#assassination

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frank yacht
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ok another query, what the best timing for on use trinkets in opener?

oak sky
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just with vendetta is fine

hybrid vale
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its for bigger boobs man

bleak sky
frank yacht
misty holly
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Are they adding a boob slider?

brazen zodiac
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what

storm belfry
strange python
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lol

storm belfry
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would prefer ass slider, or both. but take what you get

strange python
storm belfry
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😈

obtuse robin
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pk in m+ legit or nah?

storm belfry
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poison knives condy?

obtuse robin
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yes

storm belfry
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i seen ppl use it quite a bit but i never have tried it stare

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i just prefer shiv and LP

bleak sky
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Pk, lethal poisons, doesn't really matter

obtuse robin
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is not taking subtre trolling or nah on tyrannical

strange python
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prob

drifting cosmos
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I think not taking sub in keys is mostly troll

brazen zodiac
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no

ebon notch
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sub is neutral

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you can do comps with or without them

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we are far from the meta of last season

oak sky
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still 3rd best dps

ebon notch
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i mean

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havoc is probably better depending on comp right

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because of their magic buff

rotund oak
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How is havoc better

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does it have stronger funnel than sub?

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no class can rly provide that,except frost mage and Enh shaman

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but not that strong funnel and not combined with so much control

strange python
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Havoc has really good cc and decent damage

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Good st and aoe

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magic buff

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Interacts extremely well with urh with blade dance

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Idk about better but it’s def good if you absolutely need the 5% magic

bleak sky
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Funnel copege

rotund oak
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Funnel idk 😅

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not many classes can do that as good as the sub rogue

slow marsh
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Havoc buffs destro

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that's all that matters

strange python
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You don’t absolutely need funnel

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like it’s really good ofc

slow marsh
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bdk havoc destro mage rsham

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ggs

balmy condor
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destro funnels better than sub

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you just never notice cause they're too busy doing 400k aoe dps

rotund oak
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destro cleaves

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or am i missing something

balmy condor
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they get shit ton of shards in aoe from rain of fire

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and then just blast 2 targets super hard with chaos bolts

rotund oak
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oh ye which they prio with bolts

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yy

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f@ck warlocks

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im gonna kill eveyrone that has a wm on

strange python
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Whispyr

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U coming to Hawaii next week?

timid cloud
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Yeah, he got them sweet Hawaiian buns.

balmy condor
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my gf was in hawaii 2 weeks ago you could've finessed

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wait hol up

strange python
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I gotta ditch covid weight. Ten days is enough time right?

balmy condor
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me too

upbeat needle
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Raveholdt group workout session ???

strange python
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I reviewed my credit card bills for the last year

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I might be doordashs best customer

upbeat needle
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No

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I got you beat buddy

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sorry

strange python
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How much

upbeat needle
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idk bro lemme check rq

strange python
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For 2021 all year? Or we just doing monthly

upbeat needle
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can't you see how much you've ordered on the website

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let's do 2021

strange python
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$35,000

upbeat needle
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😮

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ur lying

strange python
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A chunk of that is for meetings and was expensed

balmy condor
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this guy spends my yearly salary on doordash

strange python
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A yuge chunk is work expensed

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Like, 80%

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But I am a filthy lazy animal

upbeat needle
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oh if work was paying for doordash I'm runnin it up

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too bad I just do IT Support from the crib 😦

strange python
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All I do is have useless meetings

balmy condor
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pc required for work

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what do

strange python
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HUGE

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Btw is squishei of wowhead the same as the one who runs might?

balmy condor
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I wanna say yes

strange python
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They don't have a rogue rn huh 👀👀

balmy condor
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I wouldn't know

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I don't really talk to squishei ever

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he's actual staff, I'm just a shit shoveling guide writer

strange python
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Shameless app inc

balmy condor
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is undeadmerlin in might?

glass tulip
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Stabs if that means you have to play with tettles

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Is that really a step up

balmy condor
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he was in like vodkaz and then xd

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or something like that

strange python
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I don't think so. Mights wowprog doesn't have any decent ilvl rogues

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Vodka has slash right? Idk who else

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I kinda wanna find some shitter guild that's just gonna chain PI me

glass tulip
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Join me on crab stabs

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No hof til dragonflight but then we zoom :)

glass tulip
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I am a worgen boomkin now

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RP andy

strange python
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I wanna be a kultiran boomy :(

balmy condor
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aight I agreed with you earlier but you just said you want to be a boomy

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our friendship is now over

spice spire
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I see two boomkins in chat

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Oddly sent two petitions to ban

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Weird

ebon notch
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coincidences just happen like that sometimes

strange python
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I also used to play a warlock if you want more reasons to hate me

slow marsh
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Shun

timid cloud
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Sin chat so fast they’ll never see me ask if Shiv bug fixed…

oak sky
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@balmy condor

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get him

balmy condor
timid cloud
oak sky
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maybe i do keys tomorrow

timid cloud
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Friend got 2 bonkers back to back out of his.

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Actually malded.

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I got…Bells…twice…

rotund oak
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why would u use skollex tirnket

subtle tundra
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dont tell me im gonna have to swap to wound poison for jailer

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what the fuck

iron orchid
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I've been working on a plater script to track both pandemic AND bleeds hasted by vendetta

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Can I send a video here to show what it looks like for now ?

grizzled fjord
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Hi guys, just wondering about a state of assassination rogue right now. How is it going? Cuz as far as i can see, this spec in a pretty bad shape (still from the start of SL) Is it so?

bleak sky
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Why is the spec in bad shape?

vestal wren
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sin was bis in CN after the buffs
sin was equal to sub in sanctum and both did perform about equal
sin atm is on par with subtlety overall in the raid

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the only content sin is not played a lot is m+ and sub is slightly better in that content

whole mason
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!cev

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oh, may i ask Cev's wa/

vestal wren
brazen zodiac
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thats why spec dead zz

bleak sky
brazen zodiac
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u have a great day minal i hit the boof in honor of u today

bleak sky
brazen zodiac
viscid spear
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Playing Alliance

hollow river
subtle tundra
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our warriors are fucking fury braindeads

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cant multispec

bleak sky
wooden aurora
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
bleak sky
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@subtle tundra hearth out swap to sin not the move for kaal?

subtle tundra
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DOGPOOP

bleak sky
strange python
bleak sky
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sin is fine guys dw

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hollow river
violet jackal
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But what about your boss damage?

bleak sky
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that is boss

violet jackal
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Oh. . .

bleak sky
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(tbf he was dead I think)

violet jackal
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That’s very opposite of my experience. I’m close bottom 3 dps on trash but then I zoom to doubling the 2nd dps on bosses

subtle tundra
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ah

bleak sky
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ye he was not alive I was just wanting to talk shit

subtle tundra
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posting out of context ss

bleak sky
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yes

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spreading misinformation on the internet

hollow escarp
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interesting weekly quest ring Hmm

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violet jackal
bleak sky
subtle tundra
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swapping to assa for st is really strong in m+

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its realllly big diff

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than sub

bleak sky
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ye you're fire mage now

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play sub all dungeon

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swap sin last boss

subtle tundra
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devos is like 7 min boss fight

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fucking hell

bleak sun
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26+ ye

subtle tundra
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29 xd

bleak sun
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7vendetta

subtle tundra
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i didnt know the explosion did 70k

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so i died just as i popped first vendetta in bl

bleak sky
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it do hurt

subtle tundra
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its ez

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tho

bleak sky
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ye just feint

subtle tundra
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nah

bleak sky
subtle tundra
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during vendetta i dont want to

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i cloak there

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ez

bleak sky
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hot damn

subtle tundra
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cloak is useless anyways

bleak sky
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3rd boss sanguine looked a lot scarier than devos

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fuck that boss

subtle tundra
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honestly assa is so good for tyra

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if you can swap to it when you dont need aoe

bleak sky
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wtb sin in TGP

trim cairn
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Damn @subtle tundra , that's a full 180 from 2 weeks ago. What changed?

subtle tundra
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a full 180 from what

drifting cloud
trim cairn
undone flame
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is chains of domination good on assassination?

vestal wren
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it is, but it is hard to get your hands on a high item level one

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chain/cache both are target uncapped so they offer something "unique"

undone flame
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oh i was lucky and gat it heroic form the chest

vestal wren
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also chains has the minigame

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what is annoying

undone flame
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like what? i just use it and do dmg

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or do you mean the thing whare you have to move away for the aoe?

vestal wren
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you need to break the chain to get full efficiency

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also there are other easier trinkets to get like sigil

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so i don't think that we will see a lot of ppl play it

undone flame
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well i dont have anything else atm so i wil use it what is aother good trinket beside phial?

vestal wren
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well have fun, just don't forget to break the chain

subtle tundra
strange python
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Can't be more annoying than earthbreakers

vestal wren
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earthbreakers is fine

strange python
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Real reason to play sin over sub: sub trinkets are cancer

vestal wren
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if you don't run initially like a maniac

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the fisures will spawn fairly close, so should be easy to break

strange python
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It spawning outside of melee range during opener makes me wanna alt f4

vestal wren
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but you can do shadowlands.earthbreakers_impact_weak_points=2 as custom apl option

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if you think you only break 2

strange python
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I honestly can never tell if I missed the third until I check logs after

hollow river
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im full copium on loving this trinket now

trim cairn
bold garden
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A bit new to Assn so I apologize if this is a dumb question, but everything I've found says to use mutilate out of stealth/vanish instead of ambush, is there a reason for that?

trim cairn
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Seal Fate CPs

bleak sky
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!mut

prisma monolithBOT
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Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

bleak sky
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this is a little old but works for MA

subtle tundra
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my point still stands, i dont want to play tyra assa keys

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i only think swapping is good

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for specific scenarios

fair blaze
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Hi guys, don't know if this is a right channel to ask. Do you know where i can find on logs what theotar's tea buff someone had during a fight?

spice spire
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@echo geyser thanks for being a based gamer (I’m sure you boss swapped but Grats on the 30)

echo geyser
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played full key as clueless sin

spice spire
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As based as it comes

echo geyser
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i did Vigilant guardian and 2 pulls on lord mythic

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that was my sin exp this tier

spice spire
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I assume the logic is for the GIGA pool damage on 1/2/4?

echo geyser
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no its just for 2nd necro

spice spire
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Ahhh

echo geyser
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we didnt even get to use the pools

spice spire
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Either way

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Wait

subtle tundra
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they have too much dmg

echo geyser
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i mean u can mostly only do it on 1st

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but we trolled

spice spire
subtle tundra
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well

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its easy key anyways

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unfortunately my group has 0 disease dispelss

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fucking dog shit

echo geyser
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we swapping to necro hpal

subtle tundra
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i mean

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easy for your group

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cause thaner has like all chars

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just swap to another class ez

bleak sky
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varas' healer pls

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swap pally

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or maybe varasmonk? monkaScheme

echo geyser
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yeah i heard echo replace rogue for ww monk

timid cloud
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They do it for the Survival.

echo geyser
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survival hunter or survival (live) ?

timid cloud
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Hunter

echo geyser
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u mean the physial debuff or what

timid cloud
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Yeah.

echo geyser
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starege but their bombs are like 60-70% overall dmg

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thats magic

timid cloud
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I thought it was both.

echo geyser
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nah they gain more from dh buff

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  • wl ofc
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but necro dh not the juice

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while ww likes necro

timid cloud
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Necro DH....

bleak sky
timid cloud
bleak sky
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it's fun

echo geyser
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u dont even have an active ability right

timid cloud
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I throw the glaive at the enemy!

subtle tundra
timid cloud
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WW's do less damage than tanks.

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& their niche isn't even strong anymore in comparison to other AOE specs.

bleak sky
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but it's a lot more fun than venthyr

subtle tundra
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i had the same overall on rogue as their monk did on 29 soa which they timed and we depleted big time

bleak sky
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did you do the same pullls

subtle tundra
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nope

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we had

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omega giga big cock pulls

bleak sky
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I joined late

subtle tundra
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xd

bleak sky
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rip then I guess

subtle tundra
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we had some triple pulls

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the reason we depleted was a ninja pull 🙂

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not even gameplay

timid cloud
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PAIN

bleak sky
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hunter?

subtle tundra
bleak sky
timid cloud
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It was Varas.

viscid spear
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It'sa seekwet :3

woven ruin
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Just read that outlaw is killing it in pvp? Is that real?

gusty mirage
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Yes

bleak sky
gusty mirage
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Tottenham fan Susge

brazen zodiac
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hi oxi

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:D

gusty mirage
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Hope your Saturday is as wonderful as @bleak sky is cute

bleak sky
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dm me I'm free tonight

gusty mirage
viscid spear
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Get a room you two

bleak sky
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jelly

woven ruin
viscid spear
viscid spear
brazen zodiac
viscid spear
gusty mirage
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I don’t share minalba, he’s mine

bleak sky
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👨‍❤️‍👨

viscid spear
gusty mirage
viscid spear
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Get it, cuz they're sub? pepelaugh

gusty mirage
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About to go to timeout PES_Ban

spice spire
viscid spear
strange python
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I'm still upset this channel hasn't been renamed to Sinners

viscid spear
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Sinners Outers Subbers

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S.O.S

bleak sky
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where damage

gusty mirage
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Alliance, unlucky

bleak sky
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should've played draven

gusty mirage
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You should’ve just rerolled warlock

bleak sky
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no

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cringe class

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"but minalba you play rogue" yes yet somehow warlock is even more cringe

gusty mirage
bleak sky
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I wanted to have some funsies ok

gusty mirage
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Did you though?

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Did you really?

bleak sky
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honestly kinda yeah

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did I fuck up 4 vendettas? yes

gusty mirage
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Happy to hear it friend whispyrheart

bleak sky
gusty mirage
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I played venthyr sin in a top

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And regretted it every step of the way

bleak sky
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mists is next

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W sin key

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(not W sin key actual L sin key)

gusty mirage
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Makes first boss easier

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Tbh

bleak sky
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ye

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but then who's stopping the foxes

gusty mirage
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That’s the make it or break it point for tyran mists

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Not your problem starege

viscid spear
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They'll say it is

strange python
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Guild apps are out. Wish me luck boys

gusty mirage
strange python
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The casual "I'm unavailable Tuesday because I'm seeing John mulaney and then im unavailable for two weeks cause I'll be in Hawaii" apps

kindred heron
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Yeah maybe apply after ur trip starege unless ur logs are nuts

balmy condor
strange python
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Pi me?

bleak sky
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good luck with that

upbeat needle
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Anyone know how to put Cev's Sin Overhang into AtrocityUI?

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the 4PC Bleeds one

dawn kelp
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
lofty gazelle
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Just started sim rogue, I’m sad that 4pc doesn’t affect everyone while vendetta is out like 2pc does. Would be very nice for m+

subtle tundra
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kekw until you realize how shit it would feel to play

halcyon zealot
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you’d get garrote on like 1 target and be scrambling for ur life to keep ruptures up lol

hollow dirge
subtle tundra
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and still only do 50% of surv aoe

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😐

oak sky
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Aoe vendetta will never happen

hollow dirge
subtle tundra
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assa has bigger problems than that buddy

hollow dirge
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Thanks for letting me know, bro

bleak sky
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talent?

storm onyx
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Vendetta commitment is cool twist compared to fire/forget cds

subtle tundra
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also, assa's niche of only having ST cd is cool

oak sky
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Also lets us have insanely consistent aoe

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Even though its not very good

hollow dirge
hollow dirge
oak sky
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Last patch for example we could beat a lot of strong classes on packs where they didnt have cds

bleak sky
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so you'd have omega hasted bleeds in aoe that you can't keep up

lofty gazelle
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Would be nice for my group since packs don’t last that long anyways 🥹

subtle tundra
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i mean, vendetta would become very boring

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if it were aoe

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it would literally read

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"dps increase 20%"

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thanks

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fun

hollow dirge
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yeah, because targeting 1 target with 30% of the same is so much more fun hahahah

subtle tundra
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yes bcs you actually have to focus that one target

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it actually does something

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instead of mindless aoe

hollow dirge
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so that makes it fun, that you have to stick to same target? that's super limiting, not fun

storm onyx
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Then play Sub

subtle tundra
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then play

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any other spec

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brother

hollow dirge
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i play all specs, prefer assa, and don't hate vendetta. just think it's a boring ass cd, and considering game shifted heavily towards having m+ as one of the main contents, would not mind having a bit more choice when it comes to aoe cds

subtle tundra
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i like not having aoe cds

hollow dirge
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great for you 🙂

hollow escarp
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it's ok to have some variety

subtle tundra
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now that assa's tuning is dogshit for aoe, is another problem

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other classes got way more borrowed power so we fell behind

hollow dirge
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besides, I did not say remove vendetta as is, just said giving us option to use it as aoe cd instead, on same cd , would be cool. don't see how having more options with same cd is less fun.

vast loom
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I think vendetta is boring baseline, any "x% more dmg" is boring i like my CDs to change how I play. 4p vendetta is a very noticeable shift in rotation

storm onyx
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I am happy being 5th on dps meter but doing 1/6 more dmg then closest follower on boss

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I am not there to imitate other 10 specs dmg out-put; rl gets me in for bulk dmg on prio

ebon notch
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i thought the same until i saw the survival hunter beating me in AOE and boss dam

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then i just kinda gave up lmao

bleak sky
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watching shard damage

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warlock doing 1.3x more

viscid spear
gusty mirage
dawn kelp
viscid spear
oak sky
bleak sky
oak sky
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Its true bro

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I seen it

gusty mirage
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all they need is a decent amount of procs

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and they literally shit on rogue ST

oak sky
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Then why dont people play sv for raid st wowreally

subtle tundra
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bcs we're comparing m+ dmg

ebon notch
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i went to the details meter

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clicked on enemy damage taken

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and he had done more boss damage than me

oak sky
bleak sky
subtle tundra
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but thats...

oak sky
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Yeah i get it sv doesnt change talents

subtle tundra
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normal

oak sky
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We go subt

bleak sky
oak sky
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And its a smaller window

ebon notch
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i was playing sub and full funneling

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with every cd up

bleak sky
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survival doesn't do more boss damage trust Copege

ebon notch
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and i just got pissed and shitted on

oak sky
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Survival isnt good copium

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Bro im happy for them fr

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They get to be a part of the wow community

ebon notch
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yeah but so do warlocks

oak sky
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At least they earned it fuck destro lock

viscid spear
keen tree
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hi - i noticed ALL the top rogues are using edge of night dagger. I'll never get this as i don't raid. Are the options available from m+ dungeons significantly worse?

subtle tundra
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only relevant for sub

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and outlaw(but outlul)

keen tree
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oh balls i thought i was in the sub channel! TBH i've ALWAYS played sin - but it seems not be doing so well these days?

subtle tundra
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its strong in raid

keen tree
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i only play m+ 😦

subtle tundra
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tough luck

keen tree
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indeed 😦

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sin is prob my favourite spec of any class/spec in wow /sigh

kindred heron
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if you like it you should play it! and its not leaning on edge of night 🙂

keen tree
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as well as only doing m+ i also only pug and community perception is quite an issue from experience.

trim cairn
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Just join party as sub and change spec during pull timer xd

oak sky
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Most people won't kick you for spec

tired falcon
floral otter
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Hey Guys you got any up to date PI sheet?

bleak sky
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pinned in general

stone hinge
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A cool vendetta rework would be to spread the bleeds on the target you used it on.

ebon notch
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like you find some way to put up some giga bleeds on one target

oak sky
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or alternatively they could not change vendetta and either add new interesting abilities and passives or iterate on other abilities that don't work as well

ebon notch
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and then vendetta spreads it to everything

weak plover
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Do we remove secondary poison on The Jailer?

bleak sky
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wound would replace deadly poison

oak sky
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only right before the heal though

bleak sky
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idk

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not at jailer

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no idea how this shit works

oak sky
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its only on mythic jailer and you only use wound poison when hes about to cast eternity's end or whatever

hybrid vale
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man that sounds pretty annoying

oak sky
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if you have an arms warrior i think their mortal strike works on it as well

bleak sky
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or mirrors of torment

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or mindgames

oak sky
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mirrors is patched

bleak sky
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o

oak sky
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mindgames isnt

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and those don't reduce the healing

hybrid vale
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i feel like a priest loses alot leaving fae

oak sky
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those remove the mechanic

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supposedly the mortal strike effects reducing the healing was intended

bleak sky
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I wouldn't know, not a bug abuser

hybrid vale
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*haven't done mythic jailer ^

oak sky
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so like arms warriors and rogues were supposed to be able to reduce its effectiveness

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and anyone else that has healing cut

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idk what other classes do if any

bleak sky
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hunter

oak sky
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yeah i was gonna say maybe hunter

vast loom
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didnt RSK from monk used to or is that a pvp talent

hybrid vale
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oh yah and those guys are everywhere now

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rsk is mortal strike ya

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but i think up until the buffs it's probs more of a throw to bring a ww

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or to gear one

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compared to a warrior who can just swap between arms and fury

oak sky
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thing is fury does more dps than arms

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so its weird

hybrid vale
#

well

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all arms players play fury most fights rn

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so it's fine

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fury is a really easy spec to pcik up

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apm junky

oak sky
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does not appear that ww has healing reduction baseline

hybrid vale
#

??

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you must be looking at the mw version

oak sky
hybrid vale
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ya that's not the right one

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thats like the general one

oak sky
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ill check in game rq

hybrid vale
#

i know for sure but ya check

oak sky
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yeah its there

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doesnt say how much healing reduction tho

hybrid vale
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believe its the same as MS

oak sky
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50%

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huh

hybrid vale
#

ya

oak sky
#

wound poison is worse

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only 24 i think

hybrid vale
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isn't assa's stronger?

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that i dont know

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i thought assa had a stronger wouun d poison but maybe only with the talent master poisoner

oak sky
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master poisoner makes it 5 stacks instead of 3 iirc

hybrid vale
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so like 40

oak sky
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yeah

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but thats never worth

hybrid vale
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well assa is amazing single target and unless mythic does something special

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i think it continues to be a singlet arget fight yes

oak sky
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theres some adds

hybrid vale
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o none on heroic tho

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special mythic adds

vast loom
#

isnt only the MC'd people?

oak sky
#

theres adds on heroic

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from the drop puddles

hybrid vale
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oh but thats not like a super big factor into the dmg profile i feel

oak sky
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on mythic they definitely matter

hybrid vale
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oh ok

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so assa not so strong

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anytiem you bring more than afew targets into the mix, we start to crumble

oak sky
#

thats not exactly how it works

hybrid vale
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at least, that's how I feel. only exception is short living adds

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where i can play necro 🙂

oak sky
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enough fire mages frost dks sv hunters destro locks etc and the adds should burn pretty fast

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and nerfs will come and gear will get better

bleak sky
oak sky
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sin should be just fine on jailer

bleak sky
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because they NEED to die

hybrid vale
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oh so effectively it's still single target for ppl not assigned to killing htem

oak sky
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sin has passive aoe as venth basically so its really not that big of a deal

hybrid vale
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passive AoE monka hmm

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like what

oak sky
oak sky
vast loom
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CT

hybrid vale
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wait what is that i dont play venth

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what is this ct magic

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soulbind trait?

bleak sky
#

talent

hybrid vale
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OHH

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wtf

dark token
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Sin dev working on dragonflight talent trees I see you, please make crimson tempest baseline and add shrouded suffication as a talent and sin is saved, ty

hybrid vale
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i knew that i was like searching thru the soulbinds looking for a trait that started with those letters

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i see what you mean they take ct so they have it

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poison bomb is also passive aoe so i was confused

bleak sky
#

poison bomb is a trash talent

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not passive aoe

dark token
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Poison bomb is a trash

hybrid vale
#

oh you select tempest even as necro?

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ive been playing with pb

bleak sky
#

are you playing necro in raid?

hybrid vale
#

for now yeah

bleak sky
hybrid vale
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just heroic for now

oak sky
#

every class probably has to talent aoe

bleak sky
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no way they scrap ct

hybrid vale
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i just got back into things last month so i dont have time to swap and level up to 80 rn

dark token
halcyon zealot
hybrid vale
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im doing all the wqs i can with contract so i get revered enlightment on top of the dailies

oak sky
#

dont we just get like 10 things level 1-10 then everything else is talent points?

dark token
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It should be like black powder, always available and not taking power budget of a talent point

oak sky
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won't black powder be a talent point now too though

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under the new system

grim tangle
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they should delete black powder

dark token
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Don't think so they said very few actives

vast loom
#

we have no idea how the new system works

oak sky
#

hmm

hybrid vale
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pb doesn't do a whole lot of dmg, but if i spec into tempest without the venthyr interaction if eel like i just lose out on envenom dmg when i cast CT so it's a wash

oak sky
#

well yeah i hope ct isnt a node then too if thats how theyre doing it

dark token
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Basically CT needs to be treated like black powder or blade flurry

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Not some optional thing

hybrid vale
#

u want it to be baseline

dark token
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Yes

hybrid vale
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that would be nice

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apparently in 10.0 we will have alot less baseline

dark token
#

And shrouded suffication on the talent tree

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Ty

hybrid vale
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taht's the jist i get from the interiews

strange python
#

monka

hybrid vale
oak sky
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i mean idk man i didnt play old wow so im not sure how they would implement it

hybrid vale
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specalized things will be in the talents

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maybe no black powder

dark token
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How I interpret it is we will have almost actives off the tree and it will be a ton of passives

hybrid vale
#

but possibly

strange python
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I mean … there will be so many talent points

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I doubt it will be an issue

bleak sky
oak sky
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theres gonna be 51

bleak sky
oak sky
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51 points they said

bleak sky
#

oh

strange python
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I am sending deep copium

hybrid vale
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I envision it as each decision node will probably have 3 branches of empowerment, making the previous node stronger

strange python
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Sensing

oak sky
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every level 10-60 i think?

hybrid vale
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anyone have the example tree they gave us

dark token
bleak sky
#

compound interest on talents

hybrid vale
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well no, it's just what i think

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so i guess my ass

dark token
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Just give us poe tree

bleak sky
dark token
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And 100 talent points to spend

hybrid vale
#

allegedly my ass

bleak sky
#

casual player goes

dark token
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1 per level

bleak sky
#

OMG GAME IS TAILORED TO NO LIFERS

dark token
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Have an auto recommended build button

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For casual

bleak sky
#

and then they have to balance a giga tree

dark token
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Like league has recommended items

bleak sky
#

not happening

hybrid vale
bleak sky
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if they can't balance talents as they are now, imaggine a poe like tree

dark token
#

Meh what's the worst that can happen

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Locks become op?

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They already are

bleak sky
hollow river
fleet anchor
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I mean they basically said about 2/3rds of the nodes will be taken. The trees aren't gonna be too complex most likely

hybrid vale
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i dont think they'd put an ability like shadowstrike for sub into the talent tree, those kind of core abiltiies will still be baseline

oak sky
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theyre doing like a 50 50 class and spec tree where the class tree has base abilities and utility and the spec tree has enhancements and shit for spec abilities

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i could see them making shadowstrike an enhancement of ambush on the sub tree, as an example

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mut an enhancement of sinister strike

hybrid vale
#

but i also don't see them introducing a ton of new abilities into the game, they're still staying the course with the prune thing so the only thing i can imagine is they take out baseline abilities and put it into the tree and if you pick those abilities you can spend more points in subsequent branches to beef them up

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they did say they used artifact traits and prior systems for inspiration on some parts of the tree, so it could be alot of passive crap too

fleet anchor
hybrid vale
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hahaha ok

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true

oak sky
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i could imagine mastery will be baseline and main cds will be baseline but who knows what else they have planned

hybrid vale
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ya its really hard to imagine they'd put something like vendettta in the tree

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and if htey did it would be very annoying

oak sky
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i bet there will be a node with buffs to vendetta of some kind though

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like how the druid tree had incarn in their proposed build

hybrid vale
#

but think back to tbc, they had fucking shadowstep as the premier talent granted it did increase the dmg of your next ability

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and mobility was huge at the time

oak sky
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shadowstep is definitely going in the class tree not the spec tree

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just saying

hybrid vale
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but still, more of a utility spell

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should yeah

vast loom
hybrid vale
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if this is the best sample we have to work with its possible to make some deductions

unknown.png
upbeat needle
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necro or venth for ToP?

oak sky
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necro if your group needs it for sure

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but it should really matter that much

hybrid vale
#

does anyone know about fucking boomkins

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i cant make deductions without knowing what these spells do

bleak sky
# fleet anchor

and it's wild that the tree is somewhat the simple part in poe

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god I love poe

fleet anchor
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I mean if they plop Vendetta in the middle of the Assassination tree it won't really matter

bleak sky
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give me the new league

fleet anchor
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Or they will just make it a mid-tier capstone

vast loom
#

yeah new league plz

hybrid vale
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the lunar eclipse thing is the first talent point, boomkin form the second, perhaps the moonfire looking one is like that talent where moonfire hits 2 targets?

fleet anchor
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Like Starfall is

vast loom
#

im hype for new Blue league

bleak sky
hybrid vale
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i mean moonkin form being a talent, are we really reverting back to this crap

bleak sky
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kill mob get splinter kill big mob get bigger splinter kill big bad mob

fleet anchor
vast loom
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im hype for ben uniques

fleet anchor
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It's fine tbh

hybrid vale
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i see

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but couldnt i go as a feral druid and grab it

oak sky
#

and that would be like moonkin affinity

hybrid vale
#

ok

oak sky
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or balance affinity

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whatever

hybrid vale
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i see

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fair enough

oak sky
#

all the circles are some sort of passive

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all the squares are new abilities

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near the top you can see trees

hybrid vale
#

well what about the numbers in the bottom right corner

oak sky
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i would say

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either how many points it costs

hybrid vale
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oh you right

oak sky
#

or its a talent you can level multiple times

hybrid vale
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the point cap

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cause abilities are all 1

fleet anchor
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They also totally will do that

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Most likely

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Because of Astral Influence

oak sky
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so like you can see convoke there near the bottom

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and to the left of it is some sort of upgrade to CA

hybrid vale
#

oh ok so this is one druid, i thought they were 2 separate examples

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this druid is part resto part boomy

oak sky
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no the one on the left is the druid tree the one on the right is the balance tree

fleet anchor
oak sky
#

all druids get the druid tree

fleet anchor
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That's the increased range talent

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So

oak sky
#

but only boomies get the balance tree

hybrid vale
#

oh wow

fleet anchor
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Feral probably will want it 😄

hybrid vale
#

i knew nothing

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they have a druid tree

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a class tree

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anda. spec tree

oak sky
#

yes

fleet anchor
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Yeah

oak sky
#

so like rogue on the left will have stuff like sprint shadowstep blind

hybrid vale
#

but you can only access your own spec tree ? or you have access to all 3 spec trees

bleak sky
#

I'll be poison rogue

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you weirdos can be bleed rogue

oak sky
#

you can make trees for different specs

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but you cant use both sub and outlaw at the same time

hybrid vale
#

oh ok

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ok i already got past the complication

oak sky
#

so like you would have a sub build with certain talents, maybe an aoe talent build for sub, and then totally separate builds for outlaw or sin

hybrid vale
#

this will be very good then

oak sky
#

its hard to know until we get to test it

hybrid vale
#

you get 51 points for both trees or 51 for each

oak sky
#

both

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like

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51 combined

hybrid vale
#

i see

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so you could be strugglign to choose between being better at ur spec thing or being better at being a druid

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like travel form being faster or doing more dmg with starfire

oak sky
#

no

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its gonna be like 25 points for druid 26 points for spec

hybrid vale
#

ohh its fixed

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damn

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you couldnt chuck all of em into balance to be a hyper charged boomy

oak sky
#

so you dont have to choose between spec enhancements and damage vs class utility and base power

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because everyone would always go for big damage and like

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skip taking stuns and kicks and shit

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from their class tree

hybrid vale
#

ya ya pretty much everyone but pvpers would just go all spec tree

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this is much better

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i feel like viewing this example makes it look awesome, but not all classes are as dynamic as druid

fleet anchor
#

Also

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They said the capstones on the side are required investment breakpoints

hybrid vale
#

there's alot of overlap with dks and and what not

fleet anchor
#

So you'll need X talents invested to go past that line

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You can't just beeline to the bottom in a straight line

oak sky
#

so like CA and starfall you mean?

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and rebirth and roar?

fleet anchor
#

Yes

oak sky
#

i like that actually

hybrid vale
#

whats that icon in the very bottom right

fleet anchor
#

I'm guessing it's like

hybrid vale
#

i wonder what ability that is

fleet anchor
#

11 points for the 1st and 21 points for the 2nd or something like that

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if I were to guess

fleet anchor
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One of two options

oak sky
#

full moon and

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something

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maybe uh

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fury of elune?

fleet anchor
#

Nature's Balance?

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No idea

#

Looks like the Nature's Balance icon though

hybrid vale
#

cause it seems like they're choosing the fury of elune talent

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instead of whatever that is

oak sky
#

its new moon

hybrid vale
#

ah so a more aoe centric build

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thats also good

ebon notch
hybrid vale
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if you could specalize in your own spec at being better at aoe or single target rahter than needing to character swap or spec swap entirely

fleet anchor
#

Ah

hybrid vale
#

that would be really awesome

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or covenant swap eek

fleet anchor
#

But yeah I think 11 and 21 are likely the thresholds

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Based on the slots

oak sky
#

yeah it definitely is natures balance koji

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oh wait boat looks the same

hybrid vale
#

the thing above that talent is moonkin aura i think

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idk if it relates

oak sky
#

its probably some sort of empowered moonkin form

hybrid vale
oak sky
#

pvp talents arent part of the tree

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theyre separate

fleet anchor
oak sky
#

you can see them at the bottom

hybrid vale
#

perhaps they;'ll add it in tho

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into the tree

fleet anchor
#

There's a total of 17 points above that line available

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They said you'd take about 2/3rds

hybrid vale
#

cause no other spell has that icon in game atm

fleet anchor
#

Which is 11

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So I'm sticking to that 😄

hybrid vale
#

we need to see the rogue one

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im hyped

#

i gotta look at the o ld artifact traits from legion cause apparently some are being used

fleet anchor
#

They will need to tbh

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Rogue has so much shared stuff otherwise

#

It'll be hard to fill out without reviving Artifact traits and maybe some set bonus/legendary stuff

hybrid vale
#

here we go

fleet anchor
#

I wouldn't be surprised if Cat-Like Reflexes comes back

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🙏

hybrid vale
#

blood of the assassinated ! i remember this

#

over under on that being added

fleet anchor
#

I wouldn't really be shocked if Kingsbane came back. I'm kinda hoping.

hybrid vale
#

i didnt main assa i just had an alt of pretty much everything in legion cause for pvp it was alt friendly (templates)

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what was optimal way to use kingsbane

fleet anchor
#

Surge of Toxins I would put money on

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Also maybe some of the Torghast defensive things

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Poison Knives trait possible

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Dense Concoction would be a decent filler

bleak sky
#

I want this

#

give

fleet anchor
#

Yeah was pretty nice

hybrid vale
#

ya urge to kill was baked into vendetta and poison bomb is a talent so a few are off the table, but blood of the assinated surge of toxins seem like nice ones

fleet anchor
#

Yeah

#

Could see them for sure

hybrid vale
#

kings bane with the cdr fits well into our kit

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with shiv being short cd

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sinister circulation + kingsbane

brazen zodiac
bleak sky
hybrid vale
#

would be nice to get a different "opening move" because without subterfuge your garrote is same stealthed as unstealthed outside the silence

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cause we share ambush with outlaw

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or just shrouded suffocation

bleak sky
#

I just want a tiny bit more of aoe

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not a lot

#

tiny bit

vast loom
#

without the stacked powers of shrouded is it that good?

hybrid vale
#

just combo points and remove ambush

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the extra 2 was nice

bleak sky
#

let ambush be

hybrid vale
#

for extra aoe they could make crimson tempest interact with mastery if you specced far into the aoe side of things

vast loom
#

i think something as simple as rupture cleave would make our AoE a lot more fluid

hybrid vale
#

ya effectiely that but it would need some kind of activator

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like arms has sweeping strikes

#

it passively cleaving would probably make it worse for ST

#

just in terms of balance

#

u could do it so it only cleaves during vendetta - borrowing from the way Fire Mage works

bleak sky
hybrid vale
#

the bleed from that ability doesn't interact with venemous wounds

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i meant

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sorry u right

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i always confuse mastery with VW for some reason

#

yah that wouldd be epic

oak sky
#

ct with vw wouldnt affect our aoe at all

#

but yeah sure

#

it would just make us always cast CT in single target

hybrid vale
#

more energy wouldn't help u ?

oak sky
#

in aoe we already are energy capped

#

so no

hybrid vale
#

ya if u use a million globals

oak sky
#

it wouldn't help at all

hybrid vale
#

by that time, everything is already dead

oak sky
#

energy cap happens at about 5 bleeds

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which is opener subterfuge garrotes, 1 normal garrote, 1 rupture

bleak sky
oak sky
#

thats 5 globals

hybrid vale
#

problem u coulkd just infinitely fok ct

#

if it interacted

bleak sky
#

how is that good

#

I don't want regen, I wan't damage

hybrid vale
#

i mean it would be better than aoe is rn

bleak sky
#

we already have regen

#

no

oak sky
#

it would literally not be the same as aoe rn

bleak sky
#

it wouldn't

#

yeah

#

because you'd still keep rupture up because damage

#

and garrote because damage

oak sky
#

and it ruins the whole ramping into aoe thing

bleak sky
#

but gz now you're even more giga capped I guess

hybrid vale
#

well if there's more than 8 targets i just fall over and pretend i dc anyway

oak sky
#

why 8 targets

bleak sky
hybrid vale
#

cause i dont wanna rupture that many dudes man

bleak sky
#

that's the spec

#

wtf?

hybrid vale
#

i dont like assa for aoe

#

at baseline

#

it definitely needs work

bleak sky
#

it's like

hybrid vale
#

very clunk

#

i am not a game dev

bleak sky
#

I don't want to storm finisher

#

too bad that's the spec

hybrid vale
#

so obviously my ideas are gonna b eflawed

#

but general sentiment i get from playing is i hate mass aoe

#

as this spec

oak sky
#

if it did good damage you would like it

#

ur a wow player

bleak sky
#

^

#

and sin doesn't do mass aoe

#

we literally can't

#

"but at an imaginary number of targets we spam ct" cool

hybrid vale
#

ya idk what would make it better

craggy oak
#

I enjoy pressing vendetta in packs and pretending the numbers are from aoe

hybrid vale
#

if anything

bleak sky
hybrid vale
#

what, fok?

oak sky
#

yeah so i just hopped on sub as the wrong covenant for aoe, literally only pressed 2 buttons and did 20k to 5 targets, no cds no nothing

craggy oak
#

1 min cd where rupture applies to like 3 targets would be nice

oak sky
#

not a problem btw

hybrid vale
#

not even dance

craggy oak
#

Fan of knives dmg increased vs targets with bleeds

bleak sky
bleak sky
#

just in general

craggy oak
#

Sumin like that

oak sky
#

you can unironically maintain 20k aoe on 5 targets when sub is soft capped at 8 targets while pressing exactly 2 buttons

bleak sky
#

sometimes just 1 button

oak sky
#

well tornado is a button so

bleak sky
#

no no

oak sky
#

4p