subtlety

[wind canopy]

Haha

[pliant topaz]

balancing patches that is

[wind canopy]

I'm guessing they didn't predictive certain interactions with the map and/or champs

*predict

[pliant topaz]

they made some really major changes that no one really notices

basically the largest invisible change they made is minions

they now die a lot faster and easier

so u can shove faster

more roams, more map pressure

[wind canopy]

Did they reduce HP?

[pliant topaz]

i think it was armor/mr but not sure could be hp

regardless they die a lot faster

[wind canopy]

Ah

That seems like a buff for assassins

[pliant topaz]

a lot is different

like in mid, u can pressure a lot with slow push

u can burn waves faster by freezing

with TP getting nerfed, bad recall timings are a lot worse

[wind canopy]

Yeah

[pliant topaz]

if u can fast shove, you have more roam timer

thats why u see alot of higher elo zeds taking ignite again

[leaden prairie]

please keep it on topic

[pliant topaz]

becuse early skrimishes matter more

and u can roam more

and tp is nerfed

[wind canopy]

#wow-general

[leaden prairie]

how many combo points for flagelation

[pliant topaz]

i hate zac

[wind canopy]

69

[leaden prairie]

?????

[lilac stag]

This is on topic.

Dead spec

[leaden prairie]

im trying to ask serious sub questions to understand the spec better

[pliant topaz]

^

[lilac stag]

Dead class

[leaden prairie]

and you guys are talking about league ?

wtf ?

@mods

[lilac stag]

#wow-general

[pliant topaz]

hi how can i help you

[wind canopy]

Yeah, mods, ban zac

[leaden prairie]

which spot is better to drop at

[west arch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[leaden prairie]

in plunderstorm

i was thinking bottom left is good

[pliant topaz]

I havent had time to play hte new plunderstorm

[lilac stag]

Zac a bottom confirmed

[wind canopy]

zac confirmed bottom player

[leaden prairie]

you play sub

?

[lilac stag]

??????

[pliant topaz]

but yeah back on topic

more skrimishes, more kills, moire flowers, more snowball, more map pressure gg

[wind canopy]

But yeah, this makes sense

Hence the assassin buff comment 😛

[pliant topaz]

they actually said something interesting

apparently on average people have ~ 3 less minion

[leaden prairie]

i dont think assa need more buffs im gonna be honest

[pliant topaz]

because of hte nerfs

[leaden prairie]

maybe buff sub tho ye

[pliant topaz]

nah buff sin

[wind canopy]

#BuffSub

[lilac stag]

#buffass #deletesub

[pliant topaz]

the bloody petals also are so omega turbo broken, but theyre nerfing them thank god

[pliant topaz]

[lilac stag]

If they do that Raccoon is free

[keen dome]

I really like the secret little cove behind the castle

[lilac stag]

Just go elemental mid and get the chests. Don’t be soft.

[keen dome]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468124640091439105/1329043226157518849/Untitled.png?ex=678a38f5&is=6788e775&hm=c27d780757919d51a556998e517daba1b10641a506323dbeabb068ec33cfa05b& this is my cool and good places to drop for maximum gains map

[vale pine]

till we meet

[leaden prairie]

wtf we in the same match fuu

[wind canopy]

Been hearing about that

$5 on Fuu

[pliant topaz]

get his ass fuu

one shot him for me

[wind canopy]

(love you zac)

(miss you)

[pliant topaz]

@vale pine did u kill him yet?

[vale pine]

nope ^^

did die ^^

[lilac stag]

did you finish ahead of him?

[vale pine]

no idea

i was too greedy on the golem, got big plunder but also died in a fight there

[lilac stag]

all three of us were cheering for you.

[leaden prairie]

i just died now

i couldnt kill fuu

queue up again fuu i will find you

[pliant topaz]

mashallah my prayers have been answe4red

[vale pine]

haha

only need like 1k more plunder

[lilac stag]

Que together

Let’s go. 8 Mists pug time

[keen dome]

[lilac stag]

great success

[keen dome]

Blasting

[vale pine]

alright, i got the 33k or so plunder for all rewards

time to never touch plunderstorm again ^^

[lilac stag]

like armin never touching wow again ^^

[keen dome]

Another week, another lack of heroic transmitter appearing. What a cursed trinket.

[vale pine]

rip

[clever delta]

I guess better late than never 😄

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[lilac stag]

Nice. Just in time to afk rest of season.

[clever delta]

yeah

[lilac stag]

You guys have queen down right? It was just prophet currently progging it.

[kind bluff]

Gratz man!

[vale pine]

congrats

[edgy zenith]

this can happen if your main target dies I believe before the second clone attack comes. the last slash will just get deleted

[fallow nimbus]

The plunder has been plundered, see you next time, plunderstorm

[sullen hare]

Not having a battle pass this go around makes me not resent it nearly as much

[brisk onyx]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[still trellis]

You guys are playing the wow fortnite?

[jaunty umbra]

played to get enough for tenders and mount, never touching again

[round latch]

i think most ppl play plunderstorm right now

like my friend list was like 5-6 ppl online playing wow

arenas mostly

now its 20,all playing plunderstorm

[rustic geyser]

I just wish there were more servers on pstorm
Playing it from where I ham I have like 350-400 ping, makes some thing sjust impossible to avoid/skillshots insanely hard to hit

[round latch]

yup

i still think its regional though

no shot 1 server is enough for all wow

[rustic geyser]

there's for sure not an OCE connection

not with that ping

[round latch]

[rustic geyser]

kinda a pity coz honestly I find the game mode fun, super unserious, but it's good casual fuck around fun

[round latch]

its definitely fun

[rustic geyser]

and I like some of the improvements they've made, new skills, the left right pick up option selects, the additional plunder blah blah

it's all good stuff imo

[round latch]

yup

[rustic geyser]

...I'd rather some rogue changes but hey, I'll take what I get till I quit lol

hasnt' happened yet so w/e

[round latch]

im somewhere there tbh,not like quiting quiting but if i dont see any good rogue changes ill just play classic or something else

[rustic geyser]

have to assume it's different dev teams anyway

[round latch]

cant be bothered

thats a fair assumption yeah

[hallow ice]

hey guys, anyone mind reviewing another log of mine? Just 5 mins on a target dummy but trying to get the rotation down

!log

[vestal escarp]

WDYM NOT LOCKED IN

IM LOCKED IN AF

[tribal blade]

i mean you're clearly

i had a fun thought

who wants to bet when they remove the coup charge they break the spell

or it bugs something

[vestal escarp]

my bet is gdc lock gets back

[tribal blade]

now THAT would be cursed

[vague oar]

hey question

if i pick up an essence in p3 queen

can i cloak the ring and be fine?

or will that wipe the raid

[hazy breach]

No

You will die once cloak ends

You need to step somebody on the other side

[vague oar]

gotcha

ty

[dawn hinge]

i jumped on the ptr, and set everything up and it mostly works. except if i use storm while stealthed and walking forward, character stops and i have to "reset" movement. did anyone else get this? surely can't be an addon causing it?

it's only forward movement, as well. can still strafe

[dawn hinge]

it's stance related, same when swapping forms on druid gg

[molten citrus]

just hopped on to check, and it's also happening to me

but only when directly breaking stealth

it's also happening with all GCD spells i think

not just storm

you might not noticing it happening for shadowstrike because of the teleport

but breaking stealth with storm, rupture, evis, etc all replicated the issue

it's also happening to every spec i think

[chrome totem]

What are the best trinkets for sub in ptr?

[kind bluff]

1 and 2

To early to tell from what I've heard

[edgy zenith]

can you cloak the frontals in Silken Court?

[vale pine]

see the same, friends list/guild is more active outside of raid times due to it

but many only seem to play for the rewards

[fallow nimbus]

That's the coup fix, now instead of coup charging every gcd stops your char

[rocky ocean]

coup should be a channeled ability, which also roots your character

also rename it to fyr'alath the dreamrender

[void hound]

thats what i thought too

[void hound]

yes

[round latch]

yup its all about the rewards

[solar ingot]

wowhead says to black powder with 5 or more targets but a lot of top logs i see in keys typically hit evisc still most of the dungeon, is that because people are just doing more ethical dps / prio'ing a big mob? or they just arent accepting black powder is that strong compared to nimble flurry

[rapid warren]

U answered it to your self with ethical dps line

Timer wise and key success wise
Its always better to nimble flurry

[solar ingot]

Awesome thank you!

[jaunty umbra]

bp's ST dmg is not far from evisc

you should bp on 5 or more as trickster

[solar ingot]

My tooltip is 110k BP 145k evisc. That’s a 30% increase in prio damage that’s not negligible I feel like in a prio mob situation

Im Not saying you’re wrong that’s just my observation but idk shit about shit

[jaunty umbra]

yea obv if you see a prio mob is gonna live longer than the rest you evis

but generally speaking

[vale pine]

the main trade off is the aoe loss, you gain a small single target increase from a big aoe loss

[plush roost]

Bunch of 40m hp mobs and 3 120m? (City after second boss) Yeah you're padding using bp

Honestly i was gonna give an example of no prio mob pulls but

Its kinda the entire season isnt it

[rapid warren]

Depends on the team he runs with

If group has no damage and its “shit” players u could BP

Every rogue spec at the end is situational

[solar ingot]

Sv has a couple no prio mob pulls but yeah seems like most just have a big scary guy

Good to know I can prio If I absolutely need too but BP still does good ST damage

As a fire mage who enjoys the pyro ignite cleave playstyle this season was nice for that

[rapid warren]

What key level do you play?

If you play like 10-15

It is whatever

Play for fun

[solar ingot]

On my rogue I’m farming 4-7 crests still it’s an alt, but I figure in a week or two I’ll be at 10

Then start pushing if I like it

But with the creatures I get in keys

[rapid warren]

Doubt u can push as sub

With demons that are left playing the game

They all want meta

Enha shaman that does 1 mil overall

[solar ingot]

Sad but probably true

I’ll go as high as I can, get decent io for if I wanna play it for next season too

[tepid trellis]

find a group of people to play with

[rapid warren]

Best advice u can give someone in this game

[solar ingot]

I typically push with a few guildies but the guild kinda fell apart this tier

[lament rock]

how do rogues friend friends

[solar ingot]

So I’ll find another one eventually but for now it’s the pug life

[rapid warren]

Its not only your guild feels like the game it self fell apart

This is the worst season in terms of playtime for me personally

[solar ingot]

We’re all somewhat active in our disc still people just are playing other games

And same

[rapid warren]

By rerolling to aug

Duuuh

[tepid trellis]

when m+ seems like dogshit, i just dont play outside of raid reclears until next raid

[solar ingot]

I don’t raid mythic so when m+ is bad

I don’t even fill my vaults

[lament rock]

shhhh my healer got all the friends but when they see me swapping to my dps it like hell nah we dont need u

[solar ingot]

Well I do end of season pug shit

But nothing serious

[rapid warren]

I mean at this point u cant even m+ if you dont mythic raid

People care about ilvl too much

[tepid trellis]

havent filled my vault since Ansurek died in november

october sry

[rapid warren]

Kinda same last score key was like 3-4 months ago

[solar ingot]

Vault was painful to grind the ilvl

Especially 2 slots a week

[rapid warren]

And also this was worst tier in terms of vault rng

[solar ingot]

But I hit mythic gale and sac and weapon

[tepid trellis]

at the time i was the loweest ilvl rogue to kill it

aint the best rng loot wise this tier

[solar ingot]

I did alright thankfully

[rapid warren]

I cleard 3/3 m+ slots every week not a single weapon or trinket

[solar ingot]

Which beat out hero spymasters so I could avoid that shit show

I had it week 2 but I hated it

[rapid warren]

I got like 100+ bracers and belts

[solar ingot]

It was my mage alt but the rng was too good

[rapid warren]

I think im the only guy who farmed valorstones with vault

And yesterday i went for a key saw i have dawn 13

Tought u cant deplate that key how free it is

Oh boy I was wrong

I dont understand how tf tanks by now considering we are in week 20 of season 1 dont know how to use defensives

[solar ingot]

I thought tanking was hard until I took my ww and Specced brew and timed a 25 pre squish

[tepid trellis]

unfortunately majority of the playerbase is very bad at the game, and you will keep seeing stuff like that until you go real high up

[solar ingot]

Now I hate all the tanks that are bricking keys because they just aren’t pressing iron fur

Or death strike

[rapid warren]

I mean i tought this guy can live he is prot paladin with 637 ilvl

I tanked 13 on my guardian druid with 607 ilvl

With ease

But i guess hekili doesnt tell you how to use defensives

[solar ingot]

It is what it is :p

^

[rapid warren]

But like theres tanks who play 8 hours a day

For months now

And they die to same shit over and over again

[tepid trellis]

some people dont learn

[rapid warren]

Real

[random hare]

Sure

[rapid warren]

??!?

Im home in 2 hours

We can go key

And i will outperform every tank u played with past week

[random hare]

U tanked a 13 on 607 guardian with ease

[rapid warren]

Yes

[random hare]

[solar ingot]

I mean there’s YT videos of 614 doing 14’s that I’ve seen myself. That doesn’t seem crazy

[rapid warren]

I don’t understand whats so funny about it

Kira when he rerolled to prot pal

[random hare]

What dungeon did u tank

[rapid warren]

Literally tanked 16 with 597 paladin

[rapid warren]

Dawn

[solar ingot]

The goalpost is moving already

[rapid warren]

Dawn is so free for tanks

[random hare]

Ye but which dungeon

[rapid warren]

U have 2 mechanics that can kill you

I think it was necrotic wake

He played with casual hawked and the boys

[random hare]

Ok he played it with fully geared players then

[rapid warren]

And after that casual was tilted

Because his tank cant tank what kira can with being under geard

Ofc he played it with fully geard players

U wont see Kira in a pug

He said it him self

If it isnt a 5stack he doesnt play

[random hare]

I tanked ruby lifepool +20 on my dk with full green gear

Starter gear

[rapid warren]

Well ofc u did

U have brain

U know to press DR when needed

Tanking is simple

Its not nuclear science

[random hare]

Not kidding each auto atk was 90% of my hp on 1st boss

Lmao

[rapid warren]

Yea i know

Getting ilvl as tank just makes you so u can afford mistakes

Nothing else

I played with zac on my druid

I solod a boss from 15% hp

Zac said

Good job virgule

True story

It was a siege 10 tho

He started gearing his enha shaman

[random hare]

Btw

I was a great tank before

Tank main in legion

[rapid warren]

Me 2

Best bdk eu

Had a rank 1 maw of souls

And thats the only key in my life and only time i was rank 1

Felt good

[random hare]

I might reroll tank

[vestal escarp]

Bdk in legion

[rapid warren]

Tho pretty sure i got hard carried by drjay

[random hare]

Thinking of it rn

[rapid warren]

Drjay fire mage in legion was prime

[keen dome]

Rogue tank when 😦

[vestal escarp]

[random hare]

Drjay has more ego than all 134,385 members in this discord combined

If his skill somehow matched his ego he would win awc, tgp and mdi without practicing a single second

He will straight up jump to the finals blindfolded too and win with playing on his feet

On a gamepad

And foot pedals

He will be so smart he will summon 19 other clones of himself and join rwf

And convert the event’s name to rws

(Race to world second)

Because nobody will win at all

[median nacelle]

do u have a drjay poster and bedsheets, gooner?

[alpine wraith]

i have a cool dino poster

[random hare]

goon my ass

loser

[median nacelle]

❤️❤️❤️

[lilac stag]

What most rogues pushing keys usually do, or quit.

[random hare]

daffi — Today at 3:15 PM
❤️❤️❤️

[sick jackal]

Make outlaw a tank spec ty

[rapid warren]

Theres too much leather armor tank specs

When mail tank?

[sick jackal]

Yeah but not enough tanks 1 more couldnt hurt

[rapid warren]

It be better if aug is tank

[keen dome]

rogue tank wears mail. no this makes no sense.

but it'd be funny

[rapid warren]

Or lisen to the cook

New class tank spec

[keen dome]

no new classes please

new specs for classes that are mono dps

[tribal blade]

bruh we need the devs to work on sub

not make new classes

[rapid warren]

Sub is shit

[keen dome]

They could add a new Rogue spec to neglect more.

[rapid warren]

New class strong

[leaden prairie]

stop texting and driving @rapid warren

[rapid warren]

[leaden prairie]

?

dont laugh

[tribal blade]

is this common outlaw behavior

you bunch of zoomers

[rapid warren]

Croatians are different breed zac

Sorry

[leaden prairie]

dont encourage his behavior

guys

he is texting and driving rn

[lilac stag]

That ain’t happening.

[keen dome]

Texting and driving is bad

Focus on one thing!!!

[rapid warren]

I text on red lights

Calma boys calma

[leaden prairie]

he is lying

[tribal blade]

it could happen

[leaden prairie]

he sent me a picture

where he was doing 5 km/h

[rapid warren]

Bro traffic is jammed im driving in first gear

U walk faster

[keen dome]

Abandon cars, return to walk.

[leaden prairie]

while thats true

[rapid warren]

If i have a crash at this speed im dead

[leaden prairie]

i cant kill a kid while walking over him

[keen dome]

i mean

[rapid warren]

What kid

[keen dome]

you probably could

[rapid warren]

What do you think roads are like in croatia

[leaden prairie]

the kid you just drove over

[rapid warren]

This isnt france

[leaden prairie]

at 5km/h

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade found a new level of hell last night. Court, Red Web Enjoyer, No skyfury buff.

[tribal blade]

that is actual hell

how does your raid team keep having this issue of not having buffs lol

[lilac stag]

Two shaman. One had a tummy ache. One was out for travel.

[tribal blade]

skyfury is honestly the 1 buff i ever want

all the others i don't care as much

[lilac stag]

3 shaman at the start of the tier. kekw

roster boss time.

[keen dome]

Roster boss is really the hardest fight in the game.

Nobody is immune to it

[tribal blade]

thankfully my guild's immune to it haha

running a big roster

[lilac stag]

well we had 29.

20 online last night.

[tribal blade]

damn that's crazy

[lilac stag]

adults & holidays

[shell bramble]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen dome]

Def the way, haha

It's nice being online even on the quiet part of the season and having 5 - 10 people around doing stuff

[round latch]

kinda irrelevant but drove my car to the service station

took me an hour for 10klm

also croatian goalkeepers best goalkeepers universe

oh and that syrup thing

soparmik or something

very nice

been 10 years but still remember it

[rapid warren]

wait 10 kms one hour?

[round latch]

yeah

[rapid warren]

something like here yea

i have 16kms and it takes me around an hour when its jammed

[round latch]

very cool

💀

[rapid warren]

and yea our sport team is goated

i guess

[round latch]

there was an accident

[rapid warren]

croatians are good at sports

[round latch]

some mfker drove into another car,least no one died

[rapid warren]

in croatia its just bad infrastructure

[round latch]

i liked croatia

nice ppl

[hollow spear]

I can offer no monk and no warrior buff

[lilac stag]

We’ve done that 3 times already. Princess killed without them.

the cdr fuckery without skyfury on court is

[steady dune]

Gotta love the bug in NW where if you have the trickster tot up on the last boss, the fucking exile mob will telport to the top and never let you get back to the top

multidollar company making sure the game functions

[lilac stag]

It’s not a bug

[jaunty umbra]

just click the buff before boss
not a big deal

[lilac stag]

It tricks doing what it’s supposed to do

lol

Let me introduce you to snapping

[steady dune]

i did click it when i got down, still teleported

[hazy breach]

It takes like 5 seconds for it to evade and teleport, just kidney if thats the case

[steady dune]

sorry but the fact that it doesnt activate the thing to let me go back to the top even if the mob is killed is ABSOLUTELY a bug

[lilac stag]

Kidney shot is your friend

[hazy breach]

But if you remove your tricks it definitely doesnt tp

[lilac stag]

You not understanding how the talents work is not a bug

lol

[vestal escarp]

7s kidney is such a boon for nalthor

[lilac stag]

live and learn

[steady dune]

you are not understanding what im saying

[lilac stag]

Now you’re smarter

You didn’t click it off. But gg

[steady dune]

listen here champ

[hazy breach]

Idk kidney isnt really necessary as sub

You just kill it in half a dance anyway

[steady dune]

The mob snaped up stairs, got killed, and it didnt activate the flyer to let me go back up stairs

you tell me, is that a bug or no?

[lilac stag]

You snapped it. You fucked up

Nope

Mob needs to be there to activate.

Not just dead

[steady dune]

lmao, the mob dies it is supposed to activate the transport up top

doesnt matter if it snaps or not

[lilac stag]

it’s no where in range of it. Kekw

[plush roost]

Now this is the kind of semantics argument i needed in the morning

[steady dune]

thats called a bug kek2w

[hazy breach]

It doesnt really matter

[plush roost]

Keep it going boys

[hazy breach]

Just remove your tricks

Problem solved

[lilac stag]

Remove snapping because this champ can’t figure out a hero talent.

Bugs blizz bugs

[steady dune]

No, if the mob dies, regardless of the snap, activate the only way to get out, problem sovled

bro i seriously dont understand how you are not getting it

[lilac stag]

[steady dune]

its not the snapping, its the fact that the mechanic doesnt work if it snaps

[jaunty umbra]

bro it's the way they designed it

[steady dune]

its really not that hard to understand, yet you still are fuckign it up

[lilac stag]

almost like it’s not intended to be snapped and needs to die near the portal

weird

[hazy breach]

Thats enough

Time to move on

[plush roost]

I mean I agree, the fact that the mob being requires to be downstairs with no way of resolving it is kinda lame, but it is what it is

[crystal bone]

scath in this channel only to pick fights

all ive seen him do since i started lurking here

[plush roost]

I actually wish it did work, because then sin could tricks tank, go down and snap it upstairs

[old venture]

the dude's 100% right though, either make it so it can't snap or make it so that the angel activates. It's a billion dollar corporation providing a 365 day a year game, the least they can do is make sure shit like this can't happen. Yes it is the intended function of Tricks, but the dungeon wasn't designed in mind with a 1723891237981 hour long tricks so maybe do your job and fix the shitty interactions with your brilliant new ideas

[plush roost]

And actually be able to kill the mob

[steady dune]

i mean it is what is is, but shoudl not be that way. Which is what i said but i got flamed by losers making excuses for bad designed. I will drop it though

[old venture]

it's okay to call out blizzard for being blizzard

and half assing the end of their mmo that's printed money for 20 years

[twilit phoenix]

I love scath bro

[jaunty umbra]

I mean there are far more annoying bugs they didn't fix yet

[lilac stag]

people playing likely the buggiest spec in the game.

just embrace sub life

[twilit phoenix]

Scath the kinda guy to throw hands if you don’t wish him a wonderful day

[lilac stag]

It’ll be ok

[hallow ice]

would anyone mind reviewing my log to see if i got the hand of the rota

!Log

!log

[steady dune]

thats literally what i said dude, dont flame me for calling out bugs and say its a skill issue when it should be fixed

[old venture]

idk it seems weird to just be like "well that's just the game" when someone's clearly tilted that the game is shit and that includes all bugs

[plush roost]

Oh boy round 2 incoming

[old venture]

I don't think it's abnormal for someone who pays money to play a game to be upset when shit isn't working the way it should

[lilac stag]

it’s a skill issue for snapping it, but I moved on as eleem requested. You should likely as well

[old venture]

it's a skill issue for designing their game like shit

[lilac stag]

How’s lost ark? Or what are you playing these days?

[old venture]

I'm playing balatro

I quit poe2 3 weeks in

shit game

unfort

[lilac stag]

bummer

I’m playing dog training in the frozen tundra. Brrr

[old venture]

honestly the best game

[twilit phoenix]

Damn wya scath

Canada?

[old venture]

someone let me know if blizzard actually decides to fix wow

maybe I'll resub

not this expac though, the hero talents for rogue are all shit

[lilac stag]

check back midnight

[old venture]

[vestal escarp]

Oxi snapped

[lilac stag]

I’m going back to warrior

[vestal escarp]

Tf happened

[lilac stag]

Fuck this class being ignored

[old venture]

pent up aggression from people gaslighting me about poe 2 being shit because it's "early access"

"they'll fix it"

[twilit phoenix]

2 patch note cycles with 1 sentence for rogue

Poggers

[lilac stag]

Just destroy sub completely so stealthi can quit too

[old venture]

maybe next expac we'll get something better than some intern's idea of "what sounds cool" for expansion defining features

and maybe they'll be implemented properly

[lilac stag]

big doubt

[old venture]

I heard they finally removed the charge in coupe

only took 7 months

[lilac stag]

realz would have to stop working on DH for a moment.

[twilit phoenix]

Enhance rework every patch

Lets fucking go

[lilac stag]

holy Paladin round 67

[old venture]

they'll get it this time for sure

that and spriest

[lilac stag]

MM looks lit

[jaunty umbra]

i'm pretty sure now that devs kid plays enhance

[steady dune]

my favorite part about sub is the fact that coup jumps you to the target, despite it not being spelt out on the talent

granted its going away

[lilac stag]

you must be new if you’re expecting accurate tooltips.

[old venture]

you didn't go into the hero talent w/ expert knowledge about fencing?

[steady dune]

came off a long hiatus on FF, my abd

[twilit phoenix]

Ah yes the trickster theme, someone who charges into battle

[old venture]

does coup still animation lock you?

[twilit phoenix]

And doesn’t use deceit

[lilac stag]

hey it only took 5 months and a tweet from an artist to let us know there was an animation for coup

[old venture]

at least it gets an animation, p sure deathstalker's mark is just a debuff on the mob

lmao

[steady dune]

i was legit asking ChatGPT what ability looked like the DK slapping skill

[old venture]

the hero talents for rogue have to be the biggest load of shit I've ever seen from blizzard

[jaunty umbra]

real

[lilac stag]

Our big visual is a Swiss Army knife over our head 24/7

[old venture]

[void hound]

Preach

[lilac stag]

let rogue just die already.

[molten citrus]

nop

[old venture]

when did that get removed

[molten citrus]

well it doesn't GCD lock you

idk if animation specifically is funky

but it isn't the weird 1.2s(?) GCD anymore

[old venture]

we coped throughout TWW beta that they just needed more time to cook

and they burned the product

[molten citrus]

nah they are fried

idk if i can be any more disappointed

[molten citrus]

actually wanted to play this season, but legit 90% of my playtime has been on other classes at this point

[void hound]

Coup still has a weird delay to it

[old venture]

terrific

[molten citrus]

does it?

[old venture]

idk man, it's wild how they keep missing

[void hound]

Im pretty sure

[molten citrus]

they def fixed the delayed GCD thing

[plush roost]

Damn guess I'm the only person having fun with rogue this season xd

[molten citrus]

for a fact

[old venture]

stop trying to reinvent the wheel and fix your fucking game

[void hound]

Yeah you’re not gcd locked liken before but it feels like the coup gcd lasts longer or something

[old venture]

and this is from someone who's played casually in s1 and hasn't touched the game in 4 months

lmao

[molten citrus]

outlaw can even double Coup during ADR

[old venture]

everytime I ask myself if I should come back

[molten citrus]

.8s gcd allows them to coup->coup

[old venture]

I just read the spec channels

and I'm like yeah I'm good

[void hound]

Im having a blast on sub
But it could be a lot better and the coup stuff is just inexcusable

[lilac stag]

The new raid looks fun. Will play warrior and look at pretty visuals. Enjoy time with homies in guild.

[old venture]

I can't find myself dedicating 20 hours a week to a game where the devs clearly don't care about their playerbase

[molten citrus]

i really want the CE mount from next season

like

[steady dune]

There a some issues with sub, but its playable and enjoyable for sure

[molten citrus]

i might get back into pve just for that shit

[steady dune]

the delay with CP refund is fucking horrible though

[void hound]

Yea nd deathstalker still plays like ass

[molten citrus]

but they do care !!!! about paladins hunters and shamans !!!

[old venture]

you don't like needing a weakaura sound to predict the CP refund so you don't overcap 12389102398129312831 combo points?

[steady dune]

theres a WA for it?

ive been running rawdog

[plush roost]

Thats hella recency bias tho man, Shaman was literally the red headed step child for multiple xpacs

[lilac stag]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[sacred path]

Ok I decided purple stabber was the one for me and worked on my rot etc. Feeling pretty good

[old venture]

the shadowcraft refund sound trigger, it's pretty spot on

[sacred path]

What's the wa pack made by the savant for rogue

[molten citrus]

im going off of how many changes they've gotten since DF basically

[steady dune]

ooh nice, Utils shit

[sacred path]

Or plater profile or w.e

[molten citrus]

because like back in SL i feel like barely anyone got changes ever

[old venture]

spriest got like 3 reworks during SL

holy pally got like 2

spriest gets like 2-3 reworks legit every expac

lmao

[molten citrus]

are rogue and dh the only classes with 1 dev to 2 classes

[old venture]

they don't assign devs like that anymore

[molten citrus]

orly

[old venture]

it's rotating teams

there's a general class development team

and they just kinda rotate who works on what

[molten citrus]

well

blizzar suk

[old venture]

tbh it's mostly management

[molten citrus]

[old venture]

the devs actually working on the game care a LOT, but they have to operate within whatever framework the project managers want

[molten citrus]

oh ik

realz is a g in my book

[void hound]

Maybe its time for osrs style voting for changes

[old venture]

like if you remember start of DF when assa got nerfed like 5 times

that was the balance team's doing

because of how oppressively good survival and destro lock were for the end of SL

they wanted to showcase that they were "balancing the game"

[molten citrus]

actually coming into community forums and saying anything at all had to have taken some guts/care

[old venture]

so assa got nerfed for the sins of survival hunter bombs and destro lock infernal spam

lol

[molten citrus]

it kinda feels like tuning has been slow this season

[old venture]

because if you remember, they proceeded to buff like 8 specs to FAR above how good assa was pre-nerf

[molten citrus]

post 11.0.5 anyway

yeah i feel like they tuned pretty often in DF iirc?

[old venture]

it's the lifecycle of wow, you get attention, your spec is good, then it hurts someone's feelings in Heroic, then you get nerfed, then they buff other shit, then you're sitting there watching other specs do more damage than you ever did

[old venture]

yes and no

there were glaring bugs and poor tuning all over the place in DF

[jaunty umbra]

mage sp aug incident

[old venture]

ye

godcomp

[molten citrus]

i remember hearing outlaw was kinda op during 1 season

[old venture]

of DF?

[molten citrus]

ye

[old venture]

nah

that was assa

[molten citrus]

i don't think it was an entire season

[old venture]

outlaw was solid, but not OP

[molten citrus]

s3 or s4 i think

[jaunty umbra]

s1 DF was actually kinda good balance wise iirc

[molten citrus]

in dungeons

[old venture]

yeah s1 DF was great

but by the time to stupid fucking ring came out

yikes

[molten citrus]

the rings honestly seem dumb

like mini borrowed power every season now?

glad they're nerfed into obscurity for pvp

[old venture]

I mean they're supposed to be catch up mechanics for people who come into the season late

[keen dome]

It does seem like they've settled on a formula for expansion seasons with it, though. First 0.7 having a big borrowed pwoer ring

[old venture]

but the problem is they're awful at balancing their impact

borrowed power is fine if the acquisition isn't ass

the problem is, the acquisition is always ass

[keen dome]

Yeah, they really aren't that impactful. The better catchup is the super quick 581 stuff from the Isle, and I guess a gigantic ring but it's kidna mid

[molten citrus]

honestly towards the end of the season can't they just start giving out "free" gear?

[keen dome]

I think the island gear should be 604 iLevel or something, not 581. Esp this late

[old venture]

idk if anyone here's played legion

[molten citrus]

like make the siren isle gear actually good type beat

[keen dome]

Just blast people to normal+

[old venture]

but my legion gamers remember running maw of souls a billion times for artifact power

[keen dome]

Outside of a bug when it went live, the ring is actually really quick to get. Sub-30 minutes, then sub-10 for each ilevel boost.

[molten citrus]

i still need to go farm 30 Maws

for my appearance

[old venture]

then corruption in BFA + the getting azerite gear with the right traits on it

[keen dome]

Azerite gear

[kind bluff]

It took me less than an hour start to finish when i came back this week

[keen dome]

Please no trauma.

[old venture]

and needing multiple sets for dif content

and the quickest source was gambling, with no bad luck protection

[keen dome]

For once they actually nailed the ring acquisition + alt friendliness on the island though, which was nice to see. It's very smooth and quick, no rng, just donezo

[molten citrus]

how do you catch up the ilvl

[keen dome]

Quests

They take no time at all

[kind bluff]

Purple triangle quest

[molten citrus]

ik the gems are like acc wide basically right?

[old venture]

warbands and all that shit is a great step in the right direction

[keen dome]

They're warbound so yeah, account wide once unlocked

Buy 'em and shove 'em in da warbank.

[molten citrus]

ig i need to go get them if im gonna pve next ssn

[keen dome]

On a fresh alt it's basically: Get intro quest to island -> travel to island -> do two quests -> click skip option -> get ring + first upgrade -> get second upgrade quest -> do it -> repeat for the next 5 upgrade quests.

No friction, no bullshit

[molten citrus]

agreed. i kinda wish they'd take it further

allow all currencies to be warbound

[keen dome]

Also go back and make all reps warbound

Which I imagine they're working on.

[jaunty umbra]

you also get catchup upgrades from rares

[keen dome]

You can buy a full 581 vet set on the isle for 2k iron, too. Takes 20 minutes to get the currency for it.

It should be higher ilevel though, but it's very quick and you can catalyse it immediately for full 4-set

[molten citrus]

i think my pvp gear is good enough compared to that ngl

[keen dome]

For all the issues, the island is one of the best catchup things they've done in recent memory for how little friction it has

No bullshit, no "repeat this for every alt intro scenario" etc

[molten citrus]

word

[keen dome]

I was actually really surprised when I ran my alts through it for the ring

But def wanna see more warband stuff, more currency, more rep, more interconnectivity.

Delete valorstones!!!

[lilac stag]

The crest grind is worse

[keen dome]

It's needlessly complex, too. Delete valorstones, make every item have a single bracket. Smooth out currencies either to a singular one (valor) or more logical cateogires. And reward more of it I guess

Also 1:1 catch-up for alts. I.e., if you max a helmet on your main to 639, then your alt does not require crests at all up to that ilevel.

[lilac stag]

Gearing an alt still feel troll even with the reduced crest need and increase crest drop

[keen dome]

Ye

[spiral yacht]

anyone have a good place to find WAs for tracking the important things i need to know for sub? WAGO is kinda all over the place

[lilac stag]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[keen dome]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[keen dome]

High5

[lilac stag]

[spiral yacht]

hell yeah! tyty

[keen dome]

But yeah - a 1:1 thing would make a lot of sense to me. You'll still be running content for the gear. You just won't be grinding it and can instead focus on getting to the point you want to be playing instead of simply repeating the grind multiple times.

It'd also make it so much smoother to swap characters mid-season, or even late.

[lilac stag]

I have to run keys. I don’t like that feeling after the first two - three weeks.

forced content gonna get forced.

just make the damn keys fun

[keen dome]

I think just letting people play the content, rather than feeling there's a grind or work to be done to get to that point, would do a lot.

[lilac stag]

wow devs still tied to the affinity that was EverQuest

[dry plank]

Keys are fun wdym?

[lilac stag]

it’s happened on occasion. This season ain’t it.

[vale pine]

is valorstones still the problem when playing alts?

[lilac stag]

They’re annoying if you’re just trying to craft everything right away

You can solo farm those at least. The mythic crests are pain.

[keen dome]

I don't think they really add anything to the game. They're a currency you either have a lot of, or none. And grinding them out is tedium.

[vale pine]

think we had the discussion, its one way of farming player engagement.
Multi currency systems are the norm in mobile games.

[keen dome]

Yep

[vale pine]

I am not saying wow is a mobile game, but they use a lot of the same strategies.

[keen dome]

But it's a system that exists in WoW to add needless friction and force a grind that serves little purpose. Removing them reduces this, and makes it smoother. You can achieve the same result by increasing their source, removing the cap and making them warbound, etc.

But I think just deleting them is best. They're not a useful system. You go to upgrade and don't have enough - time to go grind something for some stones. I don't know if it's pure engagement, but it is adding another stepping stone between the player goal and achieving that goal which increases the time spent working towards it.

[vale pine]

engagement means creating a system to spend more time to reach the same goal.

you spend more time in game for the grind = higher engagement

[keen dome]

But good engagement design is meant to be invisible, or harder to pinpoint. It's a bad engagement system, and I don't think it was designed with the intention of being one. It's just a badly designed system that creates more time spent for no real purpose.

[swift tinsel]

But you're already grinding crests, and four different kinds over the course of a season so I agree valorstones are unnecessary friction

3-4

[keen dome]

If the engagement system is obvious, then it's failed as an engagement system because the player can identify it, imo.

Arguably the new reputation system in 11.1 is an actually good engagement system - do content weekly to progress towards rewards. But it's properly obfuscated that it won't feel like a chore to do it, and I bet we see a higher portion of the wow population raiding because of it.

[vale pine]

It fails to be fun, it achives the goal of you spending more time in the game.

[keen dome]

I think engagement in the game would go up if they ripped out valorstones, too.

[swift tinsel]

that's inherently problematic

[vale pine]

yes, but the currency ensures you spend the time every time you need the currency. It is a simple way to control just how much time you need to spend to get a certain power level upgrade.

[swift tinsel]

but it creates a hotdog-hotdog bun scenario because the amount of crests and valorstones don't really match up in acquisition

[keen dome]

I don't agree that it's controlling a specific amount of time. Because of how it's rewarded (and the 5x worldsoul things being so efficent) that it's.. so poorly designed as an engagement system, haha

[vale pine]

it is also why its capped on a low value, you can't bank a lot of it in preperation

[vale pine]

So you are saying, you need diffrent amounts of both currencies for a upgrade.
Coincidentally, it means you need to spend a certain amount of time in multiple contents, which keeps you playing longer ^^

[keen dome]

Yeah, absolutely agreed there

I wouldn't be surprised if their original design goal behind it was simply "we want to push people into different game modes"

[vale pine]

it is the same with the travelers log, it is a light version of a season pass

[keen dome]

ye

[swift tinsel]

Conversely, pushes people out of content because they don't want to have to spend more time playing multiple contents

[vale pine]

you now need to log in every month and do stuff, keeps you subscribed to the game even if you don't play it

[keen dome]

Yeah, it's a really good example of a pretty (imo) positive engagement system.

[vale pine]

but thats the good thing about the system, you can't make a reliable argument around it.
The game is complicated enough to lose players to many factors, so you can never point at a specific featrue.

[keen dome]

Absolutely true, yeah

Which is why I have this laundry list of changes to fix WoW

[swift tinsel]

You absolutely can make an argument around it, because it is a developer-designed system that causes people not to engage in content

And losing players to many factors can absolutely include that system as a factor

Valorstones as an alt-deterrent

[vale pine]

you can make an argument, but lack data to support the theory

thats the point

[swift tinsel]

Because you'd have to poll every single person who stops playing

[vale pine]

trying to convince somone who has potential diffrent opinions that they are wrong without any factual proofe is almost impossible

[swift tinsel]

or stops enganging with that content

Hi, I'm proof

[lilac stag]

you could argue that lack of attention to class dev effects player retention but is there any specific analytics that could pinpoint that?

[swift tinsel]

That's the limitation of research design

[keen dome]

Well, this discord channel....

[swift tinsel]

the info is there, the means of quantifying it is unreasonable due to scale

[lilac stag]

yep

[vale pine]

i know so because i had people with factual prove via simulation who did still claim the data is wrong and my claims are unreasonable.

[lilac stag]

How many active subs aren’t in a discord for class discussion?

[keen dome]

Hmmm, man, that'd be a really interesting bit of data to find out

We do have such low play that I bet it'd be a relatively interesting %, too. But probably nigh impossible to actually get within any kind of statistical validity.

I would put gold that it's a representative sample though

[keen dome]

You'd only have to poll a representative sample. Ideally a cross-section of people from different focuses.

It'd be painful but probably not hard to get a couple thousand respondents to a survey asking why they quit WoW.

The harder part would, I guess, making sure it was people who quit WoW recently though

[swift tinsel]

and stipulate quit retail

[vale pine]

people just stop playing

[swift tinsel]

because hardcore/classic is booming

[keen dome]

yeah true, quit is the wrong word

[vale pine]

so the people complaining on forums/etc are typically the ones still playing

if i don't want to play wow anymore, i would not rly care what the game does

[keen dome]

Which is an issue with any kind of online survey to get data - you have a much more limited way to control for people. And it's easier to simply bullshit. So while I do think you could get a representative sample, you'd really need some strong controls to avoid bias or bad data.

[vale pine]

survays also tend to be overly positive

it is extremely hard to get good feedback

[keen dome]

I've done a few and it's a lot of effort to write a properly controlled online survey to actually get useful data.

Blizzard should do more surveying with quantative controls, imo.

[lilac stag]

Fomo from streamers

if poe2 was remotely decent, it’s not booming

as dumb as the pirate drama is, it gets eyes on the product.

[keen dome]

ye

[lilac stag]

I can’t even tell you who streams HC Poe except Elon

[keen dome]

haha

[swift tinsel]

was more so a point about assessing current subs

would skew data

[keen dome]

A single sub gets you access to all of them so it's not a good metric

[swift tinsel]

exactly

[lilac stag]

sure but it’s not like your can just remove other variable

[keen dome]

WoW is a healthy game, though. It's just worth keeping in mind that the majority of people do not engage with higher end-game.

Most people are casual

[lilac stag]

now plunder is here.

[keen dome]

Yeah

[lilac stag]

People will drop unless something catches their eye

S2 for a month

Then what?

[keen dome]

Yeah - content creators will go to whatever is good content unelss they're a OTP creator

And then they'll make their own

[sacred path]

Class disc using players has to be a small section doesnt it

[lilac stag]

retails health isn’t directly accurate to the overall wow ecosystem of subs.

[swift tinsel]

which is my point

[sacred path]

I'd assume lfr only players are the biggest pop

[keen dome]

Something like that. Hard to really put them in a box because it's so varied. Some may hit cap, never do LFR, only do world content and chill. Some might exclusively run M0's. Who knows. Big game, lotta players

[lilac stag]

your point wasn’t clear to me then.

[keen dome]

DataForAzeroth is always super interesting to see how small a % of the population touch Heroic

Or get AotC, rather.

[swift tinsel]

Lofibanshee on twitter has really good metric data too

[hazy breach]

Leveling guides are also way more popular than you might expect

[keen dome]

Something I hadn't even considered, that's a really good point

[lilac stag]

I think if you start looking at overall data, you realize just how insignificant the active pop in this specific channel really is.

[keen dome]

Haha, absolutely

But I bet if you narrowed it down to something like: Sub rogue at max level with AotC / Mythic kills. I bet then you might have a pretty interesting % of that being in here but that's absolute guesstimation

I am probably massively underestimating the amount of people who play Sub and do that.

[lilac stag]

There are plenty they likely do world content.

raiding you can probably guage from lfr on in wcl

[keen dome]

Within my specific criteria, I mean

[vale pine]

There was a big amount of people who only play mythic+ because they don't like 20 man content

[sacred path]

How's sub in delves

[swift tinsel]

Can do 8+ without too much trouble

[vale pine]

good

[sacred path]

Nice, just hitting 80 so haven't got a chance to work through em yet

Usually do them with my friend on a warloxk/hunter so I assume lots of the downsides mitigated Esp. With tricks

[vale pine]

doing them with a friend is def. more fun

[lilac stag]

Sap more than tricks at low ilvl

[sacred path]

Smart.. I will have to dig into the toolkit as I'm new to the class in retail

[foggy geode]

Hey so I'm doing pretty well gaming as a new sub (rerolling to rogue to raid in 11.1) but what I still don't understand is when do I actually press black powder in m+, is it 8+ targets and when I don't have flawless form?

[hazy breach]

#subtlety message

Thats for trickster, for deathstalker you always BP on 2+, as long as you dont have darkest night up

[foggy geode]

ty

[lilac stag]

My condolences.

[foggy geode]

I wasn't forced, I'm having a lot of fun

[lilac stag]

!remind me 2 months

[foggy geode]

I was a survival gamer can't be that bad here

[lilac stag]

hahah

[foggy geode]

[lilac stag]

SV at least gets a line or two of blue text that isn’t a pvp nerf

but I’m glad you’re having fun, that’s important.

[foggy geode]

True, the only lines I've seen of sub is "wow no more coup charge"

Which tbh is nice, but hardly anything

[lilac stag]

don’t expect anything

Maybe a buff to BP

also hope you enjoy assa

[foggy geode]

Not as much

why?

[keen dome]

Hell yeah more Sub rogues

Dozens of us! Dozens!

[lilac stag]

The spec has a Hoosier ID being really good or really shit. Forcibly with both specs is a very good thing.

and our losses (tier, transmitter) outweigh our incoming gains unless they make some adjustments to trinkets

[keen dome]

It's going to be a very interesting season if they don't. And my interesting, I am interesting to see how many Sub rogues continue to play 😨

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/the-green-mile-gif-231239496849716081

[dry plank]

I do not care how many will play or not. I don’t want another ass season

[lilac stag]

Good luck

[hexed sluice]

If the season sucks then its just 2k mount and casual raiding with guild for me and then work on old acheivements treat it like an end of expac patch

[keen dome]

Blessed approach

[twilit phoenix]

i'm pissing and shitting myself for it not to be another sin patch

[lilac stag]

Spec with a complete toolkit, vs subs toolkit.

[twilit phoenix]

please bro i'll do anything

[grave delta]

outlaw szn

[fallow nimbus]

man, trinkets on ptr are a real let down

so many dmg on use

[lilac stag]

str trinkets are ok

[twilit phoenix]

wouldn't mind outlaw tbh

[lilac stag]

Agility not so much

[fallow nimbus]

yeah, but is it realistic that we will use str ones?

[twilit phoenix]

a sub season would be sick, but I'd take OL over sin

[twilit phoenix]

no we wouldn't use str strinkets

[lilac stag]

As an agility class fuck no

[twilit phoenix]

i think he's just saying that str users got decent trinkets

and agi classes got really mid ones

[lilac stag]

Mmhm

[hazy breach]

I mean not really

[fallow nimbus]

a little str/agi on the good one would do the trick

[sacred path]

Do you guys make your own wa or do you use one of the packs suggested in the wowhead

[twilit phoenix]

i just use one of the ones you can find in this disc

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border

[lilac stag]

When is the special dagger getting added to the loot pool.

[keen dome]

Tomorrow

[fallow nimbus]

made my own abomination years ago and sticked to it

[keen dome]

It's gonna have a proc that causes it to explode.

When it explodes, it deletes the item.

[lilac stag]

Just toss tine strike or whatever it was on something

[keen dome]

Hahaha

[lilac stag]

Oh wait that was chromie. Not goblins.

[keen dome]

Hey, the time knife could just show up!

What was the blurb on it...

[fallow nimbus]

call it something gobling like

[keen dome]

So just have it show up. Finally, rogues get to see it drop!

[fallow nimbus]

i have 2 in the bank

[vale pine]

can i go back to a old iteration of the spec with time knife?

[keen dome]

Yes but it's WoD-era Sub

[twilit phoenix]

gotta miss the knicker of time

[lilac stag]

I can just sit in my garrison then.

[twilit phoenix]

i remember pulling a myth track dag

was legit overjoyed

[merry agate]

man i sure love to consider myself a burst specc and get totally shit on by enhancers in that aspect :3

[twilit phoenix]

ya sub has giga burst

but enhance has omega giga turbo burst

[rocky ocean]

They are not subtle

[hazy breach]

Not scaling with PI and BL is a both a curse and a blessing

[lilac stag]

Imagine wanting to feel the speed of play increase with lust. No one wants that.

[hazy breach]

But most of their burst is gonna get lowered a lot, the reason they burst so hard is because they can bank 3 tempests

And from the looks of it our burst is gonna be significantly stronger since our new tier set should be very strong

Current tier set is 20%/16% dmg to sectech/bp respectively, whereas the new one is like 100%/50%

[merry agate]

still not working on ptr?

[hazy breach]

Nop

[merry agate]

new tier set major hopium

[vale pine]

the tier set is numerical quite good, even tho it might be not that exciting gameplay wise

[hazy breach]

Well ye it also probably includes being afk and not casting non-rupture finishers outside dance to achieve those max stacks

So its a bit oof

[vale pine]

[merry agate]

well we are used to janky playstyles are we not?

[hazy breach]

Hopefully they revert the deathstalker buffs so we dont need to play it anywhere too

[pliant topaz]

reminder that DN is STILL bugged with shadowed finishers

that lingering darkness STILL bugged with sectech

mashallah

[vale pine]

you want to make sapzilla unhappy?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[vale pine]

good, i like trickster more

[pliant topaz]

what if I told you coup either fully doesnt work with tier, or it counts as 3 hits all with the chance of dropping tier ?

[merry agate]

probably

[swift tinsel]

Only rupture gaming outside dance, woo

never drop

[vale pine]

i would beleave you, i only quickly tested stuff on ptr and ended up being like "i think i come back to it in 2-3 weeks"

[alpine wraith]

ehehe

i logged in

[hazy breach]

Also incase people missed it in #1065728795455266888, chuffa found out that its actually a sizeable gain in deathstalker AoE to actively try to not proc your darkest night by striking other targets to reset the stack to 3 (and proc clear the witnesses)

[alpine wraith]

yea ctw hits super hard

and it is uncapped

btw

[hazy breach]

Its mostly not needing to cast DN eviscerate

[molten citrus]

[hazy breach]

Now that BP got giga buffed

[alpine wraith]

well on 15+ targets it hits harder than b`p

it gets silly

per target not overall of course

[pliant topaz]

if bp does 80% of evis's damage. and DN doesnt work with shadowed finishers, then on 3+ targets its probably just flat out more damage to bp than to consume DN. yeah makes sense bet, sick design

[molten citrus]

Oh for a second I thought you meant you spam strike->storm only lmao

[pliant topaz]

now we just needed a way to find out how to continue consuming marks and generting CTW without consuming DN

and he found a way

cinema

[hazy breach]

If they fixed the bug

We could just not use DN and instead just strike

[alpine wraith]

yea sadly you cant cancelaura DN

[hazy breach]

Thats clearly too much to ask for though

[alpine wraith]

strike storm bp

strike storm bp

[pliant topaz]

yes gnome mages orb for their hero talents specifically as fire mage isnt 4K yet

gotta fix that first

[alpine wraith]

we would get memes again

yea they will buff fire 2 times again

[jaunty umbra]

they completely missed the mark with mage too. reworked arcane 10 times since 11.0 and it still sucks balls, and now they just butchered their aoe

[swift tinsel]

bc they refuse to admit aethervision sucks and keep doubling down on it

[hazy breach]

In the sims ive done clear the witness does more damage on 6 targets than the DN eviscerate too