assassination

[balmy condor]

but agreon is right that this pushes it much harder

on vanish

luckily though it still looks like a duskwalker atm

unless I can find more optimizations

unless you like

play necro

and deathspike

[oak sky]

dude duskies in m+ sounds so weird

[balmy condor]

in that case, you're not escaping dust

[oak sky]

i dont mind it in raid but in m+ its prio/ st only

[balmy condor]

yeah

but it's crazy

[spice spire]

I’ll gladly accept dust as my lord and savior

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

i was hoping for zoldyck again with possibility of necro shenanigans in fort week

[balmy condor]

syncing vend with flag and then shiv boom on top of it

is actually insane

[oak sky]

like duskies is fine

[balmy condor]

I don't think zold is happening

[oak sky]

but its a 1t damage amp

[balmy condor]

I'd have to check numbers on 2 set after nerf

but like

it's rough for zold

[oak sky]

not that zold is so interesting

its just a solid aoe leggo

[balmy condor]

the thing is though right now, shiv is basically just "if it's available, press it" in APL

and making it almost vendetta levels of strong

kinda needs some updates tbh

[oak sky]

and all our other options are not aoe

[spice spire]

I thought this was a mf slamming tier

Unfortunate

[oak sky]

like our set bonus having good aoe is cool and all

[balmy condor]

I mean if they fix deathspike

necro can be insano

[oak sky]

but with dust

which is whatever

[balmy condor]

yeah

well

[nova flax]

HIPPOS UNITE

[balmy condor]

it's not whatever when shiv is a gigantic dps increase

[oak sky]

well yeah

i would run it obviously

anyways time to look for cos

[bleak sky]

Wait

With tier set are we not slamming shiv on CD anymore?

[slow marsh]

Yes

Even harder

But we'll see where the dam % lands and if any apl optimizations surrounding 4p change it up

[slow marsh]

It's a 1t dam amp that generates instant energy overload that feeds into the legendary powering it

I found dusk in the council fight today to be bonkers once I got a better feel on managing the 4p because you actually have outlets to dump energy into

[oak sky]

im talking about for m_

m+

exclusively

its fine for raid

just another st leggo

[slow marsh]

Ye well my point is that dusk + 4p is much better than it seems at first glance in aoe

[oak sky]

i mean

vendetta always only hits 1 target

so it only speeds up the key in prio

[slow marsh]

Yes but in a m+ setting it would probs land around 45s cd

[oak sky]

sure

but our tier set doesnt make vendetta apply to all targets

aoe feeds into it well

but it doesnt do anything in aoe

[slow marsh]

It doesn't need to though

[charred wraith]

I mean look at sub in dungeon like SD, theres litterally in 2/3 of the pulls you do prio dmg, so its a +

[slow marsh]

The aoe feeds the dusk and we can learn from sub prio currently that prio dam is very good

[oak sky]

im not saying its bad i was just saying i was looking forward to a strong aoe overall option

i even said it would be good in st and prio up above somewhere

[slow marsh]

We will still have strong overall aoe option in shadowdust

[oak sky]

i said that too

[slow marsh]

Ye so everything you want is accounted for

I for one welcome the more interactive options vs just slap zold and spam ruptures

[oak sky]

I for one welcome a court of stars key

[slow marsh]

Can't wait to run korayn and go shadowdust + NS + mfd + CT

[oak sky]

i cant wait to give up and swap sub

[slow marsh]

[clear shadow]

so if the 2 set doesnt get nerfed we go night fae?

[balmy condor]

no

[slow marsh]

It will get nerfed

[balmy condor]

well yeah

that too

but even without

you wouldn't atm

[slow marsh]

1min CDs is pretty strong

[clear shadow]

pog its the only one i dont have at 80

[slow marsh]

Idk I'm still kind of wondering about the full send vendetta strat and how that stacks against syncing

[balmy condor]

I can sim that

I'll put that in the thread as well

[slow marsh]

Cool

[umbral rapids]

Did you only sim sin @balmy condor ?

[balmy condor]

I have some sub stuff but @vestal wren handled most of that

[umbral rapids]

I can’t see sims am i missing something ?

No biggie just curious

[vestal wren]

i did post sims in the thread for subtlety yesterday

[umbral rapids]

Ah ok thanks

Will look at that

Now do outlaw

I can sense whisp thinking of what to type to trash outlaw again

[balmy condor]

outlaw tier looks fun

[umbral rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/myeyes-wat-gif-5916379

[obtuse robin]

and we thought sin looked strong

[vestal wren]

the sin tier set looks weaker than the sub one

but sin gets a lot more from legendary powers

[obtuse robin]

waiting for outlaw now

[vestal wren]

outlaw tier is not implemented yet iirc

ye, seems so:

one of assassinations setbacks is the poison bug

and EoN, subtlety just benefits so much from EoN

[obtuse robin]

oh fuk with this tier the missing dps is much more right

[vestal wren]

gear is not highly optimized in the sim

[obtuse robin]

i mean from the pioson bug

[vestal wren]

but yes, tier set + legendary could end up being about the numbers we have now

poison bug is around 100-200 dps iirc

[obtuse robin]

that was b4 tier its the same with?

[vestal wren]

without tier

9.2 just has a lot of unknowns still

[bleak sky]

I'm glad the rogue people have you guys running sims like crazy. You are 10/10

[obtuse robin]

well hopefully the bug gets talked about in the feedback

[vestal wren]

its all very early

[umbral rapids]

Ok thanks a lot fuu

[umbral rapids]

True tbh

[eternal vortex]

any advice for mage tower? i just dont have enough dmg for it somehow. i even use convergence but its still not enough :/

[balmy condor]

focus on your uptimes

[eternal vortex]

like the shield on the caster is not even a problem i play mfd and its gone with shiv+ 2 envenom basicly

[slow marsh]

Check your damage profile. Just you saying that makes me wonder if you are envenoming too much instead of keeping bleeds up

[pure mauve]

Hi anyone knows if NF legendary works with 4 pieces tier set?

[slow marsh]

Maybe

[balmy condor]

the legendary?

sepsis works

but the legendary has no interaction

[pure mauve]

nf ability* sorry

[balmy condor]

yes, it does

[pure mauve]

would be better than venthyr por raid?

[balmy condor]

no

[slow marsh]

[obtuse robin]

[slow marsh]

We be tryin

[pure mauve]

[eternal vortex]

@slow marsh

rupture actually my 1st dmg

[balmy condor]

that's a lot of fok

[slow marsh]

Garrote and CT needs to be way higher

[balmy condor]

but yeh

where's CT

how is it lower than mut

[eternal vortex]

[pure mauve]

WIth 2 pieces tier?

[balmy condor]

that's mage tower

[eternal vortex]

its mage tower

[pure mauve]

ohh hehe

[slow marsh]

Are you only fighting one at a time

[balmy condor]

2 set isn't on ptr

[eternal vortex]

its depends tho earlier i spend a lot more on crimson tempest

and my rupture was pretty low

[slow marsh]

Just focus on keeping all 3 bleeds up on all 3 except for like the 5 seconds sig is blinded and you'll down it ezpz

It's all just uptime and kiting in a circle

[eternal vortex]

im just a bit overwhelmed towards the end cuz its overlapping all 3 abilities

might be cuz im behind dmg

[slow marsh]

You get one overlap no matter what I think

[eternal vortex]

thats fine i get 3 usually

[slow marsh]

Yeah you're behind then which makes sense

[eternal vortex]

my blind barely come off cd for the blood father cast

[pure mauve]

Will 2 pieces tier works with trinkets?

[balmy condor]

no

trinkets don't interact with spec mechanics

and the tier also says "YOUR bleeds and poisons"

which aren't trinkets

also trinkets don't count as bleeds and poisons

[eternal vortex]

thanks for the advices

[pure mauve]

Ohh didnt know, so trinkets dont scale with mastery or versa either?

[balmy condor]

they scale with vers

some with haste

but mastery definitely not

shiv doesn't work either

vendetta doesn't work

neither does EP

MA doesn't work on them

uhhhhhh

what else

MP doesn't work

[slow marsh]

Wtb good raid trinkets in 9.2 btw

[balmy condor]

had one guy ask me if it was worth running MP after he looted a 252 phial

that was a fun convo

[slow marsh]

What do you mean mp and shiv doesn't work for flayedwing trinket

It's literally a poison!

[balmy condor]

flayedwing

[pure mauve]

What is MP?

[balmy condor]

master poisoner

[bleak sky]

I get the guy tho

[balmy condor]

flayedwing tooltips are still all wrong btw

[bleak sky]

your trinket = your poison

[misty holly]

Is it?

[bleak sky]

wdym by wrong

[balmy condor]

there are 4 tooltips on flayedwing

the trinket tooltip, the buff on your character, the debuff on the target, and (technically details)

and all 4 of those numbers

are completely different

[bleak sky]

oh god

[balmy condor]

like if you have it in your inventory, it's like "2k damage" and then you equip it and it says "100 damage"

[oak sky]

we love our small indie game

[balmy condor]

and then you apply the debuff and it says "1300 damage"

and you look at details

and it's doing 600

and you're like wtf

[misty holly]

I wonder what happens if you take it into timewalking.

[bleak sky]

that's incredible

how does that even go live

[balmy condor]

idk

it was reported

[oak sky]

should i give up on cos for today boys

[balmy condor]

in beta

[bleak sky]

depends on your timezone king

[slow marsh]

Yes

[bleak sky]

and if you have to work/study early

[slow marsh]

Sleep

[oak sky]

pacific

im on xmas break

from college

[slow marsh]

Even better

[bleak sky]

go ham fuck it

it's almost 1am right?

[slow marsh]

Gaming in the morning hits different

[oak sky]

yeah

theres not many groups at these times

[bleak sky]

yeah I feel you

trying to pug keys but there's no keys

or they want green dps class

[oak sky]

i mean i could probably do some stuff if i was looking for 20s-22s but cos farm is dead rn

m+ people love rogues

[bleak sky]

they do but no groups

there's one +8 OCE CoS up tho

go get it king

[oak sky]

mine says empty

[bleak sky]

nvm it's GONE

[oak sky]

i would rather do lower keys anyway because they only take 10min instead of like 20

[bleak sky]

yea we have infinite valor

[oak sky]

literally i was spamming vaults to help a friend

i got my trinket like 2 dungeons in

now cos is taking much much longer

[bleak sky]

we're still running vaults for our other guildie rogue

[oak sky]

oof

[bleak sky]

unlucky guy

[uneven summit]

is the consensus still theotar, or are more people playing nadija again

[oak sky]

theotar good

[bleak sky]

theotar tea is nice

[uneven summit]

i mean i´ve played theotar for a very long time, was more that i saw quite a few logs with nadija on sylv myth fx

[bleak sky]

people are lazy / forget to swap / don't bother / haven't caught up / others

Cev also said Nadjia is kinda really good for P3 damage on sylv

[oak sky]

only when it lines up

[uneven summit]

true, lazyness is the same with mfd/vigor

[oak sky]

if you get euphoria->fatal flaw during lust thats pretty giga

but if your timing ends up scuffed or something like that theotar would be better

[uneven summit]

another question actually, i didn´t sim it myself, but it does seem like haste from tea is pretty big when playing mfd, im at about 40 % crit and 19 % haste, so it kinda surprised me, any experiences?

[uneven summit]

Yeah and the timing on those pulls are very random imo

[oak sky]

crit tea should be a bigger gain but haste tea is decent

theres a string you can sim with in advanced to see the difference

think its in sub faqs

[uneven summit]

ill check it out, thanks

[oak sky]

its not super random but occassionally things can go weird and make stuff line up wrong

[uneven summit]

Yeah thats what i meant by random, my guild aint that consistent 🙂 we just now began to hit phase 3 and last platform more or less consistently but with very random timings

[oak sky]

it should be within 10-20s most of the time but tbh even that much variance can make a difference with nadjia

[bleak sky]

single group in groupfinder and not chosen

[bleak sky]

they can also be the same 👀

having 2 real good tea options is chef's kiss

[oak sky]

well

bm hunter got the ring

gg

[eternal vortex]

ty for the help whispy and iceblades

[balmy condor]

[rancid bloom]

is it worth to raid as assas when I have venthyr leggo and sub gear ? or is it a huge dps loss

u get it? like is it much more better dps if i just raid sub?

[oak sky]

whatever you play well at should be fine

but you can do a top gear and see which sims higher

[sonic schooner]

I mean check your sims but play what you enjoy the most. If u have a better assa sim but you hate it and u can't play it properly because refreshing dots hurt you just don't

[pure mauve]

Does 2p tier works with Doomblade leggo?

and with Posion bomb?

[queen fjord]

Does shiv work on the mage tower to remove the Jarl's berserk ability?

[oak sky]

nope

[strange python]

Checked it my first trys

When I was already getting mad at tower mage

Luckily I finished the challenge this Tuesday but that was difficult (for me)

You just have to kidney shot him and if you are really in trouble evasion

Try to kill him as fast as possible because hell he’s annoying

Remember that they share damage and he’s the lowest one

[oak sky]

yeah he dies first

[strange python]

0 and 7% after

I mean kill jarl and when the caster gets to 7% it’s over

It took more trys than I expected tbh

Around 30-40

In comparisson with legion this is far more difficult

[placid cobalt]

question about dashing scoundrel, the 15% poison crit thinghy is applied together with the 30% application debuff from envenom?

as in it lasts the same amount of time as that?

[limber lion]

Yes, it is tied to the Envenom buff.

[arctic hare]

Thats uh, good ta know

[near bane]

wow

as long as I swapped one trinket, in one try I overcame the assa challenge

what a pathetic design tbh

[subtle tundra]

how so

[near bane]

the dragonling trinket from pandaria engineering

Ghost Iron Dragonling

[subtle tundra]

never heard of it

can you explain?

[near bane]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=77530/ghost-iron-dragonling bind when equipped, I made it with an ALT skilled in Pandaria Engineering with a Relic of the Past IV and mailed it to my rogue, it can be socketted with unique-equipped Cogwheel socket, made by Engineering aswell for +12 in 3 different stats that WONT be scaled in the challenge

[strange python]

I put the trinket on and did not one shot the challenge.

[near bane]

I struggled on the dps check on that specific challenge

that trinket gave me 22k flat dmg and helped me get through the second overlap

[strange python]

yeah - i mean i pulled it about 10 times - I decided it wasn't worth my time - but i saw your post and figured it was gonna be a one shot...I mean it might do a lot of damage, but you're still largely doing the challenge at hand.

what a pathetic design tbh```
Really makes it sound like that dragonling is gonna spawn and just take care of it all lol.

[near bane]

well ofc you cant cheese it, but many players after a flawless execution were stuck on that challenge because of the dps check and that trinket help a lot

[strange python]

Well that's a lot different than how I read your original post so

[near bane]

it wasn't my intention, Im sorry

[strange python]

it's all good, just figured i'd try it and report back lol

[edgy orbit]

I did mt with legion rogue legendary legs, heart of azeroth 29%crit, 26%haste, 23%mastery, and 3%vers. I played DS instead of vigor because it helped me to make sure my bleeds didn't falloff while running around doing mechanics. I lusted when jarl was about 16%hp so I could just nuke him. I think I had about 200pulls in before I did the quest for the heart of azeroth with pushed me to 1.2kdps. It's still a very hard challenge.

[strange python]

Yeah - honestly, for me - it's how far away I feel with zero effort being put in. I'm literally dead within 30 seconds to a minute. I made it to the point where yellow things come out and heal me once. I don't think that I'd be incapable of completing it. I do think that I'd have to spend a lot of time researching/learning/doing...and I hate the mental state that act puts me in, personally. And then to know that even if I become obsessed with completing it, there is a time limit where it will effectively go away, just turned me off from day one (I realize they keep extending it now, however). And then there's the whole part where - I don't feel the rewards are worth the effort...I'd literally never use them.

[edgy orbit]

yeah, it's just tmog gear. I wish you could actually get the artifact weapon skins.

I mained a dk in legion so I don't have the rogue artifact skins.

[strange python]

Honestly, like if it added some thing where my dagger slashes had like red animations to them - or like something else cool, it would probably be all I'd do from the time I got up to the time I went to bed, until it was done.

[regal cloud]

If it's not nerf yet nythendra trinket from En is rly insane

1m use 11% of 1.2k dmg in 7m fight and give you leech on top to brrrrrr

[scenic kelp]

what for talents are we playing with t set in 9.2 someone have any info for me? 😄

[normal mist]

If you die in the 1st minute it's because a) you don't have leeching poison or b) you have no idea what is happening. Assa challenge is actually hard and I didn't complete it myself this time around (did it during legion) but I can survive for around 5 minutes then everything goes bruuuuuum.
I did outlaw so I could get the MOG, around 50 tries.

[limber lion]

EP/Subt/MfD/Alacrity and maybe CT.

[strange python]

I agree 100% - I get in there and just have no idea what's going on. I realize the main guy can be blinded, and the guy on our left can be stunned, and the guy on the right can be interrupted. The last few attempts, I just tried to keep the guy in the middle blinded the whole time, but I think there's DR or something on the blinds. I could be wrong though.

[normal mist]

I'm working rn so I can't explain you the fight properly, but whispyr did a guide + video

Check the pins bro

[strange python]

Tbh, assa rogue challenge was especially overtuned from my point of view (I already completed the challenge) and You can’t compare todays tower mage to legion tower, in legion took me 4 trys healing myself to the end and here took me 40+… so he ‘s right on the overtunned complain

Anyway @strange python if you wanna make it “easier” nythendra trinket, sephuz legendary and heart of azeroth, makes things much easier

[normal mist]

I didn't say it wasn't :p

[red plaza]

You want to blind him before he gets the cast off so then you can insta break it. If you blind after he gets the cast, he had an aura on him that lasts like 30 secs or so and you have to keep him in the blind

[strange python]

Which doesn’t mean that you don’t have to be csrefull as fuck, but it will be easier

[normal mist]

But if you last 1 minute it's because you are lost as fk :P

[strange python]

Also the yellow orbs….. maybe you have 1 every 30 secs maybe you have 0 during 4 mins

I don’t know 😂😂😂

[strange python]

Well yes that’s true, 1 min means u’re dodging nothing

[normal mist]

1 minute means you are role-playing a tank xD

[strange python]

yeah not sure what you'd expect if you've pulled it 10 times and haven't looked anything up though lol

[normal mist]

But yeah it's a bit overwhelming at first

[strange python]

But anyway I understand your frustrstion, is not easy at all, at least if you compare it with magr for example 🙂

I hopped in the sub one and at least i felt like i could make progress if i wanted to though

[normal mist]

Ghost I can't do it this time around

So I feel you

I forced myself to do outlaw this time

[strange python]

Well sub is way easier but you have to be a beast on last phase (DPS wise)

[strange python]

Outlaw was the only one I did not complete back in legion 🙁

Was it easy?

[normal mist]

I cheesed it as fk

There was a elixir.....

Back in legion...

XD

[strange python]

Btw I HATE outlaw so…

[normal mist]

Same

[strange python]

No idea hha

[gusty mirage]

ye I remember the elixir

[normal mist]

There was a elixir you could use back then that would do like 30/40% of your damage

[gusty mirage]

it literally made it face roll

[normal mist]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

but I never bothered doing the outlaw one back in legion

[strange python]

The only weapons I really would use as outlaw are thunderfury, illidan swords (which we can’t) or akama axe

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

Whaaat haha never heard of it, sad

[normal mist]

Both my fury warrior and outlaw specs were carried by that

@gusty mirage you sick?

Your name is kinda green now

[gusty mirage]

my tummy hurts

[normal mist]

Red was better dood

:(

[gusty mirage]

green gives me powers

[slow marsh]

can confirm

[spice spire]

[normal mist]

LOL

[gusty mirage]

@ember mural

[ember mural]

im not evil

[limber lion]

I'm still not used to green oxi

But it definitely suits the man

[gusty mirage]

I'd change my name to Budget Cev but the last time I did that I got yelled at by Seli

[normal mist]

LOL Seli was jealous :3

[limber lion]

I agree, no budget Cevs here.

Just Oxi.

But monke together strong

You can be budget Cev if I can be budget Oxi

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

all I'm saying is I changed my name to budget cev and bodied the meters

coincidence? I think not

[placid pagoda]

Why do you think blizz decided to not uncap outlaw?

[strange python]

spec identity?

That said (and i'm not sure if they do) but they should EXCEL GREATLY at 5 target.

[thorny pond]

It’s blade FLURRY not blade STORM

[fleet anchor]

Will get it in today!

[vestal wren]

nice

[limber lion]

Grudge Match is broken on ptr sims and it doesn't recognize it. Am I a lost cause or does it only work for the elite mimiron users and local simmers

[fleet anchor]

Hmm

[limber lion]

Same happens with the variable on garrote later on

[fleet anchor]

That’s with ptr=1?

[limber lion]

Yeh

[fleet anchor]

Strange

[limber lion]

I just re-ran Whispyr's sim

[fleet anchor]

I can’t think of a reason for that

[limber lion]

#916546791472783371 message

[fleet anchor]

Can you send me your sim link?

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c7gEVxz2SJ5stHYijbNaHJ

[fleet anchor]

Ok will take a look in a few and see if I can figure out what is not working.

[limber lion]

Pretty much just re-ran his sim

Cheers

[gusty mirage]

Yeah my ptr sims were completely ignoring your hardcoded variables too. It’s probably a mimiron thing tbh

[fleet anchor]

But the PTR shouldn’t even matter for grudge_match debuff check. I’m creating a fallback buff without the set.

So APLs don’t break

So that’s very odd

[gusty mirage]

Wtb spell data pushed to ptr to make your life easier

Blizz pls

[fleet anchor]

I’d prefer lol

[gusty mirage]

I can only imagine how big of a pain in the ass it is to hardcore it

[fleet anchor]

But still. Should work. I’ll test in like 10 mins. Just finishing something.

[gusty mirage]

Ty Koji

[limber lion]

Bless

[spice spire]

Server lookin a little green

[nocturne geode]

true

[alpine latch]

Damnit... I was the #1 DPS on my server but an 8/10M guy got Vault trinket and now he's beating me on WoW Prog. Now I gotta farm that crap.

I blame you for this @spice spire

[nocturne geode]

best advice take friends w you to help

i did 40 runs solo no trink then got some friends to come with me much better lol

[strange python]

I was just making groups - everyone was required to have A +2 key. After each run, we'd all exchange, key user would go to oribos. If we didn't get a vault, we'd just go smash whatever we had that was close, and all exchange again.

We did 13 in a row once. and it wokred quite well.

We'd run either 4 dps and a tank, 4 dps and a healer, or the standard 1/1/3 depending who wanted to play.

100% group finder though, no friends to run with (although i did make friends doing it lol)

[nocturne geode]

also legion loot rules apply so if you can manage it higher keys drop more loot

😏

[strange python]

We got two every time.

[nocturne geode]

its the % chance at an extra piece higher the key

when timed

[strange python]

Yeah - not sure how that works

[nocturne geode]

same way it did in legion

[strange python]

not sure how the math would work out - especially considering you can clear a +2 in about 8 mins and do it 10+ times in a row, etc.

[nocturne geode]

idr the math behhind it but can prob look it up

[spice spire]

Wait why me?

[strange python]

I mean math like 10 runs in 80 minutes - times two pieces versus the time it takes to run an increased key and get a chance at an extra piece, etc...

[nocturne geode]

just giving the person options dont hate

[strange python]

lol ok

[alpine latch]

Convenience, mostly. You were here and Cev wasn't

[spice spire]

[alpine latch]

It's okay I still love you

[fleet anchor]

Issue is raidbots in your output is running against e57fa6477c which is like a 3 day old build

[spice spire]

Damn

That’s such a weird fucking thing

[fleet anchor]

Are you accidentally on weekly perhaps? I'm not seeing any issues in the raidbots dev log for nightly rebuilds

[limber lion]

Wtffffff

I literally flamed someone for using weekly like 2 days ago

[fleet anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/ironic-star-wars-chode-gif-5274592

[limber lion]

But you're right, it is on weekly, how does that happen

Oxi said he had similar issues as well, that's odd

Well I'm a dumbo

So anyways, how's everyones Friday so far?

[soft shale]

just ended my day at work

drinking some monster to stay awake for testing

[limber lion]

Good, I just downed an energy drink as well

[strange python]

I quit energy drinks, but a coffee sounds good

[limber lion]

I wish I could too

[nocturne geode]

decided to try a crazy combo of a coffee frap today at recommendation of a friend its was a java chip frap with strawberries blended in. literally blew my mind youll thank me later if you try it

[gusty mirage]

I was on nightly and it did the same, but I can recheck it when I get a chance

[pure mauve]

Good afternoon, anyone knows how can i trigger a sound when garrote cd is up?

[strange python]

yeah you can just make a weakaura

I could show you but it's definitely off topic for this channel

[pure mauve]

if you could tell me in mp i would rly appreciate it

[visual prairie]

is the buffed tier set on PTR yet?

[vestal wren]

no

rogue changes did not make it into the ptr build

[spice spire]

And won’t until the first of the year

[timid cloud]

Oh how the turns have tabled Cev...

[fleet anchor]

Doubt we see a build until like.. the 10th or 11th if I'm honest

[timid cloud]

[fleet anchor]

Lots of offices have the 3rd off anyway because it's New Years Day Observed

If my office is any indication, people are kinda chilling that week 😛

[strange python]

If I would savor something (Completely lost since Covid) I would seriously try that

[nocturne geode]

it was surprisingly tasty

[bleak sky]

Koji I see you have a fancy title in DH discord

do you handle their sims as well? or just a simc hackerman?

[fleet anchor]

I do indeed

I've done Havoc sims since early Legion 😛

[bleak sky]

[fleet anchor]

I didn't swap to my Rogue full-time until Tomb of Soakgaras

[bleak sky]

their discord feels almost abandoned compared to this one

glad you're there

[fleet anchor]

But yeah Havoc Discord is always.. a bit strange

[spice spire]

My company is observing the 31st off

[nimble tartan]

koji were all my dhs gaslighting me about windfury totem sims not showing their true strength

they were cryin bro beggin for a taste

[strange python]

lol

[spice spire]

Oh no

The meme

[spice spire]

Tell them next tier the only taste they’re getting is the bench if they don’t swap to the correct dps spec, vengeance fr.

[nimble tartan]

ok ill tell them

[slow marsh]

Yo who gonna be raid testing today and has a spot for me

[fleet anchor]

lol thanks Max

[nimble tartan]

they really believed it dude

they still do actually

[alpine latch]

Same. My wife is off Thursday/Friday the next 2 weeks.

[fleet anchor]

We can't do that because we have New Year's Eve off too 😛

[spice spire]

Damn, I just get to spend that time around the ICU Thursday
But still it’s nice

[gusty mirage]

Imagine working through the holidays

[fleet anchor]

I'm off for the next two weeks so I'm all good 😛

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19493924

[fleet anchor]

Not like I used any of my vacation time this year with all the lockdown stuff going on...

Plenty of time for sims and to finish setting up my new PC 😛

[slow marsh]

sims

[gusty mirage]

New PC?!

What’s in the bad boy

Share the deets

[nimble tartan]

tfw still on 1080

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

still on 580

[gusty mirage]

Bro?

[slow marsh]

rx

[gusty mirage]

You want my old 1070?

[tribal mauve]

I use 1070 :d

[slow marsh]

i'm pretty sure my rx 580 should be better than a 1070

i would love to actually buy a new gpu but they are too damn expensive it just doesn't make sense

[gusty mirage]

Just sell your kidney or somethin idk

[slow marsh]

its not even that i can't afford it

it's that it doesn't make sense idk

[fleet anchor]

i7-12700K + 3060 Ti + 32 GB RAM.. gotta run those local sims somehow 😛

[gusty mirage]

damn that's a nice set up

congrats man 😄

[thorny pond]

I figured you just ran them in your brain

[drifting cloud]

12700k

didnt even know theyre up that high already

[fleet anchor]

Hot off the presses

They released in November

[balmy condor]

That’s current-next-gen

Idk what to call it

[slow marsh]

the new new

[gusty mirage]

you're too old to be saying this

cmon man

[slow marsh]

wanna play fortnite with me

[gusty mirage]

absolutely not

[slow marsh]

ok

[limber lion]

Right? I had a 3770k on my old computer and it was the fucking bomb back in the day

[bleak sky]

FANCY

gz Koji

[fleet anchor]

My current PC is like 6y old so it's got a 4690K in it. Was pretty strong for a long time. Honestly still not awful, but CPU is definitely a huge bottleneck now.

Had upgraded to a 1070 Ti a few years ago so my GPU actually isn't awful but CPU-limited games are more of a thing atm

[limber lion]

Yeh, cpu is still my biggest bottleneck. Had I known that WoW was a cpu game and not a gpu game when I built the thing... I would have splurged a bit more on the cpu

[fleet anchor]

mfw WoW has like the lowest FPS of any game I play 👌

[gusty mirage]

I love streaming sylv and having a constant 40 fps

its sick

[bleak sky]

and they'll likely never update the engine wow runs on ye?

[fleet anchor]

Brand new AAA game, 90-110 FPS ez. In combat in WoW, loving that 50 FPS lyfe

[gusty mirage]

that'd be a huge overall

[limber lion]

Yeh, I have 30 fps raiding and 200 fps killing baddies in borderlands 3

Poggers

[sharp zodiac]

Ice if you weren't smelly horde you could come in ours

[fleet anchor]

I mean graphics engine on WoW is actually not that "un-modern" it's more that they have some really odd bottlenecks hiding in there

Both due to combat and also due to their UI system

[bleak sky]

30 fps
high tier rogue

[fleet anchor]

Addons are ridiculous in their ability to actually directly anchor down FPS in WoW

kinda silly tbh

[gusty mirage]

yea I'm splurging in my next build

[bleak sky]

imagine if cev was running on 60 smooth fps

[gusty mirage]

cuz I'm still running my 7700K from 4 years ago

3070 tho

[fleet anchor]

The fact that WoW for me goes from like

120-130 FPS out of combat

to 50 FPS in combat

is kinda a joke

[gusty mirage]

lmao

yeah its ridiculous

[fleet anchor]

And that's not even really addons since I prune mine super heavily

Just bad engine code 😛

[gusty mirage]

🍝

[limber lion]

Yeh, even more reason to play a slow spec

[limber lion]

I used to have issues with fps in raids where I would literally drop under 20 fps and get mini freezes

It was awful

[fleet anchor]

Yeah that's called installing ElvUI 🤣

[limber lion]

Managed to get them somewhat sorted with a lot of work and extra overclocking

[bleak sky]

is it that bad

[fleet anchor]

(Somewhat joking but I still find it bonkers how much negative FPS some addons can generate)

[bleak sky]

I love my elvui

[gusty mirage]

yea I definitely noticed a big difference when I switched back to default

[fleet anchor]

It's actually huge

[limber lion]

I might have to give default UI a go sometime

[gusty mirage]

but default UI is uggo

[fleet anchor]

I gained I think 10-15 FPS by swapping my addons out for more efficient CPU alternatives

[gusty mirage]

and looking cool is 90% of the game

[fleet anchor]

With no real functional difference

By just using addons where the devs actually care about not making performance suck 😄

[limber lion]

Maybe the game deleting all of my weakauras was a blessing in disguise

[fleet anchor]

WAs are really bad

[limber lion]

Yeh, I only have mandatory ones

Well, had

Before everything got deleted

:p

I think raider.io consumes the most RAM for me

[fleet anchor]

RAM isn't really an issue, just all about CPU

[limber lion]

Yeh

[balmy condor]

I’m just mad atrocity uses elv and a ton of weakauras and still gets 140fps on sylv

[fleet anchor]

Have to profile in-combat

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

Wtf

????

[vital haven]

sometimes i feel like getting rid of my afenar pack and just go with personal resource display monitor or something like that and just have like 3 or 4 class WAs

[fleet anchor]

I swapped to using like SUF and Dominoes for example, they were just so much more efficient than some of the other versions of bar/frame mods.

[vital haven]

sort of like jpc actually

but i cba

[limber lion]

Yeh, I found a broken weak aura that was destroying my fps

[fleet anchor]

And use NameplateKAI for Nameplates, it's really efficient

[limber lion]

Got rid of the freezes but fps didn't really get much better :p

[vestal wren]

[vital haven]

cant beat plater customization unfortunately

[limber lion]

WA and Plater are legit the only things I need

Everything else is extra

[fleet anchor]

NameplateKAI has enough customization for me, but I can see how people want to use other ones.

Can always use the AddOns CPU Usage addon and run it during a boss fight and see what comes up

[limber lion]

Glad I main Assassination, not Outlaw

[vestal wren]

plater peformed worse than kui in my testing and kui was still twice as ressource heavy than kai

[fleet anchor]

Speaking of which, I'm going back to work. Outlaw mains gonna kill me if I don't finish their set bonus soon. 😛

Can't let them find out I was working on Assassination APL testing today...

[limber lion]

As you should

[subtle tundra]

no........

[limber lion]

[subtle tundra]

who cares about outlaw

not rogue players certainly

[limber lion]

Dead spec

[echo geyser]

[subtle tundra]

man i wish we played nf next patch

[obtuse robin]

running sims for a capped class

[subtle tundra]

would be pogging

[obtuse robin]

waste of time if u ask me

[subtle tundra]

stay capped

[vestal wren]

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

just join us on the dark side ram

we have cookies

[echo geyser]

ill play all specs

[gusty mirage]

that's why you're the chosen one

[subtle tundra]

assa better than outlaw

[echo geyser]

bout to level nf

[drifting cloud]

no

[subtle tundra]

what the fuck

[echo geyser]

yes

[subtle tundra]

take that back

[obtuse robin]

[echo geyser]

just got some wings but theyre fucking locked behind 80 NF renown???

thats how they get u

[marble hemlock]

yeah

imagine getting 80 renown

stuck on 78 cuz i cba finishing weekly quests

[gusty mirage]

y'all pretending like the necro toy isn't the best

you keep your wings

I'll turn into a giant bone man

[limber lion]

ya'll pretending you care about toys

Children smh...

[gusty mirage]

I definitely care about toys

[echo geyser]

im not that deep in

[gusty mirage]

I have a special opie slice just for bullying my m+ group when they die

[gusty mirage]

soul infuser/raptors/set on fire/send soul to the maw

[echo geyser]

i think gingi has like 500 or 600

[subtle tundra]

i feel so sorry

[echo geyser]

[drifting cloud]

[keen mantle]

some people had fun of me

now look at the sims

hahahaha

[drifting cloud]

if only you could read 😦

[subtle tundra]

now look at the incoming nerfs

😳

[balmy condor]

@wild lantern does he have you beat

[gusty mirage]

[wild lantern]

yes, I don't deal too much with toys

I have 600 iirc

hold on

[balmy condor]

Sounds like you’re just slacking tbh

[wild lantern]

sounds like I'd have more if you'd run stuff with me

[balmy condor]

I’m good

[wild lantern]

https://www.dataforazeroth.com/characters/US/Area 52/Jezartroz

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

This is why Pepelands beat you

[drifting cloud]

looks whos disbanded now!!

[gusty mirage]

[wild lantern]

PLAY THE GAME WITH ME

[wild lantern]

I'm hard slacking tbh

[balmy condor]

So I’ll see you at raid testing in 30 min?

[gusty mirage]

you're actually sick in the head jez

get some help

[indigo mulch]

Why are we expecting a nerf to the set bonuses? 😮 Arent sub still ahead by quite a lot? 😒 Or i'm i missing something? :c

[wild lantern]

mfw you think I have PTR installed

[limber lion]

Oh yeah, is it Anduin today?

[gusty mirage]

because 12.5% from a 2pc is ridiculously strong

[balmy condor]

Because it’s a 30% tier set in total

[limber lion]

Streamerino pls

[wild lantern]

says the guy who offered to run achieves with me

[balmy condor]

Yeah I’m getting out of bed right now

[wild lantern]

I got some help, you

[drifting cloud]

I swear I dont even care that much about them 🙈

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

[indigo mulch]

Sure but its still behind sub no? I don't see why it should be nerfed at that point then 😮

[gusty mirage]

[wild lantern]

what's your ign?

[indigo mulch]

Or i'm i just ignorant and stupid? 😄

[gusty mirage]

it's Ryler

he doesn't hide

[balmy condor]

Because sub is getting nerfed too

[wild lantern]

what server?

[drifting cloud]

https://www.dataforazeroth.com/characters/EU/Kazzak/Ryler

[wild lantern]

bless, did the work for me

[indigo mulch]

In that case i guess it makes sense. 😒

[drifting cloud]

my pvp and pet battles tabs are mostly empty

[gusty mirage]

RYLER??

BRO?

????????

[wild lantern]

bro why the fuck your overall score so low

you beat the shit out of me in mounts

[drifting cloud]

I dunno I just farm mounts

[wild lantern]

tf???

[balmy condor]

There’s power levels that they want to tune too, tier sets together should be around 10%, which puts the sub and sin tiers are CRAZY op

[limber lion]

Wait whay the fuck

[balmy condor]

We’re over budgeted with just the 2 set

[limber lion]

I thought Ryler is a gamer, turns out he's the most casual of us all

Hardcore casual

[wild lantern]

Oh, recipes and appearances are way lower, and I clap you on pet score, that explains it

[gusty mirage]

Ryler helped me optimize myself for sylv

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

can confirm he's a gamer

[wild lantern]

ryler, make sure you import any/all alts you have, it doesn't do it automatically

[drifting cloud]

dont tell that to cev

[limber lion]

Oh is that why you do 8k dps in p3?

[gusty mirage]

WOW

[limber lion]

i kid

[drifting cloud]

I have no idea what overall score is but my alts should be there

[gusty mirage]

[wild lantern]

cev out for blood

[indigo mulch]

Sure that i can accept. I was just confused why people were calling nerfs when sub is so "far" ahead. I didn't know sub was getting the nerf hammer aswell. 🙂 Thanks for that clarification.

[gusty mirage]

Cev didn't even watch my kill

because he hates me

[limber lion]

Come back :'(

[gusty mirage]

he has my picture on a dart board and just throws darts at it

[gusty mirage]

mumbling "lol shitter" as he throws them

[drifting cloud]

yeah my pet numbers probably drag it down I dont know how they weigh it

[gusty mirage]

our 4th platform strat was sitting afk for 20s while arrows went off

[wild lantern]

pets are HEAVY weighed

look at the info button

[balmy condor]

@gusty mirage when 9k p3 so I can stop pretending I’m better than you

[limber lion]

Why didn't you tell us that you're an omega completionisy Ryler

[gusty mirage]

wdym you ARE better than me

[drifting cloud]

because im not!!

[gusty mirage]

have you seen me play sub?

[subtle tundra]

my sub is stellar

[gusty mirage]

blue parsing andy

[balmy condor]

Have you seen my mythic average?

[gusty mirage]

no but I've seen your in pants average

wait what

[limber lion]

817 ain't no casual number

[drifting cloud]

I just farm mounts and toys kinda combine with that same time, the achievs are just from patch droughts

[limber lion]

Fair enough

[balmy condor]

My mythic average is like 76 or something

[drifting cloud]

Ive got like 5 wins in bgs that have been in the game since mop

[balmy condor]

Trasher

[wild lantern]

Toys are 100pts each iirc, same as mounts

[limber lion]

Purple average

Ez

[gusty mirage]

mine's like 78

[limber lion]

Big

[gusty mirage]

so also a trasher

[wild lantern]

But a rare level 25 pet is ALSO 100pts

[limber lion]

Hey you got your parses during the KA era

Doesn't count

[wild lantern]

So it's massive score farm

[gusty mirage]

actual trashcan

[limber lion]

My mythic average is -

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

you can adress me as r1 tarragrue slayer

[limber lion]

I'm the trashiest

[gusty mirage]

you're just hiding your greatness so I don't cry 24/7

just 22/7

[drifting cloud]

I proclaimed on discord that I will take it and I did

[glass tulip]

pink guild andy

[drifting cloud]

is that an alpha move

[limber lion]

Yes, very alpha

Sigma even

[gusty mirage]

wait I have more 99s as assassination in SL now than outlaw

I'm redeemed

[drifting cloud]

why do you have any 99s as outlaw

to BEGIN WITH

[gusty mirage]

9.0 were dark times

[glass tulip]

because you can sneeze on your keyboard and get a 99 in outlaw

[gusty mirage]

also this

why would I try harder to not do damagE?

[fleet anchor]

If only these numbers actually meant something.. but WCL never retroactively updates them (afaik) for changes in parse quantity so it ends up being really dumb tbh

[wild lantern]

Nathria the only time I ever beat whispyr in dps

[gusty mirage]

when I can just throw a fish on my keyboard and 99 parse heroic sludge

[wild lantern]

Outlaw was... yeah.

[balmy condor]

yeh I love hitting simdps on guardian and parsing a solid...80

[fleet anchor]

I raid on Tuesdays which means I get 50/50 on grey vs. orange parse on early kills.. and often my Today% will go up over time rather than down, but the stats never update

It is sadge

[gusty mirage]

you too?

[fleet anchor]

I put in a feature request to see if they could update the stats if Today% raised but didn't get anywhere 😦

[drifting cloud]

dont raid tuesdays

[gusty mirage]

[glass tulip]

They are retroactively updated but only when you click on your own specific bosses. The actual average doesn't though, you are correct there.

[gusty mirage]

I sim at 11.6

[zealous marsh]

if only wcl could do separate logs for external loggers and no external

would be cool

[fleet anchor]

It also doesn't update on the "highest percentile" column in your main page which is also annoying

[balmy condor]

yeah but they're allergic to that for some reason

[glass tulip]

right right, would be nice instead of the padded 100s

[drifting cloud]

no please

[zealous marsh]

yea padded 100 on guardian

[glass tulip]

That seems like an easy fix, literally just track a different column of data

If it averaged your highest Todays % wouldn't that be a truer tell of your damage across the raid?

[fleet anchor]

I think they'd need to take a conservative approach and do like

max(today%, hist%)

Basically only use today% if it goes up

[oak sky]

Should just use current % then use the % at the end of the week imo

[charred wraith]

and these are our community figures smh

back in our days we had ceverion

[fleet anchor]

But like to give one example, my today% on my last Painsmith pull (which was in November because I've been sitting that boss for a bit) is at 77%, but my original hist% was 74%.. it's gone up as more people have killed it. But on my page it still shows "Best% 74%" which is kinda like

[gusty mirage]

yeah my b I'll choose guilds bette rin the future

[fleet anchor]

Not a huge deal but it's just one of those silly things about WCL

[oak sky]

@gusty mirage you already failed as a cf get better logs

[gusty mirage]

I should have known my guild was going to implode before we even finished heroic

[zealous marsh]

what's your guilds rank oxi

[fleet anchor]

Someday I'll have to try to parse on Painsmith lol

[gusty mirage]

like WR 786 or something like that

I'm a normie y'all

god damn

[charred wraith]

Next time just join echo, cmon

[zealous marsh]

same i have ~80

[gusty mirage]

I'm not EU

[zealous marsh]

so erm where is my community figure

[gusty mirage]

if I was EU I'd be juicing a kyrian druid to pump up the EU boys numbers

[zealous marsh]

man i wish i have a simp

we have only one PI

in a raid

[gusty mirage]

next to your love for mastery

[oak sky]

Full potential realized

[fleet anchor]

Also

[zealous marsh]

what mastery

[gusty mirage]

exactly

[fleet anchor]

I think the Best% avg and median count non-allstar bosses

Which is kinda wutface

[oak sky]

I think thats fine tbh

[fleet anchor]

I mean, kinda?

There's a reason they are excluded

[drifting cloud]

best doesnt count non all star pretty sure

[gusty mirage]

I just compare myself to other rogues in my group

[fleet anchor]

Mostly because either parsing is degenerate on those fights or pointless

[gusty mirage]

if I take their lunch and eat it, that's a 100 in my heart

[oak sky]

[zealous marsh]

i don't have other rogues in my group

[drowsy parcel]

it doesnt count non all star

i was 99 with a grey KT at some point

[gusty mirage]

there's people with 28 externals on guardian

[fleet anchor]

Ah ok, they must have fixed that at least

Nice

[gusty mirage]

every fight is degen parsing at this point

lmao

[fleet anchor]

You're not wrong

[gusty mirage]

sin rogues getting focus magic

[glass tulip]

taking CT to fatescribe

[drifting cloud]

I mean KA is strong but you can have a top100 log on every fight with 0 externals

[fleet anchor]

Sub parsing is at least slightly less degen than Assassination

[zealous marsh]

imagine having ~20 and still parsing worse then some ppl without even 1

[fleet anchor]

That's true Ryler but it hurts all-stars because of bonus points

[oak sky]

Fm when

[fleet anchor]

Bonus points get all fucked up due to external parses

[gusty mirage]

your #1 guardian parse gents

[drifting cloud]

yeah its funny on soulrender

[gusty mirage]

7 fucking PIs

lmfao

[drifting cloud]

im r4 and its 115 points

because r1 is over 20k

[fleet anchor]

Yeah that's super rip

[zealous marsh]

sheeq has some real simps right there

[fleet anchor]

lol

I think the bonus points calculations should have always excluded severe outliers

[limber lion]

Focus magic, KA and PI

The wettest dream

[gusty mirage]

I can't play 3 characters

pick one

[viscid schooner]

Guys what is the best begin of a boss? I do: multilate , slice , multilate, garrote, flag, rupture, vendetta, vanish, envenom, and then multilate multilate envenom

[zealous marsh]

ey and night fae priest ability

[fleet anchor]

Like you have always ended up on AoE fights getting some funnel CN log

[zealous marsh]

forgot about that?

[spice spire]

Focus magic

[fleet anchor]

Where one guy is like 60k DPS higher than everyone else

[limber lion]

Kyrian bear, see you soon

[fleet anchor]

And it just totally screws the calculations

[gusty mirage]

🐻

[fleet anchor]

The best part is like.. the whole argument was "exterals are awesome due to group optimization and maximizing your raid!"

Yes because

Giving that many externals to a DH is certainly optimizing for the raid

🤣

[gusty mirage]

it is

it's bringing up moral before blizz shatters it with their kaka tier set

[fleet anchor]

22 externals to get a DH to 2k higher DPS than an unbuffed Sub Rogue

Seems good

[zealous marsh]

bruh even survi hunter had 11

[gusty mirage]

idk if its actually bad or not, all I know is havoc dhs are straight up crying right now

[fleet anchor]

Havoc set ain't great

That's true enough

[zealous marsh]

mine are crying about totem

[fleet anchor]

Probably the worst in the game

[zealous marsh]

all the time

[golden basalt]

I like the idea of externals and deem them fitting, but I strongly stand by the idea that they should be healer exclusive, and the healers with strong externals should have worse hps and act more like a support role

[fleet anchor]

Why would they even cry about Totem?

[gusty mirage]

you know why

[fleet anchor]

The best DH build right now doesn't even use DBlades

[zealous marsh]

because i am in the group

[gusty mirage]

[zealous marsh]

[fleet anchor]

They get jack shit from the totem now lol

[drifting cloud]

because dhs dont know how wft even works

[spice spire]

It’s sad, I was kinda hopeful for DH because of covenant + normal legendary

[zealous marsh]

they always say

[drifting cloud]

they just trust avade

[zealous marsh]

they have some "resources"

mysterious

[limber lion]

But then again, neither did we use bleeds either or did any optimization around bleeds

But here we are

Hehe

[zealous marsh]

and when i link this note from wow-general

[gusty mirage]

tbf you don't need deep understanding for the game when you have like 4.5 buttons

[zealous marsh]

they always say it's outdated

[fleet anchor]

Avade has already said the sims are fine, it's just "Max said that Avade said" from like 3 months ago recounting something that happened 9 months ago 🤣

(That was never actually an issue btw)

Blizzard is even fixing the tooltip on PTR

[drifting cloud]

it was start of this tier was it not?

[fleet anchor]

To not confuse them

[drifting wing]

quick q about ass mage tower
havent plalyed ass rogue before
since there are 3 targets, u never use mutilate, and always fan of knives?

[fleet anchor]

Nah, Avade first brought this up in DH TC chat like.. mid-CN

We looked into it well before this tier

[limber lion]

No you still muti

Fok to spread poisons

[fleet anchor]

And there was actually no issue at all, it was just a long-term effect of the nerfs to WFT on PTR

[limber lion]

Poisons on all targets? Muti

[drifting wing]

ok, ty

[drifting cloud]

do you happen to know what the difference between dblades and non blades talent is regarding wft for them?

like just ballpark it

[zealous marsh]

i dunno about havocs

[fleet anchor]

I mean the difference there is rather significant internal to their own sims because DBlades gives them resource gen on autos

It's similar to Sub Rogues in that regard

But without DBlades they gain exceptionally little

[zealous marsh]

all i know he was trying to bully my rogue abilities so we were measuring our pps on guardian

but he had wft and i didn't

[spice spire]

Isn’t the avade thing just blown out of portion

[fleet anchor]

It's like comparing Sub to Assassination in terms of WFT value

[fleet anchor]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

stop it what if the DH in my guild is in here

[zealous marsh]

well let's say it was unfortunate fight for him

[gusty mirage]

I'm in the wft group

don't do this to me

[fleet anchor]

We discussed it in here the other day actually 😄

[drifting cloud]

well tbh I dont even know exactly why wft is that good for assa, I guess alot of small numbers

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

[fleet anchor]

Assassination gains more than Havoc without DBlades for sure because of poisons. I'm just making the mechanical comparison

[bronze pike]

soon ret will replace dh for wf

art of war baaaabaaaaayy

[gusty mirage]

people bring rets to raid?

[zealous marsh]

[fleet anchor]

I mean 2H specs just gain inherently more from WFT right now due to the design

[gusty mirage]

ye

[fleet anchor]

And the DW nerf double dip

[gusty mirage]

arms warrior is massive

[bronze pike]

[fleet anchor]

#assassination message