subtlety

[hoary lotus]

I have 21% crit

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xktb85PfJMwKCpyZ8EKLTt

[lilac stag]

Your pacemaker sims don’t have the 675/678 upgrades like your magnet does

also sim finality 1/2

[viral phoenix]

wut are yo udropping for 1/2 finality

[hoary lotus]

rotten

[lilac stag]

I’m assuming you’re 15 crests shy on your pacemaker sims

Since raid trinket is 665 out of vault

And pacemaker is 662

[hoary lotus]

shouldn't be.

am re-simming

[viral phoenix]

is dropping rotten for finality mainly single target or for aoe too

[hoary lotus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tpciz1rrZgLrvb1wdhzqJb

[lilac stag]

4k is the variance Id expect.

magnet is technically slighlty better for sub over pacemaker

[hoary lotus]

well it's a dead vault

so it's socket or magnet

but it's double on use

seems bait no?

[lilac stag]

why? youre just using it on CD when not interferring with HoC. pacemaker likely better for keys

[hybrid prism]

Yeah magnet you don’t use on pull. Doesn’t interfere with HoC. Has to stack up first.

[warm depot]

yo

did they fix evasion dodging the amp drops on rik reverb

[quick pendant]

Are people hitting high keys as sub? Went back to sub during this season but idk if it’s worth pushing as sub. Makes me sad because I love sub 🥲

[lilac stag]

Theyre swapping to if for specific parts of keys

otherwise is assa

[hoary lotus]

you can push as sub

it's just worse >:)

[quick pendant]

Huhuhu

[hoary lotus]

sin aoe is broken

but has no st

[quick pendant]

Yeah for sure

[wicked urchin]

i died once on the entirety of sprocket prog

and it was the kill

classic

[quick pendant]

Ugh guess I’ll have to go back to sin

[hazy breach]

Theyll buff sub soon for sure

[warm depot]

copium

[hazy breach]

Its among the worst specs on the WCL overall dps chart

[warm depot]

even eleem is over in sin channel more than here now

despairge

[hazy breach]

So its definitely not unfeasable that they'd buff it

[swift tinsel]

Unless they consider that Mission Accomplished

[hazy breach]

My crafted pieces have haste on them

[molten citrus]

I’m still using a vers/mast dagger on assa

Sim hasn’t once told me to change it

[hazy breach]

Ye most of my stuff is vers+mastery

besides crafted and ring

Like boe boots, the best, catalyst cloak and dagger

[warm depot]

despairge

i got 2x rik daggers now

time to recraft my crafted daggers to haste 😂

[molten citrus]

ye i meant my crafted dagger

i always add haste/mast crit/mast recraft to every sim but it just won't ever come out ahead

at least in my dslice sims, haven't really been simming patchwerk lately

[lilac stag]

it likely won’t

the stats are all really close on assa

[molten citrus]

yeh

i have very little vers on my assa set either way so its normal

[warm depot]

pog i had a good rik reverb kill

[distant rapids]

when did they make evasion not work on rik reverb

[lucid jackal]

They didnt u just turned your character

[distant rapids]

like i 180d ?

[wide kernel]

rip my vault

3 basically socket vaults in a row + hoc/eye/drink in the same one :/

[molten citrus]

you're like the 7th person to bring this up tonight, maybe its bugged

[distant rapids]

ya wtffff

[tribal blade]

holy shit look at these sub buffs

[molten citrus]

[old venture]

that is.... troubling

[molten citrus]

lmao

[old venture]

remember when they promised us player housing in tww

[molten citrus]

remember when they promised us dinars

blizzard on a rug pull marathon speed run

[old venture]

remember when they promised us pickpocket buffs for crimson vial in shadowlands blizzconline?

[stone hound]

I got all sorts of daggers early in the season. As soon as I got a hero dagger, daggers stopped dropping. I've been using a hero dagger with mast/haste and a champion offhand with crit/mastery. Tonight, in raid, 2 Pyrotechnic Needle-Dropper dropped from Rik Reverb. Someone (a warlock) rolled for xmog on the one I didn't win. I was the only rogue in the group. He was unwilling to give it to me even though it's BiS.
I hate humans.

[molten citrus]

you haven't crafted a dagger?

[stone hound]

Don't have the crests for it.

[molten citrus]

farm them

only takes doing +7s to get gilded crests

or even doing level 11 delves

[stone hound]

Can't farm what you're capped on.

[molten citrus]

both of which are content that can be steam rolled

[rough sigil]

!sim

what is the sheet again lol

[molten citrus]

how are you capped on gilded but haven't crafted a dagger though

[teal prawn]

You’re capped on crests and didn’t just make a 675

[molten citrus]

[bleak ice]

I wasn't able to evasion Rik reverb either

[lilac stag]

Almost like someone needs to post a log

[molten citrus]

someone did earlier in #outlaw but idk if anyone looked at it

lemme see if i can find it

[lilac stag]

imagine going into the forbidden channel

No thank you

[molten citrus]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Nrwf4R7vgjaq2MAc?fight=13&type=damage-done

[scenic yarrow]

hello did they remove evasion tech on richard reverberation?

am i going crazy

ok i looked up with my eyes dont respond to me sorry fellas

[tepid trellis]

this discord aint really aimed at classic

[scenic yarrow]

yes ty

[swift tinsel]

pay no attention to the murloc in the mech

[viral phoenix]

sims telling me no rotten 1/2 finality is better in ST just confirming is that the conventional choice

[wide kernel]

so mag'har ork over human is like 0.8% dps increase right, but under what conditions is that true? like frontloading more damage is good in the first pull

the 7% increase to stats effectively is like also good for smaller cd windows and then also for half of your big cds right

and tanks dont really do lust pulls all that much

[wide kernel]

rotten is typically for applying FW to mobs afaik

[swift tinsel]

having essentially another on-use trinket for every other flag window is generally stronger than the boosted stats

your smaller cd windows are pretty much just to farm cdr for your bigger ones

[random hare]

man sub is bad tho

[lilac stag]

human stat increase isnt that big. we're a burst spec. only thing that matters is the burst window

[last gate]

how bis is it on sub?

[lilac stag]

surely sub will get buffed
it's probably good for assa as well since assa dont care about stats

[random hare]

nah i dont need it for sin

i already have a myth ring

[lilac stag]

just sim yourself. it's heroic who carse

[random hare]

and assa only needs 1 ring

since citrine is just perma bis

[lilac stag]

even after turbo ilvl happens?

[last gate]

im stuck between this and myth leg

[random hare]

i think so not sure

[lilac stag]

without it I was getting a 678 to outsim citrine by like 4k

[random hare]

oh

rly

[lilac stag]

have to imagine the extra ilvl gonna push rings

[random hare]

ye i hope so

[lilac stag]

yeah just kinda depends where yer gear is

[random hare]

well i dont have to go for a ring now i guess

or

ye surely not

or

[lilac stag]

what else ya gonna take?

[random hare]

socket?

[lilac stag]

my feels say take ring, but idk. you could try to override ilvl and sim it for assa

i dont remember the tubro ilvl increase tho

[lilac stag]

heroic rings are shit

[last gate]

thanks it warm my heart (i get leg )

[lilac stag]

just craft a ring if you're that hard up

[last gate]

i have good rings already

but that ring was FULL VERSA

im a bit lacking on vers tho

anyway DK time

[grand summit]

So, I play ret, but I have a friend who wants to know why Seaforium is rly good

[round latch]

should be good but simmerino,big vers chunk

[grand summit]

Someone got a short summary?

[lilac stag]

all trinkets are shit expect HoC. It’s upper end of not complete shit.

[grand summit]

Understood.

[round latch]

Bro compels mfk@rs with light

[lilac stag]

hopefully his friend 😉 gets the proper info out of it

[grand summit]

LMAO

Character name is my discord name, sim me, and youll see I am a pal thru and thru

[lilac stag]

congrats

[hexed sluice]

Raid got to rik for reclear, first amplification hits me, then the 4th one. I tab over here, everyones complaining lmao, pretty funny

[tribal blade]

i got hit by it on lfr

was very confused

[fallow nimbus]

Does evasion not work for it anymore?

[pearl swan]

evasion no work?

[lucid jackal]

It does

worked for me tonight

[vale pine]

make sure you face the right direction, maybe that was the problem

[plush roost]

I was hit during evasion on reverb tonight

Facing boss so idk why

[cloud rover]

Solo covered it in a Pin that it doesnt work anymore

[tribal blade]

same was 100% facing it

[cloud rover]

Need to make sure

Our Immunities are more useless every patch

Cloaking Debuff? Nah fam not anymore

Evasion Physical Stuff? Nah Fam aint working for me

[vale pine]

oh interessting

i would need to check, would be weird if they changed something like this mid season

[cloud rover]

Solo said it was fixed in the evening

just mid evening

[vale pine]

interessting

[paper iron]

Ams is the only immune left

[vale pine]

its weird tbh

[cloud rover]

AMS > CLoak

Has 40 Seconds

[paper iron]

Yes

Cloak is like turtle

[vale pine]

i mean its evasion not cloak

^^

[paper iron]

Went to the garbage pile

[cloud rover]

Well yeah

But Evasion also got worse

with every patch

[vale pine]

rogue defensives get worse every xpac ^^

well not 100% true

we got some improvements in DF

[cloud rover]

Only thing

that is still good

is Feint

But thats niche

[vale pine]

feint is weird but i agree

[cloud rover]

If feint works

its almost OP

[rocky ocean]

the buffs are subtle

[alpine wraith]

they have subterfuge

so they will drop stealth later even if getting hit

[candid raven]

I think the deathstalker talent was also usefull with Evasion now having a use besides: Oh shit, my tank died. Although we don't really use it on sub

[grave delta]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gritty knot]

I mean we have 1 hour tricks 💀 all jokes aside, that shit already saved multiple keys because whole group died and the pack with low hp was bugged out completely just standing there still aggro'ing the tank doing nothing until he run back 😂 Sometimes those fkers teleport tho and completely ruin the key. It's a 50:50 chance 😂

[vestal escarp]

Gm bugtlety

[vale pine]

spot the gambler ^^

[gritty knot]

https://tenor.com/view/casino-oldpeople-oldpeopleonslots-slots-vegas-gif-27586086

Authentic footage of me playing sub rogue backstabbing the shit out of my target until cd's are back up

[short radish]

nah man

thats the time when you stretch your fingers and hands

gotta look after yourself

[gritty knot]

Ye in reality that's the time I am hitting those vapes and enjoy my life for a few seconds 😂

[graceful crown]

bro i finally got my hands on a seaforium and now i got a junkmaestro in vault which claims to be better through sim

this world is a prison

i can see like most sub rogues on archon using cards and seaforium, do i feelycraft this or trust the sim, looking for advise here, i have a lack of wisdom

!sims

[wicked jolt]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[alpine wraith]

junkmaestro can be better

it is just annouying to use

[tribal blade]

why think and do damage

when no think also do damage

no think better

think too much brain no work

[graceful crown]

im not gonna lie, it's exhausting having to use 2 activatable trinkets

it's not even the think thing, it's accidentalyl desyncing cards and now i fucked the tempo

[vestal escarp]

Rotating hammers!!

[vale pine]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short radish]

no think, embrace zug

[graceful crown]

right, thugline for st, seaforium for aoe

https://tenor.com/view/natural-six-ratural-six-rat-thumbs-up-gif-9586177958593143141

[tulip wharf]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals of during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[graceful crown]

guild mythic locked onto lockensmith for prog, so i'll never see that belt in my life 😭

[placid tendon]

F

[graceful crown]

i'll stay small with my hero version

[placid tendon]

was my last week of reclear as well

[spare garnet]

My guild is locked in raiding, members not wanna go mythic. So we cant even start 🥲

[void ocean]

u guys think evasion on Richard is coming back? 😄

[vale pine]

think the 20 man requirement is also rly annoying for many guilds

[alpine wraith]

has anyone tried the evasion the mine in mug zee

maybe they broke that too

[final holly]

since when does evasion not work on richard reverberations anymore

oh you're all already talking about it

[graceful crown]

richard reverberations 😂

[final holly]

its just respectful to use his full name

[graceful crown]

true true

[vale pine]

they apperently broke it

[final holly]

it stunned me the first time and I just assumed skill issue and I somehow faced away

[solemn lance]

Ha yep same thing. First one last night I was like oh crap I hit evasion too early I guess

[limpid sage]

Wish they'd just lower it to 10-man

[vale pine]

flex or 10 man ye

[limpid sage]

flex is prob too hard for them to balance on mythic

[vale pine]

you can make hall of fame only for 20 man raids

[limpid sage]

or too much work rather

[vale pine]

heroic works fine as flex

[limpid sage]

ye HoF only for 20 man works as well

it's so weird how they decided that 20 man mythic was the right spot though

[paper iron]

30 was too much, 10 not enough

[limpid sage]

given their avg audience is 30+ and gets more and more responsibilities

[paper iron]

I think 20 is good with comp and mecanic balance

[vale pine]

we needed raid buffs to make sure each class was played in 20

[limpid sage]

in my ideal world you'd see one of each class on a 10-man raid team, with each class' utility NEEDED for 1 or 2 encounters per raid

like giving rogues smoke bomb for LoS on a specific fight

[sacred yarrow]

thats something 2010 wow might think to do, not 2025 wow, unfortunately.

[paper iron]

20 helps playing 3 to 5 healers

That s some good balance in tuning and boss design

[hazy breach]

10 man with every class required when theres 12 classes

[paper iron]

Delete evoker and mage

[lilac stag]

This. People just need to be accepting that heroic maybe what their gameplay time / life balance allows for

[paper iron]

Gg i fixed wow

[lilac stag]

Your forgot delete outlaw mate

Fixed

[paper iron]

Outlaw aint à class

[lilac stag]

Get rid of all 3rd dps specs

let them focus on two

[paper iron]

Actually

Delete them all, Keep only paladins

[limpid sage]

remove 2 classes, problem solved?

[lilac stag]

What are people stuck on 10 man? Just run it as 12

[sacred yarrow]

my raid comps already think this way

[lilac stag]

you can still delete evoker and mage

[limpid sage]

2-2-8 would be kinda baller

[paper iron]

I think 15-25 is good. But 25 too much. 15 not enough

So 20 perfect spot imo

And to tune correctly they cant allow for dynamics size

You ll probably Wonder about making 2 différent raid size like the OG 10-25 raid. Yea more work for blizzard interns, not gonna happen and gladly

[final holly]

12/13 is always comfy on heroic tbh

[alpine wraith]

wow is on the least investment for most return phase

dont think microsoft wants to allocate more than 1 $ than necessary

and we will suffer from it

but it is what it is

[limpid sage]

ye that's why I don't have my hopes up either

[final holly]

2/3/8 feels really good for most bosses, but I think people would get hung up over it not being an even number

[alpine wraith]

there is no reason whatsoever than even with 20 raid size you only use 2 tanks

apart from lazyness

on creating bosses

[limpid sage]

just think it'd be cool with every class feeling absolutely needed on specific bosses

besides stuff like dk grip

[final holly]

it could be worse, we could be suffering under SE and have our game exist entirely to drive revenue to some awful nft game

[alpine wraith]

wait until they get bough by tencent too and we get a wow gacha

then we will finally have some good content but at what cost

[final holly]

[alpine wraith]

those games actually reinvest in their games

more than any kind of game

[final holly]

although, what is hearthstone if not a wow gatcha

[alpine wraith]

you cant whale on HS

tbh blizz games you cant really whale

just natty drop 30k $

on a game

because of a mental problem

[final holly]

yeah not that level of whale

[alpine wraith]

i mean i have spent more than 10k already in poe

send help

in wow i wonder how much

not a fan of mounts of things that are not skill mtx really

apart from the last one that was really useful

[sick sand]

10k of which currency 😁

[alpine wraith]

euros

would be funny if they were pesos

would be like 2 $ or less idk how exchange rates are now

[sick sand]

Now this made my choice easier to make and buy the new 2 mounts and raven transmog

Ty hacha!

[alpine wraith]

i mean if you like them why not

i bough the fox thing years ago because it was cool

[short radish]

WHY THE FUCK ARE THERE SO MANY BOSSES THIS TIER

THAT HATE BACKSTAB

FUCKPA;SDLASDJHALSKDHSAILKHJDAWQ

[hazy breach]

You can use storm instead

"but eleem what if i spec gloomblade?"
Well sure then you dont need to stand behind the boss for 20% more backstab damage, but you still need to be behind the target to proc find weakness, which what matters

[cloud rover]

Why would you need that for this

[hazy breach]

Because the tooltip lies

[cloud rover]

Can Find Weakness only proc from behind

or what do you mean

[hazy breach]

Applies to gloomblade too

[cloud rover]

Ohh

Well

Unlucky

[short radish]

yeah thats what ive been doing

feels worth

[cloud rover]

I mean

atleast we dont get parreid

Imagine

You get parried

Like KB on Assa

[short radish]

true

and when you dont have find weakness

you do poop damage anyway

so doing slightly less poop damage

is kinda whatever

wait doesnt the tooltip of GB imply that you dont need to be behind?

[hazy breach]

#subtlety message

[short radish]

oh right i can read

i mean i assumed it lied and was fake

given ive read the GB still need to be behind about 4 times now

fuck blizzard

please

one drop of attention

[merry agate]

DELETE FW 😤
Why is such a big part of our dmg linked to some arbitrary shitty debuff

[hazy breach]

up until this season you didnt need to be behind at all

[lilac stag]

and still manage to do less dps than assa with a parried KB

[hazy breach]

Imp backstab worked regardless of position

[cloud rover]

I mean first SS applies it

[hazy breach]

But they fixed that bug this season

[cloud rover]

or doesnt it

[short radish]

it doesnt if you press backstab

[cloud rover]

Im not pressing Backstab

Too lazy

[short radish]

based

im now tracking find weakness

and the stupid fazed estimated proc chance timer thing that LE made

[lilac stag]

I’m now tracking blue posts on sub

[cloud rover]

Thats because KB is kind off useless

[lilac stag]

We’re both tracking useless things.

[short radish]

[lilac stag]

I mean you brought it up as a lol so

[cloud rover]

Ye i know

DN Envenom what have been a better example

BEcause that one hits harder

than a KB

and can get parried

[lilac stag]

Clones disappearing or getting parried.

[short radish]

rookery 1st boss intensifies

[lilac stag]

Surely at some point this spec is playable without a laundry list of shit that just doesn’t work

Surely

[merry agate]

Imagine

[short radish]

next tier is our tier for sure

[merry agate]

This time for sure!

[lilac stag]

Is it all sub 2 min raid bosses?

[cloud rover]

Imagine

Rogue getting more then 3 Lines

while every other Class has a bible of changes

[merry agate]

Shuriken Combo will return in a Blaze of glory

[cloud rover]

Ok thats cope

[merry agate]

Yes 😞

Even more cope
we will get new kyveza animations :>

[cloud rover]

Ok i call the ambulance

This amount of copium cant be healthy

[short radish]

every boss dies at 1.55

also its not complete copium because

we're going to be merely average going into next tier

after being buffed to middle of the pack

so we dont get nerfed week -1

[vale pine]

i don't think we will get buffs

new season typically means new tier set

and with that we roll the dice

[short radish]

SURELY

we get a mid late season buff

in the .7

[cloud rover]

Sub Outlaw Fusion confirmed !?

and a whole new spec ?!

[paper iron]

https://x.com/ForeverGuy5/status/1917408028619665471

ForeverGuy (@ForeverGuy5) on X

WE NEED EMERGENCY ROGUE BUFFS THERE ARE TOO MANY HERO CLASSES RN

X · Apr 30, 2025, 2:37 AM

@short radish surely

[ebon oyster]

cant wait for another rogue rework

only like 4th one in 2 expansions

[alpine wraith]

what rework

they maybe touch 2 or 3 things

gotta have at least 10 dead talents or that make no sense

otherwise it is not rogue

[vale pine]

i hope not

[sacred yarrow]

why do you hurt us with the truth

[cloud rover]

They will fix Rogue frfr

By deleting Rogue

[rocky ocean]

[paper iron]

From rogue to Droguementation

frfr

[hazy breach]

If they do another set of tuning and dont buff sub imma be real surprised

But idk they ignore us last time so who knows

[paper iron]

i talked with some rogues and we re all on the same point

We really hope some big changes are coming and that s why we re ignored rn. If they just do random tuning it s gonna be disappointing, enough but disappointing (specially not reworking ks and stuff for outlaw with thousands of fixes needed)

[lilac stag]

back to 90% dance uptime gloomblade build with no aoe

[paper iron]

that said, if we re getting ignored again, it s just doomed

[hazy breach]

I mean assa is fine

[lilac stag]

We’ve been on that train for 3 expansions.

and it’s just sub and outlaw

That are fucked

[paper iron]

yea but assa is just getting random buffs, did assa needed buffs? Yes ofc. But so did sub and i wont talk about the meme that outlaw became

i legit think survival is less memed than outlaw nowadays

[alpine wraith]

assa literally got many changes to make it have no weaknesses

[final holly]

thats just when you're in CDs and get non-stop shadowcraft procs

[alpine wraith]

and buffed every time it is worse

so idk

or well it does have a weakness of being a 2 min spec but that is many specs nowadays

[lilac stag]

pretty sure they’re at the point of well one rogue spec works. That’ll keep the lowest class playerbase content for another 4 dev cycles

[cloud rover]

Well Rogue AOE Fix

=

Something Something Flurry

[hazy breach]

What if it didnt

[alpine wraith]

or i like the motto of give something to sub or outlaw

[paper iron]

i made that earlier this season

[alpine wraith]

then give it to assa but better

[paper iron]

i gotta change it back to caustic down now

[alpine wraith]

in spatter and carnage

oh and also make subterfuge useless for sub

the spec that uses you know

stealth

[cloud rover]

Tbf with Bleed Build Spatter isnt as important anymore

[alpine wraith]

that one that gets empowered buffs by being in stealth yea

[cloud rover]

Imagine

[alpine wraith]

yea but imagine if carnage was only 2 targets

and bugged out randomly

[cloud rover]

You are a Stealth spec

[alpine wraith]

and also had 8y range across the target

[cloud rover]

and some random Pirates leverage Stealth more than you

[paper iron]

yea tira

but bleed build is a fun low key things imo

[lilac stag]

The splatter range in raid is comical compared to short arms outlaw and sub

[cloud rover]

I have to say, i was surprised that i could hit Bandit and Nibmle Flurry the mid add

[lilac stag]

Bleed is good for high keys. Shocking like 5 specs are good for bleeding edge. So that’s kinda irrelevant imo

[alpine wraith]

i mean sub would work very good if it had beast burst right now

we are like top 8

[lilac stag]

for majority of key players assa bleed is S tier

[cloud rover]

Bleed Build

is unfair

[lilac stag]

KB is fucking useless

[cloud rover]

in how much dmg it does

[paper iron]

yes it is, bleed is great unless you start needed bigger prio / more on demand burst

[cloud rover]

for nothing

[alpine wraith]

i mean kb had the same problems as sub

[cloud rover]

like you literally do nothing

[alpine wraith]

burst bad nerf nerf nerf

then now it is wang

[lilac stag]

So you swap the rogue for mage

[alpine wraith]

yea arcane mage does unreal prio

they got maalus on god

[paper iron]

arcane so fun right now

[alpine wraith]

yea man

[paper iron]

i ve been oom once since i started playing it

[alpine wraith]

meanwhile idk how many times people cried for soul cap

and we got bugged temu aakari

[paper iron]

all 3 mages specs have infinite ressources currently

[lilac stag]

you’re more than fine running bleed in 15-16 range which is going to tap out most people until ilvl jump

[alpine wraith]

for like 3 expansions ina row

[paper iron]

it s like if you have 90% dance uptime / 90% crackshot uptime / no energy starving as assa

[lilac stag]

or you try running sub

[paper iron]

you have infinite mana, infinite fireblast, infinite finger s frost and shatter

[alpine wraith]

yea idk why arcane has infinite mana

used to be you could go beast mode

if you wanted

[paper iron]

and infinite charges also

[lilac stag]

resources don’t matter

[paper iron]

you generate so much charges

it s insane

[alpine wraith]

but now it is just another cd and procs class

like everyone

[vestal escarp]

Only for us

[alpine wraith]

it used to be the dust sub of ranged

where you could control when and where to pop big dam

even outside of normal cds

[lilac stag]

I mean you’re ignoring energy majority of the time as outlaw and assa (in keys)

[vestal escarp]

[paper iron]

arcane mage was big burn > mini burn > starve and send empty barrages

repeat the cycle

[alpine wraith]

i mean for more than 10 years was control mana

[paper iron]

now it s big burn > mini burn > rotation that does stuff

[alpine wraith]

and use evocations right

barrage or big burn did not even exist

for the longest time

[lilac stag]

you can spam fient on cd as assa in aoe

[alpine wraith]

you had arcane power but it was not a huge part of the power

[paper iron]

oh yea

[alpine wraith]

was mostly through arcane gems and evocation you controlled output

[paper iron]

it was like that

[alpine wraith]

apart from using more or less blasts

[lilac stag]

assa st still good if you run with a priest in keys

[vestal escarp]

You mean for energy?

[lilac stag]

but idk, our tank is ex rogue. He pulls adds in. I get Pi. I chill.

[paper iron]

rogue is unplayable without shaman, fk priests

[lilac stag]

pi on the bleed build is

Sub is unplayable

Assa is fine

[paper iron]

well turns out

it s the same buff for assa

it felt like nothing

but damage output wise it s a looooooooooooooot as assa also

more poisons more deathstalker stuff blablabla

[lilac stag]

sure, but your actual gameplay doesn’t turn to a shit cycle

[vestal escarp]

Yeha due to scaling 2% for assa is big

[paper iron]

as said, there are feelings and numbers

it s not about the mastery, it s about double autos

[lilac stag]

8% shaman buff on sub.

[worn ivy]

Yo boys i tasted a lilbit darkside yesterday. Im afraid to say but assa does everything better on any key.

[vestal escarp]

I will not send a slowpoke sticker

[sacred yarrow]

that was a shitty gif

[worn ivy]

Even in ws

[worn ivy]

Send the coffin dance @alpine wraith

[lilac stag]

@paper iron dslice sims agree with me.

Natty 3.626
Skyfury 3.749
Natty + PI 3.900

[worn ivy]

Natty ?

Monk buff ?

[lilac stag]

no.

[worn ivy]

Battle shout ?

[lilac stag]

my comp. Shout + Mark

skyfury huge for assa was the statement.

Said I rather have my priests PI

[worn ivy]

Shout + mark sims less than skyfurry for sub

[lilac stag]

we’re not talking sub

No one plays that shit

[short radish]

no talking sub in the sub channel

this is assi-general

[worn ivy]

I wanna know if monk buff > shout or thr other way arround ?

[short radish]

#assassination is rogue-general

[lilac stag]

so run a sim

[worn ivy]

Anyone already simmed maybe

We know the best is skyfurry than probably monk buff than shout also dh buff also good for us

So i like to go mw ele feral prot war

Eta gg

I dunno about mark btw i think its not big for us

[lilac stag]

literally just showed pi is better than skyfury

So how is skyfury best?

[alpine wraith]

think once again he is talking sub and you assa

[lilac stag]

if you’re talking skyfury on a spec that does shit overall compared to the other dagger spec, yes 8% is big. Too bad the rest of the tuning on the spec is shit.

[alpine wraith]

ahaha i dont have that gif saved

[lilac stag]

The entire conversation was based around skyfury for assa.

[worn ivy]

I was talking about sub 🙂

[alpine wraith]

see think he jumped in between but yea

skyfury is decent for assa but not as good as PI

[solar charm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[granite hinge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[short radish]

fuck gallywix and shadowstep

i stepped to an raider

and i just died

[swift tinsel]

[short radish]

I CANT EVEN STEP TO A RAIDER

FUCK THIS GAME

[lime edge]

how much do i miss out on by macroing the 90sec cds together and use this opener instead " stealth-shadowstrike-eviscerate-shuriken-rupture-shuriken- flagellation/shadowblades macro-eviscerate-shadowstrike-secret tecn

[swift tinsel]

considering you aren't casting dance/symbols before sectech, a lot

[lime edge]

oh forgot those in there

[swift tinsel]

also, why storm

[lime edge]

give me 30seconds to redo it.

[swift tinsel]

in general, you don't want to macro them together because they have different durations

and they want you to do different things right after casting each one

so you either waste a global of finisher granting flag stacks, or global of blades granting max cp

[lime edge]

how much do i miss out on by macroing the 90sec cds together and use this opener instead " stealth-shadowstrike-eviscerate-shuriken-rupture-shuriken- flagellation/shadowblades macro-eviscerate-shadowstrike-symbols and dance-secret tecn-

storms in there as i was going for aoe here

[swift tinsel]

its not worth

[lime edge]

ive played sub for 4 days its just to make it easier on myself

[vestal escarp]

You missed a vanish in there or you wish you were striking out of thing air

[swift tinsel]

its creating habits that don't really net you any benefit and you'd end up having to re-learn the correct way to do things

so its better to just practice and get the correct muscle memory down

[lime edge]

going off the wowhead opener and i dont see vanish there

[swift tinsel]

so you aren't learning something wrong -> getting used to it -> re-learning the right way

[lime edge]

also do have a question mostly in regards to m+, whats the move if you going on a pack where you dont got the big cds ready? is it just the normal opener but without them? or does it change?

[vestal escarp]

You can play a normal dance yeah

[sly shore]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[void hound]

its so scuffed

i hate it

[vale pine]

its especially bad when he moves

[short radish]

yup

never stepping to the warrior again

[merry agate]

Stepped him once when he jumped across the hole in the middle

Do not recommend

[warm depot]

i have to focus my tank and focus step cuz fuck stepping to gally himself its so scuffed

[rocky ocean]

That’s me waiting the buffs in the bushes

[frail path]

I was thinking about how if blink was bugged on Gally it’d be fixed by now

[random hare]

oh

i just did 4.6m on vexie without having poisons on

the leader fucking pulled insta i got my druid buff half way through

[alpine wraith]

dont worry poisons as sub are whatever

but still funny you didnt have them

[hollow spear]

4.6m? The next best sub parse would be 3.7m in mythic 😮

[tepid trellis]

he is doing hc

[hollow spear]

oh

still quite juicy

[twilit phoenix]

it's not even hc

it's normal

kek

[tepid trellis]

ah

[vestal escarp]

factsniping

[tepid trellis]

the fck he doing normal for

[twilit phoenix]

farming dmg screenshots?

[vestal escarp]

ofc

doctored

[random hare]

9% buff

we're progging pigzee

[tepid trellis]

ah the 3% dmg buff thingy

ic

[dense forge]

is there a bug with nimble flurry rn ?

[sullen hare]

If there was it definitely wouldn't be in the pins

[honest dome]

is there a way to sim the ring with it giving mastery or versa?

[vale pine]

yes, it seems to hit ded targets

so like

😈 😈 ☠️ ☠️ 😈 ☠️ 😈
^ It would hit all of these targets

[hollow plinth]

if you are close enough to them

[patent crystal]

did anyone confirm evasion not working on rik?

[swift tinsel]

didn't work for me last night

[molten citrus]

Seems to be bugged or something

[swift tinsel]

got knocked back/stunned in evasion

[hollow spear]

Yep, also got stunned this morning

[swift tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1342596269193039943/9l2o5h.gif

[vale pine]

solo tested it, so it seems at least inconsistent

[swift tinsel]

fun times

[patent crystal]

Yeah i also got stunned and knocked

[swift tinsel]

at least raidwide parry still works

..for now

also, wow adding hekili is interesting for new players

[keen dome]

Yeah

I'm interested to see how it goes. It's a good idea. but with how lackluster and lacking basic functionality the cooldown manager is.. I dunno, not hopeful

[swift tinsel]

Yeah, I think it'll be okay for specs like ret, bm, etc but anything with any level of complexity will crumble

[jaunty umbra]

it will be godawful for any spec

[keen dome]

Yeah. Still, it's cool to see them trying something here. I just wish they'd have more time to build it out and give it basic functionality.

[jaunty umbra]

horrible idea

[keen dome]

It'll be interesting to see how Blizz sees these specs being played, though.

[pastel rampart]

just saw a new sub rogue pressing shuriken storm in aoe? lmfao must be using rotation helper!!!! clearly ur meant to backstab there

[dry plank]

They have a lot stuff where time investment required but they decide to do “this new shit system”

[keen dome]

Yeah

Cooldown manager is missing fundamental elements that would make it good and needs an addon to add them so like, lmao.

It is the most popular addon in the game.
The majority of players have one installed.
It's an important information to have. They know that in a world where they limit real-time combat tracking, they would need to provide that to players.
They also know that if they do it themselves, they can do it right without issues like phases or range.``` I like this idea, though.

[mint swift]

This is gonna be so shit on sub

[merry agate]

Isnt it implemented for sub yet?

[final holly]

It would be funny if they only did it for a couple specs and just acknowledged that those specs should be the easy new player specs

[slate marlin]

They should do it like that

[stone hound]

crafted wrist and belt w/embellishments + 5 mythic track pieces on top of all the crests spent on upgrading heroic pieces. I don't have the crests to upgrade my new dagger higher than the champion it's replacing. So, where are the crests supposed to come from? Why should I have spent crests on a crafted dagger when I had daggers dropping left and right?

[swift tinsel]

as an accessibility feature, it has uses but for regular play it seems way too hand-holdy

[keen dome]

If you can't edit it, it's also very rigid and might just be 'wrong'

Like, why does the Assa one include deadly poisons and Kingsbane, but not Deathmark?

[void hound]

finally

i could lay down the transmitter

sub is suddenly easy mode

jsus christ

[molten citrus]

Crafting a 675 main hand dagger is like the first thing you do in a season

Main hand weapon is the largest dps increase

[severe prism]

i'd definitly do weeklies + netflix with it tho

[vale pine]

but you can use an addon to make it more useful ^^

[keen dome]

the Blizzard way

"We want to reduce addon usage!"

need an addon to make their attempt work

[vale pine]

maybe hot take

but it seems possible

that they want to have a somewhat reasonable baseline

so you don't need addons

because they might want to release wow to consoles?

🦆

[swift tinsel]

I could see it

only a matter of time before WoW is on Game Pass

[keen dome]

Yeah, I can see it too

[limpid sage]

Is our assistant dmg giga shit on Bandit

or am I just not aligning stuff

[frank bobcat]

are you cleaving off the assistants?

or off of the bandit

[limpid sage]

assistant when it's possible

[frank bobcat]

you should have a dance (or at the very least a SoD) for every assistant set

[limpid sage]

but I'm not sending raw evis without FW

but donno if that's trolling

[frank bobcat]

i doubt thats the difference between doing meaningful add damage and nothing

[limpid sage]

true

also you don't send cds if it makes you desync from the 2x SD in flag window right?

[frank bobcat]

correct

[limpid sage]

good

[frank bobcat]

but you have some flexibility in how you send shadow dances after your cds

like on pull, you can SD once after your cds and then hold the next SD for spin to win and you'll still be able to get your normal CD burst

[limpid sage]

ye just stressing a bit because raid lead wants to bench people that don't deal assistant dmg

and 2nd or 3rd dies as cds come back up I noticed now

[frank bobcat]

you need your second set of CDs for the cc invulnerable adds

[warm marlin]

assistant dmg should be quite good

[grim lake]

any one can confirm your dmg is dogshit in m+? something felt very off with my numbers and I see this nimble flury bug...

[molten citrus]

bug isn't new

[grim lake]

how old?

[molten citrus]

likely since TWW launch

[grim lake]

hmmm, feels like something extra changed with this patch...my numbers just dont look correct from before it

[molten citrus]

nothing has changed

[lilac stag]

Realization projection. AOE feels worse because you know the bug exists. Nothing changed.

Pres BP more if you’ll feel better

[iron fjord]

Any way to minmax monitor settings to see the fire tornados on OAB better?

something like contrast way up or smth

[wide kernel]

i read somewhere zees thug hotline is really good for equip trinkey for sub in raid?

[weak magnet]

Can I cloak the small bomb adds on bandit and dont wipe the raid ?

[iron fjord]

dont know it for sure, but I highly doubt it

[wide kernel]

is it possible at all to swap trinkets inside a dungeon instance?

[stiff spear]

Did they fix being able to use Evasion on Rik Reverb Amplifier drop?

[worn ivy]

yo on OAB do i sent cds on opener or wait for the first coins?

flag comes lilbit late 1st set of adds

[weak magnet]

YEP GOT STUNNED TWICE TODAY

[stiff spear]

we just can't have nice things...

[flat wyvern]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[vale pine]

its annoying

Rick Reverb FIX - Evasion no longer works
It seems like the last set of hotfixes made Evasion not work on the ground slam.

[mint swift]

Oof

Rip richard's tax evasion

[velvet quarry]

Ok so I wasn't going mad when I did that tonight and got stunned!

Also thoughts on HoC HC vs Jasper HC in vault?

[patent lichen]

Sim it

[hexed bluff]

Feck!!

[velvet quarry]

Only hesitation is that I have a chance to buy Reverb dagger on Myth with Dinars

[velvet quarry]

HoC always sims 3% more in most occasions

[steep raven]

Is the Circlet buff dynamic? Because depending on which items I equip first it gives me either Vers or Mastery. How do I know which stat is buffed in my sim?

[proper latch]

I thought I was tripping today

[vale pine]

I also tested it today

so can confirm it not working

[steep raven]

Can I force certain Windsinger Citrine buff in the sim?

[vale pine]

yes

thewarwithin.windsingers_passive_stat=x

replace x with the stat you want

[steep raven]

Thank you ❤️

@vale pine This is how I do it, correct?

Sorry I'm a bit illiterate when it comes to custom sims

[vale pine]

yes, should work

[steep raven]

Wow, somehow there's 1k difference between having vers or mastery on citrine for me. And the swing of both stats between the 2 is kinda huge

[lilac stag]

Not really

As you get higher ilvl vers/mastery & crit all get close in value

[haughty mural]

1k is also not really that much considering where the numbers are right now

[steep raven]

Yeah, but the difference here is 16k vers + 16k mastery vs 21k vers + 11k mastery.
The equal one is 1k ahead

[teal prawn]

1k dps when we’re doing like 2.2 million?

I just want clarification if that’s what you mean

[steep raven]

Yes, I was just surprised how little difference there was

[lilac stag]

At times I really don’t think people understand how insignificant everything really is

[teal prawn]

Entropy comes for us all

[upbeat cradle]

the only significant thing is the lack of sub buffs

[lilac stag]

That’s insignificant

It’s normal

[haughty mural]

We need to get under aug first

[lilac stag]

We warn everyone every expansion

[haughty mural]

We got a strong dmg profile

[lilac stag]

This spec only gets played when it’s significantly ahead. And when it’s significantly ahead it inevitably gets nerfed

the cycle of sub

if you turn if details it’s fun at least.

[haughty mural]

When we are not people tend to roll survival amirite scath

[lilac stag]

much regrets

[north schooner]

how come they removed the dead target attribute for BF but not sub's nimble flurry?

[chilly patio]

Did they ever say why they changed this? It's pretty frustrating not being able to cheat out uptime - was it a bug that got fixed, or a balance change?

[lilac stag]

they’re not going to say anything

[haughty mural]

[paper iron]

all i wanna say

guy did a wowhead post thing

realz came into discord typed 2 sentences

2 days after everything is fixed on outlaw

Rogue has hopes, just need to bring lot of attention

🥺

[lilac stag]

did you see my pi numbers?

BF is more impactful on a spec that doesn’t have an aoe finisher. Also no one at blizzard gives a fuck about Sub.

delulu at this point if you think they care.

[modest river]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[haughty mural]

Which pi numbers ?

[lilac stag]

We were discussing my m+ comp and was brought up how impactful skyfury was for

Said I rather have PI and a priest. It was considerably ahead of swapping it out for shaman in dslice

[haughty mural]

Ah I see

Didn’t have our shaman last raid night, instantly specced sin as I realized

[lilac stag]

yeah subs gameplay and the dps just shits the bed without skyfury

[haughty mural]

Aye

[wide kernel]

Idk people overrate shaman a lot

And then somehow undervalue warrior and monk. When I was simming 1.8, shaman was 150k. Warrior was 80k and when I had both of those monk was 100k

[hazy breach]

Ye warrior and shaman are roughly the same typically

[wispy bolt]

No way they fixed BF and not nimble

[jaunty umbra]

it says in the article all bugs have been fixed

[wide kernel]

Sub with a good comp stops looking so bad. When you try and run it as the boomie or something in meta comp ofc it will look bad

[hazy breach]

Ye for outlaw

[wide kernel]

It does irritate me when my friends ask 'why sub dps bad,' and I look at the comp lol

[jaunty umbra]

uhh

[sullen hare]

Three bugs in a trenchcoat

[gritty knot]

This article from @lucid jackal says that all those bugs for outlaw were fixed. I cant read anything being fixed for sub, though he writes that sub has similar stuff going on with nimble 😂 is this some kind of Joke from Blizz or do they actually want us to go crazy 😂

[wide kernel]

Sub is just a series of bugs In a trench coat, that's how sub rogues are born didn't you learn that in health class

[wide kernel]

They have to nerf sub to fix our bugs is why

[gritty knot]

Nah I cant even laugh about this kind of stuff anymore..this is just ridicoulus at this point...

[lucid jackal]

It'll be fixed in a few days

I know you are in a competition to be a professional victim

But it'll be okay, trust me

fazed got fixed for sub afaik

[gritty knot]

We are actually a victim 😂

[lucid jackal]

It's just the flurry bug, which thankfully isn't that big of an issue compared to outlaw

Considering above target count, you black powder anywya

[wide kernel]

What's this sub buff? How do more damage now

[hazy breach]

Did not

[wide kernel]

This prob does mean they are working on rogues

[gritty knot]

Ye. Another Black Powder 20% dmg buff inc and 2 hours perma tricks instead of 1

[wide kernel]

Did you guys see that they are making 1 button macros for full rotations

[hazy breach]

People are already using stuff like heiklii so idk doesnt matter much

[wide kernel]

Wow dev look at ret and says the game is too hard

[hazy breach]

Like theyre adding a gcd penalty to it so its gonna be bad to use

If you care about performance

But its for people that dont

[molten citrus]

tbf Fazed might be fixed for sub and just not NF

[wide kernel]

More of a meme ik but still

[hazy breach]

What

Nimble is the thing thats bugged

[molten citrus]

unless you or solo checked that too idk

[wide kernel]

What is broken for fazed

[hazy breach]

Like fazed works with everything else afaik

[molten citrus]

fazed was also "bugged" for outlaw

was it not for sub?

[hazy breach]

I thought it was just not amplifying blade flurry

Was there more

[gritty knot]

Maybe I got that all wrong but when its a big pull. Let's say 14 targets. U BP and 7 die quickly, the other 7 have more HP and live longer, the 7 already dead corpses are there. U start to nimble and then u only hit maintarget and not the other 6? Or did I got that all wrong. Because of it's like that it's pretty big or not?

[lucid jackal]

Something to note with this bug is that corpses don't move

[hazy breach]

I mean its relevant for sub, just not nearly as relevant as on outlaw

[wide kernel]

Idk it seemed like intended mechanic similar for nimble not applying FW would fazed not be the same

[hazy breach]

Well if you have fazed and find weakness on all targets

How much do you expect nimble to do, 60% of your main hit?

No, its actually 57% because nimble doesnt benefit from fazed

If you only have fazed on your main target

Then thats the expected value

Whereas your BP is gonna do the same to all targets because it works with fazed

[wide kernel]

If it's changed it's a buff to some pulls of brew and top and some other random stuff too ig

[gritty knot]

I mean honestly this just pisses me off af. U should think that Blizz would fix such a bug immediately for every spec which is hitting fkn corpses with cleave for 0 dmg. But they are propably busy rn with developing the "Housing - stuff" so it's rdy in 2 years finally

[molten citrus]

[wide kernel]

Bro that's not it, they are spending time making sure ret and bm are near the top end of parses

[lucid jackal]

?

This bug has been known for like, less than 4 days

[hazy breach]

Sure being upset about a bunch of other bugs, but being upset that they fixed a bug 4 days after it was discovered

Is wild

[wide kernel]

From what was said in here this bug has been in the game for a long time

Is that true.

[hazy breach]

Well yes, but its hard to fix stuff when you dont know about it you know

[tepid trellis]

i ranted about it last season for about a week or so but i never found out what caused it

[lucid jackal]

Hard to fix bugs you don't know exist

lol

[wide kernel]

How did we as a community not know given we are parse fiends

[lucid jackal]

Its been a tinfoil theory in outlaw for awhile

Finally found the culprit in logs with proof

[gritty knot]

I know. And I understand it's huge for outlaw. But why fix it for outlaw and not for sub too then 😂 feels weird. And also this is just the cherry on the top for me rn why i am upset. It's a series of events leading to my anger.

[molten citrus]

when you don't know exactly what you're looking for, its not easy to find

[hazy breach]

Because its a different bug

Allegedly getting fixed soonTM

[wide kernel]

Do we know if it did or did not get changed for sub or

[tepid trellis]

as of 1st of may 1:49 am

it has not

[lucid jackal]

because its two different bugs

[leaden prairie]

the title of the article was "outlaw"

owned buddy

[gritty knot]

Yes. And I am looking forward to an article saying "Sublety" soon.

[paper iron]

outwned

[edgy zenith]

bro why can't you evasion rik amplifiers anymore

fucked up

got absolutely slammed last night

[hazy breach]

It got fixed

[edgy zenith]

yeah, real weird

they never do stuff like that

[final holly]

I get if they didn't intend for it to be evaded but like why "fix" it? Was rogue really so overtuned for Richard that we needed to be stopped?

[leaden prairie]

I doubt they went out of their way to fix that

Probably an accident

[molten citrus]

@hazy breach

[stoic sphinx]

they added 20 targets to teh chain targets field?

why do that instead of removing the allow dead target flag

thats so random

[leaden prairie]

Doesn't that mean it could still bug out above 20 targets

Or wdym

[stoic sphinx]

yeah i would assume so

just so weird considering they removed the flag for blade flurry

[leaden prairie]

They removed the dead target for bf ye but

[leaden prairie]

What is this thing supposed to do really

[stoic sphinx]

why not do the same for nimble is my question

well some1 should check

[leaden prairie]

Just like allow it to loop through more targets or what

[stoic sphinx]

does it hit 28 targets now? lol

surely not right

[hybrid prism]

hey blizz, y'all got any of that subtlety tuning?????

PLEASE

[hazy breach]

Ye but the fazed thing is not live yet atleast

[brisk onyx]

so what is chain targets

[leaden prairie]

Bf hit 7 only still if that's what you mean

[stoic sphinx]

nah nimble

[leaden prairie]

But idk what this chain target thing is supposed to do

Well bf got the same tag tho

[stoic sphinx]

oh it did you right

[leaden prairie]

From 5 to 25

[stoic sphinx]

thats so random

[leaden prairie]

I just have no idea what it's supposed to do

[molten citrus]

yeah, idk

i honestly haven't spec'd sub in weeks

[leaden prairie]

It is for outlaw

[hazy breach]

Presumably fixing it any other way would either break something else or be annoying

Ye but not for sub

[leaden prairie]

I'm not gonna say they forgot about sub

But they probably did

[molten citrus]

the post says its fixed

[stoic sphinx]

yeah kinda looks like it

[hazy breach]

Its allegedly getting fixed soon

[stoic sphinx]

maybe the hotfix is queued

[molten citrus]

but i definitely don't doubt that it isn't in or something

[warm marlin]

so bug will still occur if you somehow have 20+ corpses closer to you than 8 live targets

[hazy breach]

Ye but numbers say it isnt

[warm marlin]

probably

[leaden prairie]

I hope not

[molten citrus]

ye was mainly replying to zac there

[leaden prairie]

I guess that would be very unlucky at that point

[molten citrus]

like i don't think its 'forgotten'

[leaden prairie]

But for example on mewdery

On that clip where we finally found out the bug happening

There is 25 targets

And the first 2 to die

I lose 2 bf targets

Kekw

[stoic sphinx]

// The chain target number, 0 == no chain, 1 == first target, etc.

well that isnt very helpful

[leaden prairie]

But I guess if it was chaining it would look for other then

Or idk I don't understand what that thing is supposed to be

[warm marlin]

ye presumably it would look at the nearest 28 targets, and choose any that are alive

[leaden prairie]

Is it used for other things

[leaden prairie]

Ye I guess

[warm marlin]

so you would have to somehow fill out a 28 target cap with corpses to truly get screwed

[leaden prairie]

Hm

[warm marlin]

which seems unlikely

[hazy breach]

Pulls above 15 are very rare anyway

[leaden prairie]

[hazy breach]

So pulls above like 30

Is practically never a thing

[leaden prairie]

(every mewdery pull)

I have a target counter and it depress me everytime I do this dungeon

[stoic sphinx]

as far as i can tell in data chain targets is just used to set number of targets something hits

but clearly thats not how BF/NF are working

[final holly]

Playing outlaw with a target counter sounds like self harm

[stoic sphinx]

so some weird shit must be happening

[leaden prairie]

Ye

[final holly]

When I play outlaw I hide details and have fun pressing between the eyes over and over 😌

[stoic sphinx]

my best guess is that it is looping through the number of enemies (in the case of blade flurry it will remove dead targets) and it will try and hit the first 8 but in the case a target is immune? or something maybe it will not skip it and move onto the next target up to 25 (BF) or 28 (NF)

[leaden prairie]

Hm

I could see it

[stoic sphinx]

hm chain targets in simc seems to be wired up to start sqrt scaling after the chain target amount. so maybe some edge case they were trying to prevent

[leaden prairie]

Wish bf has sqrt scaling after 8 fr fr