I wouldn't keep the axe guy out
#assassination
arctic walrus
near bane
yes, with double siphoning on weapons
grand ridge
also, dig through your bags, do an item restore and grab any leech gear you have
near bane
about 20% leech
grand ridge
do you have the boa daggers from mop
near bane
nope, double nzoth daggers
hollow escarp
you can roll some argus, nazjatar or korthia gear if you have spare currency left
and hope for some leech items
grand ridge
its too bad we don't have like infinite space for old gear
the nazjatar mana pearl gear might be amazing for this
gusty mirage
I did it with 12% leech, he’ll be more than fine with 20% tbh
hollow escarp
I rarely delete gear with tertiary stats, especially speed for old raid farming 😄
near bane
Idk it seems that sometimes I got too low on health and I can't keep up
gusty mirage
If you know any locks get them to make you health stones
grand ridge
I've noticed that happens during the axe part
when your health is just not keeping up
either the axe part or the jarl enrage
hollow escarp
If you know any locks get them to make you health stones
I could sell healthstones outside mage tower on my alt 
gusty mirage
Maybe I should park my lock outside the tower and sell them 
grand ridge
when the axes come out you just have to focus a bit more on dodging them
gusty mirage
I could sell healthstones outside mage tower on my alt <:Hmm:865126050156773386>
Get out of my head
hollow escarp
lmao
gusty mirage
I had 3 in my bags from raid and was surprised I could use them in there
Kinda nice
thorny pond
v nice
grand ridge
I had 24% leech lol
near bane
any tips to dodge the axes??
sometimes it seems they are almost trackin your movements
xD
arctic walrus
if you aren't maxing how much damage you can cleave, then your leech is useless
thorny pond
slowly walk counterclockwise . You can make a 'J' shape and reapply dots
arctic walrus
not having 3 targets all bled and poisoned will only end up healing you more rather than having more damage taken
thorny pond
not having 3 targets all bled and poisoned will only end up healing you more rat...
On the flip-side, you can basically ret it up and just take some extra damage
grand ridge
yeah all that leech was nice but what got me the kill was optimizing my dps
keeping CT up at all times, using vanish and vendetta off cd, blind sigryn early so you can immediately break the blind
and kidney bladestorm
golden basalt
yea personally if i ever let the cast actually go trhough before casting blind it would be a wipe
got the MT down by going full mongo dps
alpine latch
I was on for 7 hours off and on yesterday and I only saw a single Vault key up on alliance all day
FML
There's no Vault or CoS keys up right now
quaint carbon
this trio premade just dropped 3 trinkets and 1 ring in 5 runs wtf. sitting here with 25 runs and nothing 
alpine latch
It happens some times
urban nova
do you use mouseover macros for bleeds?
glass tulip
Some people do, I do not personally.
I prefer to tab target because it's easier for me to track them that way
urban nova
that's what i've been doing
it feels like mousover woul dbe better though?
cause you can keep autoing the prio target
glass tulip
to me that is an unnecessary level of optimization but you could be right
small basin
need to hit them to apply poisons though
unless its big aoe with fok
and yeah i just tab to save my wrist xD
golden basalt
I like mouseover for garrote
especially when doing keys with subterfuge
And also for kick and shadow step
glass tulip
mouseover shadowstep is scary
limber lion
do you use mouseover macros for bleeds?
I personally mainly just tab-target stuff, but I do have mouseover macros setup in case I need to use them. It's just the same button but with an alt modifier, as I never use alt for anything else pretty much.
glass tulip
I personally mainly just tab-target stuff, but I do have mouseover macros setup ...
would you call that... your method?
viscid spear
Man I loved CoS back in Legion, shit was fun. Being able to poison the first boss and doing things before the council fight was amazing.
storm forum
i mean you split up and killed the council first
balmy condor
Oh the mini bosses
Idk
I wouldn’t really consider that a council because it’s impossible to actually do the fight if you leave them up
glass tulip
not on a 2 
balmy condor
viscid spear
I wouldn’t really consider that a council because it’s impossible to actually do...
I remember in the waning months of Legion there were people just pulling them all and focusing down the main boss.
That was terrifying to witness
balmy condor
Yeah and they increased the buff I think
Cause it’s 100% HP and damage now isn’t it
primal elm
any legion trinkets worth farming ?
limber lion
The Faulty Countermeasure for single target and Windscar Whetstone for AoE.
Countermeasure is a must, Whetstone not necessarily but it's fun.
primal elm
@limber lion Thanks <
slow marsh
Hey no problem
marble hemlock
limber lion
Looks like around 20 runs to me. 
solid venture
i've been counting but might be slightly off by a few xD
cobalt pelican
are you imploricating that people might lie about such things
limber lion
cobalt pelican
like the somehow 90% of the server who ran 200 pfs at the start of the tier
but really ran like 3.5 plaguefalls?
limber lion
I would never
I guess some people just have the some uber giga strong mental fortitude
I get tilted after only 3 runs, let alone 50
marble hemlock
thorny pond
but really ran like 3.5 plaguefalls?
Just run none and get it in a vault. Why would anyone wanna brag about their sheer determination
polar cape
I get tilted after only 3 runs, let alone 50
sometime you just put auto pilot and go againe times 50
solid venture
i wouldn't have done it if i had to do +15 tbh
takes too long with pugs , especially when they don't know wtf to do on last boss 😂
limber lion
That's the reason I didn't buy it because it normally takes like 30 minutes to even find a group
when literally everyone wants the trinket
marble hemlock
well, you just do +2spam and people reroll their keys
limber lion
I'm not looking forward to farming it in 9.2
marble hemlock
if the other 4people do not have a vault
odds are very high, one of them will get it
and you just chain
limber lion
Assuming you have a full premade, of course
storm forum
I've done like ~10 runs of CoS and I've seen like 3 trinkets drop and then I come here and cannot believe that people have run 100+ runs and not seen it
subtle tundra
I've done like ~10 runs of CoS and I've seen like 3 trinkets drop and then I com...
votw is specifically bad since its a 16 item drop table
storm forum
votw is specifically bad since its a 16 item drop table
.... is this a bad time to say I've seen 2 faulty counter measures drop in my ~10 vault runs too?
subtle tundra
no, cause im not farming it
strange python
Faulty seems likely to get nerfed
onyx raptor
well it wasn't nerfed by now, so i doubt it
strange python
They made a blue post that they're going to nerf some legion m+ timewalking trinkets
Hard to imagine anything other than faulty and whetstone being considered
storm forum
I got my faulty countermeasure and my guild is making me heal tonight 
onyx raptor
feelsbad man
storm forum
going to be nerfed before I can abuse it
cerulean nest
hpal got the trinket and kept it 🙂
cerulean nest
They made a blue post that they're going to nerf some legion m+ timewalking trin...
link?
strange python
link?
On mobile I'll check, but it was like 2 days ago and something about BC hotfixed
It mentions something along the lines of "oh and btw we're gonna nerf legion m+ tw trinkets"
charred wraith
i think whetstone isnt surviving
strange python
Maybe. As always, blizzard does an atrocious job communicating their plans. So maybe not.
charred wraith
tho ring should be safe and countermeasure is 50/50 immo
balmy condor
Whetstone is safer than countermeasure imo
rancid spade
wheres the macro for all conv spells in one?
limber lion
balmy condor
rancid spade
thanks
cerulean nest
wow ty
slow marsh
It mentions something along the lines of "oh and btw we're gonna nerf legion m+ ...
For MT
They haven't said they are needing anything for normal content
strange python
That was a bit unclear in the wording
slow marsh
That post is for mage tower
It's not unclear
It's pretty clear if you actually read it
Or at least to me idk
strange python
It is. Even wowhead said faulty could get nerfed.
In the same post.
"We intend to make several targeted adjustments and bugfixes to enchants, gems from Burning Crusade Heroic Dungeons, and trinkets that come from Legion Timewalking."
Doesn't even mention MT
strange python
Faulty isn't strong in MT compared to normal content yet is specifically called out by wowhead
slow marsh
Classic miscontextualized journalism at its finest.
toxic quail
25 pulls later the Mage Tower is conquered boys
limber lion
Grats!
tight ginkgo
"We intend to make several targeted adjustments and bugfixes to enchants, gems f...
Yes but the actual blizzard post where the quote comes from is specifically about Mage Tower https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/mage-tower-availability-extended-and-tuning-adjustments/1149470
balmy condor
But thanks for the guide Whisp!
grumbles still needs to be updated for the 35th time fucking hotfixes n shit god damn blizzard can’t just leave it alone smh
Imagine updating your guide 9 times on day 1 and still being out of date
toxic quail
yeah dude thats gotta be tilting man
balmy condor
I just left it for now blizzard can tune the shit and let me know when I can fix it
slow marsh
Imagine making a guide that doesn't just say git gud nerd
tight ginkgo
that summarizes why video guides aren't worth the production investment usually
thorny pond
Whispyr. Everyone tells me that the set is busted and will be omega dps boomkin 2.0. But pins say 6%.
Interesting
balmy condor
Whispyr. Everyone tells me that the set is busted and will be omega dps boomkin ...
Is “everyone” dratnos
thorny pond
Who’s Dratnos?
slow marsh
Lmao
balmy condor
that summarizes why video guides aren't worth the production investment usually
Yeh, automaticjak was complaining about it cause he linked a YouTube video to his guide and then it got hot fixed to irrelevancy a day later
He wasn’t happy
thorny pond
Blizzard will nerf priests forever as long as Jak is about it
tight ginkgo
That must royally suck ugh
balmy condor
He doesn’t talk a lot in the writer channels
slow marsh
That's why I think video guides should focus more on the concepts instead of 1.2.3 do these and you win
balmy condor
But he popped his head in to bitch about hotfixes and video guides
And then dipped
tight ginkgo
Truly a major dude
thorny pond
If jak says priests are bad and only have one good spell, blizzard will simply remove that spell
balmy condor
True
tight ginkgo
I, too, would hate to main priest heals
slow marsh
I would hate to heal
slow marsh
Healing as a dps is fun
thorny pond
Disc priest is good, clunky
slow marsh
It's nice to know you can be mostly self sustaining
thorny pond
Yea. Not dying on arrows on plat 4 is pretty good
oak sky
Professional healer
thorny pond
Very cool
slow marsh
I'm gonna miss the frost set more because of the shields than the damage itself
tight ginkgo
legit the shields are amazing
thorny pond
Yea being a spec that got to take advantage of it was really good
toxic quail
oh Whisp you were busy last week when i messaged you but gratz on CE dude
glass tulip
@slow marsh I definitely read that blue post as saying the M+ trinkets were gonna get nerfed, nothing relating to mage tower. Guess we'll see 🤷
slow marsh
Yeah
The entire post including the subtext on the trinket tuning point is referring to mage tower so
slow marsh
What I'm saying is that you are taking it out of context
glass tulip
🤷 guess we'll see
slow marsh
We will and it's chill whatever they do. But people saying they're nerfing time walking trinkets are taking it out of context which isn't a good look imo
glass tulip
its the hopium that they well nerf them lol
steel geyser
starting trying the sin MT, am I crazy of did Sigryn cast her main ability while my blind while still on cd ???
glass tulip
stupid fcm being such a big upgrade
glass tulip
starting trying the sin MT, am I crazy of did Sigryn cast her main ability while...
The only time you might run into this issue is when you are getting 5+ minutes in
steel geyser
I was 2min in
strange python
starting trying the sin MT, am I crazy of did Sigryn cast her main ability while...
Happened to me twice and I got annoyed and never went back in.
glass tulip
otherwise blind should always be ready'
strange python
Also early into the fight
steel geyser
sec I'm checking shadowplay vod
glass tulip
What could have happened is you missed the beginning of the cast and it continued to cast when the blind broke
otherwise I haven't heard of any other bugs relating to cast timings
steel geyser
yeah checking my replay I just pressed the wrong blind bind lol
blinding target instead of focus
thx for feedback
slow marsh
stupid fcm being such a big upgrade
No arguments there. It's really dumb
That being said I wouldn't have touched the game after raid if it weren't for them so
So it feels bad either way
oak sky
I just need it to stay long enough for me to get some logs
slow marsh
Better pay for a kyrian link while you have it lmao
Get those r1s while you have the chance
glass tulip
lol, as long as whetstone stays good through next week 
slow marsh
See I feel like whetstone is more at risk than fcm
slow marsh
The betrayal trinket is actually sleeper
It's not better than 252 fusion amp I think but it's up there
glass tulip
Is that the shadow dam/shield one? I have that one sitting at 210 and it will probably stay that way
we got a double drop
glass tulip
double on use though is pretty 
slow marsh
True but the betrayal trinket is a weird one minute. 15 second cooldown so it works out
solid venture
me gud healer
slow marsh
Wtb smoke bomb for more healer parse
thin trout
me better healer but not he best
red plaza
brazen zodiac
XD
glass tulip
damn how are you guys healing so much with frost XD
arctic hare
damn how are you guys healing so much with frost XD
Frost just obliterates the healing meters
Well, for us that is lol
quaint carbon
you dont slack in shit 
kind talon
gloomy knoll
weird flex zone
tidal gorge
Effing finally. I should have just used drums to start with. Got her in like 5 pulls after I did that >.<
hoary fulcrum
Which mage tower do we think is the easiest for rogue?
lean coral
agatha probs
grand ridge
underhealing fights helps with healing parses even for dps
also I feel like the frost gem for assassination is the best defensive gem out of all of them
misty holly
The betrayal trinket is actually sleeper
Which one is that?
outer cairn
hmm. so saw the tuning they doing. nothing for assassination. looks like i'm not getting it at all
tidal gorge
FWIW I don't remember the dps check being that tight even in NH gear in Legion, you basically just had to do mechanics and dot up 2 of them and you'd win. I think if they just nerfed health by 5% it would fall over
outer cairn
it wasn't. as soon as I had the fight down and basically keeping sig in blind, thats all it was. keep bleeds up and survive. It still wasn't a long fight, but 6 mins is really pushing it
misty holly
FWIW I don't remember the dps check being that tight even in NH gear in Legion, ...
it wasn't. The dps check is new for this version
outer cairn
yeah. it went form a survival fight to a survival dps check
yeah probably not getting it. i've tried quite a lot and i'm just not meeting the damage chekc
subtle tundra
i think its balanced really well, somewhere between not being hard and not falling over for the best players and still being doable if enough time is invested for the more average players
subtle tundra
from what i heard of legion it was just "dont die", which is really boring for a dps spec
you're supposed to dps aswell as a rogue
do it properly
grand ridge
maybe nerf the axe damage a bit more, and make the dps check a bit easier
tidal gorge
Basically if Jarl isn't dead by that time where he does his second or 3rd enrage in a row when all the rest of them also do mechanics you're toast. It was super hard without drums, I put in like 50 pulls before grabbing a ravaged seed pod and buying some drums.
outer cairn
yeah. i shouldn't need to buy/farm old gear to do something that should be tuned to the point where i can do it with current gear
subtle tundra
yeah. i shouldn't need to buy/farm old gear to do something that should be tuned...
you dont though
outer cairn
not doing consistent 1k
grand ridge
can you send a screenshot of your details breakdown on a good attempt?
outer cairn
i haven't tried since thursday. i probably have close to a100 pulls
grand ridge
also im glad this is sticking around a bit longer. I've had shit to do this weekend and I want to get the book mount
subtle tundra
ok? but have you tried identificating what you're doing wrong?
grand ridge
I heard legion TW will be here for a few weeks
outer cairn
yes. idk. probably not keeping certain bleeds up enough which is hard to do when you are face tanking 3 adds, dodging valkys, avoiding pools, getting slammed backwards and trying to get multiple runes and avoid axes that chunk you to death
scenic jetty
how big is faulty contuermeasures compared to phial + salvaged ?
subtle tundra
how big is faulty contuermeasures compared to phial + salvaged ?
havent simmed but should be around 150 dps
scenic jetty
and ring is huge ?
subtle tundra
yes. idk. probably not keeping certain bleeds up enough which is hard to do when...
well, its called a challenge mode
its supposed to be challenging
whats the problem?
outer cairn
it was back in legion. this is near inpossible for me
oak sky
Ring is like 90-100+ dps depends on what your old ring was
subtle tundra
it was back in legion. this is near inpossible for me
well then, its not supposed to be achievable by every single player
outer cairn
well i got it back in legion, but this is dumbg
shouldn't be a time limit on a survival fight
or so much surviving on a dps check. its both and its extremely difficult
outer cairn
thats fine. differences of opinions on scaling
tidal gorge
Biggest learnings for me were 1) unbridled fury pots OP, 2) seed pod OP, 3) drums OP. But yeah you should be doing a consistent 1.1k or so if you want Jarl down in time. You find little tips and tricks like remembering when to kick the caster to move him around at the right times, when to leave Sig in blind vs. breaking it immediately, etc.
You'll get it, keep at it
misty holly
Dodging Valkyries was a big thing for me too. I think my spacial perception must suck because I constantly misjudged their trajectories
outer cairn
yes yes yes. i'm sure those pots are super cheap on the ah
misty holly
Eventually I would start literally running over to them to make sure i was in a safe spot, because my ability to judge from across the room was very bad
tidal gorge
I'm an herbalist so I just went and farmed Zin'anthid for like an hour >.<
grand ridge
I was doing that too
those angels suck
it feels like they are different distances from the fighting ring depending where they come from
made it harder to tell where the right place to stand was
strange python
BM HUNTER TOOK COURT RING AND LOGGED OFF HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLY
bleak sky
you'd do the same don't lie
strange python
It's not a 90 DPS downgrade for me
oak sky
I wouldnt log out im not a bitch
grand ridge
yay personal loot
tbh though, they have no obligation to give it to you so it is what it is
strange python
I offered that motherfucker 300k for a ring that's a downgrade for him
I hate hunters.
grand ridge
i wonder if it's any good for the other two specs
grand ridge
dang
strange python
I hate hunters
grand ridge
was there anyone else in group who was with the hunter
maybe they were intending to give it to a friend
bleak sky
and people could just want the item
strange python
maybe they were intending to give it to a friend
It was my 4 stack
outer cairn
- and hit the enrage
grand ridge
send screenie of your details breakdown?
grand ridge
It was my 4 stack
thats rough buddy
outer cairn
grand ridge
are you running subterfuge
outer cairn
yes
grand ridge
my garrote was second on my dmg
misty holly
I'm seeing an awful lot of hunters in these CoS farms
Is there even something good for them to get?
tidal gorge
You can vanish to triple garrote, they see stealth so you won't reset them. In case you're not
outer cairn
i do at the beginning
grand ridge
you can get it in 3 times I think
outer cairn
hard to remember when doing everything else
grand ridge
that will make a big difference for you
outer cairn
if i can survive
grand ridge
i believe in you
hollow river
Are you lusting and pressing vendetta on cd or at least to break shields
outer cairn
yes
grand ridge
do you have a trinket that might be better for aoe
like maybe the trinket from the eye of the jailor
flat stat is better for aoe when compared to a ST dmg trinket like fusion amp
oh you have it on
look and see if you might have a better aoe trinket
tidal gorge
If you can, do EN on as many difficulties as you can to get ravaged seed pod. It's mega poggers. This was my breakdown
outer cairn
yeah but hardly above 50% so probably worthless
wild beacon
That trinket is great
outer cairn
axe damage to op
hollow river
If you can, do EN on as many difficulties as you can to get ravaged seed pod. It...
Ravaged seed pod?
Ye
I went and got it last night
tidal gorge
That's "infested ground"
hollow river
Yeah
wild beacon
Are you still dead set on finishing this without using any old world stuff ska
hollow river
I went and farmed the entire Emerald Nightmare
And got what little I could find on my dead server’s auction house
Just for shits and giggles
outer cairn
not that i dpon't want to, feel like its the principle of the thing
not gonna spend a shit ton of gold thats for sure
sweet frigate
consum prices are getting out of hand
fleet anchor
Supply is pretty low atm due to the player base situation
outer cairn
cause its broken
solid mica
is anyone else constantly dying to the valkyries when you couldn't possibly be more in the safe zone?
grand ridge
run towards them it makes a big difference
outer cairn
still dying to axes or just being to low and its to hard to keep health up which is also affecting my trinket which means less crit and less dmg
grand ridge
try more mutilate less fok
outer cairn
whats the old legion flask that gives more than spectral?
and is sharp stone better than shadowcore?
hollow river
and is sharp stone better than shadowcore?
yes you should use stones
outer cairn
ok. got the seed pod
are current gems good to use or should i socket it with an old gem
grand ridge
the current ones scale down to 6
you can get 3 agility or 6 of a secondary
or pay a stupid amount for that one gem that gives 6 primary
that one prob isnt worth it
outer cairn
it was 1000 on my server
strange python
why are prices so crazy rn ?
strange python
MT is impossible to tdo without it anyway
grand ridge
consumables are being used way more
outer cairn
so greater flask of the currents still gives 38 agility? cause the scaled spectral flask of agility only gives like 17 agi
wild beacon
31
outer cairn
so still more. explains why its 7500 gold
stupid
gonna run seed pod and eye trinket
solid mica
yeah im good on this, don't need a spellbook mount anyway 
small basin
you dont need old stuff for the MT
tidal gorge
I didn't change any gear from my regular set except the seed pod myself. Totally agree that prices are insane and probably not worth the small gain.
sweet frigate
btw i just did sisgryn, should i be getting an achievement or something
hollow river
btw i just did sisgryn, should i be getting an achievement or something
only if it was you're first tower completed on that character
outer cairn
well we see how it goes with seed pod and some old stuff and sharpening stones. still hit or miss rng if i can survive to the point where the mechanics aren't all stacked up and getting axes, pools, runes, and valks
sweet frigate
ait thanks @hollow river
found a script to check progress for 6/6 achie anyway
Why does this place have a referee and why am i getting melee'd lol
grand ridge
That just proves it the rogue tower is rigged
hollow river
Why does this place have a referee and why am i getting melee'd lol
wtf lol?
sweet frigate
I am really confused, i finished the challenge, walked to the stairs, got combat and started getting melee'd
couldnt target it either
hollow river
maybe it's some kind of "out of bounds" protection
seems to be a couple of weird bugs going around
like in the frost mage/aff warlock/s priest challenge the main boss will reset randomly
could be that it's just s priest's is bugged idk
sweet frigate
i mean stuff resetting is abit more common this is just odd
but yea its most likely for reset protection
weird thing is you get blocked way before the stairs by this fence thing
tidal gorge
The outsider has come to stop me? Well if you're stuck inside you can't be an outsider, now can you? Checkmate.
hollow river
weird thing is you get blocked way before the stairs by this fence thing
it might be some kind of bug abuse protection for getting outside the fence, that bugged out. idk lol
sweet frigate
DH protection
strange python
any addons to help against xylem pls ? id pay 1000m fucking dollar
outer cairn
wow i maintained 1k the whole fight and hit the enrage
thats so annoying
like just getting jarl dead would mean surviving the dang enrage a little easier
arctic walrus
homie dyou didnt cast a single envenom?
outer cairn
not a whole lot of time to really worry about envenom when i'm trying to keep ct, rupture, and garrote up
arctic walrus
okay but anything past 4 bleeds excluding ct is not gonna be more worthwhile than an envenom
outer cairn
i'm sticking at 1.1k now, but i'm still hitting the enrage and i keep getting chased and not getting the dman shield down now
the empower by all 3 is dumb
so i'm maintainin 1.1k and now i'm still hitting the enrage
like wtf
so i don't understand. maintain 1.1k to beat ti before enrage yet i'm hitting the enrage
strange python
thorny pond
Take the recommended talents in the guide. Use vanish to keep empowered garrotes up as often as possible then keep garrote on CD. Yours is low. Also don’t refresh CT too early and just hit 2/3 with it. Otherwise vendetta on CD and it lines up well with the blinding sig so you can truck the caster hard with envenoms
outer cairn
i am using the recommended talents. i do try to keep garrote up and use the empowered as much as possible especially at the beginning and when it comes back off. are you saying keep sig blind and then vendetta and hit him or break her back out and throw bleeds back on first
and i typically am waiting for ct to be like 1-2 seconds
thats how i'm hitting the 1.1k with the trinket. but its still not enough which is what i'm not getting
drifting cloud
well what % was sig at
outer cairn
i'm not sure, but jarl was close to dying
drifting cloud
if jarl was still alive thats not that close
regardless of what your dmg meter says
outer cairn
ok sure
because been told that 1.1-1.2 is the damage output needed to complete it so i'm hitting tha tmark by doing that much damage to all 3 so unless i'm misisng something else entirely
outer cairn
🤷♂️
grizzled orbit
So i'm sure this has been asked a million times, but how are you supposed to know it's safe to break Sygryn out of blind when she finishes the cast? Just take a wild guess? She continues to blast me even when she's been in blind for 10 sec and gets broken.
outer cairn
if you blind before she gets the cast off you can break it
grizzled orbit
Roger that. Time to kill.
outer cairn
but what i don't understand is if the damage output is 1.1k then idk how i'm not hitting the 410k mark since the mark is 1.1k doing damage on all 3.
so like how am i supposed to make that better
yeah i know when they enrage. i'm talking about if im hitting 1.1k as been discussed to beat it and i'm still not doing enough damage its like how the hell am i supposed to do any better
drifting cloud
I mean your dmg meter is just showing you the wrong number probably
if you look at your last pic your total dmg done isnt close to 410k~
its 335k
sweet frigate
it could be anything, i would try to get more uptime while doing mechanics/dodging, reduce kiting and making sure no matter what CT is always up. you could also let a rapture drop and get some shiv window envenoms on sigryn. for me, swapping to Vigor and using sack trinket did the trick, then again i have alot of socketed bfa gear
i played sack+2 min badge trinket, so every vendetta/vanish i had some extra damage to combine with the empowered garrotes
strange python
Hey, i have a question im progressing mythic Sylvanas now and to day was a strange rogress day we did 20 pulls and on all pulls i did get first two chains how is this possible? xd Allways me first one and second one and sometimes 3rd. never happened beefore
outer cairn
idk what sack is
sweet frigate
yea just realized you already have seed pod
Ticking Sack of Terror, tazavesh trinket
hollow river
Hey, i have a question im progressing mythic Sylvanas now and to day was a stran...
Are you getting hit by swirlies
strange python
No i dodge them
hollow river
Do you have stacks
strange python
i was testing that and i was dodgin how goodi can
hollow river
To clear
hollow river
He doesn’t mean intermission chains
strange python
i mean not 2 chains at once i mean 2 chains in a row on every single pull
hollow river
I don’t think
strange python
i mean the left right thing
soft shale
what you get randomly is the arrow debuff
thorny pond
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hollow river
Are you too close to them?
hollow river
Or is the WA telling you to go right or left
strange python
maybe wa bugged or something idk
hollow river
Nah you probably just have stacks
strange python
20 pull allways 2 chains in a row idk
but in 20 pulls lol
i got like maybe 1 stack
soft shale
you dont need to 100% clear stacks
hollow river
If no one else has more stacks than you, yea
hollow river
In prog you should
strange python
yea true but then our rl will be mad i would not go 😄
hollow river
You should def do what the WA says in prog
Otherwise other people that shouldn’t get chain, will get chains
hollow river
If your healers get chains when they shouldn’t they will not be happy
hollow river
how its works
I’m more talking to hacha
With that
Ik you guys know how the fight works
outer cairn
yeah not doing taz to try to get a trink
hollow river
In farm or late prog I’d say yeah fuck it if you have low stacks
drifting cloud
theres no point clearing 1st as assa tbh
strange python
And every one see my text on m6y head left or right so if i wont go they will be mad 😄
outer cairn
eye trink
strange python
theres no point clearing 1st as assa tbh
So should i just ignore wa?
outer cairn
so i mean if i'm at 335 i need 70k more but this whole time i've been told i need to maintain 1.1-1.2k dps which is what i'm doing and now thats clearly wrong.
strange python
kk ^^
strange python
true
outer cairn
yeah i'm holding that but not doing 410k so its like where the hell am i going wrong
strange python
yeah thats why im going to every chain that wa tells me
outer cairn
so its not just 1.1k
hollow river
But whatever feels better is important too
strange python
we are stoping dps anyway
hollow river
Yeah
drifting cloud
well skadoosh, if you had 335k dmg done and your meter was saying 1.1k dps
strange python
at 84.5
outer cairn
enrage is when all three empower back to back
drifting cloud
thats not the enrage
sweet frigate
ok i found what the issue is
and its actually really funny
you dont press fan of knives, like at all
drifting cloud
you dont have to press fan of knives alot
sweet frigate
its way more damage tho?
sweet frigate
ok im dumb
slow marsh
you only fan on 3 if it's to reapply deadly
hollow river
People have done the challenge using mostly fan of knives lmao
sweet frigate
i dont really play assa i was just spamming fok to death
hollow river
Not optimal at all but doable
drifting cloud
yeah its not a big difference on 3 targets
sweet frigate
damn fok is actually useless, the fact it gives 1 cp on 3 targets is actually so frustrating
sweet frigate
yea, i played master poisoner as well.
hollow river
Which of the 3 do you try to kill first
sweet frigate
idk mby i was inting so hard and got carried by gems
sweet frigate
no thats the soft enrage, due to timer i think
slow marsh
yeah you should kill jarl when he's low
sweet frigate
oh nvm i read that wrong
slow marsh
so last vendetta should be on him
sweet frigate
you can yea, i mostly tunneled sigryn apart from last vendetta
oak sky
Jarl has the least health so he auto dies first
oak sky
It doesnt really matter they take damage from each other
slow marsh
it matters whatever target you vendetta though if you're not hitting htem
hollow river
Does the DBM challenge pack tell you when Jarl is empowered?
Because the wa pack does not iirc
outer cairn
so i use FoK intermittenly to ensure poisons are up and i also use it when say i'm running towards runes and stuff and can't mutilate to keep building cps. my first vendetta i put into jarl normally because i stand there and ensure i get all my bleeds rolling and refresh my garrote. with k shot and evasion i usually get full value out of it but i may just start moving away and putting it into runeseer
and if i'm hitting the soft enrage i just need to get jarl away so i can focus the shield
hollow river
It won’t make much difference so long as you’re getting full value
outer cairn
but the last time i couldn't because i had no kshot or evasion cause he had just enraged
or empowered
hollow river
And you’re hitting the target with the Vendetta debuff on it
civic prawn
too ez
slow marsh
yeah if you have garrote + rupture up it'll take care of shield by itself
maybe throw in CT too
basically do what you should already be doing and shield will go down auto
drifting cloud
yeah lol I wiped once or twice because I forgot to interrupt shield 10s later after it already broke
sweet frigate
could it be that the dmg done to the absorb isnt getting shared to the other 2?
so vendetta loses value
outer cairn
i typically get the shield down without using vendetta and have all my bleeds running
and still ahve time to reapply other bleeds
drifting cloud
I mean if you dont have cof you only got 3 vendettas whole fight, he shields alot more than that
slow marsh
it's just about milking as much damage as you can
drifting cloud
the vendetta doesnt matter on what guy you use it on
outer cairn
i know
civic prawn
dude u use garrote on all 3 targets @ the start and instantly activate vendetta dont use it to get the shield down
slow marsh
full kidney with internal bleeding when bladestorm starts
not leaving sig blinded too long
slow marsh
tanking what you can when jarl is enraged
hollow river
Since they all share health isn’t it more advantageous to keep all 3 bled fully
slow marsh
yeah
drifting cloud
best part is after you kidney his bladestorm he sometimes just afks for 15s
hollow river
Instead of going for 4-5 bleeds + CT and envenoms
civic prawn
u never use envenom u just play with crimson tempest
outer cairn
yes i kshot his bstorm
hollow river
Kk I was making sure Vel was wrong before I went in there doing it wrong
civic prawn
u use vanish for 3 garrotes
hollow river
outer cairn
u use vanish for 3 garrotes
i do
sweet frigate
i think your CT dmg should abit higher, i have lower rapture dmg and way higher CT dmg on my kill
garrote dmg as well
civic prawn
I can explain how I finished this challenge: I started using garrote on all 3 and focused Jarl with Vendetta + potion and drums... I give each one a rupture, CT and reapply garrote with vanish... when Jarl starts enraging at the start I kidney him and keep hitting him without running away, when he get out of kidney I use evasion and keep hitting them with the same rotation like the beginning... make sure to keep garrote and rupture on each one and make sure te runeseer is always chasing u and not staying far away casting his spells
I have like 1.9k dps at the first 2 minutes
outer cairn
thats what i do, i garrote all 3 then mut jarl and throw up a ct then i start applying ruptures and then vendetta him and keep ct up and i vanish and reapply garrote when i need to an dtypically i stay pretty close to him and kshot him and then use evasion and usually by the time evasion is coming off i have to run away anyways to get runes
save having to move a little because the damn pools under me
and as long as i don't take to much axe damage
civic prawn
ok good thats the best start u can do.... there are 2 waves of 3x runes spawning and at the 2nd wave @ the beginning Sigyrn starts casting his bloodspell which u instantly blind and wake him up... u have to kick the runeseer when u chase for the runes otherwise hes still standing @ the edge of the arena casting his spells
the 2nd wave of axes is pretty ez to deal even if u get hit alot there is a heal orb which I keep up after he almost finished throwing axes
the 2nd blood of Sigyrn is always connected with Bladestorm of Jarl so keep that in mind and dont panic
a dbm addon for magetower is really helpful since it countdown before Sigyrn starts casting
sweet frigate
my best bet is that you're being too cautious with mechanics, leaving early for valkyrs/runes, not getting globals off while running etc and maybe worrying abit too much about shield breaking. it seems like you know everything about the fight and what you need to do to max dmg, so its really small things such as bit more uptime that could make the check @outer cairn
outer cairn
i'm gonna stream as soon as i'm done with raid
as long as ppl aren't in there being mean
civic prawn
shield breaking is so ez actually and @ min5 where everyone casts his spell at the same time u can just cloak his ancestral spell
the hardest part is the enrage+ runes
everything else is pretty ez to deal with
outer cairn
then i'm making it to 5 mins and just screwing it up, which means if i get that down i should be good
or idk,
outer cairn
my best bet is that you're being too cautious with mechanics, leaving early for ...
there ain't a lot of time on runes when the little oine is the farthest away
sweet frigate
cant disagree there, but i mostly meant that while you're running to the rune you should keep getting globals off to anything that follows
outer cairn
yeha i typically fok
misty holly
then i'm making it to 5 mins and just screwing it up, which means if i get that ...
The 5 min triple mechanic is where I start blinding Sigryn and NOT waking her up.
glass tulip
fok is actually pretty inefficient on 3 targets
misty holly
It makes it easier when a lot of overlap starts happening at the end
glass tulip
as soon as i switched from fok to mutilates I downed it pretty quick
outer cairn
typically using mutilate. i fok when ic an't mut.
misty holly
I actually used FoK a bit too, but only when I was running for runes and didn't want to turn around.
outer cairn
and yeah i blind her but i haven't woken her back up i die to the shield thing or i can't kite out jarl
misty holly
Mutilate is much better
outer cairn
thats typically when i sue it
misty holly
Rather than using DBM challenges, I found this weak aura better: https://wago.io/KK7puPqzz
Mostly I liked how the audio cues were different.
DBM had too many horns and warnings that all were the same
Was more difficult for me to mentally parse which of the 5 things was happening with DBM
hollow river
oh that WA looks pogga
misty holly
Might want to resize it. The bars were way too big by default.
misty holly
ya
hollow river
bladestorm is either k shot or move away
blood of the father is blind sig
berserker's rage it k shot and kite/evasion Jarl
and ancestral knowledge is obv break sheild and kick
civic prawn
u can soak ancestral with cloak
outer cairn
yeah thats probably what i need to do at the 5 min mark
outer cairn
and his dps was 990
hollow river
super pogga
outer cairn
yeah so
balmy condor
Lowest I’ve ever seen
outer cairn
its like how
civic prawn
and his dps was 990
it goes down because there are only 2 targets for 30sec
outer cairn
i just wanna get it done and over with
finite mist
i was stuck in combat
as you can see
time 6:59
so had been stuck for at least 29 sec
was probably around 1.1
outer cairn
so right now its surviving the 5 min mark for me
balmy condor
i was stuck in combat
Ah makes sense
drifting cloud
yes lust good when you wipe less than 2min in
outer cairn
if at 5 mins they all empower
finite mist
6:30
civic prawn
I use it at beginning and have almost 2k dps
finite mist
for the overlap at 5 I blind with macro/stun with macro dps then kite away crippling and shadowstep back to finish shield
tidal gorge
The enrage is when she starts hitting like a truck. But ideally you want jarl down before they all start chain casting everything over and over. I think I just left Sig in blind and tunneled caster when jarl died
finite mist
as someone else said that soft enrage you still have a 1:30 before you get one shot
civic prawn
bro when ur @ 6:30 u can already go out because they hit u down like tarrague
outer cairn
so i just need to survive the 5 min mark
civic prawn
no need for that macros... boss frame comepletly enough for a good overview of poisons/bleeds + cc
finite mist
k to each their own
outer cairn
i am getting to 5 mins and he is almost dead
i blind sig and then i just need to handle jarl better and hopefully have cloak up to just cloak the rune dudes shit
frosty cedar
i didn't even know it had an enrage
civic prawn
but please post your video of jarl dieing at 5min
he will when u start going all out @ pull
spark scaffold
Did countermeasure simms change?
balmy condor
No
tidal gorge
The hardest overlap for me is when jarl engages when evasion still has like 20-30 sec, Sig casts, and I think caster also casts runes. I think jarl was at like 2% then so kiteable and slow. If you can make it past that alive and kill him you should be fine
outer cairn
thats the 5 min mark and thats what i'm making to and screwing up
if i can get past that and i'm maintaining 1.1k then i should be able to beat it
grand ridge
you can bait jarl away and shadowstep the caster
use a shiv to break that shield quickly before jarl gets to you
finite mist
yep
grand ridge
if all else fails you can feint or cos and survive the shield break
cloak will also save you from angels
outer cairn
thats probably what i need to do
grand ridge
if you use cloak to ignore shield the amount of damage you would have otherwise done to the shield is done to the bosses too
outer cairn
usually jarl and rune guy are next to each other though so its hard to bait him away to give enough time
but if i don't have cloak up or evasion idk
civic prawn
like I said if jarl isnt almost dead @ min 5 ur doing something wrong... even in the video from wowhead jarl is almost finished and he had let a whole duration of bladestorm running out+ blind
outer cairn
he is almost dead at 5 mins. idk how many times i gotta say that
i thought i was hitting the hard enrage. so i'm stuck at the 5 min part. so if i can get through all 3 empowers, i should be good
humble kayak
Anyone know if we have any BIS gear from legion timewalking?
high storm
latent gazelle
rancid coral
hitting the enrage timer on my alt rogue :/ around 800-900dps and 1.5-1.6 on opener with lust , i see people sitting on 1.2k+ is it the gear diff do you recon?
balmy condor
hitting the enrage timer on my alt rogue :/ around 800-900dps and 1.5-1.6 on ope...
1.1 with regular shadowlands gear is doable for sure
But more cheese helps obviously
rancid coral
Any broken trinkets i could use to help myself?
outer cairn
lol i broke it. i shadowstepped behind the runeseer and it put me out of bounds
rancid coral
same, it reset the combat , and btw how do you vanish without resetting the fight? wait for a chain cast?
hollow river
same, it reset the combat , and btw how do you vanish without resetting the figh...
they all have true sight, if you're talking about the MT
vanishing shouldn't reset
maybe if you vanish while the 2 melee are CC'd it might have a weird interaction but you wouldn't vanish at that time anyway i don't think
icy ember
yo how hard is sin's mage tower? compared to sub is it easy/harder?
balmy condor
Did you clear the sub one?
outer cairn
i wouldn't be doing mage tower if i had
balmy condor
I see
icy ember
what is the trick to the sin one? w/the sub one it was how well you can position the boss and kill the adds, is sin just keep bleeds up everything?
astral comet
the fight for sin one is chill for the first like 4 minutes
then everything goes to shit within like 15 seconds lol
sharp stump
Mechanics >>> everything else
If you can deal with them effectively then you have more opportunity to have the 3 stacked to do more damage
astral comet
thats easier said than done
sharp stump
Hehe
astral comet
on last bit u get the guy enraging + valkyr + call of ancestors + runes from prior cast
outer cairn
yeah thats a bit much imo
sharp stump
Saving cloak for times like that is always good
astral comet
in all honesty
sharp stump
Be it to eat a rune, valk or a call of ancestors
astral comet
if you are looking to just get the transmog
do sub one
you'll eventually kill it if u pull it enough
last phase is just rng whether u get good weaponmaster procs or not
drifting cloud
lol
sharp stump
There’s more nuance to it than that lol
astral comet
well you'll always play shuriken nado so adds will die instantly
and hug the edge and move clock wise
its pretty straight forward lol
drifting cloud
well people also cleared it with premed and without nado
so I guess your argument fails there
sharp stump
I did it with the other talent
Shadow clones whatever it is
If you’re comfortable on sub I’d say it’s more straightforward, less pressure points than sin with all the overlaps
drifting cloud
maybe if you knew how the talent works
youd think otherwise
but I guess giving bad advice is easier and free
astral comet
so you're saying that me telling him to run weaponmaster is a bad advice yes?
drifting cloud
you claiming that wm procs are the whole encounter is pretty high on the terrible scale yes
sharp stump
I’d say levelling the whole fight to rng off procs is disingenuous
astral comet
im basing this off of using shadowland gear
no SoO gear or prev xpac trinkets
and yes u do need weaponmaster procs if you're not cheesing gear
sharp stump
That’s not the be all and end all
astral comet
i defeated that tower 4 times so far with different gear sets
astral comet
and weaponmaster procs are massive part
outer cairn
i had jarl dead and i blinded sig but she must have got the cast off and i broke the blind and she aoe me down and i didn'
t have cloak
astral comet
rip
outer cairn
goddamnit that was the run
sharp stump
Still, claiming it’s just weaponmaster that decides if you kill it or not is pretty BS
balmy condor
Yehhhh wm ain’t the fail condition
astral comet
i pulled that boss more than 150+ times and i timed how long it took me to kill the adds
it was very similar each time
but meeting the dmg check at the end is so aids if u dont get procs
balmy condor
astral comet
like think of it like this
balmy condor
Was there an argument in there
drifting cloud
can we just not think of it at all instead
astral comet
ye some guy here said premed is better or something xd
balmy condor
Premed is fine
drifting cloud
I never said it was better
sharp stump
No they didn’t
drifting cloud
its just easily comparable
sharp stump
Reading comprehension? ;o
drifting cloud
I also didnt say that
balmy condor
That’s also not what he said
astral comet
but I guess giving bad advice is easier and free
.
balmy condor
sharp stump
Bruh
hollow river
can we just not think of it at all instead
sharp stump
That was in response to you saying WM procs is just what decides a kill
astral comet
ok so elaborate this please
balmy condor
MT deadass makes me hate spec channels sometimes
spice spire
MT deadass makes me hate spec channels sometimes
What about the other times
sharp stump
balmy condor
What about the other times
Usually fine
astral comet
if you play the fight perfectly, which doesnt take a lot tbh, i.e u position the boss and kill adds in a good time, what is the failing factor if u wipe?
hollow river
MT deadass makes me hate spec channels sometimes
spice spire
Sick
drifting cloud
the other times its triple envenom shivs
hollow river
You’ve been awfully quiet whispyr
balmy condor
if you play the fight perfectly, which doesnt take a lot tbh, i.e u position the...
If you play the fight perfectly you don’t wipe
spice spire
the other times its triple envenom shivs
True actually 
slow marsh
Bing bong
balmy condor
I guess you could play the fight perfectly and then jump off at 3%
drifting cloud
lolknicks
fathom swift
MT deadass makes me hate spec channels sometimes
tell me about it
fathom swift
does the assa one have different hp or something, cause for some reason people are really struggling to do enough damage for ret
fathom swift
yeah its pretty easy when you have infinite lay on hands
hollow river
Hpal in my guild 1 shot the ret one idk
fathom swift
no im agreeing its genuinely much easier than it is for assa
hollow river
But some people have been 1 shotting outlaw
drifting cloud
how is it for demo this time around?
balmy condor
does the assa one have different hp or something, cause for some reason people a...
Not to my knowledge, I didn’t even realize it had a hard enrage until I opened spec channel 3-4 hours in
hollow river
And the outlaw one feels aids to me
drifting cloud
heard arcane and enh were free, so if demo is also easy I guess it might be the hardest one for assa
fathom swift
But some people have been 1 shotting outlaw
i oneshot it 🙂
drifting cloud
but its not really hard per se
hollow river
i oneshot it 🙂
Ig I’m just smooth brain
fathom swift
Not to my knowledge, I didn’t even realize it had a hard enrage until I opened s...
its more like a soft enrage cause you can still kill it as long as jarl dies
fathom swift
you just leave sigryn ccd and burst through runeseers shields and kick them super late
yeah i mean the 6 min one
balmy condor
6:30 they actually just fucking go crazy
drifting cloud
6:30 pretty big pain point yes 
I was taking it easy then sig enraged at 22%, was sad a little
hollow river
fathom swift
somehow a ton of rets are struggling to kill by 6 min
balmy condor
Same here
fathom swift
a bit cringe tbh i liked it just being a mechanics check
cobalt pelican
doing a modicum of damage is a mechanic
smh
it's not like you need to do more than have vaguely hand shaped things on your arms
balmy condor
It was way too easy as just a mechanic check
fathom swift
yeah and people still struggle to dps through some of the runeseer shields lmao
spice spire
Wait hol up 
balmy condor
yeah and people still struggle to dps through some of the runeseer shields lmao
Bruh
I thought they buffed shield, and then in one of my attempts it broke before I even shivved
I was like
What
That’s it?
arctic walrus
my man 
balmy condor
Legit just died to dots
fathom swift
its just insane how many things are like "wait why is this thing a struggle for people"
drifting cloud
I mean I can see why
sure not 100+ wipes
but for example I have most wipes on frost mage
which is prolly the easiest of them all
balmy condor
Yeah but you’re ass
drifting cloud
fact
hollow river
Well in raid progression you memorize a fight and normally have someone calling everything
outer cairn
i'm consistently doing the damage, i'm just dying to fucking pools underneath bosses or damn axes
hollow river
This is solo content so everything is on you
drifting cloud
ha jokes on you I raid with discord muted
balmy condor
ha jokes on you I raid with discord muted
The cycle continues
outer cairn
just need a really good run again. i've gotten jarl down twice now
fathom swift
esp with ret the fact that taking extra damage from pools or axes doesnt matter should make it really easy
fathom swift
and theres another 3 weeks...
tidal gorge
Shield was actually harder to break in legion cause crimson tempest wasn't really a thing back then. So even if they buffed the numbers the extra dots break it easy. That's my guess at least
balmy condor
I mean the entire scaling is just a mess
Who knows why it’s a joke of a shield
Every day it’s another question of why they made things scale down
Instead of template characters
drifting cloud
just say its for resub numbers
tidal gorge
Nah, you needed kingsbane or TB mostly. I don't think vendetta was up enough to break each one
strange python
i just put all dots on him and shiv and that was enough for my rogue
strange python
btw i did sigryn on my pally today just completed it just then
balmy condor
Made it free
balmy condor
strange python
so idk if nerf is already in
when i did it on my rogue, sigyn had 400k hp
pally was 300k
drifting cloud
do you remember your total dmg done to it bailey or you have it opened
I guess I can yt some povs
hollow river
They haven’t nerfed it