to execute

and raging blow has basically become wild strike

[wheat edge]

yeah idk I am so hyped for new patch cause I wanna try to play a bunch of stuff

wanna try some sub, also gear warrior and DH

[swift tinsel]

I'm playing sub for sure, and having a hard time settling on a main alt

fdk obv banger

havoc too

[wheat edge]

but at the moment there is so much shit to do just to gear a char that I cba

[swift tinsel]

kinda wanna go surv, maybe lock if I wanna chill in range

[wheat edge]

so I've just been leveling stuff in timewalking (monk/dk) and doing tmog runs on DH while raidlogging assa

[swift tinsel]

my alts are my crafting slaves so I've got everything at 80 if I ever feel the desire to play anything lol

[wet robin]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

plus it helps keep me up to date on everyone's kits

[wheat edge]

yeah and idk I just enjoy leveling in timewalking

like I have leveled 2 extra rogues, a hunter and a mage that legit haven't done anything else after hitting 80

[runic trail]

I just level in chromie time, levelled a hunter up recently just from TBC quests, it was chill

[wheat edge]

or nevemind! I did do heroic ilvl parsing on one of the rogues

[runic trail]

I already had a hunter at 45 but I can't pick up a spec midway through

[swift tinsel]

my ilvl parses usually look good bc I don't gear very aggressively lol

[wheat edge]

(the real numbers)

[hazy breach]

Ye thats what i did last season too, demolish doenst feel great

But my troll hitting execute feels great

So i just play the spec that presses the most executes

[runic trail]

Yeah, the animation is great for that

Another reason to only play troll

[swift tinsel]

mine were decent last tier, kinda coasted

ignore oab and mug lol

[wheat edge]

sadly this tier I haven't done a single pull as sub

[tribal blade]

execute is big dopamine button

[swift tinsel]

got gaols in opener like 9/10 pulls lol

we're super casual so I don't ever have to spec anything else unless I want to

[runic trail]

I've done some earlier reclear as it but I don't feel comfortable doing harder bosses on it

[swift tinsel]

the freedom is awesome

[runic trail]

So i just swap back to sin. Also we were hitting our heads against mugzee so the execute damage helped

[runic trail]

I could play whatever its just a big confidence issue for me

And I'm most comfortable/confident with sin so if in doubt I play that

[swift tinsel]

if we got to mugzee I can almost guarantee it would have killed our guild

[keen dome]

I'm sad I couldn't get Gally to 99 but oh well.

[swift tinsel]

I stopped mythic prog the week before we killed rik bc I just was not feeling it

[keen dome]

Curse you, Lockensprocket

[swift tinsel]

and we had a rotating bench so I felt bad taking up a spot if other people wanted to be there

[swift tinsel]

hawttttttt

[keen dome]

Only heroic, but best season I've ever had

Mostly done in pugs too

[swift tinsel]

nice!!

even more impressive

that'd badass!

[keen dome]

Gally and Locken just elude me.

[runic trail]

I ain't getting numbers I'm happy with with sub at the moment, which leads to the dumb cycle of continuing to not get numbers with it

Cos I don't play it

As much as I play sin

[wheat edge]

honestly the biggest issue I am having with sub is that my keybinds all feel awkward, cause like the opener on assa with dm->shiv->kb is so smooth when they are all on global, and then 1/2 for dance/symbols feels nice but shadowblades/the backstab u wanna fit in feels so awkward idk where to put them

[keen dome]

mousewheel

[wheat edge]

thats for zooming in and out..

[keen dome]

ctrl+mousewheel

[carmine portal]

Bro

Why are shift q and control q so far aparr

[runic trail]

Mousewheel down is for jump wdym

[wheat edge]

I rarely use ctrl

[keen dome]

I love it

[wheat edge]

like the top row is just filler stuff

[carmine portal]

I have 4bars, shift ctr alt and no-modifier and ALL my buttons are in line

[runic trail]

Its jump in every game because of counterstrike Bunny hop stuff

[keen dome]

Oh yeah, of course

I always forget that stuff like CS results in rebinding jump

[runic trail]

Its just, my brain defaults to MWD as jump instead of space now

I also play with right hand on wasd and that makes hitting space awkward

[wheat edge]

idk maybe I just hit a target dummy for an hour and figure it out

[carmine portal]

Bro what

[runic trail]

I just can't use the mouse in my right hand it feels weird

[keen dome]

high5

[carmine portal]

Spam mythic 0s, i did that bcus stuff doesnt die too quick and i rlly nailed the opener

[keen dome]

Left hand for mouse, right hand for keyboard

[carmine portal]

Freak

[runic trail]

If I have to hit space I have to kind of... Hit it with the base of my little finger?/

[keen dome]

No, no.

[carmine portal]

That is freak behaviour

[keen dome]

Sinister

It's Sinister

[runic trail]

ONE OF US

[carmine portal]

I want to see an m+10 handcam from one of u

[keen dome]

Sinister (Latin for 'left') indicates the left-hand side as regarded by the bearer – the bearer's proper left, and to the right as seen by the viewer

[swift tinsel]

lefty gang rise uppppp

(still play mouse right hand tho)

[runic trail]

Traitor

[keen dome]

My binds may make more sense with the knowledge of my right-hand being on the keyboard

[swift tinsel]

left hand dextrous hand good for piano binds

[runic trail]

Right hand, fucking useless and cannot be trusted can't move the mouse properly

[swift tinsel]

plus I grew up with a normie setup bc of school and family computer

[latent finch]

You could rotate your hand a bit to press it with the palm of your hand. I press controll and alt that way

[swift tinsel]

nah just be ambidextrous

[keen dome]

True, but i'm lazy

So right hand does the keyboard stuff

[runic trail]

Right hand got dropped on his head a bit too much for that

[swift tinsel]

lmao

[runic trail]

But thumb is for Ctrl/shift

[keen dome]

I can't hit shift or alt easily

so it's all control

[swift tinsel]

idk if I could handle right hand wasd

[carmine portal]

My gf doesnt understand her lefts/rights bcus shes italian so its S/D not L/R

[keen dome]

Hah

[carmine portal]

Giving her directions in wow is hard

[keen dome]

That rules

[wheat edge]

hmm can u just macro backstab to dance?

[keen dome]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[keen dome]

viola

[swift tinsel]

hey I can reclaim my cb+sectech macro bind

[runic trail]

I didn't know you played an instrument!

[swift tinsel]

shift+R my beloved

[keen dome]

R for Dance, ctrl+r for symbols has worked so well for me

It feels so fluid

[swift tinsel]

I do Q sod 3 Dance

simulpress very easy

[runic trail]

Shift 1 dance shift 3 symbols, I dunno why but shift 3 is always big cooldowns

[keen dome]

Someday I will unbind Q and E from strafe and use them

Today is not that day

[carmine portal]

I use q/e instead of 1/2

Feels way smoother

[swift tinsel]

Q is cd button, 3 is kind of a flex depending on spec

[keen dome]

I was going to do it at the start of TWW but then I just didn't

I imagine this will repeat

[swift tinsel]

I played Q E strafe until probably WoD then I swapped back to A D

[keen dome]

Ye

[swift tinsel]

E kick is so cozy

[keen dome]

It's one of those things I know I should learn but then I never do

[swift tinsel]

I mean if you have strafe bound period and its QE or AD that's solid

[carmine portal]

When i first played in 2008 my older brother made a/d strafe like

My second day

[wheat edge]

ohhh so wait this macro just makes it so that while ur in shadow dance the bind is backstab

[swift tinsel]

man I don't even wanna talk about my binds when I started

[keen dome]

Yep!

[wheat edge]

kinda clean

[keen dome]

It's real nice

[swift tinsel]

was playing on a 2007 Macbook lol

mf would sound like a jet engine in org and still only pull 7 fps

[carmine portal]

Mine was some old ass grey mac box, my brother had an imac

[clever delta]

padder spotted, cant do dmg on single target boss :D:D

jk mate

[keen dome]

truth, you should see my Stix parse lmao

It's such gross padding

[clever delta]

i did parse once on stixx and never again

[keen dome]

Did it with my guild where nobody knows how to do AoE damage

[runic trail]

I remember when I first started and going to shattrath just fuckin' made my game crash, good times. Had to time my city visits to non peak times

[keen dome]

So I ended up with this damage breakdown:

[swift tinsel]

lmao yeah had to be strategic with main city visits

[keen dome]

I'm the DPS at the top. Then the next person down is the second highest on the kill

I did it in a pug too and it's resulted in the funniest kill time disparity

[runic trail]

Wotlk I was forced to live in the sewers, it made the rogue order hall feel like home

[lilac stag]

So you’d love my setup doing all my character movements outside of jump with mouse buttons.

[swift tinsel]

wotlk was when I finally got a usb mouse so I was free of trackpad jail

[keen dome]

damn, wow on a trackpad

[swift tinsel]

J K L ; binds be damned

[swift tinsel]

yeah I had this jank method of using my thumbs at the same time to move

one would press the 'right click' and the other would navigate the trackpad

and then had A S D F J K L ; as my main binds

it was

SO cursed

[runic trail]

By our powers combined we can achieve full mouse movement

[swift tinsel]

but I wanted to game lol and it was only BC and early wrath so I think I did one Kara and one or two Naxx's as a holy paladin so it was doable

[keen dome]

The different way people play is always fascinating

[north schooner]

[swift tinsel]

One of the guys I used to game with was missing a few fingers from an accident so he had a footpedal board configured for gaming

[keen dome]

owns

[tepid trellis]

!ban @dire dust scam

[runic trail]

They were in this discord since 2017 apparently, I wonder if they got their account taken over

[keen dome]

Almost certainly

[heady dragon]

i was just about too get my 25000€ wtf

[keen dome]

That was your typical hijacked account bullshit, rip them.

[runic trail]

Or they were playing the long game

[north schooner]

mods want to keep you poor

[mellow adder]

i9s there addon for showing witch skills were used?

like ive seen peoples screen and showcase of their pressed buttons for skils

[steel jolt]

details action tracker

[north schooner]

details can do it for you

there are some WAs too

[mellow adder]

thanks

[fickle mason]

What do yall bind shadow dance backstab to

[sharp lake]

I bind Dance to 1 and Backstab on my stealth bar is also 1

[keen dome]

Same place I bind shadow dance

'cos you can't dance in dance

[north schooner]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[dry plank]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/F5iA3i6wGIg

[steel jolt]

another victim of tier list click bait

[dry plank]

I like the way they laugh

[swift tinsel]

its true tho frost absolutely ate with the rework compared to unholy

removing cleaving strikes a windmill dunk from half court

[lilac stag]

Frost going to be the FRFR 45/90 sec burst spec sub wishes it could be.

just had to donate some slappy hands

[vestal escarp]

We donated more

But alas

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

[alpine wraith]

we lost dust double vanish dance in tree

but hey at least flag gives mastery

xd

also rip

[keen dome]

I hope we can add goremaw to that lineup soon

[lilac stag]

Reminder. Someone asked for that to be removed.

don’t think a single dk asked from grippy to go

[alpine wraith]

goremaw could be something interesting but they refuse to iterate

like literally just change it to finisher dmg

instead of energy

biggest problem sub has is the only capstone we have is shadowcraft

everything else is just there

and shadowcraft is actually quite toxic

because it makes you able to spam finishers so they cant be as strong as intended

and energy useless

everything they learnt over 9 years got washed away

[lilac stag]

I would be thrilled to see danse deleted.

[alpine wraith]

danse rotten and db are like

whatever

[lilac stag]

DB you could argue some theme BS

[swift tinsel]

db honestly should merge into rs

[alpine wraith]

and same thing happened with sepsis it was going to be a cool finisher then they made it a wank builder

that does shit dmg

[swift tinsel]

turning rupture and instant poison to shadow damage, big uppies

[alpine wraith]

and enables 1 afterwards 2 stealth abilities but only for SUB it does not proc the stealth things

why because F you

[lilac stag]

I’d rather them just go in on the base spec being shadow

[swift tinsel]

should be, yeah

[alpine wraith]

tbh i liked being all physical and FW being strong

there is no reason we do shadow things we are rogues

not warlocks

[lilac stag]

I swear it was just to be different than nature / assa

[swift tinsel]

if they do that revert fw to only from strike and make it 70-100%

[alpine wraith]

the spec itself got a weird mid change but never went full into it

[swift tinsel]

classic sub

[alpine wraith]

im all for full phys omega ninja with big hits

or shadow weaver with cool cds and abilities

but not the thing we have now

30% fw

[lilac stag]

idk does shadow even matter for pvp any longer with ignoring armor

[alpine wraith]

the fuq is that

shadow is fun because some specs can reduce lots of magic dmg

so it is even worse than phys

and plate/mail with shield already cuck dmg from everywhere

[swift tinsel]

remove pve armor as a factor

and parry

[lilac stag]

dispell nightblade

[swift tinsel]

let the pvp nerds play their own game with weird mitigations

[lilac stag]

spec just needs to be streamline ability wise and interaction wise

how certain things work together behind the scenes is insane

[ripe flame]

where would the theme and immersion be if parry is not a thing anymore

[lilac stag]

in the bin with the rest of the immersion

[swift tinsel]

remove Kingsbane from the parry blacklist then

same with Colossus Smash

and anything else that is specifically unparryable

[lilac stag]

let it all burn

[ripe flame]

Yea

[swift tinsel]

either make it all parryable or nothing

[alpine wraith]

at least you dont need to soothe bosses anymore as rogue

imagine they parry you XD

[swift tinsel]

gotta bring back Expose Armor

[alpine wraith]

i would not mind it being a super amp with a cd

[swift tinsel]

"hold on lemme Sunder for threat"

[alpine wraith]

but what i dont really like is flag and blades being so long

like how can we get big burst if our cds last almost 30 secs

[swift tinsel]

that's why if we're stuck with FW make it only tied to Strike but make it super strong

[alpine wraith]

FW is so weird

[swift tinsel]

yeah cd window should be 16sec like blades

fit 2x dance in neatly

instead of weird 8sec buffer from flag

[alpine wraith]

i was tinkering a bit with using blades a bit later so it covers the 2 later sec techs instead of 2 first ones

may be a bit of a win

with the triple dance on cds

you would use it when you proc coup after the first sec tech kinda

[swift tinsel]

would that gain more from forge bc it can cover all of it?

or do trinkets not really matter for that part

[alpine wraith]

forge is a bit weird for sub

[swift tinsel]

yea

[alpine wraith]

because we ramp

and it decays

[swift tinsel]

that's why I was curious about where it would land power-wise across a triple dance

[alpine wraith]

best we can do is sim but tbh it will depend on encounter mostly

if you need more bonehead fronted dmg

[ripe flame]

It goes down as we go up kinda thing?

[alpine wraith]

well our problem is you pop trinket and use sec tech or whatever right

[keen dome]

@lilac stag What spec do you think the void DH would've been before becoming void. This is a very important question

[alpine wraith]

but that one would have like 7 flag stacks

[swift tinsel]

Yeah and lily would need a steroid injection to enter the conversation

[alpine wraith]

and 1 or 2 flawless

vs the second or third sec tech

with 30 stacks and like 20+ flawless with new tier

[swift tinsel]

esp with new tier set giving moreflawless

yeah

[alpine wraith]

that is a difference of like 140% inc finisher dmg + danse

same with blades

as it has 16 secs durations because

idk f you

[swift tinsel]

idk I like blades duration

flag is the weird one for me

[alpine wraith]

flag has to have less stacks be stronger and last less

like if you stacked it with 2 finishers or 3

[swift tinsel]

yeah the whole ramping part could go imo

bc it stacks so fast already

[alpine wraith]

could make the stacks be little but make it do lots of dmg like when we had obedience and lashing scars

[swift tinsel]

yeah that's something I wouldn't mind either

instead of just being "the thing we press before blades"

[lilac stag]

Wait I don’t understand

[keen dome]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468124640091439105/1395420454105124864/image.png?ex=687a6211&is=68791091&hm=43505bb275cf26e506423da1b185d67090899b9e84506cd89e731cb91ad5d8ef&

I've gotta pick a spec for him!

[swift tinsel]

probably havoc if I had to guess

[keen dome]

Only way to prevent it from becoming real: become it first

[lilac stag]

I’m assuming is like not all the good warlock bits fit into havoc and you get kyveza

[swift tinsel]

he's got the edgelord 'idgaf about my transmog' thing

and that's a dps angle for sure

[keen dome]

Yeah

I'm sad I can't replicate his transmog

[swift tinsel]

if there were two characters in the game that looked like that, yeesh

idk man

[keen dome]

I can do it all except the helm

[proven plover]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[proven plover]

is belt maxed at 701? or 704? wowhead post was saying 704 but theres no upgrade mat from this weeks quest?

[swift tinsel]

701

[proven plover]

k

ty

[swift tinsel]

duplicitous wowhead

[proven plover]

it was at least something to do before raid

[lilac stag]

I’m going back and forth on leveling the DH or the DK

[keen dome]

I might save the DH for remix, honestly

[steel jolt]

you can level both super easily. we have the XP event and timewalking

[lilac stag]

I think FDK may trigger me more with where sub is.

[keen dome]

Tempted to level a Priest

[swift tinsel]

it's got all the purple

can't blame you

[lilac stag]

lol

[keen dome]

PURPLE

[swift tinsel]

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExYjlvZXVob3JpbHQ0aGQzZjdlOTljajBrdWUyYzZudzZ2bmg0ZG5tMCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9cw/iF4sz457jUUPSNpn2y/giphy.gif

[honest saddle]

Hello dear friends, I have returned from my assassination pit of despair

[carmine portal]

welcome to the slightly more shadowy pit of despair

[keen dome]

I guess you could say you've.. Subscribd to something else

[carmine portal]

nice

[haughty mural]

New ??

[north schooner]

@swift tinsel why are you challenging the rogue historian? you stand no chance

[carmine portal]

God of all the forums to be active on the WoW one has got to be one of the worst

[swift tinsel]

lmao melting his brain is my new hobby

[north schooner]

I dunno wowhead and reddit are pretty close

[swift tinsel]

Did you know Find Weakness is essential to Sub because it goes with Stealth/Shadow Dance like peanut butter and jelly?!

just ignore the fact that Improved Backstab and Shuriken Storm exist tho

[north schooner]

I dunno how you can manage and have discussions with him, unless you are suffering from low blood pressure and he is the cure

[swift tinsel]

it's kinda fun ngl

[carmine portal]

Can we get a talent called Frontstab that makes Backstab work from the Front

Instead of the Back

[swift tinsel]

his head is permanently stuck like a decade behind where the game is so all of his points are bad lol

[north schooner]

no you don't understand. Just because they designed rogue in some way back in cata, it has to still be designed around that

[swift tinsel]

oh shit you right

mb

also Relentless Strikes would fix every energy issue for outlaw and sin but energy isn't an issue

legendary mafic take

if you contradict yourself no one else can do it for you

[north schooner]

you have to be lenient with him, he has made over 20k posts in there and the brain can only rot so much

[swift tinsel]

I'm convinced its actually the smoothest marble

good ideas just roll right off

[north schooner]

i said it before too but blizzard should give him class designer privileges for a day

[swift tinsel]

watching him and Xaethron go at it is cinema

omg as long as its in a little pocket dimension where it can't actually affect the game

bc rogue would literally become the worst iteration

[north schooner]

it will be midnight's final rogue design

[swift tinsel]

I will delete my rogue if Mafic designs any part of it

[north schooner]

realz is busy with the 3rd DH spec, mafic will be subbed in

[swift tinsel]

that's some Black Mirror shit

outlaw would lose RtB

sin would have infinite energy

sub would be pooling energy for big burst windows!

[north schooner]

you mean outlaw will go back to being combat as originally designed

[swift tinsel]

like vanilla combat

[north schooner]

combat daggers

[swift tinsel]

yeah that's his vision i stg

also you have enough talent points to spec into every single node

and all nodes are tuned up 500%

bc tuning fixes all of our tree problems

[north schooner]

PV and Fatal Intent might be worth a point

[swift tinsel]

idk if he knows what hero talents are or do bc he hasn't done any content this xpac

[north schooner]

not sure about Fatal Intent tbh - might need more

[swift tinsel]

maybe he's one of them Goldshire types

[north schooner]

he has some weird outlaw spec with no UHUH and Blade Rush and other weird things. Not sure what he does with his rogue

[swift tinsel]

dude his outlaw spec is so goofy I looked at it once and it explained so much

[north schooner]

I simmed his spec at 800k ST but it was with pvp gear on

[tulip badger]

Hi, if swapping from sin to sub, with no HoC but myth signet, should i still play it on 1 :30min cd or wait to 2?

[swift tinsel]

like sure play the game your way and spec how you want, but don't tell other people how to play the game if you clearly don't understand it

[swift tinsel]

can farm pvp trinket

if you use signet you'd have to play it like a 3min trinket

[tulip badger]

Have it on champ track

So next season go for it again?

[swift tinsel]

can you get hoc with dinar?

[tulip badger]

Nope

[north schooner]

oh, right he also went down the middle path of outlaw but didn't pick KIR

pro cook

[north schooner]

next season there will be a few more choices for sub trinkets if you can wait

[void ocean]

thats a weird lookin sub tree

[fallow nimbus]

He clearly is on to something

[tulip badger]

Sure i can wait, maybe swap later

Thxx

[north schooner]

this season was a bit cursed with active trinkets

[hazy breach]

Then you'd play it like a 3 minute trinket

Which is not ideal

[lilac stag]

Would need to be approved by Ronkley

[lilac stag]

No joke, I feel like that is the tag line every ptr cycle for sub when it comes to tier, trinkets and overall interactions.

[left ledge]

whats up balancing team

lets get a quick 50% buff to deathstalker's tier set (and another 10% buff to sin)

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-sped-up-sonic-sonic-exe-gif-14436121552651885075

[keen dome]

50% to BP you mean

[left ledge]

thats more DS funnel

[glad anvil]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

Choosing violence today I see.

[vestal escarp]

Fix sub and DS skyrockets 📈

[lilac stag]

if it’s actually fixed I wouldn’t be mad.

I’m sure they’re working on it right meow.

[swift tinsel]

how ya gonna funnel if you gotta swap marks around to avoid proccing DN

[lilac stag]

#subtlety message

[bleak night]

You get to funnel 2 targets

Holy sub is op wtf

[swift tinsel]

omg so true

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1365042674842992660/9l2o5h-ezgif.com-reverse.gif

[lilac stag]

need the surfing sticker.

[swift tinsel]

fix DS and sub skyrockets*

[keen dome]

we're gonna get a kyveza animation patch any day now

[swift tinsel]

its coming today

🔮

[keen dome]

hell yeah

[sullen hare]

surely

[clever delta]

dont you dare guys jump me today

[keen dome]

Big dam

[sullen hare]

Not fair, today was the 24 renown 3% buff

[keen dome]

at least there's no paragon

[lilac stag]

Depending on the fix. Yes.

[keen dome]

in which direction

[lilac stag]

He didn’t say torpedos. Sky is up unless you’re an Aussie.

we only have one of those afaik

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/god-damn-gawd-dayum-baylon-outloud-gif-8102618485420914343

what’s it like to have tanks that can bait the adds to one spot?

[chrome palm]

i hate you

[clever delta]

i dont think we had boss on adds single time

just timing was good

[lilac stag]

high rolls?

[chrome palm]

how long was boss alive after burn

[lilac stag]

Our kill this week boss died as flag was coming back

[chrome palm]

i keep getting demoic 4:30 kills

[clever delta]

boss was like 7% after burn

[lilac stag]

Send at 2 mins or 130?

[clever delta]

2

[lilac stag]

healthy burn then

https://tenor.com/view/noice-brooklyn-ninenine-b99-smile-gif-11928987

[clever delta]

i was on this boss on first kill and than i did not see it for like 3 months 😄

[lilac stag]

We didn’t see it for about the same until last week. Haha

Full reclear or just 4?

[finite carbon]

checkmate

👍

🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♀️

[swift tinsel]

like peanut butter and jelly

[finite carbon]

hemlo haptic

arahgon

nice to meet u

[swift tinsel]

ohai

[finite carbon]

[swift tinsel]

how do I know you're not just a paladin alt...checkmate

[finite carbon]

your right

apparently

i have

192081972219812 alts

your my alt

xae is my alt

lok is my alt

[swift tinsel]

damnit thats right I forgot I was you

[finite carbon]

shiros my alt

my alt list is endless surely

i have gained a new alt

[swift tinsel]

lmao necroing a post from january was not on my Mafic bingo card

https://tenor.com/view/archer-cyril-classic-misdirection-misdirection-gif-14536847

[slate marlin]

Sub rogue news on wowhead but its mop

[lean cradle]

1st 19 done as sub and fk man how painfull it is to just bursts your cds and still no dmg compared to assa where u just are present and kaboom 😦

[lilac stag]

Don’t worry

It won’t get any better next tier

[lean cradle]

[lusty epoch]

Is sub veeeery proc dependent ir what? I feel like i do the exact same rotation every time but my opener can change from 7,5-12m dmg.

I guess a combination of shadow technique procs, flawless form, winning streak and just how many crits you get from SecTec?

[lilac stag]

Least dawn breaker is a good sub dungeon.

[lusty epoch]

I feel like there's no consistency, or am i playing badly?

[lilac stag]

rng gonna rng. If your opener is like the picture you’re doing it right

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[steel horizon]

Had me in the first half ngl

[north schooner]

BP buffed

[swift tinsel]

lmao

just saw that

need to get home and check if nimble bugs got fixed too