assassination

[gusty mirage]

pls

[oak sky]

make sure you use your defensives and cc while leveling though it helps a lot

[gusty mirage]

@oak sky help

[oak sky]

what

[gusty mirage]

🆘

anduin

help

[ebon notch]

wow

ok

yeah agreon go help him

[oak sky]

yeah ill just cancel my lockout duh

[gusty mirage]

ty

[oak sky]

@gusty mirage literally just bang the boss, your cds will never line up for downstairs

[hybrid vale]

I second that out law is great to lvl with

[gusty mirage]

bro

literally nothing matters

[oak sky]

yes

[gusty mirage]

an arcane mage did 20% of my damage

with 1 crit

[oak sky]

you dont have a job on that fight just sit there and look pretty

[gusty mirage]

yes I do

[oak sky]

oh right

yeah do that job

and after that sit there and look pretty

[gusty mirage]

got any tips?

I feel ugly rn

[oak sky]

yeah just be yourself

youre beautiful

💅

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

[ebon notch]

send nudes

selfies*

wtf auto correct

[limber lion]

sure

[ebon notch]

🧢

[ebon notch]

knew it

blue eyes irl?

[hybrid vale]

Brows

[limber lion]

yes

[oak sky]

gang shit

[ebon notch]

brown eyes black hair

[bleak sky]

chad

[oak sky]

blue eyes brown hair (white dragon)

[ebon notch]

🥲

[bleak sky]

bro you're just like sokka fr

[oak sky]

not a super dark shade of brown tbh

but yeah bro this aint sokka its a commissioned drawing of me

[bleak sky]

[limber lion]

!snap

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of snapshotting

Bleeds update their tick rate dynamically, which means that if you get a haste proc (which increases our tick rate) from somewhere during the encounter (ie. Flagellation, Euphoria), the bleeds would automatically tick faster, but the second your haste goes back to normal, the tick rate goes back down as well.

Snapshotting refers to getting that haste proc, reapplying bleeds at the faster tick rate, but instead of the bleeds going back to a slower tick rate when your haste drops, they would continue ticking at a faster rate until they expire or are reapplied.

[limber lion]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[balmy condor]

@limber lion cock inspection

[limber lion]

voluptuous

[oak sky]

not girthy

[ebon notch]

👀

[ebon notch]

I've never seen this word used in this context

[limber lion]

dick assessment

[balmy condor]

I like how it branches like a tree, very unique

[brazen zodiac]

oh that sounds lovely

[ebon notch]

Wtf

He's got two dicks?

[brazen zodiac]

yeah, don't you?

[ebon notch]

I thought you were a chick

[balmy condor]

no no, it's one massive cock, it just has little offshoots like a bonzai tree

[trim cairn]

Alliance LFG legitimately only having like 20 groups listed

[cerulean nest]

hows sin feel on halondrus?

[limber lion]

Great

[cerulean nest]

we just started but deciding on ksub or sin for prog

[strange python]

Sub may feel nice for the double knock backs in intermission

Both specs will do similar damage, but double step is pretty valuable

[ebon notch]

this is horrifying

[next dune]

whats the book of shadows defensive ! again?

or does anyone know can you cloak hand of destruction on prototype?

[pure moth]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQQUy8zeFKz-vhwoExtDchUlXoxiiHvw0UcqLGJGexgbZvmfy4D5ln_hzIE9_OfLXkJKD6XA4YYPAoP/pubhtml# Thats the link to the book of shadows. It's also pinned in wowgeneral if you want to get the link there.

[echo geyser]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[echo geyser]

@next dune

[cerulean nest]

thats big true

[violet hemlock]

I played sin for first time tn and it felt soo much more relaxing than sub... felt a bit sad when I got a mechanic in my vendetta but such is life. Im def just gonna play sin the rest of the tier.

Do need some practice tho

[spice spire]

[zinc frost]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-nod-yes-robert-redford-beard-gif-10489927

[timber gale]

blessed take

[hybrid vale]

Guys

I need a opinion

Do we go with a 14 mists or a 16 necrotic wake

[glass tulip]

16 NW

[hybrid vale]

Excellent

[hybrid vale]

The deed is done

[dense herald]

is it normal for a jeweled signet to not sim BiS on an assass ST set up?

i thought it was just perma better than every other ring 😮

[white gull]

ur stat weight might be off

[subtle tundra]

if you have like 40 % crit 25% haste 2 mastery 2 vers

it will obviously not be good

[bleak sky]

Or if you're simming a 220 ring vs a 278 maybe

Link sim

[dense herald]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9zkdPQnBpJ3iuyXh5s3hTC

@bleak sky

[bleak sky]

[iron orchid]

i have a feeling your 2nd ring gives you right enough crit for it to be your highest secondary

[glass tulip]

or too much haste/not enough crit from neck?

idk my only idea as well

[iron orchid]

the idea is, by changing ring, you'd change which stat iqd grants you during lust

which may fuck up the sim

sth like this

you actually also have a socket on that 278 ring, and no socket on signet

[limber lion]

Signet will always be the best ring at 272 regardless of whether it has a socket or not

What matters more are the stats because you use IQD.

You need to do a gem/enchant sim to figure out your stats. Crit should be your highest stat, followed by haste

Changing to the aa ring will make haste your highest stat which is not what we want

Probably idk

I'm on phone so can't exactly check

But just do a top gear sim with both rings and crit/haste enchants/gems

[dense herald]

mm. yeah probably funky stuff with iqd. cant do a top gear one because i dont actualy have it, was just getting my hopes up that i wouldnt need it

[glass tulip]

[limber lion]

Sure you can

Here you go

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kmvT1MZyDgrzSuYVLswphs

[dense herald]

wtf is this secret tech

ty cev

[pulsar holly]

did they fix 2set already?

[drifting cloud]

yes

[zinc frost]

got my 278 conduits, insane 50dps increase

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[spice spire]

HUGE

[brazen zodiac]

nou

[spice spire]

Bro? You good?

[brazen zodiac]

no not rly

[glass tulip]

[brazen zodiac]

[hollow river]

[swift pelican]

[zinc frost]

[gusty mirage]

You are tho

[spice spire]

no

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[viscid spear]

Awful lotta pirates here...

[thorn fjord]

Butt Pirates?

👀

[gusty mirage]

You called?

[thorn fjord]

This tier is starting to burn me out =/

Sanctum was sexier imo

[gusty mirage]

Starting to? God bless your soul

[viscid spear]

Imagine not being in a perpetual state of exhaustion.

[subtle tundra]

I'm gonna bend jailer over and shove my flagellation there

[brazen zodiac]

:o

[ebon notch]

parried

[viscid spear]

I doubt he's administering the suppository from the front, sir.

[ebon notch]

where theres a hole theres a way

[viscid spear]

His ||urethra||?

[ebon notch]

😎

[zinc frost]

Too smol

[viscid spear]

Stay away from me.

[ebon notch]

varas gave me very specific instructions

[viscid spear]

[strange python]

Iqd over phial/sigil?

[ebon notch]

sigil giga bis

that is what cev will say

[strange python]

I gotta imagine that iqd would be better on like, 4 minute fights

[echo geyser]

when it gives ur healers mana for sure

[ebon notch]

its only worth with lust

[limber lion]

Iqd and Sigil are both great, just use whatever sims the highest

[serene shell]

unity on head or legs

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[vestal wren]

both is fine

[serene shell]

head comes with socket right

[ebon notch]

boe head

[vast loom]

is it worth simming longer than 5min to compare sigil and other trinkets that might get 3 uses on some fights?

[ebon notch]

yes

i was using cache on rygelon until i simmed the actual fight length

[gusty mirage]

How long was the actual fight length that you simmed

[ebon notch]

i simmed 7 mins

[gusty mirage]

Because a 5min sim has a 20% variance for time as well. So it sims 4-6 minutes

[vast loom]

oh i never knew it had time variance wtf

lol

[ebon notch]

10000 iterations

[gusty mirage]

All the iterations

MOAR

[ebon notch]

at least 3 of them we wiped on pull

that drags the average down

[serene shell]

do ooze trinket interact with assa kit in any way?

it sims so high

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sRYFHR4bpyuV3gzm6GSaQk

[ebon notch]

wait you're 278 and sim that low?

[serene shell]

looks like

[vast loom]

i was just thinking that

lol

[ebon notch]

dont run deeper stratagem

run mfd

ooze sims higher because the sim doesnt always like double on use

[serene shell]

yea, leftovers from pantheon

sadge

[ebon notch]

also with your gear setup you could move unity to helmet and gain a socket

that would be a big dps increase

well "big" is relative

it would be an increase

[serene shell]

im on it right now

[ebon notch]

sim it first btw

[vast loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3uHRascUNxv45bi55fb3W2

[safe patrol]

have ct in shiv window outside of vendetta changed with 2 p?

raid

[limber lion]

Yes

Maintain CT at all times

[brazen zodiac]

im dying for unity on helm but my gear wants me to stay far away from tier pants sigh

[gusty mirage]

Sin actually kinda nice for andy

[glass tulip]

🤔

Don't say that, I'm working my hardest to get benched

[limber lion]

gigablasting remnant?

[ebon notch]

if you get to hit the adds

here i am in call with my officers and JPC and theyre flaming me for getting rank 2 sin on anduin

while these fuckers wont let me touch anything but boss

[glass tulip]

"I have to cast CT in single target, didn't see the adds there"

[ebon notch]

yeah and then the entire raid

starts yelling at me

and dming me

not worth the drama on god

[glass tulip]

Lost souls? Or intermission adds

[ebon notch]

lost souls

intermission i padded like a madman lmao

[glass tulip]

Ah yeah that is what I have heard is the issue

[ebon notch]

cache trinket go BRRRRR

[glass tulip]

Intermission I was gonna say there's no way they can be mad unless hunters are crying

Boohoo, I can't do 60k

[ebon notch]

this is first intermission

[ebon notch]

bro im doing 60k in intermission

theyre doing way more

[safe patrol]

have anyone implemented cevs 4 p weakauras to mystlers rogue weakauras?

[glass tulip]

[ebon notch]

look at this

this is with me minmaxing cache timings and everything

[glass tulip]

Maybe in mythic it'll look diff but even in heroic I can't top like 35k because adds have so little hp

BRUH

[safe patrol]

hmm not to good with weakauras. so will just use cevs as a standalone

[limber lion]

You can use Mystler's weak aura pack and just put my weakauras in the pack

You can delete the garrote/rupture weakauras from Mystler's pack

My weakauras are compatible with any and all weak aura packs, just put them in the same pack and then move accordingly

[safe patrol]

oh okey, that I should be able to do. cheers!

[ebon notch]

nnoggie blasting

after the kill he did vod review on why he didnt hit 50k dps at the end of the fight lmao

[gusty mirage]

Giga blasting the big add downstairs and the remnant

We were struggling at killing it in time

Switched, then insta melted

[serene shell]

damn agi went downhill Kappa nvm

[gusty mirage]

[odd heath]

Giga

My dream is to play sin on anduin lol

Even it being meh for this fight

Are you using double on use for max pad there @ebon notch ?

[hollow river]

My new dream is to be a gigachad survival hunter

[odd heath]

Cache and earthquake trinket

[gusty mirage]

You need better dreams brother

Or just take my spot

You can have it

Lmk when the boss is dead

[odd heath]

Yeeey

It's a shit fight for rogue but I love prog

[gusty mirage]

Honestly I think it’s just a shit fight

It’s not very fun or exciting

[odd heath]

Yeah, not the best design

"we" killed it last week, but I was benched

[gusty mirage]

Like the only redeeming quality is that it’s a tough fight

[timid cloud]

Just look forward to the next fights, brother.

[gusty mirage]

And feels like an end of raid fight

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

Lords where I also do tank damage?

[ebon notch]

nah cache and phial

[odd heath]

Lords is fun, and rygelon will be fun once we kill lords

[gusty mirage]

Chad cache enjoyer

[gusty mirage]

I feel like I’ve contributed nothing to the fight

At all

I have an assigned kick and a kidney shot

That’s it

[ebon notch]

grim reflections are where ass is bis

[timid cloud]

Hey, you know we have the utility that not many others have? I always say it’s our best one & it’s my personal favorite.

[gusty mirage]

We’re still figuring out blasphemy 100+ pulls in

[timid cloud]

Tell me what it is, Oxi, you know it deep in your heart.

[odd heath]

When I had to replace some guy, I felt the same. Locks, hunters and dks doing shitloads of dmg

[ebon notch]

ive been there bro

dw

a really nice trick you can do

is tell everyone to try and congregate towards a certain spot

so if 2 people are lost as to where the other person is

they start drifting there and they eventually find each other

[gusty mirage]

I stand in Antarctica and wait to shadowstep someone

[ebon notch]

for us it was the entrance

[timid cloud]

TELL ME OXI

[gusty mirage]

What am I telling you

I don’t understand the question

[timid cloud]

….

[gusty mirage]

Shroud?

[timid cloud]

I hate you.

Our #1 utility…

[spice spire]

Silence ahegao PFP

[gusty mirage]

I did a test, I didn’t shroud a couple pulls

And people prepulled

Massive utility there

[ebon notch]

@gusty mirage https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/752496343653810216/966048014718349332/unknown.png

this was our positioning for first blasphemy

i just sat there and hit the boss

[timid cloud]

Our #1 Utility is…BOSS FUCKING DIE

[gusty mirage]

Lmao our warriors are leaping around like Tarzan because the ranged never move

Ever

And then when they don’t clear in time

Melee gets yelled at

[hollow river]

Lol?

That’s garbage

[gusty mirage]

Of course, it’s always melee’s fault

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

Had a warlock murder 5 of us with a star because he wanted to finish a cast

“Melee why did you get hit by stars”

Well

[hollow river]

[timid cloud]

But M’uh Chaos Bolt.

[gusty mirage]

He was playing demo

Even worse

[timid cloud]

But M’uh Shadowbolt*

[gusty mirage]

I asked one of our warriors when he’s going to compete for Canada’s track and field team

Because he’s legit just running laps trying to clear

[zinc frost]

Woah the hate on the ahegao

[ebon notch]

shouldnt step on that fight tho cause the circle doesnt teleport

it just moves really quickly

which means you blow others up

[gusty mirage]

Haven’t had an issue with that tbh

[timid cloud]

He’s mad because he can’t have Azshara fissuy

[spice spire]

Call it karma

[ebon notch]

if there is a clear path between you and your target its fine

but if there is someone between and you step over them

[spice spire]

Delete this rn nephew

[ebon notch]

it will kill them

[gusty mirage]

I’m off in narnia so it hasn’t been an issue

[ebon notch]

ok

[gusty mirage]

Our DH and I run out of melee

[ebon notch]

just be aware of that cause re learning is rough

[gusty mirage]

And usually get to clear each other

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

Those are the good pulls

We bonded over halondrus bomb carrying

And now we’re biffles

[hollow river]

Can’t even bond over bombs anymore after the nerfs

Sad game

[gusty mirage]

We discussed bombs a grand total of 4 messages

And didn’t fuck up once

[timid cloud]

30s trust fall.

[gusty mirage]

Meanwhile everyone else was sweating it out

And fucking it up

[timid cloud]

Lol same.

[gusty mirage]

Just looked for our marker and picked it up

[timid cloud]

Actually all I said was, we could probably move to the door sooner. Bam. No problem.

[gusty mirage]

Zero communication otherwise

And it became even less of a problem after nerfs

Been blessed with great DHs in my last 2 guilds

Absolute gamers

Great damage, amazing at mechanics

[solid mica]

Must be nice

[gusty mirage]

Given the DHs I’ve played with before 9.1 and 9.2, it has been

Actual 6 year olds

[solid mica]

Affirmative

[hollow river]

Why do I hate that class

[gusty mirage]

Because most of them are idiots

[solid mica]

Doesn't everybody?

[hollow river]

DH, locks, hunters

[gusty mirage]

Just take a trip to fel hammer and it’ll be even more clear to you

[brazen zodiac]

ur amazing at mechanics

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

(I hate every class that isn’t rogue)

[gusty mirage]

Weird I hate rogues the most

We’re all a bunch of emotionally damaged assholes

[hollow river]

Same

[gusty mirage]

But I mostly hate myself

And I’m a rogue

[hollow river]

(Trash class that gets ignored by developers +9)

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Projecting?

I’m far more than emotionally damaged, sue

[gusty mirage]

Can’t read?

[spice spire]

I’m a rogue

So yeah

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

Mental illness.

Meanwhile I’m over here like….

[zinc frost]

Nah peak mental illness is playing sin in keys during raging week and hearing “can you soothe this?“

[gusty mirage]

Your profile picture has determined that you are indeed a liar

[gusty mirage]

“Can you soothe?”

“Nah fam sorry”

[zinc frost]

No soothes just out here gaming doing no dam

[timid cloud]

“No, that’s the healers job & the Hunter, & the tank, leave me alone.”

[gusty mirage]

“I’m already losing to the kyrian holy priest and you want me to HOLD shiv?”

[violet jackal]

Anyone else getting yelled at for low damage on big aoe in dungeons but never praised for big boss damage 🙃

[timid cloud]

No.

[gusty mirage]

I just spam black powder now bro

Cache + BP spam makes me look better

Unethical as fuck

[timid cloud]

Spamming CT & Bonespiking everything.

I’m at least gonna beat the healer.

Won’t catch me dead.

[gusty mirage]

Goals

[timid cloud]

Wait until you see the shit that made me put this as my PFP, because I posted it all in my guilds NSFW channel.

[gusty mirage]

[zinc frost]

How easy is it tho? Like.. you can flag, finish, Tornado, go absolute gangam style in pack whilst also being able to get off kicks/CS none of this tab target business.

[gusty mirage]

Then i afk

Because I do no damage outside of flag

And I barely do damage with flag

[zinc frost]

BuT oUr FuNnEl

[viscid spear]

What the FoK?

[hollow river]

I FoKd Sylvanas

And I liked it

[ionic kiln]

Does anyone else feel like their DPS is lacking in higher mythic+ keys?

[subtle tundra]

Compared to...?

[kindred rapids]

survival hunter

[ionic kiln]

Other DPS members of my mythic+ team, or just random pugs I run with.

[subtle tundra]

yes, it feels lacking when compared to surv/destro

but that goes for every class

but it feels fine when compared to sub

[ionic kiln]

I'm looking to push Keystone Hero and there's 103 assassin rogues that have a score over 3000, 77 outlaw rogues and 4000 subtly rogues over 3000.

[hollow river]

Rogue bad

[subtle tundra]

obviously

its much easier to go sub

but assa isnt bad

its actually great in a multitude of scenarios

but at the same time, i'd never play it in gambit/dos

and im talking about 28/29 eventually 30 keys

[zinc frost]

@subtle tundra what’s your fav high key you’ve done as assa?

[subtle tundra]

venthyr hoa, necro top

maybe i should download the 28 top and upload to youtube im proud of that one

[zinc frost]

Do it

[brazen zodiac]

do it

[iron orchid]

Do it

[hollow river]

Do it

[subtle tundra]

how supportive of you guys

we can all group kiss

[hollow river]

💏

[subtle tundra]

legit if we played more

we could easily do 29 top

but we dont play that much

[zinc frost]

Have you tried just playing that much?

Like cmon

Jailer can wait

[subtle tundra]

i went to see doctor strange today

tomorrow im attending a baptism

(christianity bruv)

[zinc frost]

Do keys in church e z clap

[vast loom]

hey me too

[subtle tundra]

sunday monday tuesday got raids

[hollow river]

Stop being such a casual sheesh

[vestal wren]

did not expect this.
(old raid trinkets on 285 vs. current bis 285)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/roRcyEyHxC8E7d9zaJ5A63

[viscid spear]

Damn you Protector

[vestal wren]

decenter also on par

[tired falcon]

Hateful lul

[vestal wren]

hateful/decenter + fusion amp 👀

[tired falcon]

Surprised to see decanter

Was it good for sin in 9.1?

[viscid spear]

[vestal wren]

sigil 285 is also on par

[subtle tundra]

actually cool af

[vestal wren]

so i guess sigila/hateful/decenter

[subtle tundra]

giving us choices

[vestal wren]

varas

[zinc frost]

I’m surprised to see it now, but it was decent when 9.1 sin was fairly crit heavy with frost set

[subtle tundra]

fuu

[vast loom]

wait why 285? is that season4/ptr ilvl?

[vestal wren]

did you look at the trinket combo sims in the sheet?

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[tired falcon]

I don’t think

I saw anybody using decanter at least in st

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x4x11PZzREbjKr8vbwNVfh

[tired falcon]

And there’s no frost shard so idk why it’s high now

[subtle tundra]

yea what about it

[vestal wren]

giving us choice.
current sims:

i was suprised when i added the sims that there are so many strong combos

[hollow river]

I love this. Best 2 fights in the game

[subtle tundra]

yea but can i reliably acquire them

supposedly we will be able to buy whichever we want

supposedly

[vestal wren]

i hope

season 4 information is a bit lacking currently sadly

[subtle tundra]

im just confused about something

will season 4 be 9.2.5 or 9.3

[tired falcon]

9.2.5

[subtle tundra]

zamn

[tired falcon]

Wait now I’m confused

Does 9.3 exist

[azure bronze]

nah

9.2.5 is supposed to last for 6-8 months

[tired falcon]

Lol why isn’t it just 9.3 then

[azure bronze]

until Dragonflight comes out

Because no new raid

It's just the cross faction stuff, the affixed raids and the increase in Ilvl

and of course season 4

[subtle tundra]

i dont think so

i think 9.2.0 will be long and then 9.2.5 like 4 months

[vestal wren]

also not sure

9.2.5 was suppsoed to be "very soon"

[subtle tundra]

cause one is main raid and the other is for fun season.

[vestal wren]

and was supposed to introduce cross fraction play

[tired falcon]

I mean

[vestal wren]

so if 9.2.5 is season 4, the definition of "very close" or "soon" from blizz is a bit off

[tired falcon]

So many guilds haven’t gotten ce vs older tiers

So yeah I think it’ll be longer

[subtle tundra]

and considering how long it takes guilds to clear sofo, it wouldnt make sense

^ yea that

[tired falcon]

This is a rather long tier

[zinc frost]

Yeah feels like we are a bit off getting 9.2.5

[vestal wren]

season 3 will be 6-8 months

in total

[subtle tundra]

3rd raid month starts soon and hof hasnt ended

[vestal wren]

the current raid is also fairly high tuned

hof alliance is a joke to look at

[zinc frost]

We still have a few more 1% percent outlaw buffs to go before 9.2.5

[tired falcon]

wish they remove alliance and horde hof and just make a total hof in 9.2.5

[vestal wren]

but if we do some season 4 hype sims

lets do one with our fav. item

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[vestal wren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9yDkiQ9PrJeHxchNQ2PFKL

[limber lion]

:)

[subtle tundra]

i dont want to see the sub version of that

[vestal wren]

will run in a sec

[subtle tundra]

NOOOOOO

just make it so the conduit doesnt workkkkkkkk

[fleet anchor]

I would expect this tbh

[azure bronze]

from a Morgan Day interview

[fleet anchor]

Fusion Amp is definitely overbudget

[vestal wren]

ye very expected

its interessting that fusion is not bis on sub tho

[limber lion]

Hateful Chain and Phial were simming pretty equal back in 9.0.5 as well, and Phial has received nerfs since then

[fleet anchor]

And Hateful Chain was always overbudget as well because I think they overestimated how often the heal would trigger

Realistically it's basically never lol

[limber lion]

Here's a funny example

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zNmBvkYabQqHKJ6p#fight=1&type=healing&source=16&translate=true

An Outlaw kill of Mythic Sire with Hateful chain

and the heal healed for a total for 20k

very pog

[fleet anchor]

Going from double on use to double passive 🙏

Maybe this tier will be good after all

[subtle tundra]

but it still did only 2.8% of his dmg while phial did 3.8%

[fleet anchor]

Phial was op af back then though 😄

[subtle tundra]

word

[limber lion]

Yeah Phial was pretty busted

Been nerfed twice since then I think

Or at least once coming into 9.2

[vestal wren]

i mean phial is 285 in the sim too

so its a "fair" comparison

[subtle tundra]

🤨 my balls are fair too

i have 278

close enough ig

[vestal wren]

i feel like everyone has a 278 phial this tier

[fleet anchor]

They raised the drop rate as soon as they nerfed it I'm sure 😄

(I know they didn't, but it figures this would be the one tier I got it in the GV)

[subtle tundra]

i had last tier too if it makes you feel better

252 ofc

[vestal wren]

first vault phial of the xpac for me

[fleet anchor]

My trinket of choice is Shadowgrasp Totem

I've gotten that in the GV every season

[subtle tundra]

ok.. mine was choosing between phial and eon

i gimped myself to get it

[fleet anchor]

oof

[limber lion]

I've never had a vault phial :)

or ever seen it

on any of my characters

[subtle tundra]

looks like

you should cry about it!

maybe get lucky bucko

[vestal wren]

just proc more

oh wait, wrong chat, thats #subtlety

[ebon notch]

"why arent you doing as much as sub???"

"check shadowblades uptime"

70%

[strange python]

Can we not talk about season 4 already

[fleet anchor]

S4 gonna come out before I kill Jailer at this rate

[subtle tundra]

buddy atleast you dont degen raid like we do this week

we raided monday tuesday wednesday thursday, break today and tomorrow and then raid sunday monday tuesday

[fleet anchor]

That's rough

I scaled down to 2 night quite a long time ago

[subtle tundra]

hopefully we kill jailer this week, otherwise cutting that foreskin

[strange python]

They're forcing s4 on us so quickly I hate it

And I really really hope this raid affix bullshit doesn't cefch on

Catch

[subtle tundra]

i've always wanted for fun seasons

why have 9 months long seasons when you can make 5+4 or whatever

[azure bronze]

nah, I think season 4 is still like 1-2 months away

HoF isn't even filled yet

[subtle tundra]

2 months at least

imagine in 1 month, raid ends with 200 jailer kills

[strange python]

That's still WAY too soon

This is the longest lasting raid tier in ages. With a mount.

[azure bronze]

yeah maybe 2-3 months

so summer release somewhere

[strange python]

That's heinous I hate it

[azure bronze]

before WoTLK is supposed to release

[strange python]

Should be an august release at the literal earliest.

Would make this the least-CEd main raid maybe ever

[normal mist]

Whats ASSA apm +/-?

[limber lion]

More than 1, less than 200

[odd heath]

I wonder if S4 will stop the CE achievements for sepulcher, and if the title for 0.1% m+ will be given then, or only at the end of 9.2.5 lol

[normal mist]

Im serious CEV :C

[limber lion]

What use of it is the information to you?

[normal mist]

Im debating

with a friend

[vestal wren]

sin is around 50-55 apm iirc

[limber lion]

It's around 55

Compared to Sub which is 65-68

[normal mist]

Thank you a lot

[normal mist]

Me and my tank are debating why people do poor dmg on my guild

[vestal wren]

nf is at ~50

[zinc frost]

I had no idea prot warr was that high

[normal mist]

and was wondering if this is normal:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TzGK4LCgk6JpDXVn#fight=1&type=casts

[vestal wren]

wcl cpm count diffrently too

[normal mist]

CPM =/= APM?

[limber lion]

No

[normal mist]

okay

[limber lion]

Just look at your own cast breakdown

The ability you cast the second most

is Nimble Steps

Do you even know what that is

[normal mist]

yesu

soulbind

slow

right?

[limber lion]

Yes sir

And it's not something you cast yourself

But apparently it's doing 11.3 CPM for you

[normal mist]

So seeing CPM isnt as good as watching APM? or is there even a way to just check APM and not CPM?

confusing question maybe

[limber lion]

But yeah, you shouldn't really be looking at APM/CPM when trying to figure out if someone is doing damage or not

No, neither are good

APM is not a good metric and neither is CPM

you shouldn't look at either of them

And Anduin is a fight that's heavily reliant on maximizing damage during the intermission

If you don't pad your heart out during intermission, you will do a lot less damage than most

That's why you shouldn't use Anduin as a reference point - ever

If you want to compare damage, look at Skolex or Halondrus

[normal mist]

Aight, thx cev!

[zinc frost]

I’m curious as to why they kept Anduin on all stars and removed KT last tier

[limber lion]

They tend to do the all stars removals a bit later on

but sometimes they're just lazy and don't care enough

you alright there mate

[iron orchid]

y know

[limber lion]

hey now, no need to delete it

[iron orchid]

i'm alright yeah

French keyboard have a special disposition

i play games with a qwerty keyboard setup

[limber lion]

Do you look at your keyboard when you type?

[iron orchid]

and then mess up when i want to type

well, i'm used to typing in french

and i just press alt+shift to type in qwerty

so when i hit the same usual 'a' key

[limber lion]

No as in, do you not look at your screen when you type?

[iron orchid]

i type q

[limber lion]

I never look at my keyboard

Eyes are glued to the screen

[iron orchid]

i'm a bit of a noob when it comes to typing xD

[limber lion]

So something like that would pop up quite easily

Ah fair enough :P

[iron orchid]

what i meant was, warcraftlogs often removes bosses from all stars if the strat you use to output the most damage goes against the way the fight is intended to play

[hollow river]

Purple+purple=kaboom

[iron orchid]

which is not the case for anduin

[strange python]

Anduin padding not functionally different than sun king salv

[limber lion]

Well technically there's a lot of padding and log-flex potential on Anduin

Just have no one hit the adds, you just solo them

Or start intermission at 90% energy so the adds live for a longer time

Or literally your entire team goes full single target on Remnant while you AoE

[vast loom]

its pretty funny when you look at like shadow priests with like 300 cpm because of shades

[limber lion]

So you skip p2 and i2 entirely, but you still were given the chance to pad for the entire i1

[iron orchid]

I actually don't know much about anduin in MM tho

[strange python]

I guess it's more similar to soulrender than sun king

[limber lion]

Yeah mythic Anduin is a bit of a different story

[fleet anchor]

Anduin should logically be 110% removed from all-stars or at least have the damage amp reversed out

[strange python]

Regardless. I wouldn't be shocked to see anduin lose all star

[iron orchid]

2nd option i'd agree

[fleet anchor]

It basically meets every possible criteria for all-star removal that WCL has ever had

But for some reason they don't seem to care

[strange python]

Unless this tier terminates faster than texas' standards

[vestal wren]

it might be a key fight of the raid

[iron orchid]

I've felt weird regarding this fight too

[vestal wren]

so they hessitate

[fleet anchor]

The fight has a massive damage amp, massive parse funnel pad potential (just let one person AoE), arbitrary breakpoints in Heroic since the final add phase can be skipped, and huge class disparity

It's far worse than things like Hivemind

And the damage amp is more impactful than Psychus or Carapace

Or Huntsman

Yet for some reason they've done literally nothing with it at all

[vestal wren]

time to create honestlogs.com

[fleet anchor]

Fight that everyone even on PTR was like "this will be removed from all-stars" lol

[vestal wren]

without externals, without bullshitfights

[strange python]

I mean they didn't remove soulrender.

[iron orchid]

I mean, when comparing to KT, I see the difference. On KT you could purposefully choose to not hit boss to generate more adds, which would increase you damage

[fleet anchor]

I mean the damage amp on Soulrender should have been reversed out for sure too

Just the last few months WCL devs seem to give zero shits about these types of things

[iron orchid]

I haven't looked at the WCL discord for a while...

[vestal wren]

koji did talk to them after we talked about the wowhead meme article

[strange python]

Who's gonna talk to the devs to get them to slow the fuck down on season 4

[fleet anchor]

I mean realistically the same is mostly true in terms of padding with Anduin though. If you just let one person more or less solo or duo AoE the entire phase the damage would be insanely higher than the average parse.

That's how you get parses like this

[limber lion]

don't worry, season 4 won't come out until alliance hof closes

and that'll take another 6 months

[fleet anchor]

And this isn't even as bad as it could be lol

Totally irrelevant all-star boss imo

DPS number on this fight means almost completely nothing

Other than being allowed to pad

[strange python]

I just want my mount and some sales and then parses to find a new guild

And we start sales week 3 of farm, so we'll need 18 kills before I get mount

[iron orchid]

That's true, very cheesy, but still not against the flow of the fight, no matter who kills the adds, you'll get them down, and they'll be gone, you cannot "create" damage target along the fight by not proceeding to play the fight how it is intended to

[gray horizon]

doubt my guild will even get to sales RIP

[iron orchid]

for now at least

[gray horizon]

we can't do the crab

[iron orchid]

but i still think that they should act

[fleet anchor]

Nah they are rolling out cross-faction play they don't care anymore 😄

[iron orchid]

true

[fleet anchor]

And tbf KT wasn't really able to be done that way long-term

Due to the fight mechanic changes

Was only really the first version of the fight that could be infinitely padded

Was still massively cheezy for parsing though because anyone who went downstairs would never parse

[iron orchid]

i can't remember much of this patch because i left mid-way

but yeah, probably

[iron orchid]

yup

which would be comparable to anduin

[strange python]

I cling on to my rank 1 kyrian downstairs sub parse

Which is a lot of caveats to add

[fleet anchor]

haha

[strange python]

It wasn't even a 95

[glass tulip]

lulw

Kyrian, downstairs, sub

Something went wrong there big guy

[cloud yew]

iqd?

[vast loom]

i assumed someone said somehting about IQD and you were asking what it was, but now i have no idea what you need lol

[zinc frost]

That is indeed an IQD

[drifting cosmos]

What are the 3 raid items do we want in season 4

[subtle tundra]

eon eon

and something

[gusty mirage]

edge of night, probably salvaged amp, and dreadfire prolly

[drifting cosmos]

Double on use?

[gusty mirage]

I mean we use double on use now

[thorn lynx]

You do?

[drifting cosmos]

Wait, what do we use now?

[thorn lynx]

I use Sigil and Phial.

[gusty mirage]

if I got a max ilvl iqd

I'd use it with my 278 cache

[drifting cosmos]

What about in keys

What do you use

[gusty mirage]

cache and phial

my only 2 278 trinkets lol

[drifting cosmos]

What proc cache for sin?

[gusty mirage]

axe, always

sword is okay

but axe > all

[drifting cosmos]

I mean what skills crits apply the dot

[thorn lynx]

I use 278 Phial and 278 Sigil for raid. Phial and either earthbreakers or sigil for M+, depending on dungeon. I still don't have a cache yet lol

[limber lion]

FoK, CT initial hit, Mutilate and Envenom

That's about it

[drifting cosmos]

Thank you kind people

That's very decent

[limber lion]

It's really not

compared to Sub

[drifting cosmos]

For dh only eyebeam procs it

[limber lion]

Yeah DH is scuffed

[drifting cosmos]

So I am quite happy with sin

[limber lion]

Well, Annihilation also procs it

[drifting cosmos]

In aoe

[limber lion]

yeah

blade dance doesn't

it counts as a dot unfortunately lmao

[thorn lynx]

really?

That is quite annoying

[limber lion]

Yes, Blade Dance is coded as a dot

so it won't proc Axe

lmao

[thorn lynx]

Damn. I guess they just expect all the dmg to be sinful brand lol

[obtuse robin]

eon scaling seems nuts u guys think sin will actually want it

[subtle tundra]

tbh, if tier set goes away assa will be way behind sub

[vestal wren]

sin wants it too

but sub benefits way more from it

tier set stays to my knowlage

[obtuse robin]

i really hope catalyst works with fated and that dom shards dont work

would simming stuff at 311 work right now or would raidbots need a update

[vestal wren]

should work

[obtuse robin]

oh dam a 285 eon is alot more dps then rygy daggy

[vestal wren]

i did sim 285 earlier, just need to scroll up a bit

#assassination message

it is funny that i did sim sylvanas/trinkets for fun

[drifting cosmos]

Think someone already said Dom set won't work, which is expected

[vestal wren]

and later the same day scari does drop the post

[obtuse robin]

yea i see it

[fallen fable]

Guys our nature dmg buffs work with phial trinket?

[limber lion]

No

[balmy condor]

damn fuck

more proof that nothing I write matters

[limber lion]

das crazy man

[timid cloud]

Crazy.

[carmine dawn]

[hybrid vale]

Yeah but honestly it wasn’t clear enough

It needed more elaboration

[limber lion]

oh no

[hybrid vale]

The average American male doesn’t take no for answer

They need more

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-pikiblanket-gif-24553598

[hybrid vale]

You’re gonna have to do this all again for dragon flight beta

Are you ready

Or alpha probably get that inv

[balmy condor]

I didn’t get either for 9.0

[ebon notch]

dont worry, cev already told me i was doing the 10.0 sims

ill take the stress off your hands

[balmy condor]

Bet

[ebon notch]

ok how do i sim things again

warcraftbots.net?

and i copy paste the items from my bags right

[bleak sky]

yes

[loud light]

send them a bunch of askmrrobot sims, they'll never ask you again

[steady dome]

Hi was wondering if the rotation of Sin was easier than that of Sub? Thanks a lot

[gusty mirage]

mrrobot

[pale plank]

i feel like it is, and wtf you stole me name

[pale fossil]

I hop into the Sin channel for ONE SECOND

[steady dome]

lol had it for a while lol

[balmy condor]

It’s a lifestyle

[pale fossil]

Whispyr I got in trouble for off-topic posting in Monkcord

[balmy condor]

They’re a bunch of white collar rootin tootin pencil pushers anyway

[upbeat needle]

true

we are the best leather class

best class discord

best mogs

and best TC's

If you not rogue you not shit

[pale fossil]

They have a channel called “craft brews” and got mad that I posted a local beer I was drinking

[upbeat needle]

shoulda changed they channel name imo

I'ma go post some beer in there too

[balmy condor]

IPA ANDY GTFO

The only beer I’m drinking comes in a can

[oak sky]

poor andy

now try to pass the don't bring up age challenge

[pale fossil]

I WAS DRINKING AN IMPERIAL STOUT HOW DARE YOU

[balmy condor]

bruh even worse you’re just drinking dirt water

Almost as bitter as my ex gf

[pale fossil]

Alright we’re throwing hands. That nectar was flavored with coffee, cinnamon, and vanilla and tasted amazing.

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

madge enabled when?

[balmy condor]

Never

Suffer

[oak sky]

sadge enabled when

[balmy condor]

No nitro in 2022 L

[oak sky]

:sadge:

[pale fossil]

[oak sky]

spending money in 2022 + L + ratio + you cant afford a house

[balmy condor]

Bruh we live in the same state you can’t afford a house either why you trying to come at me like that

[oak sky]

i bet the zoomer version of cant afford a house because you buy too much starbucks is gonna be subscribing to too many services

[balmy condor]

Yeah true, I can’t afford a house cause I’m too busy subbing to @echo geyser

[oak sky]

on god

[echo geyser]

love u whispyr

[balmy condor]

I don’t but that’s okay, I go to therapy for that

[oak sky]

i subscribe to nothing (except wow and spotify) i am sigma and will be able to afford a house

maybe if i moved to tejas i could get a studio apartment

[pale fossil]

I just bought a house and am already terrified by the prospect of my mortgage.

[balmy condor]

I love danny tejas, my favorite actor

[oak sky]

i have at least 2 years before i have to worry about finding somewhere to live

not excited

[pale fossil]

Wtf is that emote hahaha

[balmy condor]

I'm moving out with my gf after we graduate college

so like

maybe 8 more years

[oak sky]

why so long bro

[balmy condor]

she's gotta go to med school

[oak sky]

oh

yeah

are you graduating this year or smth

[balmy condor]

and my graduate in 4 plan got cucked to a graduate in 6 plan and then 2 years of covid hit

[bleak sky]

damn she gonna be mad rich

[balmy condor]

so now I'm like a graduate in 9 plan

[oak sky]

im still on a graduate in 4 type track

2 more years of that

then i dont know

[balmy condor]

deadass you might graduate before I do

[oak sky]

and im 2-3 years younger

[pale fossil]

Y’all are making me feel old af

[bleak sky]

whispyr hit the jackpot

got himself a mommy med school gf so he can be a stay at home rogue writer

[balmy condor]

yep

[bleak sky]

big W

[balmy condor]

she asking me about marriage bro

[pale fossil]

Man my wife’s a lawyer but she won’t let me quit my job and play WoW all day

[balmy condor]

[pale fossil]

[bleak sky]

you're basically married already

just say yes

[oak sky]

does seem like that might be a step at some point

[balmy condor]

it's not like our 7 year anniversary is coming up or anything

that would be totally weird

[oak sky]

not at all

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

what if you just get married

[oak sky]

jkjk

[balmy condor]

unless

[oak sky]

unless....?

😳

make sure you dont invite oxi giving you away will give him physical pain

[balmy condor]

the thing is, her dad doesn't like me, but then she tells me shit like "I was talking to my dad about you and he just casually goes 'yeah if you get pregnant tomorrow I wouldn't be mad that sounds nice'"

and I'm like okay but he says I'm a dumb bitch

getting mixed signals here

[oak sky]

he probably knows hes stuck with you already bro

[balmy condor]

yeah I think so

W

but also L

her parents are fucking batshit

[oak sky]

6 years definitely seems like a small hint

[bleak sky]

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATshit

[oak sky]

BatShit

💩

[bleak sky]

[oak sky]

bro i hope when i have a gf her parents arent crazy

sounds

[pale fossil]

My wife’s parents are awesome. A bit crazy but in a fun way.

[balmy condor]

My gf's parents are not awesome. A bit crazy but in a not fun way. Like a gf sitting next to me sends a text message if we can flip her car, that she bought, upside down to look for a listening device that she thinks her dad planted to record our conversations

[bleak sky]

[pale fossil]

Excuse me??

[oak sky]

thats incredibly crazy

[balmy condor]

we're just driving to go get lunch, she'll all quiet, I try to small talk, and she's like "shut up I don't want to talk to you"

and I'm like sheesh damn okay did I forget a birthday or something

we get to the lunch place, I'm like "did I say something or....."

and she pulls out her phone and texts me "I think the car is bugged nothing's wrong can you help me look"

and we spent 30 minutes in a denny's parking lot flipping her car inside out

good times

[pale fossil]

What in the goddamn fuck

[oak sky]

i guess you guys both go to school near where ur from??

also that sounds super fucked

[balmy condor]

we went to the same school

[oak sky]

ye i mean college

[balmy condor]

oh yeah

I go to san jose state, she goes to san fran state

[oak sky]

nice

[balmy condor]

close enough

[oak sky]

i have family in san jose

none of them go to sj state or went there tho

[balmy condor]

nice I'm glad I asked

[oak sky]

making conversation is cringe