I am a new player tho
#subtlety
fallow nimbus
Old sub was pretty straight forward with dust but now with 3 sod charges, cdr stuff and all that new players pretty much can get overwhelmed at certain times
drowsy moon
Big question do I ever in any scenario dance without symbols
drowsy moon
My dance is always macrod to symbols so it's not a bad thing
Oh
I have symbols seperwt3 as a button
fallow nimbus
If boss dies in a few secs then just fire everything
In general you use secret as your guideline
But 2 dances and sods for cds have highest priority
leaden prairie
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
fallow nimbus
Sub is kinda different to most other specs that use all cds on cooldown or stack same cd stuff. You have times where you have like dance+ sod ready but don't want to use it yet and thanks to charges don't have downsides doing that
That's why I think sub should have something like CB as its "guide" to ease the mental load for newer players. Like get rid of some cdr, maybe sectec and cb on a set 45 sec cd but sectec can hit harder, work with blades and stuff.
leaden prairie
but then i dont have fw on other targets if i dont storm right, and bp doesnt do damage without fw doesnt it
hazy breach
The idea is to always go strike > sectech > storm (with your second rotten stack) > bp etc
Because storm is bugged with rotten and will consume both stacks on a single cast
So you have to strike before 🙃
fallow nimbus
CB adding 100% crit and all above that add crit dmg
hazy breach
Its a bit silly yes
leaden prairie
forgot about rotten
is rotten good
i feel like we take rotten cause nothing else
hazy breach
FW is quite redundant nowadays, hopefully they remove it or make it relevant
hazy breach
is rotten good
Yeah its actually quite good
But the other points arent great. Its kinda silly how rotten by itself is better than 2 points of finality in sims
leaden prairie
The idea is to always go strike > sectech > storm (with your second rotten stack...
what do if sectech proc cp refund
if i bp there
the bp is bad no
fallow nimbus
Eviscerate i think
hazy breach
Ye unless youve done a couple of storms to apply ruptures
Then its probably fine to bp anyway
leaden prairie
ah ye true
hazy breach
Its just 
leaden prairie
this is a bit cursed hm
hazy breach
this is a bit cursed hm
As is often the case with sub 
fallow nimbus
I hope we get 11.1 news when 0.7 hits
vale pine
11.0.7 is fairly small, i wonder if 11.1 will bring bigger changes
swift tinsel
Personal wish for 11.1 is a rebalancing/reworking of some hero trees and looking at spec trees like sub's that are kinda wonky
bit of a pipedream though
vale pine
sub plays well atm, lets hope it stays like this.
Deathstalker def. could need some love and the spec tree
plush roost
Sub plays well, just wish our capstones had choice to them
When would you ever not take shadowcraft
swift tinsel
I'd love to see the interactions that are supposed to work together actually work together
and I agree, sub plays very well right now especially trickster and I sincerely hope they don't alter that
I think like Eleem has mentioned FW needs to be looked at and either shelved or made into something more impactful/interesting
plush roost
Lowkey if Darkest Night reduced the CD of shadowdance and sec tec by an additional .7 per cp or something it would be bangin
vale pine
find weakness is in this state of being a bit annoying but not rly somehting that gets attention
swift tinsel
Yeah, in st its entirely forgettable and in aoe it feels like less interesting mark of the crane
vale pine
it was introduced for flavor, but did just add more complexity for the sake of it. Which is the theme of sub
swift tinsel
and that's not saying mark of the crane is interesting
glad raven
I miss Dark brew
vale pine
I miss Dark brew
dark brew is possible in m+
as deathstalker
but you probably wouldn't play it, brew trades off single target for aoe
glossy turtle
Does ds sim higher for m+? But it is just annoying to play?
I have never actually played sub deathstalker
hazy breach
It does not sim higher in dslice no
It only sims higher in really long sustained aoe (like 3+ minutes typically)
Its mostly about letting your ruptures stack up to full and letting them do its thing
Which is not gonna happen in most keys
glossy turtle
Aaah ok, saw your runs today brw, you were pumping maaad. I rly wanma play it when inget home
glossy turtle
It does not sim higher in dslice no
Good to know
vernal drift
Dont know if its answered already. Thoughts on skardyns (639) over transmitter (626) at court?
swift tinsel
transmitter too stronk
lines up better with damage amps as well, at least according to lorrgs
vernal drift
saw some logs with skardyns, thats why I asked, was a bit curious
swift tinsel
o7
hazy breach
People have indeed been doing alright damage with skardyn on court but it doesnt really make any sense
Its mostly for the passive agi for the burst phases where you dont have flag+blades, but then you might aswell play like contract or something with no-use idk
glossy turtle
its soo weird that we are actually doing dmg with BP. idk why I think it is. it just is XD
swift tinsel
darkest timeline lol
glossy turtle
dont have a nice bind for it though. so it feels kinda akward
swift tinsel
storm + bp spam just feels too unengaging for me
glossy turtle
I think that is fine tbh, but in dance, strike and bp feels weird
vernal drift
!log
round latch
<:Cheesin:1004094333458317332>
Eleem stream when 
Great content
leaden prairie
yuge
round latch
<:POGGA:752673749555216464> Great content
leaden prairie
not being able to pug is a first for me
in df i was pugging high keys
idk what happened this tier
i can only play with team over the weekends now
lfg is deadge
hazy breach
My shaman guildie has pugged decently but idk
leaden prairie
idk its not like in df
in df i pugged keys higher than im currerntly timing with team basically
hazy breach
Even on non push weeks?
Idk i mostly stayed right on title range in df
Now im a fair bit over
leaden prairie
especially non push weeks since team was playing only push weeks really idk
its a bit weird
hazy breach
especially non push weeks since team was playing only push weeks really idk
Ye ig that makes sense
vale pine
Even on non push weeks?
haha, we need the "its push week" clip
hazy breach
Gromnak clips always go hard
glossy turtle
what would an aoe opener look like? was it something like, just the regular st one, until we hit blades we do Shurken storm and then just blast dam?
hazy breach
Ye its the same as ST in general
Just replace strike with a storm and evis with bp when applicable
dusk egret
congratulation you have finally beaten the game you can go rest now 😄 (or roll a pirate rogue)
hazy breach
congratulation you have finally beaten the game you can go rest now 😄 (or roll...
Cant catch me play outlaw
wind canopy
Outlaw 
stray plank
Cant catch me play outlaw
I can't think of a feeling more painful than losing adrenaline rush cuz I can't stealth for some reason but I'm in combat
pliant topaz
^ i can think of a more painful feeling!
feeling of having to play outlaw for some reason
stray plank
^ i can think of a more painful feeling!
🤣
strange chasm
There is no better feeling in this game then rolling all the buffs with one roll and having zero to start
stray plank
That's true
lilac stag
There is no better feeling in this game then rolling all the buffs with one roll...
There is. As soon as your hit the swap spec button to not play outlaw.
stray plank
Crackshoting every gcd of vanish is pretty good too, until you realize the other DPS did the same damage without needing gigga luck 🤣
still trellis
you mean they did more because there were more than 8 mobs
uneven scarab
azure mauve
Gromnak clips always go hard
WHAT YOU PUSHING BUD?!?!
so good
theres also a clip of him complaining about undergeared raiders on a vault pug raid
stray plank
you mean they did more because there were more than 8 mobs
So true
tepid trellis
There is no better feeling in this game then rolling all the buffs with one roll...
pressing N and swapping to real spec
tepid trellis
correct
random hare
Cant catch me play outlaw
Cant wait for outlaw to be mega meta in raid that everybody has to play it and then i have to farm outlaw discord msg’s for the next 6 months on that tier
hazy breach
Nah dw its gonna get nerfed immediately if thats the case 
worn cape
Heey guys, I am new to sub rogue and DPS in general. How do I use my burst windows in M+? Should I make sure I have my major burst up at the pull of every boss or just send it whenever?
hazy breach
As long as you have something to hit for your entire burst
Its typically just send on CD
Since we do so little outside cds holding cds means we lose a lot of damage
worn cape
Okay, so not having burst at the pull of a boss is not bad?
alpine wraith
a boss is long enough to get at least 1 set of cds in
hazy breach
If you only look at boss damage its obviously not good
But generally getting more casts out across the dungeon is going to be better
Notable exception being stuff like mist first boss where he takes 200% more damage, most of the time at like 1-1:20 into the fight
Then its worth losing a cast overall to get it inside that window, since youre effectively getting "3 bursts" at the same time
worn cape
I see, thanks for the advice. 
turbid dirge
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
honest saddle
Notable exception being stuff like mist first boss where he takes 200% more dama...
Timings usually line up in mists that you can send cds on the 2 big swamp things before the first boss
and then cds are up for the burst round
hazy breach
Ye it just depends on how it goes and what level it is
honest saddle
I think past like a 12, you might have time for 2 sets before the burst
but highest I have done as sub is a 12
hazy breach
Ive also seen some high key pusher streamers that had cds on pull but didnt use it
And then the burn phase happens at 1:33 anyway
Although most of the time its in the 1:24-1:28 range
honest saddle
yeah I think on high keys you could send on opener, but whats the point
you could have sent on the two dudes before and gotten more value
hazy breach
Well you can do both
honest saddle
yeah I guess depends on comp
and how fast they can burn the 2 dudes
who is doing high keys on sub that streams
I havent found any really high pushers
hazy breach
Nobody, but some of the assa dudes play sub first part of mist and last part of nw
I have some 16s on youtube, but not that many
honest saddle
I am watching yours now
leaden prairie
i stopped playing mist first part as sub
the swapping out takes too much time in that dungeon
when you pull the pack after boss trough wall
and its not as neccessary as nw anywya
nw last boss is really cursed as assa
honest saddle
I would think as soon as you go upstairs in nw, you go sub yeah?
hazy breach
If youre two phasing anyway it doesnt matter much ye
leaden prairie
I would think as soon as you go upstairs in nw, you go sub yeah?
no i do it before the 2 crafters spawn
before that you have packs that are good as sin
and during that rp you have lot of times
- these 2 dudes die alone
from the cleavers
hazy breach
Theyre completely fine as sub too, but its mostly the 2 dudes that kill themselves
So you dont really even need any damage
You dont lose much from not being there, whereas you would lose when your tank is pulling the large pack and youre outside
leaden prairie
the swap out is prolly worth dps wise anyway
twilit phoenix
damage amp bosses are cringe
honest saddle
how are you getting out of the dungeon?
hazy breach
Ye
leaden prairie
you come back and cd as sub
honest saddle
yeah
leaden prairie
in the middle of kirian area
elfin hound
!bug
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Bug tracker: Bugs - Subtlety Rogue
honest saddle
what do you think about ephemeral vs Exhiliarting Execution
in raid specifically
in m+ I always run EE
stray plank
you come back and cd as sub
Can you even solo the ad on sin without CDs?
upper narwhal
Can you even solo the ad on sin without CDs?
beyond a certain key level if you don't have darkest night ready it can legit kill you
even then it can kill you lmao
leaden prairie
Can you even solo the ad on sin without CDs?
no 
stray plank
Yeah, it killed @limpid hazel on a 14 the other day haha
stray plank
Remember when that ad on last boss of NW beat you up?
limpid hazel
yea it hurts u deffo need evasion or heal pot or god
upper narwhal
hold vanish for the yeet and make the ad someone else's problem
upper narwhal
lmao
stray plank
🤣
stray plank
Master assassin moment
limpid hazel
honest saddle
if you have the 1 hr tricks thing on as sub and you hit the add downstairs
BAD DEAL
stray plank
WAIT WHAT
hazy breach
Ye then you need to kidney
He wont insta tp
But he will after like 5 seconds or so
upper narwhal
does it snap or just perma evade?
hazy breach
Neither
worn cape
Do you guys talent into Shiv for NW? Does it work for second boss?
stray plank
Do you guys talent into Shiv for NW? Does it work for second boss?
I doubt it
warm marlin
It does soothe him yes
sharp kernel
Do you guys talent into Shiv for NW? Does it work for second boss?
Does it seem that your tank absolutely needs shiv? Cause generally speaking, people are running with sin rogue and they only use shiv with cds, so it’d be by accident if the boss gets de-enraged
humble jolt
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
worn cape
so basically no need to talent into shiv?
alpine wraith
kinda
glossy turtle
trying to learn sub for m+. is it possible to get some feedback? 🙂 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2bCtPwKr1J97Hg3R?fight=3&type=summary
graceful crown
quick questions; at what number of units do i press BP instead of evisc as trickster
stray plank
trying to learn sub for m+. is it possible to get some feedback? 🙂 https://www....
too much black powder not enough evic
glossy turtle
in what sense? like I am supposed to not use it for 5 targets? or am I using it at below 5 targets?
stray plank
in what sense? like I am supposed to not use it for 5 targets? or am I using it ...
evic cleaves on 7 targets
hazy breach
And your burst windows are all whack
hazy breach
evic cleaves on 7 targets
Yes but BP does more at 5
stray plank
Yes but BP does more at 5
oh weird
glossy turtle
XD. well I kinda just threw myself into deep water tbh. so I wanna use Bp for 8 targets then? not 5?
hazy breach
No, at 5
glossy turtle
And your burst windows are all whack
What am I messing up? 🙂
kinda felt weird popping flag when packs insta die. Ig I just dont have the timing right :C
gentle terrace
hey guys how is sub rogue doing in M+?
vestal escarp
goated (mid) ((good))
stray plank
kinda felt weird popping flag when packs insta die. Ig I just dont have the timi...
looked like some of them you pop sectech late in your dances
glossy turtle
Use them more often
like on cd? and then perhaps save if close to boss?
stray plank
like on cd? and then perhaps save if close to boss?
cd
saving for boss is a trap
unless theres damage amp
fair stump
hey guys how is sub rogue doing in M+?
better than at the start of the season, viable atm.
teal prawn
!wa
glossy turtle
saving for boss is a trap
Damn ok, was still fun to play sub! I have transmitter, but i dont wanna make sub more complicated for now
606 though, so nithing groundbreakinf
stray plank
Damn ok, was still fun to play sub! I have transmitter, but i dont wanna make su...
Pro tip for transmitter, your orb/platform always spawns at 2 o'clock
But yeah sub doesn't care about lust so it's mostly about getting as many CDs used as possible
As long as they aren't wasted anyways
glossy turtle
Yeah that is one thing, as outlaw i didnt care, then i started playing dh n stuff, and assa( haste improves tick of poisons and bleeds?) and i had to learn to care again, and now i need to get used to not caring again
Well outlaw doesnt have any major cds tbh, but still
glossy turtle
As long as they aren't wasted anyways
That is the thing, in an 11 i feel like everything is a waste, kinda, cause stuff just gets oneshot
stray plank
Easiest comparison to outlaw is you don't wanna vanish if they won't live through your crackshot window
glossy turtle
I mean yeah, true
Also its 1:30 cds, not 2: min.
But i do think i can seriously improve in other aspects
Like the burst combo
When i dont have vanish
stray plank
Yeah, little keys are weird, most things die to my first dance in blades on a 10, helps if your tank chains though
crude cloak
so i also am kinda new to sub just trying it out because i like the playstyle is black powder kind of a dead button rn
glossy turtle
so i also am kinda new to sub just trying it out because i like the playstyle is...
Nope, it just became relevant
glossy turtle
Yeah, little keys are weird, most things die to my first dance in blades on a 10...
Yeah, i tend to overthink alot as well
When in reality i shouldnt
crude cloak
so should i be playing the other hero talents instead?
glossy turtle
No
stray plank
When i dont have vanish
Vanish doesn't really matter on sub, same with re-stealth. Like it helps but it's not a crackshot window or an indiscriminate carnage/master assassin buff like the other specs
stray plank
so i also am kinda new to sub just trying it out because i like the playstyle is...
Black powder on 5+
glossy turtle
Vanish doesn't really matter on sub, same with re-stealth. Like it helps but it'...
Yeah, but like you know for st opener im just soo used to just having stealth, so sometimes i dont know how to open
crude cloak
is sub good in st for raids as well it seems like its profile could be strong
stray plank
Yeah, but like you know for st opener im just soo used to just having stealth, s...
Just set up your flag into blades+dance pretty much
glossy turtle
is sub good in st for raids as well it seems like its profile could be strong
Not as far as i know, you pump as assa
stray plank
is sub good in st for raids as well it seems like its profile could be strong
Yeah
It's slightly worse than sin in st but way more fun imo, st sin gameplay is awful
stray plank
!spreadsheet
crude cloak
and not restalthing for deathmark is hella troll
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
glossy turtle
There is a big difference between sin st raid and st m+
stray plank
Check that out @crude cloak
crude cloak
or there hero talent i mean
glossy turtle
It's slightly worse than sin in st but way more fun imo, st sin gameplay is awfu...
I dont wanna flag - dance symbol - stech - blades?
stray plank
I dont wanna flag - dance symbol - stech - blades?
Wdym
glossy turtle
Well that is also the thing, i dont know ehen to implement shuriken storm
glossy turtle
Wdym
Like instead of doing blades into secret tech. I do secret tech into blades. Like in the st opener
stray plank
Yeah that's fine
stray plank
I'm saying you just spend some CP in your flag then send everything
stray plank
dude slim thank u so much
Thank @vale pine they're the person who gives us all the cool resources
crude cloak
well thanks @vale pine !
glossy turtle
I'm saying you just spend some CP in your flag then send everything
You perhaps use shuriken storm early in the opener?
short radish
thanks @vale pine
stray plank
You perhaps use shuriken storm early in the opener?
For single target?
stray plank
Are you talking about tornado?
stray plank
Me personally I run non tornado build, that button is so clunky
jaunty heath
Tornado is used if cds are >30 secs away iirc
Haven’t played nado either
But I think that was the only rule to it
glossy turtle
Me personally I run non tornado build, that button is so clunky
How? Isnt there only like 1 m+ build?
stray plank
How? Isnt there only like 1 m+ build?
Naw there's 3 I think
glossy turtle
You need to use it as a builder outside stealth, and once in stealth, to proc that talent
jaunty heath
No there’s multiple, even both hero specs are playable
glossy turtle
Thingy
glossy turtle
Yeah
I said shuriken storm at the beginning, but seemed by the reaction it wasnt a name
stray plank
Oh lol I didn't understand the question
glossy turtle
Do you do rotten into evisc or bp? Cause i see eleem sneaking in an evisc once in a while, even at 5+ targets
jaunty heath
Is Eleem playing ds?
glossy turtle
No
glossy turtle
Trickster
stray plank
Do you do rotten into evisc or bp? Cause i see eleem sneaking in an evisc once ...
Sometimes prio damage is just more important than padding aoe
jaunty heath
Yoj need to keep slice and dice up
As trickster I think you only Evis at 5+ for snd
stray plank
Using BP doesn't help much if 1 target is left at 50% health
jaunty heath
And anything under 5 you evis anyways
But ye snd triggers from evis so
You don’t wanna drop that
And also what slim is saying
glossy turtle
forgot all abt that
jaunty heath
Situational uses for evis
glossy turtle
as outlaw and assa, you donr rly need to think abt it. but now that BP is relevant it makes sense
stray plank
Do you guys know if coup de grace proc cares about target count?
jaunty heath
Uhm
You always strike when you have strike
Only time you don’t strike
Is when rotten is up
Then you use one on strike
And second one on storm
glossy turtle
huh, ok. Dont think I have been doing that XD
jaunty heath
Eh not exactly sure what the target count for that rule is but it’s prob not very high
But also this one singular thing won’t make or break your gameplay
glossy turtle
No, but thinking abt it does.
jaunty heath
Just remember if you see rotten icon on your weakaura
One strike
One storm
That’s it
hazy breach
Do you guys know if coup de grace proc cares about target count?
Not sure what this means
hazy breach
one strike -> spender -> one storm -> spender
Strike > sectech > storm > bp, every dance
glossy turtle
Do you guys know if coup de grace proc cares about target count?
uuuhm last time I checked it doesnt have feelings
jaunty heath
Not sure what this means
Probably if there’s a target count where coupe is worth less than bp
glossy turtle
ok, you dont wanna Sectech after storm?
hazy breach
If thats the question then no you always coup
jaunty heath
ok, you dont wanna Sectech after storm?
The kind of builder you use doesn’t matter
What matters is
Secret tech goes first
glossy turtle
I was thinking for imp Shuriken storm
Wont that make Sectech hit harder?
Or do I just not know what weakness is? which can be very likely
jaunty heath
I am honestly not sure if getting snd through evis has higher prio than getting your secret tech first
In case you don’t have snd running
But Eleem knows
hazy breach
You should have snd running before dancing to begin with
glossy turtle
coupe doesnt trigger snd, which is kinda annoying
jaunty heath
Yeah okay true I’m stupid
glossy turtle
You get it through opener, so I assume you just keep it going after that
jaunty heath
You evis first finisher in flag for snd regardless
So that doesn’t matter
Tldr use one rotten stack on strike -> secret tech -> next rotten on storm -> bp
glossy turtle
yessirs. sounds good.
Also just gotta find a good bind for my BP, havent used it before so I have it on an awkward button
strong shoal
#assassination message
Big changes to m+ / crests
stray plank
what do you guys take instead of first dance for heavy chain pull tanks? Weapon master?
i guess i could take nado too
hazy breach
the only option is weaponmaster
But dont
Youll get enough resets for tfd in every dungeon to make it better than weaponmaster
stray plank
Youll get enough resets for tfd in every dungeon to make it better than weaponma...
some tanks i play with pretty much never drop combat tbh
hazy breach
Doesnt matter
hazy breach
Youll get enough resets anyway because you literally cant chain the entire dungeon
glossy turtle
but cant you also kinda play it out better? like maybe you have 4 sec before a pull happens, then you can kinda stay in stealth for 2 sec without attacking?
hazy breach
After most bosses you get it for example
And you dont need a lot of them for it to beat a lowly pure ST talent like weaponmaster
glossy turtle
Youll get enough resets anyway because you literally cant chain the entire dunge...
No way you arent doing mdi pulls through your 16s
hazy breach
Or if you want to think about it in CDR terms its like spending 60 combo points because youre getting 30s of "CDR" by getting an additional half dance
glossy turtle
is it team combat or is it your combat status? like can I just in theory be stealthed around mobs for 6 sec and get extended?
hazy breach
Its a buff on you
That count up when youre not in combat
It is undoubtedly a bit wonky
But you can often just not engage for 1/2s if you want yes
tribal blade
some dungeons you're guaranteed to get it on most pulls
delicate steeple
is there a way to sim ovinax egg at 30 stacks of the agility buff?
or vice versa
and what is the default sim expect it to be at
jaunty heath
You can set conditions for the trinket, I think base is 20/10(I could be wrong)
hazy breach
The baseline is randomly rotating but never going above 20
short radish
is it team combat or is it your combat status? like can I just in theory be stea...
you need to kinda sit at the back as well
if you get too close the timer will start again
but you can always shadowstrike in
since youre in stealth
brisk onyx
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
frank bobcat
anyone else consistently cursing the existence of a charge on coup during ansurek prog?
sudden bone
is symbols pandemic at 3 seconds?
thorny rivet
!sod
wicked joltBOT
Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
short radish
anyone else consistently cursing the existence of a charge on coup during ansure...
yes, you just have to seethe and cope
when you know the poison bomb mechanic thing is
just gotta pay extra attention
hazy breach
is symbols pandemic at 3 seconds?
Yes but you typically dont really think about it
We are using symbols to get superchargers on sectech, which naturally means we wont override our symbols uptime
frank bobcat
just gotta pay extra attention
yea, im at the point where im triple checking my coup counter whenever the boss is on the move/shes about to jump away
frank bobcat
the worst is you get a long p3 pull, and then you totally check out p1 and die to something beyond dumb
because of coup charge
but im bitching about a skill issue, so be better i guess
toxic topaz
Damn I haven’t been playing first dance for m+ seems I’ve been missing out eh.
foggy egret
hey guys ive been looking at talents for keys, seeing more trickster now. Is there a big difference in running that over deathstalker for keys?
unkempt trench
Is rupture an aoe attack? I noticed when I ruptured an enemy in my dungeon today, the enemy beside it also got ruptured?
charred kestrel
There’s a talent that makes rupture apply to 2 targets
foggy egret
hey guys ive been looking at talents for keys, seeing more trickster now. Is the...
anyone have any insight into this?
short radish
gzgzgz
i stuffed up one of my cooldowns
i think i might be able to sneak a purple on my next kill
but red just feels so fuckign bad man
short radish
anyone have any insight into this?
we've always been playing trickster
except for like one week when BP got buffed
foggy egret
you still dont BP with trickster until a like 16 targets right?
yeah i remember that wek
tribal blade
but red just feels so fuckign bad man
it does, feels turbo bad
i also kinda didn't have a great pull on our kill
i was doing more on previous wipes sadly
short radish
always happens
hollow raft
Hello. New to sub m+ here, when do i know if i got nimble flurry or when to spam bp? any neat weakauras reccomend?
fair stump
Hello. New to sub m+ here, when do i know if i got nimble flurry or when to spam...
Whenever you have flawless buff, which gets procced every time you apply unseen blade and sectec
BP is used at 5+ targets
!wa
fair stump
I'm using luxthos's WA
hollow raft
oki. thanks! 🙂
takes abit time to get used to this spec in m+ scneraio. you prefer trickster or ds?
fair stump
Trickster is the easier to learn, your ST rotation is almost the same as your AoE rotation
I think DS can parse a bit higher in some cases, but imo it's miserable to play
hollow raft
yea i felt trickster was the thing for me. so Bp is always at 5+ targets?
or only when i dont have flurry
fair stump
There's an additional condition
You BP at 5+ targets as long as they all have FW
I don't know what's the count number if they don't have FW
hollow raft
ill look into it. Ty
broken mortar
whats a good WA for transmitter?
abstract dock
I can't seem to fit 3 secret techniques in my opener. Any tips?
edgy zenith
it shouldn't be continuous
there should be a down time of no dance after the first two
then you resend on your third sectech
abstract dock
ah ok, so i need to wait a bit after first 2 dances
abstract dock
thx
chrome palm
RL is asking me to go subtlety. Skardynn Grace simming best for me currently (no transmitter yet), do I just hold it for my shadow blades window whenever it lines up?
alpine wraith
I can't seem to fit 3 secret techniques in my opener. Any tips?
you dont do the 3 dance opener anymore
you just do 2
then dance again when sec tech is up if you're trickster
if you're DS you wait for CB kinda
stray plank
I can't seem to fit 3 secret techniques in my opener. Any tips?
That's old stuff with invigorating shadow dust which is gone
tribal blade
you dont do the 3 dance opener anymore
i forgot about the 3 dance in flag, i'm having ptsd thinking about it again
alpine wraith
you still kinda do it with first dance
stray plank
i forgot about the 3 dance in flag, i'm having ptsd thinking about it again
Better not miss a gcd buddy
alpine wraith
it is a bit fun i like it
tribal blade
optional at least 😉
it took me a bit to figure out how to actually do the opener on queen properly
i had to pull up a vid to see exactly how to position
because the boss does a massive move right at the start and you have a small window to do transmitter
but kinda crazy we progged the entire P1 in 1 night
abstract dock
Also for shadow blades, is it only the opener that delays using it?
tribal blade
Also for shadow blades, is it only the opener that delays using it?
always delay
abstract dock
what's the reason for that
wind canopy
You're also getting full CP with premed from things like Dance in the beginning, so it's just a waste to use SB right with flag.
tribal blade
basically combo of you gain full CPs with premed on first builder in dance and blades doesn't buff sectec in any way
actually i think blades buffs the physical part of sectec, but the real damage comes from the clones
short radish
1 night of queen prog and we've done the entire of P1 basically
nice, now you can prog it for another 5 more nights
because 1 person will fuck up every time
and you'll have 0 bres going into p2
pliant flame
whens the best time to use vanish?
alpine wraith
on opener
vale pine
whens the best time to use vanish?
You use it in the opener to proc premediation, it is fairly unimportant after that
tribal blade
nice, now you can prog it for another 5 more nights
haha honestly sound about right
short radish
glhf
tribal blade
our prot pal quite literally died on pull for i think at least 30% of the pulls
short radish
🙃
tribal blade
but i did some good limit testing with how much you can greed positioning
tribal blade
honestly P1 is pretty chill
so long as you're willing to sometimes eat losing uptime
it's not bad
and no coup deaths so far
tribal blade
very true
oh actually i did almost die to coup, but i got lucky
the tanks suddenly pulled the boss away as i couped, and it shot me over a web blade
and it singed my ass hairs
keen dome
Coup versus Rogues. The ultimate battle of the wits.
lilac stag
Coup vs twitchy tanks.
plush roost
I had the luxury of thousand cuts proccing as i was moving away from a web blade
Ahh to be a trial in a guild and explain my unfortunate situation
"its like felblade, but rng."
Tempted to play sin next week ngl
Our comp had 2 druids 2 warlocks
I barely finish my first dance before platform 1 was dead lol
alpine wraith
if you dont do first portal in second platform it is more dps to send cds into that one
sadly that is my job so dps goes bye bye
plush roost
I was thinking about that, but i was kinda trolling the night and didnt wanna change anything
Maybe I'll give that a go next week
You get your cds back around the first add spawn in p3?
If u do that?
alpine wraith
yes
tribal blade
oh my god i forgot to swap back to cheat after we rekilled princess
WELP
i was literally on queen being like "damn, cheat doesn't work on a single goddamn thing on this fight"
void hound
works on green blobs
and web blades
oh nvm im stupid
speaking of which tho, im surprised people didnt run elusiveness on silken court more
tribal blade
speaking of which tho, im surprised people didnt run elusiveness on silken court...
true court is a good one for elusiveness too
the main things that'll kill you cheat can't save you anyways
that's partially why i didn't notice i forgot to swap back
void hound
yeh
plush roost
Hmm
I also forgot to swap back to cheat
Would have saved a few wipes since I got hit by waves twice and gloom orbs once tonight
Ill just run with something like: a real gamer doesn't need cheat because he doesnt get hit
tribal blade
I also forgot to swap back to cheat
one of us, one of us
vestal escarp
i often forget to swap to elu for kyveza
fossil dove
Cheat death is a crutch!!
swift tinsel
Can always make a reminder WA
vale pine
cheat death is based, you would never skill out of it
alpine wraith
i actuall dont use it on m+ or raid that much except queen
that is rife with 1 shots
swift tinsel
I like having the mistake cushion of cheat
vernal drift
hello there guys, I uploaded a log from our court prog, can someone check and point out any mistakes? At p3 Iam completly lost with cd timers https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1316439299570401411
urban lion
does supercharged cps resets with boss?
hazy breach
It resets down to 2 whenever you pull a boss
lilac stag
If you have charges it resets to a max of 2
lilac stag
Margin of error?
hazy breach
Yes trickster wants some crit
clever delta
9k diff on ring isnt really margin of error
lilac stag
It is
leaden prairie
9k =/= 900 cuh
9k isn't margin of error otherwise it would be blue in that sim
Uwu
hazy breach
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hollow spear
Do I also have to face a certain direction during the kill to make her drop it?
swift tinsel
Gotta get a 360 noscope killing blow
barren haven
Again, dear people, I have an understanding problem or I would like to clarify something for myself:
If we are close to Coup de Grace (4 stacks) then are we really using BP until the dance window?
So does that mean with coup de grace up we use our super charge on it and then secret technique as 2nd finisher?
Otherwise Sectec is always our first finisher in the dance?
In the case of AoE (let's say +4 targets) then do we also or super charge bp?
stray plank
I forget where I saw it but it's a very tiny gain, unless you're being super sweaty it's not worth it
hazy breach
Again, dear people, I have an understanding problem or I would like to clarify s...
It doesnt really matter, just use coup asap most of the time
So you dont waste procs of it
barren haven
It doesnt really matter, just use coup asap most of the time
Ok, and if we have the Chance super charged and sectec after?
hazy breach
It doesnt matter if you use supercharger on an eviscerate or coup
It adds the literal exact same amount of damage
stray plank
Yeah it's just more CP, it's not a damage amp like darkest night
hazy breach
Since supercharger isnt +40% dmg, its +3 combo points, and eviscerate scales linearly with combo points
stray plank
Think of coup as a big supercharger proc
hazy breach
But you definitely want to supercharge sectech every time
stray plank
Cuz they add a flat amount of damage per a CP used
hazy breach
Ok so Sectec always First?
It doesnt matter
Sectech should always be supercharged
But it doesnt matter if its the first or second, its the same either way
barren haven
Wait what? isnt just the First ability after Symbols supercharged?
stray plank
2
barren haven
Oh
hazy breach
Not if you spec 2 points into it
stray plank
Do builds not run two points in it?
hazy breach
Do builds not run two points in it?
Some assa builds do, but sub always puts all the points into it
stray plank
Gotcha
barren haven
Another one, okay?
Here comes the sub Noob again 
We shuriken storm once in dance while aoe scenario happens and for the Rest we shadowstrike + bp / coup?
Fuu answered me that before I think, bit in real life it felt weird sometimes
swift tinsel
you'd want to use Strike as the first builder after Symbols/Dance and Storm as the second to consume The Rotten, but you have to make sure you're using Storm second because otherwise it consumes both stacks of the buff
stray plank
you'd want to use Strike as the first builder after Symbols/Dance and Storm as t...
Does storm crit everything with 1 stack then?
barren haven
you'd want to use Strike as the first builder after Symbols/Dance and Storm as t...
But storm as 2nd Build and just once for macabre?
fair stump
Do we have any info on the new ring?
stray plank
Do we have any info on the new ring?
Bad unless buffed
hazy breach
But storm as 2nd Build and just once for macabre?
No the storm is to apply find weakness
With the crit
But thats only for aoe
fair stump
At what target count do we storm instead of SS?
barren haven
Thanks
hazy breach
At what target count do we storm instead of SS?
Never
hazy breach
The cp stops scaling at 6
swift tinsel
strike is big dam + inev
hazy breach
You cant get more than full cp from a storm anyway
And storm does no damage, whereas strike does a lot of damage
swift tinsel
and the added bonus of being able to proc unseen blade
stray plank
Btw how are we mathing BP over evic at 5 targets, based on tooltip that doesn't seem to math
swift tinsel
beware of trusting tooltips
barren haven
Another min/max thingy in M+:
do u guys stack flagellation and shadow blades in trash or cascade from pack to pack? What gives more outcome in the end?
swift tinsel
Can pretty much send cooldowns as they come up for pulls as long as you have them for dangerous ones and bosses
barren haven
Ok
barren haven
I think im clear now ty guys
hazy breach
Most of the time as long as you have something to hit during all of it you should be using them on cd
Because you do so little damage outside of cds
hazy breach
Btw how are we mathing BP over evic at 5 targets, based on tooltip that doesn't ...
Theres a bunch of stuff thats not included in the tooltip and/or is unintuitive
hollow spear
What's priority: wait for pandemic window on symbols and ignore that sectech is ready or send symbols for an immediate supercharged sectech? I assume the former, but want to make sure.
void hound
It doesnt really matter, just use coup asap most of the time
is it not advisable to hold coup with BP so we can put it in dance?
hazy breach
Not really no
hazy breach
What's priority: wait for pandemic window on symbols and ignore that sectech is ...
Neither really
You send symbols to guarantee a supercharged sectech
Sectech doesnt have to be the first finisher
It can be the second
So when sectech has 10s or less left is when you'd use symbols
hybrid prism
do yall ever take shiv?
hollow spear
Maybe I remember it wrong (have to check vid), but I was once in a situation during opener that sectech was up again and symbols was > 3 seconds
stray plank
do yall ever take shiv?
Only if I'm forced to lol
hybrid prism
bro that pfp lmao
hollow spear
Hence my question. Do I wait until symbols is at 3s and just send another finisher, wasting cdr on sectech. Or do I re-symbol early?
stray plank
Maybe I remember it wrong (have to check vid), but I was once in a situation dur...
Yeah but if you wait your sectech won't be in transmitter
hazy breach
That shouldnt really happen unless you get an excessive amount of sht procs
But again, all you care about is getting supercharge on sectech
stray plank
bro that pfp lmao
It's Christmas 😊
hazy breach
It naturally works out fine with the pandemic window by just playing around that anyway
digital aspen
yo Eleem, any keys you ve found DS works better than trickster?
or at least where you play DS at
hazy breach
no
digital aspen
trickster supreme, nice
hollow spear
Ok, I'll not worry about that then
hazy breach
DS is fine, but it mostly does the same things as assa does
So why not play assa instead and do more
digital aspen
yeah fair
stray plank
DS is fine, but it mostly does the same things as assa does
Except sin has caustic splatter
hazy breach
Doesnt really matter
gray cradle
Hey guys, in aoe scenarios as sub trickster do we not press shuriken storm to get Find Weakness in every mob do to more dmg?
charred kestrel
Hey guys, in aoe scenarios as sub trickster do we not press shuriken storm to ge...
gray cradle
ty
lament hearth
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fallow phoenix
!sod
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Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
mighty citrus
^what does cqs do?
left ledge
^what does cqs do?
Cancel queued spell
teal prawn
!wa
clever delta
first kill of queen wasnt it team xdd
void hound
ðŸ˜
vale pine
first kill of queen wasnt it team xdd
gz
vale pine
agree, its annoying
swift tinsel
I catch myself doing the BP instead of coup just so I don't dash and die, not for the minor dps gain lol
keen dome
i just killed myself with coup charge, so I agree.
swift tinsel
barren haven
@hazy breach @swift tinsel ty guys, u took me to a whole new sub experience 
twilit phoenix
first kill of queen wasnt it team xdd
did a ring drop?
sick jackal
first kill of queen wasnt it team xdd
yuge gz
btw is it worth to use mandate(hero) in court if i have 639 contract
round latch
aight who stole my place
me
vestal escarp
teal prawn
It was pretty fun. But you’re really doing tank damage outside cds lol
teal prawn
Working on it. Pretty fun
fallow nimbus
it's impossible to die with coup dash dies with coup dash
solar charm
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strange chasm
You think they make race changes discounted on patch reset?
Wondering what I should swap back too
vale pine
You think they make race changes discounted on patch reset?
don't think its worth to change race
strange chasm
From gnome I have to it's pain
swift tinsel
You gotta stock up on murloc wands during the event so you can be one forever
glossy turtle
what is the next best trinket?
im trying to learn sub rn, and idk having to jump 3 times n stuff or collect buff kinda messes me up
I do have all the saucey trinkets
dry zodiac
Unfortunately, even a 606 transmitter will beat all of those
glossy turtle
oh yeah, but like what would be the next best thing
glossy turtle
... dude this sucks. Cause it just makes learning the spec harder. Cause I need to concern myself with the trinket mechanic
digital aspen
collect or stand in circle 🙂
you can just learn the spec without the trinket, and once you get it implement it into your playstyle
I know it looks intimidating at first, but after you play it for a while, it becomes second nature
glossy turtle
I know its simple, but when you gotta make sure you open correctly, while having to absorb, it messes you up. The smallest things can mess ppl up when theyre learning
digital aspen
I get it, that's why i'm saying, start with getting your burst window down, and then start implementing the trinket into it
step by step
glossy turtle
yeah, im simming rn to see what is best
what dps should I be aiming for (overall)? rn im just playing 10s, so I wont have to worry abt anything other then rotation
I know it varies
digital aspen
like you said, it varies
glossy turtle
But like for an ara kara
digital aspen
idk, depends how your tank pulls, and when the other dps use cds
i dont think overalls are a good metric
glossy turtle
well How do I know im doing things right? I dont know how to log or anything
tepid trellis
whenever i do weekly keys (which is rarely) i usually do around 2mil in Mists
glossy turtle
whenever i do weekly keys (which is rarely) i usually do around 2mil in Mists
with or without consumes?
tepid trellis
just wep stones
glossy turtle
gota, I usually only run food buff
digital aspen
what s your ilvl
glossy turtle
630
tepid trellis
im however 638
glossy turtle
I am abt to craft a neck
Havent played soo much since I started late, and trying to pug a cot, literally made me stop playing m+
digital aspen
pugging can be rough yeah
glossy turtle
Idk why a pala, can absorb half of the orbs, and just not use bubble, on dark pulse. Like I have no joke ran it 15 times. it just wasnt worth it
glossy turtle
im however 638
wont be a big difference, right?
tepid trellis
well 1 ilvl roughly translates to 1% dmg
glossy turtle
8%, are ya sure?
tepid trellis
ROUGHLY
digital aspen
you seem to have racoon power too Bondo, so you ll be fine
tepid trellis
then you also have item effects
glossy turtle
I have
well yeah Ig, last time I played i got 1,6 with skardyns.
with food buff only I think
digital aspen
just focus on doing your burst window well
tepid trellis
thats my sub gear
digital aspen
and try not too hold cds too much
glossy turtle
after bp got relevant, it kinda got awkward for me
digital aspen
just neck left stealthi?
tepid trellis
yeh, unfortunately silken court doesent feel like dropping it
glossy turtle
thats my sub gear
why doenst gnome look bad here, something is wrong. the white hair slaps ngl
digital aspen
did you catalyst the boots or kept them high vers?
tepid trellis
kept em
glossy turtle
thats my sub gear
how do I have more agi then you?
digital aspen
im thinking of playing 2x duskthread, 1 on bracers, not sure where id put 2nd one though
tepid trellis
how do I have more agi then you?
transmitter doesent give mainstat
digital aspen
how do I have more agi then you?
transmitter
glossy turtle
forgot abt that
but yeah anyways, BP kinda messed me up
after playing assa, not just using a cleave feels weird
void verge
Gloomblade isn't affected by Nimble Flurry, right?
glossy turtle
and outlaw as well
tepid trellis
gloomblade = backstab
tepid trellis
but yeah anyways, BP kinda messed me up
i honestly just play DS in my weekly keys whenever i do them
allows me to full brain afk
glossy turtle
i honestly just play DS in my weekly keys whenever i do them
yeah but I wanna learn. anything other then a 12 or above just feels like brainrot
swift tinsel
Gloomblade isn't affected by Nimble Flurry, right?
you wouldn't play gloomblade with trickster though
tepid trellis
more than 1 target = BP
glossy turtle
XD
digital aspen
plays kinda like old sub
tepid trellis
its quite simple
glossy turtle
well I like trickster
digital aspen
you d just do shadowstrike-bp then, for aoe
shuriken storm to consume 2nd rotten stack
glossy turtle
hopefully sub stays decent, so you can push keys with em
i get all the rules
its just having to execute it
that makes it hard.
digital aspen
dont worry, i ve forseen s2 sub meta
swift tinsel
unless they actually nerf sub it'll be fine to push with
tepid trellis
Assa is currently blizzards favorite child when it comes to rogue
swift tinsel
might top out below the absolute highest keys but will still be very good
yeah they got juiced
digital aspen
well mostly, just doing a big opener ( flag n blades) is what I mess up
practice that a lot on the dummies, thats where most of your dmg comes from
swift tinsel
Was funny getting PI over the unholy dk's in Amirdrassil
glossy turtle
Assa is currently blizzards favorite child when it comes to rogue
I know assa very well, its just boring.
swift tinsel
as sin
digital aspen
stealthi, lets say i wanna play 2x duskthread, and wanna keep very rare cloak on, should i slot the 2nd one on belt and call it a day?
hmm, i could craft a helm
tepid trellis
Was funny getting PI over the unholy dk's in Amirdrassil
nah what made it blow was that if you had aug evokers in, you would actually wanna PI the unholy on pull, then the rest goes to the Assa rogue after it
i hated that shit
the unholy DK just randomly yoinking my execute PI
-.-
Id do belt yes
swift tinsel
ah we never had a raiding aug until we started recruiting a few weeks ago
this is the first tier we're actually doing mythic since Vault
tepid trellis
pretty sure i called him a rat
swift tinsel
based
Our PI's were the wild west, we had 2 priests and the first few pulls of the night they'd be loosely assigned then you never knew who was getting it when lol
so I'd pay for it early with gold or flasks/pots bc I was always farming them
glossy turtle
would you only use dance + symbols if you have secret tech ready? Or can you do like symbols + dance -> shuriken storm -> BP -> Shadow strike -> Secret tech.
So like I get Secret tech off cd by using BP. Or do you HAVE to wait to do
symbols + dance -> Shadow strike -> Secret tech -> shuriken storm -> BP
quaint prawn
So when we came back to our Flag/SB cds again during combat. Whats the order to execute there? You have enough cpoints to finish pop flag then what?
glossy turtle
does it matter which one it is? I would think danse macabre would make it better for 2nd
chrome palm
!wa
tepid trellis
So when we came back to our Flag/SB cds again during combat. Whats the order to ...
just same shit as normal
flag finish
go
tepid trellis
oh wait nvm, just read the tierset
that + super charger
glossy turtle
that + super charger
but supercharger is just the first 2, right? isnt it the first 2 abilities that deals extra dam?
tribal blade
hm i think i'm gonna eat my words, first non ara 19 was timed
so seeing 20s timed definitely in the future
glossy turtle
so seeing 20s timed definitely in the future
if they fix that piss ring
perhaps 20 ara
without ring
tribal blade
if they fix that piss ring
possibly even without the ring, but it would be brually difficult to do
you would legit need to redline the pace of the dungeon and couldn't afford a single death
fossil dove
you would legit need to redline the pace of the dungeon and couldn't afford a si...
Any mistake is just a loss
tribal blade
Any mistake is just a loss
yeah pretty much
tepid trellis
but supercharger is just the first 2, right? isnt it the first 2 abilities that ...
Finishers
glossy turtle
also it would require you time a non ara 19
Dawn possible? Or do the orbs just hit too hard?
quaint prawn
So with Symbols do we only use it outside our cd windows if Sectec is up?
tribal blade
Dawn possible? Or do the orbs just hit too hard?
no idea tbh
but the damage that goes out in dawn is pretty scary yeah
glossy turtle
Defensive play just needs to be perfect for that one
tribal blade
hard to say which dungeons will become impossible at which level
glossy turtle
Or someone got hella close to timing it
hazy breach
Grimba is very hard
fossil loom
complete sub noob here - ive looked over the wowhead guide and in one part it says trinket + shadowdance and other its trinket with flag. 2 questions - a) which one is preferred and b) do you delay the 2min trinket for your 3rd flag?
hazy breach
complete sub noob here - ive looked over the wowhead guide and in one part it s...
Transmitter does not give you stats when you press it
But when you complete the minigame
fossil loom
ok for skardyns i can just press with flag, since its 20secs or whatever instantly
hazy breach
So you want to press it with flag so you can complete it in time for dance (or technically for blades, but its fine either way)
Ideally get transmitter, but yes
fossil dove
but the damage that goes out in dawn is pretty scary yeah
Those level keys are like walking across a paper mache bridge
It's scary to even think about lol
glossy turtle
How back is finality btw? Havent run it, just curious
hazy breach
How back is finality btw? Havent run it, just curious
Not
glossy turtle
Didnt mean back, piss im on phone *bad
hazy breach
its 7.5% bp/evis dmg per point, thats not a whole lot
glossy turtle
Damn
hazy breach
Sure its a bit of rupture too, but a lot of rupture damage is replicating or corrupt the blood, which doesnt get buffed by finality
digital aspen
eleem, when stream, i wanna watch some sub rogue keys
hazy breach
eleem, when stream, i wanna watch some sub rogue keys
Cant really stream, theres like a 2 hour pause inbetween each key as they dont really exist
glossy turtle
Need to watch you slam an arakara or something on sub
hazy breach
I uploaded some vods of some keys
glossy turtle
Have seen 2, pretty cool, had no audio though. But you wre pumping big dam
hazy breach
Ye had to cut the audio as i accidently recorded with my unfiltered mic so you'd just be hearing tons of breathing, button pushes and me when i speak swedish without hearing the rest of discord
glossy turtle
I would understand it, and i love me some asmr XD
digital aspen
shall we 3x rogue?
glossy turtle
Pre potting CoT is baller. Getting that 0,1 sec dmg amp XD
I am too broke to not care abt that stuff XD
digital aspen
there s literally only one 16 up on eu lfg
quaint prawn
So with Symbols do we only use it outside our cd windows if Sectec is up? Or off CD?
hazy breach
You want 2 symbols during flag+blades
tribal blade
Cant really stream, theres like a 2 hour pause inbetween each key as they dont r...
gotta start running your own key so you can get people to join and give it a good drive by
and then leave after yakuzaing it
hazy breach
Outside of that you want to make sure you always get your sectech supercharged
quaint prawn
Aight ty
strange chasm
!fuu
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strange chasm
Why does orc sim so good for sin and sub lmao
hazy breach
Burst specs like an additional burst cooldown
strange chasm
Just wondering if I swap back to dwarf or possibly to orc
hazy breach
Technically more simdps but
strange chasm
I mean dwarf racial insane for keys, but I've been gnome and doing fine
hazy breach
Its not even that amazing this season
tribal blade
dwarf is great for last boss of siege and the curses in SV
poisons in ara
but other than that it's nearly as required as previous seasons
hazy breach
Ye its not bad, its just not nearly as overpowered as some previous seasons
Very few dangerous bleeds for non-tanks this time around
strange chasm
Is regular orc still better than maghar in the next patch?
hazy breach
Theyre pretty much the same
I was expecting maghar to be better but i did some sims earlier today (and im fairly sure its in simc) and theyre pretty similar
strange chasm
Hmm they seem like defensive wise would be better?
hazy breach
What
strange chasm
The reduction on posion and curses etc
hazy breach
Sure but thats very negligible
strange chasm
you just macro the orc racial to deathmark and shadowblades?