assassination

[marble hemlock]

but its a great start

[drifting cloud]

yeah until nothing changes next xpac

[marble hemlock]

ye

thats the risk

[drifting cloud]

and you have the same thing thats obv then not gonna get fixed during the actual xpac

but you have to wait a whole one again

and since were a 3 dps spec its just not high prio

[marble hemlock]

if we need a pretty insane 2pc/4pc and a 51% aura modifier for assa to be good

then thats a major issue

[dawn ivy]

hey with how fuckin amazing our communication is this ptr cycle im SO excited to see the communication for an entire expansion cycle

im praying we can basically sit down and ask about multiple talents and baselines

[marble hemlock]

yeah, thats what im most excited about

[dawn ivy]

nah for real

no copium

[marble hemlock]

the level of communication and informing the community of upcoming changes is a nice change of pace from the last, well, 5years

[drifting cloud]

its just hard since like whispyr says t he spec has been the same for 4 years

[dawn ivy]

this is the best communication ive ever seen blizzard have for ALL classes

[hollow escarp]

then

[dawn ivy]

(maybe not DH)

[marble hemlock]

spec has been the same for 10+ years

[drifting cloud]

yeah ok but its been identical last 4

pretty much

just buttons got new names

[marble hemlock]

yeah i mean

only change going into legion was

making garrote a rotational button

[drifting cloud]

did we even play assa in wod I dont remember tbh

[marble hemlock]

you could

combat/sub were just better and more fun

[hollow escarp]

garrote used to be stealth only, right?

[drifting cloud]

I remember they played it on wf archi cuz of execute

[marble hemlock]

but funcationally, assa has been the same for over 10years

[drifting cloud]

thats about it

[marble hemlock]

apply rupture, cast envenom/eviscerate, maintain snd

build cp with mutilate, sealfate for CP

vendetta+toxic blade as CDs

[dawn ivy]

i want another dot

[drifting cloud]

and yeah anything before mop is a blur for me and I didnt play mop

[marble hemlock]

garrote used to be a stealth only ability, VW used to only proc on rupture

[dawn ivy]

give me rotational bloat i want 20 buttons

[marble hemlock]

play cata sub

had to maintain rupture, garrote, recuperate, snd and hemo

[muted ivy]

Have u tried juggling

[dawn ivy]

i know THIS is copium but id LOVE to see SBS become baseline

[marble hemlock]

snapshot hemo crits during find weakness

etc.

[dawn ivy]

it genuinely feels like a fantastic button for sin rogue

[marble hemlock]

and it was broken as fuck

even without legendary daggers/vial

[obtuse robin]

[dawn ivy]

yeah yeah haha

[obtuse robin]

that deserved 3

[muted ivy]

That ain’t just copium it’s COOOOPIUM

[dawn ivy]

it just fits really well into sin, and its unique

[hollow escarp]

after a 14 months patch of Eternity's Ends where we all gonna play venthyr, sbs will be a forgotten ability

[dawn ivy]

/cry

[marble hemlock]

itll all come back to necro in the end

just wait

[hollow escarp]

[muted ivy]

[obtuse robin]

yea when they decide to make the game fun in the .3 patch....oh wait

[muted ivy]

We all know it’s going to be a fae patch come on now

[hollow escarp]

yeah, for mission table gold farming

[muted ivy]

Wonder what our mission table for next expac will be

I’m sooo excited to find out

[obtuse robin]

i pretty much mission table log these days

[dawn ivy]

maybe this time our mission table with be a bulletin board

[muted ivy]

Bounty board

[shut garnet]

apparently the new rogue class dev guy used to work at riot

explains a lot

[sonic schooner]

Hello fellow mut rogue gamers

[shell ivy]

Bruh this must be a Dream is it

[plush isle]

new set boni seems nice

Shiv causes enemies within 15 yrds to take 100% increased damage from your Poisons and Bleeds for 9 seconds.

[steel bane]

it's op

[plush isle]

no downside of losing crit value

[steel bane]

I hope it stays as is

[marble hemlock]

cant wait for shadowdust to be bis legendary for double shiv

will casting shiv when its already active give us 200% damage for 4seconds?

[plush isle]

maybe for 2 weeks

But I have to admit that I really like this new communication style from Blizzard with the Blueposts and thought processes.

[soft shale]

dust already quite fine for sub maybe assa is next step

problem is that it competes with dusk and other good ones

i hope they do something with deathspike

for ultimate execute andy assa

deathspike+zold brrrr

[marble hemlock]

was mostly thinking about m+

[soft shale]

oh then it might be mighty fine there

it would be kinda funny for 200% bleed+poison dmg ahaha

[normal mist]

I dont really play OL but the new changes are kinda pog right?

[soft shale]

actual bleed gamers

outlaw channel is below this one and yes the changes would make it better as in you can play around it

making greenskins quite better

meanwhile sub becomes a gambling addict dream

[hollow escarp]

80% uptime on blades

[soft shale]

baselike is like 60%

but then it can highroll

to the moon

then it becomes like new ret pala more finishers more cps more blades more dance bla bla bla

im kinda interested in the deathly poison fastening with vendetta too

maybe it actually does more than 2% dam

[hollow escarp]

CT on ST?

[soft shale]

i mean with all the energy you get might be

ct and doomblade may make a comeback kek

[burnt latch]

I wish CT becomes the go to for st

[soft shale]

wonder if new shiv affects the doomblade dot too

[burnt latch]

I love that talent

Sire and CT gaming was a thing of beauty

PB so boring

[valid spoke]

What is the opener for Subterfuge?

gar - snd - gar - flag rupture vendetta shiv -> envenoms?

[hollow escarp]

we don't do a 2nd garrote in subt anymore

not on st

[valid spoke]

Surely you will with the tier bonus tho right?

[dawn ivy]

maybe

we dont have numbers or even testable items

also youre never gonna use flag at 1 cp lol

not to mention using a 1 cp rupture

[valid spoke]

yeah I meant gar -> mut -> flag

[dawn ivy]

probably

[agile geode]

@marble hemlock are you gonna play necro next tier? or will u swap sometimes?

[marble hemlock]

dunno

unless they rework deathspike

necro is a no-go

[agile geode]

kk

[strange python]

Won't SBS scale with haste, increased attack power, and also the 4 piece? I mean it could still add a substantial amount of damage even with a terrible forced legendary to keep it competitive though.

[umbral tulip]

Is it worth to use crimson tempest on ST? Wowhead guide says 2+, but I could have sworn that I heard it was worth on ST somewhere

[deft cave]

hope they rework it, rly love the necro play but lego is bull***

[strange python]

This new 2 piece bonus - that's going to apply to sepsis too? That's gonna be so strong in pvp.

[arctic walrus]

If you are running dashing then no you wouldn’t

[umbral tulip]

what about obedience or zoldyck?

[arctic walrus]

Then yes but only reapply outside of vend/shiv

[viscid schooner]

Finally my edge of night heroic drops

[umbral tulip]

cool ty

[lone lichen]

Blindside / EP and Vigor / strata for raid? Sims say Blindside and Strata but i see people run EP instead

[spice spire]

Ep/vigor is good for any amount of non-st. Think adds spawning, or cleave. BS/DS is recommended for guardian though.

[thorny pond]

It is also a familiarity thing as well. Many of us can deal with the mfd since it generates resources but DS does cause a small change in the flow of the spec and if you are used to one way, the other feels off and can affect performance

@spice spire how are you today king?

[spice spire]

Tired homie. It’s already 5 hours into the day

How are you today mr. beach

[hexed frost]

We expecting some good AoE damage with 2-piece now?

[gusty mirage]

Koji’s early sims showed the 2pc at about 12.5% iirc

So massive ST, aoe is probably bonkers

[spice spire]

Ur bonkers

[hexed frost]

Is it actually true or you are just messing with us oxi. I don't trust you

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Literal source of trusted information

[verbal mantle]

[spice spire]

That’s the role

[gusty mirage]

But Mr. Rohwan because you think I’m trolling, I found you the link #assassination message

Enjoy

[hexed frost]

Thank you. I love being proved wrong sometimes

[vestal wren]

ye it sounds rly good ^^

[gusty mirage]

Just a casual 28% increase with full tier set and double leggo

[spice spire]

Light increase

[vestal wren]

def. needs some buffs

200% damage instead of 100% pls

[spice spire]

Based

Three things in life are inevitable: death, taxes, and an assassination tier.

[gusty mirage]

Is there cake too?

[vestal wren]

haha, i guess you played a diffrent game than me then for the last years

[spice spire]

Cake is garbage tho

[gusty mirage]

Outlaw 4pc looks like it could have a lot of potential with some number tweaking

For what it’s worth

[spice spire]

And tbf, I was, fuu. Only been playing wow for the past 18 months

[vestal wren]

tbh

subtlety tier set is the lest exciting one

[spice spire]

Well, now. I’m hoping the sub bros get some love too

I wouldn’t mind being stepped on by a sub rogue for a tier

[gusty mirage]

I’m just curious how the bug fixes will shape out for sub

[regal cloud]

Sub tier for pvp is biggest joke

[vestal wren]

i mean the tier set looks great dps wise

[gusty mirage]

Don’t you mean dom rogue?

[vestal wren]

but subtlety becomes kinda like roulette with procs

[spice spire]

Why you gotta make it lewd

[gusty mirage]

Ye that’ll feel like shit to play too

[spice spire]

Outlaw #2 for a tier

[vestal wren]

its the same we had with assassination in late legion

[spice spire]

[vestal wren]

get lucky poison bomb procs during execute and you rank 1 world

get not good ones, well

[gusty mirage]

Scari’s doing great listening to feedback though, so I wouldn’t be too worried

[spice spire]

Yeah and that isn’t remembered fondly

[gusty mirage]

As long as people are giving feedback, it’ll get some love

[vestal wren]

he does yes

[spice spire]

And yeah, scari has actually been amazing so far. Very very excited

[vestal wren]

but he did also state that he likes the current set

[gusty mirage]

Said the same about outlaw too iirc

[spice spire]

Yeah I guess thematically all have remained the same though

It would be hard to change the sub to a more likable state without changing the theme altogether, no?

[gusty mirage]

So if there’s a way to keep it similar but synergize them I’m sure he’ll figure it out

Cuz right now they’re kinda counterintuitive

4pc reduces the amount of shadowstrikes you actually cast

[vestal wren]

it just makes the strike casts come from the set

what does technically not reduce the amount of casts

[gusty mirage]

Yeah and afaik the 4pc doesn’t proc the 2pc right?

[vestal wren]

it does

[gusty mirage]

Oh

Then you guys are chilling

Bug fixes will be stonks

[vestal wren]

its listed as bugfix

[gusty mirage]

Akaari’s is taken off life support

[vestal wren]

so the only thing the 4p does not do is proc symbols crit and premed

what i think is good

[gusty mirage]

Missed a chance at saving premed from being awful

Sadge

[vestal wren]

premed could be insane

[spice spire]

[vestal wren]

but only if blizz moves back dance changes from bfa to sl

[spice spire]

Premed more dead than alacrity row for us

[vestal wren]

because more dance casts due to shorter duration but more stacks would give premed a push

[soft shale]

nah ala takes the wheel for assa

pre med can still see the light

[vestal wren]

but i should move the entire conversation to #subtlety because i kind of move away to much from this channel topic 😛

[soft shale]

for assa just pray deathspike gets something done to it

necro seems the best sinergy with set but then you have to deal with that leggo

[gusty mirage]

It’ll see play in m+ with the new 2pc

That makes it fine tbh

[spice spire]

Well sbs has 0 synergy rn yeah?

[soft shale]

well sepsis in pvp will also be busted

[spice spire]

Unless the two piece works with it now?

[soft shale]

it already ticks for 9k with the conduit

[gusty mirage]

2pc makes sbs crit

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

It has zero synergy with the 4pc

Though

[spice spire]

Alive in m+

Yeah it shouldn’t ever

[soft shale]

they changed the set

[spice spire]

No exsang effects on sbs

[gusty mirage]

The plan is that it will speed it up for the duration of vendetta

[soft shale]

now its 100% increased to bleed and poison for the 2p

[spice spire]

I like to have servers

[gusty mirage]

And then go back to normal

[soft shale]

so it also double dips on crits and sf

kinda crazy

[gusty mirage]

Yeah

Necro for cleave/aoe fights is looking alive and well

Probably still not as good as venthyr in raid even in cleave

But

[soft shale]

tbh there will be many cleave fights

[spice spire]

I’m gonna bring out the copy pasta

[gusty mirage]

Def viable

[soft shale]

i mean look at what you can do with mfd

[vestal wren]

necro is best on sustained cleave for all 3 specs iirc

even on subtlety where necro has not a lot of synergy

[soft shale]

funnily enough deathspike is not horrible for sub

the st is baseline quite strong so the cleave helping is quite cool

[gusty mirage]

I just think the vers and prio damage from obedience kinda negates any gain in cleave from necro tbh (and I could just be feel crafting my ass off about it rn)

[soft shale]

it's more a dungeon thing for now

same as mfd

the more resets the more value

and with 2 set having 5 mobs with the dot rolling with sf and shiv

[gusty mirage]

Yeah 2pc rework is def necro stonks in m+

[soft shale]

is going to be quite potent

as baseline you cant do that

as you only have 3 stacks and they dont double

[gusty mirage]

Tbf it’ll get nerfed

[soft shale]

ahaha i wonder

[gusty mirage]

Because 12.5% from a 2pc is insane

[vestal wren]

subtlety: hides

[spice spire]

动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 bone spike triggers 六四天安門事件 set bonus天安門大屠殺  out of control 反右派鬥爭 my mind.. the wheels in it were turning 大躍進政策 insane scaling 文化大革命 many bleed damage increase 人權 awakening 民運自由 theorycraft 獨立 almost went mad 多黨制diminishing returns 台灣 臺灣 Infinite 中華民國  combine all three 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 5.0 haste weight 達賴喇嘛 secret rogue build 100000 dps 法輪功 assassination meta dominate 10 years 新疆維吾爾自治區 ~heavy inhale 諾貝爾和平獎 deathspike op build meta 劉暁波 rogue best healer best 民主 言論 洪志 bone epic 劉曉波动态网

[gusty mirage]

Esp considering it synergizes so well with the 4pc

[soft shale]

yea the number is quite high for the 2pc but well they have a lot of time

but yea sepsis with conduit will HURT

[verbal mantle]

@gusty mirage theres some spam in sin channel, could you ban this rioter pls?

[spice spire]

Damn

[verbal mantle]

[gusty mirage]

on it

[spice spire]

Dadsen

[verbal mantle]

time to go back in my cave

[limber lion]

Gar - gar - gar - gar - ct - sbs - sbs - rup - sbs - rup - shiv

[spice spire]

Yes man

Now you’re speaking my language mr. Ceverion

[limber lion]

Hopefilly the pack survives long enough

To setup everything

God I can't type for shit on the phone

[gusty mirage]

Anything under a 20 and it’s a wash

[vestal wren]

garrote one 😛

[limber lion]

Garret

[gusty mirage]

Just don’t invite ww monks

[limber lion]

Just be the first to pull

Premptively pull a pack from the side and apply bleeds while they run toward your tank

[gusty mirage]

Lmfaoooo

[spice spire]

Damn we dealing with center platform in top?

Nah we’re dealing with the entire platform in top

[soft shale]

tbh packs live quite decently long on 27s

we safe

[thorny pond]

TOP now sin dungeon x3 confirmed

[gusty mirage]

I’m just glad we get some love for bleeds

[thorny pond]

bring a mage healer for lust

[gusty mirage]

It’s like Christmas

[spice spire]

Yessir

Class identity

We have one

Instead of generic gabagool damage

[limber lion]

Yo wtf I just finished all 15's, who do you think I am???????

[soft shale]

it's kinda funny that assa comes back to be a dot spec and necro feral too

i havent even done all 20s kek

lazy lazy

fuck spires

[gusty mirage]

Yo true

[limber lion]

Spires is the only 20 I've done

[spice spire]

I’ve only done SD cuz group died

[gusty mirage]

Between the palm trees on first boss and the skirmishers jumping away constantly

[soft shale]

it just makes people quite interesting

[limber lion]

Couldn't care less about m+, would do if I had a group

[spice spire]

Yo fuck the palm trees

And the angels

On the final boss

[soft shale]

krestia can suck something

[thorny pond]

dn

[spice spire]

Mr. beach what’s DN?

[thorny pond]

dunno no

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Nice

[thorny pond]

I figured the kids would fill in for me. I see it all the time

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion as soon as I saw the 2pc I was like damn dude Cev’s about to nut

[kind talon]

I’d rlly like for them to introduce a prio damage component as well

But yeah that two piece is unreal

[limber lion]

Oh like the entire 4p that we already have?

[kind talon]

I mean I’d rather the 2pc be like

[limber lion]

Shit?

Let's remove the aoe component

[kind talon]

Decent st and decent aoe than bad st and good aoe

Nah

[limber lion]

It's not bad st wtf

[kind talon]

But if they have to nerf it

Nvm

[limber lion]

It's busted st

The aoe is just extra

[kind talon]

I’m talking about

When they tune it

[limber lion]

They don't balance around the aoe component of it

It's literally just extra on top

[kind talon]

Ye

[limber lion]

The st plan is 10% for most tier sets

That's what they aim for everyone

[kind talon]

Is that just 2 pc or combined?

[limber lion]

For some they also get aoe benefit

Combined

[kind talon]

Ya the aoe benefit seems unreal

But it would be nice to see assa in m+

[limber lion]

Yeh that's what the 2p does

Makes us more viablr

[kind talon]

Ye

Super sick

[limber lion]

It's amazing

[kind talon]

All I was saying was I hope future tuning keeps the 2pc rlly strong in st and aoe

I hope they don’t take it in a bit aoe direction

[spice spire]

It is

[kind talon]

I know

I hope they keep it that way

[limber lion]

Yes and it will continue to be

[kind talon]

Poggies

[limber lion]

The aoe is just extra

But yeh, I'm hyped

[kind talon]

Man I’m so hyped for sin next tier

[spice spire]

I mean yeah - I think just the basic line of increasing bleeds and poisons will lend to both and craft an actual identity for us

Which is neat shit

[sturdy mesa]

About time to increase bleeds n poisons

[kind talon]

Frfr

[fervent rune]

I was just talking to a guild member about switching because I thought assa was screwed next tier

[kind talon]

:)

[spice spire]

It’s an assassination tier, respectfully.

Even with tuning and bringing it in line, I’m happy with this iteration of the set bonus. It’s clear in intent, changes gameplay and will be a fair amount of damage and in line with the rest. Very awesome feedback given

[timber gale]

as long as ppl aren’t attached to that 12.5% number we good LMAO

[thorny pond]

Thanks scar ❤️

Gordie from DK disc says hi too

[thorny pond]

Yep, the potential for cleave damage in just the 2pc really opens the door for us to be strong in really any encounter design now

[spice spire]

I’m not pinging you almighty scari
But yeah it seems a bit overtuned. As for the design though, very happy with final outcome. Great job to everyone involved

[strange python]

Is Zoldyck the play for fate if you're trying to burn and wiping around 3%?

[thorny pond]

you can sim it

[spice spire]

Probably not

[strange python]

We just make it to that last intermission, and I have no idea how but 1-3 people just die every time somehow

[spice spire]

Tho

[thorny pond]

but doubt

[strange python]

yeah i didn't feel like it would be either but just thinking

[thorny pond]

if you are that close it's good bombs and better play from the dead ones

[strange python]

yeah

[thorny pond]

Don't carry the entire burden on yourself like that. The first 2 phases matter too

[strange python]

right

i agree

thanks - makes sense

I'm #2 in dmg - we only have one boomie so

[spice spire]

Also as long as you’re doing your job, and actually doing it - then there should be little to no change (unless you’re needed to do something else) in your play. It’s a team effort

[strange python]

yeah oh i'm solid on it for sure

Avg life was 99% lol

[gusty mirage]

they could nerf it to 50% increase and it's still really strong in both st and aoe

[limber lion]

I can't wait to play with it

And figure out rotations and apl

New rotation very poggers

[rapid flame]

Any chance we'd start using shiv after we get flag buff instead of during the applications, as to get most benefit from shiv, since we only have 2 shiv uses inbetween flag uses anyways?

Guess its down to numbers and tuning

[limber lion]

Doubt it because we want Shiv during Vend and right after Vend on the snapshotted bleeds

But yeh I mean we'll use Shiv after flag

But we're talking 1-3 gcds

[vestal wren]

yes, sounds like you could do some rly nice optimizations

[limber lion]

Already have some ideas

[rapid flame]

Bleeds keep the dmg amp after vendetta runs Out? Since when lol

[limber lion]

[vestal wren]

nice

[limber lion]

On the 4p

They snapshot the duration and haste etc

[rapid flame]

Oh yeah f me

[spice spire]

Back to the lab

[rapid flame]

So youd get another shiv window with snapshotted bleeds from vendetta AND stats from flag

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/frodo-keep-your-secrets-alright-then-lotr-gif-12907121

[rapid flame]

Man assa now feels so good to play Even just with mfd and obedience, looking very forward to the 9.2 itteration

[vestal wren]

hope it does not end up as complex as the exsang apl

^^

[thorny pond]

More complexities. Then we can claim we aren't smooth brain low ApM anymore

[spice spire]

Still gabagool spec

Will just need a faster fish to throw on the keyboard

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

DK won’t let me down, I know he’s got the strats dialed in

[arctic hare]

Play demon hunter

Will fix your low apm problem quick

[spice spire]

DH also pretty low apm

[thorny pond]

High APM and higher chance of earning a mental disability from your head hitting the keyboard

[gusty mirage]

that's why you buy a couple of these bad boys:

https://tenor.com/view/beeping-toy-press-llegale-go-on-gif-16043655

[spice spire]

Granted I’m a pretty ass DH

[clever kindle]

strafing back and forth doesnt count as apm

[arctic hare]

Trueeeee

[spice spire]

Biggest apm is the walking I do, forgetting to save a rush charge for when I disengage

God bless momentum

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

That’s sarcasm homie

Fuck momentum

Only good thing is I can’t hit the balls in painsmith, trust guys

[thorny pond]

Just glide around

our DH does it, then just eye beams and leaves

always top ball dam

[spice spire]

It’s all you have to do

But also is he demonic or momentum?

Demonic

And he runs GT

[steel geyser]

Momentum feels so good on dummies.
But then you play it in raid and it's so annoying to not being able to fel rush and retreat for movement optimization without losing dps

[arctic hare]

Indeed

[muted ivy]

You can’t just say this and not show us that booty

[spice spire]

Agreed. It’s why I’m not a fan of momentum. But the feelcraft moment of a momo’d eye beam just hit diff

[spice spire]

Sir and/or ma’am, this is a Wendy’s.

[gusty mirage]

[verbal mantle]

[muted ivy]

I’m sorry, I’m sleep deprived

[viscid spear]

Why'd you get rid of the Pretzel Pub?

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

It’s okay, we all are @muted ivy

[spice spire]

Cuz bad

[verbal mantle]

[viscid spear]

[muted ivy]

Okay fair, but like more than usual

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

wrangle it in heathens

[spice spire]

I too am hour 7 into my day

[viscid spear]

The Warrior and I fighting for top spot next tier

[slow marsh]

Wtf

[honest heath]

is crimson tempest better than poison bomb for MT?

[slow marsh]

Yes

[spice spire]

???

[slow marsh]

I just woke up it's 830

[viscid spear]

I gots me my last 5-day 11-hr week starting tomorrow

[thorny pond]

sweet OT tho

[spice spire]

OT not allowed

I’m just told to piss off

[thorny pond]

same

my wife will get fired working for the govt if she takes unapproved OT

[strange python]

Can you has your wife deliver message to biden for me?

[slow marsh]

You mean Joe Byron

[strange python]

yes

[sturdy mesa]

Is joe biden stil alive? Havent heard anything from him in ages

[thorny pond]

#off-topic patrol

[subtle tundra]

JOE BIDEN my homie

we snapchat

[spice spire]

Ayo?

[slow marsh]

BING BONG

So how about that shiv uptime boys

[storm forum]

1% uptime

[viscid spear]

I got a 236 Decanter from SD

Ele shaman was recommending I use CT for big damage

[muted ivy]

[viscid spear]

We had him and a Fire Mage, I was leery about Bursting

So yeah, I should've ran CT but we had quite a few instances of Bursting stacks wrecking us

SD+16 with 1.5 minutes left

And the Ele shaman was just going balls deep in AoE at all times, so that was fun

39% of his overall damage was Earthquake, and this was after the tank AND heals were saying to be careful with Bursting

Oh well, I'm done venting

[cobalt hemlock]

it is what it is bro

[viscid spear]

I mean, I beat him on bosses because come on, ST kings up in here, but his absolute disregard for our safety over the course of the run just so he could point out the Overall dps was something else.

[cobalt hemlock]

stupidity of people knows no bounds

[sand sigil]

sin rogue discord mods: we're not really a dot spec. our dots are actually pretty unimpactful. our bleeds just don't do anything.

blizzard buffs bleeds and poisons for 9 seconds

mods: HOLY FUCK WE'RE OP NOW

[cobalt hemlock]

i mean its combination of the bleeds doing twice as much dmg in shiv window plus with vendeta speed up the bleeds in the vendeta + shiv window do 4x dmg than before

[sand sigil]

eh sorta sure but just the 2pc by itself is 12%

[spice spire]

Not OP, but at least there’s some direction toward it. Turns out having 30% uptime on double dot and bleed is pretty decent.

[sand sigil]

nah i mean if it stayed like it is it would definitely be op

[spice spire]

That being said Mr. JPC, we should go on the offensive regarding deathspike

Surely third time is the charm

[sand sigil]

hopefully now that everyone would be forced to play deathspike ud think they'd fix it

[spice spire]

For sure though

I hope they do fix it

[indigo ginkgo]

the question here is , are the other classes op too ?

[spice spire]

So far it’s hit or miss

If I’ve learned anything from our set bonus, it’s that they seem very open to tweaking to get it in a decent range of one another. Which is a great thing

[sand sigil]

hard to say 100% cuz none of the testing has been done with double legendary and they change stuff 24/7 yeah

[spice spire]

I mean sin’s two piece has changed twice in like 3 weeks

Both of which were requested changes so we take those

[viscid spear]

AffLocks cry in the distance over their DoT damage

[indigo ginkgo]

well when top damge ability its an borrowed power in this tier, we will have to get a very nice set bonus to compensate that damage

[timid cloud]

It's time.

Rise my Sin kings.

[viscid spear]

Crit once again the king, let's crit these pants

[timid cloud]

Show me your critties.

[viscid spear]

Big floppy critties

[timid cloud]

I was thinking more of kitties.

But yeah, sure.

[viscid spear]

Pop them out, critties for everyone in a 15yd range

[viscid schooner]

What is another great trinket? I know the phial is perfect(252) but what to wear next to it?

[spice spire]

Fusion amp, ocular, and faulty countermeasure are all really good options

Probably goes

faulty
amp
ocular

In that order of power. 246 faulty > 252 amp

[vestal wren]

the tw trinket is rly good

worth it to farm

[indigo ginkgo]

good damit , 15 x vaults of the worden 0 drop , its becaming like sylv dagger !! 0 drops since weak 2

[subtle tundra]

15

[indigo ginkgo]

bliz<zard why ?

[vestal wren]

they gave you 4 weeks to farm it, so don't worry ^^

[gusty mirage]

15 is rookie numbers

[muted ivy]

don't only do high keys

[gusty mirage]

I ran 35 in the first week

lol

[vestal wren]

spam 2+ keys ye

doing high keys give you no benefit

[indigo ginkgo]

its what a i do to upgrade

still 0 drop , oh good

[muted ivy]

wait y'all didn't get it to drop after 5 runs??

[deft cave]

funny will be next timewalk that will fall in 9.2 prob so only 1 week to refarm them

[indigo ginkgo]

😩

[gusty mirage]

[muted ivy]

I'll see myself out

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

you will rly want to get the trinket next time tw is up

unless the raid trinkets end up super strong

and the time you have to farm it is lower

[gusty mirage]

you'll want this every season that tw is up

[vestal wren]

yes

[gusty mirage]

it's actually toxic af

[viscid schooner]

Thanks

[viscid schooner]

Tw?

[gusty mirage]

timewalking

[indigo ginkgo]

its way to good

to pass

[spice spire]

Muse finally got his

[vestal wren]

just play subtlety, not rly worth for it

[spice spire]

[viscid schooner]

Ahhh thank you

[gusty mirage]

am I next?

[spice spire]

Yessir

[muted ivy]

N

[deft cave]

7 runs for trink and 1 run for ring with leech

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[muted ivy]

damn, i had to do 4 whole CoS for that ring :/

[spice spire]

[edgy orbit]

so blizz made it that your bleeds drop off sig when you blind him

or maybe its a bug

[gusty mirage]

it's not a bug

it does that in pvp too

[dawn haven]

This looks neat.

Actually going to make Shiv worth casting in aoe.

[gusty mirage]

it was still worth casting in aoe

wrong one

lmao

[dawn haven]

lmfao

I feel attacked now

[gusty mirage]

I blame @spice spire cause I send that to him about 8 times a day

[dawn haven]

[gusty mirage]

pls forgive me

[dawn haven]

Idk I don't play Sin in keys and I was told one time that Shiv wasn't worth pressing in aoe kek

[gusty mirage]

who told you that so I can shame them

[winter stirrup]

Hello I main outlaw and I want to try assa. What do you recommend to me ?

[gusty mirage]

give it a go, it's a lot of fun

[dawn haven]

I can't remember who it was lol

[shut garnet]

thays a very broad question

what do you want recommending? talents? legendary?

[dawn ivy]

i weouldnt recommend sin in m+ tbh

bit of a hassle and less payoff 90% of the time

[gusty mirage]

it's fine for anything below like a 23

[muted ivy]

unless you're a masochist

[gusty mirage]

paging Varas

they're doubting you

[dawn ivy]

yeah i guess i keep thinking in terms of competitive

[gusty mirage]

but ye

I mean even seli switched sub for high keys

[muted ivy]

don't go too low cuz then everything dies before you do anything

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

???

[slow marsh]

i mean it just does the same thing as sub but slightly worse and requires more work

[gusty mirage]

[shut garnet]

in what world does it do the same thing as sub

[gusty mirage]

you still funnel

just not as efficiently

[shut garnet]

and not as reliably either

[gusty mirage]

sin does well to "even" out mob health as well

[muted ivy]

ya but sub can actually aoe without having to wait

[shut garnet]

u ever fan 3 times for 1CP each in a pack of 5?

[subtle tundra]

hi!

[gusty mirage]

They're doubting our beloved spec in m+

[winter stirrup]

Do you know if gears are the sames ?

[subtle tundra]

its mostly cause they are unaware

[muted ivy]

oh me me i have 🤚

[subtle tundra]

they lack critical information

[spice spire]

Varas also a changed man

Ran a sub key or two

[winter stirrup]

At i'm building Crit>Hast>Poly>mastery

[spice spire]

Puked in my mouth slightly

[subtle tundra]

more than that

[spice spire]

I’m gonna be sick

Ik ik it’s for the greater good

[gusty mirage]

mad

[subtle tundra]

im doing 27s now -.- sorry cant troll that much

[gusty mirage]

the guy wants to time keys

and you're upset with him for playing whats best

???

[subtle tundra]

hes just kidding

[muted ivy]

[spice spire]

He was supposed to be the chosen one, oxi

[gusty mirage]

he better be

[muted ivy]

no exceptions

[timid cloud]

He did what he could.

[subtle tundra]

also, like, assa is better for >25 pugs where people dont play around sub

[spice spire]

Ye

[gusty mirage]

which is like super rare cause everyone's running a frost mage

[subtle tundra]

if my group kills my funnel i just flame them

no kidding

im playin sub for funnel, let me funnel

[gusty mirage]

which unironically works really well with sub

[subtle tundra]

otherwise give me my assa

[spice spire]

Because sub requires play around while sin can kinda just vibe out

[timid cloud]

We're back in Uldir, baby.

Just all the time.

[spice spire]

I saw that slip up

[gusty mirage]

wtb shuriken combo again

blizz pls

[subtle tundra]

shh, it has been a rough couple of days

[spice spire]

Having to come to terms with it, I know

[timid cloud]

Not as rough as it would've been playing Sin in those keys.

[vestal wren]

[timid cloud]

Got 'em.

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

tbh aoe could be rly good in 9.2 for sub too

tho assassination with the changes also looks rly cool

[timid cloud]

Are they touching the 2/4 piece?

[gusty mirage]

get prio dam w/ the vendoota

and some aoe burst w/ shiv

[vestal wren]

yes, check the pins

[timid cloud]

For Sub.

[vestal wren]

they made a update to the 2p

[timid cloud]

FUCK Sin.

[gusty mirage]

they're planning on fixing the interactions for 4pc

[timid cloud]

I'm an Outlaw player only.

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

for sub there is no change but the 4p is super good in aoe

[subtle tundra]

ok ban

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

the bug fixes should make it really really good though

[dawn ivy]

will sins aoe damage actually be competitive (not compared to WW persay just like....decent?)

with the tier set*

[subtle tundra]

no way to know

probably... no

😦

[gusty mirage]

well it's 12.5%ish now in ST

[timid cloud]

Probs not LOL, Bonedust is just too wild.

[dawn ivy]

again NOT talking about monks

[gusty mirage]

but necro sin would be kinda huge

[vestal wren]

fw uptime in aoe should be insane

[dawn ivy]

we all know we're not beating monks LOL

[timid cloud]

No one is.

[subtle tundra]

it can be kinda good, 2piece + zoldyck can fly

[gusty mirage]

ye w/ necro

[dawn ivy]

ehh

[gusty mirage]

should be spicy

[muted ivy]

[dawn ivy]

youre popping shiv most likely at the start of a pack when things arent in execute

[gusty mirage]

high key fort weeks will be

[subtle tundra]

?its 25 sec cd

[vestal wren]

sin tier set looks quite potent atm, maybe a bit to strong

[muted ivy]

slightly joking actually could be kinda nice

[dawn ivy]

i guess some packs will last long enough for shiv to come back up

[timid cloud]

The pack lives for 25s might be a toughie.

[gusty mirage]

ye its already confirmed it's getting nerfed

100% was a bit strong

[vestal wren]

but tbh, if sin/sub end up in the same damage area

[dawn ivy]

Sin all the way

~0 variance

[vestal wren]

unless there is a fight that benefits sub a lot more

you won't see a lot of subtlety rogues

[subtle tundra]

if pack lives less than 25 seconds then why does dmg matter

[timid cloud]

Or unless they double dip into items again.

[dawn ivy]

🤔

[vestal wren]

tier set rng does not rly appeal to anyone esp. in progress

[timid cloud]

Did they release trinkets yet for 9.2?

[spice spire]

Yeah scari was in earlier and replied saying pretty much “don’t hold onto that 12.5% 2p dream”

[subtle tundra]

well, anyways im on that zoldyck + 2pc copium

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire you happy? I'm going to play necro sin in keys again

[vestal wren]

vendetta cdr

[subtle tundra]

m+ vendetta

[timid cloud]

Now that's a cap & a half.

[subtle tundra]

KEKW

[spice spire]

Yes man

[timid cloud]

No one is playing NL

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

could be decent 5t aoe

[timid cloud]

My Theo mastery too stronk.

[gusty mirage]

oh no

not the mastery hopium again

it's been like 5 years since legion

get over it

[timid cloud]

No.

Master Poisoner.

This is it.

[gusty mirage]

[muted ivy]

POISON STONKS

i believe

don't listen to the doubters

[viscid spear]

[timid cloud]

See? We'll go...IQD...Mastery weights...

I got it planned out already.

[muted ivy]

Sepsis

[timid cloud]

Yeah, Night Fae.

[muted ivy]

ngl the extra stealth could be kinda sweet for bleed build

[timid cloud]

Okay, I can't actually stick with it, I'll lose too many braincells.

[spice spire]

What you guys don’t know is

I’ve already got the copy pasta for 9.2

Locked in

It’s good

[dawn ivy]

if the extra stealth actually allowed you to benefit form that talent row, sure

[timid cloud]

Also, I wish that the Sepsis ability you know...didn't cost energy...

[viscid spear]

[dawn ivy]

sepsis could cost 170 energy for all i care

just make it do damage

[gusty mirage]

it procs iron wire though

[dawn ivy]

POG IRON WIRE

[muted ivy]

busted

[viscid spear]

Iron Wire

[dawn ivy]

like if it was coded to recognize a NS rupture, sure or evne gave you three seconds of MA somehow

[muted ivy]

required class

[gusty mirage]

or just wasn't dogshit

at all

[timid cloud]

Wait, y'all aren't running Internal Bleeding...?

[dawn ivy]

i genuinely run intenral bleeding in raid

for KT

[timid cloud]

[gusty mirage]

I could see it

[viscid spear]

I run, so far away

[gusty mirage]

toss a KS on a tank add

move on

free energy regen and dam

[dawn ivy]

step kidney an add and then run to another add

exactly

now my kidney isnt a wasted global on dam

[timid cloud]

Why not just low ruppy..

[dawn ivy]

why not both?

[muted ivy]

you're sin for kt

[dawn ivy]

why not kidney one to lock one down and then go to the one next to it, garrote/rupture

im anythign

i play sin and sub

just depends on my mood

[gusty mirage]

I mean....

what's wrong with that?

[dawn ivy]

not like sin is bad lMAO

[timid cloud]

Outlaw on KT if you gotta go downstairs...

[muted ivy]

ya lol, mostly joking

[wary chasm]

Any theorycrafter's thoughts on what lego will be best in 9.2 to use with the new 2-set bonus for the tier gear? I can see arguments for Zoldyck, Doomblade, Deathly Shadows and Duskwalker's, just wondering if anyone has crunched it with the new details on the 2-set

[viscid spear]

I always get sent down to the Phylactery, so I do just fine

[timid cloud]

Does not a lot of damage.

[subtle tundra]

cause you dont care about your raid and you sit on boss

[timid cloud]

True.

[dawn ivy]

bro im a trial in a big guild i have to lie to them

[timid cloud]

I'm there to do my job, duh.

[dawn ivy]

i have to concinve them im good

LOL

[timid cloud]

Which is SINGLE TARGET DAMAGE

UPON THE BOSS

[gusty mirage]

Parsley with the blessed take

[timid cloud]

Do your JOB, your ROLE

[gusty mirage]

my role is to style on the other rogues always

[dawn ivy]

gotta pretend im not a melee ape who only does single target

[timid cloud]

[subtle tundra]

i think there has been too many changes lately

[wary chasm]

That's fair

[dawn ivy]

right now we believe its venthyr 100% and then its a throw up of dusk/doom/dashing

[muted ivy]

i messed up my pre-pull on our KT kill last night and went in missing 2 gear pieces and at ilvl 215 and I was still near the top in boss dmg

[dawn ivy]

my money is still on dusk for the sweet sweet 1min

[muted ivy]

dusk could be interesting

[subtle tundra]

problem is vendetta aint that strong, and now dashing gained more points with shiv changes

[slow marsh]

yeah i'm sure it'll be dusk

[dawn ivy]

dashing energyt is useless now though

[slow marsh]

i dont think its dashing at all

if anything its doom

[muted ivy]

^^^

[gusty mirage]

dashing has a chance cuz of the 15% crit to poisons

[dawn ivy]

i guess yeah

[subtle tundra]

shiv isnt crit anymore

[iron orchid]

and debugging the 4pc could increase the value of dashing too

[subtle tundra]

its dmg

[gusty mirage]

ye

[slow marsh]

if doom works on 2p it's the only chance vs dusk imo

[muted ivy]

dashing is the crit

[subtle tundra]

its really just a throw up, we will have to see the sims

[gusty mirage]

ye

[dawn ivy]

from the recent posts of scar, it seems like theyre intending to keep the 4pc "bug" now

[timid cloud]

Where's our sim slaves???

[subtle tundra]

maybe some fight has some 1 minute shit so dusk is really good for it

[dawn ivy]

theyre not calling it a bug but a feature

[timid cloud]

BACK TO WORK

[muted ivy]

dusk really does just depend on timing

[dawn ivy]

i just think doubleing the effectiveness of the 4pc will bring dusk right into play

[iron orchid]

I was refering to the fact it wasn't interacting with poisons as it should

[slow marsh]

my only real worry for dusk

is that it'd be too good

[dawn ivy]

it will, we already know

[muted ivy]

if the 1 min line up is nuts then it's insane, if you're holding it anyways kinda sucks

[slow marsh]

and drop cd to 45 seconds and then be kinda bad

[muted ivy]

prio burst dmg should be pretty important next tier tho, iirc

[slow marsh]

ye

seems like 1min timers work really well

[subtle tundra]

its really just guessing

[muted ivy]

a lot of mechanics that favor teleports, immunes as well

[subtle tundra]

oh i love immunes

[muted ivy]

with boss mechanics it's a much better guess tho

[iron orchid]

I could see dusk working in most scenarios, but in the raid there will always be that one boss where lining everything every minute is 'useless'

[subtle tundra]

but we dont know anything for sure

there has been only hc testing so who knows what mythic is like

[muted ivy]

now if we actually end up being the top prio dmg is def gonna need to wait for tuning

[slow marsh]

it'll probs be dusk if you want 1min or doom if you want fatter 2min

[subtle tundra]

also, fights change a lot from ptr

[slow marsh]

doom + obed would be nice too

[polar cape]

plots twist there is a sepsis buff incoming

[slow marsh]

buffing sepsis probs wont save nf tbh

[muted ivy]

they'd have to buff interactions somehow

[tranquil viper]

Is Mark of Dargrul worth farming for?

[spice spire]

[polar cape]

sadge

[muted ivy]

for m+ it might be?

[spice spire]

I’ve not seen that it is, but there’s little data to back that up. No one has tried the trinket afaik

Post buff

[muted ivy]

my surv hunter m+ pusher friend farmed one out

[slow marsh]

mark of dargrul still doesn't do enough damage

numerically

might be ok in aoe / m+ if the damage doesn't split but we dont know if it does or not

[subtle tundra]

i think it splits

[muted ivy]

listed under the "now splits damage" buff thing they did

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-legion-timewalking-trinket-tuning-split-damage-w-large-damage-buffs-325310?webhook

[cerulean junco]

I wonder if zoldyck will be additive damage or multiplicative with the 2 piece. Could be some really neat execute damage in mythic plus

[slow marsh]

yeah the 2p alone was already going to shoot sin up a lot in dslice

like 30% boost i think

[oblique storm]

is the new 2set on ptr ?

[spice spire]

No

[slow marsh]

Won't be until January

[thorny pond]

Enjoy the holiday boys

Get some IO and some sleep

PTR 2022

[spice spire]

You as well mister beach

Enjoy the free io gift during the holidays

[timid cloud]

I'm too busy slamming these natty parses.

Fuck these externals.

[weak bane]

Petition for wcl to separate parses by natty or tren

[thorny pond]

Juice up boy

Do your reps for Jesus. Chug a protein shake and get back at it

[timid cloud]

[drifting cloud]

any tarragrue god rolls 1st try no rerolls i swear

[muted ivy]

[spice spire]

Is this a bit of Tom foolery

[drifting cloud]

it was actually 1st try

so I asked for ka and pi

even got feared in opener for half duration

[red plaza]

Lumbering, towers, huddled, and acid gland?

[wanton viper]

Hello

I am here to ask

[spice spire]

Sheesh

[clever kindle]

and picking up the 25% damage buff zones fed to you by others

[wanton viper]

Is assa mage tower easy enough for lvl 50?

[spice spire]

It’s possible

To do, yeah

[drifting cloud]

yes

[wanton viper]

Also is this trinket good?

[clever kindle]

I mean if you had mythic gear at that level

probably

[wanton viper]

I have bfa gear

It's all higher t han 50 ye

[clever kindle]

it gets downscaled

[wanton viper]

Yes

So mythic gear doesnt matter

?

[clever kindle]

a lot of old mythic stuff has sockets, depends on the expac

[spice spire]

Nah

[wanton viper]

No thats copium

My curiosity was more if it was fine without shiv rank 2

[polar cape]

Rank2 add the poison dmg

[wanton viper]

I shall do it

And will let you guys know

[red plaza]

I did a couple classes at 51 because I had a bunch of SL consumables that requires 51 like armor kit, oils, etc

[wanton viper]

Hm

Good point double oil prob nice

[balmy condor]

Would want to use sharpening stones

Over oil

But yeah

[wanton viper]

Sharpening stone doesnt req lvl 51

Should be fine then

[dawn kelp]

60 tries on mage tower and died at 9%, went on arcane mage and one shot it. Why can’t we have balance 😦

[balmy condor]

Because the Assassination one is tuned well

And the arcane one is a joke

[dawn kelp]

At least it’ll be more fulfilling to beat

[sharp zodiac]

So if the set piece were live today and we did the prototype pantheon fights we’d probably play MP subt with CT yeah?

Legit sounds like all 3 specs could be nutty on that fight

[balmy condor]

Dunno bout MP

But I’m running a ton of sims today

[sharp zodiac]

MP would make your shiv windows crazy on that boss no?

4 target cleave in p3?

[thorny pond]

It only boosts poisons and shiv bonus isn’t affecting envenom so my guess is no

Probably another EP tier if I was a betting man

[spice spire]

Any chance of a sim stream?

Time to milk content

[subtle tundra]

yessss i want to see numbers

[sharp zodiac]

I was just thinking that fight particularly

[slow marsh]

maybe if poisons did more dam than bleeds

EP affects bleeds MP doesn't

simple

[thorny pond]

Where’s Oxi? We can milk him

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

bro being overcapped so hard during vend kinda feels bad

not even using drums either

[cold rampart]

!rotation

is there a rotation for ptr?

[gusty mirage]

no

[red plaza]

Test em out 🙂

[slow marsh]

There are ideas but double leggo + the changes coming will change it up

[timid cloud]

Did I hear...MASTER POISONER?

[viscid spear]

Show me the tits on an almond

[timid cloud]

[strange python]

I really wish

[slow marsh]

Kekw

[placid pagoda]

Should i be leveling fae up for dusk?

[slow marsh]

No

[placid pagoda]

Ah good

[slow marsh]

Dusk will be on venth

[placid pagoda]

Oh my mistske I thought it was fae lego)

[slow marsh]

Doubt anything can compete

But I mean you could level it for mog I guess

[ebon thorn]

what leggo are decent on ptr?

[slow marsh]

Right now obedience is my rec

Some people have played dusk too so really either or I suppose

[ebon thorn]

with standard talents?

[slow marsh]

Ep subt mfd

[thorny pond]

“I have nipples, can you milk me Greg?”

[obtuse robin]

succsession fan

[thorny pond]

I’m?

[obtuse robin]

i assume , that is a qoute fro mthe show

[viscid spear]

You've never seen Meet The Parents?

[obtuse robin]

yes i have , im just thinking about the more recent and relevant one idk

[strange python]

Sin does not feel like the play on spider boss

[ebon thorn]

im enjoying

[strange python]

Not dealing with crazy target swap bullshit?

[vestal wren]

nice

[obtuse robin]

is that with 2 leggo

[strange python]

I'm at about 8k ish on the boss but definitely feels like having 2 shadowstep and better target swap would be better

[balmy condor]

I'm afk on this fight

the boss has 0 hp

half the raid is just not hitting boss