Does atrophic poison stack w dev aura? From paly
#subtlety
wet lava
tepid trellis
yes they work differently from eachother
plush roost
we wiped far too many times and I just started looking for tiny things to do since i was waiting to kill the bosslol
tepid trellis
ones from the mob hit by the poison other one is a global DR
wet lava
Also sorry for the double question but cinderbrew feels awful as sub, any tips for dealing with the brew drops. Takes forever for me to help kill feels like I slow the team down a lot
lilac stag
lilac stag
where did my DM go?
tribal blade
that was one of the reasons i just swapped to sin for the rest of sprocket prog
even though i had progged most of the fight as sub
i was just fed up
tribal blade
i'm enjoying doing absurd overall in keys as sin
lilac stag
We were so close to stix last night. Unfortunate balls running into each other at 5% and bouncing into a bomb.
tepid trellis
surely they buff sub soon
so i dont have to play assa all of farm to do competitive dmg with my guildies
RIGHT?
lilac stag
tribal blade
i dunno dude, i was holding out hope but i don't trust the devs
tepid trellis
it aint the class devs that decided tuning
tribal blade
ah ok, i actually have no idea who does tuning tbh
haughty rose
bruh literally all i try is to get better
isnt that channel for it? to ask questions? even if they sound dumb too some?
keen dome
Will they buff sub well is the real question 
lilac stag
isnt that channel for it? to ask questions? even if they sound dumb too some?
There’s a difference between sounding dumb and blasting the guides for missing 5% info / dmg or whatever the fuck ya think is hiding
haughty rose
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923898501529600/1362749152034...
i don't assume anything except that a text guide only can tell you that much. seeing how things are done is always better and wowanalyzer is the only tool i can think of
keen dome
You might have a better time looking at lorrgs
Or having a look at the top performing sub logs
haughty rose
There’s a difference between sounding dumb and blasting the guides for missing 5...
and i did not blast the guide sorry if it sounded like that. wowhead is doing gods work and i'm only at the point where i can and want to milk more out of this spec because of it
lilac stag
pretty sure the text guides have same pictures you’re looking at on WA, just correct and not getting player mistakes added in.
tepid trellis
considering wowanalyzer isnt being kept up to date then yeah, looking at logs is better
haughty rose
considering wowanalyzer isnt being kept up to date then yeah, looking at logs is...
isn't wowanalyzer basically logs?
lilac stag
no
keen dome
It's easier to give advice or improvement suggestions with a concrete question than a nebulous 5% thing. Having a look at the top logs / lorrgs, etc and learning the why of choices made is gonna go further.
And then you can (if needed) ask questions about those and people'll be able to help
haughty rose
yall are focusing too much on my 5% call fr
lilac stag
no we’re not
tepid trellis
isn't wowanalyzer basically logs?
not remotely no
haughty rose
no we’re not
i read like 5 times people mentioning it
lilac stag
that’s your view, and you’re arguing the fact
keen dome
I'm just using it as an example as how it's nebulous and doesn't help give good advice in response
lilac stag
when we are all literally telling you the guides are how you should be playing it
Lorrgs can help with adjusting for mechanic timings
keen dome
And logs can be really useful to see the way people open, or shift their focus or move things around.
lilac stag
anyways. glfh. Moving on.
keen dome
Esp with the variance of different group setups
tepid trellis
Wowanalyzer needs someone to code it so its setup to the way sub is supposed to be played so it can show you what you did wrong in a log
and nobody is keeping it up to date
to my knowledge
lilac stag
no one is
lilac stag
it should still have a big fat warning on it
it used to at least
Assuming it still does
leaden prairie
but stopped quite fast
its just a lot of work
cause
a lot of things need to be coded in first, as in how the abilities works
mint swift
I mean just post the log and have people that know the specs look at it
leaden prairie
so the analyzer can properly analyze it
tepid trellis
yeh i know
mint swift
They can also give reasons to why you change something
tepid trellis
alot of work for not alot of return
leaden prairie
and then you have to code things to anlayze the data if you want people to get good advices
tribal blade
"you have not used as many backstabs as top logs"
leaden prairie
ye i mean
tribal blade
what i vaguely remember from it
leaden prairie
if you have a bad implementation of wowA ye
haughty rose
i talk about the timeline thingy from wow analyzer not my own ones
leaden prairie
but some specs have great implementations
haughty rose
isn't it updated everytime someone posts a log?
leaden prairie
analyzes your cds windows, your ramps, where you did mistakes and shit
not just comparing stuffs
leaden prairie
isn't it updated everytime someone posts a log?
no cuase
you need to code stuffs
idk that much about what can go wrong for sub for example
tribal blade
it's kinda like raidbots simming
leaden prairie
but for outlaw
tribal blade
i imagine
haughty rose
where it looks like that.
leaden prairie
you need to exclude all the casts that arent casts for example
make sure the cooldowns are proper durations (code the talnet interactions etc, if stuffs resets you need to code that)
haughty rose
analyzes your cds windows, your ramps, where you did mistakes and shit
yeah no i'm not talking about that part of wowanalyzer but the timeline when the selected player hit which button etc
leaden prairie
ye thats what im talking about here
leaden prairie
mint swift
How are things going
tribal blade
How are things going
good!
mint swift
Nice nice
leaden prairie
for outlaw for example, when i was doing it , i had to code the fact that fth secondaries shots arent real casts, same for a few other things, had to make sure all the cooldowns were proper, some werent working with restless blades for example
mint swift
Times all 13s yesterday and got my first 14 times
leaden prairie
then the timeline is all messed up
tribal blade
very nice
mint swift
Just gonna start trying to get premades tho
leaden prairie
if you dont have everything proper
haughty rose
make sure the cooldowns are proper durations (code the talnet interactions etc, ...
ah i gotcha. thought that's done automatically but i'm not too much into the technical side of that
tribal blade
i just need to time a 15 cinderbrew and i'll have resil 15
tribal blade
i'm running with a set team atm, but we're not super hard pushing
mint swift
Ah ok
leaden prairie
ah i gotcha. thought that's done automatically but i'm not too much into the tec...
the only thing that is automatic is the timeline picking up all your casts, which at this point its the same timeline as the wcl one
mint swift
Yea minus a cinder 13 pugged everything so far
leaden prairie
all the rest isnt really
mint swift
15s feel easy af honesty
Yesterday I was top dps in all4 groups
Pugs are so inconsistent and horrid
tribal blade
yeah i'm currently probably around 100 or so points lower than i would be if i was pushing like i did back in the day
just from the ease i can pug remaining 15s i need and time em
carrying the other dps
mint swift
The problem is pugs are inconsistent
Like the 14 DFC I did was easier than it on a 13 12 and even 11
tribal blade
i did find good pugs today to time 15 rookery and 15 flood
mint swift
Because I had a good tank and healer
tribal blade
they didn't do good dmg, but they didn't int
mint swift
We had like multiple minutes left and 0 deaths
tribal blade
very nice
mint swift
It’s so infuriating how pugs just hold things back
Because I know I can play my class n such well
But just pugs can’t heal properly
tribal blade
yup that's the price of pugging your way to push IO
it's why if you're gonna pug to title you have to play absurd hours for the entire season
so you can ride the wave of the good players
and not get left behind
once you get left behind it's a bit hard to catch back up because you're relying on playing with subpar people
but if you play really well you'll rise above
mint swift
Yea I’m trying to find a push group but from what I’ve seen BM is the worst hunter spec atm
Due to balance this season, worse still isn’t bad
mint swift
I did and it ain’t my thing
Having to stand still defeats the point of me playing hunter
Plus it’s proc based
Surv is fun as hell tho and can still hit hard
Saw someone press mongoose bite for 42 million
tribal blade
but then you're kinda stuck to being melee again
tribal blade
although surv is kinda half melee half ranged
keen dome
You can spoon feed stuff to a pug and it's still a gamble if they ever pay attention or make an effort.
lilac stag
@tribal blade are you running 
or 
in ToP?
mint swift
Also bombs and kill command and explosive shot
tribal blade
<@146180393941336064> are you running <:BleedBuild:1358218723986509834> or <:sub...
i just run bleed everywhere now
the ST is kinda meh but it doesn't matter when you blow everything up in aoe
also every boss in ToP has at least 1 extra target during the fight
lilac stag
did you swap to IW for last boss? I swear we’re light on stops
leaden prairie
you need one cc or one kick per add everything blow up
tribal blade
they also die really fast
leaden prairie
even if kicks go thourgh shit does 0 damage anywya
tribal blade
picking up IW means you lose a fuckton of damage
lilac stag
yeah idk we did one and it seemed like we were missing something
leaden prairie
a dh tank probably
lilac stag
It was late and last key so skill issue
tribal blade
if you're scared for them just hold vanish charges for the adds
lilac stag
Warrior, Rogue, Hunter Boomie & Priest. Check no DH. Haha
tribal blade
you guys have plenty of stops
lilac stag
never running sub comp
lilac stag
Fucking skyfury
tribal blade
it makes me play worse because i get tilted and then i do even less dam
tribal blade
i love raid buffs in m+ !
save me from this eternal suffering
BUT at least as sin you don't feel it
but my group has a sham 😉
leaden prairie
as outlaw its like 15/20% more damage when you play with your raid buffs
and the meta comp doesnt run any
so your spec is just 15% worse
for no reason
tribal blade
the squishvegan comp
leaden prairie
i mean its worse as sub even
at least sub benefit from dh
i guess
there is that
tribal blade
yeah you gain something like 50% of the dh buff
lilac stag
we’re casually pushing, I’m just happy to have a consistent group to play with tbh
tribal blade
we’re casually pushing, I’m just happy to have a consistent group to play with t...
TRUE
if you could convince your hunter to swap to sham you would have a great time
graceful crown
i feel like such an idiot, man, i had seaforium in my vault as myth like 3 times in a row, but i never took it cuz my sims told me its not worth it and now i find out it's the most sought after trinket on archon........
lilac stag
Our boomie has been a one trick since wrath
tribal blade
is he playing MM?
lilac stag
He goes between mm and bm no cd
tribal blade
i feel like such an idiot, man, i had seaforium in my vault as myth like 3 times...
good for all 3 rogue specs, tragic
lilac stag
bm pets tilt me
paper iron
U tilt me
slate lantern
i feel like such an idiot, man, i had seaforium in my vault as myth like 3 times...
Archon is dumb, sims are smart
paper iron
tribal blade
oh wee wee je sweet
paper iron
?????
paper iron
What drugs are u on
tribal blade
only the best drugs
paper iron
Oh
lilac stag
Sub hopium
graceful crown
also... i finally got the bis raid os weapons for outlaw, but i have so much mastery since i main sub that main gauge is literally up there with between the eyes lol
paper iron
How cool is that
leaden prairie
censi are you still french?
leaden prairie
real
paper iron
Wassup fam how ya do t'day
leaden prairie
soixante quatorze
leaden prairie
leaden prairie
nono
sterile kiln
<@352916297262301194> imma teach u à french fun fact. No words rhyme with Quato...
formose
paper iron
What does that even mean
Also
Im hyppopotomonstrosequipedaliophobic
Dont go rude on me
lilac stag
sterile kiln
What does that even mean
very niche chemistry term
leaden prairie
https://tenor.com/view/kermit-kermit-the-frog-french-baguette-oui-gif-1246797322...
bet you would do a good french scath
lilac stag
possibly. I grew up with a French Canadian family next door. I taught them Chicago accent. They taught me Quebec accent.
leaden prairie
quebec accent 
paper iron
Imagine we tell us you could be à good french
And your answer contain "french canadian"
lilac stag
vestal escarp
lilac stag
Imagine we tell us you could be à good french
I would be good at a horrible accent, as in good for laughs
Keep up
keen dome
I wish my neighbours ever taught me something cool
lilac stag
Better with a German accent
rammstein taught me everything I needed to know that high school German failed to give me.
paper iron
I wish my neighbours ever taught me something cool
Mine taught me how to hide bodies
Can be usefull
lilac stag
Did they teach you to bury the bodies and plant endangered species plants over it so they may never be disturbed?
paper iron
I cant leak it all
vale pine
https://www.lorrgs.io/
Any guide will, but you can use this website to see how people line up cooldowns in detail to get your 100%
keen dome
Did they teach you to bury the bodies and plant endangered species plants over i...
oh that's smart
hollow spear
I can emphathize with wanting to squeeze out the last bits of juice of a spec
Most of the times it's coming from people who don't get their opener right, though 
Maybe I am too jaded 😅
lilac stag
youre more violet than jade
hollow spear
I've strayed from the path
tribal blade
I've strayed from the path
recraft it to crit/mast so you can use it on both specs
hollow spear
meh
it's not even noticeably better on OAB
and with the current gear, Rik's barrels are a joke anyways
my gut tells me that we wouldnt have gotten nerfed as much pre-season if transmitter hadn't existed
tribal blade
kinda just cosmetic anyways considering all the other specs that carry that fight
lilac stag
It’s def better for our comp on stix but that an us thing
hollow spear
what is?
hollow spear
oh
lilac stag
Range and target swapping. 
swift tinsel
Lol ours were inting ranged barrel on rik prog last night
hollow spear
range were dps-whoring on the melee stack
lilac stag
Literally watching me and our DH fly around the fucking room on replays
hollow spear
and melee had to run to the far add all the time
maybe I have to play ranged next season
not sure I can take another season of this
lilac stag
At the end of the night I asked him how much he enjoyed hitting the melee adds.
I started trying to send VE portal at times
swift tinsel
maybe I have to play ranged next season
actively considering this too lol
we're like 9-10 melee and 5-6 ranged iirc
hollow spear
yeah, our ranged are currently busy dropping drills on melee
lilac stag
hunter arc
hollow spear
:^)
swift tinsel
we have a hunter that just refuses to do mechanics bc "I get 5fps"
swift tinsel
but has no problem complaining about all the mythics they run and gear they don't get
swift tinsel
yeee I know its not a pc issue bc its literally only when they get asked to do stuff like toys on cauldron
keen dome
How many addons do they have installed
swift tinsel
lmfao they're bottom third anyways
swift tinsel
HERESEY
lilac stag
Don’t tell them that
lilac stag
LIES!
swift tinsel
It's hilarious bc our other hunter is one of the most mechanically solid ranged players I've ever played with and makes the class look fantastic
swift tinsel
he's normally a lock but swapped
glacial orbit
MY PARSE
yeah hunters tend to do that
because they know they will be on mechanic duty
as if that stops them from parsing
lilac stag
Sorry. I’m SV. Only melee mechanics
glacial orbit
i once joined a pug group to do heroic
and we were at sprocket
leader goes "hunters do bombs"
a bm hunter says "i'm not doing that i want to parse"
leader goes "then leave" and kicks him
swift tinsel
SV objectively best hunter spec
glacial orbit
then the bm proceeds to show us how special he is and why the hunter stereotypes exist by pulling the boss to wipe the group
lilac stag
Bravo
vale pine
to be fair, if the only reason he joined the group was to parse
it makes sense on both sides
no hard feelings to kick the guy ^^
tribal blade
i'm doing that the next time i'm in mythic with my guild
"nah i'm not doing that, i want to parse"
lilac stag
"nah i'm not doing that, i want to parse"
This is what happens when you give away my kicks to the benched boomie
limpid sage
won't you have time to coup before the shadow hits of sectec though? I have trouble seeing why it would be a dps increase and not just lose the possibility of you using a dry sectec
swift tinsel
you'd have to build in between
lilac stag
i'm in for bandit so i'm chilling
Share bandit tech once you kill. I think we extend starting next week and stix dies.
tribal blade
Share bandit tech once you kill. I think we extend starting next week and stix d...
seems pretty alright so far, just mostly turn off all your addons you don't need for the fight
so your frames don't shit the bed
and hard swap to adds as sub so you can prog the boss
lilac stag
Delays anything or the timings line up?
tribal blade
i haven't looked at the entire fight yet
but so far it's basically lining up dances with adds
and your 2nd cd set lines up pretty much perfectly with the fixate adds coming out
so you do big dam to them
leaden prairie
You have to hold it a little ye
And send right before boss phase basically
But then I think the boss is fairly intuitive
Where you just kinda never dance on boss
And always dance on reel assistant
Unless it's 2 min timers
Cause then they die anyway so you can do whatever you want with these dances
Like if you hold the 2 min dance you are able to send on the 3 little guys spawning quickly after for example
tribal blade
so far the fight doesn't feel that bad to me
leaden prairie
i tought the fight was really good for sub while progging it
granted we had a terrible comp
but i did very usefull damage to the melee reel assistant
and sub was soloing the 1min30 pop for us '
so clearly felt fine
lilac stag
Im guessing lockesprock doesn’t matter what you play.
tribal blade
so clearly felt fine
yeah sub so far feels great on bandit
tribal blade
Im guessing lockesprock doesn’t matter what you play.
if you don't want to get tilted by the boss facing you and losing FW play sin
sin does more dam on locken anyways
lilac stag
if you don't want to get tilted by the boss facing you and losing FW play sin
So get tilted by KB parry. ✅
leaden prairie
outlaw boss no cap
lilac stag
I’ve got the haste vers fist on mythic track. Maybe we 
wicked joltBOT
During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.
lilac stag
We are basically a macroless spec
There are a couple that are ok if you have the non-macro as well
swift tinsel
different lengths, and different following casts since flag wants you to spend the global after and blades wants you to build
ember gate
thats what I thought, flag is popped before even dance or symbols.
twilit phoenix
lilac stag
I think my only macros are Sectech and CB (Sectech still bound separately) and HoC to SBlades
swift tinsel
same, anything else is either pointless or redundant
vale pine
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.!bs
wicked joltBOT
Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.
vale pine
^ for macros
dry cave
i have shadowstrike and backstab macro'd into the same key depending on whether i am in stealth mode or not
hexed bluff
Love you all and your large brains
vale pine
i have shadowstrike and backstab macro'd into the same key depending on whether ...
thats fine too
fierce cedar
ait thanks
plush roost
won't you have time to coup before the shadow hits of sectec though? I have trou...
You're assuming you have 7 stacks of sht already available which is almost never the case. There are very few opportunities to dry sec tec in most encounters. You can maybe find 1 and its more of a loss to look for it than to use coup->sec tec during a shadow dance anyway
brittle plinth
The real problem with macros, in my experience, is that for every situation you can think of them potentially working there will be countless iterations where they wont.
I had an opening one when all cds ready but all it did was delay learning how to do it manually for the 99% of the times I needed to know the rotation
wide kernel
i just do mine in steps, I have symbols/dance macro'd, CB and Sectec macro'd and when I find I have mental bandwidth or I find a specific thing i'm doing to be an issue, I just address it then. But because something is macro'd doesn't mean you can't then also manually do it
limpid sage
You're assuming you have 7 stacks of sht already available which is almost never...
Ah that’s true. Yeah I guess the potential dry sectec is not worth losing 15% on dance sectec + an unseen blade stack over
young mural
__Subtlety Macros:__
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Co...
my cracked version of this
ancient whale
!wa
wicked joltBOT
brittle plinth
I'll show you cracked
When I was starting out, this is what I sent when cds were up and I had CPs ready to go
/castsequence reset=10 Flagellation, Rupture, Symbols of Death, Shadow Dance, Backstab, Shadow Blades, 14, !Cold Blood, Secret Technique
random hare
/castsequence reset=10 Flagellation, Rupture, Symbols of Death, Shadow Dance, Ba...
@paper iron
brittle plinth
There is one more
But I can't share that one
It's so undercooked and ignorant
I keep it as a reminder never to touch the csq world again lol
brittle plinth
Ya but disc priests killed any joy of pvp
fair anchor
so are sectec clones not hitting on Rookery first and last boss ?
cause my damage distribution on bosses this dungeon is very sus
paper iron
last boss i havent reported any issue myself
🤔
first boss dont send any sectech while he s in the middle
fair anchor
idk eviscerate was above sectec for me on the last boss so I thought it was sus
and here i thought it was smart for me to go sub on this key for bosses
outplayed
final holly
Check the breakdown of the damage done by sectech, you should see the damage done by yourself and akaari separately
If akaari is missing or making up less than ~80% then the clones didn't hit
alpine wraith
most of the time in st evis will be higher dont worry
wide kernel
How much is the damage Amp from rookery last boss?
young mural
dudes
does anyone have a dank weak aura that reminds you to pre symbols before pull???
for the extra supercharger stacks
honest brook
does anyone have a dank weak aura that reminds you to pre symbols before pull???
i forget all the time
young mural
i forget all the time
exactly, thats why I want that aura
bright sundial
hely guys hope yall havin a woderful day so far, question on wowhead i wanna try ds in keys and it says that cause of all the shadow dmg dark brew builds are good but you still take the rotten over dark brew any reason why?
wide kernel
Sims probably
Iirc the main point is to enable FW with shuriken storm in aoe
In m+ that's pretty important
bright sundial
Iirc the main point is to enable FW with shuriken storm in aoe
makes sense ty
wide kernel
Dark brew is only + 10% right? Along with some damage conversion
bright sundial
real quesiton for ds do you ever use tornado in ST?
if not then raidbots be trippn using that in st XD
wide kernel
ds is cool but it desperately needs an overhaul. It's not an m+ spec and it's arguably not a ST raid spec
young mural
!wa
wicked joltBOT
young mural
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923898501529600/1359611328292...
dave you're insane
tyvm
wide kernel
What's the apm requirement to play sub well? I hear lots of complaints about outlaw but aren't we in the 70's as well
swift tinsel
I gotchu bb
young mural
david helping the david out
young mural
What's the apm requirement to play sub well? I hear lots of complaints about out...
outlaw is overall more APM, even when sub is in burst window
thats what i've seen people say in here
wide kernel
Yeah but compared to each other what's the difference
warm marlin
Yeah but compared to each other what's the difference
sub in burst = 70ish
sub outside = 30-40
outlaw all the time = 80-90
dawn summit
What's the apm requirement to play sub well? I hear lots of complaints about out...
sub has a few gcds every 90 seconds that are very high apm
outlaw has that apm all the time
if i had to make a comparison, actually pressing the right buttons is more difficult on sub for those few gcds but there's 0 decisionmaking involved, outlaw is very very chaotic until you know exactly what you're doing
the hard part of playing sub is the thinking, the hard part of playing outlaw is the doing
(the hard part of playing assa is the not falling asleep)
brittle plinth
sub is 1s gcd no proc reacting
I mean, there is one proc you react to.
brittle plinth
Si
paper iron
is sht really a random proc? You know when it will happen in 99% cases
brittle plinth
You got a good idea, for sure.
brittle plinth
But this wouldn't be the internet if you didn't get one pedantic as fuck response right? 😛
short radish
I mean, there is one proc you react to.
There's two procs actually, sht that you mentioned and the one to apply fazed
wide kernel
No there's three procs sub has to react to. The third is the tank without omniCD
And you never know when that proc is gonna come up
rapid oasis
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
rapid oasis
Just out of curiosity, how far behind is deathstalker in ST?
plush roost
About 5%
wide kernel
Is it? There were optimizations and TC in the tc channel that put ds 200k ahead
Or I saw that said at least
young mural
Is it? There were optimizations and TC in the tc channel that put ds 200k ahead
just sim it and figure it out i guess
young mural
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
marble rock
Hey is there a % of haste minimum for m+ ?
rocky ocean
haste bad
dry cave
but also sim
marble rock
Ok ty ❤️ and about Mastery and Versa are there really equal or thats change for mono/multi ?
I'm at 6% haste actually
rocky ocean
I wonder why dont they dont want to change haste for sub and mastery for outlaw
vale pine
having one "bad" stat isn't that impactful
if they wanted haste to be good, a easy way to make it is to add talents which convert it to something useful
having diffrences between classes is also what fundermentally makes the game fun
it is why i was and still am not a big fan of "giving everything to everyone" which happened on rogue a lot in DF
for dps, it can make sense to give diffrent identities or add something due to missing parts
e.g. if your spec is not good in cleave damage but also not good in single target, there might be something wrong in design that needs fixing
but diffrent amounts of scaling from stats is rarely relevant, mostly if blizz adds excessive amounts of a stat via a gameplay mechanic like on one of the last bosses in DF or in pandaria remix
void ocean
I dont mind specs getting "everything" as long as its not exactly how we have it now on sub, one talent setup, almost same rotation up to 7 targets etc...
i like when u have to change talents a bit regarding the fight, change rotation etc
but having it all on one spec saves time for us who cant rly gear up all specs fast enough
vale pine
I think many will say the opposite
having flexible talents which work in both st and aoe is also a strength
its just not tuned in a way to shine
void ocean
true, but it becomes a bit stale imho
vale pine
i think what would be nice is to have some of the unused/bad talents reworked
so you have more good option and can, even tho overall only slightly
specialize
e.g. i rly like the idea of getting the sylvanas dagger effect as a talent in the last tier
the effect is a mostly single target effetc, so it competes in single target vs. aoe
it also adds some small amount of execute to the spec
having it means you would need to trade off one of the other talents to get
so you either sacrafice flexibility or lower your aoe damage etc.
vernal junco
The key issue is that WoW's combat doesn't really demand diversity.
Maybe there's a spec that's really cool — it only needs to do ONE full rotation every minute, dealing damage for 10 seconds, and then it can do whatever it wants for the rest of the time. But setting aside Mythic+, what kind of raid encounter design could support that? Can raid encounters be tailored specifically for that one spec? And if a "DPS that can handle mechanics most of the time" becomes mandatory, isn't that unfair to other specs?
In interviews, the designers said they hoped liberation of undermine would challenge raid groups in terms of diversity—for example, testing mobility. But in the end, it actually limited group diversity rather than increasing it.
wet lava
Do u use spenders on 6 or 5 cp
vale pine
In interviews, the designers said they hoped liberation of undermine would chall...
I think its a old problem of rogue
e.g. legion and bfa you rarely did not just default to assassiantion
because it did everything you needed for the raids and was always tuned the best
we are in a similar situation since DF s3 again
but encounters give some benefits to specs, e.g. subtlety is quite good on the last boss, the problem is the boss is tuned too low and as such it barely matters
in contrast the hardest boss of the tier is mugzee
where selecting spec matters a lot, assassination can do noticable more on the fight than the other 2 specs
i am unsure what's a healthy amount of niche is, how much should a spec be allowed to beat others and how many niches are fair when the baseline is ver ysimilar?
vernal junco
My view has always been that there are too many specializations. Blizzard should consider removing some of them. (should, tho impossible)
specs under a single class are, in essence, not that different from having different talent builds on one tree — you’ll always just pick the strongest one.
Casting different-colored fireballs using different-named resources doesn’t actually bring any meaningful difference to the gameplay experience.
void ocean
And they obv lack resources to maintain/balance all of that
More often than not, 3-dps classes end up with one spec being dead
hollow spear
I feel like rogue is even more limited than the other 3 dps classes
Because it's melee
wet lava
Sub is coolest spec in game just wish it wasn't overshadowed by the other rogue specs constantly
fallow nimbus
I mean with the aura stuff we could have a good balance if blizz had the balls to just buff/nerf specs every week and also admit mistakes and correct nerfs of the past. Holy shit why do we still have the high energy cost nerf and also got sectec nerfed?
tribal blade
i'm having a slight identity crisis because it feels like i'm on the never ending hamster wheel of trying to main sub when we get treated like this
short radish
i'm having a slight identity crisis because it feels like i'm on the never endin...
i have just accepted it
main it until you cant
then play whatever is ~~meta ~~ rogue spec doenst suck because stats dont matter
tribal blade
yeah i'm just fully a sin main in keys right now
tribal blade
although i might use sub in workshop or ToP maybe
tribal blade
lol exactly
short radish
im probably doing everything wrong but sin is in aoe is so mongo bongo
i just do damage anyway
i do do 0 boss damage though 🙂
fallow nimbus
Play +10 only and every key is big pulls 
tribal blade
the boss dam is nothing to write home about, but it's passable
sin makes up for it by doing really high aoe every single pull
and then your boss dam is very good whenever there are multiple targets
short radish
the boss dam is nothing to write home about, but it's passable
i feel like im competing with the tank on boss damage
tribal blade
it's not quite that bad i feel
short radish
yeah like i said im probably playing assi wrong
tribal blade
i think it's kinda rough because you feel like you should be filling every single gcd
warm goblet
yeah i'm just fully a sin main in keys right now
PepeHands
tribal blade
there's a lot of just not pressing globals playing bleed in ST
warm goblet
I remember DF S3 when you were one of the few that actually pushed all their keys as sub
warm goblet
Was also gunning for title, my mates wanted to force me to roll outlaw
You inspired me to keep playing sub
tribal blade
you see the thing is i'm kind of not willing to put that much effort and suffering into pushing keys anymore
tribal blade
You inspired me to keep playing sub
nice! that's awesome to hear
short radish
nice! that's awesome to hear
past tense now you filthy spec traitor 
tribal blade
past tense now you filthy spec traitor <:xla:1283127722180087808>
I AM A TRAITOR
short radish
we all are 
i'm still playing sub in raid though
and eating everything stew to get some haste in keys for sin 
warm goblet
I don't remember exactly but from top 10 at the time you might have been the only that had their highest score as sub
Others had higher outlaw keys
Except maybe Kush but that lad is mad
tribal blade
i'm playing sub on bandit, i'm having a blast so far
tribal blade
I don't remember exactly but from top 10 at the time you might have been the onl...
i got a lot of shit for playing sub that season
"why no outlaw"
"why sub"
a lot of getting kicked from groups when they saw i wasn't outlaw
granted it's true, outlaw was fucking broken that season so can't blame em
tribal blade
they most likely resurrect aug next season after their "hiatus" of having aug dead right now
"aug has been a mandatory spec since it's inception, kill it for a season"
most likely blizz's thinking
pushing keys becomes miserable again once aug is back on the menu
short radish
the game is just miserable with aug
whats the point of details
with an aug in the group
short radish
i dont understand the people who like to play with aug
so they can see even bigger number on their details
then again people like fake big boobs so who am i to judge
vale osprey
then again people like fake big boobs so who am i to judge
Holy shit you're on to something
What's the crossover between wow players who enjoy playing with an aug in their dungeons and guys who like fake Vs naturals...
tribal blade
when aug is good it does make keys way easier having them
since your entire group is just tankier and hps is higher
but the fact that it just deletes 1 dps spot in every key group is incredibly cringe
they also have crazy good utility
jaunty umbra
lets not act like the meta picks don't exist now without aug
its dk boomy mage everywhere
fallow nimbus
The chance we get something after 11.1.5 is still there
pastel rampart
its dk boomy mage everywhere
my group plays dk mage rogue :D
(they are gearing my boomy as we speak)
(send help i dont wanna reroll)
short radish
Holy shit you're on to something
i have my moments of absurd brilliance
its kinda true though right
some people dont care that it's fake
next pulsar
!wa
wicked joltBOT
vale osprey
some people dont care that it's fake
I'm not one of those guys and I hate aug
Our sample size of 1 checks out
short radish
stats dont lie
i also am not one of those guys and i also hate aug
2/2 proven success rate
vale osprey
Brb writing dissertation on it
brittle plinth
67% of augs agree that all the stats related to this topic are fabricated
small helm
Is it sadge for me to macro SD and Symbols together? Also Flag and Shadow Blades
full lagoon
I tried playing sub that season to actually learn how to play it for last bit of fall
small helm
Also SD and shadow strike lol
full lagoon
never got past the ST rotation
dusty totem
fun tho
full lagoon
being forced to play a different spec for an m+ boss just shouldnt happen
tribal blade
Also SD and shadow strike lol
no don't do any of those things
full lagoon
and not like forced cause its slightly faster either was legit not a choice lmao
small helm
You don’t use them together?
tribal blade
yeah that was the only place of the season sub was actually good
tribal blade
You don’t use them together?
dance and strike you use together yes
there's an issue with dance+strike macros where there's now lag
if you can use it without it lagging too much then it's fine
those other macro ideas you had are very bad, don't do it
small helm
Even if I have a separate binding for symbols?
tribal blade
it's not good because for your 2nd dance in cds it'll royally mess things up
you will either not have supercharger on your sectec in 2nd dance
or you'll have to delay your 2nd dance till sectec is less than 10 secs remaining on cd
which means you risk dropping your tier stacks and not having your 2nd dance in the entire of blades
blades is 16 secs, and dance is 8 secs
so you need to chain dances back to back in flag and blades
so it'll fit into blades
but sectec won't come off cd till midway through your 2nd dance
tribal blade
What’s sectec lol
secret technique
tribal blade
you want to make sure you're supercharging that spell
(capstone talent in the class tree)
sectec rework when
placid crown
Can anynone answer my question about the Rik Reverb fight: if a player goes for removing the energy of an amp, he will have a debuff for 45sec. My question is: as a rogue, if I do this and gets the debuff, can i then instant remove the debuff with shadow cloak ? For example to go for an other amp after. Or, if the claok doesn't remove the debuff, would i have to then use cloak just before doing the second amp to not get the damages ?
worldly portal
fallow nimbus
Can anynone answer my question about the Rik Reverb fight: if a player goes for ...
You can't remove the debuff but you can avoid the dmg
slate marlin
Still above aug
tribal blade
i suspect blizz wants aug to be dead for a season
because since it's inception it has been hogging the limelight
and making comp issues very frustrating
slate marlin
I want it even more nerfed tbh
tribal blade
they should just shoot the spec
cool experiment, didn't work, just made the game far worse
gg move on
void ocean
is ret rly that bad
tribal blade
it would have been a good concept if they introduced it way earlier in wow's history
tribal blade
is ret rly that bad
honestly no idea, didn't realize they were that down bad
void ocean
same
void ocean
tho im not rly fan of those joined up results
"all bosses, all ilvls, all percentiles at once"
slate marlin
Im not against them trying new archetypes or class design in wow tbf, im pretty sure they will still release them and some will work
some wont
tribal blade
tho im not rly fan of those joined up results
fair
slate marlin
Game evolves, wouldnt still play wow if it was the same as it was in cata
tribal blade
95th percentile
void ocean
well one thing never changes 😄
tribal blade
i'm very sure aug looks that down bad because literally nobody is playing it
because any evoker who has a brain is playing dev atm
they do suck yes, but it's made worse by that
they have nothing to complain about though, look at their alternate spec literally topping the charts
hollow spear
Feel like sin gets carried by vexie and stix
tribal blade
Feel like sin gets carried by vexie and stix
might be yeah
hollow spear
Even though it's kinda alright
Not as big of a pumper as last season, but it's a little delusional to think your class has to be top 3 everytime
Subtlety on the other hand is down bad for sure
tribal blade
it's just insulting how blizz treats sub
every time i see a ray of sunshine that leads me to think things are changing
we go back to stuff like this
hollow spear
I'll have another look into how much transmitter took away from us
By making early season look like we're alright
tribal blade
that was pretty bad
but it's a whole other level of seeing us at the bottom of the charts and being the only spec down there not tuned
hollow spear
Could swear some other classes gained like 70k+ with new trinkets, while we gained like 10k at mythic hoc vs mythic transmitter
I will never not be mad at ret and bm not being bottom two in the 95th percentile
tribal blade
the huge amount of passenger princesses on those specs would revolt
oak grotto
Is the difference between ER and Forced Induction that big?
Or can you play ER if you want
Without losing too much
dusty totem
We also drop lower the chart when u go to higher percentile so we on avg play nearer our top parses than other classes
also called rogue skill diff
I guess that is what happens when there are only 10 of us left
void tendon
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.How many spenders during CD's do you estimate you get
So I know if I can send first dance + CD's when it's 10 seconds left of the second charge
or 15
and so on
!nodamage
!opener
fluid moth
I wonder what it would look like if they didn’t nerf the tier set
alpine wraith
i wonder too
serene notch
for people who still have to use transmitter, do you sectec before doing the mini game or do you always wait to complete the mini game first for the first sectec of opener?
alpine wraith
ideally you complete as you do first sec tech
serene notch
sometimes i delay it too long and miss the 2nd cast of sectec in the blades window, that seems like a mistake? better to just send before mini game is done to make sure i get 2 casts of sec tect in blades window?
fallow nimbus
Send sectec then complete is fine because the clone hits are delayed
honest brook
guys i`m losing my mind everyday i change my recraft stats one day assa next day i miss sub so again... wtf should i do
latent finch
just play assa with sub gear and maybe change 1 ring assa likes all stats you can even stack versa on it and its not that bad
acoustic lodge
guys i`m losing my mind everyday i change my recraft stats one day assa next day...
Play whatever you enjoy the most. Don't chase the tier list
frozen gyro
Is it just me or are sub rogues getting the short end of the stick
While aiming for those high parses i have observed some of the top sub sin rogues. Similar ilvl both 97 parse
400k dps diff
patent crystal
One spec got nerfed before the start of the season - other got buffed
frozen gyro
But half a mil difference.... blizz jsut doenst give a damn i guess
We ususaly climb abit towards the end of the patch or is that not the case?
patent crystal
Other way around, we start decent and then get outscaled
rigid sparrow
hey guys! Is anyone knows the best sim options for aoe dps ?
vale pine
multiple patchwerk targets
rigid sparrow
5-6 targets around 2-3 min?'
vale pine
duration should not matter as much if you want to sim sustained aoe
but somewhere between 5-8 targets is usually considered aoe
rigid sparrow
yeah about my sustained aoe. Actually wanna sim some trinkets
to see which of them to choose
vale pine
perfect then
civic swallow
Do you have to be an Engineer to use jumper cables?
fallow nimbus
No
wide kernel
i have 658 hoc and seemingly have no luck getting hero version or eye of kezan. Is it worth to get transmitter still or and can that even be done reasonably?
chrome palm
i have 658 hoc and seemingly have no luck getting hero version or eye of kezan. ...
It is not worth to get a transmitter now, especially considering it was a sidegrade to 658 hoc at 639, and it can now only be obtained at 629.
wide kernel
is a 2.3mil 5min patchwork sim low for 667 ilvl?
i am absolutely awful in raid and trying to figure out why
foggy egret
!TRICKS
wicked joltBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
severe prism
Why is the dark brew build sometimes being talked about here not on the wowhead guide ? If i understand correctly it seems like it is the build simming the highest, yet is not played according to data sites, and not talked about on guides so i'm a little bit confused 😅 .
chrome palm
Why is the dark brew build sometimes being talked about here not on the wowhead ...
The first dance's value is greatly underestimated in dungeon slice, however it is actually extremely strong in keys. The rotten benefits more from the first dance than dark brew, so it ends up outperforming dark brew.
severe prism
You mean tfd value is a sim trap with dark brew ?
chrome palm
I would say "sim trap" refers to something that sims higher than you would expect in game, so tfd is the opposite of a sim trap in dungeon slice. This applies to both the rotten and dark brew builds, both are better with tfd, but dungeon slice doesnt show this.
this is the post fuu made about it a while ago
severe prism
Ok i think i get it : tfd is undersiming, and tfd has a higher synergy with the rotten than dark brew, that why dark brew is siming higher, but in reality the rotten is more likely to perform better
am i right ?
chrome palm
Yeah exactly
severe prism
Perfect 🙏 thanks, it's clearer now
chrome palm
The rotten also is basically the same playstyle as what youre doing in raid, so its easy to take it into dungeons.
fallow nimbus
You give up wm for tfd and wm is like bad
elfin hound
are there any pre pull shenanigans besides 1x symbols for supercharger?
wide kernel
Vanish when mobs are at 5% hp for tfd in m+ when the tank inevitably chainpulls
mint swift
Do you have to be an Engineer to use jumper cables?
Stock up on em
They can be a lifesaver
I believe the ones they s season are
Convincingly realistic jumper cables
Correct me if I’m wrong on that
dry cave
i believe they are on the auction house and therefore i would assume that they can be used by non-engineers
vernal drift
yo guys, how do we sim sub for m+?
wicked joltBOT
honest brook
guys in rik did you start full cd at pulling?
gritty knot
i cannot for my life sigure out rotation
There is no "Rotation"...You have to use ur brain, think 2-3 steps ahead, check route before starting the key and adapt quickly to situations
Or maybe I understood ur question wrong 😅
wet lava
does phys comp work well w sub or is secret tech all shadow?
native zodiac
guys in rik did you start full cd at pulling?
dusty totem
guys in rik did you start full cd at pulling?
U either cd on pull and then do ur first out of cd sec tech on the first add set or u delay flag by 10-14 sec such that the end of ur cooldowns hit the first adds
But take a look at what peps are doing and see what works for u
warm depot
guys in rik did you start full cd at pulling?
i cd on pull but hold subsequent for pyros cuz my guild sucks at doing them without me
fuckers just wont let me blast in peace
wide kernel
does phys comp work well w sub or is secret tech all shadow?
Phys comp Is best for sub yes. Buff priority is shaman > monk > warrior > etc
wide kernel
i cannot for my life sigure out rotation
Which part are you struggling with?
iron obsidian
!log
jaunty heath
Phys comp Is best for sub yes. Buff priority is shaman > monk > warrior > etc
I don’t think monk is better than warrior buff
I don’t think it’s even close
Mystical touch is kinda bad no?
wide kernel
No
I was doing Sims, with no raid buff skyfury was like 130k warrior was 80 or 90 or something and monk was super close to sky fury amount after that
I'll double check when I get back
You typically don't get access to monks is the main reason you dont get it more
jaunty heath
You get access to it in raid, I never simmed it but monk buff from my experience wasn’t considered very good
While battle shout is goated
civic oyster
If I cast secret techniques with like 1s left on house of cards will all of the damage benefit from it?
young mural
If I cast secret techniques with like 1s left on house of cards will all of the ...
as far as i know no
your clones need to be in the house of cards window for them to benefit from it
since snapshotting doesnt exist anymore
civic oyster
hmmm ok it's probably worth sending instead of getting that last dance macbre stack then
young mural
hmmm ok it's probably worth sending instead of getting that last dance macbre st...
for sure
still quartz
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
rocky ocean
I'm so desperate for a sub pin rn
stoic sphinx
I'm so desperate for a sub pin rn
Pind?
dry plank
guys in rik did you start full cd at pulling?
No check lorrgs.io. It’s like 10sec delayed
odd knoll
!mistakes
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals of during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
vale pine
🐇 good morning subtlety chat
keen dome
Good morning, Fuu. I hope you have a nice easter.
vale pine
thanks, same to you, happy easter ^^
tribal blade
🐇 good morning subtlety chat
guten morgen mein hehr
keen dome
I ask people to tell me a Mythic mechanic in their note to join my Mythic raid pug. My new favourite guy is a 6/8N mage who just wrote "I have deadly boss mods so I know the mechanics"
keen dome
Starting to think running a Mythic pug on Easter sunday wasn't my smartest idea
haughty mural
I ask people to tell me a Mythic mechanic in their note to join my Mythic raid p...
Based
zenith prism
does the pre supercharger tech work for dungeons
haughty mural
Yes
void ocean
Starting to think running a Mythic pug on Easter sunday wasn't my smartest idea
I killed Mug HC with pugs so it seems its working 😄
keen dome
Hell yeah
swift anchor
!sheet
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
zenith prism
It resets down to 2 so you can only do one
thx Eleem
limpid sage
Anyone know the approximate dmg increase it is to pre-SoD in a 1 target 5 min scenario?
hazy breach
Like 0.2% or so
tidal marsh
fallow nimbus
Get a 25sec pulltimer
vale pine
Get a 25sec pulltimer <:kekw:610125925413289985>
not rly, you just use symbols once you get a res and cba after
paper iron
yea since we dont really play rotten in raid anymore, just use it for supercharger now
limpid sage
[> Open Simulation <](<https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/91V5aNQVvu4iBB62Jo...
Oh dang, that’s way bigger than I expected
Does The Rotten reset on pull?
hazy breach
No
vale pine
the impact of the crit is extremely low tho
so the supercharger points are the main gain
fallow nimbus
not rly, you just use symbols once you get a res and cba after
It was a joke
slate marlin
Sub so forgotten people cant even find the proper channel
short radish
Sub so forgotten people cant even find the proper channel
Half the time were talking about assi m+ rotation here
severe prism
why is my quicksim 5 and 6 target presses bp ? i thought it was a 7+ target button. seems like 5t presses it randomly, and 6t presses it like a default spender
random hare
why is my quicksim 5 and 6 target presses bp ? i thought it was a 7+ target butt...
@vale pine
@tepid trellis
cobalt vector
random hare
if its randomly pressing at 5 targets
its probably for danse macabre
i'd do that if its in first dance
prob should wait for fuu to answer tho
tepid trellis
it would press it outside of dance at 5 targets with no nimble, and last i checked its neutral ish at 6 so thats why it would do it on 6 unless they changed stuff since ive been MIA
severe prism
if maybe i did something wrong with the sim :
5t https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vnyMQk1QDEhB2Lp9DaEbiN
6t https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bKN1LpdoLTypKYMsrrKWDp
random hare
thats true, it can happen without flawless form
tepid trellis
this is the line for BP so
tepid trellis
FW targets 5 or more
tepid trellis
=5 yes
random hare
seems to be prioritizing black powder over eviscerate when its not inside of cds
inside of cds, it prioritizes evisc over bp
(inside of shadowdance on both situations)
outside of dance (no cds) it eviscerates
why is it blackpowdering in dance when not in cds?
and then evisc out of dance not in cds
tepid trellis
would be based on FW targets
vale pine
<@194804407706189824>
find weakness optimization
basically you would use bp if you have find weakness on all targets
tepid trellis
5 or more targets with FW = BP
i see
jaunty heath
unbuffed no cheatings 100% mastery achieved 
fallow nimbus
I wish we could sim the agi gem with just 3 colors instead of 1 haste gem
I smoked 50k gold for gems in the last days until i snapped and went 20% crit rest into mastery 
This raid tier bs is such a burden with bosses you can't hit from the back sometimes
wild hornet
can you technically reset boss by using shuriken and vanishing
young mural
🐇 good morning subtlety chat
happy bunny stuff
vale pine
happy easter to you too
young mural
hey fuu im pissed ok
11.1.5 is coming out and we're not getting horrific visions + we're not getting the dinars clown company pieces of shit
proven plover
Dude they are hard at work
Probably working on the long awaited pala rework
It has been a couple weeks already
versed hazel
Is there a known bug with roulette wheel sims with raidbots? Droptimizer says its worth 45k dps, but top gear sim says its a downgrade?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iKG8BULcwfAXrPakqzPicf - Droptimizer
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qdrKQuazMutnyUAry8b9jt - Top Gear
or is there something else I've fucked up/not noticed
young mural
no gems on top gear sim ring
young mural
yhea but idk still seems off
young mural
lemme try with them, nice spot
also enchant it!!
young mural
ah oke
versed hazel
new top gear with sockets puts it at ~9.5k, still nowhere near the 45k from droptimizer
i imagine droptimizer is fucked somehow, whether that's something I've messed up or smth wrong with the sim, 45k just seems a bit ridiculous given my current rings
odd knoll
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
odd knoll
does any1 knows what dps gain sham buff gives us?
tepid trellis
8-11% or smth like that
young mural
8-11% or smth like that
insane number
vestal escarp
paper iron
yea arround 10%
i dont play sub without sham buff, it feels bad and numbers are also bad
keen dome
!bs
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Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.
dreamy badger
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