assassination

[thorn fjord]

BS is the devil

just like IQD

There anyway to run droptimizer with 4p even if you dont have?

[uneven hamlet]

gear compare should do it

[spice spire]

But droptimizering that

I’m sure you can just plug in tier codes to your equipped

And send it that way, don’t forget to change legendaries as well

[balmy condor]

You’d have to gear compare or import the strings for 4pc, make a profile with it, and then droptimizer that

[spice spire]

Wait can you make a string from a gear compare?

[balmy condor]

I assume so

[thorn fjord]

ty!

[balmy condor]

I’ve used gear compare once in the last 2 years

[spice spire]

Not testing that on mobile

[balmy condor]

So I wouldn’t know

[spice spire]

Man’s got the tier strings memorized off the top of his head I bet

[hollow river]

Not even for Skrillex/Halondrus?

[balmy condor]

No

[brazen zodiac]

sup tricz, whisp

[hollow river]

Why not

Wassup vita

What if bs sims > mfd

[clever kindle]

then go with that

[balmy condor]

If it sims higher 1. That’s weird, 2. I could see it on halondrus

[hollow river]

Not that weird imo I’ve never had mfd beat bs yet

[clever kindle]

are you using 1 or 2 sylv daggers? just curious

[hollow river]

2

[clever kindle]

thats probably why

[vestal wren]

i would use 2 if i had mythic ones

[mint valve]

with 4p and double lego

on 2 target cleave

is necro or nightfae better?

[wild mural]

Nf

[spice spire]

It’s probably Necrolord, this info is in the faqs

[mint valve]

sorry, i will look there ❤️

[mint valve]

@spice spire

im not seeing the 2 target cleave sims ): only single target and dslice

[spice spire]

Look at the graphics

[subtle tundra]

ok 0 tier set drops in 2 weeks, this is a tragedy

[spice spire]

Mood

Varas mental

Makeitquake mental

[ripe pine]

whats the best covenent for assassin rogue ?

[echo geyser]

thats what happens if u loot xymox trinket

[subtle tundra]

when demon hunters have 3 pieces makes me

fr literally all 3 tiers this expansion

[spice spire]

#assassination-faq has the answer for this glorious question

[gusty mirage]

I looted xymox trinket and got normal chest yesterday

[subtle tundra]

i had DOGSHIT loot

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Different scenarios for each

[spice spire]

The chosen one

[subtle tundra]

literally 0 loot at the start of the patches

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

finally stepping into mythic though

260 ilvl

KEK

[spice spire]

Gl varas

[gusty mirage]

how many tier sets do you guys have?

[subtle tundra]

not many lole

[gusty mirage]

yikers

god speed my friend

[subtle tundra]

all healers have 2p

🙂

[echo geyser]

we only have healers with 4p in our guild

[spice spire]

THE CLASSIC

[echo geyser]

2x i think

[spice spire]

Wtf

Venerated sets toxic

[gusty mirage]

we have a healer and our other rogue have 0 pcs

our only 4pc is a shadow priest

unlucky

[spice spire]

Only one piece on zenith rn

On mains*

[gusty mirage]

our bew's stacked on tier

he has 3pcs

5 combined with the rest of us 4 lmao

[spice spire]

Yo brew 4p actually a solid grab

But damn

[subtle tundra]

my ilvl just tilts me tho lmao

[spice spire]

We’re doing 3 other bosses tonight

[subtle tundra]

260 xd

[gusty mirage]

me and one warrior got tier from vault

6 pieces of zenith dropped and 3 dropped for our brew

L O L

[spice spire]

0 tier from vault

[gusty mirage]

GREAT SYSTEM

LOVE IT

[spice spire]

But got a weapon

[gusty mirage]

just loot 4 262 daggers, 2 mists ones and 2 nw ones

4head

[spice spire]

278 dagger and a 262 streets dagger

[gusty mirage]

I upgraded one of the haste vers daggers to 272 for pvp

and now I'm valor poor

[spice spire]

I’m holding onto my valor

Waiting for that 262 phial to max out

I s2g I get a 2p on warrior, I’m going to be a beige name

[clever kindle]

a 259 ticking sack beat a 252 phial for me lol

[vale marten]

was wondering, did someone sim the cache trinket axe proc with dashing lego?

seems like it would be nice

[vestal wren]

ethical phial gamer 🙂

[spice spire]

I have a 249 chilling in bags I got helping a guildie group push a key

But I don’t wanna waste the valor

[clever kindle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7UdoZDzzz47CRyebPNG3dc

the pain of not have set

[strange python]

only 1, the oher rogue just got his 4th 30 minutes ago. i am malding

[solid venture]

More like pain of not having sylv daggies

[gusty mirage]

why is that pain

assassination switches from them pretty quick

[timid cloud]

Living your best life without daggers when playing Sin.

Only a problem if you multi-spec…

[subtle tundra]

fuck this dude

[restive falcon]

running doomblade on heroic andiun worth? or stick to obedeince?

[limber lion]

Dashing or Obedience

[restive falcon]

specifically for single target dashing prob?

[limber lion]

Dashing does it all

Doomblade is useless during the intermissions because you really don't use Mutilate when there's 20 adds around you

[restive falcon]

welll im not worried about adds they die before i get 2 globals off

[limber lion]

That's... not the problem

Even if you don't want to hit adds, you still use FOK to generate combo points instead of Mutilate

[timid cloud]

FOK 1 CP…

Someone fix this bug please…

[white orchid]

With 2 set necro Is simming higher at ST with doom blade over venthyr obedience. Is that bc 2 set buffs sbs?

[limber lion]

Part of the reason why, yes

I'm sure Venthyr would sim higher if you used a 291 Obedience helm though, but it's not really worth getting it atm

[white orchid]

So I guess necro the way to go until 4 set and double lego

Idk if I did something wrong but even with 291 obedience was simming lower than a 291 doom blade on venthyr for me

[limber lion]

Very likely, yes

[white orchid]

Cool cool

[grim topaz]

I'm really holding back on making legendarys till I get my tier pieces tbh

but luckily we'll have ring/wrist leggo for assa

[agile osprey]

Bought to do Lords of Dread tonight. Think necro is still the move if I don't even have 2pc?

[limber lion]

You should just sim it honestly

[agile osprey]

Yeah I figured, was just trying to dodge the queues

[limber lion]

takes max 5 minutes

and you'll get a more accurate answer than anyone else here could give

[balmy condor]

[uneven hamlet]

guys, playing necro with gemstone, should I always have 2-3 sbs charges for the proc? or it does not matter and I can go by with 1 charge

[limber lion]

[alpine latch]

How does the 4pc work? Is that only on the bleeds/poisons that exist on the target when Vendetta is used? Or does it apply the entire time Vendetta is active on the target?

[obtuse robin]

weird question, is it still possible to sim with dom runes ?

[bleak sky]

yes jjust check the boxes on raidbots

[obtuse robin]

ahh missed that ty

[limber lion]

It is applied for the entire duration of Vendetta. Any reapplied bleeds will bleed faster for their entire duration, even after Vendetta ends.

(and poisons, but you know, we don't really have much control over those)

[alpine latch]

Awesome, and yeah a buddy was asking and I figured I'd double check before I told him wrong info

IDK why he won't just join Discord

[clever kindle]

wont join discord in 2022

[viscid spear]

Causing discord instead of joining it

[wicked valve]

How many item levels is it worth sacrificing for a tier piece? Like if I have 2 normal tiers vs 2 278 pieces for the same slot, is it worth it?

[bleak sky]

sim it

probably not worth having the 278 pieces, but sim it

[wicked valve]

I will, haven't gotten lucky with tier yet. Just crying myself to sleep, and asking so i know for the future. Thanks!

[upbeat needle]

what talents for lords?

same as pantheon?

w subt and ds?

[limber lion]

Yes

[slow marsh]

people who killed lords, did you also lust at 3mins during swarm?

[limber lion]

Around 3:30 yeah

[carmine dawn]

does sin only catch up to sub with 4/2?

[limber lion]

No, it's very encounter-specific

Assa excels in several encounters and Sub excels in others

[carmine dawn]

ahh which ones are you thinking so far judging from the race

or which ones have you done so far

[limber lion]

Vigilant, Assa

Skolex, sub

Dausagne, Assa for dps, Sub for 2x shadowstep

Artificer, either

[carmine dawn]

you arent funneling on vigilant?

[limber lion]

No, you just kill all the adds then you kill the boss man solo

You just cleave it on the side

but you focus the adds down

[carmine dawn]

fair point, boss is a solid energy battery

till the end

[limber lion]

Pantheon, Assa until 4p, either with 4p

Lords, Assa

Rygelon, either

Lihuvim, Sub

Halondrus, Sub

Anduin, Sub

[carmine dawn]

let me play outlaw

[limber lion]

Not a great Outlaw tier, def needs a buff to their spec or tierset

[carmine dawn]

all your analysis implies 4/2?

[limber lion]

I mean encounter-wise it's decent, it just falls flat

Yes, 2p or 4p

[viscid spear]

RIP in piece Outlaw

[carmine dawn]

i mean 4 set 2 leggo

[viscid spear]

We hardly knew ye

[limber lion]

It doesn't really change things

The only thing that changes is Sub's strength on Pantheon

[carmine dawn]

doesnt sin catch up in ST with full kit?

[limber lion]

and Sub getting much better on Anduin

[limber lion]

Not quite

[carmine dawn]

well within a couple deviations right?

[limber lion]

Halondrus still favors Sub because of how the parry/dodge thing works

Even if they had similar numbers sim-wise

would have to do specific no-melee-miss sims to compare the two

[glass tulip]

team killed rygelon without me

[zinc frost]

[brazen zodiac]

come kill it in my pug rn

we're not doin too bad

[glass tulip]

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[glass tulip]

im going to bed dawg

[brazen zodiac]

complete cope ik

kk gn hope u get mythic tier tier piece in ur vault

[spice spire]

I’m one piece gaming now

[inner granite]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[tidal gorge]

Anybody play around with the cache trinket yet? Is it worth holding for a specific weapon or pretty much a wash?

[red plaza]

pretty much always axe

Venthyr especially so

[brazen zodiac]

in m+ axe feels cracked lol

[balmy condor]

love that anime

[brazen zodiac]

spiked to like 50k using it in ardenweld pull but also ardenweld pull lmfao

[brazen zodiac]

hi whisp i hope ur day went swell

[balmy condor]

it didn't

raid was shit

[brazen zodiac]

srry 2 hear

i hope u get goodies in ur vault

well a goodie

[balmy condor]

we wiped to normal mechanics for 3.5 hours, had 2 decent pulls, trolled them, said "one more pull", then afked for 20 minutes waiting for a healer to come back

[brazen zodiac]

based ok that sucks

[spice spire]

Ayo?

You ever just murder the wrong people playing amogus tho

[balmy condor]

I would love to

but I can't

[brazen zodiac]

u ever just fok and ct your friends in lords of dread phase

[balmy condor]

because

uhhhhhhh

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/950418697619656734/caption.gif

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[balmy condor]

so now I'm playing valorant and eating hot chip

it's equal to going to the gym because you got your heart broken

[brazen zodiac]

sounds fun

lmfao

just go eat some ice cream dude want some of my sherbet ice cream

[balmy condor]

I only eat ice cream I can pronounce sorry

[brazen zodiac]

sheer-bert

shur-bert? maybe?

fuck it here have some chocolate 🍫

[zinc frost]

100 percent yes. “Wtf you doing I have already been killed”

[spice spire]

Literal healer got got with it

Wild stuff

[zinc frost]

Our warlock in our guild was made to change his transmog cause his wings kept proccing during the infiltrator phase

Confusing the shit out of everyone

[spice spire]

They’re giant models

[viscid spear]

[spice spire]

Not everyone could see it

Soon mister kitten

One piece on both toons

[viscid spear]

For now

Trying to find a Hal group here

[spice spire]

Oh no

You’re too powerful

[viscid spear]

Or at the very least something to get the 2nd slot for Vault

[spice spire]

Im gonna get tier on my lfr spot

I can feel it in my bones

[viscid spear]

But hey, all 3 raid vault spots open

[spice spire]

I’d prefer a 278

But you know the vibes

[viscid spear]

I have no clue how vault spots work entirely

Hal group lessgo

[spice spire]

[red plaza]

wait. just LFR Halondrus

[viscid spear]

Normal Crab

[zinc frost]

GL on tier

[viscid spear]

2% wipe

And then a 1%

[zinc frost]

https://tenor.com/view/pakistan-cricket-fan-pakistan-fan-cricket-angry-fan-angry-fan-angry-man-gif-19825067

[viscid spear]

One of the tanks died during 2nd intermission both times

[spice spire]

Any tier tho

[viscid spear]

Haven't killed it

Third pull is taking forever, everyone bio'ing

[rancid spade]

what was the line for sim on execute phase?

[balmy condor]

there's an execute patchwerk fight style

[rancid spade]

yeah i found it ty

[viscid spear]

So much time between pulls

Downed, no tier

[zinc frost]

[viscid spear]

Got the mount schematic from the 2nd room tho

[hollow river]

265 MH beats M eon for me

[viscid spear]

I'll beat you rn

[hollow river]

[hollow river]

[viscid spear]

No tears, only beatings now

Not sure I wanna keep going, got 5/11 for 2nd vault option, already have gloves so Lih wouldn't be worth

Plus 8/11 would be Panth->Lih->Andy and we had enough trouble with Hal

[gusty mirage]

sounds about right

sin generates like 13 cp an hour

[hollow river]

yeh it didn't the other day

so i thought it was weird lol

i got bloodoath with socket earlier

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

so BIG

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dZ53NeWTkhNtKCMUuoU9zG

[zinc frost]

Your sitting with surrounded by 20 Murlocs in Tazavesh… your FoKing outta your damn mind… 3 cp. another 3cp. Sadness

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

you're getting 3cp?

[gusty mirage]

he crit 1 of the hits

[zinc frost]

Best case scenario guys

[balmy condor]

I can't wait to play deeper in m+ with dusk for the prio and then fok 3x cause it only gives 2cp

each time

[bleak sky]

Delete fok, give sin shuriken storm

[gusty mirage]

think of the CDR

more foks = more energy = more cdr

[balmy condor]

wait

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

genius

except mut is more

[gusty mirage]

ngl after 3-4 1cp foks

I just say fuck it and mutilate

I don't care

[spice spire]

Holy fuck

There might be nothing I hate more then fan

Actually

[zinc frost]

Man if I’m not getting good CP in like 5 mobs im hitting mut I don’t care

[gusty mirage]

just play the conduit

oh wait

it only gives 5% crit

yuge

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

poisoned katar is actually insulting

and I hope whoever designed it gets fired

[oak jungle]

is there a functional reason fok acts the way it does compared to SS? is there anything gamebreaking about it just giving consistent predictable CPs?

[spice spire]

Buddy I hit 4 5 cps in a row on gambit and I knew my luck went down immediately

[hollow river]

PE should've been a sin conduit

[balmy condor]

yeah, sin would be playable in m+

[hollow river]

8% crit

[balmy condor]

[oak jungle]

LUL

[gusty mirage]

no they could've just made PK's crit scale with ilvl

[upbeat needle]

what the fuck bro

[gusty mirage]

instead of the worthless fucking damage it does

[spice spire]

Multiple 1 CP foks in 9+ packs

[hollow river]

also true

[spice spire]

[upbeat needle]

that's literally the story of my life

LMFAO

[gusty mirage]

dw think of the poison damage boys

huge

[zinc frost]

It’s like you have a little sub rogue sitting in your ear going “do it you little bitch, you know what want to”

[gusty mirage]

I want one good reason why the crit % doesn't scale with ilvl on PK

just one

[spice spire]

It would be playable

[gusty mirage]

where's community council member skipn0z

the guy's jerkin off to uncapping bf thinking that'll fix outlaw's issue in aoe

[spice spire]

Still trying to uncap outlaw

[gusty mirage]

what about OUR issues?

had to clarify

[spice spire]

Skipnoz - area 52 ain’t a man of the people

[balmy condor]

1. too horny
2. too horny
3. too horny
4. fok bad
5. aoe

[spice spire]

Damn

[gusty mirage]

1 through 3 is a lie

you can never be too horny

[bleak sky]

Bro leave my issues alone I don't wanna deal with them right now

[spice spire]

I feel like 1-3 is really the top ten

[gusty mirage]

huge fan of your artwork, do you do commissions?

[spice spire]

I feel like Even

[bleak sky]

I do art in exchange of pet pics

[gusty mirage]

okay whispyr might be right

I read that as "feet pics"

[bleak sky]

Horny police

[balmy condor]

it's a disease

[spice spire]

Buddy, whispyr dms are cursed

Just nonstop horny posting

I just wanna know what sims best

[zinc frost]

Just imagine how horny we would be getting full CP generation from FoK and a baseline CT

[gusty mirage]

this does

[spice spire]

[upbeat needle]

I'd scream without the S

[worn badger]

this game loves to give me cursed. love , got a trinket from free heroic cache, fing earthbreakers =/

[hollow river]

earthbreakers is decent

[worn badger]

yeah but were rogues, greedy by nature i wanted a cache. seems like it will be good for m+ though

[hollow river]

[upbeat needle]

spam CT in the increased dam phase on Lords?

[hollow river]

no

[upbeat needle]

ok bet I figured

[subtle tundra]

There's an increased dmg phase on lords??

[echo geyser]

not for sin

[hollow river]

...lol

[echo geyser]

but for sub u can storm and bp

idk if storm is the move in dance tho

but bp probably is

[hollow river]

Are we positive that we storm?

[echo geyser]

no u didnt hear that from me

[hollow river]

Kk

[echo geyser]

outside dance u normally do

[hollow river]

Yeah

RL says to save coolies for it tho

[echo geyser]

idk how it works i didnt know its aoe dmg increase phase until today

[hollow river]

We even lusted it

[echo geyser]

read it in this discord

[hollow river]

Which I thought was stupid

[echo geyser]

i was sin anyways so nothing changes

[hollow river]

Yeah same

I did press a few FoK

For test

Just need to go back and check the log

Kinda weird that it only increases aoe damage

This raid was made for Frost DKs and Warriors

[echo geyser]

yeah i thought it was weird some classes were popping off

i wonder if bladeflurry works

[hollow river]

I think it does

People have been saying outlaw is good on lords

It just barely keeps up with sin on top logs

[split grail]

Should I go Crimson Tempest for Proto council?

[hollow river]

Tf is Porto council

Pantheon? Yes

Any fight that has more than 1 target somewhat consistently we go CT

[split grail]

Roger, thanks

[hollow river]

Np

[subtle tundra]

You silly goose

Porto council is a dish at the Portuguese restaurant

[hollow river]

Quack

[subtle tundra]

You go with fork to eat it

[hollow river]

I beg your pardons, mademoiselle

[alpine radish]

Good luck in your vaults today NA

[hollow river]

[timid cloud]

Is Whispyr poppin’ that bussy again?

Who is being horny at 3am Central Standard Time right now in this chat???

[alpine radish]

Im sat at my desk at work for what its worth 😂

[balmy condor]

I’m the bussy

Always have been

[timid cloud]

[fallow otter]

U2bud

[spice spire]

Ayo?

[cold rampart]

why is everyone necrolord ?

am i the only one who didnt level up that covenant ?

[vestal wren]

necrolord is about equal to others before 4p

and it is ahead in anything not pure st

[cold rampart]

so is it worth to level up necro or wait for 4 set?

[vestal wren]

necro will remain the stronger option on 2+ targets

[spice spire]

Fuu is correct

And in m+ it will be very good still

[vestal wren]

it remains quite noticeable ahead with 4p double legendary too

[cold rampart]

i was main sin as soon as i switched to sub sin got stronger

this game must be trolling me

[vestal wren]

sin is strong on two target fights

sub is still probably the better choice for more single target oriented ones

halondrus also rly works well for it (subtlety)

[cold rampart]

so basically i go now lvl up my necro and craft zoldyck

[vestal wren]

you can

it is still your decision

[cold rampart]

@vestal wren even with 4 set sin will play necro ?

[spice spire]

Sin feels very good for pantheon and lords of dread.

4 set helps Necro feel good.
It loses value when double legendary comes in ST.

[vestal wren]

on two targets yes

lords rly feels bad on sub ngl

i hope 4p for sub is improving it, but i kind of doubt that

(with me having 1 piece at the moment)

[spice spire]

I’m also one piece gaming fuu. If it makes you feel any better

[vestal wren]

i still have a chance of one piece, will do lfr later today

[spice spire]

But also if you want to see the info for numbers you can check the #assassination-faq or !fuu

[vestal wren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[spice spire]

I’m vaulting for the second piece today

[vestal wren]

you got it on normal/heroic?

[spice spire]

Normal shoulders

Full 6 vault though, so a 278 would be nice

[vestal wren]

did you do lfr already?

[wide hawk]

which tier items can we get from lfr after reset?

[spice spire]

I unfortunately have

No legs

[hollow river]

Blessing your vault rn

[spice spire]

Maximizing that tier set chance

[hollow river]

I got legs from vault last week

As well

[spice spire]

I also set up the lockout on my warrior so only 5 vault on normal

[spice spire]

Tier chest this week, bless

[hollow river]

Ouch

I got my full 6 box on the rogue

And I think I got 2 raid box on warr

[spice spire]

I got a one box on warrior

Almost guaranteed two piece there if rogue doesn’t get it

[hollow river]

My warr is 0p atm

We just started alt normals this week

[spice spire]

I ran 1 dungeon week 1 on her

Tier helm

[hollow river]

I was too low ilvl for dungeons

She just hit 240 in our alt raid

[spice spire]

I was 246 and ran in a quickie 8

[hollow river]

Think I need to look into the rotation some more tbh

[spice spire]

Arms is pretty free. Haven’t even looked fury’s way

[hollow river]

I just slam builders and spend on enrage or whatever

[spice spire]

I press mortal strike on CD

[hollow river]

Running Venthyr Signet

Which I think is a bit troll anyway atm

[spice spire]

I was running ST leggo too, cba crafting and collecting signet

But it was tyran week

[hollow river]

Is signet good in m+ too?

[spice spire]

Signet of kings yeah for arms

[hollow river]

I imagine it’s decent

[spice spire]

Venthyr is dog water for arms though

[agile geode]

guys what are your toughts about cache of treasure trinket?

isnt too much op^

?

in istance with bleed it deals 10% damage overall

[vestal wren]

it does rly good damage

i like it

[agile geode]

y me too

but isnt it too much op?

[vestal wren]

i don't think it is op

[agile geode]

okok

[native belfry]

but why does it sim less for me than 1st boss trinket?

[vestal wren]

i don't think guardian drops a trinket

[subtle tundra]

its kinda rng aswell, you can just not get the axe at good times

and have it do bad dmg

[native belfry]

nah, I meant worm sry:D

Endless feast or whatever

[vestal wren]

oh

[spice spire]

Because of what varas said

[vestal wren]

bells is not great tho

it is good on pure st if you have kill times to proc 100 stacks

[spice spire]

Axe seems very good for all scenarios and axe itself is the damage bit of the trinket.
Sword might be good during some overlaps, but axe seems to be the universal winner

[vestal wren]

haha unless you play subtlety

then you sometimes want to be a mage and use a wand

high crit/haste works rly well for the trinket

and sin does like both of those stacks

[subtle tundra]

say you play cache with hunter and fire, you just got sword at the start of the pull and the other two dps burst the pack, by the time you can use axe the pack is almost dead

and for it to get full value you need 25 seconds of dps

but you can also have godpulls where there are like 15 mobs and just spam fok+ct(please dont get whispyr here, he will flame me for spamming ct)

[sonic schooner]

Spamming ct

[subtle tundra]

though, the bad usages dont really happen in very high keys cause packs take long to kill even with cds

[subtle tundra]

im like 99% sure its worth spamming ct with axe

[bleak sky]

sim it boiiii

you're a smart one varas

[subtle tundra]

i've outdps'd fires and warriors like that

good ones

[bleak sky]

but what if you just || played sub ||

[vestal wren]

potentially

but don't you use fans too in aoe

[subtle tundra]

maybe at like 6+? idk just saying random shit

this is #assassination

my brother

[vestal wren]

i corrected, my bad

[bleak sky]

fuu drinks too much sub juice

[subtle tundra]

sure, you do use fans

but not all fans crit

using rupture means gcd wasted on not getting the axe dmg

i'd say keep 4-5 ruptures and spam ct

but i know 0 numbers in terms of simming

its all from using the trinket in m+

[bleak sky]

feelcrafting monkaW

you're gonna get banned

[subtle tundra]

i play DS in m+:)

[bleak sky]

just wait until one of the green/oranges wake up

yo same

but different spec now

[vestal wren]

does not seem to be good to spam ct during the buff

esp on higher targets

[subtle tundra]

lalalalalalal i cant read you

i do what i want

lalalallalalalalal

[bleak sky]

[hollow river]

LOL

[normal mist]

That was gold

A true #assassination member

[vestal wren]

but giveme a sec to test a bit

[hollow river]

Dw Whispyr’s gonna decimate him later

[normal mist]

Yes but for now he's a hero

Let him have that for a while

[subtle tundra]

dropping 272 feet and 278 finger in one night, both downgrades does that to me

💀

[normal mist]

[hollow river]

[subtle tundra]

still 0 tier set drops gang, its fine wednesday is my day

[hollow river]

How were they downgrades lol

[subtle tundra]

🔬

[subtle tundra]

complete and utter dogshit stats

[vestal wren]

this was the best of the tests i did:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9EKENVUqhK47XjogffXM4J

[hollow river]

I dropped a socketed bloodbath signet last night

[vestal wren]

and it does not spam ct

[hollow river]

[subtle tundra]

aw man

[subtle tundra]

tbf finger will be 1 leggo and i can get crafted with whatever stats i want

[vestal wren]

should spam ct more
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gEtUfugJ7BuapuBx2B8dEZ

4 target sim

[subtle tundra]

i mean... thats low target

im not spamming on 4t

[vestal wren]

unsure if that keeps enough ruptures up to maintain a good energy economy tho

[subtle tundra]

on 4T trinket is being held, doesnt look on the meters smh

[vestal wren]

does not seem to change a lot if i switch to 8 targets in terms of relative strengh

[subtle tundra]

🤔

[vestal wren]

but it almost seems like then less you spam ct, then less of a loss it is

[subtle tundra]

i spam as a power move then

[vestal wren]

but there is hope for cache on two targets

insane increases by waving mutilate to keep the dot up on 2

[subtle tundra]

yesssssssssssss

(i do that)

23 dps in the baggg

[vestal wren]

but 🙈

[subtle tundra]

outWHO?

[vestal wren]

also

[subtle tundra]

hmmmmmmm

[hollow river]

What are these sims @vestal wren

[scenic marlin]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[hollow river]

All 2 targets I assume

[inner granite]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[vestal wren]

two target sims for treasure cache optimizations

[thin imp]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[umbral tulip]

Is it worth to spam CT on Lords of dread when they are in the swarm phase?

Or do I just FoK and keep the rest the same as usual?

[sand ridge]

how much better is sub than sin in m+?

[spice spire]

It seems to keep same as usual - maintain CT.

[spice spire]

A bit.
Shuriken storm being consistently 5Cp, while FoK is very much not is a huge boost for the sub boys

[sand ridge]

hmm thats true, enjoying the simple sub aoe but miss my sin

[hollow river]

I don’t even think we FoK at all during the fight except once to spread poison for every add spawn

We can’t take just the raw damage into account, we have to think about the garbage cp gen of fok as well.

Interested to see what’s for sure optimal to do

[fading wigeon]

with creation catalyst belts can be turned into tier pieces?

[hollow river]

M+ gear, pvp gear too I think

And it stays the same ilvl. It just changes the secondary stats to the same stats as the regular tier pieces of that slot

[hollow river]

Sorry no, belts can’t

[alpine latch]

Okay, so with DST, when is vault opening?

[hollow river]

Helm/chest/shoulders/legs/gloves

[hollow river]

DST?

[alpine latch]

Daylight Savings Time

We lost an hour on Sunday, but IDK how that impacts what time the GV opens

[hollow river]

Should be the same time as always

Shouldn’t change anything afaik

[alpine latch]

hmm, okay

Should be up in 53 then

[hollow river]

If servers come up then yeah

Does the vault not open as soon as servers are up?

[alpine latch]

Depends, there are a lot of times that the servers will only be down for like 30m

So they are up before the GV actually opens

[spice spire]

I wanna see that tier today boys

[glass tulip]

So are we now in est or edt

[alpine latch]

Cannot wait to open up my vault and see a 278 Phial and a 278 tier set and have people mad that I took Phial instead of tier

[slow marsh]

Kek

[spice spire]

[cobalt hemlock]

Actually whats the ilvl. From the thing that crafts the tier sets?

[alpine latch]

Yeah, what you get is whatever item level the base is

So if you use a 265 helm, you get a 265 tier helm

[green isle]

With subter, is for opener: garrote, snd, garrote or garrote,snd,ambush better?

[slow marsh]

Gar snd ambush

[spice spire]

Wat

[wide ridge]

May your vaults be blessed today roguefriends

[spice spire]

Yours as well mister skaeld

[zinc frost]

Tf is this?

[upbeat tinsel]

I'm convinced

[steel ridge]

uhhhh arachnid cipher ring socketed 😮

[fallow canopy]

Good luck sneaky buds

[clever kindle]

has to be something in a tier piece slot so head, shoulders, chest, legs, gloves

[viscid spear]

Channeling the dark magic for everyone to get good Vaults

[spice spire]

You as well mister kitten

Double two piece?

[hollow river]

Idk if I do it not. If there’s none in my box

[spice spire]

There will be home

[clever kindle]

in my box today there will be a 278 dagger and phial and also a 265 tier piece

[zinc frost]

My biggest fear

[spice spire]

Don’t need the dagger if you already have one

[sinful citrus]

In that situation you take phial and ignore the rest right? At least that's what I would do anyway

[strange python]

Lots of guilds mandating tier so you can trade

Might just lie tho

[sinful citrus]

Depends on how fast ur guild will prog thru mythic after watching wf raiders on halondrus I have no faith that my guild will drop him anytime soon lol

[red plaza]

Also it’s tough to get on a mythic roster if you don’t have tier and are competing against people who are

[alpine latch]

RIP, my Surface needs to update WoW before I can get in and see my vault 😦

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

lmao got mythic anduin tier on hunter

[spice spire]

Year of the spear?

[clever kindle]

I would take the dagger because I dont have sylv daggers and our somewhat dream setup can be obtained from raid

also I dont have another rogue to trade me in raid so

im stuck grinding for it where it will always be a few ilvl short, boxing it, or getting them from raid

[slow marsh]

heroic shoulder tier with speed tho

[spice spire]

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I got a 278 dagger last week. Took it immediately.

It's not the best, but it's only marginally worse than the "best" dagger

[slow marsh]

i had 278 ooze trink I thought about it for .5 seconds

[spice spire]

IDO

[slow marsh]

It's not bad after phial nerf but after raid trink buffs I don't think it's worth much anymore

[wide ridge]

259 shoulder tier or 278 gloves (non tier) that will eventually become a 278 tier if i use the thing a in a few weeks 🤔

[slow marsh]

it's almost always tier baby

only thing that beats out tier is weapon or bis trinket

[spice spire]

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush

Unless you’ll know today or tomorrow if you need the shoulder

Aka if you clear lords

[alpine latch]

RIP

[strange silo]

weapon is pretty fine or no?

[gusty mirage]

Holy shit that’s toxic

[spice spire]

Isn’t choker okay? Idt if that’s the haste or crit heavy neck

[gusty mirage]

It’s crit vers from spires

[spice spire]

OOOOF

[gusty mirage]

He takes dagger

[spice spire]

He got dagger last week

It’s OH

[gusty mirage]

Well looks like he’s got 2 now

[spice spire]

Yerrr

Vault yet mister oxi? Or we cooking it low and slow?

[gusty mirage]

Literally overslept and just woke up

[spice spire]

[slow marsh]

I wish Oxi the icebladesxyz rng

[spice spire]

Glad you got sleep homie sorry about oversleep tho

[limber lion]

Fun fact, that Azure-Venom Choker was the best neck that we had in 9.0 and 9.0.5.

[slow marsh]

yep now it's the tazzy neck

[limber lion]

Got plenty of options nowadays

[spice spire]

Wasn’t it also best in 9.1?

But yeah taz neck is nice

[alpine latch]

I literally already have the dagger as 278 also.

I got that last week

[limber lion]

KT and Remnant neck were better in 9.1

[spice spire]

• mine came with avoidance

[alpine latch]

It's like my vault wants me to cry today

[spice spire]

Ahhh bosses I never touched in mythic so it’s been my bis all tier

[slow marsh]

Ye it was my week 1 vault in 9.1

lasted quite awhile

[spice spire]

I ended up getting one with a socket like week 5-6

[alpine latch]

Running a sim now. I think the only option I have is the neck, which is annoying as fuck 😦

[spice spire]

So it was a banger for sure

Which again, replaced by a 259 taz neck with avoidance

[fading wigeon]

thank you, I had put the wrong screen shot there

lol

This is what I meant to post

[alpine latch]

Okay, so question

[spice spire]

[alpine latch]

The neck I think is like 85 DPS, which is my highest update (waiting on Sims to finish, basing it off of my previous +15 droptimizers)

If it's that low of a GV

Do I just take 265 chest and sit on it for Creation Catalyst?

Or go neck because I can get a chest from +15s

[spice spire]

Surely not since you can just m+ the chest, yeah?

[alpine latch]

blah

I guess, yeah - but the difference between a fully upgraded Valor neck and 278 is like 12 DPS

[brazen zodiac]

gl on ur vaults everyon

[alpine latch]

I gained 23 DPS

Week 2, and I gained 23 DPS

someone kill me

[wide ridge]

ppl in my guild getting 278 tiers all around

sheesh

[hollow river]

Weapon bro sick

[alpine latch]

I already have it

[strange python]

My guilds convinced rogue is shit rip

[clever kindle]

ah yes theyre shit thats why they had 2 rogues on crab boss

[glass tulip]

278 dagger vs tier shoulders why is the vault like this

[spice spire]

You clearing lords this week?

Early?

[alpine latch]

So is my guild, and yet none of them can beat me in damage

when they beat me they can talk

[glass tulip]

yeah we got 10/11H last week so we will be back through all of that by the end of tomorrow

[brazen zodiac]

LOL

idk mav gl with that

[spice spire]

I’d hold the vault then

[glass tulip]

but I don't think its worth holding

[brazen zodiac]

i cant wait to see what ima get

[spice spire]

If you get shoulders you can take dag yeah?

[wide ridge]

is there anywhere in game you can see the secondary stats of tier pieces?

instead of the token thing

[glass tulip]

yeah but I already have a 272 valor dag in the invent

just waiting to make the last upgrade on it to get it to 272

[fading wigeon]

3/5 !!!

hopefully gloves drop tonight!

[spice spire]

The. Yeah shoulders

[glass tulip]

or no item and I get 900 rep with the enlightened :)

[limber lion]

God the vault tier set is so weird

Soulblade Leathers is the chest and it drops from Rygelon

at 272 ilvl on Heroic

and 285 on Mythic

[fading wigeon]

oh wth

[limber lion]

yet you can get a 278 version from the vault

[fading wigeon]

lol

the inbetween

Didnt think of that

[limber lion]

Yeh crossed my mind because I have the heroic version of it

super weird

but hey, we'll take it

[fading wigeon]

hell yeah

[spice spire]

Warrior has 262 helm

[fading wigeon]

if i can get lucky with gloves tonight

I am set

[spice spire]

It’s very weird

[fading wigeon]

lol yeah I have 268 helm

lol

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire

we're 3pc gamers

[slow marsh]

you dont want that trinket?

[gusty mirage]

I was tempted

[spice spire]

Aight homie

We love to fucking see it

[gusty mirage]

why are the rogue shoulders vers mastery?

[spice spire]

Idk man

But I thought the same

[gusty mirage]

huge sub pvp shoulders

[thorn fjord]

got 275 shoulders but already had shoulders 😦

[spice spire]

That’s me today

I feel it in my bones

[thorn fjord]

believe and achieve

[spice spire]

No I mean I’ll be 1 piece only

[thorn fjord]

nah nah

BELIEVE AND ACHIEVE

[spice spire]

need the oxi blessing

[vestal wren]

1 tier club ^^

[wild mural]

Is lords of dread add damage bugged in logs?

[spice spire]

What do you mean?

[limber lion]

hey bring it back

I wasn't done reading it

[wild mural]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/3ahv6rDCmzQHJjNw/3ahv6rDCmzQHJjNw#fight=25,25&source=11,6&type=damage-done

One rogue is vanishing just bosses, the other vanish bosses + add when it’s gripped in. Same casts, obviously one died for a bit. But the garrote variance is very strange.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/864873222200623154/953327357580701756/unknown.png

[limber lion]

I wouldn't really care about stuff like that too much

A lot of things could be happening

[clever kindle]

especially if they died

rezzed and not buffed etc

[limber lion]

1. Reapplying too early and not letting the subterfuge garrote tick down entirely
2. Not using the subterfuge garrotes inside the Vendetta windows
3. Uptime on bosses differs
4. Shadowlands 5% damage variance
5. Crits

And so on

[clever kindle]

2 seems most likely maybe hes dropping the garrotes before vend?

[proven dew]

hello im a fellow enh shaman, im aiming to play rogue in wotlk. Which race do u suggest for pve Orc or Troll ?

[clever kindle]

obviously outside of the uptime issues caused by dying/missed casts

[limber lion]

You can see that Bellein has a 5k higher Avg Cast compared to Plouffe, but you have to keep in mind all of the things that I listed

[bleak sun]

Orc are fine
https://media.tenor.com/images/03bc4cd67f6003aa21d4d25b3f9632f5/tenor.gif

[spice spire]

#classic-discussion unfortunately this is primarily a retail bit

[burnt patio]

is there a guide on the opener with nf and 4 pc?

[wild mural]

Thanks

[glossy tulip]

nothing like a tier piece or a phat dagger choice in the vault. never been so heartbroken in the game before

[foggy temple]

at what point should I go NF or should I already be there?

[spice spire]

4p

[hollow river]

All these vaults making me wish I was at home

Ready to see what awaits

[oak sky]

my turn

[quasi grotto]

do we still craft zol with crit haste?

[oak sky]

crit haste crit mastery

mastery is just more aoe for m+ its not much different

[quasi grotto]

literally crafting for panth tbh

havent crafted it since SLG haha

[oak sky]

my vault was ass

[quasi grotto]

how ass

mines tomorrow 😦

[oak sky]

ring i think

[quasi grotto]

yeah probably ring

decent stats

[hollow river]

278 soleahs is decent isn’t it?

[oak sky]

hope not

[hollow river]

Ring is pretty poggo as well but idk if it’s “bis”

[oak sky]

it gets replaced by so much shit

[polar cape]

You can flex it on healer tough

[hollow river]

True

[quasi grotto]

wth i cant see zold at runecarver

[oak sky]

does rogue heal now or what?

[alpine radish]

My favourite part of tuesday

[hollow river]

Do you have the right base item with you?

[alpine radish]

Seeing na vaults before my vault tomo

[spice spire]

And follow up, did you learn Zoldyck’s?

[alpine radish]

Ring or legs ?

[oak sky]

the legs are ass

[alpine radish]

Soleah is good though

[oak sky]

not tier

obviously

[alpine radish]

Id take ring personally

[quasi grotto]

i forgot it can only go on certain pieces, yikes ! bought back as i have 0 item for it

[oak sky]

I would sim it personally

and i already said ring looks the best

[alpine radish]

If you upgraded a soleah the dps difference would be marginal

Got a socket version last week stonks

[hollow river]

Agreon

Don’t you have 2P

[oak sky]

yes

[hollow river]

I see

How does it feel

Does it feel like you need 4p

[oak sky]

its ok in keys

does feel different in raid at all

doesnt

[hollow river]

I didn’t think it would

[oak sky]

its the ring btw

[hollow river]

?

Bigger upgrade you mean?

[oak sky]

from my vault

ye

and cos ring is never going away

[hollow river]

o:

[alpine radish]

Idd

[hollow river]

I got one last night with a socket

From top

[alpine radish]

With duskwalkers ring you are sorted

Unless we put that somewhere else now

[hollow river]

Too bad I’m basically maining sub now

[oak sky]

yeah pretty much

[alpine radish]

Just gotta wait for that two set

[oak sky]

once i work on my sub a bit I'll be sub on at least half the bosses

[alpine radish]

4 set'

[hollow river]

I’ve gotten a decent amount of crit vers stuff but I need more

But even Venthyr sub sims like 800 higher than sin for me

Haven’t even simmed Kyrian

[oak sky]

yeah my sub gear is ok

[hollow river]

Want to try Kyrian but I like switching specs mid raid so venth it is atm

Really want to play necro sin for pantheon

[oak sky]

I'm gonna be necro sin for sausage pantheon dread and rygelon for sure

and first boss ig

[hollow river]

Lihuvim

Prolly decent for necro

[oak sky]

but not really better

[hollow river]

Really

[oak sky]

venthyr sub for xymox and lihuvim for sure

and anduin

[hollow river]

Idk about Lihuvim

[oak sky]

kyrian sub for skolex (lol) halondrus and jailer

[hollow river]

I thought sin with CT was decent on Lihuvim

But ig sub does more dam anyway

[oak sky]

yeah its ok but why would it ever be better

[hollow river]

Because we want it to be

[oak sky]

I almost can replace the stupid aa ring

[hollow river]

Lol

[oak sky]

literally sandbagging my ilvl

that and faulty

[hollow river]

Same with sylv daggers lol

I’m still like 256 ilvl

[brazen zodiac]

lol

[hollow river]

But my bag ilvl is like 260

[oak sky]

only running 1 sylv dagger tho

[brazen zodiac]

2 weeks in a row 278 tier pieces

so based

[oak sky]

yeah im 260 equipped

[brazen zodiac]

so fucking based

[hollow river]

[brazen zodiac]

so based

idk

3% chance btw

[oak sky]

I'm literally gonna natty drop tier

all 4

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

and probably start having to take sockets next week

[hollow river]

Bro I can’t natty drop anything to save my life

Ever

Sylv daggers from vault

Tier

Dom sockets

Everything

[oak sky]

ive been natty dropping a lot tbh

[hollow river]

And now we use RC lootcouncil so I can’t roll on anything that matters

[oak sky]

i got 4 pieces last week then traded another

of course 2 of those were dogshit pieces

that i cant use

[hollow river]

Of course

Why would they be good

[timid cloud]

Just got a 278 Crit/Haste helm...

Guess I'll just wait until week 9...

[oak sky]

well i mean one of them thats useable was tier so its not fully doomed

[timid cloud]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/5ijrZ0VmwJpo6MZazIdEzoChfWOy65jZenyxBgcx7gM/https/i.gyazo.com/5ba48b934f260550c95b7962a66c1e3e.png

[slow marsh]

nice head tho

[timid cloud]

Ye...

[oak sky]

if i can get that haste crit ring off lihuvim maybe i can get rid of aa ring

that would make me happy

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