assassination

[bleak sky]

You gonna play poe?

[carmine dawn]

Never tried

Ironically, for being super into FF10 sphere grid

[ebon notch]

Idk I never enjoyed it personally

[bleak sky]

[hollow escarp]

graphics 💩 gameplay 💩 dopamine

[subtle tundra]

its this week or no hof

[limber lion]

very true

[subtle tundra]

we have today and 2 more raid nights

we have to play really well to get it

[hollow escarp]

wait, 100 guilds killed it?

[craggy oak]

nice one

[subtle tundra]

its like 76

it will fill this week most l;ikely

[oak sky]

Alliance in 2024

Cross realm sepulcher in dragonflight

[hollow escarp]

no hate

we get it in july

[oak sky]

That seems late

Mmm

[bleak sky]

What you hating on alliance for huh agreon

[oak sky]

I mean i should be ce around week 15

[bleak sky]

Gotta kill crab first

[oak sky]

Crab is today

Cant possibly fuck it up

[bleak sky]

[oak sky]

(Clueless)

[hollow escarp]

mfers lower rank than top 100 alliance and hating on alliance

[oak sky]

Bro i just want xrealm

Stop being bad

My mage needs to ge them early bosses sometime

[hollow escarp]

I need to kill him on Normal first

[bleak sky]

Nah

Just get CE

[hollow escarp]

gonna get 5 achievements when I get CE

[ebon notch]

@hollow escarp come EUC

[hollow escarp]

[ebon notch]

is that EUC or EUW

[hollow escarp]

W

[ebon notch]

ew

[hollow escarp]

I think I'm 1083 something on C

[ebon notch]

me and my friend gonna do t2 abyssals

the 8 mans

if you wanna join us

[hollow escarp]

reset tomorrow

[ebon notch]

ye

[hollow escarp]

need to do on main as well

[ebon notch]

thats why we blast

we both hit 1100 on those characters so we wanna do it

[subtle tundra]

fuck away

from #assassination

with your shitter games

😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠 😠

[ebon notch]

jailer prison

[bleak sky]

Go wipe a little more varas

[subtle tundra]

[ebon notch]

[subtle tundra]

i hide the pain away by attacking others

[ebon notch]

its ok

we are here for u

[subtle tundra]

the jailer parries ct in opener

[ebon notch]

go next

[hollow escarp]

just start the fight behind jailer

on azeroth

[oak sky]

No sylvanas means ive only lost 1 flag to parry so far this tier

Long may it last

[shadow bluff]

Hi how much of a DPS increase is PI for a Vent Sin Rogue

[ebon notch]

1-1.1k

[shadow bluff]

I'm too stupid to figure out how to sim it hehexd

[balmy condor]

pinned in #wow-general

[hybrid vale]

Is the TLDR: less than a warlock 😦

[balmy condor]

@limber lion @gusty mirage @spice spire some new bot goodies I updated

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Haste > Mastery > Vers
Note: Mastery is better in AoE situations, but generally all stats are very close.

[balmy condor]

!prepull

[prisma monolith]

Assassination currently does not have any viable prepulls or weapon swaps. Due to the value of vanish, Deathly Shadows is not worth using for the combo points. Sylvanas daggers are much weaker than on subtlety, and therefore also makes weapon swapping not desireable. The best we can do is use Marked for Death about 25 seconds before a pull. This is a very minor gain.

[balmy condor]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used with non-venthyr builds using subterfuge
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3) and it's interaction with Flagellation.
You also have to consider the additional poison application chances. Ambush is not considerably worse or better in any situation, so you aren't losing out on much if you don't use it.

[glass tulip]

ziggly are you eu

[hybrid vale]

Nah I’m on area 52

[spice spire]

Ty papi

Noted

[hybrid vale]

What’s up

[hollow escarp]

is that on space?

[subtle tundra]

nah, there's circles at the start of the fight and my positioning is under the boss

and he can still parry

[hybrid vale]

Basically

[subtle tundra]

cause his mother

[glass tulip]

just trying to logwatch

[subtle tundra]

is a fucking

street whore

[limber lion]

@balmy condor good stuff babe, ty

[spice spire]

Banned

[hybrid vale]

You want my logs or someone with my discord name is acting a fool in game

[glass tulip]

quake you're already in my folder

[limber lion]

stats could be "ilvl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else. sim yourself, idiot" but I guess that'll do

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

Not the folder again

[glass tulip]

was time for my weekly checkup

[ebon notch]

thats when you see someone with sub stats but 280 equipped

complaining that their globals feel slow with 1% haste

[hybrid vale]

You collect all our logs and use it against us 😮

[glass tulip]

no not against you

[hybrid vale]

To help us

[hollow escarp]

took me 40 minutes to convince a friend secondaries don't matter as much because he sims every upgrade with all enchants/gems selected

[glass tulip]

just to check in on the homies

[ebon notch]

@glass tulip log review??

[balmy condor]

I updated wowhead's stat plot while I was at it with the venth profile and just

[glass tulip]

my mythic is private

[hybrid vale]

I’m not raiding on my rogue, just palafin

[balmy condor]

400 stat difference

and it's just nothing

[bleak sky]

Negative mastery is good

[hybrid vale]

Put me in the “ ignore disabled kid” part of the folder

[hollow escarp]

"but why does the sim tell me to go haste on left ring and crit on right ring"

[ionic sphinx]

means I can gem and enchant for sub and arena

[subtle tundra]

c asueyoubad

[balmy condor]

there's a breakpoint when you hit 0 of a stat

[limber lion]

I'm guessing the profile has less than 400 mastery/vers because they just stop going down

oh yeah

[subtle tundra]

where's mainstat here

[limber lion]

I was too slow

[bleak sky]

Infinite stats = mastery scaling

[carmine dawn]

Stack mastery? Got it

[limber lion]

also 400 stats? Is that a custom plot that you did, aren't they normally +-300

[balmy condor]

yes

[limber lion]

poggiewoggie

[balmy condor]

there's not really a "standard" I think but the example in the wiki is 20 steps of 30

which is +-300

[serene shell]

!resources

[hollow escarp]

but how do you do damage with negative stats?

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

fair fair

[hollow escarp]

under what section do you see that? or do you have to sim stat weights and then html report?

[vestal wren]

it is in the report if you do a plot

[hollow escarp]

ok, I was checking the simcraft lings

[balmy condor]

yeah you gotta do a plot

it's not any default sim type

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor what do these funny lines mean

which stat am i stacking

[carmine dawn]

Mastery

Start now

See you in TOP

[ebon notch]

[bleak sky]

Oshosi was right

[oak sky]

monkaShake

[ebon notch]

wher is he hnow

[oak sky]

Classic or smth

[hollow escarp]

now he is in TBC prison

the mad lad played bell on SLG

[oak sky]

His ct mustve trucked

Did he play theo too

[balmy condor]

stat good and stat bad when you get more or less of stat compared to the stat that you have if you had the stat that the line says you got

[hollow escarp]

pretty sure assa was necro at that point

[limber lion]

Venth

[oak sky]

Oh

Hey listen i was venth the whole time alright

[bleak sky]

Kyrian for the Pelagos orbs

[oak sky]

Aotc pigger

Pugger

[bleak sky]

[balmy condor]

careful

[bleak sky]

Almost went straight to prison

[oak sky]

[ebon notch]

line good stat bad got it

[limber lion]

[hollow escarp]

was Agreon the bigger guy?

[oak sky]

Phone keyboard fat fingers a lot

[gusty adder]

the saddest of keks

[hollow escarp]

cloak

[gusty adder]

used like 10 sec earlier, cause i moved into retch to dodge pools in a scechy area, didnt get hit, wasted cloak and got hit

😢

[spice spire]

No lol

[oak sky]

What does that mean

🤨

[alpine latch]

!bos

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[hollow river]

Very small

Is how I imagine him

[oak sky]

Im tall

Not gigatall

But tall

[hollow river]

But you are Sokka

[bleak sky]

tall (5'6)

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

Short king (5'11")

[hollow river]

<—(6’1”)

[gusty mirage]

this is ignorant

stop stealing our title

stank ass

[oak sky]

You dont understand

[marsh wagon]

hello, have they fixed the 2-set for assa yet?

[oak sky]

Anyone under 6 ft is a short king

[hollow river]

Ya read the pins

[marsh wagon]

cheers, sorry missed it

[bleak sky]

read the pins (there are no pins regarding the bug)

[gusty mirage]

that's long gone homie

[limber lion]

Lmao

Right back at ya

[oak sky]

Yeah so the poison bug must be fixed its not in the pins surely

[gusty mirage]

[marsh wagon]

yeah I remember it was a warning and it dissapeared so i assumed that meant it was fixed, just wanted to make sure ^^'

[limber lion]

Yes sir

[ebon notch]

@limber lion are you a fornite pro yet

[gusty mirage]

don't apologize for asking a question

[limber lion]

No I suck dick

[ebon notch]

whats that got to do with fortnite

[limber lion]

figuratively

[ebon notch]

GOTTEM

[gusty mirage]

ur mom

[bleak sky]

you're so fast daps

[ebon notch]

my gf says the same thing

[bleak sky]

it's about efficiency you know

[ebon notch]

do you know how many more keys i had time for

[subtle tundra]

wanna change that

[limber lion]

inte

[subtle tundra]

me, when i get 23 flag stacks in opener with bl

wtf

[vast loom]

does getting parried on a spender give us flag stacks

[subtle tundra]

no

[vast loom]

sadge

[ebon notch]

what happen

also stream?

[ebon notch]

nice

[oak sky]

Varras

[hollow river]

Oh

[hollow river]

Nono, I’m sorry bud I didn’t realize it was removed

[timid cloud]

||Shiv bug fixed?|| (For legal purposes this is a joke.)

[ebon notch]

garo benched?

if you look at previous pulls on details you can see how long each pull was if thats what you meant by timer

[trim cairn]

Just got home from work to see how fucking disgusting the affixes are this week lol

Destro warlocks in shambles

[ebon notch]

FLAG PARRIED

[timid cloud]

Go next pull die to a mechanic

Fuck, I just slipped!

[vestal wren]

try !stream varras in #bot-spam

[subtle tundra]

fuck

[ebon notch]

how are bombs still hitting the raid

[subtle tundra]

who could've been

i wonder

[bleak sky]

couldn't possibly be varas

[ebon notch]

soon theyre gonna start checking just for flag parries

theyll insta know what happened

[subtle tundra]

it was first time it happened

[timid cloud]

What boss are you on? I’m in bed.

[ebon notch]

jailer

[serene shell]

so dustwalkers or zoldyck for pantheon? does it even matter?

[hazy moth]

!cache

[prisma monolith]

Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand

[limber lion]

Dusk is overall the better choice, but Zoldyck can be useful for p3 prog

[serene shell]

and necro regardless?

[kindred rapids]

There's a chance that your guild may have problems meeting P1 and P2 dps checks to skip second adds / hand in which case dusk is the clear choice

The P3 damage requirements are trivial now

[bleak sky]

yes

[subtle tundra]

any way of not getting mc'd

like vanish or something

on jialer

[kindred rapids]

just get lucky 🙂

[trim cairn]

@subtle tundra topping meters I see

Classic Assa rogue

[subtle tundra]

this is retail, sir

[trim cairn]

Now you leverage ur domination of dps meters into permanent PI target

[bleak sky]

just be a shaman

[ebon notch]

wdym

[bleak sky]

they can break their own mc

tremor totem iirc

but only works on them for some reason

[oak sky]

So just be rsham

[bleak sky]

or enhance

or ele

yknow, shaman

[oak sky]

I thought only rsham had it tbh

[subtle tundra]

all shammers do

[oak sky]

Maybe i never keybound it when i leveled shaman

[bleak sky]

good utility

[oak sky]

Probably thought it was useless

[bleak sky]

shaman bis in mists

[oak sky]

Yes

[hollow river]

Umm

You sure about that?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[hollow river]

Because all that did for our shaman was keep him from getting CC’d by us after he was MC’d

[subtle tundra]

they break their own mc

[hollow river]

Didn’t work for us

[oak sky]

Doesnt even work on stuns

Just charm fear sleep

[subtle tundra]

but it does work!

the shamans are literally doing it

you gotta time it well i think

[oak sky]

Jailer thing is a charm prob

[hollow river]

Mm maybe it has to be timed correctly

[bleak sky]

yes

[hollow river]

Why does that matter

[bleak sky]

tell them to git gud

[hollow river]

LoL

[oak sky]

Because you said it made them not able to be stunned

Cced

Whatever

Most ccs are stuns

So

[hollow river]

I never said stunned

[oak sky]

Your statement seems super irrelevant

Yeah you didnt say stun but stuns and ursols are the easy way to keep them still

[hollow river]

What are you even on about

[oak sky]

.

[hollow river]

How is that irrelevant

[oak sky]

What cc is that even stopping

Priest fear?

Like

[hollow river]

I mean it was literally an issue that had to be brought to their attention so they wouldn’t just die

[oak sky]

It just seems like theres a million ways to stop them from getting off the edge besides fearing

And it would actually never matter

[hollow river]

Stuns and cc DR

[oak sky]

And fears break insta

[hollow river]

I’m simply speaking from my experience and what was brought up

Like what is the issue

[oak sky]

All I said is stuns exist so it doesnt make sense that your raid team wouldnt be able to cc them

But obviously you didnt mean cc as all inclusive

Or you wouldnt keep arguing

[hollow river]

???

Please go read man I haven’t been arguing

Kinda being an ass rn ngl

[timid cloud]

Cloak

[oak sky]

Yes, I am being an ass, end of conversation

[limber lion]

nope

he's talking about p2 mindcontrols

[cinder grove]

is zoldyck or duskwalker on pantheon mythic ?

[limber lion]

not the los one

[timid cloud]

I thought you could pre-cloak it.

My mistake then.

[limber lion]

You can pre-cloak the los

but not the runes

[timid cloud]

[limber lion]

Duskwalkers

[cinder grove]

ah okay ty

[opaque anvil]

okay so.. souldbind for sin.. is it better to play necro for M+?

also, for souldbinds, why is Heimir better than plague?

[timid cloud]

Because huge critty window.

Plague is more boss dam, but you can get away with both tbh.

I love myself a 45s Kevin.

[subtle tundra]

spiteful is kevin 100% of the time

i finished a pf with 12 min of kevin left.

i had 100% uptime

[limber lion]

Necro and Venth are both good, they do different things

[opaque anvil]

i know necro is for cleave and aoe and venth for st?

[limber lion]

Marileth is great, but has some issues with Kevin randomly pulling mobs

[opaque anvil]

basically

[limber lion]

Something like that yeah

[timid cloud]

That’s because he’s a thick slime.

I did some Sin 22’s last night…I felt like my Zold was leaving a lot to be desired.

[lucid birch]

!eatmyass

[timid cloud]

I think I should’ve gone Dusk NL.

PARDON

[lucid birch]

@balmy condor ?

[balmy condor]

?

[lucid birch]

weird nvm

[balmy condor]

maybe delayed message

give it a second

[timid cloud]

[prisma monolith]

@lucid birch, you are hereby bonked into the ground like a telephone pole. Please hold these live electric wires and await your penance heathen.

[balmy condor]

oh

there it is

[opaque anvil]

is venthyr no good for aoe at all?

[lucid birch]

[balmy condor]

it's fine, the issue is assassination is no good for aoe at all more than venthyr specifically

[opaque anvil]

oh okay cool

[timid cloud]

Wdym, you’re telling me my AOE finisher is…DOGSHIT?

[balmy condor]

your only AoE ability, that you have to talent into, isn't great?

weird

[limber lion]

😲

das crazy man

[ebon notch]

wdym

fok is huge

[timid cloud]

Hey now, that’s MY meaningful choice.

[balmy condor]

I stole it while you weren't looking

[vestal wren]

at least its not secret 😉

[balmy condor]

it's my meaningful choice now

[timid cloud]

[balmy condor]

you're right, hidden blades is

[timid cloud]

[vestal wren]

my suggestion for hidden blade was to make it a button to get max stacks

instead of "stacking up"

[timid cloud]

It’s hidden so much that you’ll never see it on the logs.

[oak sky]

My suggestion is to remove it

[timid cloud]

Actual dead talent.

[balmy condor]

[timid cloud]

Hasn’t been taken since like Legion for a week.

Actually that’s not true, I do remember some people taking it during 3 EB sets for Sin m+ in BFA…once every 1,000th key…

[balmy condor]

I think it's weird how tornado sounds more fun on sin than it does on sub

[timid cloud]

Yeah?

I could see it.

[oak sky]

Tornado is a decent enough talent

[balmy condor]

but like the tornado fills your cp

not like

you press tornado

and end up with 4 cp

[timid cloud]

FOK just needs to give proper CP like Shuriken Storm.

[subtle tundra]

you should be able to deterministically get more cp

if thats the correct way of saying it

but not the same as sub

[oak sky]

Same as sub makin me fall asleep

[timid cloud]

I also think CT could totally give a bleed damage amp in AOE so it’s still the same playstyle but like…kinda rewarding, I dunno. I wanna make it good, not busted.

[balmy condor]

fok 2 cp baseline

super easy

[timid cloud]

Would it still have Seal Fate though?

[vestal wren]

i am not a big fan of tornado, but with poisons it makes sense

[timid cloud]

[balmy condor]

yeah of course

[trim cairn]

fok 1cp extra per target hit

on top of seal fate

[balmy condor]

no, that's literally just subt

[trim cairn]

No, it's literally not

[balmy condor]

[trim cairn]

Unless you are casting rupture instead of black powder on aoe

[balmy condor]

1cp extra per target hit is storm

[trim cairn]

And? It's not sub

[balmy condor]

bruh

[trim cairn]

Playstyle is different, usage is different for spenders

[timid cloud]

There’s definitely some stuff that could be fixed to fit our theme, but not make us insanely busted, I just wanna be competitive a bit more. Ya boy just wants all the specs to be on the same level & let it be divided by ability, not just class tuning… my hot take for the day I guess…

[balmy condor]

we're talking about fok

[trim cairn]

Oh wow, pressing FoK 3 times

[balmy condor]

what are you on about

[trim cairn]

You said it's literally subt

What are you on about honestly

[balmy condor]

YES BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FOK VS STORM

bruh

[trim cairn]

Yes

[balmy condor]

fok giving 1cp extra per target hit, is storm

[trim cairn]

And? It's not sublety just cuz you change fok to be storm

Storm is just a better more reliable spell

Who the fuck wants to spam FoK for 1 cp on aoe

[balmy condor]

nice

but also are you high?

[trim cairn]

It's very stupid

I can use FoK with 44% crit on 6 mobs

and get 1 CP

[timid cloud]

[balmy condor]

no one's talking about making sin's entire rotation the same as sub

[oak sky]

Fuu is

[trim cairn]

Ok, so why are you saying that's literally subt when you are talking about storm

[oak sky]

Everytime someone brings this up

[balmy condor]

because subt uses storm

[trim cairn]

And? Because we share a spell it's same spec?

[oak sky]

Sub tlety

[trim cairn]

So sub is just assa cus we both use rupture

[balmy condor]

bro what the fuck are you talking about

[timid cloud]

What the fuck am I missing here?

I feel like we lost a part of the conversation.

[trim cairn]

No, it's just Whispyr being stunlocked by his own argument

[bleak sky]

[timid cloud]

HUH

[balmy condor]

[trim cairn]

I say make FoK give extra cps per target hit

He says

[bleak sky]

nah homie you're taking the L on this one

[balmy condor]

my man is so lost in the sauce holy fuck

[trim cairn]

It's literally Subt

[bleak sky]

this is literally shuriken storm

[trim cairn]

And?

[bleak sky]

and it's a sub ability

?

¿

[timid cloud]

That’s a funny way of putting it, but I don’t think this is the route you are gonna be taking…

[bleak sky]

question mark

[trim cairn]

And?

[balmy condor]

and that's the point, we don't want that

[trim cairn]

What is rupture then?

[timid cloud]

…

[bleak sky]

so true bestie

[storm onyx]

What I understand is, he says its ok if they would generate same, the spenders are different mechanics

[trim cairn]

Yes

Who cares if it's the same spell

[timid cloud]

We’re legit just spitballing how to make us a better spec.

[balmy condor]

yes and no one's agreeing with him and he's shitting on the floor about WHAT ABOUT RUPTURE AND SUB THE SAME SPEC LAJFDKASJFOIPJ

[trim cairn]

Bro

[timid cloud]

I feel like he’s just taking a shit on my bed randomly.

[oak sky]

It changes our whole scheme and makes us just like boring ass sub aoe

[balmy condor]

seal fate is good

[trim cairn]

By making your rotation reliable

[balmy condor]

seal fate should stay

[trim cairn]

And you can keep seal fate

[balmy condor]

?

[trim cairn]

Just make it baseline 1 extra cp per target regardless

And keep seal fate on top

[balmy condor]

that's what I fucking said 10 minutes ago

[trim cairn]

I wasn't here 10 fucking minutes ago

But I've said it for weeks

Make FoK give 1 cp extra per target but give SF on top

[balmy condor]

holy fuck I actually hate talking to you

[timid cloud]

Then…why did you barge in like that guns a blazing in every direction….

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

No you said 2 cp base hes saying make it storm but also use seal fate

[timid cloud]

[oak sky]

Which means only seal fate under 5t

[balmy condor]

HUH? whats the point of both

[oak sky]

Which is literally nothing

[subtle tundra]

but just make it give cp / target

[balmy condor]

if you give it the cp gen of storm seal fate is actually just a dead passive

[bleak sky]

i hope all your flag are parried

[subtle tundra]

wtF????????????????????????????????????

🖕

[bleak sky]

[timid cloud]

I hope you start a pull with your poisons off, Varas.

[trim cairn]

I hope you never get seal fate on your FoKs so you can feel how trash the ability is without CP generation lol

[timid cloud]

I literally do.

[trim cairn]

Idk how you can defend our AoE on a huge pull not being able to even supply 30 stacks of flag

With 44% fucking crit

Sometimes having to spend 3 globals

For 5 CP

It's not fun, it doesn't feel good

It doesn't add anything

[balmy condor]

no one is defending our aoe

[timid cloud]

You can keep garroting technically.

[trim cairn]

AoE ability*

[timid cloud]

As you should be.

[trim cairn]

FoK

[balmy condor]

no one is defending fok

that's what started this whole conversation

[subtle tundra]

i have wa

[trim cairn]

You are defending the ability by not wanting to turn it into an useful ability like Storm tho

[subtle tundra]

there are actual fun ways to make it useful

[bleak sky]

I don't think copy/pasting storm to sin is the way to go

yeah

[subtle tundra]

making it boring, isnt

[timid cloud]

No we’re not, LOL. It can do the same thing but different lot so it’s not the same thing that bores people about Sub.

[trim cairn]

How is it boring to get 5 cp to spend

Compared to a huge juicy pack

[timid cloud]

LITERALLY THE PHRASE “THE SAME BUT DIFFERENT”

[bleak sky]

could do: fok gives +1 cp per target hit affected by bleed; give +1cp baseline; I don't know, something else

[obtuse robin]

why a worser version?

[trim cairn]

In practice that'd be the exact same given CT uptime

[limber lion]

FoK is bad

SS is bad

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

they're both bad

stop it >:(

[bleak sky]

what do you dislike about ss

[hollow river]

Shuriken Storm is poggers

[timid cloud]

Some say, you can change an ability to make it relevant as another comparable ability, without just making it a copy/pasted version.

[balmy condor]

I have a novel idea, what if fok gave us 10 combo points, and mut gave us 10 combo points, and alacrity gave us 500 energy per second, that way we could have consistency

I don't think this is boring

[timid cloud]

LOL

[balmy condor]

because you get max everything all the time in aoe

very fun

[vast loom]

Okay hear me out FOK takes duration away from bleeds and splits it to other mobs

[timid cloud]

“INFINITE ENERGY HAX?!” I can see the YouTuber now…

[limber lion]

Okay hear me out, no

[bleak sky]

what if fok made enemies hit by it bleed faster

[limber lion]

yes

[timid cloud]

[trim cairn]

You talking about sauce here idk you sound like a 5yo making edge cases nobody argued

[limber lion]

actual poggers ability

[bleak sky]

what the fuck is multistrike

[timid cloud]

What was that from?

[balmy condor]

wod

[limber lion]

WoD

[timid cloud]

MOP/WOD?

[trim cairn]

MoP

[balmy condor]

a stat that they removed

[bleak sky]

google multistrike wow

[timid cloud]

Oh, I never played those. I stopped after Cata & came back in the last week of NH

[bleak sky]

oi I want it back

[timid cloud]

That sounds kinda cool.

[bleak sky]

where do I get it

[balmy condor]

wod private server

[trim cairn]

Sub weaponmaster

xd

Just weaker version

[serene shell]

multistrike was fundamentally second critical strike

[bleak sky]

yes but looks fun

give

[trim cairn]

Multistrike could proc off of multistrike

With no limit

So you could have insane edge cases

[subtle tundra]

🤨

y'all sus

[obtuse robin]

alot of sussieness

[timid cloud]

[carmine dawn]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[carmine dawn]

!cev

ok maybe

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[limber lion]

https://wago.io/rk2kEs76d

@carmine dawn

:)

[carmine dawn]

LOL

thanks pal

[gusty mirage]

stay mad nerd

[cerulean nest]

trying out sin tonight for first time this patch

im back boys

[carmine dawn]

[versed mica]

@timid cloud i need the full version of your profile pic for a meme

Pls

Wait is it nsfw

[timid cloud]

no

in a key

[versed mica]

Cydone is based lemme tell ya

[timid cloud]

LOL

[cerulean nest]

any tips on short term aoe in raid i.e guardian/xymox

just throw out CT and a few bleeds and slam shiv? or something more intricate

[subtle tundra]

try not to cry

[limber lion]

That's about it

[cerulean nest]

maybe some woke MfD on dying adds?

[limber lion]

Sure go at it

Slam cds on the big boys

[subtle tundra]

dont forget to clean your face afterwards

from all the crying

[cerulean nest]

also i get the quick flag/mfd sequence, but is it fine to let that rip the moment flag is ready? like even when rupture etc. isnt in pandemic

[kindred heron]

you'd envenom instead if you dont need to reapply bleeds

but ya try to get the 10 stacks then vendetta

[cerulean nest]

gotcha

[limber lion]

Yeah, you would hold Vendetta for Flag but when Flag comes up, you'd send it immediately

[cerulean nest]

sick

looking forward to being back on sin. just sad I wasnt around during legion week for the ring

[trim cairn]

bruh be happy

that week was pretty degenerate

[limber lion]

Can confirm

[cerulean nest]

my 246 from last tier still sims higher than my others lmao

so im wearing it in solidarity

[limber lion]

Yeah I wore my 246 until the day I got the same ring at 272

too op

[oak sky]

I had a 278 m+ ring that simmed higher until i got a current one

A current signet that is

[cerulean nest]

my 246 also has a socket and speed so like

probably keeping it for awhile lol

[oak sky]

Yeah mine had a socket as well

No tert tho

My fcm and phial last tier were leech

[cerulean nest]

nice

i havent simmed my 246 fcm for today but i doubt it beats a max phial/totem

[trim cairn]

Reminds me that Ramfam has like 20% avoidance

Halfway to permanent feint

[oak sky]

Fcm kinda sucks now yeah

It was mostly juiced because it worked with frost set

[cerulean nest]

that's right, makes sense

i gotta be honest I've really been enjoying sub, albeit a bit worse than i am at sin comparatively, but kyrian sub really wasnt it chief

didnt enjoy the minigame while doing everything else

[oak sky]

I dont mind ksub once its locked in it kinda plays itself

I do dislike the sub tier set randomness though

[cerulean nest]

that too

its fun when it works, very unfun when it doesnt

which is the exact quality I hate about outlaw too so...

[hybrid vale]

Oh they still do random stat procs like leech and avoid

You can’t control it

Stats*

Not procs

Thought they got rid of that after titan forging for some reason

[oak sky]

tertiaries?

i mean theyre not required in any way just nice to have

[hybrid vale]

Yes

But

Is it still an rng thing

[oak sky]

yes

but titan forging was rng better gear

this is like

[hybrid vale]

You can’t add it like sockets

[oak sky]

nice

no you cant

[hybrid vale]

Oh

[oak sky]

its not like these stats add throughput or anything

[hybrid vale]

Ya but what about as a tank isn’t avoid kinda good

[oak sky]

its good on anyone

but like

not required by any stretch

[hybrid vale]

I saw a pally with a bunch of leech gear and it was a ton of self heals

[trim cairn]

You sure? Even pushing gigahigh keys on ToP tyra?

Might be mistaken, just think my mate was talking about high keys being more survivability limited than dps

[oak sky]

obviously key pushers attempt to get a good amount of avoidance but its not that hard to get a piece or 2 if you actually farm for it

and someone like ramfam has 20% avoidance

so its not like its impossible to find

[hybrid vale]

Interesting

I don’t care either way but I could see leech being important for healer like hpal cause you take a lot of dmg from light of the martyr and it doesn’t beacon

[oak sky]

yes healers will lose a couple ilvl for more leech sometimes

tertiaries are definitely pretty good but when you're at the point where they become more necessary its very likely that you've found or farmed at least a few pieces anyway

but like TR keys like MDI or great push don't even let you get tertiaries

[hybrid vale]

It would be nice to see that be something you can add with the tokens like sockets

[oak sky]

its not like its a throughput gain

[hybrid vale]

Should be something you can work for when you’ve finished gearing

[oak sky]

we don't need everyone having 30% avoidance at the end of the season

[hybrid vale]

But what about people who try really hard to get and get unlucky

[oak sky]

sucks to suck

[trim cairn]

inb4 pugs require 20% avoidance

for invite

to 15 keys

[hybrid vale]

Im just shooting the shit I need primary stat before I can worry about +50 speed

It’s nice for ppl with all the gear they want already to hunt for 🤷‍♂️

[oak sky]

and they can hunt for it every week in raid and vault

[trim cairn]

Imagine this except it's 100% of the time you press FoK

[oak sky]

i dont know if you realize this but theres ways they can make fok feel better without turning it into shuriken storm

[trim cairn]

Sure, I mean as long as they remove the rng

Or make it more reliable baseline

I don't mind the rng as long as the baseline is workable

Like with the sub tierset

Sub is workable without it

[hybrid vale]

Can they make it so it has a chance to generate more than 1-2 fricken cps

[trim cairn]

But the rng is an additive rng

[hybrid vale]

It should be 2-4 or something

[oak sky]

fok can generate as many CP as targets it can crit on

what are you high?

[trim cairn]

Why are you guys always so aggressively defensive about this

[hybrid vale]

Wait what

[trim cairn]

It can also generate 1 cp on 30 targets

[hybrid vale]

Well I can say with certainty I’ve never gotten more than 2 cps

[oak sky]

because people come in every day thinking they have an original thought thats been discussed 30 times already

I mean, you're wrong but ok

[trim cairn]

You get 1 cp base + 1 per crit

[trim cairn]

Except it's not an original thought, and never have I claimed it to be either, this guy didn't either

[hybrid vale]

I’m not saying that’s not correct, I believe you I’m just saying i must not crit enough

Cause it don’t feel too good to use

[oak sky]

ziggly literally check any log of m+ you have ever done on sin and you'll find instances where you got 4 CP from fok unless you have never pulled more than 3 mobs

[hybrid vale]

I believe you man

[oak sky]

but yeah it feels bad to be spamming fok on like 10 targets

[hybrid vale]

I don’t mythic + much

[trim cairn]

Even worse when you can't get enough CP to fill flagellate in aoe

It just feels completely broken and unreliable sometimes

[oak sky]

you usually get enough to get it to 25+ stacks

[hybrid vale]

So I’ll just not talk on the subject

[trim cairn]

Usually for sure, often 30 too

I mean I have 44% crit

But I still get several cases in a run where I barely top 20

On 6+ mobs

And it just feels so utterly crap for no reason at all

It doesn't add anything to have it like this

It doesn't change your gameplay in a meaningful way, except now your dps is gimped cuz you failed to fill your flag, or you had to spend several globals to even fill up your cp bar

[hybrid vale]

I feel like this is why it’s good to be necro for keys, this seems complex and theoretical monkaS

[trim cairn]

And I agree completely that there's better ways to make FoK more "interesting" than just make it storm, except making it storm would be a way better alternative than what we have rn

[hybrid vale]

Blizzards solution to making between the eyes more balanced for outlaw was giving them kidney shot

[versed mica]

Make it put a debuff on the targets so poison ticks have a small chance to give you a combo point

[hybrid vale]

Sometimes the answer simple

( not that they removed between the eyes, but they made it so outlaw didn’t have a fucking ranged stun lmao)

[slow marsh]

@oak sky its just the noobs that don't realize that we've talked about it 50 million times already and are forever tilted by the topic

But they come and play sin for 3 weeks and want it to play like sub

[oak sky]

not my spec

[trim cairn]

Bruh you and whispyr jumping hoops around each other trying to move the goalposts on this tho

[hybrid vale]

Can’t they just go sub

Why they assa if they want sub

[trim cairn]

Playstyle is different

FoK needing to sometimes be pressed 5 times for 5 cp is just bad

[hybrid vale]

But if you want sub strengths like black powda ss symbols etc

It’s like

Go sun

Sub

[trim cairn]

No, who said anything about that?

[hybrid vale]

Not you

[trim cairn]

I just want FoK to be reliable

And not a liability 🙂

[slow marsh]

then play sub

and press storm

[hybrid vale]

But other people wanting assa to play like sub

[slow marsh]

you're literally just asking for storm

[trim cairn]

Yes, but I'm asking for storm, not sub

It's 1 shared spell

Just like rupture

[oak sky]

IT DEFINES THEIR WHOLE AOE PLAYSTYLE

[hybrid vale]

I think ice blades does have a point bc you could go sub

[oak sky]

ITS THE MAIN BUILDER

HOW DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND

[hybrid vale]

Jkjk

[trim cairn]

lol bro chill

Their aoe playstyle is storm powder rinse and repeat

just cuz I want to reliably multidot and still get full flag stacks

[hybrid vale]

We don’t have an aoe spender either, if we get a bomb ass aoe generator but no spender still kinda feels bad

Doesn’t change much

[worn panther]

I would just make Fok always trigger a deadly poison proc, or make Poison bomb baseline

We don't need Storm, just a reliable FoK xD

different playstyles, but closer dmg

that's the whole "specs" appeal

[balmy condor]

fuck off politely

[hybrid vale]

Aoe definitely feels awkward but that doesn’t feel like a good change

[trim cairn]

you being polite would be a first lol

[slow marsh]

...

[balmy condor]

I'm glad the feeling is mutual, let's agree to not speak to each other yeah?

little mutual block action?

[hybrid vale]

You Guys should post on the forums cause they’re looking for this type feedback for dragon flight

I’ve never seen the orange name be mean b4

:

[balmy condor]

I'm very mean to dumbasses

very strong personality trait of mine

[hybrid vale]

There’s deep rooted history behind this I bet

[slow marsh]

and effective

[hybrid vale]

This beef of sorts

[slow marsh]

not really

just annoying af when we spend so much time trying to help others

and then you have ding dongs like that

[trim cairn]

Imagine talking like this and thinking you are in the right lol

[hybrid vale]

He’s just saying he wants fok to better in this convo

[trim cairn]

I have said nothing about you lads personally and you go to personal attacks all the time for some reason

[slow marsh]

well as they say

[trim cairn]

You are very aggresively defensive as soon as people contradict you in matters of opinion

Pretty unreasonable

[slow marsh]

its not about how you start

[hybrid vale]

But post the forums, it looks like you customize for aoe and st

[slow marsh]

its how you finish

[harsh anchor]

I have a hard time comprehending 90% of your messages

[hybrid vale]

Post on the forums

Instead of complaining about how the spec plays on a thread of ppl who like the spec as is

[hybrid vale]

When the lurker finally speaks and it’s some weirdo insult

Whoever you are never seen you yet

[slow marsh]

why is it always the new people that cause the issues in here lmao

been in here all of 3 days and act like they've really been through it

[balmy condor]

I have no idea whats going on anymore

[trim cairn]

sir this is a wendys

[trim cairn]

I mean sure if you take a disagreement on a discord channel that personal lol

[slow marsh]

its what happens when we hit the lul every patch right

[balmy condor]

I just hate arguing with you because it feels like I'm just talking at a wall

[trim cairn]

I mean if you usually throw personal insults at a wall then I'd consult a therapist

xd

[balmy condor]

great comeback

[trim cairn]

It's not a contest you really need to stop being so personally invested

It's ok to be passionate and involved for sure but it always degenerates to name calling

[balmy condor]

yes it does, because at some point I recognize that there is nothing to argue about and it's just going in circles since you refuse to be open minded about it

[trim cairn]

And I'm saying that's pretty unhealthy

[marble hemlock]

And who exactly asked for your opinion on this?

How about we stop anatagonizing the Janitors

[trim cairn]

I mean if saying FoK would be better if it was more reliable is antagonizing the Janitors

[indigo totem]

The Janitor should have been the secret mythic-only boss fight this tier

[trim cairn]

And that makes it called for to caps lock rage etc then sure, I'll stop

[balmy condor]

You act like I’m the first person you’ve gotten into it with

[trim cairn]

Janitors plural?

[balmy condor]

I remember opening chat last week at some point and seeing you argue in circles with some random people

None of which I think had any designated role

[marble hemlock]

You must have me confused with someone who cares about the argument. I don't. When someone tells you to maybe cut it out a bit, your first response shouldn't be "toxic mods".

[hybrid vale]

At least this mod doesn’t perma for disagree, they let you make Ur point

That’s nice

[trim cairn]

Doesn't the last part apply to the reverse also in this case, just exchange "toxic mods" with "dumbasses"?

[marble hemlock]

Calling them like we see them.

[trim cairn]

For sure

I've been called quite a lot xd

[hybrid vale]

“We”… what’s the point of this kind of mentality

Let them duke it out why you gotta do that

[marble hemlock]

Cause Whispyr is being too nice

And I was hoping, that me joining in on the argument would make the other side realize that they're the stupid ones in this discussion. Seems I was wrong.

[balmy condor]

I don’t censor people as a concept unless it gets really bad. Everyone’s allowed to have the dumbest most braindead takes in the world, there’s a couple of regulars in #off-topic come to mind. But when you construe arguments and spin in circles about stuff that doesn’t even make sense

Then it’s not funny anymore

[hybrid vale]

True

[hybrid vale]

You a good mod

[trim cairn]

I mean we were having a pretty polite discussion I don't get the politics here for sure

[trim cairn]

That's your take and I don't doubt thats how you view it

[hybrid vale]

Buddy, I may not be an experienced rogue in shadowlands but I’ll tell you this is the only mod that would let you continue talking this long

They’re not censoring you

[trim cairn]

I never said they were tho xd

Never complained about how mods run this place at all

And I got a timeout here my first day

Which was fair for sure

[balmy condor]

He’s right, that’s not his argument

[trim cairn]

I just don't view the arguments as antagonizingly as others here do I guess

For me this is mostly light memes

[carmine dawn]

While I have an orange and green name here, can you turn outlaw channel into combat for wotlk, then back for 10.0? Seems like a better use maybe?

[marble hemlock]

Idk, all I see is a dumb discussion about Fok vs SStorm and how apparnetly FoK would not be the same as SStorm if it gave 1CP per target hit?

[hybrid vale]

I’m just sayin anyway, what is ur point now frix. The fok thing still? Like I agree assass is a poop aoe spec mechanically but it’s not like that 1 change is the answer

Or has to be

Why so big on it

[balmy condor]

He was arguing for consistency on fok by saying it should gen cp like storm, and I was saying that would invalidate seal fate, should be 2 cp baseline with seal fate, and we spiraled from there

Working towards the same goal

[trim cairn]

I was saying that FoK sucks like it is rn, it feels bad, it doesn't add anything as it is

And I made a joke about Whispyr never being polite which given the way I usually am perceived here came off wrong I guess xd

[balmy condor]

We all said that to be fair

[hybrid vale]

I think the general consensus is that Assa aoe * feels bad* tho

Maybe different solutions tho

[trim cairn]

We are healing lads

Just like Azeroth

[echo geyser]

do u think sin dots should do more dmg like shrouded ? @marble hemlock

[trim cairn]

Sin PvE should be like Sin PvP. You dot up, press vendetta and go hide behind a pillar while the jailer dies

[balmy condor]

Text conversations are difficult to joke in when it’s already tense

[marble hemlock]

Idk man

Assa needs a full rework

[echo geyser]

[marble hemlock]

No individual change is gonna make Assa feel better

[trim cairn]

I mean for sure but that is when they are good tho ngl

[marble hemlock]

Make bleeds stack or some shit, give us some tools to spread bleeds from one target to another, that kinda thing

[carmine dawn]

Rework exsang to spread

[balmy condor]

No more dot compression pls

[strange python]

I wish when vendetta was on a target it would make bleeds spread

[carmine dawn]

“Exsang is a shit talent and snapshotting sucks”
Blizz: ok you’re not gonna believe this

[strange python]

So it some value for aoe

[limber lion]

Funnily enough a lot of people consider 8.3 Assassination the peak of Assassination.

And that was when we played Exsanguinate

[vast loom]

why do people not like snapshot/compressing dots? i think its pretty fun

[carmine dawn]

Kinda forced that talent setup tho

[echo geyser]

isnt our tier set exsang

[carmine dawn]

120% haste from corruption

[limber lion]

A much better Exsang, yes

[carmine dawn]

[echo geyser]

why ppl dont like it then

not enough damage?

[limber lion]

Have you not noticed a lot of people complaining about the tier set?

[trim cairn]

I mean everyone afaik loves it

[limber lion]

We always have people here complaining how it's terrible

[marble hemlock]

Thats cause its absolute garbage

[echo geyser]

ive almost never been in sin channel until recently

[carmine dawn]

High APM assa is driving people up a wall

[echo geyser]

so i havent heard

i just started playing sin myself

2-3keys

[marble hemlock]

4pc is trash

[limber lion]

getting there

See, here's one

[echo geyser]

@limber lion are u tracking empowered subterfuge garrotes and 4p bleeds?

[carmine dawn]

You cannot begin to fathom what cevs brain is tracking

[marble hemlock]

But theres just so many things wrong with Assa atm, that not any individual change is gonna fix it. Assa needs meaningful damage behind its dots, without any of the rental powers atm, bleeds serve as nothing but energy-generators. But then we lack any kind of meaningful energy-spender, we cant just dump all our resources at once for massive damage. We also lack the ability to ramp quickly with a single button, because we cannot apply all or most of our dots in a single GCD, let alone AoE with our dots

[limber lion]

I sure am. It's not super necessary though.

[limber lion]

I agree with everything said here

[marble hemlock]

DoT compression sucks ass, because it basically just gives you more unbuffed dot-ticks. Even a 500% increased damage garrote with exsanguinate would still have the same damage per execute, the only thing youd get is more unbuffed garrote ticks because it runs out faster

[limber lion]

but I still think current Assa is the best Assa iteration we've had since Legion

[trim cairn]

I mean Cev disagrees cuz he isn't a true Envenom enjoyer but 4 pc should keep the double tickrate without reducing duration so you can spam Envenom

[marble hemlock]

The only reason why dot compression works right now, is because of the 2pc being a 9sec duration buff, so compressed dots are actually somewhat meaningful to get into this short window (similar to how BotE worked for compressed SS garrotes in BFA) and because of overhang snapshotting, whic his one of the dumbest things to ever exist in this game

Compressed dots without a damage amp is just worthless, unless you somehow get to juice up those compressed dota (i.e. bote/clf/ss in bfa, or 2pc+4pc now)

So yeah, would be nice if they could just decide on a role for Assassination, or maybe let us "choose" our role in 10.0 with the new talent trees, where you can go for either a DoT heavy bleed build, or a more direct-damage centric Poison build

But just giving FoK extra CP on hit wouldnt change the fact that we're energy saturated on AoE but dont have anything to spend that energy on

And if you have to fok 5times to get 5cp, id make sure your weakauras are working correctly because unless youre foking on singletarget, theres no way this ever happens with current gear.

[trim cairn]

I mean 5 times was a meme, but 3 times happens for sure

Even with 44% crit

[marble hemlock]

Yeah well, if you wanna try to have a "serious" discussion with wrong factual information, I can recommend you the Warlock or Boomkin discord, they love that shit.

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[marble hemlock]

But dont expect people here to have a lot of patience when discussions are being started and then someone overexaggerates to an extent that just makes you roll your eyes

Were all already getting tilted by that 1 Fok that gives 1 CP, no need to make up shit like 5 foks 5cp

[trim cairn]

#assassination message

[marble hemlock]

Anyway, I'm done rambling, you can continue capslocking at each other now for not being subtlety

See, the differnece is that everyone knows Whispyr was joking

I doubt anyone was sure if you were joking

I certainly wasn't

Anyway, I'll hop into bed before you confuse me with someone who wants to engage with your original argument

@oak sky youre up

[trim cairn]

Bro you are levels beyond me here

Sleep well mate

[brazen zodiac]

good night seliathan!

[hybrid vale]

Did you type that out

Why

Seliathon

It doesn’t roll off the tongue

Goodnight seliathon !

[cerulean nest]

@limber lion enjoying your vendetta WA but not having the garrote cd timer is tough

[vast loom]

its pretty easy to add

[limber lion]

Oh ya I forgot I have the garrote cd as a separate weak aura lol

I'll try to fix that tomorrow

[kindred heron]

if you like your WA, but just want to adjust for the pandemic timers, you can copy the conditions & triggers from Cevs into yours

[cerulean nest]

bless

yeah I saw that im just a noob

with WA

[echo geyser]

i think i have old CT pandemic timers, since before the tierset

should i also add updated CT one or doesnt matter as long as u have garrote rupture one

i took ur weakaura cev

[limber lion]

Yeah it doesn't matter honestly

CT is so irrelevant and it's not that important to track

[echo geyser]

it drops off anyways ye

[limber lion]

If it drops, it drops

Yeah

[viscid spear]

Ty Dolph

[slow marsh]

\

[deft vault]

whats the fix for when unity doesnt work?