assassination

[lunar otter]

Yea im just at work lonely looking for chats with bros

[fallen quest]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[limber lion]

Not too bad

It's definitely a party in melee

[subtle tundra]

hmm 15.4k in 21 nw

[limber lion]

poggie

I did 15.7k in SD

it's pretty fun

[obtuse robin]

as sin?

[subtle tundra]

yea

[limber lion]

but SD is op

[bleak sky]

these 2 are onetricks

[drifting cloud]

how much of that is trinket varas

[bleak sky]

sin OTP

[gusty mirage]

ok mr. havoc dh

[glass tulip]

Tier set enjoyers man, you love to see the sin boys getting some time in the sun

[bleak sky]

I'm a multiclass multispec multirole menace machine

[subtle tundra]

i was also venthyr in that nw, i want to try nf

[gusty mirage]

multideez

[subtle tundra]

gonna play a few more with my crit tea though

[subtle tundra]

6.1%

[slow marsh]

Yep

[gusty mirage]

Unstable Antimatter

[strange python]

is this with 4 set? mr cev

[limber lion]

Yes

[strange python]

i see, ty : )

im really getting annoyed with the affix while playing sin

tab switching and garroting a relic is the most annoying thing

[limber lion]

Yeh

It sure is

Gotta tab and pray

[strange python]

whats the best way to approach the affix? like in a boss fight? garrote boss and just fan of knives? and let your other dps kill whatever?

[limber lion]

Gar boss, gar the relic, then full focus boss

[strange python]

ok sounds about right

i thought maybe fan for the cp wouldve been good

[limber lion]

Once the actual giant spawns, then you throw a vanish gar on boss and gar on the add

and slap a rupture on him

then just continue hitting boss

[strange python]

Alright thanks

rn im doing like 10k-11k maximum in keys, trying to get better

[limber lion]

Just play it a bunch and you'll get better and better :)

[strange python]

just a 3 piece boy rn

[brazen zodiac]

nah fuck that full slam that fuckin relic

so much shit on the screen i want that relic dead lmfao

on some bosses i feel like the wuh relic's frontal doesnt even show xd

[glass tulip]

We found out last night one of our hunters has been playing with projected textures off for the whole tier

[brazen zodiac]

lol i found out about that mid 9.0 when someone asked why i kept getting owned to the fracture cast from the gargoyles in SD lmfao

[glass tulip]

"what cast"

He said there are swirlies in the anduin down phase?

And our whole raid went

[lean coral]

which cov?

[oak sky]

but only for this tier....

i would be questioning if they were ever on

[limber lion]

Necro

[lean coral]

with dusk i assume

[limber lion]

Probably yeh

[oak sky]

marileth is giga in m+

[lean coral]

got 4pc this week havent tried sin yet

outside of 2s

using it to carry my ass to 1800

[glass tulip]

I mean he was fine in SoD bosses

So either he got real lucky, or it got turned off recently

[strange python]

marileth better than bonesmith?

[oak sky]

I think so

[strange python]

ive just leveled necro to 80 so ive never used it before

[oak sky]

you get so many resets

I was getting like

close to 90% uptime on kevin

[strange python]

interesting, i have no idea how it works

[oak sky]

depends on dungeon of course but I think marileth is the move for m+

[woeful cipher]

is duskwalker the play in m+ over zoldyck with 4pc? FAQ seems to lean Zoldych > duskwalker

[limber lion]

Both are fine, they serve a different purpose

Zoldyck is likely more overall damage, Dusk provides more consistent Vendetta opportunities for massive prio damage

[rotund oak]

killed 7 heroic bosses tonight

idk how i can perform as assa in vigilant guardian and pantheon though

[tulip kernel]

You won’t

Compared to cleave classes

[rotund oak]

basicly from next reset

ill blast the boss in burn phase

im just not sure how to allign sigil trinket and IDQ with vendetta windows,a mechanic sometimes can cost like a shiv

kinda cringe

need to be patient

need time to master it

what is cringe is that,FCM sims higher than IQD

i literally cant believe it

[oak sky]

iqd blows

[strange python]

262 iqd is worse than 252 phial for me

[oak sky]

good

lucky you

[strange python]

i was excited getting it

lol

[oak sky]

i mean

i would feel pretty shit about getting a trinket that can heal some idiot or give your healers mana

[strange python]

true

[oak sky]

even if it can do decent damage

[limber lion]

Assa is fucking amazing on Pantheon

[strange python]

very fun too

[red plaza]

Especially Necro

[oak sky]

i really wish we could get p3 damage stats comparison by class

[lunar otter]

Has any one got videos of keys running 2pc and 4pc

[umbral rapids]

no u

it's actually mad fun on it tbh

i'm not a sin player at all but damn i had a lot of as sin in there

[jaunty kayak]

so im trying to simulate a hc dreads fight (2 patchwerks for 9 mins on avg on wclogs) and as necro, doomblade simmed higher than zoldyck 🤨 isnt it a bit weird?

[limber lion]

No, it's completely normal

Do you have 2p or not?

[jaunty kayak]

i do

[limber lion]

It's pretty normal

Just follow your sims

[jaunty kayak]

hmm, aight then.. it just surprised me that execute is not that valuable xd

also.. it simmed 25 crit and 35 haste 25 mast 10 vers the best xdd what a shift from 15 haste and 45 crit kekw

[limber lion]

I mean execute is valuable as a niche thing in itself

even if it sims less

but Lords isn't really a fight where you'd benefit that much from execute, unlike Pantheon or Guardian for example

[jaunty kayak]

yy pantheon is 100% ofc

[split grail]

Question: If I run CT in a m+ is it worth using it on st bosses for the extra bleed or is it a waste of cp?

[limber lion]

It is worth, yes

[split grail]

ty

[limber lion]

Unless you play Dashing or Doomblade

which you shouldn't

[split grail]

I'll be switching to dusk/unity on tuesday

[grizzled orbit]

@balmy condor That pin you dropped with the sim a few weeks ago expired. Any way to get it back? https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9fW6rpuNpRW91VPqpMmUEb

[balmy condor]

I have the input sitting around

I might get back to it

A lot of the expired sims just kinda aren’t important because the info is now common knowledge or easily self-simmable

But the dagger comparison might be something

[grizzled orbit]

yeah, I was just using it as a guideline to show some fellow rogues. No big deal. Thanks!

[balmy condor]

Np I’ll hit you up with an updated link

I think fuu’s sheet has some comparisons though

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[balmy condor]

If you’re just looking for some general comparison

[carmine token]

Whispyr, im a non-2set having rogue, for next week i should just craft something or use zoldys + unity for keys eh?

Currently am using obedience on cloak so obviously i'd want to at least double leggo it

[glass tulip]

Double leggo no tier is unity + dashing according to #assassination-faq

[carmine token]

Yer a gentleman and a scholar, thanks

[storm belfry]

For keys it will be zoldyck and Unity not dashing

@carmine token @glass tulip sorry for ping Cev

[carmine token]

okay so i am right xD

good, one less leggo to farm

[oak sky]

mav was probably looking at raid

[storm belfry]

yeah like i was too 😛

when i first asked, which is why i pinged to the convo

[limber lion]

Yuuup, Dashing is only decent in raids but falls flat in m+

[glass tulip]

just get tier 4head

[limber lion]

But you should always still sim Top Gear yourself to see which one is the best for you

[oak canopy]

What's the opener in a fight like dreadlords with Necro?

[glass tulip]

You can also turn off pings on replies :)

[limber lion]

Something like garrote - sbs - garrote - slice - sbs - muti - rup - vend - shiv

but doesn't honestly matter too much

just get garrotes, bonespikes and ruptures rolling asap and you're chilling

[balmy condor]

What if I gar-gar-sbs-slice-mut-sbs-rup-shiv-vend

[limber lion]

gar sbs gar sbs slice is perfectly fine too

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

very good.

I like it

Picasso

[balmy condor]

What if I delay opener because I run into the very first sleep puddle and don’t get dispelled

[glass tulip]

Is it a waste to slice with so many CP instead of throwing up a rupture

[balmy condor]

Nah

[limber lion]

not really because you want to use subterfuge garrotes

and get sbs up asap

[balmy condor]

High cp snd is fine in cleave too

[limber lion]

yeh

[balmy condor]

You spend so much time getting bleeds up

[gusty mirage]

you're fine in cleave and st

[limber lion]

I do a 5-6CP slice on Pantheon everytime

feels good

[balmy condor]

Yeah, that’s it, I’m just “fine”

[gusty mirage]

fine af

[balmy condor]

87 average heroic parse fucking mediocrity looking dumbass piece of shit

[limber lion]

hey now

[glass tulip]

[limber lion]

you're a rockstar

[gusty mirage]

damn bro 5 higher than me

[glass tulip]

Our little rockstar

[balmy condor]

Can’t loot tier

Can’t loot vaults

Can’t get anything out of m+

[oak sky]

L

[gusty mirage]

I'll funnel you loot on normal bb

just don't do it on mondays

tf

[balmy condor]

The last 5 drops I’ve gotten from m+ have been 4 wrists and a belt

[gusty mirage]

or tuesdays

[balmy condor]

Perfect for when I slit mine and need a replacement

[dusk summit]

Thats cause Blizzard hats us M+'rs

[oak sky]

Cev call me a 98 heroic parse fucking mediocrity piece of shit like one of your german-american eboys

[gusty mirage]

278 mh + 2pc gamer + L + ur bald

[oak sky]

Mediocre fotm sub respeccer

[gusty mirage]

imagine taking a 278 ring and 278 mh from vault

and getting 2pc still

LOL

[lunar otter]

Nopcnopass sadge

[oak sky]

The ring was like a 30 dps upgrade very big!

[gusty mirage]

whose dick did you have to suck and are they looking for anymore head? cuz DOG I NEED HELP

[oak sky]

Ill probably get 4p after you

No lie

[gusty mirage]

I'm out here running lfr for pants

[lunar otter]

Me 2 oxi

Standard game plan

[oak sky]

Im missing our reclear raid day on tuesday which means i miss heroic first 3 tier and all normal tier bosses

[gusty mirage]

unfortunate

[oak sky]

And im missing monday so I miss heroic dread kill

[gusty mirage]

why are you guys raiding 6 days a week

wtf

[oak sky]

And i might miss wednesday which would be at least dread rekill maybe rygelon kill

???

We raid 3 bro

[gusty mirage]

it's okay you'll feel better about not having it with less kills

trust me

[oak sky]

I'll be extremely tilted that I don't have it

[gusty mirage]

heroic tier kills

normal tier kills

[oak sky]

Oh youve done rygelon already

[gusty mirage]

yeah bro got a fat 74g

huge

[oak sky]

Lucky

[gusty mirage]

why am I lucky

[oak sky]

You get higher chance in vault

[gusty mirage]

I took shoulders from vault

[oak sky]

Idiot

Oh

[gusty mirage]

I have them idiot

[oak sky]

Isnt chest from rygelon

And shoulders from dread

[gusty mirage]

wouldn't know

I've looted one token in that many kills

[oak sky]

I guess i got 2 tokens in what

[gusty mirage]

my loot from raid: 2 cloaks, 2 trinkets, and that normal chest

[oak sky]

6 kills

And i have more kills now

No more tokens

[gusty mirage]

you want an elegy bro?

you can have it

it's sitting in my bags

[oak sky]

From heroic ive gotten 2 tokens a ring a cape a hat

It was all in 1 week except the first token

Oh and i had a belt traded

[gusty mirage]

I'd rather take tokens than 2 trinkets and 2 cloaks from heroic

[oak sky]

Cloak is gonna be good next week oh wait still dashinf

Dashing

Kekw

[gusty mirage]

still dashing?

tf

[oak sky]

With double leggo no tier

[gusty mirage]

you have 2pc

[oak sky]

So

[gusty mirage]

you can't tell me dashing sims better than doomblade or zold

[oak sky]

It definitely sims better than zold in st

Not sure about doomblade they should be similar

[gusty mirage]

they're not

[oak sky]

I have both and theyre both on cape either way

So it definitely doesnt matter

[gusty mirage]

make them dashing boots to feel better

desperate times my guy

[limber lion]

I simmed double lego for next week

and it's +1k dps

which is kinda nuts

was very surprised

[oak sky]

Im not recrafting a leggo that dies in like another week

[gusty mirage]

its that 4pc difference

pretty sure unity bracers aren't going to be a 1k dps gain for me

tbh

[limber lion]

yeh

[gusty mirage]

its okay

you'll give me good juju for my vault ye?

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

I'd like the helm instead of pants, but I'm not about to get picky

I just want to get rid of my 252 gear

mfers running around at 267+

and I'm at 260 w/ 291 zold equipped

[limber lion]

I'm 265 with my best setup

the 246 ring tanks it a bit

[gusty mirage]

ye

its okay you can get a 272 one next month

[hollow escarp]

[bleak sky]

260 gang

[gusty mirage]

also FCM isn't top anymore

[bleak sky]

very depresso

[limber lion]

can't wait

[gusty mirage]

so fuck vault of the wardens

I'm not going into that piece of shit dungeon again

[limber lion]

I actually simmed droptimizer for me

and the biggest upgrade is the Mists neck

without a socket

[gusty mirage]

wait

do you not have KT neck?

[limber lion]

it's like 240 dps increase at 272

I do

with a socket as well

but the 272 MASTERY/CRIT neck is apparently super omega good with 4p

gotta start actively simming enchants/gems isntead of slapping haste on everything I guess

mastery stonks on the rise

[oak sky]

what about jailer neck

[gusty mirage]

I have it with a socket at 262(?)

[oak sky]

mastery crit haste

[gusty mirage]

jailer neck is garbo tbh

[oak sky]

oh maybe it just likes mastery because other gear has a bunch of haste

leggos etc

[limber lion]

the heroic 272 is aight, like 58 dps

but for some reason the mists neck is 240 dps

[oak sky]

mastery crit mists neck?

[limber lion]

some hidden omegastonks mastery soft cap

yeh

[oak sky]

interesting

I've just been running the kt neck

don't have anything better yet

[gusty mirage]

I'll log in and resim it

but idk even at 272

it simmed less than the KT neck for me

with a socket

[oak sky]

cant wait for the guide to say "you want at least 50% mastery"

[frosty cedar]

[gusty mirage]

it won't

[spice spire]

🛑

[oak sky]

wdym

super secret soft cap

its coming

[limber lion]

yeh probs just 4p double lego night fae shenanigans

[spice spire]

Buddy I’m on hour 22 of being awake

And I’m still not ready for this nonsense

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion do you know if I sim fae binds will it show unity as both to and ds?

[limber lion]

Yeh it will work for both if you sim the soulbinds for both covenants

very smart

[gusty mirage]

I forgot to sim the necklace

[small drift]

guys is crimson tempest something you "spam" in aoe or just refresh when the dot is running out?

[bleak sky]

bruh how inflated are halondrus numbers

[limber lion]

You just refresh during pandemic

[limber lion]

whatchu mean

[oak sky]

well you cant parry

[bleak sky]

I thought I was pumping

look at logs and good damage is like 14k

[oak sky]

with 4p and good kill timings

im sure it is

[limber lion]

Good? 14k?

[small drift]

even for something like lords of dread?

[limber lion]

On Heroic there's literally 5 sub rogue logs with 14k+

[limber lion]

Yes

[spice spire]

I spy a goat

Ol passassin

[oak sky]

interesting how down a few spots theres a guy with multiple pis that didn't beat cev

🤔

[limber lion]

he's a champ

[spice spire]

Truly an ethical king of our time

He takes the externals because he’s the best target of course

[limber lion]

Zerocool is an interesting individual for sure

[oak sky]

i aspire to be between cev and zero with externals

thats goals

[limber lion]

Hell yeah

[oak sky]

if only i had 4p

bro when i killed that boss this week i had r10

so many dusk boys on top of me

[small drift]

and is there a rule of thumb when to use fan of knives over mutilate to build cp? its abit strange fan just builds 1 cp even when hitting multiple targets coming from sub 😄

[oak sky]

4t

[limber lion]

4+ targets

[small drift]

ok last question when running crimson at how many targets you start using it?

or you wanna maintain it at 1 target already?

[limber lion]

2+

You want to maintain it on single target already if you spec into it, but you shouldn't spec into it on single

But in m+ you'd want to use it during boss fights.

[small drift]

cool ty for fast answers 🙂

[brazen zodiac]

sup cev

[steel geyser]

is there still the rule of no CT during shiv ?

havent played sin since Castle

[oak sky]

yes, but with 2p you would use it inside shiv, but with dashing you don't

[steel geyser]

so with 4p dashing you don't ?

(not gonna play sin until lord mythic anyway)

[limber lion]

[steel geyser]

[balmy condor]

PASSASSIN FROGCHUMP

THE LEGEND RETURNS

[steel geyser]

nvm im tired

[gusty mirage]

weird

I see 0 above you

or is that lords

[limber lion]

:3

Yeh Minalba was talking about Hal logs

but I forgot he doesn't even play rogue anymore

[limber lion]

Peen's been awfully quiet since Passassin showed up

[balmy condor]

Wha

[bleak sky]

wha

[limber lion]

1. plays Havoc DH

2. plays Sub

unluck

not a true rogue enjoyer

only elitist assassination players allowed

[balmy condor]

:/

[limber lion]

We'll welcome you back with open arms when the day comes

🤗

[oak sky]

thats sigma baby i love it

[median pine]

Anyone can help my buddy Thvia? He is strugling to get out of black/green parse for a while, his opener seems correct. Creating a thread. Thank you in advance!
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aTX6q41WrAgcHpZ3/#fight=9&type=summary

[bleak sky]

just did a fat blue on lords of dread

I don't want to play this fight ever again

[hollow escarp]

you should try outlaw

[oak sky]

smaller sample size

so if you don't suck you get a better log

[bleak sky]

guess who doesn't know how to pirate

me

[limber lion]

Someone take over this log review for me, thanks.

[subtle drift]

How is the Dash item called when you craft it on back? I need it for a gear compare without crafting it.

[zinc frost]

Gear compare > add item > grim-veiled cape > legendary power = dashing scoundrel

Or you can go through via top gear and add in the legendary that way

[subtle drift]

Thank you

[timid cloud]

Plaguefall Sin lads, which soulbind, I tried merelith, felt okay.

Thoughts?

I got that 2 set & I didn't wanna play NL Sub or Outlul.

[oak sky]

Marileth for m+ fo sho

Resets op

Big dam

[hollow escarp]

watch Kevin though

he likes ninja pulling

and auto-attacking abandoned barrels

[oak sky]

Kevin is a king

I had him pull through wo before but theyre fixing that

[thin trout]

still only have 1 set piece, after getting tier gloves normal week one cause we didnt kill anduin now i got the ... drumrollssss heroic hand! wooho meanwhile like 8 people have 4 set

[bleak sky]

one rogue got 5p today

and I didn't finish my 4p

[plain jewel]

if im playing venth, duskwalker is still the one to go for right?

[bleak sky]

with tier yes

[oak sky]

aint no way

[bleak sky]

insta equipped his tier instead of waiting for us to kill lords/ryg

[oak sky]

what a bozo

[slow marsh]

You're a bozo ok goodnight

[oak sky]

what the

after our great conversation about class design thats all you have to say to me

😭

[balmy condor]

Fucking hotstorms…..

[bleak sky]

not my token don't care

[strange python]

Did necro sin key for the first time

It’s so much fun >_>

[zinc frost]

Welcome to the bone zone

[violet jackal]

it's pretty fun gotta maintain that kevin uptime

[grim parcel]

May i ask for a quick recap of legs, soulbind, talents etc? I can choose not to be lazy as well and google it🙃

[zinc frost]

Check #assassination-faq and the guides it’s got everything there

[grim parcel]

I know i was just hoping for the easy way out

Ty tho

[bleak sky]

that is the easy way out

[strange python]

I’m very new to using necro so I’m not really credible lol

I had zoldyk on feet

and necro Kevin

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Marileth ig

[grim parcel]

Thats what i have too so ill try it. Which key and what overall did you pull if i may ask?

[strange python]

Ahh it’s been a few hours since

Think it’s was like around 11k ish

on a top

[grim parcel]

Wp dude. Ty

[strange python]

very welcome

[clear finch]

Who has two thumbs and cleared all N tier bosses and lfr halondrus and is still 0/5 for tier....

Just needed somewhere to cry about it. Hope my rogue brethren are faring better than I am.

[rotund oak]

Dont worry friend,april the 12th is near 😅

[wild beacon]

Just think of the 12 months we'll be on this tier

[clear finch]

Seems to be my only hope 🤣🤣🤣

[wild beacon]

Remember a lot of ppl in here are clearing H tier bosses too so have had extra chances. I'm at 1/5, filling vault again this week for best chance (except PvP)

[clear finch]

I know I know but still 🤣 even my vault has been saying F U

Just complaining is all. Nothing serious.

My body is ready for double lego next reset tho

[wild beacon]

Yeah at least that one is guaranteed

[rotund oak]

cant wait for reset

gonna equip 2 291 leggos

swap to cringefae and destroy bosses

[limber lion]

As you should

[rotund oak]

gonna pump so much dam

im very hyped

[gusty frigate]

Hey guys! im very new to rogue just wanted to double check im right. What the go to Covenant for m+

[oak sky]

venthyr or necro

necro is more overall dam and venthyr will do more st and prio damage

but both are really strong and you can use them both depending on group

[gusty frigate]

ahh ok

tyvm for ur response

[thin imp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[mint valve]

once you get 4p you'll be going nightfae for ST

[bleak sky]

I kinda doubt NF will ever be the play for M+

[spice spire]

Don’t test me child

But you’re right more than likely

[mint valve]

I’m sorry I didn’t read the “for m+” part

Yeah nightfae is a no go for that

[real bay]

any 1pc tierers, feelsgoodman

[bleak sky]

Idk if it's a no go necessarily

But it needs to be tested

[oak sky]

its gonna be playable but probably not as good as venth or necro imo

[bleak sky]

I've only been playing sin as necro in keys

[oak sky]

ive been mixing it up

whatever groups need

[bleak sky]

If it's not plaguefall/top I'm likely playing sub

[oak sky]

[bleak sky]

Maybe next week sin gets a little love

[oak sky]

ur a fake sin player

fake friend

[bleak sky]

[indigo mulch]

I'm also a filthy sub-enjoyer 😦

[bleak sky]

I don't really enjoy sub

[spice spire]

Ur an opp

[bleak sky]

I just stopped fighting the good fight quake

[spice spire]

Never stop the good fight mister minalba

If you fall for anything, you’ll stand for nothing

[bleak sky]

Big true

If you stand for nothing, Burr, what will you fall for?

Aight quake thanks time to binge listen to Hamilton again

[spice spire]

Any time papi

Excellent musical to binge

[oak sky]

the 10 crack commandments

oops

[pearl ingot]

@ our simheros could we get a pin for what kind of fight to setup the sims for the new raid? like the 4x patchwerk 50% hp 2-3 min for pantheon it´s just hard to categorize the fights for me

[bleak sky]

I'm not sure that's pin worthy, honestly

[pearl ingot]

hm, maybe for the faq?

so if it´s not worthy could you tell me to save it for me?

[bleak sky]

You gotta look at the fights and see what they are, right

[spice spire]

That seems like a reader.
Diagnosing what each fight is, is pretty simple on what your role is.
There are a few things that take some extra brain power

[bleak sky]

You're not gonna sim 1 target patchwerk for lords of dread, are you?

[pearl ingot]

obviously not, but there are probably some tricks to learn for simming myself that aren´t that obvious

[oak sky]

Its not that complex you just do patchwerk sims with a different amount of targets, and theres another one called cleave add that can roughly simulate fights like sausage etc where you might get some cleave uptime but its mostly st

At a certain point of aoe you just kinda know to go your aoe build

[bleak sky]

I wouldn't even bother changing anything for dasaugne

[spice spire]

The only tricky sim would be pantheon tbh

[oak sky]

Well if its about optimizing you would

[pearl ingot]

okay, that makes simming a little bit more easy, i thought we have a different type for every fight with a lot of setups

[spice spire]

And Cev did an excellent sim here

Literally pantheon is the weird fight, but outside of that, you’ll have rough numbers but that’s it.

All you can do is your best

[oak sky]

But anyways the general rule before 4p is venth for st necro for cleave and aoe, and with 4p its nf for st and necro in the same situations

Simming can definitely help you out with super optimized stuff but you don't need to make many changes for most fights

[pearl ingot]

just want to rely on/trust my own sims i dont doubt any of the pins or spreadsheets here just want minmax for myself

[spice spire]

Yeah you’re good. Have faith in yourself, and if you ever have a specific question, ask away.
Most fights have a decent profile to sim this tier at least

[pearl ingot]

thank you guys!

[wooden aurora]

This could be a really obvious question but im a bit of a noob, was looking at the faq for assass and several times it mentions doing something at max-1 combo points, I assume this just means use your finisher if youre at 4-5(5-6 for deep strat) otherwise continue building cps correct?

[bleak sky]

yep

[rotund oak]

4 more days

the real fun begins

[bleak sky]

do I get 4p in 4 more days?

[rotund oak]

im so hyped for assa this tier

i swear

i was hitting the dummy 3 hours yday

for no reason

[thin trout]

like what are my 0 tier pieces supposed to feel?

[bleak sky]

like castle nathria

[subtle tundra]

i swear i need a guideline to make sure i play 4pc vendettas correctly

[bleak sky]

1. don't play bad
2. don't fuck it up dingus

[subtle tundra]

FUCK.

FUCK.

[bleak sky]

you can paypal me 60 bucks for that info varas thx

[subtle tundra]

nah, atleast i can outdps tanks

[bleak sky]

OI THAT'S LOW MATE

[subtle tundra]

i saw that dorkii run

[bleak sky]

4pc bear is a menace to society

[bleak sky]

I joined the key and the man flamed my io

"who invited that 2k rogue"

[oak sky]

You played with dorki lmao

Love that guy

[bleak sky]

now I'm on a mission agreon

io grindset

[oak sky]

Lets go buddy

Make it happen

Idk if ill do io grind

Ill either have no goal for this season of m+ or ill hit title

[bleak sky]

get title quit wow

[oak sky]

Never

[bleak sky]

[oak sky]

Never surrender

Acquire performance average

Acquire WR

Acquire io

These are the 3 tenets of sigma

[bleak sky]

do those 3 and quit

[rotund oak]

Quit is for the weak

true chads never quit

[warm drift]

phial worth upgrading right?

[zinc frost]

Phial still pretty decent even with the nerfs

[warm drift]

ty 🙂

i guess i can just sim a droptimizer with 272

yeah phial it is

[gusty mirage]

Just toss ,ilevel=272 at the end of the string

Does the same thing

[warm drift]

good to know ty !

[gusty mirage]

With the comma, and np friend

[placid cobalt]

hi guys, when i look at trinket sims, do they account for 4 piece tier set and all? for example the pvp one, with 1 min cd, wouldnt that be big with 1 min vendetta build?

[sinful citrus]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[hollow talon]

hey what is the fae stepsis shiv sync logic

tried to find it on ravenholdt but couldnt find it

the hyperlink in the sim sheet isnt working

[umbral rapids]

#916546791472783371 message

[rotund oak]

Dreamweaver must be huge for progress with the seed

anti-wiping system

😅

[hollow talon]

thank you sir

[umbral rapids]

[hollow talon]

i am considering going stepsis ass on tuesday when we get double leggo

as a member of the no mythic EoN community

should have 4 pc next week too

[sinful citrus]

I was thinking about it too since I only have a heroic eon fae sin is more dps than sub is for me only by like 300 dps tho

[rotund oak]

If u get 4p cringefae is the play

with 2p necro might still be solid

personally if i dont get 4p i wont go nf

ill stay necro

[limber lion]

Necro is good with 4p as well

[woeful cipher]

does anyone have the macro for all 4 cov abilities

[limber lion]

I still play Necro on most bosses

[limber lion]

It's pinned in #wow-general

[wide ridge]

not on st fights i assume, right

like halond

or worm

[woeful cipher]

thanks was wondering why i couldnt find it in the pins... looking in the wrong place

[sinful citrus]

Yeah I'm a 4p enjoyer the sin 4p was fun and feels impactful but not as fun as sub when you hit the lottery on an aoe pull

[limber lion]

Incorrect

[hollow talon]

Do you have to change the spell name in the second one for it to work or nah

[limber lion]

NF pulls ahead with double lego, pretty ideal with just 4p

[hollow talon]

For door of shadows, phial etc macro

[limber lion]

No

[echo geyser]

!unity

[prisma monolith]

All slots are close in output.
The best non tier slots across all specs are Belt or Wrists.
The best possible slot is likely Hands, Legs or Head.
Use a simulation to evaluate for your gear situation.

[echo geyser]

crit haste dusk right

[gusty mirage]

Secret sauce is that the bot might want you to grab some mastery with the 4pc

But you didn’t hear that from me

[echo geyser]

[gusty mirage]

[echo geyser]

i was rdy to pull the trigger when u were typing

i wait

[gusty mirage]

Sim it with crit/mastery too just in case

I have an obscene amount of haste rn

I’m at like 27% without alacrity stacks

[echo geyser]

thats a lot

[rotund oak]

ive got 29

and already crafted it crit/haste

[gusty mirage]

Wtb 40+ crit again

[rotund oak]

ive got 37crit

[gusty mirage]

2-3cp mutilates make me sad

[rotund oak]

(with FCM)

[gusty mirage]

I’m at like 33%

[rotund oak]

hope im getting legs and head soon from heroic tonight,gonna get some crit and ditch fcm for iqd

🙏

[timid cloud]

IQD…

[rotund oak]

iqd pumps lets go

1 VD first sigil,2nd VD slam iqd

MA talented some funny envenoms,all i can say 😅

although ill prolly switch to subter/DS

[wide ridge]

wait you're going necro even on pure st? thats actually impressive

[sinful citrus]

Necro is better right now if you have 4p

[wide ridge]

wheres my 2p gang at

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-crying-michael-scott-sad-upset-gif-9816214

[pure moth]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1gTpFxdcvZ2XWfAY is there anything to point out within this log? i know i had cp waste through out the night. more than usual for me. Anything else?

[kindred rapids]

1pc here man could be worse

Doing hc rylegon and lod Monday though, wish me luck

[viscid island]

With 4pc and double leg, is it the end of zoldyck? or do we still use it in some contents?

[kindred rapids]

I'd imagine you'd still use it on pantheon, but you'd have to sim it

[viscid island]

and forget it even for mm+ as necro?

[kindred rapids]

Supposedly dusk is better for m+

With m+ prio damage still matters quite a bit compared to a fight like pantheon

[viscid island]

will see ty for answers

[brazen zodiac]

hi mav

[kindred rapids]

But I don't have any tier so I haven't simmed it myself

[brazen zodiac]

whoops

[proper tapir]

You can rupture at 4+ cp

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

Anyone joining me on Laugh Tale cuz I got One Piece.

[timid cloud]

2P gang

[strange python]

what are assassination rogues running for M+ when two legos are out with, 2 piece and 4 pieces?

and what covenant

[gusty mirage]

Venthyr or necro, and duskwalker’s

For 4pc

[cold rampart]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[gusty mirage]

For 2pc cov doesn’t really change, but you’d just play zold instead of duskwalkers with double leggo

[flat kiln]

If we're never going to get 285 belt/boots would crafting unity in those slots be better than wrist?

[cold rampart]

whats the rotation for lords with subterfuge?

[obtuse robin]

garr - snd - garr - normal rotation from there

[limber lion]

I wouldn't do thay

I would do gar sbs gar slice sbs muti rup

A higher cp snd is much better for 2+ targets

[obtuse robin]

[cold rampart]

sbs?

[lean coral]

bonespike

[limber lion]

Serrated Bonespike

[cold rampart]

yea i dont play necro

venthyr

[limber lion]

Because you play Necrolord on 2+

[lean coral]

should on that fight

[limber lion]

You're inting

But fair enough

[cold rampart]

my necro is 0

everything else max

[limber lion]

That's fine

[lean coral]

didnt level it with zereth campaign?

[limber lion]

Necro is still better

[lean coral]

it was free

[cold rampart]

leveled night fae

[limber lion]

You can get renown to 40 with the item

Then you do the canpaign

[lean coral]

oh i did that before the patch was out

[limber lion]

And yoy're at 70 renown

[cold rampart]

my raid is like after 10 mins so

[limber lion]

Which unlocks all empowered potencies

Rip

[cold rampart]

progress lord and rygleon

gonna play sin at lords

i guess am going old stlye MA

[limber lion]

Yes

[muted ivy]

torgy gives renown too

[limber lion]

Just do normal The Nine opener

[lean coral]

yeah sub does like 2min floor 9 clears

[cold rampart]

delicous

[limber lion]

Muti snd muti gar flag rup vend shiv

Applying gar to second target when it's up and rupture when Shiv ends

[scenic kelp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fT1N2nJuELBbvDu1nCrSsg

did i something wrong in my "pre sim" or why is venth simming higher? 😄

[compact atlas]

Is it the correct opener (with flag too)? I just got 4p and I am looking for rotation with different talents :x

[sinful cradle]

you would muti to 4+ then flag rupt

so swap step 5 and 6

[echo geyser]

@limber lion when mythic pantheon?

forgor u have no pov

but would be cool to see numbers still

[kindred rapids]

Is it true dots now persist through among us phase?

[balmy condor]

They didn’t on Thursday

Idk if it changed since then

[strange python]

Didn’t for me on normal I don’t think >~>

[subtle tundra]

guys i think i woke up
i have come bearing bad news

assa might be bad

[balmy condor]

Damn

Happy new year varas

[subtle tundra]

://///////////////////////////////////////

[balmy condor]

2021 shaping up to be good year

Not for sin

But like

In General

[subtle tundra]

its 2022

[balmy condor]

I thought you said bad news, assa might be bad

That’s 2021 no?

[subtle tundra]

no...........................

assa was ok in 2021

assa is bad in 2022

://////////////////////////////////////

😐

[balmy condor]

he’ll come around

[subtle tundra]

the truth hurts

i cant take it anymore

wait a sec

i think i can make myself feel a bit better

isnt outlaw WORSE?

[balmy condor]

Not in keys

[subtle tundra]

nah, they are worse

[balmy condor]

Aight if it makes you sleep at night

[subtle tundra]

dont care if its by 0.1%

worse is worse

[zinc frost]

Sin keys starting to take a toll on you Varas

[strange python]

Playing sin with a survival hunter with 4 set : )

in keys

[echo geyser]

[strange python]

didn’t want to put my dots up anyway :)))

[echo geyser]

just make CT give venomous wounds

[strange python]

Can fan of knives just work like shuriken storm first?

Why doesn’t it

I don’t understand

[subtle tundra]

nah, the gameplay loop is fine

the numbers arent there

why bust my nuts off and finish 15k when i can spam bp and finish 17k

[subtle tundra]

even if it were like that rn, sin wouldnt do sub numbers

[strange python]

Yeah I know

it just seems odd

[zinc frost]

[echo geyser]

have u just realized sin was worse than sub?

[subtle tundra]

in s2 sin was behind but could do similar numbers, now the difference is huge

[strange python]

Spent all my money on sin leggo there’s no going back

We committed

[echo geyser]

in s2 it was also very behind

u just didnt realize cause of funnel

now ur doing +20s on sub with only bp spam

so it looks even better

[subtle tundra]

stop hurting me

youre right

let me cope

[red cloak]

guys I just hit 60 on my first character and I picked Sin, my ilvl is ~150 and I just did the world boss. a majority of my damage was just auto attacks and im kinda concerned if that means im bad or i just need to get my ilvl higher

[zinc frost]

Melee should always be pretty high up on damage due to slice and dice uptime

[red cloak]

okay but it was actually my most dmg at 20%, next most was envenom

[peak bobcat]

How do I sim double leggo 4 piece?

[strange python]

I think it should be fine

[red cloak]

my dps over the course of the entire fight was 2.2k

[strange python]

It’s hard to judge dps when you’re 155 ilvl

[red cloak]

wasnt sure if i was doing something blatantly wrong

what is good ilvl now?

[subtle tundra]

260

[red cloak]

and acceptable dps

jesus

[strange python]

Like 260

[red cloak]

LOL

[spice spire]

🔮

[subtle tundra]

just play the game at this point

[red cloak]

im playing venthyr bc I like flag

[spice spire]

worry numbers later, play now

makes sense, solid choice

[red cloak]

i just wanna make sure im doing rotation right so its muscle memory by the time i start doing current content and i dont have to unlearn bad habits

[spice spire]

generic advice, maintain snd, garrote, and rupture at all times

don'tovercap on cp nor energy

use cds on cooldown

and you're chuckling

[red cloak]

okay my last question is how often should i pool energy

[spice spire]

since you're learning

don't even worry about pooling rn

just focus on the mechanics of the class and gameplay, then focus on the more intermediate concepts later. it's a basic class, that follows some basic rules. the intricacies aren't even worth looking at until you know exactly what you're doing and why

which sounds like a vague copout, but it's truly the way of the road

[red cloak]

havent really played since legion

i miss legion arms warrior

[peak bobcat]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mW136j6i7C2fefpErpHiYF

does this seem accurate?

[subtle tundra]

demon chest

[peak bobcat]

took me like 30 minutes to figure out how to even get it in there okay

[balmy condor]

What the fuck am I looking at

[peak bobcat]

a copied wowhead ID

[balmy condor]

291

[peak bobcat]

tbf i did ask

and this was the best I could come up with

[sinful cradle]

Gear compare

[gusty mirage]

L + ur bald + ur a warrior main now

[spice spire]

????????????

[brazen zodiac]

hi oxi :o

[gusty mirage]

hi qt

[peak bobcat]

how do I add legendaries into gear compare? make a new Id for them?

[gusty mirage]

use top gear

not gear compare

[balmy condor]

I mean

You can do many things

The easiest for me

Was to droptimize

And then pull all the items out of it

[gusty mirage]

you are mean

[balmy condor]

Or just open the droptimizer window, click the items I want for the wowhead link

And then just editing the ilvl

[peak bobcat]

ahh okay

thanks

can't wait until 4p so I can get out of Sub prison

[balmy condor]

I have bad news

[peak bobcat]

its only like 1k higher sim dps

[echo geyser]

lacking critical information

[peak bobcat]

[gusty mirage]

but what about downtime?

[peak bobcat]

Sub tier set is rng

[balmy condor]

Yeah, what time are you going down on me?

[gusty mirage]

omw

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

??

ya'll some horny mfers

[peak bobcat]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tofgw1PfsKBxQi9rCuAatx

saved

[limber lion]

We had some good pulls on Thursday, dying on Sunday

[spice spire]

Mythic sigil inc

[vestal wren]

good luck

[spice spire]

Good luck @limber lion

But chances are he can’t get it, the pugs wouldn’t ever stand a chance on the meters when he goes pug

[pure moth]

Posted this earlier but didnt see any comments. Perhaps it was too early in the morning. Hah Anyone have anything on the logs

[obtuse robin]

mythic sigil is a dps loss for me in drop i assume its cuz of gear optimization

[spice spire]

Shadowsin log review

[warm parcel]

retired boomer q

where are the assas in rwf

does it get trumped that bad on 2t

[limber lion]

Unfortunately our 4p tier set pretty much only amplifies our single target damage. The 2p is a nice boost to our single/cleave/aoe damage, but falls flat in comparison to Frost DK's, Surv hunters and the like

[warm parcel]

I mean whats assas realisting lords dps

[gusty mirage]

swarm amplifies aoe abilities

amping CT aint enough

unfortunately

[warm parcel]

Oh thats something I didnt know

[limber lion]

Also none of the rwf raiders really play that much assa afaik, so they just bench em. We can't abuse the aoe mechanic at all

[warm parcel]

[gusty mirage]

yeah when they swarm they take 100% increased dam

from aoe

[warm parcel]

why

thats just so random?

[limber lion]

Around 15k+

[warm parcel]

o yikes thats miles from the rest

[limber lion]

Yup

[subtle tundra]

surv abilities are basically all treated as aoe

so they get mega amp

[warm parcel]

Yeah I totally see it now

Didnt know that mechanic

[subtle tundra]

its stupid, hope its gonna be fixed after rwf to be all dmg

so guilds dont get cornered into gearing the viable specs

[limber lion]

Assa is really good on stuff like Pantheon, Dausegne, Guardian - but they're really early bosses so you can slap em down quickly with any comp.

Yeh, Lords 100% needs a nerf

It's just not realistic for anyone else but super degen 5 character having rwf guilds to kill

[warm parcel]

Well tuning seems real impossible job this tier

hoping 10.0 goes any smoother

[glass tulip]

Warriors taunting with dbts and over a minute in enrage. Yikes!

[strange python]

isnt the last patch of the tier always fucky with balancing

[strange python]

any feedbacks on m+ ? sub si so shit atm for keys

[gusty mirage]

I mean regarding the tier set? or?

[storm belfry]

The only rogues I see in keys are sub

[gusty mirage]

yeah cuz sub's better, esp with tier

[storm belfry]

Yeah the spec tier is nice

[gusty mirage]

yeah it seems like it was perfectly designed for m+

[storm belfry]

Ima still play assa in keys 💅

[bleak sky]

Why is sub bad in keys?

[subtle tundra]

sub is currently much better than sin in keys

[strange python]

shit dmh, shit regen energy

dmg

shit cleave

[subtle tundra]

youre probably playing another game

[sinful cradle]

Shit cleave, ye can understand that but the rest of your claims are just not true

[strange python]

cleave is important

good st but worst aoe ever seen

[subtle tundra]

if you think sub aoe is bad

[sinful cradle]

??

[subtle tundra]

youre not gonna be happy with assa

since its way worse

🙂

[sinful cradle]

Like sure, our aoe is not mm lvl aoe

[subtle tundra]

cleave is only important in 1 dungeon

[sinful cradle]

But its still decent enough

[dusk summit]

Hey is it worth trying to farm a sylvanas dagger? I'm assuming that it would need to be mythic to be worth it?

[subtle tundra]

only if you play sub

otherwise, it gets outclassed by daggers you can farm

from m+

[strange python]

which ? NW ?

[subtle tundra]

theater of pain

[dry chasm]

how i unlock mikanikos?

[void karma]

Do Kyrian campaign

[jaunty gale]

I’m venthyr With us getting unity legendary Tuesday, I’m looking at what to craft for my second lego. I have no raid tier pieces so far so I’m waiting on duskwalkers patch. Looks like for now I should go either zoldyk or dashing scoundrel. I’m not sure which to take there, I’m leaning toward dashing for raid but zoldyk for m+. Really don’t want to craft both though so I was wondering is there a huge difference there or can I go with either?

[lavish hazel]

For raid i think doomblades is better

In st

[jaunty gale]

Even with so many fights in sepulcher having add phases?

[torn atlas]

We aren't really there for much else except the boss dam.

[jaunty gale]

Lol amen to that. Wish there were a couple more single target bosses

[fleet anchor]

Also like. Sub AoE is just objectively not bad. Haha. Especially with 4pc.

Cleave sure but who smol pulls anything anymore

[timid cloud]

Sub AOE is not bad because it’s kit allows it to do well. Black powder is a good finisher & it feels fluid because it is literally 2 buttons & the conduits allow it to do good as well.

Sure, it’s not MM, WW, or uhhh, I dunno, some sort of Warrior.

But it’s still good.

People have this strange idea that we should be overall kings, which is sadly not the reality.

Main character syndrome if you ask me.

[oak sky]

Yeah this is it sub aoe is solid but just other classes pull crazy numbers

[timid cloud]

Sin is just putting in X % of more work for equal numbers.

[subtle tundra]

in m+?

[timid cloud]

Yeah.

[subtle tundra]

its not equal numbers

[bleak sky]

I think you're jjust playingg sub wrong

[storm belfry]

Lmao sub AOE is not bad. That’s nuts to think that

[bleak sky]

likie very wrong

[subtle tundra]

its way less numbers

[storm belfry]

They press like 2 buttons and go hard as fuck

[bleak sky]

1. you don't get starved, ever
2. your damage is insane
3. you bring an absurd amount of cc

[gusty mirage]

hi

[bleak sky]

habibi

[timid cloud]

I didn’t want to downplay it that bad & doomsay but yes.

[storm belfry]

The spec should be renamed Funnel

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

Sin is more work for less damage.

It’s basically Feral Druid in M+

[gusty mirage]

it's playable if you enjoy it

up to a certain level

[timid cloud]

Just slightly less shit.

[gusty mirage]

but after a while it's like why bother

[bleak sky]

varas been killing it

legit madman