subtlety

[keen dome]

Double crafted simmed better for me so it's gonna depend on your gear.

[alpine wraith]

depends on gear

[keen dome]

high5 hacha

[alpine wraith]

so always sim and if it says 7k increase it is

[steady dune]

sweet, thank yall. Think ill just bang it out and get the extra ilvl increase too lol

[keen dome]

The stamina is nice

[steady dune]

2 rings and cloak is the only thing thats not myth track

[sharp kernel]

Is there a Dark brew build?

[lilac stag]

We have 1 build.

and a bunch of useless spec tree talents

[vale pine]

you can vary slightly but it makes little diffrence

[sharp kernel]

Just having a friend test the build with a vdh in group so most of the damage is being enhanced further by the magic debuff

[tribal blade]

oh i know that tank haha

he plays with zimbita

he really lives up to his name, i remember he once had a key listed with "it's resil, but my patience is not"

[lilac stag]

You can sim that in raidbots.

you’re giving up 2-3 other points for generally worse talents to get more rupture and nature dmg.

[sharp kernel]

He was tied basically between that and the normal build, his spike was a little higher in aoe and single but you just don't do shit outside cds lol

[lilac stag]

I’m going to assume he’s not playing the spec correctly in keys

[tribal blade]

i honestly find it kinda funny a lot of people keep trying to reinvent sub talents

[lilac stag]

and refer you back to sims for actual math

[tribal blade]

unfortunately we don't have a tree that supports that

[lilac stag]

Vs antidotal data from 2 keys

and a shit ton of testing by this discord

If they enjoy it, by all means play it

just play DS Darkbrew and go full tilt

[tribal blade]

DS darkbrew discount knockoff sin

that's way worse

teehee

[lilac stag]

idk if you even give it that much praise

[lilac stag]

tbh I think it’s a combo of people “coming back” from DF & overthinking what the 5% buff actually did

[tribal blade]

yeah true

would be really cool if we were able to actually experiment with talent builds

instead of being full locked to 1 build varying by 1-2 points

[lilac stag]

sorry that’s the other spec

[sharp kernel]

He did like 3.6M overall in both keys, one was just a 13 and the other was a 15

[lilac stag]

and?

[tribal blade]

3.6 is quite low sorry to say

depending on the key actually

[sharp kernel]

Rookery

[tribal blade]

i haven't done a full run of rook as sub in a very long time, so honestly not sure what numbers sub does in there

but most specs are breaking 4 mil in rookery

[lilac stag]

I’d expect to see 4-4.3 from what gets posted in here

[tribal blade]

yeah the last time i did 18 rookery i did 4.26 mil, and that was with me afk 1 pull to go swap to sub for last boss

[lilac stag]

but I also don’t expect people to manage CDs in keys properly.

[tribal blade]

i had to ask the group to link details because it gets reset if you hearth out haha

honestly kinda funny i kept up with the other 2 people in the key being afk an entire pull

[lilac stag]

on a side note, I think I’m outta jail 4 Tuesday

[tribal blade]

nice!

[lilac stag]

back to assa

[warm marlin]

[tribal blade]

WELCOME TO THE DARK SIDE

(it's pretty chill)

[lilac stag]

we’re so close. I can muster the strength and courage for one night of assa

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

I believe in you killing it

[tribal blade]

just make sure you hold DM for execute

[lilac stag]

well do the 3 min ish lust

[tribal blade]

iirc DM came up for me around the 43%ish point

[lilac stag]

It’ll either be sent KB at 4 or send em both depending leaving now health.

3 heal I’m assuming we’re at execute at 4 mins

Maybe not.

[tribal blade]

honestly no idea

i just stabby boss

[warm marlin]

doing 3min strat we're holding lust for 4mins

[lilac stag]

which to me makes sense

but idk. They’ll figure out the maths

[tribal blade]

we do the hold so we can break out 2 adds with finger guns

[lilac stag]

Of what they want to do

[tribal blade]

/dead

[warm marlin]

that hold is soo bad if u can do the 3min push

i swear

[tribal blade]

eh we don't really have much problems killing mugzee

[lilac stag]

I just said take me out of a jail in execute. Let me cleave and funnel.

[tribal blade]

so i don't think we needed to change anything

[warm marlin]

yea i mean its not gonna be the difference between killing or not

but leaving the adds up and pushing at 3mins is both less annoying and reduces raid damage in p2

compared to holding to break them out and killing them

[tribal blade]

true true

[lilac stag]

the dmg is what we need to avoid. Missing our disc on Tuesday

[tribal blade]

i think my RL doesn't want to change anything for reclears

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/soft-kobe-bryant-no-smh-shaking-my-head-gif-18860898

[tribal blade]

bandit we did change

but bandit we also had a WAY harder time progging than mugzee

[warm marlin]

in the span of 3 weeks we went from the original 4 heal 5min push to the 4 heal 4min push to the 3 heal 3 min push

[lilac stag]

are your logs public?

Can you send me a link?

[tribal blade]

so next the 2 heal 2 min push

[warm marlin]

yea but i been playing sub reclears recently

[tribal blade]

and then 1 heal 1 min push

and then 0 heal 0 min push

[lilac stag]

It won’t matter. The timings for assa are whatever. I was jail destroyer on pull and last set as sub.

I’ll go In jail 1 to RP warlock pet

[warm marlin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jDf29tcWgpV6ab8w?fight=37&type=damage-done

this was this week (i inted a bit)

[lilac stag]

Thanks

[tribal blade]

how dare you not be perfect always at every single waking second

[warm marlin]

lol i mean im pretty sure i got double stunned during blades in the intermission

pig behaviour

[tribal blade]

having cheat on mugzee so good

i thoroughly enjoyed watching people get shot in the face by him spinning while stunned

[hazy breach]

Btw the extra 5% buff is still active on ptr so when 1.7 launches its probably gonna be active for a bit until they fix it

[warm marlin]

extra buffed logs sitting all of 11.7

[hazy breach]

@tribal blade After some rough sessions we finally got some score last night Only need ToP now for resi 19

We gamin

[lilac stag]

Maybe to offset whatever previous fixes stop working. Welcome back RS Bug.

emotional damage

[hollow spear]

Inb4 they use the PTR damage to adjust balance

[hazy breach]

Nah they just forgor

[lilac stag]

I’m also going to need you to delete the message about ptr

[hazy breach]

Version controll aint their strong suite lately

[hollow spear]

US will pump out parses

[hazy breach]

Also the belt is still kinda stinky

So its gonna get buffed

[hollow spear]

Then they'll fix it and EU can suck a phat one 😄

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/mib-men-in-black-skyrim-oh-you're-awake-flash-bang-gif-16585639602563679097

[hazy breach]

And in a completely shocking turn of events the best procs on the belt are the mastery and vers ones

Who wouldve thought

[lilac stag]

damn. I so was hoping for haste

change things up a bit

[tribal blade]

NIIIICE

it has been a shitty few days for keys for me

came very close to timing 18 workshop but the healer died at the end of last boss

and then only bres dies immediately after

then mage dies trying to bres

then i die trying to bres

🙂

[hazy breach]

Oof

[tribal blade]

that was the run too, we got to P2 of last boss with like 4:52 on the timer

0 deaths on 3rd boss

i've been running all my pug keys as cleave hybrid

only running bleed with my group if they request it

i can imagine 19 top is a shitty key to time

[hazy breach]

Im playing as much sub as i can, so probably gonna play sub in the ToP

[tribal blade]

oooo

[hazy breach]

DFC, Workshop and ToP

[tribal blade]

i have yet to try sub in DFC

[hazy breach]

But i dont think its actually better for overall in DFC

Its just that 60% of the key is candelking

And its better there

[tribal blade]

yeah candle king is a crazy fight, the hps check is nuts

oh for DFC how do you do 1st pull as sub

since it's a long ass walk followed by the knock circle

[hazy breach]

I dont start my burst until after the knock usually

Send a kidney on a caster or the stoneguy

[tribal blade]

ok gotcha

[hazy breach]

Feels kinda ass anyway

Ngl

[tribal blade]

yeah massive feels bad lol

don't get to pad on the shitters

[hazy breach]

Atleast its easy to kill the minecarts

[tribal blade]

i swear i can't stand small shitters mobs in M+

true, playing sin on that boss feels so bad

for target swapping

are you BPing the adds on that boss

or just full prio evising

[hazy breach]

Na the adds dont matter

Theyll die to the cart or the roof falling anyway

[rocky ocean]

details dps is the most important stat

[hazy breach]

Not relevant for this boss, but you can also just not apply caustic to make your funnel targets live longer

[tribal blade]

oo interesting

[hazy breach]

On like swampface with divers in floodgate or something

IPA/Kultharok type shit

[tribal blade]

i'm honestly not sure if i'd be able to, the urge to press mut to apply spatter has been so deeply engrained

after doing stuff like going into burst and realizing halfway through i never applied spatter

[brittle plinth]

When did sub learn mutilate?!

[vale pine]

[brittle plinth]

What is this heresy?!

[lilac stag]

M+ assa allowed here

[brittle plinth]

#assassination = assassination for raid
#subtlety = assassination for m+

[lilac stag]

#assassination = cat picts & anime

[brittle plinth]

Outlaw doggo pics and sports?

[lilac stag]

no. I can’t use the proper words here without filter evading or getting a ban..

Sub get the doggo pictures (ex: my girlie).

[gilded pier]

Hello people so quick question, i am new to sub rogue started this monday, at 3k rio and so on, my jastor ring is only 671 cause its hero should i switch it out with a crafte 681 on with versa mastery, maybe crit? (my stats atm are 106% Mastery, 21% Versa, 3% Tempo annnnd 18% crit)

[fleet wharf]

question about OAB. We don't pad on adds as sub right (like we never target away from oab right)? On a related note, exactly how does blade flurry work? is it in aoe around you?

[lilac stag]

Typically at this point you just cleave off boss unless your range sucks.

[lilac stag]

Sim it.

[fleet wharf]

Thanks for the response. Flurry's just a circle around your character right?

[quaint lodge]

Yes

[hollow spear]

I'm losing 9k sim dps if I switch from the crit blasphemite to the speed one. I think that's unironically good

[hazy breach]

Turns out 0.15% crit dps is not very relevant

[fleet wharf]

!improvement

!improve

what's the command again?

[hollow spear]

Yeah, 9k is nothing in the greater scheme of things

[hazy breach]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals of during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[bleak night]

gigachad speed gem user

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[fleet wharf]

I dunno, coming from spriest, I feel speed is better than a miniscule increase to crit damage isn't it?

[bleak night]

realistically rogue is already fast enough without it

but we can be faster

https://tenor.com/view/şşşüüüüşşş-gif-27139933

[fleet wharf]

no such thing as too much mobility

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[fleet wharf]

Quick question about macros and whatnot. I have two separate binds for sec tech, one without anything else bound to it, another with CB bound to it. Would it be a bad idea to have symbols bound to the CB macro?

[hollow spear]

Yes

[fleet wharf]

I know that's the common wisdom, but I'm not seeing it. Wouldn't I always want the CB'd sec tech to also benefit from symbols?

[hollow spear]

Yes, but sometimes (or often), we press symbols in our second dance during blades and use evis before we use sectec

(because of the cdr required to get sectec back up)

[fleet wharf]

I was just doing a log analysis of some kills today and doing some comparison to the !mistakes screenshot, but couldn't the 2nd symbosl move to where CB is though?

[hollow spear]

Not impossible

But I wouldn't bother

Just use symbols separately

[fleet wharf]

Yea, I think that's the next thing I'm trying to wean myself off of is to stop using the dance+symbols macro altogether

It is nice to press once in the opening though, haha.

(I have symbols and dance bound separately, I'm not just pressing the macro all the time)

[hollow spear]

That should be a goal for sure

[fleet wharf]

It was kind of odd how long it took my brain to use a separate bind for CB, but i only started working on that because apparently it was a decent bit of dps loss to just have CB bound to sec tech

[hollow spear]

Yeah, our cds are just so important

[fleet wharf]

I did a quick check on lorrgs, but it seems like CB basically is a 1.5 min cd for us?

[hollow spear]

Yeah, the gain of using it on a mini burst vs the loss of messing it up for your flag burst is not worth

[short radish]

based 8% extra speed enjoyer

[short radish]

if it makes it easier. you keep your naked sectech on teh same bind

and make a new one for the CB sectech bind

[fleet wharf]

Yup, that's what I ended up doing. I'm still thinking I want to add symbols to the CB sectech bind

[short radish]

do not

[fleet wharf]

Could you elaborate a bit more though? I'm looking at the !mistakes screenshot and I don't see why it's bad to move the symbols from after the backstab to sstrike

[hazy breach]

If you have rotten sure you get slightly more damage from critting with strike

But you lose 0.5s uptime from inev

Which you are going to overcap by using your next symbols before pandemic anyway if you delay

[fleet wharf]

oh I see. So the way it's posted on the !mistakes screenshot, that maximizes the Symbols uptime including pandemic buff right?

[hazy breach]

Its also just way easier to use them at the same time

[fleet wharf]

by "them" you mean sdance and symbols?

[hazy breach]

Or wait, are you talking about the second symbols

[fleet wharf]

yes, 2nd symbols. Because right now I have 2 binds for dance

[hazy breach]

Ok ye its to supercharge sectech

[fleet wharf]

that shouldn't cause issues to bind cb and symbols together right?

[short radish]

sometimes you may need to press it earlier

rarely

and usually if you fuck up

but it happens

[hazy breach]

What

[fleet wharf]

well I was thinking about adding symbols to the bind because I was fucking up my symbols usage, lol

[hazy breach]

You wouldnt CB symbols no

[fleet wharf]

so I have a sec tech bind, another one for sec tech+ cb

[hazy breach]

Ye

[fleet wharf]

I'm thinking about adding symbols to the 2nd one, so I don't have the fuckups I made today where I don't benefit from the super charger on my juiced sec tech

[hazy breach]

Would not recommend

Delays your sectech

The reason youre using symbols like in that picture is because the cooldown of sectech is ~10 seconds

So you can use it next global

If you dont, youll have 2-3s left on it

So you have to strike > evis before you can use it again

[fleet wharf]

Right, but my symbols and cb wouldn't be bound to dance, so I don't think I'd be losing sec tech uptime or usage from doing this

[hazy breach]

?

It has nothing to do with dance

[lucid jackal]

Just don't do it

It's bad, trust us

[hazy breach]

The reason were not recommending a bunch of macros isnt because were elitist and hate macros

Its because theyre losing you dps

[fleet wharf]

alright, you guys are the experts. I do feel I am getting more used to the sub cd rotations with more practice these days though

[short radish]

attalad

just keep hitting d ummies

it should be largly muscle memory

[hazy breach]

Like CB should absolutely be redesigned so that its passive and you dont need to press it the way you do right now

But alas, thats not how the spec works rn

[bleak night]

cb tied to symbols and effects your next two finishers

huge

[fleet wharf]

I do like that we can play it in raid without feeling like you're griefing other people's time now though

[short radish]

never was

just had to play better 🙃

[bleak night]

or play so badly it doesnt matter what spec you're on

thats my trick

[fleet wharf]

I am legit not getting how to play assassination, it's kind of troubling lmao

[short radish]

press enveom

keep up bleeds

????

profit

[fleet wharf]

so you only fill your gcds with button presses during your burst phases

and when you don't have kingsbane up, you just press 3 button every 5 seconds or so?

[short radish]

uhhh

probably best to go to #assassination

but yeah

outside burst

you just maintain bleeds

[fleet wharf]

yea, I'll prolly do that, but I'd rather play sub

[bleak night]

i mean you just press buttons when you have the energy to press them'

and watch something on your second monitor

[fleet wharf]

but then you burn through your tea and are sad in the next burst phase when you have nothing to press

[short radish]

pool before you send

[bleak night]

you dont play around tea whatsoever

and you pool to about 150 energy before your kingsbane anyway

[fleet wharf]

don't you also need to go into burst with some tea charges?

[hazy breach]

Nop

[short radish]

no

tea doesnt matter

[fleet wharf]

hm, might explain something lmao

[short radish]

but also fuck playing that stinky spec

[fleet wharf]

don't you kind of have to play sin for progging mugzee tho?

[short radish]

no

you dont have to play anything

you can play whatever you enjoy

unless you are like

top 20 or something

whatever is the best spec that you play

is fine

[fleet wharf]

I see. so at this point of gear inflation, just do whatever the fuck you want and it should be fine is what I'm taking away from this?

[short radish]

yes

assi had the niche of having really good excute damage

but it also kinda doesnt really matter anymore

your wiping because of a lack of damage

is not because you didnt play assi

[fleet wharf]

!symbols

[short radish]

but because your raid had 3 people dead

blah blah but you should min/max whatever you can

[fleet wharf]

I'm about to trial for a guild next week on the rogue, will see how it goes

[short radish]

yeah but youre in a WR 1k+ guild so theres way more things to min max than swapping specs

half the ppl in the raid at that level

[fleet wharf]

Insightful

[short radish]

probably dont press buttons correctly

or have never hit a target dummy once in their life

[fleet wharf]

lol, harsh but prolly true

[short radish]

i'll doom a lot about sub

on how its pretty shit atm

and guy will come in here and say sub is fine

[bleak night]

or your guild might make you go into gaols and make playing assa pointless anyway

[short radish]

and he's largely correct

[bleak night]

[short radish]

we may be "bottom" on damage

at least i think we still are

but the variance is so whatever

it doesnt matter

and if your RL says "why aren't you playing assi?"

tell him ravenholdt said you could play sub and its fine

people also need to remember that parsing is only against the spec theyre playing

so if they play a spec that does slightly more damage, but theyre very more shit at it

theyre gonna perform the same except now they are a green parser

[fleet wharf]

just to clarify going into gaol fucks you because you don't really get to stack kingsbane?

[lucid jackal]

Sins value on mugzee is less relevant snow because the fight isn't a super hard, stop dps, and then lust then kill strat anymore

[short radish]

i swear guy has a bot to notify him the mention of the word "guy"

[bleak night]

lmfao

you put the word doom and sub in the same sentence

and summoned him

[short radish]

dw i pre-wrote for him so he wouldnt have to say anything this time

[lucid jackal]

[short radish]

[warm marlin]

you need to vanish to reapply your deathstalker's mark via ambush, you need to reapply all your dots, if you already pressed kb you are not gonna be able to stack it, assa can cleave both goons from outside the gaol already so you really don't want to go in the gaol

[short radish]

fuck get me out i dont want to read about deathstalkers mark

this was supposed to be a safe space

[fleet wharf]

huh, TIL. thank you

[bleak night]

[warm marlin]

assa going into a cage is quite miserable

[fleet wharf]

we can be deathstalker too no?

as sub I mean

[warm marlin]

if you somehow get 2 cages within 2 mins and don't have vanish back up

it is OVER

[short radish]

yeah but just because we can

[fleet wharf]

not that you'd want to now i guess

[short radish]

doesnt mean we should

[short radish]

honestly just run into a mine at that point

and go my bad

[fleet wharf]

is it still like 5% behind trickster?

[short radish]

its 500000% behind trickster dont even think about it

[lucid jackal]

Only outlaw deals good damage inside a cage

Both sub and sin are spectators

[warm marlin]

back when we were doing the 4min push you could hold a dance for it reasonably (i was hard assigned)

my damage wasn't so bad to the goons then

[lucid jackal]

Rather kill myself than save a dance for that mechanic

[warm marlin]

didn't end up delaying flag

[lucid jackal]

its the principal of it

[short radish]

💯

[bleak night]

real

[warm marlin]

iirc we were also holding dps

so it double made sense to dance the goon

[short radish]

hold deez nuts

[warm marlin]

idk not the end of the world imo

i am happier now with 3min push and being outside the cages

[short radish]

yeah

3min push is comfy

last flag can line up with adds as well

[lucid jackal]

Yeah we hold damage right for my 3rd flag It's awful

[warm marlin]

if i get the 430 cage i just sit there and stack sht auto attacking away

[short radish]

damage

i love double damage

[warm marlin]

our last kill i timed my flag perfectly for cb sectec to come up as the finger gun to break the shields on the double electro shockers on boss just to watch a fellow melee walk the gun off the adds

[bleak night]

lmfao

[lucid jackal]

Pain

[short radish]

painnnn

[warm marlin]

is this cuz ur triple selling or something guy

[lucid jackal]

ya lol

[warm marlin]

tragic

[short radish]

ecks dee

[hidden ingot]

Hey guys, I've been trying sub these last few days and notice I don't have a WA that shows how many mobs are in range, do you have any?

[lucid jackal]

weakauras like that are very taxing on your frame rate

Wouldnt suggest it

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[lucid jackal]

But if u insist

[hidden ingot]

I can give it a try, if it hurts my fps I can just disable it, thank you!

[upper narwhal]

I did not know it was bad for frames, gonna try turning it off now lol

[plush roost]

Haha yeah he stole that quote from me on god. Dudes impressed me tho, we were in priory prison for 5 hours but his mental was strong the entire time. Its his first season playing the game

Did indeed time 19 priory with the zeross Zac comp

[hollow spear]

You'd probably not get out another one if you guys went full blast, no? Fimbul's guild finishes before 6 minutes.

[brittle plinth]

https://wago.io/NyFFoF1mQ

Do not recommend using it but it's your game

[serene notch]

is there a known UI bug with Echoing void still showing up as an aura, even after you have replaced it with another head enchant?

looks like ui only i dont see echoing void damage in the meters

[frosty bramble]

It’s because you have 9 stacks of it and just replaced it, does go away if you relog

[graceful crown]

the bug of "the rotten" using its 2 charges with shuriken storm is a joke

how is this still not fixed

[serene notch]

nope it sticks around

i clicked it off and it stayed off

prob some way to abuse it though, but not super interested in figuring it out

[gilded pier]

i totally forgot that this is a thing lol

[rocky ocean]

[lucid jackal]

Its just one of those kinda random mostly irrelevant bugs that go under the radar because it's not a deal breaker

[graceful crown]

yeah i know is not that much but still

meh

[honest basin]

Spec working as intended

[lilac stag]

The more you play sub the quicker you’ll accept that we’re just going to have bugs, and they randomly get fixed and randomly show back up.

[graceful crown]

True

[alpine wraith]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[brittle plinth]

Truer words have not been spoken

It's part of the class fantasy

Randomly vanish and reappear

[tribal blade]

hell yeah nice

[alpine wraith]

big

[plush roost]

Haha this was my little resilient social experiment

[hazy breach]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1333777530758496316/1381044523064496303/image.png?ex=68461570&is=6844c3f0&hm=1bd202d3e4106db170a5b289bd9391bffa451be266feffaab7cf279e869151a8&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=23&height=103

What about this comp

I timed a ToP 19 with it

[steel jolt]

double rogue

[tribal blade]

holy shit the double rogue dream

[plush roost]

Double rogue is good

Rogue cranks

[tribal blade]

LOL SAPH AHAHHAAH

[hazy breach]

The blood and havoc is the more suspect ones

[tribal blade]

i know who she is

that's hilarious

[hazy breach]

But either way we got the bag, cant complain

[plush roost]

Bdk in 2025 omegalol

[hazy breach]

Resi 19

[tribal blade]

goddamn i'm the presence of 2 19 resil people

i'm so PUNY

[plush roost]

Bro I can't even play with Kyrasis because bdk just can't live these pulls its so cursed

[hazy breach]

Oof

[plush roost]

Bro is THE bdk

[tribal blade]

yeah the yoyoing bdk hp is real

[plush roost]

Pretty good in top, mecha tho

Immortal dk ams kujo

[tribal blade]

is this another season where bdk can't mess up a gcd or they're dead

[plush roost]

Yr

Ye

[tribal blade]

tragic

[alpine wraith]

yea priory has several 6 mobs+ that white swing hard

so bdk is banned

[plush roost]

And they have to use nitro boost engi boots to do skips

And to kite big white swing pulls

Lmfao

[alpine wraith]

as vdh you can sigil and run like a little bitch

[tribal blade]

lol that's actually amazing

[alpine wraith]

dk can drop their aoe but ges no aggro

[plush roost]

Bdk opener in mechagon,
Social front pack
Bloodboil front pack and rightside pack
Get into middle and healthpot to gather aggro

Amazing gameplay

[tribal blade]

that first pull is the bane of my existence

trying to maintain 100% uptime super fun

[hazy breach]

Playing assa on that pack

Is not particularly fun

Needing to target swap all the time because the mobs just die

[tribal blade]

yeah it sucks

that's the one part of the dungeon i wish i was still bleed haha

as bleed you can just spread as much as possible, shiv and then do whatever after

vanish>spread again

chef's kiss

[hazy breach]

Ye cleave is just, ugh

[tribal blade]

just wiped on 3rd boss of 18 workshop

we had deaths

but the boss was just living forever until there were a billion saws out

[hazy breach]

So much gaming required on that boss

[tribal blade]

you can at least live saws with feint on an 18

but yeah that boss is an absolute nightmare

that boss desperately needs a nerf

if you could nerf that boss in any way, which would you choose

[hazy breach]

Prob no fire circles or no grenade (the blue circle)

[tribal blade]

that would be good

the fact that there's like 3 seperate 1 shot things on the fight all overlapping each other is nuts

[alpine wraith]

speedshroud stonks

[tribal blade]

i suppose yeah

BUT also the fact that every single M+ mob has truesight now haha

[lilac stag]

excuse me, it’s just the elites.

[alpine wraith]

some mobs that have truesight you can sap tho

it is a bit funny

[lilac stag]

I swear the true sight in visions is nearly doubled in range.

[light marlin]

any advice for getting into m+ sug? my ST on bosses is insane but i cant figure out how to do damn in packs that flag isnt up for

[lilac stag]

Sug?

number one mistake is not using CDs aggressively enough. Outside of that the spec is just “good” in keys. Too much work for most people when you can typically do much better as assa or outlaw as CD management is near non-existent comparatively.

Think of the dungeon as one boss encounter instead of each pack being a separate encounter.

[vestal escarp]

Ah yes shroud

Weaker mindsoothe

[vale pine]

good morning beautiful people, how is the game treating you?

[keen dome]

I stepped on a rock and it disconnected me

So a solid 6/10 today.

[tribal blade]

timed an 18 flood today

1 step closer to 18 resil

[keen dome]

Hell yeah!

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-skywalker-palpatine-is-it-possible-learn-this-power-gif-17185041

[jade urchin]

im doin myth gally tonight, whats the reason for the ~35 second delay of first cds? is it still worth to do that?

[warm marlin]

allows you to pad on adds harder

well "pad" on adds, it is helpful to have technicians/wrenchmongers die within a reasonable amount of time

[limpid sage]

You can also do on pull

Should give you cds for the 2x ogre fellas that the tank can pull while he does the tank mechanic

[jade urchin]

theres some logs that just send on cds, i guess thats not good for prog

[warm marlin]

i sent on cd on prog and think its probably better

it depends on what you're wiping to

[jade urchin]

aight will find out and fuck around

tyvm

[hollow spear]

I've reduced it down from two to one dance before flag and send that around 23-25 seconds in

We kick early and I cannot get the required cdr to actually get much of my flag window overlapping with the adds

[jade urchin]

mind sending me your log so i can check dance timings?

[hollow spear]

The same as Ryldd, just one less before flag and one more after

On my phone rn, don't have my logs ready

[jade urchin]

no worries, i just see like 20 logs playing cds differently

i feel like it wont matter at this point

[hollow spear]

@warm marlin are you pooling your dance stacks to 2 for your second flag to get the back to back dance at the 3min add spawn?

[warm marlin]

ya u only send once dance between 1st and 2nd flag

and one symbol sectec

if you're only dancing once at the starting shield you can probably just dance with that symbols instead

[jade urchin]

im seeing 2 dance on shield -> 36 sec cds + 2dances -> 1 dance -> 2dance cds -> 2dance 3min adds

i think ill try that mostly

[hollow spear]

I think I'll double dance after first flag and then see if I'm far enough from the 2nd flag to send another sectec

It's really hard to stay at 2 stacks for a little. My monkey brain wants to hit that button so bad

[warm marlin]

i also dont think i overcapped before 2nd flag

i was like 2s off

[short radish]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

2nd adds came out too slow

almost had ya

got like 0 damage on 2nd lot of adds

the holding cds 30 seconds works so fucking well though

actually insane

(to do damge to adds)

[warm marlin]

noob!

[short radish]

next week

[warm marlin]

youll get it next week fs

im playing boss dmg

• extra 3%

[short radish]

oh true

but then adds die faster

[warm marlin]

if you time flag properly i think you just beat every other spec in the game no

[short radish]

yeah

(with pad)

i defs beat r1 assi

like if i had delayed my flag by 5 more seconds

[warm marlin]

i did mine too late

[short radish]

still lost to ret though

[warm marlin]

we deposit the bomb super early

[short radish]

RIP

[warm marlin]

also once we get full raid buff + delve belt etc we're just going to skip the 7min add set

itll be so joever

[tribal blade]

get used to smashing your face against a wall over and over again until either you or the wall breaks

[leaden prairie]

nice weak auras

[warm marlin]

I can link them to you if you want zac

[leaden prairie]

thats alright !

thanks tho

[tribal blade]

wait is it you i saw in dornogal the other day

[warm marlin]

ya

[tribal blade]

hahaha nice

is encervia still raiding in soma

i haven't spoken to him in ages

[warm marlin]

Not atm

[tribal blade]

damn

out of everyone i've met on wow, that guy had the most perfect youtube voice i've ever heard

swear on my life he could narrate YT videos as a job

[warm marlin]

haven’t been there super long so I’m not a big lore master but I don’t think he’s playing wow atm

[tribal blade]

ahhh gotcha

[wicked urchin]

isnt delve belt basically nothing? or is it better for us

until it’s higher ilvl ofc

[warm marlin]

idk after circlet I’m kind of expecting them to buff it by 200% 1 day before .7 drops

[tribal blade]

i really hope it's not a big power bump, i'm getting tired of reprogging key levels

[warm marlin]

No way they keep the big borrowed power of the patch so weak that it isn’t equippable week 1

[tribal blade]

i honestly think blizz needs to chill out with randomly giving us big power bumps throughout key seasons

it's exhausting

[lilac stag]

simple solution, stop pushing keys

[keen dome]

I'm getting tired fo it, too.

We don't need a Belt and boost

[lilac stag]

They need a carrot to get folks back into delves.

[keen dome]

Ye

[lilac stag]

turbo boost bumped m+ engagement. I’m sure there are accountants that are happy to have playrate going up

[vestal escarp]

You will chase cutoff until last day

Theres no escape

You will play the gated content and you will like it

🫵

[tribal blade]

IM TIRED OF KEY GRINDING GRANDPA

[vestal escarp]

get back into lfg

Dont make me pull out the belt

[tribal blade]

although the members of my group are burning out 1 by 1 right now haha

we'll see what happens

[lilac stag]

I give it 2 more resets

[short radish]

accountants don't care about play rates

please stop spreading false news

accountants don't care about anything except you trying to claim your golfing as a deduction

[vale pine]

lol

[vale pine]

nicuu, resiliant stonk goes up

[tribal blade]

it's such slow work

but i'm getting there!

[vale pine]

one dungeon at the time

nice

[twilit phoenix]

Yeah I’m thinking based

[keen dome]

Big stonks for Prophet

[tribal blade]

i broke the 3600 mark so hopefully it'll be easier to get into groups

...until i need to start doing 19s

[lethal thorn]

so the new belt seems like a dud from the early sim ?

[alpine wraith]

most of the power will come from the ramping ilvl yes

[lethal thorn]

i wonder if will see the defensiv option used to push highier keys ?

[keen dome]

It'll probably get a buff just before it launches like circlet did.

[brittle plinth]

If you're adopting a sub 3k child let me know

[vale pine]

+1 this

[void ocean]

i mean, how are we gonna finish the season without that extra dps

tho if it enables 17ppl mythic raiding, that would mean i might get CE 😄

[trail furnace]

How often should I be backstabbing? I normally only do it during shadow dance to get 1 Danse macabre stack but during flag should I be backstabbing instead of shadowstriking always?

[void ocean]

god no

once per dance is just fine

[trail furnace]

Alright

Saw a video of a guy doing like 3-4 backstabs in a row during combo and I was questioning

[brittle plinth]

I feel personally attacked

Jk

[hazy breach]

Only use if premed is up, otherwise no

If you accidently strike first gcd so you dont have premed any more you wouldnt backstab

[short radish]

Report him.

[alpine wraith]

what a trooper helping us stay down

so we get buffed again

[graceful osprey]

Maybe we should use that auto dps rotation button so that blizzard will see that we are underperforming so that they’ll give us a massive buff

[brittle plinth]

Unironically, that one button rotation may work well on bleed.

[vale pine]

the one button rotation probably works well on some other specs/classes

its just not that good for us

[alpine wraith]

energy specs are krangled because of 1.0 gcd

but maybe for some casters it is ok

[keen dome]

At least it's a % now and scales properly.

[hollow spear]

The way our cooldowns play out, it just can't really be competitive

But that's not the point of it anyway

[dry plank]

It would be so funny if blizz would balance specs around this. My god just thinking about it makes me smile

[vale pine]

I don't think they will, but maybe i am wrong

[keen dome]

It might cause them to look at how some classes behave and go "..damn." and refine them. but ye I doubt it.

it's not a system meant for everyone, but a system meant to replace people who use stuff like hekili, etc, eventually.

Also accessibilit

[clever delta]

There is still less sub parses than outlaw

How im suppose to compete in this environment

[dry plank]

Compete with your shadow (past you)

[flat wyvern]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[serene notch]

in a group never seen someone ask for a feral druid?

[hollow spear]

Maybe they're running the comp zac has been running?

[chrome palm]

Solar beam too op

[serene notch]

just thankful im getting invtes TBH, just a funny specifc request

[chrome palm]

Feral is really good in Phys comp when a boomkin doesn’t have arcane int and chaos brand

[hazy breach]

Feral is just really good in general

[serene notch]

do they gain as much as we do with skyfury?

[hazy breach]

Idk probably

[chrome palm]

They have a really good auto attack proc iirc

[brittle plinth]

Feral looks like a blast too

[steel jolt]

[bleak night]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-eating-steak-kitten-eating-kitten-cat-eating-cat-eating-steak-gif-2996353980545738963

[alpine wraith]

day 2

maybe some munching

[graceful crown]

non stop invites bruh wtf

[brittle plinth]

What happens when you sign up for 5 grps at the same time and they all instant invite?

[graceful crown]

hahaha game broke

[wild hornet]

I was actually wondering if running elusiveness would make sense to get the soaks before the 3rd soak on mugzee

[alpine wraith]

elu is always good but only if you are consistently never making mistakes

otherwise cheat saves you

[wild hornet]

well i did soak a bomb only once today so

where was the raid sheet for feint?

i dont remember if the soaks were mitigated by feint

[alpine wraith]

they are

[graceful crown]

hahaha

[wild hornet]

does feint also affect the pulsing aoe by the boss/beam after the boss charges?

[alpine wraith]

only if you talent elu

[graceful crown]

how to not finish flood 17

getting a fury and sub

F

[alpine wraith]

whoops i forgot to equip kezan in gally

and this is the last week to parse rip

[shrewd cairn]

guys

why am i shit at this video game?

[alpine wraith]

happens

[indigo pumice]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sly shore]

Partition reset 11.1.7 surely

[bleak night]

[alpine wraith]

it is donezo forever unless they take adds off

we are killing before second set almost

at 7 mins

i only had time to sec tech once

and not even the second one

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[sly shore]

We killed before they spawned today

People are killing in like 6.20-6.50 now

[alpine wraith]

my condolences

[sly shore]

Its only going to get funnier as we go

[hazy breach]

Well the 5% buff is still active on ptr so its probably gonna be live with .7 patch

[alpine wraith]

we dont have many 2 min specs

[sly shore]

I was evoker today

And i didn't realise how fast we kill

And did the hold for 3m cd usage to line up with 7m

And uhhhhh

[alpine wraith]

ah rip

[sly shore]

Lost an entire cd

[alpine wraith]

what do you even do

dragon rage at 6

[sly shore]

You just on cd

[alpine wraith]

i mean you already line up with adds at 4 right

[sly shore]

They are dead

[hazy breach]

Boss dps maxxing just sending on cd

[sly shore]

Before you can 4m

I was doing 3.55M on mugzee

[alpine wraith]

i dont even do the holding flag to 30 secs because we insta interrupt

[sly shore]

We had some accidents and 4 of us died

Including me 😦

[alpine wraith]

i got killed by ray add

tbh i could have vanished

just didnt expect that much dmg

[sly shore]

Nothing does damage now

[alpine wraith]

at like last 5%

[sly shore]

Have 90-95% uptime on the embellish buff

[alpine wraith]

yea same

[clever delta]

We had 9min kill timer on last kill ::DD

like 9:30

[sly shore]

Idk not even playing rogue this week

Would rather play evoker in raid because it has tangible upgrades

[alpine wraith]

and actually does dmg

crazy

[sly shore]

Its also fun

I decided ill stick to dev evoker main alt

Rather than flip flopping and undecided

[graceful crown]

how evoker is fun

atleast in ST are 2 skills

haha

[bleak night]

flameshaper is fun

big engulfs

[sly shore]

Cos its more in depth than you think

And min max movement is fun

And the clipping is interesting

[graceful crown]

feels like a retri to me

[sly shore]

Fun is fortunately subjective

[graceful crown]

true

[bleak night]

ret is fun

[graceful crown]

more than evoker to me ye, apm haste playtime and 30s windows are cool

[sly shore]

That's basically evoker

[graceful crown]

unghh

[bleak night]

[sly shore]

Its cd duration is 38s every 2 mins

[graceful crown]

but you are a caster KEKW

[sly shore]

And like I said, more in depth than you think

[graceful crown]

neh

i have one at 670 and feels clunky

never touched it again

[sly shore]

Maybe youre just bad at it

Like I am

[graceful crown]

again KEKW

[sly shore]

Im good enough to do 8/8 on farm

Splits will be different

And i will plan better defensive than I do now

[trail furnace]

made an insanely braindead simple WA that will glow + beep sound when Coup de Grace is active since I've always had a hard time seeing it sometimes and I like to make sure I symbols it, anyway, its here if anyone has similar issues seeing coup https://wago.io/AkaKq8Pk7

[hazy breach]

You do not need to supercharge it

Supercharging a coup and supercharging a regular evis gives the same amount of damage

[trail furnace]

oh shiet

well ill still keep it

so I know when to NOT symbols 😄

[hazy breach]

You dont need to not symbols it

Like it just doesnt matter

Its +3 cp either way, 7 to 10 is the same as 12 to 15

[trail furnace]

well then I will keep it as a general qol

but good to know

ive always symbol'd it cause I thought it was goated

but turns out I was the fool all along

[tribal blade]

@hazy breach just timed an 18 workshop with a lock doing the skip tech right after the 4 pack after 2nd boss

the amount of time you save is incredible

[steel jolt]

have you seen the spider skip after first boss?

[tribal blade]

nah i haven't

[steel jolt]

i think it's worse because you'd have to pull last pack but it is cool to see https://www.twitch.tv/dabnel/clip/PlacidRacyConsoleKlappa-BzESd3VaWc72CwGm?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

[tribal blade]

not sure i've even seen a pov of that one yet

oh yes this is what we did, just with gate

i think you meant to say 2nd boss 😉

[steel jolt]

yeah i guess i thought it was somewhere else

[tribal blade]

not needing the do the spider is a huge thing

and yeah doing the last pack is scary, they also chained it into the boss

[steel jolt]

that is nuts

[tribal blade]

and i got overlapped, but luckily had cloak up

so i lived

[steel jolt]

[tribal blade]

yeah not so sure about chaining 2 of those bots into last boss haha

but these guys were big gamers

[steel jolt]

sounds like it

[heady shell]

why is it so hard to get into a M+ group as subtlety rogue 😦

[steel jolt]

i think it's hard for everyone. there's always someone better

[heady shell]

Give rogue lust or brez plz

[brisk onyx]

[lilac stag]

Rogues have battle res points at the AH

[shrewd lantern]

Just dont die

[tribal blade]

it's not just sub rogues, it's rogues in general

we don't have lust/bres

so immediately it's hard to take a rogue

[heady shell]

sadge

[shrewd lantern]

Hard for any spec

dont pug

[tribal blade]

whenever you're forming a group your first consideration is getting a lust and a bres

so the meta healer is disc, which has no lust or bres

meta tank is vdh, no lust or bres

and then you'll always have like a dk or boomy or mage

and if it's the dk+boomy or some other bres class

you can't join

[shrewd lantern]

theres been an uptick of rsham

lately

[short radish]

rogue poison needs to be a 2% damage amp instead

[heady shell]

I agree

I've gotten into a couple phys groups which feel amazing

[haughty rose]

how tf is murlok deciding who shows up and who don't? my m+ rating is higher than the lowest sub rogue but i don't show up. also why are there only 42 sub rogues?

[alpine wraith]

it does not update every day iirc

i was there for a while then not

[pastel rampart]

it excludes "inactive" characters

[haughty rose]

i mean i have over 3,25k rio for multiple days now. would place me at 38. on warcraft logs i'm 170 something lol

[alpine wraith]

smh if not 3.6k not enough

but tbh i never use murloc

[tribal blade]

my thought was what if atrophic just worked differently

you apply atrophic to any mob, and it gives everyone the DR aura

but also yeah it giving a dmg amp would be cool

[short radish]

Yeah even hunters have one now (for the last expansion or 2)

the only other ones that have a non defensive is

priest which has 5% hp
paladin which has same as us but all 3 specs
warlock which is one of the most essential raidbuffs

and evoker i guess

but fuck evokers

they arent people

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[short radish]

also evokers have a healing spec

and a spec that should be deleted

why does blizzard hate rogues so much

holy shit

[lilac stag]

People would realize how much rogue is hated if 10 man mythic ever returns.

[keen dome]

I counter-balance it by loving rogue

[lilac stag]

You wouldn’t get invited to your own 10 man

[keen dome]

That's true

[ancient whale]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[tidal chasm]

We have to have the worst util for M+ at the moment right? Can't skip 50% of packs now and atrophic is mega useless

[hollow spear]

It's pretty decent in raid, unfortunately quite inconsistent

Could maybe make it a 1% dmg buff and a 2% dr

Or we could just remove all raid buffs

[tidal chasm]

I think it's important for classes to have distinguishing features but they need to promote combinations and compositions with other classes, like on sub you want War/Sham for their buffs etc. Things should synergise with other classes. X% damage reduction that sometimes works sometimes doesn't apply is boring af

[lilac stag]

You’re mistaking want shaman/warrior with NEED shaman/warrior

no spec should be as reliant as sub is on skyfury and/or battle shout

[short radish]

i had to reclear sprocket 3 times without battleshout

[formal helm]

chat, is there any sims of the delve belt so far? How good / bad is it for sub?

seen it's....somewhat bad for the most part?

[short radish]

it'll be buffed so its usable and required

dont worry

[formal helm]

[brittle plinth]

Also end up waiting forever for them to sign up to a run or find them already in a run.

[remote shuttle]

Let it get 700 ilvl and also free extra versa for us with the proc

[ashen dock]

crazy, a belt gets more love than a whole spec

make it make sense

[alpine wraith]

likely mastery is better

but all effects are very mid

also will get buffed

[warm marlin]

versa was like 0.6% vs. 0.3% for the mastery for my character

the cycling thing doesnt line up super well with flag iirc

[alpine wraith]

did you use circe?

it was like 0.8% for me

and it lines up very well for flag

you are getting most of the mastery just as you do the second sec tech

[hollow spear]

I think your profile is quite unique Hacha

[alpine wraith]

i mean i have a lot of mastery so mastery should be worse

not better than for others

so makes no sense

[hollow spear]

Idk, I have 14k mastery and my sim still prefers crit and vers

[alpine wraith]

although the vers one can highroll too

[warm marlin]

havent for weeks

[warm marlin]

ya for the first flag but the ones after i think its a bit poorly timed

[shrewd cairn]

i have a question

lets say i use hekili to play sub rogue, how much dps am i realistically losing? i just might be stupid and dont understand how to play this class

when i read about the rotation and stuff it sounds so easy, but in practice i just fumble around and do nothing at all

[iron roost]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine wraith]

no idea but also depends on your skill to actually hit the dances

a lot of people dont even use the 8 dance globals well

while learning

[tribal blade]

it would help to watch POVs of sub rogues

a lot of streamers have addons so you can follow along with what buttons they're pressing on their UI

[shrewd cairn]

hmm

[remote shuttle]

Was reading mastery uptime is bad, versa better, but i didn't check all stuff, hacha do u know something about uptimes? Am i wrong?

[iron roost]

Helllo new here

[sly shore]

crazy thing is about just how much better battle shout is than mystic touch too

and they nerfed mystic touch

[iron roost]

Any good subtlety rogue streamer i can watch ?

[sly shore]

no

[warm marlin]

when did they nerf mystic touch

[remote shuttle]

I uploaded some 15s (brew operation priory and mechagon) runs i did in the weekend on my twitch, u can check my disc profile to find link @iron roost (im not good btw, i just try to improve)

[sly shore]

no one plays it

[alpine wraith]

mastery ramps up and down

[sly shore]

when they nerfed dh debuff

from 5% to 3%

[remote shuttle]

Versa more about staying up?

[warm marlin]

no its still 5%

only dh got hit

[sly shore]

it needs a buff then cos it's DOG SHIT

[warm marlin]

the price of having shadow damage i suppose

[sly shore]

Maybe me thinking it's like 2% increase or w/e

compared to battle shout being giga mongo increase

[warm marlin]

hi lashga long time no see

[lilac stag]

@vale pine you gonna give us pretty belt sims like #assassination

[hazy breach]

No point until they buff it

[sacred yarrow]

damn that sounds like peer pressure

[alpine wraith]

it is unlikely to be more than 0.6 or so for sub for most profiles

at 700

so after patch drops

4 weeks

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780377679227650079/1143175175391674418/Viberge.gif?ex=68478a98&is=68463918&hm=9de9448ae16d7f1dc9abf02ca8c40b31de3045a4511041cabd3c74e576660fdf&

[lilac stag]

The belt or sub?

[hazy breach]

Belt

Also its gonna seem confusing since the ptr sims are 5% higher than live sims

[tribal blade]

wait what how's that possible

[warm marlin]

[lilac stag]

they didn’t hotfix ptr

[tribal blade]

ahhhhh

[lilac stag]

But we don’t know this

So stfu

[tribal blade]

DAMN

ok i'll shutup

[jade canopy]

so anyways how is weather?

[tribal blade]

it's pretty hot over here

[warm marlin]

5% chance of rain

[lilac stag]

maybe some thunderstorms

https://tenor.com/view/little-rain-tornado-rainstorm-raining-crazy-rain-blown-away-gif-10037506115030130258

[vale pine]

^ as eleem mentioned the belt is rly underperforming

[hazy breach]

Just like circlet or the dragonflight ring

Its quite bad until a couple of days before release

Where they realise they need to buff it

[alpine wraith]

yea that is when the real dev comes back from vacation

rn we only have ernesto ermenegildo

he did fix sub overbuff fast tho

or maybe it is already buffed in their internal realm

and they are just working on next raid

[fallow nimbus]

Imagine we get another accidental 5% buff when next ptr build hits live because they never fixed ptr

Because it was 10% all along

[keen dome]

Would be funny if we end up sitting at 15%

[vale pine]

unlikely

but it will be 2-5% i assume

after buffs

[tidal chasm]

Need sham, want warrior, that slavic guy is like +1 key on most people here without war save like 2 keys

idk how I guess war is less important for us than I thought

[hazy breach]

You dont need sham either

Its about the same dps as warrior

[tidal chasm]

it just feels so much better with the cp tho

[hazy breach]

In pure ST ye, but in aoe it doesnt matter that much

[warm marlin]

skyfury value goes up in dslice though compared to st

[leaden prairie]

kinda only way to get a lust

[tidal chasm]

yeah idk i think it matters in AOE for sure

[hazy breach]

Well sure but lust is stinky

[leaden prairie]

for you

[hazy breach]

[leaden prairie]

not for the group

kinda insane what lust does

group wide

[hazy breach]

It doesnt though

[alpine wraith]

instead of lust some classes should have masterful cry

40% increase mastery for 30 secs

[alpine wraith]

so we can have civil wars on which to use

or keening shout or whatever 30% crit

[leaden prairie]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[leaden prairie]

it does in fuu thing

[warm marlin]

it does in the fuu sheet

[hazy breach]

Ye but its also using some cooked talents

[crystal bone]

thats insane

[leaden prairie]

what talents should it be using

[tidal chasm]

eleem is right it is using some cooked talents lmao

[lilac stag]

Gameplay feels bad without it.

[leaden prairie]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7WPuurFQTWSJ6myMmxLjba

i took the talent of r1 sub from his 20 cinder

and its the same

[hollow spear]

Kinda embarrassing really. First, they mess up and accidentally buff us twice by 5%. Then they fix it, but not the ptr.

They'll then release it, people parse for a day and they scramble to release a hotfix.

[lilac stag]

it was a hotfix deployment. For all we know it’s fixed internally and wasn’t deployed to the ptr. Which is extremely common during their dev cycles between beta and ptr

end of the day it won’t matter.

[hollow spear]

It will mess up the perception. Again.

[lilac stag]

who cares

[hollow spear]

The 95th percentile in wowhead's article was cooked

I do

[lilac stag]

wcl doesn’t care. player base doesn’t care. 10 people in discord may care.