assassination

[austere lintel]

Good afternoon gents and ladies.
With 9.2 coming up, is there any idea what gear slot the DP leggo is going to be?

[vestal wren]

nope

if you want to be secure you can put it on a non tier set slot, but it might not be the optimal slot

[strange python]

What are the "ideal" stats to have/maintain?

[vestal wren]

you usually go on a piece per piece level and not with some pre defined "X amunt of haste, Y amount of versa, Z amount of cit"

so there is no perfect answer to this question

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Crit >= Haste > Vers > Mastery
Note: Having a frost set equipped makes crit much better, usually making it your best stat by a good margin.

[strange python]

Since i've been trying to push keys on my assassin I'm not quite sure on to focus Haste over crit.

[vestal wren]

thats a very rough priority, but again you will use simulations

[potent dagger]

Haste seems to gain quite a huge value with the set , an crit to loose some

since we no longer have the frost set

[strange python]

I'm not even using the Dom set for my rouge currently since I've been focusing on keys.

[vestal wren]

you should use the gems, as they give you some quite noticable dps

the set is irrelevant in m+ as its dissabled

[potent dagger]

On multi target i tend to get a bunch more mastery , but that's no game breaker

[strange python]

alright.

[potent dagger]

it's sad but it tend to be Agi above everythiong , thus ilevel above all :/

[strange python]

true that lol'

[potent dagger]

That's why in the end , i will probably craft one of my lego on Chest using the 4 other set parts

[rugged flare]

Do you guys think Ass rogue will be able to put up big numbers in 9.2? Probably a silly question

[vestal wren]

if you play correct you should put out high numbers compared to when you play badly

the "what is best" question you probably wanted to ask is just not relevant at this point

[rugged flare]

yeah I know its a dumb question

[vestal wren]

just wait for tuning if you want to know what is best

[potent dagger]

it's a little too early to tell

[rugged flare]

My other options is enhance but my hands are hurting from playing it lol

[vestal wren]

tuning usually happens around mythic raid opening

[potent dagger]

Rogue will always by viable no matter what

[rugged flare]

Aight

[vestal wren]

any class is viable always

and how competitive specs are comes down on the level of play

i also think that rogue is more dependent on tuning that other specs and in a melee spot

so if you raid top 100 or more likely top 20 you might depend on that

rogue with current ptr tuning is strong esp. subtlety has a very high baseline

[cobalt hemlock]

i just started to play sub for first few times in m+ and its already doing more dmg than im doing on assa which im preety comfortable with. and the question is now. was i just bad at assa. good on sub. or is just sub that much better in m+

or all of the above

[vestal wren]

subtlety is quite good atm, so i would go with the option that its the spec first 😛

also it depends on the dungeon, low target optimizations are hard for subtlety, but not relevant in big aoe dungeons

so at least for subtlety, i think its fairly easy to peform decently well in dungeons with a lot of big pulls

[cobalt hemlock]

i played sub in mists and assa in plaguefall

[winter gale]

Is frost shards ways to go as assa raiding ?

[vestal wren]

yes

[winter gale]

I currently have Doomblade leggo on back piece, is that the one I should pump up or?

[empty hinge]

if u have r5 frost shards get dashing on back

[winter gale]

Ty

Soon Ill have 3rd, absorb one, on 5th rank.

[vestal wren]

just in time for 9.2 to lose them

[indigo mulch]

Ugh, its going to feel horrible to lose all that crit though :/

Back to stacking haste i guess.

[balmy condor]

We still play crit haste

[indigo mulch]

Yeah, but as venthyr you don't need as much haste. 😒

Right now i'm sitting on like 50ish crit.

[balmy condor]

Good god

[viscid spear]

I will say my Crit is better than last you saw, Whispyr
Still need more tho

[glass tulip]

I need more crit

also my main gear is a speed set

[hexed frost]

Good for chasing fleeing mobs for a 5-point rupture i suppose

[pure moth]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/q7hWANtBawZ6Mc94/#boss=2434&difficulty=5&wipes=1 Can someone please look at my soulrender attempts to see what i can change up. its inconsistent.

[sinful citrus]

Looks like you are missing cd uses try to send Shiv on cd

At least on your best attempt

Same with vendetta and try not to overlap on cp finish at max -1

[pure moth]

On the best attempts i died. So that explains the cd usage as for timers

[sinful citrus]

Well you could have fit another Shiv even with dieing at 5 50

And ur 3rd vendetta would be around 4min you only had 2

[pure moth]

Oh dang

[loud mason]

any commands to see opener rotation ?

[sinful citrus]

The cp thing isn't huge you only wasted 8 on mut which could be just crits

[pure moth]

I was also laggy all night so things werent registering as being hit. So i would spam hit keys

Didnt help the situation

[sinful citrus]

Also try to snipe the adds with mfd

[pure moth]

Thats why it took me 13 seconds to get going vs like 6

Ok

I was able to snipe a few for full cp envenoms or ruptures on the boss. I guess i need to just try and land more mfd once the ads are stacked.

[sinful citrus]

My kill for soulrender was exactly 7 min and I had 15 casts of Shiv and 4 vendetta with 5 flags

[pure moth]

Got it

[glass tulip]

venthyr mfd opener

[limber lion]

Almost

[glass tulip]

this isn't my log, I dont remember what I pulled it from

but I think it's the same except for I vendetta/trink after rupture and agi pot usually goes with garrote

[sonic schooner]

Wanna mfd 20s before pull to get alactrity and snd running, opening mut garr flag ruptur shiv vend

[glass tulip]

[limber lion]

Almost

[sonic schooner]

i failed master 😔

[hexed frost]

@marble hemlock I have joined the necro doomblade appreciation club

If only exsang was good enough

It's a 15 ToP for a friend btw

[brazen zodiac]

listen here if whisp says my 48% too much then u smokin crack

hardcore down bad

chaos orbs just 2 rare ig

[glass tulip]

raidbots says dont change

so

[brazen zodiac]

xd

[glass tulip]

mr. ramfam is popping off this week

29 tyr dos

[gusty mirage]

I can get some donger picks for my 4 chaos orbs???

sign me up

[glass tulip]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7eehHCPgSuZrKnEib6PQHA

speed

[gusty mirage]

fuck it full send with the speed gem

[bleak sky]

S H E E S H RICH BOI 4 C NET WORTH

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-chappelle-money-chappelle-king-cash-gif-5008243

[neon belfry]

I find stat priority very confusing between icy veins and wowhead. Talk to me like I'm 5 what is the best general stat priority for assassin rogues so I can lvl the right gear

[sinful citrus]

Trust the robot ignore stats and just Sim it much easier

[bleak sky]

are you still leveling?

[neon belfry]

I'm leveled 60 with 200 korthia gear and starting to do some decent dps. The Korthia gear I've been getting has a ton of mastery, some critical strike, 3rd is haste, and very low versatility. Should I dump some of the mastery for haste? WOWHEAD says one thing icy veins another.

[bleak sky]

just get more ilvl, doesn't really matter

but generally crit > haste > others

[marble hemlock]

It's not really a club I'm in willingly, and more sheer laziness.

[hexed frost]

Why laziness?

I'm willing to stay necro for the remaining tier. Let's see how far I can push. Bone spike free CP giga.

[marble hemlock]

Cause i sometimes log in for main raid, fly to sod, step in and realize I'm necro still. I then say "good enough" to myself and don't go out again to switch to venthyr.

[brazen zodiac]

yes sir

exalted orb in act 5

you love to see it ladies and gent

[strange python]

Hi guys, as a returning player, with a fresh 60 assa rogue, what legendary should I focus on crafting for the next patch ?

[gusty mirage]

if you go venthyr you're safe to make obedience for now. Next tier we're crafting duskwalker's when we get the 4pc

I would not craft duskwalkers now

[brazen zodiac]

looks at the 262 duskwalker ring in my bag

[subtle tundra]

wtf

and you drop ex in a5?

[strange python]

@gusty mirage ok thanks, Dashing Scoundrel/Doomblade not worth for 9.2 at the beggining ? saw everybody with these on wl

[hollow river]

dashing loses value without the frost shard set

[gusty mirage]

you can make doomblade if you want

[hollow river]

but afaik obedience is the play

[gusty mirage]

but venthyr & obedience will be better

[strange python]

Ok so obedience it is, thanks mates !

[brazen zodiac]

yeah idk

best part is i didnt even know

bf just goes "lul nice exalt" then dipped

[toxic quail]

@bleak sky 25 NW done bro. Almost 2 chest.

Assa in high keys is so sick. To me at least.

[subtle tundra]

it is sick, just is worse in almost every aspect to sub

[glass tulip]

Except you can silence to help group packs 🙃

[toxic quail]

whats sub?

[glass tulip]

Subpar

Subpar rogue

[toxic quail]

exactly

trash spec tbh

once they got rid of DFA it was a dead spec to me

[glass tulip]

Imagine needing funnel mobs to do big ST

Nerds

[bleak sky]

HUGE

yeah you can actually play the game

it's insane

[subtle tundra]

except they do similar/more ST than assa even without funnel

[gusty mirage]

yeah man its so much fun

just wish it was easier to set up the funnel

[whole mason]

Covenant and build please?

[toxic quail]

I normally run Zoldyck but this time I ran with Venthyr Obedience for more boss dmg

[bleak sky]

zoldyck on tyra

[toxic quail]

KEKW i just personally dont like Obedience. But it is good nonetheless.

[echo geyser]

TTK EB 60% crit when?

[viscid spear]

[lyric crater]

is neroc any good for 9.2 or just meh

[balmy condor]

meh

it might be good on like pantheon

or to pad aoe in m+

but it's never really the preferred choice

[fathom flax]

Big sad

Want my big boi shields for prog 😦

[bleak sky]

necro might be good for pantheon

who knows

[whole mason]

necro should be very good for pantheon alike boss if bugs are fixed. multiple huge targets, switch target with SBS, critical rush time (zold potential)

[spice spire]

I do, there’s word that of all the bosses in the next raid, it might shine the most on pantheon

Idk tho, could just be a rumor

[hexed frost]

Any IQD appreciators here? For M+ atleast?

I have a 239 SFA and the 246 IQD sims 90 points higher in DSlice. But i wonder what is the right way to use it? Hold it for executes or just spam it on CD?

[woeful gyro]

I've got a super stupid question. But for two target cleave without the use of flag or vendetta do I use shiv at all? I've just done a sim that skips those two CD's and its telling not to shiv.

[balmy condor]

spam at the start of packs

[balmy condor]

it definitely should shiv

can you link it?

[woeful gyro]

Its a simulation craft sim. How do I link that?

[balmy condor]

oh god

a local sim

there's an export to html function

on reports

should be able to save off an html

and then send that

[hexed frost]

Does doomblade get affected by external bleeds, like from trinkets or the painsmith weapon?

[balmy condor]

no

[woeful gyro]

Okay I just did it on raidbots and it tells me to use shiv. Is using raidbots better than local sims?

[balmy condor]

I mean raidbots uses simulationcraft

they're the same thing

except raidbots is cloud servers

and local sims are 100x slower

and harder to set up

and the UI is less intuitive

and you have to do a lot of work to get top gear sims

or gem sims

or literally any modern sim feature

so tldr

[woeful gyro]

I'm too stupid to work out how to link the simulationcraft. But I put in the exact same input and it tells me not to shiv

[balmy condor]

no it's not better, but it is MUCH easier

[woeful gyro]

Fair fair

[balmy condor]

when was the last time you updated simulationcraft

[woeful gyro]

I have the most recent one 915-01

[balmy condor]

okay that actually doesn't tell me much

[woeful gyro]

oh, ill redownload it now then 😛

[balmy condor]

on the report

that you get

does it say "build" at the top somewhere

[woeful gyro]

9.1.5.41359 Live (hotfix 2021-12-14/41359, git build 0c6b566)

[balmy condor]

okay

so you're over 2 months out of date

[woeful gyro]

Didn't think that would affect shiv though, Ill download the new one and see how it goes

[balmy condor]

well we update APL's and stuff

pretty much constantly

you're probably missing like 300+ additions/changes to simc, some obviously don't affect rogue, but might affect core simcraft, fix bugs that arise, etc

that's the other benefit of raidbots

updates nightly

only reason to use local sims these days are like super early beta of expansions for theorycrafters honestly

we don't even use local sims for PTR stuff for 9.x patches

[woeful gyro]

Ahkay, but yeah updating has fixed it. Thanks for you help 😄 I'll have to get used to using raidbots then 😛

[balmy condor]

yeh would highly suggest it

think there's a command as well

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[balmy condor]

hell yeh

look at me knowing bot commands

[woeful gyro]

The only reason I started messing with simcraft was because of the stat scaling and the DPS distribution. The apl is also nice to read ;p

[balmy condor]

that's all accessible off raidbots

raidbots is simulationcraft

you just have to open the report

shows you everything

but stat scaling is kinda fucky

unless you plot it with pretty high precision

usually those sims take me about 2 hours

on my 3850x

pretty much unusable

[woeful gyro]

Oh? I didn't know that! I just assumed that raidbots was the userfriendly version that hid most of the stuff for easy reading. Yeah I would leave my run over night.

[balmy condor]

and the data ain't even that useful tbh

it presents the info in an easy read

but the report is still the report

it just takes the data in the report and shows it in a nice version

[hexed frost]

@balmy condor For M+, i have never experienced energy issues and find myself overcapping energy easily. So i added more mastery gear over haste, and i'm also running with alacricity. Is it ok?

[balmy condor]

looks great babe stats don't matter stay woke

[woeful gyro]

Really? I was just using the stats to try out different sims.

[arctic walrus]

@balmy condor for M+ are these okay?

[balmy condor]

great

perfect stats

[arctic walrus]

okay it is my priest

[balmy condor]

love that for you

[arctic walrus]

do you really though

[balmy condor]

literally don't care what any of the numbers in that image are

[arctic walrus]

I have a feeling you're being sarcastic

[balmy condor]

no

I'm dead serious

you just sent me this

@balmy condor for M+ are these okay?

[arctic walrus]

if you were dead serious though you'd end the sentence in a period

[balmy condor]

that's what I see

[arctic walrus]

I think what you linked is bugged

[arctic walrus]

dont see anything

[balmy condor]

yeah

neither do I

[arctic walrus]

no that can't be right

I definitely linked you a picture

[balmy condor]

yeah

this?

[arctic walrus]

no see it happened again

just a blank screen

[balmy condor]

oh weird

let me try again

[bleak sky]

get a room you two wtf

[balmy condor]

these stats?

[arctic walrus]

I think it's a mental delay or something

[empty hinge]

[hexed frost]

Whispyr wildin'

[wise herald]

I can't see it either

[arctic walrus]

so anyway look at this poe item i just got @balmy condor

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/939771490621067304/unknown.png

[balmy condor]

looks great

[arctic walrus]

see i'm starting to think you're messing with me

cuz i just olinked a blank pic

[balmy condor]

idk I closed my eyes and the item was in front of me

vibrant colors and all

[oak sky]

@balmy condor wheres the bis list in your wowhead article it seems incomplete

[balmy condor]

bro if wowhead didn't require me to make bis lists in the guide that whole page would be GONE

[oak sky]

[arctic walrus]

the bag can't be that worth

dont bend your moral compass

[balmy condor]

insider secret btw, we don't care about the bis lists, so we legit just start on the last boss and fill in slots, going backwards

[oak sky]

😮

[balmy condor]

and it's within like 1% of an actual bis list

[oak sky]

its funny because its almost accurate lol

yeah

theres like 2 gear pieces off or something

[balmy condor]

50 sub pages on a guide just to generate clicks

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

I thought we cancelled capitalism man

what is this

2022 and businesses are making money

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

I hate it

[oak sky]

money exists nooooooooo

@balmy condor its getting to be time

[balmy condor]

I'm 77 on fae now

just a couple callings to go

[oak sky]

kyrian is my last one

[balmy condor]

and then necro

45 on necro

banger

[oak sky]

im gonna get to 72 then ill get the next 8 done with callings and weeklies

[bronze pike]

i feel you

i just finished necro on my ret paladin, just started on fae

[versed mica]

whispyr kinda spicy tonight damn

[slow marsh]

whispyr is always spicy

that's his secret

[winter gale]

Morning ppl. I wanted to ask, are shards gone in next patch?

I saw some videos about sub being top notch spec for next tier and they are using blood ones*

[bleak sky]

Yes they are gone

[fathom flax]

They stop working with patch

You might do more damage as sub for the first week or two til you get 4p but then you have to play sub

[vestal wren]

nothing wrong with subtlety

assassination possibly only becomes competitive once you have 4p

[fathom flax]

Oui

Depends what your tolerance for bugged tier sets is right

[vestal wren]

but there is still a big question about tuning chnages

wdym orrock?

[winter gale]

So no need to play for shards as I am preparing my char for next patch anyways. Can you tell me whats most important staff to do to prepare for next patch? I am spamming covenants, all 4. I need to prepare materials for leggos or craft rank 6 of some already?

[hollow river]

you said sub twice

[fathom flax]

Isn’t sub tier bugged because of all the different things shadowstrike interacts with and blizz wants it to work with all of them

They fixed Akaaris

But still some things not working

[vestal wren]

you haven't followed #subtlety or #916284169057878037 very well

[hollow river]

depending on what spec you're going to play from the very beginning, you will need a legendary for it

[vestal wren]

most bugs did get fixed with the last ptr update

[winter gale]

Dont let my quote about sub make any debate, I saw that from Marcelian Online 😂

[fathom flax]

Joy

[hollow river]

didn't mean you :d

[fathom flax]

I see sun being better than ass for first boss and anduin atm

Just looking at the fights

But who knows until patch hits

Patch day changes, heroic week changes

[winter gale]

@hollow river I would love to play assa tbh. But I will play whats suggested or supposed to be best.

[vestal wren]

also the haste snapshotting for assassination could be seen as bug

[hollow river]

it's very up in the air atm

[slow marsh]

it's not haste snapshotting but yeah they have confirmed it as a bug but are thinking about leaving it in

[vestal wren]

only thing i still need to check if ER with 4p is fixed

for subtlety

[hollow river]

all 3 specs are looking good ATM though

[fathom flax]

Not a single person predicted playing frost set with current leggo so it’s kinda moot trying to figure out what’s best

[oak sky]

They said they might keep it so at this point if they remove it its just a nerf

[winter gale]

Ill just prepare assa for start cause it always ended up as viable option, even if it started as bottom ground 😂

[hollow river]

then just get Obedience ready 🙂

[vestal wren]

yes, the bluepost did talk about it

[hollow river]

can also be used with sub

[winter gale]

👍❤️

[fathom flax]

You’ll wanna use obedience patch day anyway coz current lego is shit with no frost set

[vestal wren]

also one of the big reasons for subtleties dominant position is the sylvanas dagger

[fathom flax]

Loses value with no frost*

[hollow river]

yeah if you can get sylv daggers sub is stronk

[vestal wren]

comparing sub with 1 legendary 4p to assassination 1 legendary 4p without sylvanas dagger iirc had assassination come out slightly ahead

[hollow river]

im hyped i got 2 now

[subtle kiln]

just go back to doomblade

[fathom flax]

Q_1

[fathom flax]

Gross

[quasi hill]

If I wanna play NF/assa for first week, is this a) a good idea and b) which legendary do I need for raid/m+

[hollow river]

what do you think sub will play heroic week/first mythic weeks

[winter gale]

Doomblade is what I have, I crafted it before quitting (got a son, not because of the game 😂) and it’s 249or something.

[hollow river]

with no tier 1 leggo

obedience? or er

[subtle kiln]

whatever is better for the fight

[hollow river]

looking like RC atm

[slow marsh]

not true but i guess your point stands

[fathom flax]

I doubt it because frost only became good when it got buffed?

[slow marsh]

2 strikes now

[fathom flax]

Gosh tell me more

Regardless it’s semantics, whatever we talk about now could change tomorrow

A week ago druids we’re playing kyrian

I even paid for my restondruids lego for a pocket simp

Stitched up

[slow marsh]

Yeah that's why I said that the point kinda still stands, there is still more balance and tuning to be had but to say that nobody knew about dashing frost is just wrong.

[oak sky]

Hes right about everyone playing unholy before frost got buffed tho

Nobody was on frost before the buffs in like week 2 or 3

[hollow river]

but iirc it had been simmed i think?

[fathom flax]

Yeah what he said but in my voice

[oak sky]

Mightve been simmed but i cant really remember frost getting talked about much before the buffs+ high crit profile

[vestal wren]

rly depends on tuning

with current tuning, there isn't to much reason to play anything else than subtlety

[hollow river]

[vestal wren]

but assuming the patch comes on 22nd, there are 2 weeks worth of balance changes, and potential changes for mythic week

[subtle kiln]

haha asked about covenants and fuu bitch slaps the assa enjoyers.

[vestal wren]

e.g. blizz can decide at any point that they want to remove sylvanas dagger from the equation

[hollow river]

i asked about leggo

[vestal wren]

and suddenly you have more incentive to play assassination

assassination gets most benefits from 4p + dusk

so this is the point that rly brings it live

[subtle kiln]

once fuu bot starts there is no stopping it

[hollow river]

assa 2p is decent

[vestal wren]

oh, i missread. I thought the question is if sub was the play

[hollow river]

haha

[subtle kiln]

i know weird to see sub lego questions in the assa spec channel.

[hollow river]

nah i meant like no tier set no 2x leggo for sub

what the best single leggo would be

[subtle kiln]

the rotten

[vestal wren]

i did some sims for 2p/4p in #916284169057878037 for 1 lego

[hollow river]

assuming RC

[bleak sky]

Nf assassin is behind until 4p

[hollow river]

yeah i saw those

[quasi hill]

Ok

[hollow river]

i mean ig i could sim it myself eh

😄

was jw your thoughts

[vestal wren]

subtlety will play the covenant legendary with 1 lego pmuch on all relevant covenants

assassination won't switch to nf before getting 4p from what i saw

so biggest quetsion is still how easy it will be to get 4p

[sonic schooner]

Easier than dom shard + dom socket I hope

[vestal wren]

that for sure, but i wouldn't call that a big achivement

you basically have 9 chances in vault to get a tier piece and can get the tier piece in heroic/normal (also tradable in normal if somone had a heroic drop)

[subtle kiln]

you’re hoping to get very lucky to have it by end of second raid week with the boss lockouts.

[dark token]

can the vault tier be upgraded

lets say i get 236 tier for example in vault cause is uck at pvp then get glad later in season

[vestal wren]

no, its fixed itemlevel

[dark token]

can i up it with conq

[vestal wren]

from what i know

[dark token]

ok

[vestal wren]

but it could be possible to get tier pieces from bosses that you haven't killed.
But don't quote me on that

[sonic schooner]

Yea so how will it work with pvp because it's not only 3 ilvltier

I wish I could get a sylv vault without killing her 😔

[vestal wren]

its a big questionmark tho, but if i didn't misunderstood it they just add all tier sets to the vault loot table

[subtle kiln]

first week you’re only filling 2/3 boss raid slots in the vault unless the change it

[vestal wren]

you can only get 3 tier pieces first week from raid loot

[dark token]

from what i understand vault tier from m+ and pvp can drop any slot and any ilvl

[vestal wren]

^

[dark token]

so you can get like jailer tier from pvping

10 keys a must first week

[vestal wren]

if the loot is not bound to raid kills, its possible that the wfr players will try to get 4p from chest

[dark token]

100%

[vestal wren]

and given the trend of bucket chars and 9 chances for tier drops, it does not seem impossible

[subtle kiln]

you have 8 first week

not 9

[vestal wren]

worse case they still can try to get them in split heroic/normal

oh true

[sonic schooner]

That's why they re all having 4 copies of the same character now

[vestal wren]

they lable them as bucket chars iirc

but to be fair, the wfr will do every questionable thing to gain a advantage

[sonic schooner]

Yea and that's fair

[subtle kiln]

they all want to be in playing. do what you need to

[sonic schooner]

We ve seen with splits and korthia

[dark token]

speaking of korthia i cant believe they ar e hard nerfing rep gains to make korthia 2.0

cause everyone LOVED rep grinding through rares

suramar was a decent rep zone but ever since then they were all trash

[vestal wren]

my point is, that even if it seems rly stupid and requires excessive amounts of extra effort.
If there is a high chance to get a advantage. It will be tone by the wfr players

so, while its funny to observe from the outside, those shananigans don't apply to all raiders

[dark token]

well i mean all raiders will want to try and get 9 boxes first couple weeks

just a lot of content to do in addition to korthia 2.0 shit rep grind

[subtle kiln]

i wish they would just put the unity belt as a reward for the first week of raiding and unlock the memory for week 3 of mythic (not rep gated). would smooth out the power gains and let people possibly play something different spec setup wise.

[vestal wren]

having big power gains handed over from npcs also makes a lot of sense

compared to "ah ye, lets destroy this legendary item to re-craft the exact same on a different item"

just in terms of UX, the first one actually involves the player more into the story

[subtle kiln]

maybe they don’t consider 29 ilvls and choosing secondary stats to be a power gain. just irritating that they get close with a lot of the decisions but end up making more headaches to “extend fun”

[oak sky]

Their idea is to naturally make the raid easier but I think a lot of us are worried that its gonna make most of the raid fall over

[vestal wren]

i mean, they coul have the stats + power as a dynamic system like azerite neck

[vestal wren]

tuning of the raid def. is a big questionmark. But mythic could be tuned for 4p 1 legendary

[oak sky]

The other concern is the fun value for world first guys but obviously i think thats less important than it making the raid too easy for the rest of us

[vestal wren]

the current raid was for the most part fairly easy with all the systems in place

[oak sky]

Yep

[vestal wren]

but i don't think it rly made it feel worse, there might be some people upset at the very high world ranks

[oak sky]

Idk I feel like it cheapens the prog when you hit the huge gear spike

[vestal wren]

or guilds who wanted to clear it with more limited gear but just got the raid naturally nerfed by items

[oak sky]

Because whatever fight ur stuck on instantly becomes 5%+ easier

[vestal wren]

i mean

you could at any time just say that you want to not take the X extra dps

and play for the challange

even this tier, a lot of guilds did struggle on painsmith or sylvanas

and this with a what a lot of ppl say is a "easy tier"

[oak sky]

Yeah but if you struggle that much you need the full scope of gear anyway

Where you get your gains doesnt make a difference when your kills are as late as possible

[vestal wren]

power level is often a tool for guilds to balance out missing play skill, bad raid combinations or similar

in the end you have a lot of guilds who progress that are far from having bis gear

but inherently get compared to groups with good combination, high player expertise and bis gear

having a natural decrease in difficultly from power level gains is a good way to open up mythic raiding more and allow more guilds to participate

[oak sky]

So is direct nerfs

[vestal wren]

its just a diffrent way of nerfing content

but if you compare sl raids to e.g. older raids, you will see that far less boss nerfs are done

the reason people complain about it in 9.1.5 is because the power level gain did unlock to early

[oak sky]

Omitting an entire system means the nerfs are less controlled because it affects different classes differently

[vestal wren]

basically making even wfr damage checks a bit redundant

[subtle kiln]

two day CE raiding is a struggle. I wish I had more time to commit to a third day. While skill can always be a factor, maintaining a roster that only raids twice a week has typically been more of a struggle than skill level.

[oak sky]

Direct boss nerfs just chanhe the boss

[vestal wren]

tier sets and other things are somewhat controlled nerfs too

[subtle kiln]

gearing also changes the boss “hold dps”. nzoth and corruption was legit their best no nerf while nerfing the boss each week with corruption resistance.

[vestal wren]

ofc execution/balance can be whack but the intent is to have a similar power level gain across classes

we basically exaggerate on the point of balance if we complain that one class gets 7% dps while the other one only gets 6%

while the entire raid overall gets stronger relatively linear

[vestal wren]

i think nyalotha was a good raid, even tho i think it was a weak last boss

[subtle kiln]

overall I enjoyed it. getting CE felt satisfying (doesn’t always).

some of the other systems were cringe

[vestal wren]

we barely didn't get it

we had to stop raiding because people failed after 200 attempts on mechanics that are known in normal/heroic

[subtle kiln]

jaina didn’t feel rewarding at all

[vestal wren]

the motivation from the raiders just wasn't there to kill the boss, or the skill level was to low

[subtle kiln]

the spell que was so annoying

and the forced visual impairment to an already visually impaired person was just shit

[vestal wren]

i did not like the fight design wise too

but i also think that sylvanas could be better designed

[true lark]

hey is there any mechanic (in any spec) that extends rupture duration on target? i forget

[oak sky]

Sylv was pretty good on mythic

[subtle kiln]

i don’t even mind sylvanas, the first two phases are just too long. I would have rather seen p3 been more of a focus vs the 10+ minutes to redo every pull

[oak sky]

Yeah its rough having it be so long

[subtle kiln]

i’m curious what tanks think of the fight, since they have specific jobs

[oak sky]

P1 and p2 are much better designed in mythic than heroic but they get long and boring

[subtle kiln]

take your wipe count and then figure out how long you’ve spent in those two phases and you realize the real pain of the shadowlands.

we’re all venthyr getting our lashes for anima

[oak sky]

Our p2 prog was pretty short actually

Our biggest issue was p1 deaths for a while

[subtle kiln]

it’s also a difficult fight to have a bench player come in on.

i think our roster is 26. we’ve got doctors, lawyers and a couple other with rotating schedules so we need a bit more flexibility

but that’s an us thing

[oak sky]

Yeah we had a bit of trouble with that towards the end

[jade minnow]

You sound like u havent messed up anything ever, some people need more time to adjust to things, also players who can adjust faster can always make dumb mistake which is often swept under the carpet like nothing happened

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-indian-confused-indian-indian-confused-fat-gif-24608454

[vestal wren]

not sure i get to the same conclusion you get

[rocky ruin]

For 9.2 about the Windrunner Dagger only the mythic version count or is the hc version good too?

[slow marsh]

For assassination i'm sure you'd replace a heroic version fairly quickly

[vestal wren]

if you mean that evryone does mistakes, thats normal and happens. But my point was that this was beyond occasional mistakes towards not knowing the encounter at all after progressing it for this long

this is stuff you experience in a very casual guild, but won't if you go more competitive

so might be hard to relate to

to be clear, i wasn't complaining. I play casual mythic in the guild of my gf and know what i can expect.

[frosty cedar]

252 offhand probably better than 246 offhand syldagger for killing sylvanas right? 🙂

[hollow river]

you can do a no execute sim

[frosty cedar]

that would be great, is that the target dummy option?

[hollow river]

I can’t remember tbh

Just know you can somehow

[whole mason]

you can swap it at the 4th platform

the only thing is not to forget whetstone

[subtle kiln]

no execute sim, put it in header of expert mode max_time=360 vary_combat_length=0.0 enemy=Sylvanas enemy_initial_health_percentage=78 enemy_death_pct=45 fixed_time=0

also sim with MFD if you havent

may change up the priority for you

[subtle kiln]

#pvp

[quick mauve]

Sorry 'bout that, I'll get my ass over there

[subtle kiln]

no worries. i’m sure some folks may have an idea here, but this is mostly pve focused. welcome back, have fun!

[lyric crater]

so how neroc for patch 9.2?

[pure moth]

Check pins. Spreadsheet has initial sims

[lyric crater]

ok ty

[brave moth]

How is necro assasin going to look for 9.2? Does the 2/4 piece set bonus work for Serrated bone spike? Cuz I know exsanguinate Doesn't work for Serrated Bone spike. Is there still a chance to see a change to Necro class Legendary?

[subtle kiln]

check the pins or read up 3 comments that also says check the pins

[brave moth]

Where can I find pins?

[hollow escarp]

top right

[potent dagger]

When i compare Assa sim and sub sim on their channel , there is almost 1k dps difference , sub is so far ahead on 9.2 ? Oo

[hoary remnant]

hc is fine too

[sonic schooner]

Actually EoN is huge deal for sub, that's part of multiples reasons that pulls sub ahead

[dawn ivy]

CURRENTLY you're correct, however there are still 1 or 2 ptr builds we need to see and then blizzard will also do heroic week tuning

PTR numbers are good to look at and gauge SOME things, but overall output is not a great metric to look for in ptr

enhancement shaman is still doing 14k sim dps and everyone thinks its going to be the greatest meele spec to ever live

[vestal wren]

i haven't seen a good comparison but from the more questionable ones i saw sub and enh are the 2 specs that did stand out (with 4p)

[strange python]

But sub 4set sucks so much :(

To play with*

[dawn ivy]

its honestly not that bad to play with

[strange python]

Idk, I get insane delay on the proc hitting. I either have to accept crazy CP loss or slow my rotation and lose a shadowstrike in dance

And both feel bad

[dawn ivy]

it takes a bit of practice i think to get used to it

theres a sweet spot of waiting for WM/4pc/2pc procs to see what you can do

just gotta find that middle ground of what fraction of a second is a healthy delay

ive been spamming a taget dummy on ptr to get used to kyrian more and more with all the random cp

[ocean breach]

obviously we wont know the specifics of sub vs sin in raid until more tuning is done, but what is kind of the general difference in their damage profiles?

Like generally speaking, why might you bring sin vs sub to a raid from type of damage standpoint aside from just the tuning difference

[strange python]

Tuning aside, my gut says sin will be better at: single target slamming, two/three target cleave. Sub will be better at: higher downtime fights (meme aside, losing vendetta casts will be an issue on fights like xymonx) and target swap fights (pillars on spider boss for example)

Sin felt better than sub on shit like the halo boss and the worm, for example

[oak sky]

Also, any fight with significant funnel sub is probably the way to go

[ocean breach]

the target swapping makes sense, but could you elaborate on why the downtime idea? Im just curious as in my head it seems like sin being able to have bleeds/poisons ticking would benefit it if you had to be away vs sub

[oak sky]

Realistically every class has negative effects from downtime, but hes probably referring to our duskwalker's leggo that we run next patch since it reduces our vendetta cd based on cp spent

Sorry

Energy spent

So missing globals can be pretty punishing

[ocean breach]

awesome, thanks for the info all

[oak sky]

Its important to remember that any class will be punished for downtime though, especially since sub also has cdr in their kit on shadow dance

[drifting cloud]

exactly thats why its just filler nonsense that doesnt really mean anything, just vague af statements that describe the specs at their core

tuning is more important 90% of the time

yeah sometimes there can be fights/mechanics where 1 spec can really outshine the others

but if those fights arent the last 2-3 bosses of the raid its usually irrelevant for decent CE guilds

fact is assa has relied on frost set so with dom sets gone the gap increases with current numbers

and assa is also alot worse than sub without 4p/double lego

[oak sky]

Yeah literally when the patch goes live, the one tuned better for st will be better at st, sin will be better at cleave, sub better at funnel

Thats all we can really predict right now

[somber fractal]

what is "fae sepsis shiv sync logic" the link doesnt work

[bleak sky]

#916546791472783371 message

this doesn't work?

[potent dagger]

[uneven hamlet]

The tuning round usually go after the 9.2? Or only after the heroic week

Oh there's the RWF too

[bleak sky]

there's ptr tuning to be made

and then there's heroic week tuning

[uneven hamlet]

Most likely sub prob won't pass unharmed by the HC/RWF tunning

We can't tell anyway

[somber fractal]

they need to tune that dumbass sylvanas dagger to not work in the new raid. dont need old stuff to be bis

[hollow river]

A long line of other rogues would argue against that

[nocturne geode]

you mean the ones that got lucky and got them

[glass tulip]

I got it and I want that shit turned off

give me new ilvl stuff 🤣

[hollow river]

lmao

[slow marsh]

lame

[umbral tulip]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[gentle belfry]

is toxiui going to work after 9.2?

[hexed frost]

idk. The creator said that he won't be supporting toxiui for 9.1.5 either but he continued the mod anyways

[echo jay]

do we feel like sin or sub is gonna be the better play in raid?

[untold nest]

At the moment, whichever you like more

[echo jay]

Gotcha, ty

[strange python]

What about compared to outlaw as well? Think I’m gonna main rogue for 9.2 just trying to figure out which spec

[glass tulip]

utlaw

[bleak sky]

the one you like the most

[amber fossil]

/simc

oops

[bleak sky]

simc

[amber fossil]

Is there a way to sim food? I only see a way to turn all buffs on/off

[bleak sky]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[bleak sky]

^ sims food, oil/stone, potions

[amber fossil]

ty Johhny on the spot

❤️ you guys

[bleak sky]

[strange python]

Really??

[slow marsh]

surew

[oak sky]

@toxic quail

[toxic quail]

[bleak sky]

who is rdylol

i'm bout to commit a crime

[toxic quail]

KEKW

i just checked cause i knew what you were speaking on

rip

[bleak sky]

poe release = no keys

[oak sky]

what happened

[toxic quail]

tomorrow is my next push day bro

got a few 25 and 26s

im ready

[bleak sky]

go go go

[toxic quail]

Minal lost A52 Rank 1 D:

[balmy condor]

He didn’t deserve it anyway

[bleak sky]

you hate me because I'm beautiful

[balmy condor]

@toxic quail I miss our deep thoughtful conversations in venthyr order hall

[toxic quail]

YOURE TELLING ME.

I miss you all the time

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

[brazen zodiac]

i hope ur night going great gamer

[brazen zodiac]

u 2 gamer

[balmy condor]

Thanks but you’re white

[brazen zodiac]

uh

shit really i forgot

[balmy condor]

L

[brazen zodiac]

havent looked at my hands in a whole 2 minutes

[balmy condor]

She forgor

[brazen zodiac]

wait a minute

u got green hair and ur white

i got red hair and im white

:OOOOO

[balmy condor]

Yeah I’m a walking clown emoji

[oak sky]

🤡

[brazen zodiac]

just take a vid of urself walkin and make it into a gif

<333

[oak sky]

:whispyrwalk:

[brazen zodiac]

XD

hey whisp what build u playin on poe?

i was gonna do poison conc but i got owned so now im rqing blade blast

[limber lion]

Only assassination talk here, nothing else. Very strict rules yes yes

[brazen zodiac]

sorry sir will not happen again sir

shiv logic vendetta 9.2 sir

[hollow river]

[bleak sky]

[wind hull]

The Fel Hammer discord is at its peak now

DH mains are so edgy damn

[hollow river]

[hexed frost]

LMAOO that based channel

My sides in orbit rn

[wind hull]

that channel is cursed

[timid cloud]

What in de name of de Loa...

[empty hinge]

Yes can confirm

[silver turtle]

Is there any benefits to playing sin over sub rogue in higher keys?

[vestal wren]

no

the subtlety kit just fits the needs of the keys better at this point

[umbral tulip]

We just need some good Azerite traits

[silver turtle]

If you had to put a number on it for damage/making higher keys more efficient what percentage would you throw out

[limber lion]

On some dungeons it can be better like ToP because it's quite cleave heavy and sub sucks on cleave

[limber lion]

[silver turtle]

Yea just asking noob blanket questions

[umbral tulip]

How much better sub is than sin for keys in %?

[glass tulip]

Being able to funnel over 20k single target on prio mobs like Halkiad shards or enraged spirits is invaluable

[umbral tulip]

Or what do you mean

[limber lion]

There is no numbers like that

They do not exist

It changes based on dungeon, comp, strategy, tank, other dps players, classes that your group has, route, etc

[glass tulip]

I mean technically you could take composite scores of each spec and the average clear of each dungeon run based on comp

But good luck and we'll see you in 300 years after you analyze yesterday's runs

[vestal wren]

ye, need ttk back

[silver turtle]

That’s why I just said blanket. But okay comp is Druid frost mage ww monk shammy and rogue. Which rogue spec would be preferred in that comp

[umbral tulip]

If u care about being optimal in keys sub is the move, not sure about that % calculation though

[limber lion]

It's always sub

If you're not doing 25+ keys, then it does not matter

[glass tulip]

Yeah, I played assass in a 25 halls yesterday and my group lead said "wait idk how those mobs got silenced but that's cool ig"

[limber lion]

Play whichever you play better

[umbral tulip]

Outlaw is goated in top though

[glass tulip]

So I had to explain how garrote /subt works🤣

Sub rogue is far more common for a reason

[silver turtle]

Easier?

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

are you doing super high keys ibustfast?

[vestal wren]

i don't think that outlaw or sin are bad in m+, its just that sub excels at something that is a very strong niche

[silver turtle]

Which is what niche I’m trying to understand

[bleak sky]

funnel

[glass tulip]

Ask mr. ramfam, he will tell you

[bleak sky]

are you doing super high keys or nah

[limber lion]

If you're not doing 25+, it literally does not matter

[vestal wren]

sub can do very strong funnel damage, basically reducing health of one big hp sponge more efficiently

[umbral tulip]

Funnel, st burst, AoE

[limber lion]

Like I said previously

[glass tulip]

Yeah basically it's funnel. As keys go higher, pulls get bigger and priority damage becomes more important. Some mobs simply cannot live as long as they do on lower keys.

[umbral tulip]

And as Guy says just more DPS

[gusty mirage]

[silver turtle]

Nice thanks for the help. Just wanted to understand the concepts behind the choices

[glass tulip]

I will be switching to sub very soon because my teammates literally cannot comprehend how assass is supposed to work in the keys🤣

We have assigned obliterators on each Halkias shard pull and I vanish garroted 3 of them to stop bolts and the team nearly had a meltdown lol

[bleak sky]

this is why I pug

[gusty mirage]

Because you hate yourself?

[bleak sky]

yes

[gusty mirage]

Same

Can’t wait to rip my 23 top tonight

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cry-crying-tears-broken-gif-15062040

[silver turtle]

I hate top

[umbral tulip]

Only key that I dont play sub so I dont mind it

[bleak sky]

imagine not having one timed

[umbral tulip]

Some variety

[bleak sky]

[silver turtle]

I’m not a rogue so I can’t relate haha

[gusty mirage]

imagine still playing wow every day

[bleak sky]

HEY I'M ON A BREAK OK

I might play today just to get 5 io

[gusty mirage]

Sorry best I can do is an untimed 24 top

Take it or leave it

[bleak sky]

gimme spires and top 24 timed

[glass tulip]

Spires is an ez time

[umbral tulip]

I can offer a depleted 25 soa

Just want my group to start playing again but I think we are done until 9.2

Rip title

[gusty mirage]

Just hope more people faction swap for world first keys and it brings down the cut off

[umbral tulip]

[timid cloud]

@gusty mirage

Might I suggest a solution to your problem?

Step right this way, sir.

#outlaw

🚪

[glass tulip]

The deadline for that was Jan 18

You were locked into your faction

[umbral tulip]

so I can swap to alliance for better racials but I need to meet the horde requirements to get the title?

[glass tulip]

As far as I am aware

Sheesh all swapped alliance to be dwarves this week

[timid cloud]

"Because each region has different numbers of Mythic+ participants in each faction, the ranking required for the top 0.1% is expected to be significantly different between the factions. To make the faction rankings as fair as possible, we’re setting a faction transfer cutoff date. Any player-character that faction changes on or after January 18, 2022 will be ineligible for the Tormented Hero title, regardless of their Mythic+ rating."

[glass tulip]

Actually

Yeah I was about to paste that

Any player-character that faction changes on or after January 18, 2022 will be ineligible for the Tormented Hero title, regardless of their Mythic+ rating.

So they are passing up the title in favor of a better score

And getting world first key levels

[bleak sky]

not even getting the title

fucking plebs

[glass tulip]

not even R1 a52

[timid cloud]

Gotta beat Heid at 2.942.

[umbral tulip]

Does their racial remove bursting or smth?

[glass tulip]

Yes, it is a free dispell

[umbral tulip]

ah sick

I never watch MDI in case u couldnt tell

I thought it was bleeds

[bleak sky]

ok listen

they caught me off guard with poe ok

[indigo ginkgo]

so with raid coming soon, how is rogue doing dps wise compared to other specs ?

with so muxh nerfs and balances

[bleak sky]

🔮

[spice spire]

[timid cloud]

[bleak sky]

!8 is rogue good

[timid cloud]

[indigo ginkgo]

not our numbers , all numbers wise, we what now ? midle of pack again ?

[bleak sky]

🔮

really

[spice spire]

We won’t know until a release candidate

Right now, seems fine.
But literally anything can change at any given time

[timid cloud]

^^^^^

[bleak sky]

you're a better person than I am quake

[timid cloud]

If I had an 8ball right now, I'd shake it a million times for this question & still get "Outlook unclear."

[spice spire]

I know it, baby. /s
People are antsy and it’s natural

But without proper info; all we can do is say “fine for now”

[timid cloud]

Who knows though, we could legit get a random aura buff, or we'll look too strong & get tweaked again, anytime anywhere, this information can change.

It's a play-by-ear kinda situation.

All I know is, the moment anything happens, we're gonna make that spreadsheet & guide guy do all of the work again so we can echo-chamber it for everyone.

[indigo ginkgo]

thanks

[glass tulip]

Whispyr's guide when new tuning comes out is like

[timid cloud]

[lunar otter]

hey dyall think assa will keep up in keys with sub in 9.2?

[glass tulip]

No

I think literally nothing will change from how it is now

[lunar otter]

ive bin away for months 😦 tryna catch up on the info's

ahk

damn 😦

[glass tulip]

But the difference doesn't matter unless you are doing keys that are mid-upper 20s

We just talked about this in the past hour if you'd like to catch up some :)

All specs are viable for 99% of the players

[lunar otter]

oh ok ill have a little read , also will set pieces drop in keys or just raid >?

yeah im only probs doin low 20's to mid

[glass tulip]

If I am not mistaken only from raid but all other content will drop the cosmic flux to craft them or they can show up in any vault slot

[lunar otter]

ah i dont have time to raid any more 😦

[glass tulip]

So yeah vault slots and the crafter which opens 8 weeks into the patch (currently, subject to change)

[opal oriole]

In dungeons I only click CT to apply the dot, then rupture dot individual mobs correct?

[bleak sky]

yes

[balmy condor]

oh how the mighty have fallen

[oak sky]

bye nochill

[opal oriole]

do i ct st?

[pure moth]

If you aren't wearing dashing, then yes you keep CT up outside of Shiv inST

[opal oriole]

❤️

[glass tulip]

Any key bois know what the approximate time save is on being able to skip Mistcaller intermissions?

obviously, the time it takes to be able to kill it... maybe like 10-15 seconds per skip bc of having to hold some damage?

[oak sky]

That ones actually big but idk if its consistent

[hexed frost]

He's mostly streaming sub keys sadge

[gusty mirage]

I’m well aware of when the cut off is

But some people don’t care about the title

They want to push rio leaderboards and push world first keys

And thus they’ll faction change well past the deadline, as Ramfam and his squad did

[timid cloud]

Who needs a silly title that no one will see when you can see yourself up on those R1 leaderboards.

[glass tulip]

I didnt explain that 3 messages after i replied to you dw

[gusty mirage]

You pinged me and expected me to read whatever was between the ping and my reply?

[glass tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-wanna-see-me-do-it-again-gif-14496504

[timid cloud]

Did you see my message? If you want to protect your TOP...you know what you must do...

[gusty mirage]

Please don’t ever suggest that I play that shit spec again

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

I’d rather just not run keys

Shadowlands dungeons are awful anyway

[timid cloud]

Yeah, take me back to uhh...Seat of the Triumvirate...

[gusty mirage]

I’d rather do seat than top

[timid cloud]

🧢

[gusty mirage]

There’s nothing fun about dungeons with unavoidable damage that you can’t play around

At least in legion dungeons you could play around tough mechanics and avoid damage

[timid cloud]

You talking about that stompy lady in the Xav wing?

[gusty mirage]

Yup

Jumps and does half my health

Last boss phases

Lose a third of my health

Superb design

[bleak sky]

I mean top you just use defensives

you have feint up for everything

[gusty mirage]

Sure

[bleak sky]

the shit that pisses me off is the fat guy on NW before 3rd boss

right side construct

spits on you and insta gibs you on fort

[gusty mirage]

Just so much unavoidable damage now

It’s actually just stupid

[timid cloud]

I mean let’s be real, Legion was pretty bad for it too.

[gusty mirage]

It’s like they took pistol shot off first boss in freehold and were like “this is a great idea for future bosses”

[timid cloud]

If you didn’t have an immunity in a lot of stuff, you were laying on your neck. Cathedral comes to mind always.

Or Black Rook Hold.

[gusty mirage]

Legion was still better than shadowlands

[glass tulip]

I love all of the avoidable damage in the melandrus fight

ticking aoe, just dodge 4head

[timid cloud]

Also LUL, that pistol shot. Only way to not die was to play a ranged & cheese it from afar.

[gusty mirage]

Or use the ghost pirate gnome toy and cheese it

Zzzzz

And hope your ranged aren’t apes

And don’t let the bird shit on your fence spot

[timid cloud]

[bleak sky]

seems like you guys had fun in legion

[timid cloud]

I played Ret.

You tell me if I had fun.

[gusty mirage]

I enjoyed legion thoroughly

Tons of content

[bleak sky]

i've no idea

I just know Tomb was a real good raid

good shit good stuff

[gusty mirage]

I’ve had 2 raids and the same dungeons in in almost 2 years

Shadowlands is great

Garbage systems that took way too long to fix

Swap covenants freely? Fly 10 minutes to change conduits

Why we have to go to the soulbind thingy to change conduits is beyond me

[bleak sky]

tech isn't there yet to add soulbind thingy in oribos on live

TR-> Live too hard

[gusty mirage]

Or to allow conduits to be swappable in rested areas god forbid

[bleak sky]

you gotta really connect with your covenant

feel the soulbind

[gusty mirage]

True

[bleak sky]

the weight of your choices

[gusty mirage]

Feel how boring all our covenant abilities

Actually are

We can think about it on the flight back to sinfall

[timid cloud]

Makes me want to feel a rope around my neck too.

[gusty mirage]

1 way portals for tier 3 transportation

[glass tulip]

they got one to swap in zereth mortis

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

Like

[clever kindle]

whos portals are 1 way

[gusty mirage]

I paid 10k anima for a one way portal?

[glass tulip]

set your hearth to cov hall, then tp to oribos

[clever kindle]

oh duh to oribos

my brain is still booting

[gusty mirage]

Then you swap covenants

[glass tulip]

until you swap and it gets reset to oribos anyway 🙃

[gusty mirage]

And your hearth changes to oribos

[clever kindle]

Already paid for all the buildings in every covenant

[quaint carbon]

Revendreth portals tho

[timid cloud]

Hey. Worst offender is actually Stygian Embers.

[gusty mirage]

If only there was this thing in game

Called covenant hearthstones

That could’ve been more than just cosmetic

[clever kindle]

+4 toys

[gusty mirage]

[glass tulip]

now what

[gusty mirage]

You beat the game

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

Just send those embers to an alt and enjoy a dif perspective

Oh wait

[timid cloud]

Oxi right now

Hey to be fair...

The tier has gone on so long my fresh alts are getting R5 bonuses...

[gusty mirage]

Bro I’m not clearing this raid more than once a week

You’re high af

[glass tulip]

I love full clearing for 6 weeks on every alt to be any% effective in the raid

[brave moth]

Is necro rogue gonna be playable iin 9.2? for Raiding?

[glass tulip]

playable, sure. preferable, no

[gusty mirage]

Sure, it’ll be much worse than venthyr or night fae though

[clever kindle]

the tier has gone on so long im completing my second 150 hour game while progging mythic

[gusty mirage]

Except for maybe pantheon

[clever kindle]

[timid cloud]

But nothing is final...

[gusty mirage]

They’ll rework deathspike

[timid cloud]

Still waiting on my Master Poisoner buff...

[gusty mirage]

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

They’ll get it this time for sure

[timid cloud]

Okay I sleep now. GN pals...at 8am...

[gusty mirage]

They’ll also fix all the bugs with sbs

[clever kindle]

by next expansion for sure

[gusty mirage]

Remember when they fixed the bugs then necro rogues were ninja pulling bosses with invisible bonespikes after wipes?

Good times

[clever kindle]

I never had that happen to me

[gusty mirage]

I felt Seli’s rage through the internet when that happened to him

Lmao

[clever kindle]

blame the hunter

[gusty mirage]

This man is an OG wow player

It’s always the hunters fault

[clever kindle]

still true to this day its either the hunter or the boomkin

Precasting spells for 6 dps increase

[glass tulip]

6 dps

[coral fable]

Do y'all use mouse-over macros for Garrotte? I'm looking at the AOE opener and wondering what the best way to dot up everything is.

[keen plaza]

Should i envenom with 3 combo points ?

[coral fable]

(I don't tab target)

[slow marsh]

Pretty sure most of us just tab target unless there are specific casts we're trying to silence

[quasi ledge]

Yeah I just tab. If there's certain mobs I wanna Garrote then I just click their individual nameplates between Garrotes

[spice spire]

If you’re not tabbing, you’re going to want to mouse over for sure

[coral fable]

eugh I want to tab target but I'm so used to having blink abilities on tab

[spice spire]

Understandable. Tabbing makes it a lot easier, I’m ngl.

But the garrote mouse over isn’t too bad

Spreading ruptured is scary tho

[scenic kelp]

someone have a rotation with the new talents that i can try on ptr? 😄

[spice spire]

Similar to now (assuming NF)

#916546791472783371 message

[frosty cedar]

at 50% crit wouldnt it be like mathematically fine to envenom on 3cp+ instead of 4?

[leaden garden]

Hello there. I am currently leveling a rogue and was wondering if asa looks strong for next patch? compared to the other rogue speccs, and compared to other melees

[vestal wren]

yes, but current numbers have not a lot of weight

[frosty cedar]

yea I just simmed it and its a 4dps gain for me lmfao

[vestal wren]

also subtlety still seems better number wise

[leaden garden]

okay thanks

[gusty mirage]

Yeah but sub rogues are stinky

[frosty cedar]

yea fuk em

[gusty mirage]

Link the sim

[frosty cedar]

I may have fucked it up tbh. never used simc program before so it probably didnt even do anything... do you know how I can make the simc program output linkable?

[gusty mirage]

Oh, you’re running a local sim?