assassination

[limber lion]

Doesn't with 2p

Duskwalker's with 4p

[cedar edge]

4p?

[limber lion]

Duskwalkers + Unity with 4p

Everywhere

[cedar edge]

We talking pvp right?

[vale oasis]

So ive been reading alot on assass and Im not sure if Ambush is worth using ? some people says it is and some don't. Kinda confused atm

[limber lion]

wtf

[strange python]

No. There's almost no pvp discussion in this channel.

[limber lion]

Does this look like #pvp to you

[cedar edge]

oh sry

[strange python]

Cev be nice :(

[bleak sky]

pvp

[subtle tundra]

this is pve circlejerk, excuse the mongrels

[bleak sky]

The mongrels = pvp brainlet @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/undertaker-coffin-rise-who-pinged-gif-19407031

[glass tulip]

@gusty mirage I have a question about a ZJ guild

[gusty mirage]

[glass tulip]

know anything about go next?

[gusty mirage]

I do not

[strange python]

Are y'all just spamming rupture and CT during vend?

Feels like keeping both up means 0 envenoms

[limber lion]

That's completely fine

Just make sure to garrote/rupture at pandemic

and with 4p the pandemic is half that of normal pandemic

[strange python]

My brain fries trying to garrote+rupture+ct

[trail mica]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[strange python]

Without CT it's easy

Also running into SnD dropping on the opening vendetta with CT

[limber lion]

SnD > CT

CT is pretty low priority on single target

[strange python]

So are you not having huge CT uptime in vendetta?

[limber lion]

To some extent yes

but if one bleed were to drop, it would be CT

Gar/Rup give you energy back and do more damage on single target, so it's important to keep them up

and SnD is our best ability, so you have to keep that up

it changes slightly on AoE

[strange python]

I'm not positive how you would stop CT from falling during vendetta without letting snd go

[limber lion]

You let it drop

that's completely fine

[trail mica]

Is venthyr the play without 4p and with double legendary? (Raid)

[limber lion]

CT is a filler ability on single target

[limber lion]

You should sim it - Necrolord is the best overall covenant for the raid.

With and without tier set

[hollow river]

Necro > NF as an overall cov with 4p?

[limber lion]

Ye

[hollow river]

That sounds so weird

[limber lion]

NF wins in single target, but honestly the blossom field is just awful with any movement

[limber lion]

Why

[strange python]

Lots of adds this raid

[limber lion]

Necrolord already sims better in 4p than Night Fae

loll

[hollow river]

Because NF is a lot stronger in ST

[limber lion]

NF is only stronger with double legendary

But yeah it's like 1k stronger in comparison next week with double lego

[hollow river]

He said with double legendary

Ik Necro is good without

[limber lion]

Ye

But you didn't

But like I said

[hollow river]

Didn’t think I had to specify

[limber lion]

Necro is the best covenant with and without double legendary

The most versatile one

[hollow river]

But can’t you just run Korayn? For cleave

[glass tulip]

itll be interesting to have something different to do than swap venthyr to necro and back

[hollow river]

Ik obviously Necro is stronger in cleave

But I’m curious if Necro can do the same boss damage where it really counts

[limber lion]

wat

Korayn is only good with add-waves

not cleave

[hollow river]

Yeah

[limber lion]

Doesn't do much on Pantheon for example

[hollow river]

I don’t mean like, pantheon

[limber lion]

yeah well that's cleave

[strange python]

There's not a lot of single target fights

Probably a good case for NF on rygelon tho

[limber lion]

Stuff like Artificer, Lihuvim, Rygelon are boss fights with add-waves

[hollow river]

Adds are still cleave, just not sustained cleave

[limber lion]

Closer to Hectic Add Wave than cleave

[strange python]

I haven't watched, but are quasars not just insta dying on mythic?

[limber lion]

Here's 2t 5min sim

[strange python]

It's a pretty single target fight on heroic

[limber lion]

Top Gear is Necrolord Marileth

with double lego

[zinc frost]

Resets for Kevin

[hollow river]

Yes ik Necro wins in sustained cleave

[limber lion]

Necro gains a shit ton from a second target

Necro is also better with add waves

because of SBS resets

[strange python]

What're the sbs rules for marileth? Just don't overcap while keeping buffs up?

[limber lion]

Necro wins in any encounter with adds

[hollow river]

Ye but with Kevin n whatnot

[limber lion]

Sustain or waves

[hollow river]

The boss Zamage

Is what I’m curious about

[limber lion]

[hollow river]

Priority damage

Boss damage

[strange python]

What's the sbs logic with 2lego marileth?

[hollow river]

Damage done to the creature that matters most

[limber lion]

why do you change the narrative

just say that from the start

[hollow river]

I said that earlier

[limber lion]

From overall covenant, to cleave, to addwaves to boss damage

[hollow river]

That I was curious about it

[limber lion]

Ah alright

maybe I missed it

[hollow river]

Yeah I was also asking about that

[limber lion]

But yeh, Necro wins pretty much always

[hollow river]

I don’t get what the problem is

[brazen zodiac]

necro hard to play if ur nameplates are dog tbh

[limber lion]

Deathspike providing a shit-ton of combo points from any extra targets

[strange python]

I'd expect NF to be ahead on rygelon because quasars are so specific

[limber lion]

just ramps up the damage overall and on prio

[limber lion]

Nah, it's the perfect NL fight

because you get resets for days

[strange python]

Is it just getting insane Kevin uptime?

[limber lion]

and maintain 100% Kevin uptime

[strange python]

That makes sense

[limber lion]

That's one, but that's not the main thing

The main thing is sending an SBS on an add, getting 5 combo points from it

which you can then use on the boss

then you get the spike back

and send it to get 5 cp again

It's the cheapest generator we have

[strange python]

So. Heirmir single target, marileth everything else?

[limber lion]

and it giving you 5 CP for every cast is just nuts

[limber lion]

Heirmir on sustain, Marileth on waves

[strange python]

Aka pantheon vs ryg/arti

K

[limber lion]

Yeh

[strange python]

Time to run a pf/top for fracture

[hollow river]

We still just insta SBS all targets without SBS applied I assume?

Barring finishers ofc

[steel ridge]

Pantheon drops fractures

[limber lion]

Yah

[hollow river]

SBS gar snd?

On opener

[limber lion]

Yeh that's fine

On single you can do gar snd sbs

[zinc frost]

I’m keen to start yeeting out spikes in mythic + with deathspike

[strange python]

Man I hate DS in openers. Feels so trash to hit 4 CP getting the rupture up

[hollow river]

Oh I meant for single

But kk

[limber lion]

Yeh you only need 1cp to get it rolling on single

[hollow river]

And cleave is same old aoe opener I take it

[limber lion]

but it gets a bit spicy on multiple targets

[hollow river]

Yeah ik that’s been the going recommendation

[limber lion]

On 2T I would open gar sbs gar snd sbs

[subtle tundra]

on pantheon i garrote sbs garrote snd

[limber lion]

good man.

[subtle tundra]

mythic

[limber lion]

yes

very mythical

[hollow river]

Lol

[soft merlin]

with 4p and double lego, you still go necro on pantheon. right?

[winter vapor]

for any cleave necro wins

[limber lion]

Necro everywhere except Skolex and Halondrus

[brazen zodiac]

but but night fae :(

[soft merlin]

so NF only on pure ST?

[limber lion]

yas

[slow marsh]

pretty much. fights ended up suiting necro really well after dspike bug fixes so you can get mega kevin uptime which helps the otherwise lackluster ST

[soft merlin]

and you always play kevin then, not bonesmith on certain fights?

[slow marsh]

I think NF still has a chance to be relevant for some fights where ST prio is more important though since shiv sepsis does damage

Yeah after tomorrow you only play marileth

no reason to play bonersmith anymore

[winter vapor]

no chance anyone here uses threatplates? having some issues trying to get stuff to scale with the options

[soft merlin]

yeah, true. since sbs spreads

but you still play dusk/unity on all bosses except pantheon/lords?

[slow marsh]

the pantheon is debatable i think. lords is still dusk

after 4p**

don't play dusk until 4p

[limber lion]

You definitely want to play Dusk on Lord with and without double lego

[soft merlin]

ye, but im talking about when u get 2 legos 😄

ah

you wrote with and without

kekw

[limber lion]

You only play Zoldyck on it if you don't have 4p

[soft merlin]

Allright, thanks 🙂 and unity on wrist

[slow marsh]

the only reason people are thinking about zold for pantheon even after 4p is because is gets really hectic, but pretty sure it should still be dusk always no matter what

[limber lion]

Zoldyck is more damage on p3, which is the most important part and where most wipes happen

So it's a safe bet

Dusk is more overall because of p1 and p2, but those phases are kinda whatever in comparison

[soft merlin]

ye, I mean I will try both and see - but I agree, p3 is most important.

Will you guys craft unity on wrist asap?

[limber lion]

Yes

[soft merlin]

Better buy the 291 now then before it goes up

[plain plaza]

@limber lion 2-piece set Necro, Unity with Dashing until 4-piece? Then Dusk?

[limber lion]

Yeh that's fine

[subtle tundra]

cant play zoldyck cause its set slot 😦

[slow marsh]

boots?

[limber lion]

Don't think so

[echo geyser]

[subtle tundra]

nah, not gonna craft

for 1 boss

[limber lion]

and m+

bingchilling

[subtle tundra]

not playing assa

🙂

[echo geyser]

pantheon lord?

or is lord dusk now?

[limber lion]

always been with 4p

[echo geyser]

so legit only pantheon?

[strange python]

Zold over dusk in m+?

[subtle tundra]

pantheon since most important dmg is last phase

lords is important the whole 9 min

[limber lion]

Yeh

[echo geyser]

[strange python]

Will zoldyk still be fine over dusk in m+

I assume so?

[limber lion]

Yes

[strange python]

Great

[limber lion]

Both are great, just do different things

[subtle tundra]

hmmm we got pantheon to ~25% in 2 hours, can we kill tomorrow in 3.5h?

[zinc frost]

Yes, you got this

[timid cloud]

I believe in the you that believes in yourself.

[subtle tundra]

got benched on xymox cause "we dont need boss dps" so i wont have 2 mythic options :((

if we kill ofc

[zinc frost]

[timid cloud]

What was your other?

It wasn’t Vigilant & Skolex or Da-Sausage???

[subtle tundra]

i mean

2nd option

5 bosses

[timid cloud]

Oh oh. Woops.

Then you 💯 got this.

[zinc frost]

Assa or sub for mythic pantheon? I’ve heard sub is actually decent with 4pc on pantheon

[timid cloud]

I think it’s always gonna be a Sin maneuver.

Tomorrow might be easier too.

Because Bonespike.

[umbral rapids]

yeah sub is fine with 4pc on pantheon as far as i know

also a lot harder to mess up tbh

you mean deathspike?

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

[umbral rapids]

would you even play that on lords ?

[timid cloud]

Yes.

[umbral rapids]

deathspike there sounds a bit weird?

[subtle tundra]

im gonna play assa wherever i can since m+ is sub prison

[timid cloud]

Well you gotta if you play NL.

[umbral rapids]

that's exactly

why i'm asking

[subtle tundra]

yea

lords is two target cleave

perfect for deathspike

[timid cloud]

Free spikes

[subtle tundra]

with adds for resets sometimes

[timid cloud]

You net more spikes because you have to do it 1 less time.

Means more times for bleeds too on Pantheon.

[indigo mulch]

Do you get double CP from deathspike leggo though?

[subtle tundra]

yes

[indigo mulch]

Noice

[subtle tundra]

(afaik)

[timid cloud]

That’s why you go Deeper too.

You’ll just be in CP STONKS

[subtle tundra]

in 4t 1 bonespike = full cp no rng

[indigo mulch]

I was running hc rygelon

and god its actually stressful sniping shit with deathspike 😦

[timid cloud]

It will also make your opener cleaner too.

[subtle tundra]

first time on hc rygelon i was trying to do it with MFD too LMAO

[umbral rapids]

you already play deeper tbh

[timid cloud]

Well yeah, it’s just more of a reason.

[umbral rapids]

sbs is so good man

love that thing

[timid cloud]

But some people play Vigor for comfort.

[indigo mulch]

I play vigor/doomblade

on st

[timid cloud]

But you’ll just be wasting CP

[zinc frost]

Yeah It’s the one covenant ability I don’t want to see go in 10.0

[timid cloud]

I only like Flag/SBS

[umbral rapids]

flag is boring idk

[timid cloud]

I like because red.

[umbral rapids]

ER with RC is pretty fun

well it doesn't work with sin

[timid cloud]

It only is fun with Outlaw for me.

[umbral rapids]

but the ability legendary combo is really cool on outlaw and sub

[zinc frost]

Yeah flag just kinda feels a bit meh for me where as a ranged bonespike is great. Like in dungeons jumping out frontals or any incoming damage and throwing spikes is where it’s at

[umbral rapids]

flag doesn't make you do anything special

it doesn't generate CP or anything

just press it and do your thing

[versed mica]

??? You kind of have to set it up and try to line it up with things

[umbral rapids]

sure

[versed mica]

And it's exciting to press and feel the build up

[umbral rapids]

i still don't find it interesting to press

[versed mica]

Sbs you just toss and forget, and when there are multiple targets you just get more combo points from it

[umbral rapids]

like i don't feel like it interacts with my kit enough

juggling sbs resets in dungeons is satisfying to me

[limber lion]

Flag is super boring

[limber lion]

You just described Flag with the first part

5CP and Flag off cooldown?

Press and forget about it

[umbral rapids]

yeah i don't like it

[versed mica]

No

[limber lion]

?

[versed mica]

U guys weird

Owned

[umbral rapids]

got me good there ngl

[versed mica]

Destroyed

[limber lion]

Even Sepsis is more interactive than Flag

[versed mica]

Idk why we arguing, obviously sepsis is the mo-

Shit lmao

[zinc frost]

What feels good about flag tho?

[strange python]

Deeper strat opener feels awful :(

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/guilty-gear-destroyed-instant-kill-sol-badguy-gif-23533201

[limber lion]

Why?

Feels fine to me

[versed mica]

Sepsis is more interactive than sbs

[umbral rapids]

tf

[limber lion]

That's not true

[umbral rapids]

it's a whole new cp generator

?

what

that resets on death

[limber lion]

SBS is the most interactive covenant ability we have

[timid cloud]

Deeper only feels bad with blindside…

[limber lion]

and it's not even close

[umbral rapids]

and perma bleed

[strange python]

Going gar snd sbs and then Mut mut 4cp feels awful

[versed mica]

LMAO I just don't agree

[umbral rapids]

i mean there's no "don't agree"

[limber lion]

It's not about agreeing or not

It's facts

[umbral rapids]

there's nothing subjective about it

[strange python]

Feels like a lot of time waiting for energy for the 3rd Mut to rupture and then start vend shiv

[versed mica]

Dam

[zinc frost]

But why does sepsis feel better than sbs to you?

[umbral rapids]

cev i like when we think the same thing, makes me feel special

[versed mica]

Never said it felt better, just said it's more interactive

[timid cloud]

Only one way to settle this…

POLL TIME

[limber lion]

SBS is an ability that's a permanent dot on any target you slap it on. You gain combo points from using it, which can crit. The more targets you apply SBS to, the more combo points you get. If the target you used SBS on dies, you get a reset.

Flagellation is an ability that you press before a finisher that stacks up with the amount of combo points you use and does damage and increases your haste accordingly.

That's it

I'm guessing your Necrolord is literally 1 renown

and you've never played it

[timid cloud]

What’s the argument? Which ability feels more fun? Or which ability is more interactive?

[limber lion]

Which is the more interactive one

[timid cloud]

Trying to set it up right now.

[limber lion]

Fun is subjective

Interactivity is not

Lunatics think that Echoing Reprimand is fun

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[limber lion]

but they're allowed to have that opinion

[amber fossil]

that thump sound of sbs

[versed mica]

Permanent dot is not interactive
Spike getting more combo points from crit is because of an interactive sin ability
It literally just a combo point generator that yeah, is fun, but sin gets more combo points and energy the more targets there are anyway

And no, I am max renown in all 4 covs and I play Necro in raid and in m+ when we need a Necro

[limber lion]

Yes it is because you want to make full use of it by applying it on every target around you.

[versed mica]

You just mad I have a different opinion

[limber lion]

You have to literally play it differently according to the fight

Whereas Flag you play the same way

every

single

time

It's the same thing

every

single

time

[versed mica]

But more targets mean faster flag build up!

[zinc frost]

I’d rather throw out an sbs then get fuck all cp spamming FoK over and over

[limber lion]

Not necessarily

[timid cloud]

ER is not fun, that is straight delusional.

http://www.strawpoll.me/46000751/r

[limber lion]

This is not needed

[timid cloud]

Lol

It’s just for the memes.

[limber lion]

SBS > Sepsis = Echoing Reprimand > Flagellation

If we did something differently around Flag windows, then sure

but we literally don't

[indigo mulch]

Whats the deeper ppl talking about?

[timid cloud]

Flag used to be different, right? I didn’t play it S1.

[limber lion]

We don't even want to finish at 3cp

[indigo mulch]

Did i misa something?

[limber lion]

It was terrible yes

[limber lion]

Deeper Stratagem, talent

[indigo mulch]

Oh

[versed mica]

LMAO how is sepsis more interactive than ER

[timid cloud]

Yeah it was like…Coral or some shit from EP.

I think….

[limber lion]

Do you not know

what

=

means?

[zinc frost]

Its like people who think phial is an exciting trinket

[indigo mulch]

[timid cloud]

I like it cause poison.

[versed mica]

Oh I misread

[timid cloud]

More dots, dots.

[fallow canopy]

its exciting when it finally fucking drops

[timid cloud]

[versed mica]

But I guess it just my lack of knowing, u rite

[fallow canopy]

not that I would know

[limber lion]

The only thing you need to track with Flag is the cooldown

With ER you want to track the anima-charged CP and CD

With Sepsis you want to track the CD and the proc

With SBS you want to track all the targets that have or don't have it applied, the charges you have, the cooldown of the ability

[versed mica]

I ain't gonna argue with you man, I just don't agree homie

[limber lion]

What is there to argue about?

It's not something you agree or don't agree with

It's facts

[red plaza]

Oh I haven’t thought about the NF sepsis proc. Do we use it on an empowered garrote or an ambush?

[limber lion]

Ambush

[timid cloud]

Ambush

[gusty mirage]

we don't get an empowered garrote from sepsis proc

[limber lion]

Previously we also wanted to track the Sepsis duration itself to match our Vanish with the bonk at the end

[gusty mirage]

because reasons

[timid cloud]

Feels so bad to press sometimes.

[limber lion]

But we don't play MA, so that's not needed

[strange python]

Atleast ambush looks kinda cool xd

[limber lion]

Ambush is great

[timid cloud]

The energy costs, they hurt.

[strange python]

Wait explain. We match vanish with sepsis?

[timid cloud]

I actually really disliked playing it on Guardian.

[zinc frost]

Yeah felt weird not having ambush on my bars for so long lol

[limber lion]

I guess you hurt everytime you press Mutilate

[timid cloud]

Always felt worse than normal.

[limber lion]

but those were free procs

[timid cloud]

Nah.

[limber lion]

literally

if you played blndside

those are free

[soft merlin]

@limber lion how much haste/crit % you wanna aim for?

[limber lion]

procs

[red plaza]

100/100

[limber lion]

there is no certain number or soft-cap, sim it

[strange python]

Why do we match vanish with sepsis?

[timid cloud]

Oh I know. But it still felt weird, CP wise.

[limber lion]

Not anymore. We used to press it when we played Master Assassin.

[strange python]

Oh duh

[limber lion]

We play Subterfuge nowadays, so it has no interaction with it

[strange python]

I was struggling to figure out why you'd do that with shbt

Subt

[timid cloud]

Cause I really didn’t recall the CP generation I’d possibly get if I crit, & I felt like I was hitting more buttons for finishers. It was just a bit off putting, personally at least. It felt smoother in execution though, I will admit.

[soft merlin]

Tomorrow going to be expensive, crafting 2x unity for different stats, finality & akaari

[limber lion]

sheesh

[zinc frost]

2 x unity is a bit keen

[soft merlin]

Want crit/haste for sin, crit/vers sub

Worth it

[timid cloud]

Don’t say the forbidden word around Cev.

||Stats||

[soft merlin]

Oh shit, mb!!

[zinc frost]

He’s too busy giving advice to people in #subtlety

[timid cloud]

[alpine radish]

May the gods bless you with bountiful loot this vault NA

[umbral rapids]

the legendary makes ER so much better

ER alone is kinda meh

[limber lion]

yheh

[ripe gulch]

around how much haste do i need for sin

4 piece double lego

[slow marsh]

like prolly around

69%

[ripe gulch]

[limber lion]

There is no secret number or anything

Just sim yourself in Top Gear

And do what the sim says

[ripe gulch]

yeah

was just asking for a minimum number for the spec to feel comfortable

i feel like im always energy starved

[limber lion]

Yeah

and there is no minimum

Assassination is a slow spec until you get 4p

Then it's a speedyboy

[zinc frost]

We are basically outlaw rogues now, even gain AR as NF

[limber lion]

A toned down version though

[ripe gulch]

cant wait

to play nf 4 piece

[strange python]

I’m glad I discovered necro, way too fun to pass up

[limber lion]

yep

bis covenant

[zinc frost]

It’ll be interesting to see how much venthyr is played once everyone gets 4pc and double leggos.

[limber lion]

Yes, it will be interesting indeed.

[gusty mirage]

[zinc frost]

But flag is so good to press 🧢

[sonic schooner]

it s been a while since i ve seen so many "how much haste do i need for sin"

[red plaza]

I wonder if we’ll miss the “how much crit do I need for frost shards/dashing scoundrel” days

[cold rampart]

how good is MA with 4 set?

[ripe gulch]

worse than duskwalker im assuming

[gusty mirage]

the leggo or the talent

[viscid spear]

I wonder if anyone tried to hit that specifically in BfA using Expedients just to screenshot it.

[clever kindle]

to my screenshot folder

[tropic quiver]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[misty holly]

I have a confession.... I throw out 3cp ruptures all the time in M+

and I dont think it's wrong.

[hollow river]

That’s fine if they only live that duration

Or if they won’t live a 5cp ruptures duration

[misty holly]

The thing is, I don't always know how long they are going to live.

They might live longer.

But I'm only gonig to waste one build/finish per mob

when there are 8 mobs in front of me

[limber lion]

That's fine, that was specifically about Flagellation

[misty holly]

no way am I buildint twice before dropping that rupture

[limber lion]

Doing 3-4 CP ruptures is actually fine on a few targets or when setting up bleeds for the first time

But you want to default to 4-6CP bleeds after you have energy rolling

Assuming they live the entire duration

[zinc frost]

I know i meme about FoK but in huge pulls in m + you should be getting full ruptures out anyways, it’s the 5 mobs where it probably works since FoK is hit and miss there

[green isle]

is 7-8k dps for 251 ilvl +15 keys good/bad? ive been reading the guides and trying to do the correct rotation

[limber lion]

We can't really say

It depends on your group, route, tactic, pull size, dungeon etc.

[normal slate]

with 2 set and double leggo is staying necro still considered reasonable, if so what should second leggo be?

[limber lion]

You obviously do more overall in SD than you would in say TOP

[limber lion]

Yes, play Necro everywhere. Dashing or Doomblade.

[normal slate]

ty ty , i love my necro

dont want to change

[limber lion]

Good, don't have to

[normal slate]

would zoldyck be decent as 2nd in m+?

[zinc frost]

Yeah it will be decent for overall as always with necro, can do duskwalkers with 4pc for more prio damage

[limber lion]

Yes

[normal slate]

coolio, just got 2 piece last night, so I am finally trying to put my brain together

ty

[hollow river]

What if I told you I’ve found astounding ||Kyrian|| optimizations?

[zinc frost]

[sinful flicker]

hey, is it possible to have unity and another legendary on your ring slots

[zinc frost]

Can’t have two of those rings at the same time iirc

[sinful flicker]

kk ty!

[bronze pike]

how behind is venthyr sin compared to nightfae?

[bleak sky]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GMXg8KjFMLnqcu9irkBXeLDhELg2wNtG9bteEV5BsZ0/edit?usp=sharing

[bronze pike]

ty ty :D

[fleet anchor]

Would mean it’d be less annoying to swap between Assassination and Sub. So I hope you did. 😉

[hollow river]

[winged basin]

are bells of endless feast any good?

[viscid spear]

[winged basin]

TY

[sour citrus]

!opener

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[sour citrus]

Thank you.

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[sour citrus]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[bleak sky]

this is old btw

very old

[sour citrus]

Understood. Thank you. Was trying out some commands moroes whispered.

[bleak sky]

we do ambush from stealth as well now

[zinc frost]

Moroes droppin the misinformation, bad bot

[sour citrus]

Ha? Dem it, gotta catch up on reading

[zinc frost]

It’s because we use subterfuge with 4pc so we use ambush

[sour citrus]

Ah, thought with 2 pc, got me scared up

Reassessing my gear and rotation. Got 2pc and I'm still not getting better damage

[zinc frost]

You can always send logs through if you want someone here to assess it and give you tips

[sour citrus]

need opinion, I have been using phial and titan ocular to bring my crit up to 31 or 32 and then because of titan, haste to 29 or 30. That a good idea?

[sour citrus]

Will do, was afraid I'd be waaaaaaay off and I'd be disowned by the sin family 🤣

[viscid spear]

Sin family, very strict

[winged basin]

HEROIC CACHE TRINKET LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[lofty pivot]

Are rogue splaying sin in mythic+ i just tried it and my dps is CRAP 7.5k dps overall why

[glass tulip]

Delicious

Now use axe during anduin intermission and go to #1 on DPS meters @winged basin

[lofty pivot]

someone tell me if something is wrong pleaes https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear

[glass tulip]

The primary pick for high level m+ is sub because the funnel is so good but sin is still viable for pretty much all levels of keys as well

But for assassin you want subterfuge, vigor/ds, and CT at the very minimum

[lofty pivot]

Rogue just bad for AoE but good for boss?

[glass tulip]

Otherwise you are not doing any aoe

[lofty pivot]

yeah got those

Just i was doing 10k aoe while others are pulling 15K + and on boss im only getting 8k ish

I just did 14 and my overall was 7.5 so i feel that is pretty low

[glass tulip]

You can still do pretty decent damage to packs

But it also sounds like you aren't playing optimally

And pretty much every other class will do more aoe then assassin rogue, just not how the spec is made

[lofty pivot]

Myabe yeah i am not use to playing rogue in mythic just arenas lol

[winged basin]

THIS TRINK IS SO GOATED WTF

9% dps lmaoooooooo

do I only use it when I get axe for prepull?

like wait for it to rotate to axe then use?

[gusty mirage]

you wanna use it on axe only, sword is okay for sin because it gives giga haste

but axe is almost always the play

also be careful with trying to wait on the prepull for it, because sometimes it just insta swaps when the boss is pulled

[winged basin]

oh word

so like just so I got it down, its not really part of opener

unless luck

[gusty mirage]

https://wago.io/iZWGfz4vI I use this WA to track it

[winged basin]

that weakaura is absolutely goated

thank you oxi

[gusty mirage]

[winged basin]

❤️

[gusty mirage]

if you wanna see some real degen shit, play sub in a key with it and play planned execution

some pulls its legit 33% of my damage

[winged basin]

might not have 2 pc but least I got goated heroic trinket

pls daddy vault tomorrow

pls

[gusty mirage]

may you all get tier pieces in your vaults

[winged basin]

mythic 278 tier piece inc

cache bis trink tho right?

or "bis"

cache and shadowgrasp?

[winged basin]

LOL it auto swapped to wand

and I sustained like 26k for like 20 seconds

[hollow river]

bro i have one of these WAs and it does some WEIRD shit

trinket will come off cool down and it won't show me which buff it's on

[balmy condor]

that's not the WA

that's the trinket

[gusty mirage]

yeah it takes time for you to find the weapon bro

whatchu mean

[hollow river]

orly

[gusty mirage]

yea

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

buff needs to be present for you to use it

[red plaza]

Yeah CD is actually 3min 24 seconds

😂

[hollow river]

i thought the WA was scuffed to deff

[lunar otter]

hey so Heimir 2 potency for m+ ?

[barren drift]

Alright, Subt main planning Assass as offspec for the more sustained aoe fights like pantheon and lords of dread. With 4p do I go Zoldyck for that swap or Duskwalker?

Pins say Duskwalker with 4p but logs showing way more people with Zoldyck

[hollow river]

marileth

[lunar otter]

@hollow river cheers babes

[hollow river]

1: there's not a ton of people with 4p

2: zoldyck's is very good for p3, and overall in that fight

which is best for you, and your raid/parse etc idk

there's a specific way to sim it i think

pins do say to use zoldycks on that fight tho

if that helps

[barren drift]

Tyvm

[lunar otter]

an y one know how to get SBS bleed on my plates in plater

[hollow river]

If you get Cev’s profile it turns the Plates green when they’re affected by SBS

Very nice

[zinc frost]

https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr

[lunar otter]

i mway to used to my plates >.<

they just show gar rup and ct

[hollow river]

I mean you can add the debuff to your plates any way that you prefer

[lunar otter]

ye i just tried and it didnt show up lol

[hollow river]

Since it never runs out though imo it’s best to change the color of the bar

[lunar otter]

yeye woiuld be good

[hollow river]

I think it may conflict with priority targets in m+ tho

If your plates have diff colors for specific targets

[lunar otter]

ye thats why i didnt ant colour change

*want

[hollow river]

Yeah it’s been so long since I’ve used SBS in m+ idr if it conflicts or not

You could make it into a texture

Instead of diff color

So it just adds stripes to the plate

Etc

[lunar otter]

ye no idea on that one haha im not that good sheesh

[dusk summit]

It seems like most of the pinned stuff is focused on the raid and raid out put. Does anyone know if there is a difference between raid set up and M+ that can give me a hand?

[zinc frost]

But you’ll most likely want to go marileth for m + for resets and Kevin uptime. Talents are vigor/CT

From #assassination-faq

[tidal gorge]

Is that shiv timing stuff no longer relevant? Was looking around for it in case I get 4pc tomorrow, but not seeing it anymore

[zinc frost]

#assassination message this what you are after?

This is for 4pc double leggo and NF

[tidal gorge]

Yes, but it's no longer pinned or in the FAQ so I wasn't sure if that means it's no longer the go-to

[zinc frost]

Yeah I think it was in the previous 9.2 feedback fed that Whispyr had pinned there

[balmy condor]

It’s still the go to

It’s just the default now for fae

[rotund oak]

[subtle vale]

So unity at 291 will be wrist for sin rogue?

[zinc frost]

Wrist is the safe option yes

[violet jackal]

Hero damage and blood mallet have it on neck any logic behind that?

[zinc frost]

Those were the initial sims done which put it on neck, wrist is the safer since it’s least disruption to tier set and any other conflicting leggo (Akaari is on neck in case you wish to go sub) - but unity can be re-crafted if you truly want to min-max after you have full tier set

[balmy condor]

Yeah

There’s a couple slots that are somedps better

[subtle vale]

so if i only plan on playing sin neck would be better?

[balmy condor]

Nah

If you want that extra 30 dps

You would craft on helm

And get the other 4 pieces of tier

But you need to have the high ilvl on other slots

And it might not even be better depending on your gear

[violet jackal]

Hmmm but aren’t hands the worst stat wise?

[balmy condor]

It’s really questionable

[balmy condor]

No because you catalyst 285 hands

[violet jackal]

Ah that is true

[balmy condor]

The tldr is wrists are close enough to bis and usable on other specs

And if you really want to min max the minimal of gains

[hollow escarp]

you mean usable, right?

[balmy condor]

Then go clear mythic and shit and get a ton of gear

And then recraft it then

[balmy condor]

Yes

[glass tulip]

Axe DoT is too strong

2.3 million damage over 2-3 uses on Anduin

[inland heath]

so how shity are we going to be on mythic+?

[zinc frost]

Not so much shitty more so sub very much better

[umbral tulip]

Does this mean the dots will actually do damage as well?

Or that they will just be there if you do it fast enough to get back

[hollow escarp]

hope it works for SBS

other bleeds will fall off anyway

but if they do damage, it would be good to reapply them before phase

[umbral tulip]

How are you kojack

Did u find somewhere to raid

[hollow escarp]

yeah

[umbral tulip]

[hollow escarp]

joined a guild at the end of sod

[umbral tulip]

That’s good, how’s your prog going?

[hollow escarp]

27% xymox, also killed skolex yesterday

[umbral tulip]

Mythic?

Huge

[hollow escarp]

yeah

[umbral tulip]

U cleared all of heroic too?

[hollow escarp]

except Jailer, yes

[umbral tulip]

Damn nice dude, blasting

[hollow escarp]

only warriors want to kill Jailer anyway

[umbral tulip]

[surreal flower]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[surreal flower]

so with aoe is there no situation where you just spam knifes and crimson tempest? you just refresh when its low while applying rupture to more targets?

[zinc frost]

Yeah no need to spam CT, just reapply like everything else

[balmy condor]

You can spam CT if you have the energy intake (about 4 bleeds worth) and roughly 38 targets

[patent granite]

38 targets....that sounds doable

Tanks just need to pull more

[balmy condor]

I had to run the numbers for a prick that didn’t believe me

[hollow escarp]

so not even worth doing it on the big blob pull in Plaguefall

[balmy condor]

And not worth in ardenweald unless you pull every crane, have a cast go through which would aggro every crane, the dragon, the pack after the dragon, all the hidden mobs, and you manage to find a way to stack them so your CT can actually hit all of them

[patent granite]

ill run that strat by my tank, im sure hell agree to it

[balmy condor]

You’d have to pull everything after the wall trap tunnel to the pat before the boss

And it would be like +0.5%

[hushed dirge]

It sucks have to craft multiple leggos for Sin.

[balmy condor]

As opposed to sub, which has to craft the same amount of legos

I agree

Tragedy really

[surreal flower]

ok I will remind my tank to pull around 40 targets

easy

[hushed dirge]

At least with sub I only need to craft 2 leggos vs 4 with sin. (Unity excluded).

[balmy condor]

FOUR?

[hollow escarp]

only need to craft like 5 legendaries if you wanna play assa and sub

[balmy condor]

My guy what fucking legendaries are you crafting

You are out of your god damn mind

Crafting 4 legos on sin

[hollow escarp]

Unity, Duskwalkers, Zoldyck, Finality and Akaari

[balmy condor]

I can’t even name 4 sin legos and I write the fucking guide

[surreal flower]

LMAO

[hushed dirge]

Outlaw has the easiest time with one leggo to upgrade.

[balmy condor]

Duskwalker, zoldyck, dashing, the one that’s like dashing because it does the same thing and sims equal but it’s for necro, the shiv one that no one uses

What else is there

[hushed dirge]

Doomblade

[hollow escarp]

[balmy condor]

(Yes it’s a joke, that’s the bit)

Realistically you only need 1 lego on sin as well

[surreal flower]

gonna craft 291 tiny toxic blade

big shiv pumper

[hollow escarp]

if you check logs, all top rogues play it

[balmy condor]

Idk who told you to craft 4 legos for sin

But they are smoking crack my guy

[soft merlin]

Hahaha

[hollow escarp]

I would say even Zoldyck is optional ngl

[surreal flower]

I guess he could be counting deathly shadows prepull?

[zinc frost]

Gotta have 4-5 leggos for sin, another unity because it gives me 30dps on helm, then another unity for sub because can’t have haste /s

[balmy condor]

It’s not worth on sin

[hushed dirge]

So far I have had to craft 3 leggos already.

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Unity, and Duskwalker

[soft merlin]

Unity, Dusk, Zoldyck

Should be enough

[hollow escarp]

more than enough

[surreal flower]

yeah I haven't played sin rogue much

[balmy condor]

You can skip the zold prolly

Or if you only play sin on dread/panth

[soft merlin]

Prolly, but I want to play it in p3 for Panth

[balmy condor]

You can skip the dusk

[hollow escarp]

tbf, unity + finality on sub 4 set in keys makes it not even worth the effort to play sin in keys

[thin trout]

i have 1 set piece with killing evreything on heroic and normal and LFR since it's released (okay -1 anduin heroic first week)

[soft merlin]

I have my sin legos, just need to craft 2x unity, finality + akaari

[balmy condor]

2x unity

[surreal flower]

I was gonna learn sin for like TOP

[balmy condor]

[solid venture]

[surreal flower]

idk I hate sub in TOP

[balmy condor]

What fucking game do you guys play

[soft merlin]

Hahaha I knew it.

[hollow escarp]

not worth the 40 dps

[surreal flower]

new update if you craft cov lego and unity to get stacking buff

[soft merlin]

For sin and sub (not going to use the forbidden word)

[balmy condor]

People will craft 25 legendaries to compensate for their depression or lack of friends or something

[soft merlin]

for sub is mainly for m+ tho

[surreal flower]

gotta craft unity in every slot because you can!

ya never know what blizzard does at the end of expansions!

[hollow escarp]

unity on bracers and call it a day

[zinc frost]

If you craft unity on wrist the small amount of haste is so minor for sub even in m +

[balmy condor]

My bags being full of 291’s gives me comfort on a warm winters bench

Watching my guild prog a boss

If only I filled my bank with 291’s as well

[surreal flower]

I read that as literally watching ur guild prog a boss

[thin trout]

lol jokes on u I have 20 legendaries

[surreal flower]

because i do

to close to home

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

Bro why

What are you doing

[subtle tundra]

Stop hurting me

[balmy condor]

Why would you ever need that

[surreal flower]

Cancelled my sub

[thin trout]

i have no friends

[zinc frost]

Hard to swallow pills

[hollow escarp]

man, first pull in plaguefall

[thin trout]

plus only 1 set piece so i need to compensate

[hollow escarp]

I may be bad

but still

[subtle tundra]

I know kojack, I gave up on assa. Maybe some deathspike troll keys but nothing serious

The numbers just aren't there

[zinc frost]

If you said this was the end totals I also would have believed

[hollow escarp]

it will be good in high keys when stuff lives enough, am I right?

[surreal flower]

idk if I am hard on the thinking sin would feel better on TOP then sub

[hushed dirge]

Sin keys with no set bonus.

[balmy condor]

Like okay, let’s count.

1. Obed
2. Echoing
3. Ma for pvp
4. Dashing from 9.1
5. Doomblade from 9.0
6. Zold
7. Finality
8. Deathly
9. Celerity
10. Blunderbuss cause you jumped on the hype train too early
11. Greenskins cause you jumped on the hype train too early
12. Shadowdust cause you’re weird
    13…. Uhhhhhh….. idk different stats I guess

[surreal flower]

idk I just hate the first boss and majority of pulls that are like 3 2 pulls

[subtle tundra]

No. Set bonus does close to nothing in m+ for us

[thin trout]

lets say i have multiple with different stats

but luckily not 292

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna lose my shit

[thin trout]

and oi Shadowdust isn't weird

[zinc frost]

Then there is sub tier, free damage with no extra work gg e z

[surreal flower]

wheres my tiny toxic blade!

[hollow escarp]

I can't wait to disenchant 3-4 legendaries tomorrow

[surreal flower]

bis rogue lego

[thin trout]

u didnt'even write sStable Phantasma Lure that I have because LOL

[balmy condor]

I had one guy send me a stat weight sim and ask me if he should craft unity haste mast because that’s what his best stats are

And I had to breathe

Real deep

[subtle tundra]

Fucking tilts me when I see shadows trike dmg 2nd on my meters at the end of the dungeon. Literally barely use it

[balmy condor]

I must’ve counted to like a thousand in my head instantly

[soft merlin]

[balmy condor]

Does it tilt you more than seeing fan of knives under cache

[hollow escarp]

craft multiple unities for transmog sets

[balmy condor]

Too soon?

[hollow escarp]

[surreal flower]

[balmy condor]

You’re not a real person

[hushed dirge]

[surreal flower]

[balmy condor]

[opal berry]

So im trying to improve my gameplay and i was reading through the faq and it says always finish max-1 cp. So my question is why, i mean should i ever go for that fifth cp like with a garrote or something or its always 4cp sans DS

[surreal flower]

where is whispyr M+ streams 😦

[balmy condor]

You can go for a 5th cp with garrote but it often doesn’t line up like that

It’s not inherently better in any way, just more energy efficient

Instead of 4cp for 30 energy, you’re doing 5cp for 30 energy

[hushed dirge]

If only you could wear multiple class leggos.

[balmy condor]

My rat +15 weeklies that I bang out on Monday mornings

I kinda really hate the season affix

[surreal flower]

yeah its pre weird

[balmy condor]

Maybe once I get tier and gear and stuff I’ll do some higher keys

But right now I can’t be fucked

[surreal flower]

am I the only one who liked prideful

for some reason

[balmy condor]

Prideful better than this imo

But having to skip prides

Really cringe

[hushed dirge]

I timed a 17 PF earlier in the week and 17 HoA earlier tonight.

[balmy condor]

Nice

[surreal flower]

18 SD and convinced I never want to do that dungeon again

that 2nd boss on tyran

Would rather do anything else

[balmy condor]

Only took you… 9.0,.5,9.1,.5,9.2 FIVE patches to figure it out

[hushed dirge]

SD is easy on tyrannical week.

[surreal flower]

idk man u do 1 small mistake on 2nd boss without lust

[balmy condor]

Yeah tell that to the tanks doing 3rd boss

[surreal flower]

and you basically gg the key

[balmy condor]

[hollow escarp]

when you check damage breakdown and some dps didn't even touch the add

[hushed dirge]

Just cycle the immunes on the third boss

[balmy condor]

We were doing a 23 tyrannical sang last season and my tank literally just ran out of CDs and externals to call for and the boss one shot them insta

[hushed dirge]

If you have enough immunes you can cycle them on the 3rd boss making it easier for the tank.

[balmy condor]

How are you gonna immune the tank mechanic

[surreal flower]

assuming u have enough immunes

+that

[balmy condor]

It ain’t the orbs that hurt

It’s the spikes dude

You want me to bubble taunt as a rogue?

[hushed dirge]

I cycle the orbs

[balmy condor]

The orbs aren’t a problem

[surreal flower]

DOS manastorms bleed on high keys

quite fun for tanks

[balmy condor]

Oh yeah that’s a fun one too

[timber gale]

good luck on your vaults today gamers

[opal berry]

Thanks @balmy condor

[timber gale]

one day I’ll have 4p and legos just in time to do really medium damage

[surreal flower]

currently 0p with 2 normal clears

[hushed dirge]

I just want my second tier set piece.

[timber gale]

I’m 1/4 & gonna make duskwalkers today

No one can stop me

[balmy condor]

Live your best life

Craft 7 legos like that guy earlier

[timber gale]

this is the 2nd legendary I’ve crafted in the entire expansion

I’d rather just slam the one I know I want eventually

[zinc frost]

What? You aren’t crafting 2 unities and all the sin leggos? Strange

[timber gale]

me broke

[opal berry]

Thats what im doing, had flag since last patch and made my dustwalkers so i only need to recraft my unity @timber gale

[timber gale]

my dk: 291 legendaries instantly

[balmy condor]

ackshuelly should be crafting 7 unities, sin m+ raid pvp, sub m+ raid pvp, and outlaw

[timber gale]

My rogue? Busted gear and making it work

[zinc frost]

All min/maxed for the 30 dps

[timber gale]

my ascended brain take. rogue isn’t fun if you’re good at it

[hollow escarp]

[bleak sky]

truly a cooked take

[balmy condor]

I mean, you’re right, I’m miserable

[timber gale]

it’s fun when you’re mostly bad but have a pull where you actually pop off

[bleak sky]

with 4p sub everyone can feel like that

[zinc frost]

Or popping off every pull only to die on kill and grey parse like a chad

[timber gale]

rogues have this try hard stigma but really I just love bein a little stabby loser that sometimes rules.

Prepull? timers? Mankind was not meant to put forth this much effort

[balmy condor]

We only do ERP here (extreme raid progression)

[timber gale]

ERP

Exsanguinated Ruptures & Poisons

[balmy condor]

Prepull cringe is this way though -> #subtlety

They’ll sell their first borne on the black market if it means avoiding slice and dice once in a 12 minute fight

[zinc frost]

Oh no I had to cast snd for my second ability, life is in shambles

[balmy condor]

“Snd during cooldowns feels like such a loss”
Then don’t cast it

[hollow escarp]

"opener feels smoother"

[balmy condor]

Yeah “smoother”

[hollow escarp]

just like some brains

[balmy condor]

The s is for sex, cause I’m sexing your moother

[zinc frost]

Thank god they fixed that dust pre pull; I didn’t think anything could get worse then deathly

[balmy condor]

Deathly back

[zinc frost]

Speaking of deathly, remember when everyone started using deathly in keys as outlaw? That was cringe

[balmy condor]

Some still do

[zinc frost]

[balmy condor]

Because urh vanish cooldown lower yes

[subtle tundra]

Some still play outlaw

[strong sedge]

my ventry 4 set + 2 leg sims higher then nf

[hollow escarp]

what talents?

[strong sedge]

2-2-1-2-2-2-1

didnt try deeper yet

[hollow escarp]

deeper is good

[strong sedge]

ye with deeper even higher

[zinc frost]

Link sim?

[hollow escarp]

you simmed obedience

not unity

[strong sedge]

ah thats why forget it 😄

with unity ventry still higher

like 170 dps not so much

[rotund oak]

[trail mica]

Is it normal for dashing scoundrel to sim lower than doomblade (2p set) in both st and m+ ?

everybody keeps recommending it

[rotund oak]

if it doesnt sim higher dont use it tbh

im using doomblade even if dashing is something like 50dps more

from tommorow it wont matter anyway 😛

[trail mica]

i still dont have 4p so it will matter for me

[real bay]

imagine having more than 1 piece

week 8 soon lmao

blizz fkd up by making the token war rog monk. barely anyone to trade with

[timid cloud]

Only monk you want in your raid group is the tank.

[hollow escarp]

or healer

[timid cloud]

MW dead.

[hollow escarp]

[trail mica]

Only 1 piece for me too, 7 vault slots since day 1 of raid

[timid cloud]

Holy Priest does its job better without it going oom in 3 globals.

Take cubes off if you raid with a MW without an Innervate, you won't get a second cast, it'll go to mana.

[winged basin]

I just came to a revaluation even more important then cache on my morning commute to work. Double leggo means I FINALLY get to use deathspike leggo guilt free no punishment, cause unity and I think that hypes me up for keys more than literally anything

I get 2 pc from vault obviously cause I’m giga chat and I just mega push keys this week

[vestal wren]

have fun then 🙂

[winged basin]

I will indeed, I got heroic cache last night, so the amount of AOE I feel inc… maybe I too can pretend I’m a sub rogue while staying on sin

[subtle tundra]

lol

its good to be positive

[timid cloud]

I need me some of whatever that is you’re smoking.

[hollow river]

Same

Desperately

[timid cloud]

[solid venture]

[winged basin]

whatchu mean, am I really coping that hard?

Wait I’m confused, what did I say

[subtle tundra]

Yes. Once you get 4p sub is much much better than assa.

[winged basin]

It’s better now lmao, I know that, that’s why I put copiumfrog

[subtle tundra]

With 2 set only, assa kinda equal to sub but sub still has funnel

[hollow escarp]

2 set sub in keys is not great

4 set though

[winged basin]

yeah for sure, I’ve just wanted to use deathspike all xpac without being punished for using a meh leggo

I’m sin only, I’ve tried to play sun and can’t, enjoy sin play style too much

[subtle tundra]

I mean, its still being used at a cost

It's not free

It would be another leggo for other covenants

[winged basin]

Doesn’t it swap effects based off your current covenant?

So if I go Venth it swaps to obed

[subtle tundra]

Yea, I can see a world where you can try to play necro assa with zoldyck but then you would still do worse aoe than sub and worse st

[subtle tundra]

That's what I'm saying

[winged basin]

ahh I see I see

[subtle tundra]

It's not free

[winged basin]

subs numbers mean little to me cause I rarely push past timing everything at 15 cause I’m disgustingly bad at keys, my only use is in raid and I’ll be NF for that anyhow

[subtle tundra]

If you play assa in m+ you can at least be the best st, if you play necro that won't be the case

[subtle tundra]

If you only go to 15s, then go for it king

[hollow escarp]

even for keystone hero should be fine

[subtle tundra]

Yesterday I did a 15 boost on sub and I finished at 19.8k overall. I can't even dream of that on assa

[winged basin]

maybe I should just suck it up and go sub, but my brain is dumb, and for some reason I literally can’t get it down, so I just stick with my comfy place. I’ve played sin for the last 6 expacs

[hollow river]

Nah just hella hype

[subtle tundra]

Play what you want. It's fine