Venth still cringe
#assassination
spice spire
Ur cringe bud
novel arrow
Does anyone know if cast time is always to .1 decimal place? Or does it get more accurate that wow tooltip isn't showing?
spice spire
balmy condor
The same way some of you Neanderthals are proud of playing venth sin
balmy condor
Does anyone know if cast time is always to .1 decimal place? Or does it get more...
Huh?
spice spire
Can’t be proud if you’ve never swapped off or Necrolord 
novel arrow
@balmy condor LOL, imagine an assa rogue. casting hearthstone. or deadly poison. if they required haste
u know
you trying to beat another rogue. first one to apply deadly poison.
balmy condor
Cast times go down to the hundredth I believe but get rounded in tooltips
marble hemlock
wish all rogue skills had hasted GCDs 
rotund oak
Not happening 😭
also f@ck is wrogn with mailboxes
wanna craft my mage leggos and my materials are stuck
blizzard going full cringe
whole wadi
how big of a difference is there for the new venthyr 4p playing subterfuge? cus not playing SF in dungeons would be kinda sadge
sonic schooner
Wait now we re playin subt venthyr? Oh lord 
zinc frost
In keys not raid
vestal wren
Wait now we re playin sub
tventhyr? Oh lord
^ fixed
zinc frost
Any chance to recruit the last remaining sin key pushers hey fuu 😛
strange python
Twitter
brazen zodiac
good morning
brazen zodiac
and for your +15-+20 it rl is irrelevant
specifically 20+, yeah sin is still ok? i've been feeling pretty troll doin only 13-14k in some 19s and the few 20s i did
sin more fun dont really wanna switch
vestal wren
then higher you get then more it matters
brazen zodiac
makes sense
vestal wren
i wouldn't go sin in a 24 f.ex.
brazen zodiac
good thing i aint goin into a 24 :D
craggy oak
Sin in keys is inting mid
brazen zodiac
but if we dont compare it to anything we vibing :)
craggy oak
Key word being anything :D
brazen zodiac
xD
rotund oak
https://twitter.com/stergey/status/1512531841835700224
the proper 1shot 420 is full bleeds,sepsis,vendetta==>shiv=>vanish
watch him die and there is nothing he can do
literally explodes in 1-2seconds
whole wadi
im gonna stay sin until its a problem for our group lol. sub aoe makes me mald
brazen zodiac
idk unless ur doing 25+ i think ur vibing as sin
whole wadi
im not, we usually cap out 21-23, we dont raid or anything and only play weekends really
brazen zodiac
sounds like ur gaming
drifting imp
im gonna stay sin until its a problem for our group lol. sub aoe makes me mald
Same :)
gusty mirage
i wouldn't go sin in a 24 f.ex.
I wouldn’t go into a 17 as sin
It’s just not even worth it 
vestal wren
we did a 17 with "scuffed classes" and it did not feel terrible
and we had not top end equipped people
craggy oak
Deffo >20 sin is "fine", not gunna fail a key because youre sin. but even then sub is just better in every way.
vestal wren
20 is def. a key level i would switch off
gusty mirage
we did a 17 with "scuffed classes" and it did not feel terrible
Honestly it’s more about the effort required
Like why bother
craggy oak
Even when you do bother, the result is, "is that it"
craggy oak
Wowowow
drifting imp
I do keys as sin with a Ret pally, even last season. Our group did everything on 22 and stopped there bc keys were getting harder to time on 23 and our tank just kinda didn't wanna spend the effort. So if you don't want to go for top keys like 25ish+ and stuff, meta doesn't matter. If you like playing sin in keys do it and if you don't like it play sub
craggy oak
Builder fibisher builder finisher is top end hard gameplay
craggy oak
Sin was fine when everyone was target capped in s1
brazen zodiac
Or I could activate sub, do more damage, and have to do a lot less
soft
craggy oak
ToP still feels super nice as sin imo
bleak sky
RIP to my dream of having sin be good in keys in SL
next patch habibi
10.0 year of the sin
bleak sky
bro that's so cute
gusty mirage
next patch habibi
rotund oak
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz
rotund oak
!whispyr
rotund oak
https://bit.ly/3yX1GQc
much love
yeah
im watching the external evaluation
coz there is a small arguement on guild discord
kinda need the new venthyr evaluation for externals
got Fuu's for Sub
rotund oak
❤️
vestal wren
should have the lines for each of them
rotund oak
vestal wren
(ofc you need to copy only the line you need for the specific sim)
rotund oak
this is the doc but its for NF assa
cobalt pelican
arguing about externals is crange
vestal wren
got Fuu's for Sub
my spreadsheet has all 3 specs, there are tabs at the top
rotund oak
my spreadsheet has all 3 specs, there are tabs at the top
yeah noticed much love
junior pulsar
Damn enyoing assasination so much with necrolord. How many targets before u use crimson tempest as finisher?
marble hemlock
if you talent it, you use it even on single target
junior pulsar
What do u mean by talent it? is it stronger than envenom on ST aswell?
vestal wren
for last tier talents, ct is close to ct on necro
but you wouldn't rly play ct on single target, rather venthyr or night fae
junior pulsar
Not sure im switching back to venth again in keys, Necro is so fun with their covenant leggo
subtle tundra
venthyr supremacy
viscid spear
bleak sky
not me
real bay
still no 4set, 2 out of 3 is from LFR. feelsgoodman
viscid spear
gusty mirage
Make me
limber lion
I can only pug normals
limber lion
Nah we can't do that apparently
I suggested public logging our fun runs (heroic), but apparently it was a no go
vestal wren
interessting
i mean, it often makes sense to have players actually play mechanics
and not play for logs
limber lion
Yeah but heroic is a fun run for us
Which we blast
And ignore mechanics
No clue why they want to still private log it
Beyond me
vestal wren
ye, seems weird
limber lion
I like to help out my casual friends on normal runs, but gotta save the heroic lockouts for the guild in case I can trade gear to alts or something
fading wigeon
Cev I'd like to be one of your casual friends
viscid spear
I can be a friend with benefits 
fallow otter
boys, you know why sim doesn't keep CT uptime 100%?
limber lion
Because it's impossible
limber lion
CT is low on the priority
We value maintaining SnD with Envenom and maintaining 100% uptime on garrote/rupture more
fallow otter
ah ok make sense
limber lion
Can't have em all
fallow otter
yep perfect thats what hes missin
fallow otter
doesnt look like it in logs
proper tapir
I'm not Cev, but you can refresh bleeds in vendetta but the pandemic window in half and you want to throw a new round of bleeds towards the end of vendetta (at least gar and rupt). After vendetta you can let them fall off before reapplying them
rapid tundra
Hey everyone. Looking to switch from Outlaw to Sin. Any good tips or guides out there?
willow eagle
!guides
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
willow eagle
And the pins ofc
rapid tundra
Sounds great. Thank you. Any specific weakauras or recommended ones? I'm sure there is some on here somewhere, just don't know where to look. New to the rogue spec and new to this discord
pure moth
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
limber lion
<@165215952479322112> in vendetta you refresh pandemic?
Yes
maiden onyx
iv got bored of sub spec,any idea if sin or outlaw works in pve ?
bleak sky
sin is very good in raid
outlaw is a meme in pve but can work depending on the type of content you do
maiden onyx
little mythic + and heroic raiding
hollow escarp
no more tea for almost 2 months 
viscid spear
Theotar can burn.
Why did you save him from the Ember Ward, silly?
mossy sable
So to be fair I haven't read the guide in a bit since trying it again, but in AoE as far as I understand I basically build with my fan then apply rupture on everything after using that one dot talent in the last row?
Yeah yikes tbh I feel like the last time I read it you where supposed to run Subterfuge and spread Garrote around
pure moth
you partly answered your own question at the end there.
pure moth
my group wants me to try poison bomb in dungeons .. i cringe at the thought of that lol
limber lion
So to be fair I haven't read the guide in a bit since trying it again, but in Ao...
You maintain CT as much as possible, using garrote on cooldown, maintaining SnD with Envenom and applying Ruptures to everything that lives the duration
mossy sable
You maintain CT as much as possible, using garrote on cooldown, maintaining SnD ...
Cool
Reading guide too
I'm kinda an Outlaw 1 trick and just trying Sin our, what bosses might be fun to just give it a shot
I did try Sin in LFR which went fine
limber lion
Dausegne is fun, Skolex is fun, HallyD
Once you start adding extra targets, it gets more and more hectic which might be unappealing for a first time sin
Dausegne is a good boss because you get the occasional extra add, nothing crazy
mossy sable
I currently am comfortable with 2 MAYBE 3
I do want to give it a shot in a low M+ sometime
brazen zodiac
👋
limber lion
mossy sable
Let's be real tho, i'll relapse back to Outlaw pretty fast
limber lion
sadge
mossy sable
I still enjoy Law just wanna branch out
Besides Law isn't in it's best state these days
winter gale
Can anyone tell me which text command I need to put on my rupture wa for it to count stacks?
%1.totalStacks ?
mossy sable
I did it with triggers on mine
I think this is it
It's been a while since I made it
winter gale
ty
spice spire
Not last in healing 
nova flax
Not last in healing <:PogGibbon:710010672557064293>
fleshcraft stonks
spice spire
jade minnow
I mean how can you have 15k in 24? Packs dying too fast or cds dont line up?
nova flax
I mean how can you have 15k in 24? Packs dying too fast or cds dont line up?
sin CDs in aoe hmmm
i mean also the lock fucking wrecked it lmfao look at his dam
spice spire
I usually give up the aoe dream. Obviously gambit differs because Murloc packs XD, but I’ll just open up normal AoE stuff, then just immediately turbo bang the big mob
brazen zodiac
xd
trim cairn
boutta say i had hella fun as sin
Sin is fun but Blizz for some reason smoking crack when designing FoK for this xpac
Just need to make FoK generate 1 cp per target hit like for Sub and keep the SF extra cps
So you can fish for 6 cp on cleave as well
subtle tundra
not this suggestion again
obtuse robin
lol
slow marsh
oak sky
Clearly have unresolved issues
slow marsh
duh
gusty mirage
'this expac'
did fok work differently in bfa?
echoing blades just masked how shit it was as a builder
real bay
big dam much cp's, it was good times
zinc frost
Don’t forget the gun shot sound effects that came with it.
Good sound effects increase dps
balmy condor
no they didn't
gusty mirage
they didn't?
balmy condor
no
gusty mirage
am I misremembering something?
balmy condor
it was literally just playing with 65% crit, giga pulling with no target cap, and having the rotation be fok fok fok fok fok fok fok CT fok fok fok fok fok fok fok
balmy condor
you felt like you were always max CP
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
I sometimes miss bfa
then I remember corruption existed
and islands
deleted the misinformation
sorry papa whispyr
normal mist
Imagine islands being like lost ark ones, exploration and fun rewards
gusty mirage
imagine building solo content that's supposed to be a rogue-like, then making it mandatory and miserable
normal mist
LA islands?
normal mist
😂
normal mist
I was so happy when I realized I didn't have to run Torg anymore to create legendary items for alts
zinc frost
I still think visions were worse when you need to use vessels for it. Actually disgusting
vestal wren
i was not that excited
vestal wren
but every content creator did milk it to the last drop
even in beta
while it seemed like something that is fun for a short time but gets boring fast
and ended exactly like that
verbal radish
I've seen conflicting messages about ambush. Do we use it vs Mutilate? Or no? WHat about if running NF, with the stealth ability proc?
proper tapir
Generally people use ambush when running Subt or with Sepsis procs. Muti is better when running MA.
verbal radish
Why Ambush over Muti in those cases. Can't Muti proc more combo points?
proper tapir
Yeah but it does more damage
gusty mirage
more damage, plus cp generation in opener isn't as important anymore because cut to the chase exists
proper tapir
You can always look at top logs for Sin rogues and see how they use it, that always helps me.
verbal radish
Also, surprisingly, MA simmed about the same dps as Subt. Is there anything that should make me go subt still? I'm testing both NF and Venth and seeing which I like the playstle off.
proper tapir
Idk, consider multi target scenarios too.. Like adds on boss fights
verbal radish
Good point, thankls
proper tapir
You should just play whichever you like better =)
proper tapir
I like nightstalker better from the good ol days
Nightstalker and exsang for the ultimate snapshot / empowered bleeds build. We believe in you BAE!
hollow escarp
nightstalker bis for farming transmog
viscid spear
nightstalker bis for farming transmog
mossy sable
Is PI any good for Sin?
mossy sable
split cipher
It does feel good though
solid mica
we run subter or ma on lords?
fickle tiger
WCL says Subterfuge
I see the top parses running Crimson Tempest even on ST fights, should it be maintained the whole time or just for Shiv/Vendetta windows?
severe narwhal
how far is necro sin off of kyrian sub
zinc frost
Like 1.3-1.5k in ST
fickle tiger
gz!
spice spire
Grats 
balmy condor
normal mist
now... where the fuck is the valor to upgrade all this gear
normal mist
on my like 12th one today
our holypaladin specced ret loot on purpose bcs we asked him to, he was the one to drop it
brazen zodiac
lol
normal mist
RN? 150 :Dwhich means next week ill get phial to 268 only 😦
brazen zodiac
if i get it before tuesday i wouldnt upgrade it anyways, who knows maybe i get a 278 phial in vault
normal mist
trueeee!
altough i was checking my gear for the catalyst thing and i have no 278 pieces yet, in the long run that wont be a problem tho
got a bunch of 262 gear like chest, shoulders, head, but that would require even more valor to 272 ._.
verbal radish
Was doing some NF Sin practice, now testing out Venth Sin to see which I like best. My third vendetta wasnt syncing with 2nd Sepsis. They were off by about 30 seconds. Now, I wasn't flasking, nor raid buffs of course. Could that effect that much of a difference?
Actually, I answered my own by thinking about it.
Its 4th Vendetta?
oak sky
Flask would change nothing
Should be vendetta sepsis, vendetta alone, sepsis alone, vendetta alone, vendetta sepsis
versed mica
Nightstalker and exsang for the ultimate snapshot / empowered bleeds build. We b...
whoops, wrong gif
still epic tho
thank u sir, I will do it
gritty mason
i sim higher st as venthyr over NF is that the play?
gusty mirage
yup, check the pins for more details
Cev wrote a great little write up for how to play it and why it's better, etc
gritty mason
ok thanks man
gusty mirage
ebon notch
an ilvl 272 piece from m+ will turn into a 272 tier piece from catalyst?
even if its not shoulders/chest?
ebon notch
im talking specifically about ilvl
oak sky
an ilvl 272 piece from m+ will turn into a 272 tier piece from catalyst?
IT BECOMES THE TMOG TIER PIECE FROM THE RAID
oak sky
yes
ebon notch
will it become a 272 tier piece or will it go down to 265
oak sky
balmy condor
it just changes secondaries
ebon notch
so i was wondering
oak sky
i think we can get like
ebon notch
ah i missed that first part cheers
oak sky
285 gloves
strange trail
For m+ should I use IQD or the first sigil?
oak sky
A dslice sim should pretty reliably tell you which will do more damage
marble hemlock
Mostly a dungeon issue, as you'll want your trinket up for bosses, so depending on the dungeon and the times at which you get to the bosses, that might make the choice for you. Sigil is great, but with the high CD you might be missing out on multiple casts
gritty mason
so with this new build do i not vendetta till after flag is over or just follow the rotation in the ping
marble hemlock
You sync both cds
gritty mason
do i hold to make them always snyc?
marble hemlock
Yep
oak sky
The idea is pretty much get to 10 flag stacks then immediately vendetta
marble hemlock
You hold vendetta
oak sky
As long as you do that ur golden
gritty mason
ok and duskpatch is still bis with holding?
marble hemlock
Yes
marble hemlock
Without it your vendetta CD is too long obviously
gritty mason
ya alright thanks
strange trail
Thank you c:
gritty mason
one last thing .. sorry lol theo is 100 dps over nadja is theo the play? or only on low movement fights
oak sky
theo is generally good as long as you get haste tea
but on something insanely high movement like halondrus nadjia could still be the play
gritty mason
ok
gritty mason
lol back again sorry, do i keep CT up 100% of time or only vendetta window for st
lunar otter
yo homies what lego n cov for pvp assa?
oak sky
uhhh i think theyre going nf but i would check with the pvp channel to make sure
maybe necro not too sure
storm onyx
yo homies what lego n cov for pvp assa?
Nf and necro, alot with Dusk to get more vendettas. Seen some Doomblade too
lunar otter
yeye
wooden kiln
Hello guys, if we play MfD + CT in single target as venthyr, do we always try to remake the opener sequence on each burst window or not necessarily? (Flag>Rupture>MfD>CT>Vendetta)
zinc frost
Yep, can press envenom tho if the CDs line up and you’ve just refreshed rupture
And obviously making sure shiv is up for the burst window
wooden kiln
Thanks for the fast answer man!
Any thoughts on IQD with this "around 1min" burst?
zinc frost
IQD is good for 4pc, I prefer sigil myself but IQD still good
wooden kiln
And so you IQD on first burst, then when it lines up with a cd window? Or you delay one CD window for IQD?
balmy condor
Iqd should be every 3 min and your cooldowns about every minute
Should pretty much line up all on its own
wooden kiln
If it doesn't? should I delay myself? Or just pop cd's and use IQD on next setup?
balmy condor
You would delay the iqd yeah
lunar otter
how far is assa siting behindsub now i dont see many int wclogs 😦
balmy condor
Once you get good gear it’s about equal in single target
cold rampart
anyone using cev's name plate WA?
balmy condor
I think cev is
limber lion
anyone using cev's name plate WA?
It's a plater profile, not a weakaura
but yes, I use it
glass tulip
at the risk of sounding like an idiot I just want to confirm:
using the sword from Cache to giga boost the haste snapshot is or is not better than the axe?
my initial thought is maybe but because you are adding a 5th timer into the mix you just slam axe
!cache
prisma monolithBOT
Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand
cobalt hemlock
probably im dumb but the subterfuge talent increases the every single garrote dmg not only the one you cast from stealth with subterfuge
limber lion
probably im dumb but the subterfuge talent increases the every single garrote dm...
when used from Stealth
subtle tundra
assa pumpin'?
nocturne bough
how?! what stats are you running?
oak sky
stats dont give you 20k bro
subtle tundra
stats arent gonna make you do dps
nocturne bough
how you pump ~22k in HOA lol
oak sky
good group, high key, being good at the game
subtle tundra
i fucked up xymox trinket like 3 times
it did low dmg
i do so much more ST
on assa
than sub
subtle tundra
yes
nocturne bough
theotar or nadja?
subtle tundra
gameplay wise
its fine
dps wise
fuck that
i dont do big aoe anyways
let me do big st
oak sky
yeah tru
nocturne bough
do you run mfd in dungeon or the others?
subtle tundra
i tried mfd for the first time
i usually play ds
just havent played assa enough recently
nocturne bough
DS venth> mfd venth?
subtle tundra
idk
oak sky
honestly mfd feels pretty bad in keys
brazen zodiac
good morning
brazen zodiac
pog
necro too fun tbh might try it next week on tyrannical
following quakes footsteps
limber lion
back to necro?
Honestly just play whatever I want because I only do 20's for weekly, and Necro's much more fun imo
not interested in pushing high r.io score
vestal wren
fair, i am also in the boat of only doing low-ish keys for weekly
is there a benefit for going 20 over 15-18?
subtle tundra
mobs die slightly slower so you can actually feel like youre playing!
limber lion
is there a benefit for going 20 over 15-18?
I just do 20's because you'll eventually get 3k score that way and then you can buy all 278 conduits
other than that doesn't really matter
glass tulip
20s also feel like a fun level of difficulty
Bosses don't fall over in 60 seconds, mechanics are slightly dangerous, but big wipes are still pretty easily comeback-able
brazen zodiac
mobs die slightly slower so you can actually feel like youre playing!
true quite literally seem to only enjoy doing 20s rn
cause ill be able to apply my dots!!!!
subtle tundra
bleak sky
no no
subtle tundra
fok 
subtle tundra
i smoke the shards
bleak sky
solid venture
understandable have a nice day
subtle tundra
no
i just wanted to do some assa keys to see how behind it is
and the only problem is the complete lack of aoe
in dungeons where sub funnels a lot, assa can be better
solid venture
zinc frost
any 27 in time as assa
hollow escarp
overall damage doesn't matter
vestal wren
any 27 in time as assa
gz
echo geyser
So ur saying sin > sub for funnel 
@subtle tundra
echo geyser
Would u just setup bleeds on shard pulls then vendetta st rotation on shard?
Cause fok might give u 3cp on 8 mobs
Unless u got that big crit
hollow escarp
is this good enough? 
raw plover
i think i do more dam to them as assa than sub
Than you aren't playing sub correctly
hollow escarp
echo geyser
brazen zodiac
i used it once and teleported to some death planet overrun by the legion
i thought it was gonna take me to the dungeon :(
echo geyser
hollow escarp
wtf have I joined?
echo geyser
Aliens
hollow escarp
sorry for turning this into #wow-general 
sonic schooner
!cache
prisma monolithBOT
Cache of Acquired Treasures usage:
Axe is always the strongest weapon.
Note: The Weapon rotates every 12 seconds in the order Sword -> Axe -> Wand
signal pier
any 27 in time as assa
wtf that lock is my brother
signal pier
u need to equip your gear for assa
opal solar
well this is my only
signal pier
earn some better gear since rn what you need is ilvl
minmaxing secondaries won't help you much at your stage
my sub stats (266)
subtle tundra
man
i hate necro
cba
necro in m+ when you have to do all the rogue jobs feels impossible
ashen totem
not that bad with cov legendary atm
subtle tundra
i mean in 26s
hollow escarp
I don't like mfd in fortified keys
subtle tundra
i really like it with the relics
rotund oak
<:starege:923197272064426075>
freak 💪
echo geyser
u never showed the other ppls dmg to it
rotund oak
''grabs popcorn''
brazen zodiac
i shall be waiting >:)
rotund oak
im eatin,u can argue with ram
brazen zodiac
what u eatin
rotund oak
idk what ram asked(plz,dont want to type,popcorn has salt)
subtle tundra
sub definetly has better funnel
but assa has better prio
assa isnt better than sub in m+
assa has like 2k dps more on st
ok
subtle tundra
havent played those yet
echo geyser
might add u have to play necro if u go sin in pf
echo geyser
unless u got 2 decent necros already
subtle tundra
the only reason you'd play assa is the ST
brazen zodiac
u telin me u dont like shooting green shit out ur hand like an epic villain
subtle tundra
you give up that, youre just inting
fast nacelle
the only reason you'd play assa is the ST
in a perfect world necro assa would be top pick on 2T (lords of dread)
however - apparently we are just a meme
subtle tundra
assa kinda is top pick for 2t
but not when there's a 20 sec burst phase
assa doesnt have big burst
drifting cloud
maybe before tier sets, not so sure about now
fast nacelle
talking about now with 4p 2 lego
marble hemlock
Assa is kinda slapping during the Swarm Phase now tho
Keep in mind that most of the other classes that were slightly ahead, gained little to nothing from the change.
@gusty kestrel @keen mist dunno if either of you did some assa pump on lords after the change
fast nacelle
yeah but i could have done way more dmg
i was busy not getting debuff once
also 7 tries wasnt rly a lot of time to test some stuff
anyway considering even after the change there are sv/wl/dk on top (30k dps peak)
i dont think assa comes anywhere near
(tbf not getting pi sucks)
issue is about all the externals like fae and pi its way better on other classes so you either be very inefficient and soak externals or just accept that there are no externals as long as wl/mages are in your raid
gusty kestrel
<@214798019294527490> <@117995824583016453> dunno if either of you did some assa...
not on mythic but its basically same fight on heroic anyway
fast nacelle
cache trinket could be nice depending on fight lenght
i think the crit thingy doubl dips
maybe venthyr is the play
marble hemlock
Tyrarolls has killed Lords himself
yeah but who is tyra
limber lion
yeah but who is tyra
The person you were talking to
marble hemlock
yeah but who is that 
limber lion
who was saying that assa isn't great for it
marble hemlock
some washed up boomer
limber lion
Oh I missed out on a who joke
But yeh, Assa isn't super duper great tbh
The timers are a bit awkward as well
If the phase happened like 5s later and Among Us happened 5s earlier, it would line up great
fast nacelle
yeah but who is tyra
marble hemlock
exactly
didnt know youre still playing
i think i say that everytime
you show up here
fast nacelle
i just log in for progression
marble hemlock
fair
fast nacelle
its like you hire this old navy seals veteran once a year for a fight
you better dont talk more than once to him.. hes old and grumpy
marble hemlock
still raiding with NS?
fast nacelle
marble hemlock
toph still there? 😄
fast nacelle
unfortunately 
marble hemlock
unlucky
drifting cloud
cant win them all
brazen zodiac
cant lose em all either
normal mist
between necro, fae and venthyr, is fae really behind venthyr s.t and really behind on necro cleave/aoe?
i wanted to test it out but idk if i'd be trolling
also is the wowhead fae conduits and whatever updated?
slow marsh
Fae is behind venth in both st and cleave but its better to play fae decently versus venthyr poorly
normal mist
in m+ isnt really hard to play flag properly is it? afaik we just have to make good flags in prio targets, right? correct me if im wrong please
i generally just play venthyr when i test sub
slow marsh
Kinda same reason why people just play Necro for st too is that it's a lot simpler
Yeah flag is good in m+ for prio stuff.
strange python
junior pulsar
How much overall does 4-set give u? i do 10k in mist atm with 255ilvl no tier. Can i add 2k ontop with tierset or more?
rancid nimbus
Easy more
rancid nimbus
Its not. But its more dmg
subtle tundra
define awesome
limber lion
How much overall does 4-set give u? i do 10k in mist atm with 255ilvl no tier. C...
It's hard to say because dps in m+ depends on a lot of other things than just gear and tiersets.
If you do a dungeon and your tank pulls 1 pack at a time, you probs won't see a 2k difference
but if your tank pulls massive packs, you probably will
junior pulsar
When i say awesome i mean powerful
limber lion
I mean, Assa still does less damage than a Sub would
but it's good until like +25's, which are probably still a way off for you
So you should be fine either way
junior pulsar
Rogue is an alt. But the funnest one atm. Love Sin 🙂
limber lion
Love to hear it!
junior pulsar
The little time ive played sub, i prefered Sin alot more
limber lion
Yeah, same
I play Assassination everywhere, be it m+ or raid.
You'll be fine, keep blasting :)
junior pulsar
Im surprised of the numbers. Going with necro + zoldyck. Competes well with most similar geared, got my ass handed to be from an enhancement tho. Didnt feel nice 😄
259 ilvl enhance with no tier did 13k overall in gambit
bleak sky
it's hard to judge m+ numbers
junior pulsar
Of course, I mostly do dps on all my chars, fury warr, ele and mm. So im kinda of a dps whore
vestal wren
but it's good until like +25's, which are probably still a way off for you
i think i would say lower than 25 esp. given that most players don't have super good gear/groups
limber lion
i think i would say lower than 25 esp. given that most players don't have super ...
What I'm saying is that it does not matter what spec you play
bleak sky
i think i would say lower than 25 esp. given that most players don't have super ...
once you get into the higher range of keys it's not hard to run with the same people
limber lion
unless you do keys higher than 25's
You can play Assassination all the time, everywhere if you want
it does not matter
at all
bleak sky
you run a 23 with a group, run the 24, run the 25 and so on
vestal wren
ye i agree, people do care too much about spec
esp. if they don't even push key levels where it matters
craggy oak
do we know of any spreadsheet that contains all windfury % increase
limber lion
It's pinned in #wow-general
craggy oak
nice ty
vestal wren
i also have externals for rogue specifically in my spreadsheet
limber lion
Wouldn't trust it blindly, but it gives you some direction.
vestal wren
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz
vestal wren
cev do you know how good ret is after the buffs for pi?
our ret is claiming its insane now, but that sounds a bit sus
craggy oak
@vestal wren meaning for all classes but nice one anyways.
vestal wren
fair ^^
limber lion
cev do you know how good ret is after the buffs for pi?
It's good but I don't know if insane is the right word for it. :P
brave gazelle
our ret is claiming its insane now, but that sounds a bit sus
I'd still give it to a lock
rotund oak
It's good but I don't know if insane is the right word for it. :P
if Seli is doing about 14.5-15k on halondrus mythic rn,how much do u estimate u will be doing
gusty mirage
between warrior, wl, mage and ret?
Lock > fire mage > arms warrior > how do we still have a PI available?
bleak sky
Lock > fire mage > arms warrior > how do we still have a PI available?
didn't fire mage become the best PI target?
vestal wren
ye i also think warrior is quite good before ret
vestal wren
fire mage is insane now, but we don't have a fire mage
bleak sky
ooooh
bleak sky
yeah then just give it to warlock
pure moth
We dont give pi to our ret.. he dies every pull. Not worth the external
bleak sky
all of them
bleak sky
Also someone get this warlock a PI
did those players not have their keyboards on?
what's going on there
gusty mirage
did those players not have their keyboards on?
Bro idk man
limber lion
if Seli is doing about 14.5-15k on halondrus mythic rn,how much do u estimate u ...
I wouldn't know
gusty mirage
It’s been rough out here
limber lion
My guild killed it last week already
bleak sky
limber lion
I probs get to kill it in like
2 months or something
Don't exactly want to change up teams even during reclears
gusty mirage
I probs get to kill it in like
Not if you clone yourself
rotund oak
2 months or something
why,how,why didnt u were in the kill
limber lion
maybe on farm once Jailer has been bonked
rotund oak
the f
bleak sky
2 months or something
perma extend until jailer is dead?
gusty mirage
Two cevs > 1 crab
limber lion
perma extend until jailer is dead?
Nah, we reclear but we just stick to the same teams on every boss
bleak sky
I see I see
limber lion
why,how,why didnt u were in the kill
I had a bad day so I had to sit one day out, didn't make sense for me to jump in after that
gusty mirage
I had a bad day so I had to sit one day out, didn't make sense for me to jump in...
You’re still my fav rogue hands down
limber lion
that's pretty high praise considering we're in a rogue discord
but yeh
it wasn't anything crazy, just got a lot of shit to vent through irl
would have just mega-inted
gusty mirage
I’ve been there
When you’re just off mentally no point in forcing it
Just gonna omega tilt yourself tbh
limber lion
Yeh, no way. I would have played like shit and wasted everyone's time and get even more frustrated with myself
limber lion
Just gonna omega tilt yourself tbh
yep
but the boys blasted so we're chill
gonna come back a strong boy for Lords
brazen zodiac
You can play Assassination all the time, everywhere if you want
preach
vestal wren
we need cev to have more #assassination players
gusty mirage
I want to play assassination 
limber lion
It’s okay I’ll buy him some butterscotch for the next boomers convention we go t...
Butterscotch are bomb
vestal wren
how do you like the idea of adding energy gain to ct bleed?
brazen zodiac
do it oxi
gusty mirage
But my flag stacks keep getting inted by tanks moving the bosses for no reason
brazen zodiac
live ur best life king
gusty mirage
And I’m about to throw my computer out of the window
limber lion
how do you like the idea of adding energy gain to ct bleed?
I don't like it, it would ruin the basic rotation of using gar/rup to gain energy
Would just turn into FoK/CT spamming
Yukkk
vestal wren
you wouldn't rly spam ct due to the low dps of the initial hit
gusty mirage
I’d like them to remove hidden blades and add something interesting to that tier instead
If we’re changing anything
vestal wren
but my thought is, you could potentiall have more interesting interactions outside of applying dots in aoe
limber lion
But my flag stacks keep getting inted by tanks moving the bosses for no reason
Shit's tilting when Anduin peaks behind his shoulder and parries your MA mutilate
Very poggers
gusty mirage
Shit's tilting when Anduin peaks behind his shoulder and parries your MA mutilat...
Behind boss, parry first mutilate, parry second mutilate
Then I cry
subtle tundra
Shit's tilting when Anduin peaks behind his shoulder and parries your MA mutilat...
bench gang
limber lion
but my thought is, you could potentiall have more interesting interactions outsi...
I would enjoy the interaction of applying all dots and bleeds to the absolute maximum on one target, then having one way to spread all of that on eveeything around the targer
limber lion
bench gang
gusty mirage
They could call it sepsis and it’d spray “blood” and poison the surrounding targets
subtle tundra
when toxic blade expires, all dots get applies to nearby enemies????????
(toxic blade, since i want shiv to be utility not dps cd)
vestal wren
I would enjoy the interaction of applying *all* dots and bleeds to the absolute ...
isn't that similar to what ct dot energy would do?
limber lion
isn't that similar to what ct dot energy would do?
No, because it forces you to still keep reapplying bleeds because those bleeds will eventually run out
With CT yoy press it once and have infinite energy
gusty mirage
I think adding CT to venomous sounds better than it’d actually play tbh
limber lion
Yoy press this button once, have energy for 10s and then you're starving
vestal wren
you would need to re-apply ct too tho
limber lion
Yes
Once
You press it once
Yoy have to press Rupture 5 times
To get energy saturation
Including CP to use thpse 5 ruptures
Meaning 15 gcds
vestal wren
oh, i thought your idea was to only rupture the main target and then have a ability or similar to spread it
limber lion
With CT you'd need 2-3
vestal wren
what would also lead to only 1 rupture cast
limber lion
No, I'd enjoy a new ability with a long cooldown
That wpuld allow you to do that like once every 3 minutes
An AoE burst cooldown
limber lion
Lmao
gusty mirage
In MY assa
Ngl I read that as “in MY ass” at first and was gonna hit you with the eyebrows emote
vestal wren
oh okay
bleak sky
That wpuld allow you to do that like once every 3 minutes
make it two and we're game
3 min cds feels bad
vestal wren
i think you could put interessting interections in evi or other abilities if you lower the maintainance amount of rupture
gusty mirage
No they don’t
vestal wren
that was my base idea
bleak sky
Other classes 3 min CDs actually do damage
problem is 3min is kinda sadge in m+
gusty mirage
Blades is meh as fuck
And it’s not the 3min cd
It’s the fact that it doesn’t do comparable damage to other 3min CDs
vestal wren
i think blades is okay-ish
bleak sky
do you not remember last m+ season?
bleak sky
plan routes around your dumb boomkin or else they do no damage because shit 3 min cd
bleak sky
life in general
gusty mirage
Dusk is kinda neat in keys tho
Having vendetta up for every pack is kinda cool
Makes you feel like you’re actually making an impact even though you’re not
gusty mirage
But think of the sick prio dam 
signal pier
prio dam on slimes in plaguefall 
gusty mirage
What a gamer
gusty mirage
Necro sin is actually kinda nice
subtle tundra
venthyr is where its at
gusty mirage
Deathspike just shits out refunds
So I can cry on Kevin’s shoulders while the warlock presses rain of fire and does more dps than I can ever imagine
lean meteor
ive been getting the itch to mess with 2 set in keys
question i have is
should i shiv before CT
like will that effect initial hit?
gusty mirage
Ye if you shiv first it’ll buff the initial hit as well
bleak sky
this is gonna be risky in ToP 😅
you don't have a soothe anymore
get someone else to soothe
lean meteor
i pug a lot of keys so the trust issues are rife
violet jackal
I did a thing 
gusty mirage
I did a thing <:peperogue:653671118460420115>
limber lion
I did a thing <:peperogue:653671118460420115>
Grats! Got me beat
sonic schooner
That s a lot of hps 
vestal wren
I did a thing <:peperogue:653671118460420115>
nice
brazen zodiac
I did a thing <:peperogue:653671118460420115>
lets go dude!!!!
solid venture
time for crab 
fading wigeon
So I can cry on Kevin’s shoulders while the warlock presses rain of fire and doe...
or the sub rogue just spamming BP 10 times in a row
junior pulsar
Whats the cd aprox on vendetta when using dustwalkers?
solid venture
1 min
spice spire
I did a thing <:peperogue:653671118460420115>
good shit
red plaza
I did a thing <:peperogue:653671118460420115>
Beating Cev 
spice spire
normal mist
dont mind the sub there destroying me ofc
lone flower
What overall dps as a assa rogue in 17-20 m+ is normal ?
pure moth
As Venthyr? Necro?
lone flower
Venthyr
normal mist
venthyr assa SD 19
normal mist
teach me the way senpai
carmine token
what leggo setup to run keys w/ 2piece?
zold+unity , and necro? or wait till 4pc before switching off venth?
iron orchid
With 4set and a team of people i know who have the level to do 18 to 20s, i reach 13k to 15k in avg all keys
in 18ish keys
iron orchid
what leggo setup to run keys w/ 2piece?
For overall dps, with 2pc, i'd say zold and necro
lone flower
With 4set and a team of people i know who have the level to do 18 to 20s, i reac...
Okay good thanks
iron orchid
once you get to 4pc, dusk+unity, then you'll have to see for yourself whether you want to prioritize prio target damage (with venthyr) or not
in some cases, necro is cool too
i like running PF as necro
solid mica
teach me the way senpai
The way is absolutely destroying first boss
iron orchid
The way is absolutely destroying first boss
TRUE
normal mist
With the stonedrakes right?
solid mica
once you get to 4pc, dusk+unity, then you'll have to see for yourself whether yo...
What if my prio is doing big aoe dam
zinc frost
Run mfd and go sicko mode on bosses
iron orchid
Run mfd and go sicko mode on bosses
I tried that
kinda fun
but key was too low to really enjoy
solid mica
Yeah sin takes so much setup in a pull and if its a low key ppl just degen blow everying on trash and yoou get like 4 ticks of dots
iron orchid
Venthyr in last corridor of SD
is insane
the prio you put out on the boss is stupid
solid mica
The real reason they buffed locks was so that rogues could never beat out casters in aoe
Its not allowed
iron orchid
and at leaast you get a target that lives long enough
iron orchid
they could do something like FoK generates one cp per target it hits affected by at least on of you bleeds
or poisons idk
just be easier to build but not totally a SS for sin
subtle tundra
venthyr assa SD 19
youre clearly doing something bad
trim cairn
If they just made fok build cp like storm it would be much better
Careful or you might have the regulars here go spastic on you for suggesting such a thing
subtle tundra
idk. more than play properly i cant tell you
calm hatch
hi, what's up with this new MfD build, can anyone tell me in short or is it written somewhere
solid mica
Careful or you might have the regulars here go spastic on you for suggesting suc...
Why would they do that
subtle tundra
he talking about me
cause its extremely boring design?
and makes assa straight up sub
solid mica
Na youd just be able to reliably put up max cp bleeds, isnt the point in aoe to try and have it do that anyway just would circumvent the rng of doing lessfor the same input?
drowsy parcel
carmine token
you guys on p3 now?
carmine token
fun fun
carmine token
For overall dps, with 2pc, i'd say zold and necro
I have to recraft zoldys actually because leg slot is one of my tier pieces. So according to the notes, dusk is >= zoldy in keys for 4pc+2 leggo so it would be beneficial for me to just recraft zoldy on feet now, and craft dusk after 4pc ehh?
trim cairn
Na youd just be able to reliably put up max cp bleeds, isnt the point in aoe to ...
While we're at it I would have them change the 4 pc to not reduce the duration but keep the double tick rate on bleeds/poisons
iron orchid
I have to recraft zoldys actually because leg slot is one of my tier pieces. So ...
I did this because I could afford it, dusk without 4pc is kinda meh anyways (in dungeons)
I can't tell you to do one or the other, depends if you can afford to recraft your leggo or prefer waiting for 4pc to run better keys anyway
carmine token
I usually only play venth rogue in keys, as i'm a brewmaster main. I think I'll craft zoldys on feet and even with 4set prob just use that unless its a significant improvement.
And switch necro to see how it goes in keys
clear lynx
with the new(ish) tech mentioned in the pins, do we want to hold MFD/Shiv/Flag/Vend so that they're all available at the same time?
limber lion
with the new(ish) tech mentioned in the pins, do we want to hold MFD/Shiv/Flag/V...
Yes
You use Shiv/MFD once between Flag/Vend uses
but save the second cast of Shiv/MFD for the Vend/Flag
clear lynx
thanks very much!
carmine dawn
but save the second cast of Shiv/MFD for the Vend/Flag
This is really good info
Helps people understand the rotation better. It might take the average person thirty pulls before they realize it