Interesting news to wake up to (:
#subtlety
haughty mural
lucid jackal
probably upgrade ur crafted dagger
Start spending crests on random slots, big slots first
It kinda dont matter that much tbqh, just start spending em on upgrades
civic swallow
Thanks Forever, any input on what to spend Dinar on? It'd be hero track
lucid jackal
Weapon is the highest prio but other than that, anywhere
Uhh just sim droptimizer see what it says
Probably hoc
uneven shard
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
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civic swallow
Is it still advised to get a personal recraft for 681, or okay to do public?
plush roost
So ik we all like to shitpost and say oh sub actually buffed 10% because all the sub players are back but did or did it not actually get buffed twice?
Would explain some of the cranking that occured in my keys today
ashen dock
100% intended
ashen dock
Just got an email from blizz HQ "enjoy your buff! :)"
gritty knot
Wait. I thought it was the regular trolling when some ppl wrote it got buffed 10%. So this wasnt a joke? We actually got buffed 10%? 😂
tribal blade
i just ran a 11 cinder to test sub and was like "why does this feel so dogshit right now"
and then realized no skyfury
smile
smile
smile
haughty mural
Shaman alone is enough to feel better
dusk stone
its the same or less than monk + warrior
honest saddle
yeah but it allows you to get more dances off consistently and just feels better to play
worn ivy
irrelevant but u que any arenas or nah
Buffs not affected to pvp or ?
steep raven
Can someone link a pretty geared character sim? None of the general sim lists been updated for the buff
steep raven
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2T8Hxc9gWBYm9yddqR7Cdx
Ty
haughty mural
its the same or less than monk + warrior
That’s why feel is in italics
tame stone
i sim 300k less and im only missing mythic head and 1 ring what
tame stone
just did 3 different sims
tame stone
thanks
wicked urchin
tame stone
2,86m seems much better 
alpine wraith
follow subscribe and smash that like button and idk more
dreamy pumice
do we benefit much from pi during out flag window?
alpine wraith
nope
dreamy pumice
sadge
lucid jackal
Nope
alpine wraith
better in some ways
as we are free from external nightmare
only good one is autumn kinda but on special situations
dreamy pumice
im just tryna find a way to rationalize this sp i invited to my key for some reason xd
dusk stone
4.15 in a priory 12
alpine wraith
he got buffed too
dusk stone
it was completely aids with paladin tank pulling in the worst way conceivably somehow
but yeah sub feels good
severe prism
only good one is autumn kinda but on special situations
Played with a hpal the other day, i thought my sblade+trinket macro bugged, until i realised 😄
wild vine
as we are free from external nightmare
Free from the external nightmare, yet still shackled by the shaman in random groups
dusk stone
Played with a hpal the other day, i thought my sblade+trinket macro bugged, unti...
it turns the orc racial into a 92 second cd
does anyone know of the toy that turns you from orc to human
severe prism
wait what ? i thought it was like 9s or so over the full duration
alpine wraith
it is a bit more complicated
dusk stone
i did the math awhile ago and i never tested but the cdr math said it got it to a 92 second cd
i think there's issues with it like the hpal not having it available overtime and etc but if its used on you it should make orc racial 92 seconds yeah maybe 96?
severe prism
it's a 3m cd for pala
dusk stone
thats what i just said yes
i think that you're suppose to hold flag/blades for the orc racial in that situation but i could be wrong
haughty mural
as we are free from external nightmare
Skyfury 
warm marlin
which one of you is bingusguppy
warm marlin
Hadn’t played those timings before and sent an extra dance by accident
Had to hold flag for a bit on 7 min adds 
alpine wraith
what timings changed
dusk stone
if nothing more it was good to hear happy sub noises today
warm marlin
Look at the innoxe guy or whatever his name is on lorrgs
shut ridge
i mean idk i just haven't played sub on it in quite some time
warm marlin
Very smart stuff he cooked
Basically lines flag up with the 4 min and 7 min add spawns
And u flag with first wrenchmonger spawn
haughty mural
Most ethical bp damage
warm marlin
It would be much higher if I wasn’t a little piggy
haughty mural
You get there next ID 💪
warm marlin
Btw what’s going on w sprocket
I am pretty sure I turbo highrolled but I expected some to be close at least
shut ridge
they did not afaik
warm marlin
ye I guess I expected more gamers to try it with the buff
alpine wraith
lulno
wispy bolt
!macros
shut ridge
don't worry EU will come in and erase us
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alpine wraith
!sod
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wispy bolt
ty
warm marlin
don't worry EU will come in and erase us
After it locks in 
wild vine
ye I guess I expected more gamers to try it with the buff
Even people that would potentially play sub are holding off until blizz had enough time to revert if they plan to
shut ridge
After it locks in <:EZ:690622270955323472>
warm marlin
Even people that would potentially play sub are holding off until blizz had enou...
ya I suppose
alpine wraith
dont worry
warm marlin
it wasn’t figured out until we were half done reclear already
shut ridge
glad i swapped back even if the [REDACTED] is not going to last
alpine wraith
we are still like 400k dps behind mm and others
haughty mural
don't worry EU will come in and erase us
alpine wraith
now at least we are not in always show me situation in raid
dusk stone
probably not tbh
warm marlin
I have some hope the buff will stay
alpine wraith
of course it will
dusk stone
i doubt people in sub channel are not playing sub because of a bug they dont know about
warm marlin
Sub is def quite strong with it
shut ridge
I will remain cautiously optimistic but
wild vine
we are still like 400k dps behind mm and others
Ye I expect it to stay aswell
warm marlin
But having specs still above it gives some hope of it remaining
alpine wraith
4 min kill timers are good for us
warm marlin
Not like outlaw bug levels of broken
shut ridge
either way it's giga farm at this point i'm playing what i want
dusk stone
i say we roll the dice and ask for another 5%
keen dome
Sub strong. Sub powerful. Sub 4.6% better today. 
warm marlin
yes yes 4.6% 🤐
alpine wraith
if more good people play it maybe someone highrolls higher
variance tells you can hit 3.5+
and shorter kill timer also helps
dusk stone
on a scale of 1-10 how happy are us sub rogues with the changes
haughty mural
Sub strong. Sub powerful. Sub 4.6% better today. <:coup_de_grace:123151316016352...
Who is gonna tell him
shut ridge
idk what you're talking about
haughty mural
Open your pug friend
shut ridge
amen
keen dome
Who is gonna tell him
Did they forget to push it
shut ridge
yep definitely
haughty mural
Open pin buddy (:
keen dome
haughty mural
And rejoice
shut ridge
keen dome
lmao
dusk stone
it may very well be the case that a lag spike resulted in two keypresses lol
keen dome
the most blizzard thing
haughty mural
shut ridge
I already wiped the dust off of my sub gear. Back to praying
dust
dreamy badger
Damn ill have to speedrun recraft before raid
haughty mural
Open your pug asap @keen dome
keen dome
Open your pug asap <@95119747300995072>
I've not run one for a bit 'cos of being burnt out dealing with the demonic entities that exist in group finder
haughty mural
Dang
keen dome
Just been pugging into random groups
wild vine
> dust
<a:NAILSING:1094751765162901604>
(psst, it will come back as a legendary in midnight)
alpine wraith
and i need 0 gear anyway from vault
alpine wraith
yea
haughty mural
Just been pugging into random groups
I still hope I’ll catch one of yours one day
That’ll be fun
keen dome
Ye, I'll get back to it soon!
keen dome
It'd be cool if they just left it..
haughty mural
Thinking about doing that for my alt. Just spec tank and run through the delves
Wanted to do that on my ww but somehow my brew bars are literally empty so I cba
shut ridge
(psst, it will come back as a legendary in midnight)
please don't put that on me
wild vine
Wanted to do that on my ww but somehow my brew bars are literally empty so I cba
I feel that. My bdk bars are always set up tho, bdk is just way too much fun
shut ridge
wild vine
please don't put that on me
I doubt it will. Would be questionable since they removed it for certain reasons 
grave shore
yooooo sub sooo good rn
hope they will not take back this 5%
haughty mural
alpine wraith
well they did an oopsie yea
limpid sage
wait does steeled mind reset weekly (nvm I'm stupid, it's because it's orgrimmar now)
keen dome
LET IT RIDEEEEEEE
short radish
IM SO FUCKING KEEN FOR RECLEAR
keen dome
I was going to do my morning routine but i slammed into a random pug for some ego blasting
haughty mural
Just brush your teeth and blast the pug💥
short radish
does visions give valor stones?
tribal blade
IM SO FUCKING KEEN FOR RECLEAR
don't go too hard, don't ruin my parses 🙂
ripe moon
dont go too hard or blizz will notice
fallow nimbus
Damn, raid is on Sunday this week so shit logs incoming after fix
fallow nimbus
It's how it's supposed to be
warm marlin
man now that im heroic I really want to play assa for some reason
keen dome
- I don't know what it is
- I like big number
The pug I joined is just arguing non-stop about loot. This is the best pug.
Non-stop drama
Also I was tanking the Dinosaur in Cauldron for like 45 seconds because both tanks went to the monkey side
small inlet
Is echoing void bugged? thought i read smth about it prev
void ocean
Also I was tanking the Dinosaur in Cauldron for like 45 seconds because both tan...
birds to the feather I guess
round latch
Buffs not affected to pvp or ?
buffs dont affect pvp
but i can remember playing vs u in bfa
like 2.4-2.5ish mmr
reason i was asking
fallow nimbus
Just watch them try to fix this, reverting or even nerfing us by 5% 
keen dome
What if: third 5%
keen dome
Just a week of them trying to fix it and they keep adding more 10%s
round latch
my magic ball says sub's getting another buff
fallow nimbus
Just let it stay, 11.2 isn't so far off. Who cares or plays this spec anyway 
keen dome
Same
round latch
i want it good
void ocean
its gonna be in august?
shut ridge
we are so back
keen dome
its gonna be in august?
Probably
worn ivy
buffs dont affect pvp
Yeye pvp was fun back in days i dunno now
keen dome
I think that hits the patch cadence. We might get a reveal this week or next
hollow spear
I can totally see them hotfixing it by reverting the buff altogether, then leaving us unbuffed for two weeks 
void ocean
11.0.7 was on 17th December and 11.1 on 25th Feb
keen dome
We know 11.1.7 is June.. 17th?
18th?
And then 11.2 being August would fit
Which would also fit a Q2 Midnight
naive arch
does anyone have the image that showed how to combine spells that were similar in details? like combining black powder's main damage and the secondary damage so there's no duplicates
fathom gazelle
!fuu
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void ocean
we bussin
alpine wraith
we got buffed
fathom gazelle
almost 3m damn...
clever delta
how does the mugzee trinket work? is it pure single target?
fallow nimbus
It's more st, also the gobos can pull mobs. Without the lust bonus it's also not good
alpine wraith
a lot of the budget comes from the bl use
hollow spear
It's bis in single target
alpine wraith
if the fight is short and you get bl it is very good
dreamy pumice
What we talking about them hotfixing what’s the sauce
fallow nimbus
Not if your raid prelusts
alpine wraith
yea that one too
native zodiac
@clever delta it cranks on vexxie and sprocket, otherwise i wouldnt use it
void ocean
i got bis ring for sub rogue so game is telln me to come back
fallow nimbus
That's why i play tricks and pull at 1
clever delta
shame
exotic kelp
Is echoing void bugged for sub too?
alpine wraith
for everyone last time i saw
hollow spear
It's also a gooner trinket, so I'd pick it for flavour
exotic kelp
for everyone last time i saw
ty
clever delta
the gooner trinket sim best until 6min
than its beaten by kezan
pacemaker sim kinda shit for me idk
native zodiac
St yeah, falls off if theres adds though
remote shuttle
!Bug
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lilac stag
Adds don’t exist anymore. Or 6 min fights.
alpine wraith
for pacemaker to sim well you need lots of mastery/vers
native zodiac
Adds exist if we are the ones killing them 
native zodiac
Cant wait to 1 tap the shocker guys on mugzee tonight
lilac stag
goons are cool
clever delta
but it indeed do not sim well when you add target
formal helm
wait, someone mentioned a few days ago smth about echoing being bugged or smth?
or am I delusional af and misremember things
lilac stag
It’s been over simming since it came out
alpine wraith
it was bugged yes no idea if it still is
tbh just get void ritual or gush
and forget
formal helm
It’s been over simming since it came out
ah, fair
lilac stag
Gushing for raid
formal helm
was wondering why it did like 1-1.2% when it should be doing 2x that
well more
not 2x
alpine wraith
just highroll void ritual on dances smh
native zodiac
Id use the goons on vexxie bc of lust in amp and sprocket thats it, but i guess it also depends a bit on your stats, crit is giga value for me atm from pace
formal helm
Gushing for raid
yeh, gushing pog
alpine wraith
also want to know a funny thing
guess what is the ability that scales with all stats
formal helm
what?
lilac stag
Mythic pace is like a .2% uppy for me over drink. Gooner was .8%
formal helm
rupture?
alpine wraith
yep rupture
clever delta
yeah but i cant choose both from vault 😄
formal helm
is there even anything else that benefits from haste aside from rupture?
lilac stag
yeah but i cant choose both from vault 😄
You can buy one next week
clever delta
true
native zodiac
If say go pace and buy goons next week incase it doesnt drop/next vault
lilac stag
Mugze you maybe be at 5 mins
clever delta
kezan is like even at 5
lilac stag
One front loaded one end loaded 
clever delta
muhehe
vale pine
i am not even sure if we can raid tonight
alpine wraith
rip fuu parses
tribal blade
i am not even sure if we can raid tonight
damn that sucks
alpine wraith
yday and tomorrow is the day of ehehe
also it is cool they added 658 wep from horrific visions
alpine wraith
rip sapp parses too
clever delta
already warned to not touch adds on galli 😄
tribal blade
who knows! maybe it was intentional
native zodiac
You got a plan for gally cds sapp?
Im unsure if holding for first adds is the play or just sending it
hollow spear
It's joever for you guys
clever delta
we have lot of padders in my guild .D
native zodiac
Ye same
vale pine
damn that sucks
its fine, we just have a high amount of people who take breaks or had things in life happen, i mentioned it a few times before, we have a lot of family and shift workers which often are a bit less reliable but try to have a bigger amount of people so we can raid most of the time ^^
native zodiac
If you dont hold you could technically line it up for the 3min spawn
tribal blade
its fine, we just have a high amount of people who take breaks or had things in ...
nice 🙂
vale pine
we have a few new people too, so we will see later today ^^
clever delta
if you hold it line up with every set of adds no?
tribal blade
sub definitely feeling a lot better
but it's still funny i got a 100 on locken and was still being beat by 2 other people
keen dome
BIG DAMAGE
formal helm
its fine, we just have a high amount of people who take breaks or had things in ...
ye we have similar thing
native zodiac
if you hold it line up with every set of adds no?
Somewhat yeah, besides the 3min spawn you wont have anything for iirc
formal helm
basically our raids are scheduled a month in advance bc our RL is a nurse and doesn't have fixed schedule
hollow spear
sub definitely feeling a lot better
Who would have thought with a 10% buff
tribal blade
anyone know if more masks = more blood drop?
don't think so no, you get 2 per run
alpine wraith
If you dont hold you could technically line it up for the 3min spawn
adds spawn at 4 mins
so no need to do anything weird
tribal blade
Who would have thought with a 10% buff <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
crazy right?
short radish
don't think so no, you get 2 per run
does mask affect it at all?
alpine wraith
the only tech is just using flag at 30 secs instaed of on pull
alpine wraith
does mask affect it at all?
nope
short radish
thanks
tribal blade
does mask affect it at all?
UH i think i was told no, but we ran 1 mask anyways
alpine wraith
just need to do darker zones then end boss iirc
hollow spear
It's warranted after all the suffering
short radish
time to speed run
alpine wraith
yea literally speedrun
tribal blade
you need to do the greater zones, the ones on the middle and right of the map
not the furthest left zone
short radish
so those?
vale pine
hmm something seems wrong
old - 2.746M DPS
new- 3.001M DPS - +9%
thats more than the aura buff
hollow spear
One possible scenario is that they wanted to buff us during the patch where all shitter specs besides us got buffed and forgot to push it and now they buffed us twice
Are you trolling us now fuu? 
clever delta
you can send on pull and hold for 2min too
vale pine
Are you trolling us now fuu? <:HOLY:1250893440183570533>
just simmed with the latets nightly
hollow spear
Check Eleems pin
clever delta
@native zodiac ppl double dance for 3min
vale pine
ohh
hollow spear
That's why everybody is horny to parse... eh play.. immediately
keen dome
We're powerful
plush roost
Wait
alpine wraith
oh nice
tribal blade
yeah it's a race against time to do reclear before they fix it
plush roost
Did you just hit fuu
vale pine
i was about to say its twice of what we should have gotten
alpine wraith
today is one of the fastest fungal folly
vale pine
and apperently it is ^^
plush roost
With the "Check the pins"
hollow spear
True
tribal blade
With the "Check the pins"
i think he did
hollow spear
I did
fallow nimbus
Would actually be funny if it was a internal miscommunication
hollow spear
Power move
plush roost
Holy giga had
hollow spear
I'll totally screen shot that
native zodiac
<@165886627976183808> ppl double dance for 3min
Ye i think thats the play tbh
fallow nimbus
Spec so forgotten that 5% buffs aren't pushed but still remain
native zodiac
Then you have perfect lines up for cds for 4mins and 7
hollow spear
They were like
plush roost
Surely
brisk onyx
hollow spear
Damn we buffed it by 5% and it's still shit
plush roost
They just keep it in
hollow spear
Have to buff again
brisk onyx
Nice
plush roost
Since its still not best dps anyway surely
hollow spear
Cool it with the parsing guys
plush roost
Please I need to do rookery 21 tommorow
full acorn
When you burst on sub in keys is it single target?
vale pine
i actually wonder how competitive subtlety is in raids with the 9% buff
hoary lotus
Surely they keep it. Still losing to a ton of classes in st
vale pine
lets see
native zodiac
i actually wonder how competitive subtlety is in raids with the 9% buff
Theres some decent logs already
Check sprocket
Someone giga highrolled lmao
hollow spear
Remove that parse right now!
keen dome
What about Heroic?
hollow spear
3.4 mill on sprocket
keen dome
Now we're gonna look fabulous
haughty mural
3.4 mill on sprocket
Monka
hollow spear
Rank 81 of all specs
keen dome
What if we go the other way. Go extremely hard, make it seem incredible.
More people play Sub! More buffs!
clever delta
ass players already reporting us to authority
haughty mural
hollow spear
There's a frost mage with 3.46
keen dome
Just don't tell anybody about the double buff and be like "yeah Sub is sjust real strong man"
patent surge
ass players already reporting us to authority
What
hollow spear
Did they maybe buff all the classes in this patch twice? 
clever delta
yeah it was you
warm marlin
Someone giga highrolled lmao
hey now I would like to think I at least played good too
plush roost
Whirlwind buffed 200% !
keen dome
still useless
shut ridge
we just don't tell blizz
i tried but some could not respect the vision #subtlety message
vale pine
haha i was joking
shut ridge
h-heh me too...
patent surge
shut ridge
hollow spear
I'm actually not sure I like this mistake
shut ridge
what's the worst that happens, we return to the basement?
hollow spear
They'll somehow make it all worse by "fixing" it
clever delta
i see some troubles in logs already
keen dome
what's the worst that happens, we return to the basement?
they just take 5% away and fix it I guess
haughty mural
They'll somehow make it all worse by "fixing" it
Akaari about to strike again
hollow spear
Yeah, but fixing and Blizzard in one sentence
Not sure I like the sound of that
They can't even get buffs right 
They'll nerf us by 12% and then never touch us until 11.2
void ocean
omfg
is it gonna actually fck up the vault choice
im doing some napkin math, if sim showed me this mornin +28k dps for a ring, is it gonna be halved after they apply fix
haughty mural
kind bluff
Eazmode just jumped to top Allstars spot for all classes. Gratz bud!
thin sinew
They'll nerf us by 12% and then never touch us until 11.2
The most delusional part if this is “never touch us until 11.2”
they’ll forget we exist again like last major patch 😅
void ocean
naa
im sure they have an alarm every time a sub tops the dps
it will ring like crazy for the next day or 2
alpine wraith
finally full
kind bluff
Jesus
void ocean
finally full
no mythic ring 😄
formal helm
finally full
how much are you even losing? or rather dr-ing mastery
hollow spear
No mythic ring can beat cyrce's mastery, I think?
lilac stag
I'm actually not sure I like this mistake
Stop with the dooming
void ocean
No mythic ring can beat cyrce's mastery, I think?
happened to me
formal helm
No mythic ring can beat cyrce's mastery, I think?
for me cyrce's a massive loss
hollow spear
Loss of what?
hollow spear
Dps or mastery?
shut ridge
void ocean
got ritual bone band on myth track this mornin
formal helm
Dps or mastery?
dps
lilac stag
there’s actually a chance this was intentional. They fixed the TFD bug so maybe just maybe they actually looked at performance issues.
hollow spear
I'm talking mastery
void ocean
there’s actually a chance this was intentional. They fixed the TFD bug so maybe ...
WHAT?
formal helm
idk how much it gives?
void ocean
what do u mean fixed tfd bug
formal helm
there’s actually a chance this was intentional. They fixed the TFD bug so maybe ...
so we can't cheese it with vanish anymore?
shut ridge
What what?
huh?
void ocean
i mean which tfd bug, that would be better question
lilac stag
TFD macro no longer works
sly shore
void ocean
oh
keen dome
there’s actually a chance this was intentional. They fixed the TFD bug so maybe ...
Huh, that'd be cool
formal helm
i mean which tfd bug, that would be better question
the one that eleem had pinned
basically made it tick in combat
lilac stag
don’t worry. We’re still behind dev/mm/others.
formal helm
where would even this land us? with the 10% aura buff
shut ridge
don’t worry. We’re still behind dev/mm/others.
as long as we're out of the basement i can deal
lilac stag
they change it they change it. No sense in actually dooming some narrative you want to make up
void ocean
bruh im gonna shit on everyone tomorrow in hc raid 😄
hollow spear
Wdym
sly shore
Can you find a lower res reaction?
hollow spear
I'm predooming so the actual dooming doesn't feel so bad
sly shore
you're seeing sub dps like 6 weeks early
hollow spear
I'm also dooming because we're extending lockout
lilac stag
it’ll basically if they only nerfed tier snd then we got a buff
full acorn
I'm also dooming because we're extending lockout
My guild has been extending the past 5 weeks i feel lost
keen dome
I'm having a good time this morning
fair viper
hi guys anyone have sub dungeon slice sim with bis gear after todays buffs?
keen dome
BiS is a lie and a bad metric
haughty mural
Funny how fast they fixed tfd bug
fair viper
no im not speced into it to sim rn
lilac stag
Then do it when you are
fair viper
nvm m8 i didnt ask for suggestion if you dont have a sim dont reply
lilac stag
Funny how fast they fixed tfd bug
It was probably an easy fix. At least it means they are reading info in here
void ocean
Oh boi
lilac stag
nvm m8 i didnt ask for suggestion if you dont have a sim dont reply
Put house of cards on. Equip high ilvl. There’s your BiS sim.
sly shore
LMAO
fair viper
blocked already jeez ppl are rude
formal helm
I mean scath's right
keen dome
It was probably an easy fix. At least it means they are reading info in here
Yeah, hopefully. I hope your thought is legit 'cos. It'd make sense AND we'd get our 10%. A good day
sly shore
you asked the question and he gave you the correct answer
formal helm
ye
keen dome
^ that
lilac stag
people don’t want the right answer
lilac stag
They just want to copy and paste
keen dome
Forgo the BiS. Learn to embrace the Items as they are.
short radish
blocked already jeez ppl are rude
feel freee to block me too thanks
sly shore
and me
keen dome
Same, me too
tidal chasm
what was the tfd bug? Just it being weird with how much time it needed?
keen dome
what was the tfd bug? Just it being weird with how much time it needed?
Being able to activate it's trigger in combat
formal helm
what was the tfd bug? Just it being weird with how much time it needed?
triggering during combat with vanish macro
keen dome
It's in the pins iirc
alpine wraith
no the one where you could krangle it to proc in combat
lilac stag
Direct and to the point is rude I guess.
alpine wraith
wonder if the rookery one still works
if anyone already tried
get the thunder from birds
then it kicks in combat too
if you manage to stealth between pulls
formal helm
Direct and to the point is rude I guess. <:Syphahuh:1043317803190603887>
doesn't matter, we still love you 
haughty mural
It was probably an easy fix. At least it means they are reading info in here
Yea that’s what I was thinking aswell
They are reading info
Which is good
We got attention
Pog
formal helm
surely that's why they applied 5% 2x
short radish
9.4%
sly shore
Direct and to the point is rude I guess. <:Syphahuh:1043317803190603887>
Take some time to reflect and think about how your words affect people, thank you
lilac stag
Yeah, hopefully. I hope your thought is legit 'cos. It'd make sense AND we'd get...
They had to specifically add the spec aura from 10 to 15% and then manually add another aura. So unless 2 separate people were handling it, it seems rather intentional.
keen dome
Yeah
void ocean
Git merge fail
keen dome
It makes a lot of sense
haughty mural
But why can’t they communicate that
haughty mural
That’s what I don’t understand
alpine wraith
i understand
void ocean
It was a surprise
alpine wraith
someone managed to route to congo instead of spain yday
haughty mural
If it was intentional
lilac stag
But why can’t they communicate that
None of the rogue communication is good.
haughty mural
None of the rogue communication is good.
Fair
void ocean
It was a surprise and we will suffer cause of it
lilac stag
Why did assa get a random buff?
void ocean
Im the next patches
lilac stag
Did they get nerfed? Nope
formal helm
Why did assa get a random buff?
dev couldn't outdmg someone 
lilac stag
dev on havoc. 
tidal chasm
dev couldn't outdmg someone <:peeposhrug:657382266921812009>
he prob fell asleep playing that spec
formal helm
sounds about right
lilac stag
Go get your parses. Have fun. Someone make me a m+ bis list
clever delta
they are usually pretty slow about rogue im sure the buff can last till end of week or actually stay like that 😄
keen dome
I'm getting some fun parses
formal helm
Go get your parses. Have fun. Someone make me a m+ bis list
sim it on 20 secs ?
lilac stag
sim it on 20 secs ?
With lust
formal helm
oh true, forgot that part
keen dome
8 patchwerk 20 second sim
vale pine
<@194804407706189824> what ur feelings? will be nerfed to 5% or it will be like ...
unsure
alpine wraith
i say we get another 5% because why not
formal helm
i say we get another 5% because why not
another 10% or we riot 
alpine wraith
let me talk to larry
lilac stag
People just want to hear it’s gonna get nerfed just to doom. I swear.
formal helm
You get another 5% but it's to BP only
pls no
keen dome
Poor guy
grave shore
cause i cant say that it SO OP that it must be nerfed
looks like just good balance spec
keen dome
Deleted from existence
vale pine
i assume we get the 10% reduced to the intentional 5
lilac stag
dont worry we finishing hard now
So 75% of envenom
formal helm
So 75% of envenom
50%
alpine wraith
i wish this split nonsense split dmg would stop yea
keen dome
I'm on the"It was intentional" train
formal helm
I'm on the"It was intentional" train
same
can't doom forever, have to cope sometimes too!
keen dome
I'm the king of H(c)ope
alpine wraith
maybe we have a guy in blizz that just got promoted
and loves sub
and he was like oops sorry(enjoy it guys boss in on vacation until july)
formal helm
(it's scath)
warm marlin
I’m hard coping that they will look at stats and sub wont be turbo broken so they will assume things are fine
formal helm
meh, w/e
warm marlin
Ret/dev/hunter are still better anyway
formal helm
in the worst case they just revert to 5%
but it's still smth
better than yday at least
formal helm
yep
keen dome
Nobody loses!
warm marlin
True but the 10% version is fun 
formal helm
so just enjoy the buffs and play the game
warm marlin
Felt quite strong today
stiff stirrup
nah they just gonna say they wanted to do 10% but mentioned it wrong as 5% in the class tuning notes
lilac stag
I’m hard coping that they will look at stats and sub wont be turbo broken so the...
PvP will be the issue if one of the modifiers went through there
keen dome
I just got my first 100 so I'm livin' large
formal helm
PvP will be the issue if one of the modifiers went through there
I mean it shouldn't be the case, but you never know
warm marlin
PvP will be the issue if one of the modifiers went through there
god please no
I hate pvp influence
hollow spear
Haha
formal helm
the thing says pvp not affected, so I'm hoping that even if it was accidental they just did the pve buff again
hollow spear
Nerfed into oblivion thanks to pvp
formal helm
and not pvp one
full acorn
What’s the peak DPs you guys have hit on cinder first pull?
hollow spear
40 mill or uninstall
full acorn
Seriously? Or cap
formal helm
cap. I think
full acorn
I’m just curious for the peak
formal helm
think I did like 15m
alpine wraith
dont remember or care
hollow spear
I wouldn't know, played bleed assa the last month
alpine wraith
but someone will
lilac stag
I'm not sure what to feel if scath is on the copium
Not on any copium. It’s just pointless to worry about something that there is zero control over. Still not nearly as broken as other specs comparatively with the 9.6% buff. You all just forgot what it’s like to actually do damage.
formal helm
I just remember bc I outbursted our deva @alpine wraith
and then got completely destroyed like 5 secs later
but it's fine
alpine wraith
yea was about to say was he asleep
and woke up later
but i think they have some setup in the fire build thingy
full acorn
15 mil DPs is kinda low tho for peak no? Thats what I do on outlaw
formal helm
they have to set it up
stiff stirrup
ok some saying its not actually buffed 10%
formal helm
so you should be able to go higher
rocky ocean
hollow spear
That's what I've actually seen at least, maybe there's ppl who have more tech
formal helm
full acorn
Cant find any Sub player on YouTube doing High Keys
lilac stag
They don’t exist
patent crystal
is echoing void still bugged?
full acorn
Maybe I have to go Billybilly
lilac stag
You do a boss or two as sub
full acorn
Yeah thats all ive seen
lilac stag
GW for raid. VR for gamba.
formal helm
fuck gamba
haughty mural
TD for vibes
alpine wraith
when ritual and grip proc we go to 40k mastery pog
sly shore
get accidental 10% buff, dude goes and gets all r1's for the bosses he did, not even top 100 for any of the bosses except gallywix
where he got rrank 92
idk if they need to revert it ngl
lilac stag
@formal helm 
haughty mural
when ritual and grip proc we go to 40k mastery pog
You are so based
alpine wraith
i mean we already knew were like 13% or so behind top dawgs
formal helm
<@279706985719529472> <:ping:585733887615959042>
alpine wraith
but also it is not a good metric
because the good people can still play so maybe it gets closer but idk
i will just play today
finally not be last on dps
remote cedar
so we feeling better as sub now on gally?
alpine wraith
have some giggles post some pictures of big critws
lilac stag
We knew the 5 was gonna make us more competitive with rogue, but still mid overall
haughty mural
have some giggles post some pictures of big critws
Pacemaker ?
lilac stag
so the 9.6 makes us more competitive with actual dps
void hound
get accidental 10% buff, dude goes and gets all r1's for the bosses he did, not ...
thats epic honestly
best course of action, nerf before EU gets to raid yippie
alpine wraith
yea funnily enough this 10% puts us at quite decent at m+ now
leaden prairie
get accidental 10% buff, dude goes and gets all r1's for the bosses he did, not ...
wdym
alpine wraith
because there skill dmg does more
haughty mural
best course of action, nerf before EU gets to raid yippie
alpine wraith
that is what he wrote
warm marlin
get accidental 10% buff, dude goes and gets all r1's for the bosses he did, not ...
I think its top 100 for sprocket and rik
vestal escarp
erm
warm marlin
for all specs
patent lichen
Double buff?! We're so back
lilac stag
angry assa rogues
alpine wraith
time to make a video then watch it get fixed 1h later
clever delta
damn we look too strong on galli 😄
alpine wraith
when i come home
clever delta
fucking hell
patent lichen
No please
lilac stag
missing bis lists for m+
alpine wraith
trueee
alpine wraith
big op
sly shore
because in relation to all classes
clever delta
realz is reading pin right meow
sly shore
the buff isn't even insane
warm marlin
sub not op
patent lichen
No one watches rogue YouTube videos.
Actually big true
sly shore
but for rogue
sly shore
the buff is kinda insane
sly shore
but even then assa can outpad on some bosses if adds live lmao
alpine wraith
tfd helps a bit and 3 min kill timers will be good for sub
leaden prairie
clever delta
this buff is well deserved after the struggle we see all tier
warm marlin
cmon man
lilac stag
the buff is kinda insane
Rogue doing dmg. Who would have thought it was possible.
warm marlin
i genuinely dont know how no one crossed 3M on sprocket
short radish
but most of the kills youre still a decent gap away from 2nd
warm marlin
we had 3 pulls and i was well over it every pull
leaden prairie
i genuinely dont know how no one crossed 3M on sprocket
skill issue
warm marlin
i accidentally had kezan on for the first 2 and was still super ahead in first 2mins
ashen dock
i think the buff was intentional from blizzard, change my mind
vestal escarp
they double dippend the tuning?
lilac stag
No
warm marlin
I sim like 3M on the dot so with 12% buff 3.4M should be about right
lilac stag
They did 2 separate buffs
alpine wraith
it is just from variance that you can get higher
but also kill timer getting close to 4 mins
so boss dies just as flag ends kinda
leaden prairie
I sim like 3M on the dot so with 12% buff 3.4M should be about right
Every sub players rerolled insta to sin
Cause they can't handle being the top spec
warm marlin
traitors
haughty mural
they double dippend the tuning?
Pin
leaden prairie
So ye sub looks bad
warm marlin
I expected more to at least try it this week with aura though
im expecting EU to pump
warm marlin
I wont hold r1 all stars because my bozo homie wouldn't let me play mugzee
haughty mural
I saw that
Was thinking why did you 100 on mugzee till I realized you were not there
leaden prairie
i died twice our last 2 reclears on sproket
so now im infinite ranks behind on this boss
skill issue fr
warm marlin
we had entire raid blow up and boss die with me solo evasion tanking it 2 of last 3 kills
nova cradle
I wont hold r1 all stars because my bozo homie wouldn't let me play mugzee <a:RA...
I'm never letting you into mugzee ever
there must be at least 1 fight without the bingusguppy
hollow spear
I'm officially afraid of new pins now
haughty mural
What did he do ?
warm marlin
generational hater frfr
nova cradle
What did he do ?
too much damage
sly shore
so now im infinite ranks behind on this boss
die die not die
fringe palm
lilac stag
cant get 3m
Try vers flask
keen dome
Just crit
hollow spear
@fringe palm playing with omega-boost instead of turbo-boost
hazy breach
Or do a lil cheatin and add presymbols and predisorienting strikes
keen dome
I keep forgetting to pre-symbol..
sly shore
I made a wa
lilac stag
just turn on pi. Surely worth .004 dps
sly shore
on boss wipe it shows "PRESS SOD" in big letters
fringe palm
hollow spear
Or do a lil cheatin and add presymbols and predisorienting strikes
How did that work again? Sectec on wipe?
rustic mortar
is raidbots tuned for 5% or the actual 10% ?
clever delta
yes
lilac stag
haughty mural
lilac stag
keen dome
haughty mural
clever delta
bro can i get some gear or what
warm marlin
yall down bad
lofty lance
clever delta
yeah maybe i should get some socket by now 😄
warm marlin
now that guy is cheating
kind bluff
I only Sim 2.8
clever delta
i have 4 crafted items and no socket from vault 😄
and that rik daggger still did not drop for us 😄
lilac stag
i have 4 crafted items and no socket from vault 😄
How do you do 4 crafted and no vault sockets?
hollow spear
I have a haste dagger from vault urgh
clever delta
idk i was taking something from every vault
lilac stag
because they were transmog?
lilac stag
The maths not mathing
clever delta
it does
i had bandit critVers ring last week
and mythic kezan week before
and pacemaker this week
stiff stirrup
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
clever delta
i had something in every vault beside one
stiff stirrup
im guessing fuu spreadsheet not updated with buffs?
stiff stirrup
my gear is too assa to sim rn 😦
haughty mural
lilac stag
my gear is too assa to sim rn 😦
You can change your crafted
fringe palm
https://i.imgur.com/a0PcQ9f.png ok almost back to the pi value
lilac stag
do 4 min TFD sim
fringe palm
that sounds giga cursed ngl
fringe palm
i dont like the talent though 
lilac stag
yeah cause RS is so amazing
fringe palm
it changes the opener cba its farm
lilac stag
your dps loss
fringe palm
probably wont even play sub or rogue anyway 
lilac stag
well your dps gain then
vestal escarp
it changes the opener cba its farm
for good tho
haughty mural
it changes the opener cba its farm
It’s not that much of a difference
alpine wraith
tfd just uses a longer dance
idk if you can really struggle with 4 more gcds of strike evis evis strike
long sun
i gooned
ashen dock
im just cursed man
fringe palm
idk if you can really struggle with 4 more gcds of strike evis evis strike
sounds hard
well do a compromise
ill spec tfd
and not play rogue
fringe palm
shadow and dk, dont like evoker
royal pier
so is it playable now
fringe palm
wait i only play classes that do shadow dmg
void hound
probably wont even play sub or rogue anyway <:KEKL:938540034276065370>
who plays it then 
alpine wraith
we all thank smokebomb buggin klaxxi
and doing bitch things for darkfuse and garrosh
dawn nimbus
Hello ! with the new buff, sub is good for M+ and raid ?
junior prawn
Was before
alpine wraith
yes it will be better than before
fathom gazelle
did any1 test echoing if it valid or stil buged?
fathom gazelle
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923750073499648/1377225277905...
it says its bugged for some people and fine from now and then
fathom gazelle
just use void ritual and forget
yeh i think ill go gushin for gally
hazy breach
it says its bugged for some people and fine from now and then
ye and what does it say right after that
formal helm
20%
formal helm
doubles every hour
full acorn
Is the sims on the greater corruptions or lesser?
lilac stag
Is the sims on the greater corruptions or lesser?
If you want to sim lesser, tick show all enchants
dry plank
lilac stag
Sill behind FDK at 3.1
junior prawn
still better than being below aug
dry plank
they will revert it in few hours my bet
patent crystal
they better wait until EU has raided
keen dome
I think they're gonna leave it. I'm fully onboard "it was intentional"
We deserve it, as a treat.
junior prawn
they will revert it in few hours my bet
dry plank
i just do not understand how happened that we got 2 flat buffs for 10% and still below half classes, this is just no sense, the diff between classes in this season is weird
junior prawn
intern at blizzard felt bad that we got out dps'd by aug and he clicked double it and give it to the same person
lilac stag
i just do not understand how happened that we got 2 flat buffs for 10% and still...
Overall looks balanced. Rogue just happens to be mostly mid. So fights favor specific specs.
dry plank
but it 20%