14s with deeper strat 
#assassination
storm forum
limber lion
:P
kind talon
My brain is fried
subtle tundra
you are my hero
slow marsh
DS would be good if 4p didn't cut dots in half
iron orchid
I've been running vault keys on auto mode while reading all this for like 1hr now
slow marsh
you have to have mfd to juggle everything
fleet anchor
And some of this is self-fulfilling based on legendary choice right? Like sure, if you go Dusk then maybe CT/Rupture are better because you're unequipping legendaries that make Envenom better. But that still doesn't mean Envenom legendaries might not be better in the long run anyway.
deft vault
is subterfuge better than MA for 9.2?
limber lion
@slow marsh don't worry, we've had our fair share of green boys pushing for new tech via feelcraft only to get demolished after the sim-gods do their work
It's not just the red boys
plush isle
really like the communication style blizzard does with 9.2
fleet anchor
Dusk could be good, sure.. but I've lived through all of Legion and all of SL beta+live with people trying to make Dusk happen and it's literally never been good. 😄
storm forum
i want to play sub/DS* and pretend we're back in nyalotha
plush isle
hope it stays
limber lion
Sometimes the green boys are right, sometimes they're not
slow marsh
Ye I mean it was a half joke
limber lion
is subterfuge better than MA for 9.2?
I definitely think so, but who knows
storm forum
what if we go back to legion days and play NS
limber lion
And some of this is self-fulfilling based on legendary choice right? Like sure, ...
I honestly doubt we'll be playing anything but Duskwalker's
fleet anchor
It's not just the red boys
But we can all agree that Blue bois in chat are the worst right?
limber lion
I think it's duskwalkers regardless of covenant
limber lion
But we can all agree that Blue bois in chat are the worst right?
100%
slow marsh
Undeniably so
nocturne geode
wait what
fleet anchor
😄
limber lion
fleet anchor
Catching strays, sorry
slow marsh
nocturne geode
someone has to keep he hopium around here
fleet anchor
All the Sub bois come into #assassination when they are feeling salty about Sub being worse
nocturne geode
ive literally been playin sin sub is my off spec
kind talon
@iron orchid remove that reaction 
nocturne geode
_<
wary cape
do we think maybe could get some exsanguinate play or alacrity just to strong?
fleet anchor
I'm just kidding 😛
slow marsh
do we think maybe could get some exsanguinate play or alacrity just to strong?
no shot
fleet anchor
Ok, yellow bois are the worst then
We've got none of them around
Outlaw players don't exist anyway
storm forum
do we think maybe could get some exsanguinate play or alacrity just to strong?
if we randomly get 20%+ more haste from somewhere else
fleet anchor
Exsanguinate is ded
marble hemlock
so is exsanguinate
nocturne geode
if we randomly get 20%+ more haste from somewhere else
you do w stepsis and nf
slow marsh
We already are fighting against energy waste exsang has 0 shot
wary cape
at least you have to push something
fleet anchor
0% way Exsang ever beats Alacrity in a million years
limber lion
Yeah Exsang is awful
storm forum
you do w stepsis and nf
I want to be NF so bad pls
limber lion
Exsang is a dank talent in its own, but with the 4p it's just too much
I mean, you never play it anywhere
nocturne geode
true prob
fleet anchor
Alacrity actually gives you extra damage too, which is nice
limber lion
but eh, a fun concept that doesn't work
slow marsh
I mean, you never play it anywhere
You could play it on a 10 second boss fight xD
limber lion
Alacrity is busted
limber lion
You could play it on a 10 second boss fight xD
I mean it's probably insane in PVP
Especially with this new crit buff
NS MFD Rupture - Vanish - Gar - Shiv - Vend - Ex
fleet anchor
Yeah could see that being a thing for PvP burst
limber lion
Dude is dead in 2s
fleet anchor
I'm sure they will nerf the 2pc in PvP though
limber lion
Hope so
fleet anchor
That's getting a PvP modifier 100% lol
storm forum
NS MFD Rupture - Vanish - Gar - Shiv - Vend - Ex
how do we get a CT in there
wary cape
with duskwalkers how much uptime of the 2x dots have people been having?
limber lion
how do we get a CT in there
the dude's already dead, don't worry about it
limber lion
with duskwalkers how much uptime of the 2x dots have people been having?
100%
I probably misunderstood the question
but you don't want to let your bleeds drop ever
:P
wary cape
i mean like
fleet anchor
I think he means how much Vendetta debuff speedy DoT uptime
fleet anchor
That will fully depend on if they remove/fix the hang-over
nocturne geode
^
wary cape
yeah it would be way higher in its current form though
i jsut didnt see them list that as a bug so wasnt sure
fleet anchor
You only get at max half the Rupture duration overhang
dawn ivy
the hangover is kind of cool but it certainly fucks with me suddenly trying to line up garrote/full rupture as my last two globals
fleet anchor
If you cast right before Vendetta expires
limber lion
I mean most bleeds in a patchwork fight are gonna be amplified by Vendetta with Duskies
1 min cd, Vend lasts for 20s
wary cape
what is the average vendetta cd with duskwalkers?
limber lion
and you get the extra bit at the end after Vend
dawn ivy
1 min
limber lion
what is the average vendetta cd with duskwalkers?
Around 1 min
dawn ivy
a little bit less with 4pc, but EFFECTIVELY, its 1 min
slow marsh
When we get obed it'll be 1min yeah
limber lion
:')
dawn ivy
youre never gonna throw a 50 second vendetta unless the fight is over in a few seconds
storm forum
What do I need to do to make it a 30s CD?
dawn ivy
sacrifice a goat
fleet anchor
Reset the boss
storm forum
how many
dawn ivy
at least 4
storm forum
what sizes?
marble hemlock
Dude is dead in 2s
nah, the hunter will just cure him of all bleeds with a single GCD after you set that up with 15 GCDs
fleet anchor
haha
slow marsh
idk it's possible that with 45s vendetta you full send to get an extra cast
limber lion
we're always getting countered, only god and anime can save us now
slow marsh
And it's impossible to get to 30s vendetta
tough eagle
im searching for a spec to do god-queen, is sin on the easy side? 😄
storm forum
20s CD vendetta
wary cape
did they say what pieces of armor would have tier on them yet?
storm forum
infinite vendetta
storm forum
look buds, they changed how void form works I need my "stay in my CD for infinite time" fix
limber lion
im searching for a spec to do god-queen, is sin on the easy side? 😄
I wouldn't call it easy personally
But maybe I'm just washed up
Definitely still has a good challenge
slow marsh
Na the sin isn't easy
vestal wren
sub/sin def. arn't easy
slow marsh
It's not necessarily hard
limber lion
I have no reference to anything else personally, so I don't know what's easy or what's hard :p
slow marsh
But it's not easy
limber lion
Yeh
vestal wren
outlaw is easier than the two, not sure how hard compared to other specs/classes
nocturne geode
id say sin easier than sub if your new
limber lion
I struggled with it a bit
dawn ivy
sin has lower floor
nocturne geode
^
dawn ivy
but a high ceiling as the rest
slow marsh
It took me 17-18 pulls I think I counted
dawn ivy
sub has a higher floor but the ceiling isnt too much higher than anything else
nocturne geode
agreed
vestal wren
the adds just feel terrible to deal with on sub
just highlights how bad 3 targets are for the spec
kind talon
the adds just feel terrible to deal with on sub
just need to enchant double lightless force
vestal wren
haha ^^
kind talon
and have some stupid timewalking trinkets like the EN one
📈
but yeah lightless force in timewalking is insane
jaunty steeple
jaunty steeple
might try that at some point, didn't finish the sub challenge yet
vibing with TGP tho
kind talon
LOL
hollow river
Is the change on PTR?
odd heath
I completed all 3 spec MT. I can say that without an optimal gear with lots of sockets, outlaw is the easiest.
With more gear, sub's dps check is a joke, and mechanic-wise, it is the easiest imo.
alpine latch
Yeah, I only have like 2-3pulls on MT in general. It's been a busy week
kind talon
Yeah, I only have like 2-3pulls on MT in general. It's been a busy week
get the weakaura, dodge the axes, stun / evasion the enrage
stun the bladestorm, blind the sigryn cast
ez clap
there's some specific overlaps, like the 2nd enrage goes into a bladestorm so you need to kidney towards the beginning of that enrage and not the end
so its up for the bladestorm again
and that enrage also happens during angels and runes so its a bit rough
strange python
are we back to being blasters in aoe after this tier set change ? 🤣
tidal gorge
I did 20 more pulls last night after my initial 5 or so on Tuesday and was almost getting Jarl down before messing up a dodge or forgetting a kick with 3 things going on, so I think I just need to have one good run. The runs where I missed a small rune I thought I had gotten and couldn't see under a puddle were the most painful.
gusty mirage
Is the change on PTR?
The following will encompass changes you’ll see in the short term (as in, the next build sometime early next week),
viscid spear
Bleeds for days
obtuse robin
im in the cev corner i like the snapshotting
odd heath
I like it
kind talon
its cool
gusty mirage
well its interesting you all say that, cuz I asked the tier set what it thinks of you all and it thinks you're all cool too
odd heath
Rotation changes and planning ahead are interesting tbh
odd heath
well its interesting you all say that, cuz I asked the tier set what it thinks o...
And you are cool too
slow marsh
well its interesting you all say that, cuz I asked the tier set what it thinks o...
Uwu
kind talon
sheeeeesh
viscid spear
well its interesting you all say that, cuz I asked the tier set what it thinks o...
I-it's not like I LIKE LIKE you, tier set! Baka!
kind talon
baka~~~~
tidal gorge
I like the snapshotting too, but if they leave it they need to change the 4pc description to read something like "vendetta causes active bleeds and new bleeds applied during vendetta to..."
kind talon
uwu baka~~~~
obtuse robin
I like the snapshotting too, but if they leave it they need to change the 4pc de...
if only to save cm's their sanity
gusty mirage
notoriously bad for tooltips
dawn ivy
as long as its TECHNICALLY right they wont care
dawn ivy
OKAY THIS CHANNEL IS TOO HORNY NOW IM GETTIN THE BAT
gusty mirage
just bonk4?
kind talon
DO THEM ALL OXI
storm forum
hornyness? in my christian spec discussion chat?
slow marsh
Yo, what should I get from Taco Bell?
storm forum
I live for this
kind talon
Yo, what should I get from Taco Bell?
CHEESY GORDITA CRUNCH
gusty mirage
Yo, what should I get from Taco Bell?
spicy chicken crunchwrap, cheesy fiesta potatoes, and loaded nachos
marble hemlock
Yo, what should I get from Taco Bell?
see if they have whoas on the menu
spice spire
Why did sin turn into OT 
glass tulip
2nd'd on cheesy gordita crunch
viscid spear
Do they still have the loaded potato griller?
kind talon
ITS GETTING WORSE
slow marsh
see if they have whoas on the menu
What dis
gloomy knoll
an extra ~10-13 seconds after vendetta
marble hemlock
sorry, i meant who asked
gloomy knoll
of increased energy regen
gusty mirage
OH NO
marble hemlock
not whoas ked
gloomy knoll
which is pog
slow marsh
OMG
gusty mirage
marble hemlock
slow marsh
Actually got me
ember mural
gusty mirage
oof
slow marsh
🥇 here you go seli
slow marsh
I thought it was maybe some weird German secret menu thing
spice spire
I guess assassination is happening rn at least
obtuse robin
nah the last part is when sims come out and ct is trash
spice spire
Man leaves a meme, comes back a savant truly changing the rogue meta, not just in one but two patches
gusty mirage
marble hemlock
I thought it was maybe some weird German secret menu thing
it was, it just sadly didnt come with aloe vera on the side, even though you needed it
golden basalt
if you didnt go WW in 9.1 then I have hope that nothing will persuade you
spice spire
Wait that doesn’t work here
gusty mirage
it was, it just sadly didnt come with aloe vera on the side, even though you nee...
this is a human rights violation at this point
dawn ivy
im gonna cry if CT is good for sin, i WANT a third bleed but god please not CT
marble hemlock
Lets make sure we have some numbers before we get overhyped for the setbonus changes
slow marsh
it was, it just sadly didnt come with aloe vera on the side, even though you nee...
I got a plant at home I'm gonna use
spice spire
How is that a burn 
storm forum
If the sims come out like crap I'm willing to swap to dreadblades/venthyr outlaw only
gusty mirage
If the sims come out like crap I'm willing to swap to dreadblades/venthyr outlaw...
god bless you
golden basalt
marble hemlock
We dont wanna end up like those "people" over at #subtlety who got their setbonus on the road to getting nerfed before it even had its bugs fixed
gusty mirage
golden basalt
the sub set risks giving me heart attacks, so many random cps
the sin one honestly feels quite good to play with
viscid spear
👩🎤
👨🎤
slow marsh
im gonna cry if CT is good for sin, i WANT a third bleed but god please not CT
As if you're not playing sub anyways 
golden basalt
why not CT
dawn ivy
im still hopeful for sin
slow marsh
Me too
CT in ST feels terrible but has performed well so far in my testing. I think it'll be the play but we have to see what Sims say like seli noted
viscid spear
dawn ivy
I dont want a third bleed being FORCED into my rotation, Id like 10.0 to add another dot bleed or poison idc
golden basalt
when you see Fuu typing boss music
dawn ivy
CT is annoying as hell to use in ST
vestal wren
We dont wanna end up like those "people" over at <#316923898501529600> who got t...
blizz finally gave subtelty poison bomb level of impact from procs. Isn't that exciting 
slow marsh
It is but it does good damage in shiv + vendetta
dawn ivy
and the 4pc already makes things a bit hectic which i like but not enough to add a third spinning plate like CT
soft shale
yea sub became casino all over again
storm forum
I like playing CT in ST
dawn ivy
both 2pc and 4pc are heavy RNG and both are massive gains when you high roll
kinda crazy
golden basalt
yea, I highrolled on the casino during PTR testing and was so confused, think I pressed 4-5 consecutive BPB on aoe
soft shale
it will be kinda dirty when it chainprocs
golden basalt
shuriken tornado just seems redundant at this point
soft shale
but assa one is also quite interesting
with shiv giving all bleeds 100% crit finally pressing a rupture on aoe will not feel wrong
after shiv
slow marsh
Maybe if we all push to have the set completely reworked they will listen
golden basalt
I honestly dont mind the design
dawn ivy
i dont think thats necessary
soft shale
yea just time to embrace the haste/mastery soul
marble hemlock
Yeah nah
soft shale
frost set is also dying
marble hemlock
Have fun
soft shale
or maybe haste vers
slow marsh
It will feel wrong that you're over capping so much crit % in shiv
soft shale
like pvp
slow marsh
Cuz you can't not have crit
dawn ivy
yeah thats what i was thinking, crit is going to be kinda dooky
soft shale
just mut and do 2 cp ruptures everywhere kek
slow marsh
Venthyr is really crit hungry
dawn ivy
youre gonna want maybe....34% crit?
golden basalt
yes but thats why we go stepsis
soft shale
not this again
slow marsh
Yesterday I played with 40something
storm forum
crit will feel good cause crit always feels good to build more CP with and we're all feelcrafters here right
marble hemlock
Shiv being a bleed AoE CD is just... wrong
slow marsh
I pushed just shy of 20% drs
golden basalt
soft shale
hey not gonna lie sepsis with 100% crit seems sweet
marble hemlock
Sepsis isnt a bleed
marble hemlock
Yes.
storm forum
is necro bonespike a bleed?
marble hemlock
Yes.
soft shale
so maybe sbs
dawn ivy
nah sbs wont work
soft shale
now they do say deathspike does nothing
golden basalt
now if only nf soulbinds and leggo were not poop with assa
true! but the wording in the dev text made it seem that it was a bug that vendetta didnt speed up sepsis
dawn ivy
they already stated
soft shale
i hope they change it
marble hemlock
Vendetta speeding up Sepsis does exactly nothing
soft shale
so you can get blades+ar inside the shiv
marble hemlock
So it would be the same damage per cast of Sepsis
soft shale
before you had to do some quirky shit
marble hemlock
and 2 or 3 seconds of AR/SBlades into Shiv isnt gonna do shit either 
golden basalt
hmmmm wouldnt getting quicker ShB + AR during vendetta be pretty good?
soft shale
and it may have even been a loss
golden basalt
maybe not
marble hemlock
So AR does absolutely nothing
storm forum
getting sepsis pop's AR/SB 5 seconds early sounds like the most impactful part of faster sepsis and that doesnt even sound that great
slow marsh
Kyrian is looking more viable than NF hate to break it to you furry bois
soft shale
it is not great but its something
golden basalt
ah shit
golden basalt
im tired of venth, wouldnt mind fae being the play for a tier
soft shale
i wonder how they will change outlaw 4p
but assa seems like obedience+duskwalkers/other good % leggo
and then all the other things are quite bad
slow marsh
just make next BTE hit like a truck
soft shale
outlaw has the problem of celerity being quite better than other things
so even if leggos have sinergy with the 2p/4p
golden basalt
make it cast old Cannon Barrage
soft shale
it gets overwritten
assa may have good sinergy too with necro and doomblade
if they made deathspike decent
finally bleed spec
pray
golden basalt
deathspike 
soft shale
literally if its 1 target let it have 2 sbs dots
all it needs
boom 6% dps leggo at least
tidal gorge
I sure am glad I've been leveling all my covenants to 80 for transmog 
hollow river
These assassination tier changes are pretty sus
hollow river
Fixed the bug the would’ve made Sepsis BIS
gloomy knoll
deathspike is a thing 
hollow river
Lol I thought I missed something
gloomy knoll
astronomically dog shit raid leggo
golden basalt
I just want soulshape
kind talon
golden basalt
hollow river
Has anyone tested the new 2P??
slow marsh
idk deathspike would've been pretty nice in yesterday's raid testing
golden basalt
idk about that, on our testing neither of the bosses adds lived long enough for it to feel worth it
marble hemlock
Has anyone tested the new 2P??
how would we test it
hollow river
Did they change outlaw or sub?
slow marsh
necro is just for pad rn wym
gloomy knoll
there's classes that do passive cleave
marble hemlock
its not gonna be on the PTR until next week
gloomy knoll
giving up your st almost entirely to steal the damage that they just do passively
is just dumb
marble hemlock
Its written in the bluepost
hollow river
I don’t think anyone answered
gloomy knoll
for prog at least
viscid spear
Does this change to the 2pc make Crit less attractive, at least not as good as Haste? 
golden basalt
crit is already less attractive due to winds going away
viscid spear
True
slow marsh
flag says hi
golden basalt
hello flag
kind talon
hi flag
viscid spear
🇮🇪
slow marsh
flag says do you guys want me to only have 20 stacks
marble hemlock
Does this change to the 2pc make Crit less attractive, at least not as good as H...
Doubtful. Crit is still very important for CP generation, scales our damage pretty well, and while we lose some benefit due to Winds of Winter being gone, the 4pc also devalues haste quite a bit, especially if we are running Duskwalker, which seems like a possibility right now.
slow marsh
why are you dropping crit
you guys are making flag very sad just to have something that was already pretty much achievable with the first iteration of the 2p
viscid spear
Doubtful. Crit is still very important for CP generation, scales our damage pret...
I haven't had a lot of luck with getting Crit pieces, I'll have to be luckier
golden basalt
slow marsh
or just make 2p give mastery instead of crit
gloomy knoll
we'll probably still be mostly crit haste
slow marsh
seems much better
storm forum
if you want to stack mastery go find a 7.2 private server
viscid spear
drop crit increase mastery
Increase Intellect 
slow marsh
spirit
glass tulip
The true meaning of comraderie
kind talon
LMAO
golden basalt
beautiful
viscid spear
More like Conglocks, am I right? 
dark token
this tier set screams haste stack to me now
golden basalt
4p devalues haste tho
tidal gorge
All stats perfectly balanced, just as they should be
gloomy knoll
golden basalt
crit haste sin
sounds troll, when has that ever been a thing
dawn ivy
dont need haste because of 4pc and dont need crit because of 2pc, when we get sims we'll find which one is MORE devalued
gloomy knoll
problem is other stats still suck
so crit haste still a thing
cuz haste increases bleed / poison damage as well as energy returns as well as crit = cp
etc etc
golden basalt
are we stacking multistrike this tier
kind talon
yes
golden basalt
sick
kind talon
and we get a raidwide multistrike buff
so
u need atleast 1 rogue
i dont make the rules
golden basalt
glass tulip
longsocks that guy is pretty good
i've never heard of him or his guild but they were HoF this tier so must be
2900 IO
golden basalt
pretty badass having a guild called <HC> not gonna lie
kind talon
i've never heard of him or his guild but they were HoF this tier so must be
yeah foreverguy is in his guild bro
a true person of the people
a leader
hollow river
A true Guy among men
strange python
Ring hasn't changed in raidbots since the pin said it was updated. Gotta change to nightly?
golden basalt
Ring hasn't changed in raidbots since the pin said it was updated. Gotta change ...
yea, nightly
marble hemlock
dont need haste because of 4pc and dont need crit because of 2pc, when we get si...
How is the 2pc making you not want crit?
Do you not want to generate CP to get more Flagellation stacks?
Do you want to always mutilate twice before casting a finisher?
kind talon
yes
steep torrent
I think he know what crit is good for, he clearly say crit is bad with 2p, which is undeniable
marble hemlock
jaunty steeple
kind talon
dawn ivy
yeah 2pc devalues crit a little bit just like the 4pc devalues haste a little bit
steep torrent
I mean, I would argue wiht the haste, right now, you energy starv during vendetta, if you dont have PI or BL
dawn ivy
but feelcrafting, crit is still a little better than haste
balmy condor
guys I'm trying to make a bis list for 9.2 but I can't manage to get to 0% crit pls help
drifting cloud
so bad at evaluating tier sets 
golden basalt
guys I'm trying to make a bis list for 9.2 but I can't manage to get to 0% crit ...
unequip items
steep torrent
guys I'm trying to make a bis list for 9.2 but I can't manage to get to 0% crit ...
just pick some cloth pieces
balmy condor
unequip items
I'm completely naked and have 11% crit how do I go lower
golden basalt
theres prob some nice grey items on AH
golden basalt
I'm completely naked and have 11% crit how do I go lower
ah shit man idk, delete character
marble hemlock
Whispyr don't
drifting cloud
they should buff the 2set to 69% crit
balmy condor
Whispyr don't
too late character already deleted
golden basalt
we lost him
dawn ivy
crit is too much an RNG stat anyways
kind talon
this 2 set makes crit such a bad stat man
so what you wanna do, if youre gonna play assass, is garret 1 garret 2 garret 3
dawn ivy
just stack mastery vers
golden basalt
so what you wanna do, if youre gonna play assass, is garret 1 garret 2 garret 3
wait until vanish and repeat
kind talon
wait until vanish and repeat
true
rupture 4 vendetta exsanguinate
fok fok rupture vanish reapply garrets especially on the ones that you dont have
and then youre gonna wanna ct - crimson tempest
golden basalt
you wanna fok
kind talon
yes
golden basalt
a lot?
kind talon
yes
jaunty steeple
fok off
balmy condor
so what you wanna do, if youre gonna play assass, is garret 1 garret 2 garret 3
garret 1 garret 2 garret 3, shiv, vendetta, then you're gonna vanish and reapply garrets to all your targets, shiv, then you hit exsanguinate yeh? shiv, and then fok fok shiv BOOP FOKING 40k WHAT THE FUCK
drifting cloud
golden basalt
and once youve figured out how to hit 0% crit we'll be unstoppable!
kind talon
garret 1 garret 2 garret 3, shiv, vendetta, then you're gonna vanish and reapply...
ok so what youre gonna wanna do is shiv 1, shiv 2, shiv 3, vendetta, exsanguinate, then youre gonna wanna vanish and apply garrets, shiv, and then fok fok shiv
FUCKING 4K DUDE WHAT THE FUCK
balmy condor
and once youve figured out how to hit 0% crit we'll be unstoppable!<:RHlove:8769...
I started sawing off one of my characters arms to try and lower the crit
golden basalt
ok so what youre gonna wanna do is shiv 1, shiv 2, shiv 3, vendetta, exsanguinat...
this is so big brain, why have i never shived twice?
viscid spear
takes 2 minutes at the start of the pull to even get the opener out
kind talon
this is so big brain, why have i never shived twice?
well you actually want to shiv thrice
dawn ivy
imagine not having 100% shiv uptime
faint harness
Surprised he made the 2p 100% crit
marble hemlock
viscid spear
If you Shiv four or more times, consult a Healer.
balmy condor
http://puu.sh/Ivpxw/15a82ce9a7.jpg
we're shadowdust gamers now boys
the double shiv dream
golden basalt
http://puu.sh/Ivpxw/15a82ce9a7.jpg
plz fix so 3rd slide is "crit is dead, vers/mast next tier"
kind talon
wowowowow
obtuse robin
kind talon
@balmy condor but pvp tho PauseChamp
balmy condor
the relic of the progenetor first ones cipher of the forbidden crypto currency language
is showing me
the true path
viscid spear
I can just imagine my conversation with my guild.
"I need to set the FoK up"
kind talon
mfd rupture vanish garret venedetear exasnatuing
mental sand
So
kind talon
I can just imagine my conversation with my guild.
"I need to set the FoK up"
"im fokking"
mental sand
question, what does the sin community think of the set
balmy condor
its fine
viscid spear
"im fokking"
"I'm finna FoK these mobs"
mental sand
as a random outsider just curious
golden basalt
personally I like the design
balmy condor
the burst is good
golden basalt
on pull feels reeeaaaally good
balmy condor
no I don't think I will
kind talon
IMAGINE IT WHISPYR
golden basalt
shit he did you bad
balmy condor
kyrian simps are DEAD
kind talon
KINDRED AFFINITY
balmy condor
we don't need the CRIT
kind talon
PI LUST
balmy condor
we are haste GAMERS
marble hemlock
@balmy condor Is it a DPS loss to roll crit tea as Venthyr in 9.2?
kind talon
kyrian simps are DEAD
pi is haste....
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> Is it a DPS loss to roll crit tea as Venthyr in 9.2?
we're playing draven
golden basalt
we are haste GAMERS
no cause haste is devalued from p4, we play VerS
hollow river
NF simps are bis
viscid spear
With all this FoKing we'll be doing in 9.2, we're all going to be registered sex offenders.
hollow river
For KA
balmy condor
pi is haste....
kyrian on venth is crit
kind talon
kyrian on venth is crit
my man power infusion is not a druid spell
balmy condor
I'm aware
kind talon
balmy condor
no we won't
marble hemlock
even more reason to go nightfae
marble hemlock
you get KA haste and mastery from niya
golden basalt
DEAPTSPIK stonks
balmy condor
for the sbs crit on shiv
kind talon
so much dsamage
golden basalt
theres a lot of adds from the testing ive done
balmy condor
cursed sentence
golden basalt
sbs seems broken
kind talon
for the sbs crit on shiv
they speicifcially made sbs not work
with the 2pc or the 4pc
they love necro lord
balmy condor
they speicifcially made sbs not work
that's a bug buddy
iron orchid
cries in deathspike
marble hemlock
What about Doomblade?
balmy condor
What about Doomblade? <:Kekw:626411240012644403>
doomblade 100% crit now I guess
iron orchid
kind talon
@iron orchid why u so cute man
arctic hare
We've got AOE!!!!!!!
balmy condor
probably yeah
kind talon
CT SPAMMERS RISE UP
balmy condor
don't see why it wouldn't
golden basalt
pretty sure the game recognize the initial hit as part of the bleed dmg no?
marble hemlock
don't see why it wouldn't
cuz it doesnt work with zoldyck :>
balmy condor
whispyr what target count do i spam ct
from my last sims, 36 or 37 i think
crystal lark
4p + crimson tempest 
kind talon
from my last sims, 36 or 37 i think
ZAMN!
ill just need to ask my tank to pull more in ardenweald
kind talon
its possible, lets go to DoS and test it now
okay, please get johnny salami to tank for us
marble hemlock
there, updated it to reflect our new stat priority for 9.2
dawn ivy
i legitimately dont think we can use CT ST
only way i could upkeep all three bleeds in opener was by never pressing envenom
marble hemlock
fok for st next
golden basalt
unbind envenom from action bar
kind talon
no envenimre
marble hemlock
golden basalt
Sel is on a roll
kind talon
sheeeeeesh
marble hemlock
i mean
those were old memes
from legion ye
when we did actually use fok for st for a bit
kind talon
zamn!
marble hemlock
cuz of a bug
kind talon
what was the bug
marble hemlock
well
nightstalker bonusdmg worked on deadly poison if you applied the poison from stealth
and it would keep the bonus until it dropped off
balmy condor
<@!167090536602140682> if we are playing ct in st i might play this spec
Everything in my power to make that not happen
kind talon
Everything in my power to make that not happen
what the fuck
marble hemlock
combined with an artifact trait that made you deal a percentage of your deadly poison damage value instantly when you hit a target with DP on it with fok
made it so fokking on st was a real thing
for like 3 weeks
golden basalt
amazing
marble hemlock
weirdly enough, the bug existed for almost half a year, but no one noticed for a loooong time
golden basalt
"fun detected"
gusty mirage
@slow marsh 
golden basalt
marble hemlock
it was utterly degenerate
slow marsh
<@!409626135408803841> <a:Awkward:835706279703871498>
I see no lie
marble hemlock
and some of the best memes weve had on this server came from it
so im not too mad
golden basalt
I see no lie
is this a callout on oxi for having 700 rio score
slow marsh
is this a callout on oxi for having 700 rio score
You mean 7000
viscid spear
Need more zeroes
cerulean nest
how do we feel about the tier set changes?
balmy condor
how do we feel about the tier set changes?
Good
cerulean nest
or a friendly neutrality
balmy condor
Helps out the 5 sin rogues that still do m+
slow marsh
cerulean nest
I just care about raid viability lol
marble hemlock
But I knew smth snarky was coming
gusty mirage
Helps out the 5 sin rogues that still do m+
balmy condor
I just care about raid viability lol
Does nothing for that
cerulean nest
sick
slow marsh
It literally did nothing
marble hemlock
Well, its like what
slow marsh
We already were getting close to 100% crit bleeds in shiv
balmy condor
Yeh
marble hemlock
So its almost twice as good as before
balmy condor
It’s better
marble hemlock
cerulean nest
but if that "bug" wasnt really a bug then isnt that good news?
marble hemlock
what if i echoing reprimand 7cp nightstalker rupture into haste iqd exsanguinate+vendetta and then shiv that rupture...
cerulean nest
fun/strong snapshotting
spice spire
Helps out the 5 sin rogues that still do m+
AYO?
golden basalt
what if i echoing reprimand 7cp nightstalker rupture into haste iqd exsanguinate...
no FoK, cant be good
balmy condor
but if that "bug" wasnt really a bug then isnt that good news?
It says in the post that it’s a bug but he wants feedback on it
slow marsh
Do we give the real answer or the answer they want to hear
golden basalt
which one is which
slow marsh
Idk anymore
golden basalt
cerulean nest
kinda cool that they're obviously listening and being communicative
good comment on it @slow marsh , if a little confrontational lol
slow marsh
i tried to be firm but still forgiving
slow marsh
I mean i'm treating it like someone who's oblivious but trying to be nice without being condescending
It's hard for me ok
cerulean nest
you did fine. pushing the point about trying not to force the idea of shiv having to buff some stat was important
slow marsh
I"m trying to convey that while I appreciate the communication, they still don't get it
I know devs sometimes get stuck on their idea so i made sure to include that
If they are stuck on the idea at least give a good option for it
cerulean nest
I'm just not sure how he landed on the concept of it now properly "being in line damage wise" with other specs
didnt fully make sense
or however he phrased it
slow marsh
because we aren't complaining about the 4p
most of the feedback was on the 2p not the 4p so they assume it's in a good spot
cerulean nest
well hopefully we get our act together and make it loud and clear
slow marsh
I think after this blunder they'll figure it out
we got attention for cleave so that's nice at least
hollow river
We’re gonna wind up holding shiv for adds
😈
If they live long enough to set up bleeds on
And maybe holding shiv for vendetta always
I’d assume
crystal lark
crimson tempest + 4p on opener is actually the worst feeling ever jesus
crystal lark
then you drop snd which is great 🙃
fleet whale
So with updated 2 piece bonus, exsang possible comeback?
slow marsh
no
i think it would take a lot more than that for exsang to be "good" let alone an option
i'm sure it'll be good in pvp tho
fleet whale
yeah i feel like it could give some great burst
but alac is likely just too good to pass up in raid/M+
slow marsh
yeah it is
plus we're already struggling with overcap during vendetta and i think exsang would expand on that problem
fleet whale
but if shrouded suffocation returned
maybe exsang would make a comeback with that tier set, lol
slow marsh
yeah maybe who knows. something like that could def shake things up
oak sky
Low crit build inc
fleet whale
stack verse and mast
oak sky
Haste>mastery>=crit>vers
hollow river
Use vendetta during lust opener
Then exsang right at the end to snapshot the haste
Plus Duskwalkers and snapshotting flagellation haste with exsang too
oak sky
I think we just need a boring ass damage increase on shiv if they want our bleeds to do more damage
hollow river
Omg
oak sky
Instead of a crit buff
solid mica
how do we avoid taking SO much melee damage in mage tower?
hollow river
Kidney Shot the enraged guy
solid mica
jarl?
hollow river
And kite him until he loses enrage
solid mica
we can't shiv it right?
oak sky
Did details tell you you were taking melee damage?
hollow river
we can't shiv it right?
Nope
hollow river
Or is that the axes
solid mica
ill try it out
glass tulip
you really hate to see it 
@slow marsh
solid mica
i wish you didn't lose durability for this
slow marsh
you really hate to see it <:pepehands:757566347558387803> <@!409626135408803841>
whack
although that trink is actually pretty nice if you play venth obedience
near bane
do you think tryin the Assa challenge as level 52 is actually harder?
coral aspen
when is 9.2 out?
strange python
march?
stray mural
slow marsh
yes
full tendon
Court ring is good?
obtuse robin
yes
thorny pond
It is competitive since it is good stats too
full tendon
Rad
kind talon
Better than all/most 252 rings?
It is bis yes
full tendon
Then woohoo
gusty mirage
!pb
prisma monolithBOT
Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss
cosmic sandal
I killed both dudes and the chick casted wings and killed me man im so sad
sand sigil
if the vendetta "bug" is actually intended, the new 2 set would be kinda sick wouldnt it?
at least way better than before anyways
slow marsh
na
nocturne geode
the 2 set by itself is a step in the right direction
fathom flax
Happy Sunday to everyone here especially the dev that buffed tier set
grand ridge
that blue post was great
slow marsh
it comes out to like a 1-2% boost
sand sigil
i mean im not talking about a 5 min sim im just talking like giving sin a bit of a niche
slow marsh
it gives it cleave which is nice but it doesn't solve the problem that bleeds dont do enough damage
sand sigil
like if u can send ~20k dps for 20s straight on command ST its interesting
sand sigil
idk i was hitting the dummies doing like 17k before
i mean it was only a few tries so not that long
maybe just got good rng idk
slow marsh
when we gget obed and pair that it'll be nice
like sin will have its niche still and it'll be fine
slow marsh
it's just that the 2p still needs work is all. this isn't really the right way to go about it
slim jay
the fucking runeseer says his ancestor line then doesnt cast the spell and keeps following me around only to actually cast the spell and then wipe me
slow marsh
It would be better if they swapped mastery instead of crit. Then we'd be pumping
oak sky
Or just a flat damage increase or sum
slow marsh
i just threw out the mastery thing on my post since it seems they are stuck on the shiv gives stats idea
and mastery % would technically be a flat dam increase to bleeds and poisons which would be in line with their concept
oak sky
Tbh
thorny pond
100% crit is good. It has good implications with other tier 30 talents potentially. Mastery from it could be good
thorny pond
Lol
oak sky
They could just make the shiv debuff apply to bleeds and then make all bleeds do 100% crit
slow marsh
Like sure the 100% crit change isn't bad. But it's not as big of a boost as people are initially thinking
oak sky
Then we get some st
slow marsh
yeah
thorny pond
We already have high crit
oak sky
And the aoe thing they added
slow marsh
That's the problem is we already have high crit
thorny pond
35 to 100 isn’t changing the bait
slow marsh
So a big chunk of the 2p is getting wasted
thorny pond
35% crit for most of us would nearly be 100% crit on bleeds
slow marsh
and we can't not have crit because then we will have like 15-20 flag stacks instead of 30 and that would just mess everything up
thorny pond
Crit over 100% should just baseline increase the damage of it
kind talon
Crit over 100% should just baseline increase the damage of it
Zamn!
thorny pond
It wouldn’t change much
dry void
make it give 100% mastery and not crit
thorny pond
But wouldn’t punish us for still grabbing our best Resource generating stat
slow marsh
it would actually make it significantly better
slow marsh
Ofc it does
thorny pond
Rather get vers
slow marsh
we get vers from obed already
grand ridge
vers is a boring stat
spice spire
I also feel this channel has a hard on for mastery
The oshosi effect
It’s been a tier without
thorny pond
Until they give it some type of agonizing treatment, mastery just won’t be great
spice spire
And he still has shooters
slow marsh
it wont be great you're right but shiv giving +50% mastery is better than shiv giving +100% crit chance for bleeds
slow marsh
I do too but we gotta play their game right
thorny pond
Mastery and vers do nothing rotation wise unlike haste and crit
kind talon
But mastery is cool
oak sky
Vers is just a damage amp
kind talon
Because assassination rogue is a bleed and poison spec and it leans into that idea
oak sky
Just make it amp the damage
thorny pond
But vers affects all our damage
kind talon
I think it’s cool
thorny pond
Not just bleeds and poisons
thorny pond
By flavor text only
thorny pond
Leaning into it would be changing it to increases tick rate
oak sky
If it gave us a flat bleed damage increase
oak sky
Yeah of course its boring
oak sky
But if this is their direction its gonna be boring
thorny pond
Ideally it would affect CP generation in some way akin to Crit
kind talon
I mean yeah mastery is a boring stat but I like it more than vers just wish it was impactful or worth it at all
thorny pond
Ala ShT but for every bleed out you have a % chance to gain additional CP
In that case mastery would be devalued in AoE
But gain value in ST and wean us off vigor by mid .1 tier
arctic hare
Helps out the 5 sin rogues that still do m+
Do I count as one of the 5 lol
arctic hare
trueeeee
grand ridge
make it give more % per point
thorny pond
Again, it still will be a “boring” stat with flavor. That just nudges the spec back towards its natural poison state
strange python
i wouldn't mind firing off some 40k envenoms with doomblade
balmy condor
Again, it still will be a “boring” stat with flavor. That just nudges the spec b...
Small steps
strange python
5% per bleed yeah - so like rupture, garrote, mutilate bleed, and bone spike - so 20%
thorny pond
Yea, but that doesn’t fix the underlying issue of the spec relying on borrowed power
thorny pond
<:yejoice:591717432087806000>
I miss legion
strange python
I just said i wouldn't mind firing off 40k envenoms lol
flint pond
do you always use BS procs even it'll cap you on energy?
thorny pond
do you always use BS procs even it'll cap you on energy?
Seems like a rare case bc BS procs from a 55 energy expend
flint pond
yeah, mainly talking about pull with BL
thorny pond
Follow finisher rules but you’d expend it first
kind talon
But yeah you always use it
Instead of mutilate
Even during an MA window
You will consume the proc
Before you mutilate
thorny pond
!mut
prisma monolithBOT
Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.
kind talon
flint pond
cool ty
balmy condor
Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The...
How can this be true if pikaboo used ambush on mage tower
arctic hare
really?
arctic hare
Hmm, interesting
balmy condor
And a bunch of weird stuff
gusty mirage
tbf pika's not the greatest at any pve content 
balmy condor
Pvp brain
arctic hare
Did it work?
balmy condor
Of course it worked
arctic hare
Thats nice