assassination

[azure carbon]

Yeah. If you get mechanics down well, have good gear, do damage relative to your role, and are flexible... why not?

It's a fair trade for a guild; you get alt runs and to see mythic content, they have a 33% chance of one of their raiders can't go on a given night that they can still raid. It's win win.

[viscid schooner]

Yeah thats true and the 2 weeks i cant i can pug it

And when i can raid with them i can go with them

[azure carbon]

Yes. Although like I said, you likely won't get a guaranteed spot on whatever night you're there. But on re-clears and when guys post out, absolutely.

[thin locust]

Not many guilds are interested in someone who isn't 10/10 though. I've been trying to get from pugs into a proper guild for a month.

[spice spire]

Unsure if this has been answered as net is being weird rn, but yes it is. AA bonus not implemented in sims

[azure carbon]

You may need to lower your standards and work your way up. Happens.

[thorny pond]

The best way to get into CE guilds if you've never gotten there is to get into a mythic progression guild - the more progressed the better. Either you ride it out to CE with them or you get experience and logs

[tacit pilot]

anyone else getting over jarl belbrand hitting u with evasion up in the mage tower ?

[thorny pond]

kite

take to a corner and stun

step back to others

[tacit pilot]

harder in later phases with circles to run over and valks to dodge

i am finding evasion working and then its not

[thorny pond]

There shouldn't be any points where that is the case and Sig is also not blinded

[tacit pilot]

nope just did it then

had besrk and valks at the same time its random

then had to blind

[strange python]

Sin tower feels...rough

Idk, eating runs+avoiding berserking feels obnoxious

Runes

[strange python]

Plenty of CE guilds will take players below 10/10, but they'll generally want you to parse 80% or higher on at least the first 6. Gotta do baby steps

[thorny pond]

It's not random. It is scripted for ability timings

[strange python]

There's actually like, no court of stars keys

I don't get it

[tacit pilot]

but in hind sight should evasion stop jarl velbrands melee attacks anyway?

[thorny pond]

Sometimes

[tacit pilot]

whats the point of having 100% in its tool tip then

[balmy condor]

Evasion hasn’t failed me once

Every time it did, it was my fault

[tacit pilot]

he keeps hitting me through evasion when he is enraged caused my 15% wipe

[thorny pond]

have to face him

[balmy condor]

Is this the 6:30 minute enrage?

Cause that one you might not be able to evasion

[tacit pilot]

not sure

sitting roughly at 1k dps atm

[thorny pond]

that yea maybe that's 630

have to kite out and KS

[clever kindle]

would not recommend taking shots before mage tower

that is all

[drowsy zodiac]

Guys its CoS ring worth farming?

Like its a dos increase? Or its pretty much nerfed to dust

Dps*

[thorny pond]

It’s good

[ebon notch]

it simmed like 120dps decrease for me lmao

only good thing is the votw trinket

[deft vault]

if i have legendary dagger what would be ebst gem/enchant for those in mage towers?

[tacit pilot]

got to 5 mins 52 seconds and felt like the enrage timer hit u lads sure its 6,30

[versed mica]

I heard CoS ring autoattack bonus ain't simming correctly

[solid mica]

whats the mfd optimization again? didn't see it in faq or pin

for venth

[tacit pilot]

done thank fuck for that 48 attempts lol

@thorny pond i say it would of been because i wasnt facing him when i had evasion on while i was trying to do runes? but seem not fail when i tried to face him all times

[slow marsh]

Use it in flag and on cd

[solid mica]

k

[strange python]

Kinda crazy I can't find cos groups at 255 and 2500

Just no one doing cos

[thorny pond]

Yea you aren’t ultra instinct goku. Gotta face for evas

[balmy condor]

Evasion should just be attack immunity

Dodge outdated

[fading wigeon]

^ please make it happen

[clever kindle]

bring back dodge from agility

[thorny pond]

So physical cloak?

[clever kindle]

cloak actually makes spells miss

dodging spells

[thorny pond]

Neo from the matrix

Evasion is more John Wick-esque

[clever kindle]

didn't cloak not used to be guaranteed

There was a chance for stuff to hit you still right

I forget

Ah yes it was 90%

Grats

[tawdry sky]

Is there a place I can look to see rotation for assass?

[thorny pond]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[thorny pond]

#assassination-faq

[tawdry sky]

THanks!

[dark token]

Just combine evasion + cloak into a 1 minute CD of total immunity to all spells and attacks

[balmy condor]

No

[next solar]

me and some guidlies just did 5 vaults and got 3 countermeasures. there goes all of the rng

[dark token]

I would be interested in like a class with a 15-30 second total immunity like that

But it only lasts half a second

And doesn't cleanse existing debuffs

But if used properly you could dodge so much shit

[balmy condor]

How’d you pick your name

[regal cape]

Holy hell that took me wayyyy longer than I expected

washed up

[vital haven]

but you did it

and thats all that matters

gz

[regal cape]

❤️

[balmy condor]

Gz

[kind talon]

@regal cape let’s fucking goooooooooooooo big grats BRO

[thorny pond]

Gratz bud

[red plaza]

Gratz! That tabard tho….

[regal cape]

:^) I like the tabard but it doesn't go with the sets I like

[thorny pond]

there are good greensets

[regal cape]

yee

[thorny pond]

engineering goggles is a good place to start

but #transmog can help

[regal cape]

Ill swap out tabard, and daggers later. FIrst I eat after that finish. Thanks though, all ya.

[strange python]

Why no rogue CEs for community council

[balmy condor]

We have skip

[strange python]

Who?

[balmy condor]

well

“We”

I don’t claim him

Outlaw player

[jaunty steeple]

wait is he actually on?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[jaunty steeple]

[strange python]

I just want people on council to yell "weapon tokens" at blizzard every day.

[oak sky]

Wqit

Skip actually got in

[balmy condor]

Yes

[thorny pond]

SKIIIIIP

[oak sky]

I claim skip as a zoomer

Cant wait for the world to see skip takes

👏

[slow marsh]

Yo playing sylv blind is kinda wild

[nocturne geode]

anyone know if there are conduit drops in the next patch

like is there ilvl going up or 252 where we finally ignore them

[oak sky]

Pretty sure theres gonna be 1 more tier of conduits

[stable spoke]

In his interview with The Starting Zone, Morgan Day mentioned they'll be one more rank of conduits

[grand ridge]

woo i did the thing

[nocturne geode]

thanks

[nocturne geode]

thanks

[balmy condor]

Gz

[grand ridge]

ty

[fleet anchor]

They changed how it worked on PTR. Really nobody who has gotten it has bothered doing any log testing to see how exactly it works.

I don't personally have one so can't really test

[timid cloud]

I guess we'll see as more people get it.

Along with Faulty to see if that's worth as well.

I'll be picking both up though just to be safe.

[nocturne geode]

the dh and my guild got one before our raid last night

at 236 it was generally top 3 damage for him

more damage than deathsweep

so id say for us itd prob be pretty insane for sure

@timid cloud

[balmy condor]

Saw a couple logs where it was seeming to just add 36 to each melee hit

Dunno

I haven’t dug into it much either

[nocturne geode]

@balmy condor thats what it does

i got one

[balmy condor]

Yes thank you

[nocturne geode]

yea so you can take each melee hit and add 36

[fleet anchor]

Yeah I mean this wouldn't surprise me, I just haven't really seen controlled confirmation. Don't know if it's affected by any pre-or-post AA multipliers or whatever, etc.

Just kinda annoying without the ability to test myself

[cerulean nest]

so youre saying we dont need to be farming it necessarily?

[slow marsh]

That's weird.

[balmy condor]

No you should

It’s good

[cerulean nest]

ugh

[balmy condor]

Is it?

[slow marsh]

Yeah it's like it adds 36 damage to each auto idk

[nocturne geode]

it does and it really adds up pending how much haste you have

its really huge for me atm messing around w NF/dreamweaver

AA damage beat winds in raid last night and my winds was doing pretty good too

#cringe haha

@slow marsh

[balmy condor]

Not hard for melee to be higher on nightfae

When the entire covenant doesn’t do damage

[drifting cloud]

[nocturne geode]

i mean atm its not that far off

atleast till 9.2

so

theres that

[slow marsh]

300+ in Sims is kinda far tho

[nocturne geode]

nbot for my sims

[slow marsh]

It also loses harder in cleave iirc

[nocturne geode]

all 3 within 50-100 dps

[slow marsh]

Sim input is wrong then probs

[nocturne geode]

ill link one sec

to you in dms

[balmy condor]

[slow marsh]

Fo sho. If anyone knows that nf is bad it's me bro trust

Whispyr yelled at me cuz I was messing around with NF Sims

[balmy condor]

Tech boutta inject copium into all the cursed feelcrafters

[nocturne geode]

🙂

just gotta fin them or rerun them rq

find*

[slow marsh]

Cuz if it's within 100 then soulshape is worth imo. But it's not

[viscid schooner]

Guys im an idiot i know, but! Dashing scoundrel or obedience? Im using obedience right now but what is better for raiding? Because i see alot of DS leggos everywhere on top guild rogues

[balmy condor]

Dashing usually better

[viscid schooner]

Okay thanks

[latent stream]

Dashing is also more simple to use

[viscid schooner]

Because im often out of energy or i do something wrong

Thats true aledori

[balmy condor]

That’s how the spec works

[latent stream]

I would pick up obediance to tho eventually, if ur playing dungeons as assa its really nice to have for burst

[viscid schooner]

Yeah its easy yo grind soul cilinder as a rogue so ill keep both

[slow marsh]

Obed also better for KT / sylv imo

Depending on your groups timings

[latent stream]

yes

since ur holding everything for inside (if you're going insdide) you might as well play obediance for the extra burst

[viscid schooner]

My build is good for raiding?

[latent stream]

on kT

[spark scaffold]

Obed mfd allows you to pop flag on pull and still have it when going inside

Thats pretty big

[latent stream]

I cant ./

they kill it toofast

[spark scaffold]

We always wait for 1 mins since it doesn't cast Blizzard before anyway

I guess depends on group

[latent stream]

yep

[spark scaffold]

If you're not getting any extra flags just don't play obe

[balmy condor]

Yeh that’s fine

[viscid schooner]

Thanks for checking

[balmy condor]

Pleasure

[viscid schooner]

Farming rep for korthia now to buy the thingie to add sockets to rings etc

Man i hate that area its boring

[latent stream]

Note that Dashing is only really good if you got the winds of winter set and are stacking crit

[viscid schooner]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/frydshrimp

This is me now

Now sub but i play sin more

[latent stream]

Wait I know your guild

yeah, for assa you would want even more crit and less versa, turn that into haste instead

But ofcourse if you sim yourself that will become obvious

[nocturne geode]

@balmy condor i gave ice my sim stuff to mess with showed him my proof

❤️

hopefully some degen comes of it

🙂

[balmy condor]

There is nothing I want less

[spice spire]

ice

TO/MA Copium addict ice blades

[balmy condor]

Fabled night fae apologist iceblade

The same

[viscid schooner]

I just joined

[nocturne geode]

for some reason necro/venth/and nf all sim really really close for me

so i gave him my sims to look into

i mean tbf messing around w night fae on sylv so fae ive gotten some sick burst from it lol bursted like 22-26k on some pulls

[balmy condor]

Yeh I guess if you have to hold dps anyway

Fae is great

[nocturne geode]

all dat haste

[latent stream]

you're missing that crit from venthyr tho

[nocturne geode]

i have 43% base

[balmy condor]

Theo tea based

[slow marsh]

I have the results

[nocturne geode]

yay!

copium time

[slow marsh]

Would you like me to post them here or dm first

[balmy condor]

This some Maury show type shit

[nocturne geode]

idm man just was wierd for me

[slow marsh]

Brace yourself

[balmy condor]

You are not the father

[nocturne geode]

haha\

[latent stream]

blindfold ready

[nocturne geode]

your the sim guru iceblades hopefully i was just doing something wrong but idk

kinda want the copium

[balmy condor]

Sim guru iceblade as

[slow marsh]

It broke I had to redo

[balmy condor]

I’m ready

Oh

[nocturne geode]

xD

[drifting cloud]

[balmy condor]

Guru messing up his shakras

Happens

[slow marsh]

[balmy condor]

Be one with the sim

[slow marsh]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rCgxgFdoKz8RXQphoYN8LL

[balmy condor]

And it will be one with you

Wow fae is making money moves

[slow marsh]

It's only -350

[drifting cloud]

why even bother selecting bs/ds

[balmy condor]

I won’t kill you today, you’re safe for another day

[drifting cloud]

waste of iterations

[slow marsh]

I put ep/mfd in there too

Sometimes people want to know idk

[nocturne geode]

why was my sim showing different did i select something wrong?

[drifting cloud]

he plays nf he doesnt want to know

[nocturne geode]

or did you add something

[drifting cloud]

I checked and freaking kyrian has same amount of parses as nf in 9.1.5

that should tell you everything

[slow marsh]

You can look at it. Just swapped shoulders to KT and put 252 lashing instead of 145

Also ep/mfd is huge for pretty much everyone

Even Necro wants it

[latent stream]

By the way, 36 kills on Sylv in total cross diffculties and 1 kinfe so far, am I unlucky or is this normal have you found

at least its 259

[balmy condor]

I think average is 1 in 15 or something

[latent stream]

damn

we've stacked 3 rogues for weeks on sylv to try to get our last rogue at least one dagger for next tier without any luck

[nocturne geode]

i havent even seen 1 for myself

[solid mica]

is heart of azeroth of credentials better for neck for tower?

[nocturne geode]

kill normal and heroic every week since week 1

nothing

[latent stream]

damn

Meanwhile one of our 3 rogues has gotten 4 259s in the vault

so noone of them were tradeable

[copper sundial]

aint rng fun

[latent stream]

for sure

[cerulean nest]

should i have legion leggo daggers equipped for timewalking

or nah

[latent stream]

doesnt scale up

if you're talking about the actually legendary daggers

Golad and Tiriosh

[cerulean nest]

oh i meant artifact weapons

[latent stream]

no since you cant enchant them

right

[atomic saddle]

Is there ANY advanced strategy for gearing if you want to raid on PTR with a character, that has bad ilvl/conduits on live?

[umbral rapids]

should be scaled up to 250 no?

[atomic saddle]

conduits as well?

[umbral rapids]

i'm not sure

but shouldn't really matter you're not there to parse or whatever

[balmy condor]

Yeah ptr scales you

If you do raid testing

[atomic saddle]

yes I know, but I want to test different spec on an even powerlevel, if that makes sense. Can anyone confirm if conduits get scaled up, as well?

[sand canopy]

should we make duskwalkers on chest for 9.2 prep? Since it will have more stat than the ring

[lusty surge]

so uh

as i was celebrating i ran into a pool and died during the rp

after beating the challenge

how do i know if that counted

i had to release

[atomic saddle]

did you get the transmog set and achievement?

if not, you didnt make it

[lusty surge]

i already got it for sub

[atomic saddle]

oh

[lusty surge]

so im not sure how i can tell

[atomic saddle]

no clue

[lusty surge]

well i did it once i can do it again

[cerulean nest]

do shard bonuses and leggos and stuff work in m+ legion

[spark scaffold]

They do

They don't work in mage tower, they work in m+

[charred wraith]

Misread mb

[cerulean nest]

woo

got the ring third run

so sims are scuffed for it right?

[spark scaffold]

Whispyr basicly said take your sim and add about 100 dps to it

On the ring

[slow marsh]

No wait

[spark scaffold]

So yeah

[lusty surge]

when you beat the sin challenge

[spark scaffold]

The simms don't take the extra auto dmg into account

[lusty surge]

does it just leave you there lol

in combat

the rp played and now im just like chillin

[slow marsh]

We could end up crafting dusk on ring depending on what tier stats end up being

[lusty surge]

anyone know?

i feel like if i leave its gonna fail

[fleet anchor]

Yes

[slow marsh]

Yes you have to leave

[fleet anchor]

You just have to leave the scenario

[lusty surge]

lol so weird

[fleet anchor]

It's kinda anti-climactic lol

[lusty surge]

thanks, since this is my 2nd one on rogue theres absolutely no indication that its done done

no achieve or anything. just feels bugged.

[fleet anchor]

yeah there's no spec specific achievements for some reason

[lusty surge]

also did the mobs just stand around randomly for anyone else

sigryn and jarl both just hung out for large periods of time not doing anything

[glass tulip]

yep

[lusty surge]

so weird

wonder if its that way on other specs for this fight?

[charred salmon]

Think it has to do with us interupting them and pushing them off the cycle of spells

Im like 2% off killing it

So annoying

Might need to try without letting sigryn standing in blind the whole duration

[balmy condor]

Yeah definitely need to break it

[lusty surge]

i just kited around forever foking and cting

wasnt really too tough

[cerulean nest]

lol paladin traded me the ring, then 5 mins later whispered me that i owed him 500k gold

[balmy condor]

Fok on 3 target?

[atomic saddle]

Do items on PTR also get scaled down to raid level, when people looted Vaults with 272 weapons earlier?

[lusty surge]

yea didnt seem to particularly matter

wasnt much of a dps race

was just making sure i survived outside of melee range

even on the shields i could basically just break through with bleeds haha

[balmy condor]

Yes

Raid testing forces you to a certain ilvl

[cerulean nest]

wow the ring is already better even without adding the extra 100 onto it

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o1mDh2XwYRJhmFJUMSDwsH

[charred salmon]

Do i break all of them @balmy condor saw u kept her blinded

[balmy condor]

I kept her blinded on the 2 casts where she bugs out

Cause if I break those early, idk if she’s gonna cast

Otherwise I would want to bring her back in asap

[charred salmon]

Ok i need to try

[lusty surge]

i broke them all instantly

[charred salmon]

Btw it feels harder than how it was in legion

[lusty surge]

and it was fine, didnt get any too quick casts

xylem felt much harder to me

this one felt easier due to the bugginess

having one of them stop doing stuff for 5 seconds gives a lot of breathing room

compared to legion*

[arctic walrus]

Well legion also had that bug

🤨

[sand totem]

What's up with the end of jarls life where they keep empowering, is that just a dps check??? I can get through 2 sheilds before I cant Get through it while dodging wave and KSing Jarl

[balmy condor]

Enrage

Gotta have him dead before that happens

[sand totem]

Tragic

Guess i'll buy drums loool

Also any tips on axes. Other than dont get hit 5head lol

idk if there's a pattern im not seeing

[balmy condor]

Keep him away or kidney the cast when he does it

[floral shoal]

If I only do Legion m+ this week will the vault give Legion items?

[balmy condor]

No

[versed mica]

in the mage tower guide it says to use subterfuge- makes me wonder, can you vanish and not have it reset?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[gloomy knoll]

every day is another day where we could have shrouded suffocation 2 pc

Rnjesus give us the juice

[oak sky]

can they just make it baseline in 10.0 and we get something more unique as a tier

i didnt even play the old shit

but i dont want old shit

in my new shit

thats ong

[gloomy knoll]

I want a super juiced up rupture

[oak sky]

time for multi dot

[gloomy knoll]

With like an aoe exsanguinate

[oak sky]

[gloomy knoll]

Or something like that

Would be fun

[oak sky]

aoe exsang needs to be a talent

[gloomy knoll]

Yea honestly it’d be hella dope

Or like some way to juice up bleeds at least

[oak sky]

make our m+ some psycho shit

@balmy condor do you think its important to use consumables and lust and shit for mage tower

[balmy condor]

It’s helpful yea

I didn’t lust on my kill but I used a pot

[oak sky]

gotcha

[wild beacon]

i am using literally everything i can haha, just depends how much help you need. my skill level isn't amazing

[oak sky]

i put some time in earlier

havent quite gotten it done yet

i got about 4 minutes in

[sand totem]

I just beat the soft enrage and then died to the hard enrage

[strange python]

yeah they auto-attack dmg should just be nerfed. It shouldnt be what kills you neither axe shadow bolt

Only failing the special ailities and valkyr should or not soaking runes

[oak sky]

the axe is like the only thing that kills you

speaking from experience

LOL

so just dont be bad like me

[strange python]

shadow bolt: 7,2k dmg same as axe last fight

[oak sky]

you can kick shadowbolt and cloak it

[strange python]

cloak shadowbolt sure dude

[oak sky]

its an option

not often a good one

but an option

you can basically kick it on cd though

should reduce damage a lot

[strange python]

it shouldnt be what kills you period. These are normal abilities. I done this shit before and its just different now

[oak sky]

a lot of it is like a survivability test

[balmy condor]

It’s different now because you can’t take a ridiculous shield and infinite healing into it

[strange python]

and the gems you want in old gear are like 25k here

[balmy condor]

Then don’t use them

[oak sky]

its taking me a while to get acclimated because i havent done it before but i'm very confident i could clear it tomorrow if i try

i just don't have enough time today

[strange python]

its doable for sure

[charred salmon]

I will prob get it today

i mean i keep getting 2% wipes and that was with Sigryn in full blind so

[golden basalt]

sitting with 14% leech its definetly possible to just face tank them, the axes are mowing me down though

[spark scaffold]

Orbs help a lot with healing, just gotta think about when you want to take them rather than on spawn

Also if you really think you're going to die its not end of the world to just blind Sigryn and keep her blinded until her cast

Maybe its a bug but for me she still tried to cast her stuff in blind and it went on CD

I could just attack her freely after

[strange python]

almost got them down. Now go to work >.>

[golden basalt]

i think im a bit short in the dps department

keep wiping around 2% of jarls hp

eventually i get fucked by hard enrage

as someone who never played legion the fight supposedly more or less over once the jarls dies no?

[normal mist]

I can't exactly remember but when he dies the fight gets a lot easier no doubt

Not having to deal with the axes, enrages, bladestorms is huge

I mean, this time around I haven't been able to even kill him so I'm just a bad player xD

[fading mason]

hey a quick question i iam getting kyrian lego empowered is it better to stay nadjia or switch to theotar to not get to much crit

[normal mist]

Kyrian lego Nadja?

Can you even use kyrian Lego as Venthyr?

[glass tulip]

I don't think so, that's the whole point of a covenant legendary

[normal mist]

[golden basalt]

RC with flag?1!11 Hidden tech?1

that would combo pretty well tbh

[normal mist]

I feel like we are being trolled

[golden basalt]

sub rogue goblin

think its pretty safe to say we are indeed being trolled

[subtle tundra]

probably meaning druid leggo

[golden basalt]

ey

actually bigbrain varas

[glass tulip]

ah I see, Kindred Affinity

yeah I don't think "too much crit" from an external is a thing you need to worry about

[golden basalt]

I want a theotar emote I can slam whenever someone asks nadija or theo

[glass tulip]

theotar =

imagine logging on early to roll tea buffs

[golden basalt]

fuck yea, most exciting thing of the day

did i get crit or did i get benched

[normal mist]

3% agiliDAD inc

[craggy ruin]

is theotar better then nadja?

ahahahahahah

[golden basalt]

sims equally, there are strong points for both but in the end its mainly preference

[craggy ruin]

i know i was kinda trolling

[golden basalt]

ah shit you got me fam

[fading mason]

sry i might have wrote it a bit wierd i mean the druid kyrian bond lego that empowerd crit for ventyr players

[normal mist]

Damn yellow guys

[golden basalt]

our fault really, Varas understood completely, its the sin brain that cant follow

[normal mist]

Trolling the red dudes

[craggy ruin]

i actually never simmed theotar because i don't know how to change the random tea buff on the simm

[golden basalt]

I never sim, imagine taking order from a bot

umbrella tea chad vs half naked sword girl

[glass tulip]

do an advanced sim and the input is in #subtlety-faq

[craggy ruin]

i am not a yellow guy 😦 i only played outlaw one week after i created the rogue so i am full commited to the red 😮

[glass tulip]

take off the role

#bot-spam ! outlaw with no space

[golden basalt]

one of us! one of us!

[fallen charm]

any broken trinkets from timewalking?

[fading mason]

the faulty countermeasure from vault seams to be quite good

[cobalt hemlock]

can you get legion stuff from vault

[glass tulip]

no

[raven granite]

Is Sigryn's enrage soothable?

[glass tulip]

I am going to assume no

If you mean the very end enrage

[raven granite]

yeah that. I'm doing 1k dps and always die when there's just two left

[glass tulip]

Just gotta get it before that

I only hit that timer once and I'm pretty confident you just have to win or die

[raven granite]

Hm...

[thorny pond]

Just optimize more bleed uptime

Try to get all three bled and CT rolling as often ass possible, minimum 2 with full dots

[raven granite]

Im using a gladiator's bagde of ferocity for stat pump and a titanic ocular gland. Any better trinkets instead of ocular I could use?

[cyan linden]

hi , is the cos trinket worth for m+?

[ruby notch]

Hi all, regarding the MT... when Jarl reaches 20% him and Sigryn enrage and do 500% dmg, attk speed they basically 1 shot me... i cannot find anything about this mechanic, is there an enrage timer ? fight was 6m38s

[quasi ledge]

There is an enrage, yes. If its not just Jarls raging mechanic though, then it's a lack of DPS

[pseudo hamlet]

Had a few(5-6) tries yesterday. Best try was like ~35%... but that was without ANY consumable and I also did reach the enrage.

[ruby notch]

k, i did 800 dps that try, lets see if i can squeeze out a bit more

[glass tulip]

5 minutes they will all empower at the same time, 6:30 enrage

[pseudo hamlet]

Thought that it could be possible to do it that way(~900DPS, no consumables, just avoiding things).

[glass tulip]

I used phial + 252 salvaged fusion amp but ocular is really good as long as you are keeping the buff

[versed mica]

How is theotar not half naked LOL

[quasi ledge]

Used Phial and Ocular on my kill after trying different trinkets the previous 5-6 pulls or so. On the wipes I had just before Jarl died I was on 1.2-1.3k DPS

[thorny pond]

Just faulty from VotW

[desert inlet]

Dragonspine Trophy from Gruul seemed good. Was +13% haste when it procced

[quasi ledge]

But I quickly bought some TW shit from AH before hand that wasn't overpriced to fuck, helps a lot tbh
Had 20% leech as well

[thorny pond]

Koji said it last night. Trinkets that are over budget do well. Like sack is competitive at 233 with 252s so it’s good

[raven granite]

thanks!

[primal elm]

any wa for mage tower?

[charred salmon]

https://wago.io/yfrouwAql

[frosty bridge]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO

#nonerfgang

all 3 specs but sin was by far the most fun

[fallen ginkgo]

any data / sims how good the ring and trinket from CoS are?

[frosty bridge]

Very likely to be an upgrade apparently, but the AA part doesn't work in sims yet iirc

[cosmic sandal]

What the heck am I doing wrong, I’ve got 21% leech but I feel like I’m taking so much damage. Am I to be using crippling and kiting the enrage? Atm I’m kidneying or evasion. Proper struggling

[frosty bridge]

Sims -50dps for me, and im bis geared except the 246 ring

[frosty bridge]

Hear me out

I kept the main bish blinded for 40-50% of the fight

kidney the enrage every time

and kick the thing

You will make the DPS check even without having her Dotted all the time easily

[cosmic sandal]

Just blind her on cd?

[frosty bridge]

When I feel safe I DoT the main girl

Not on CD because you will DR her

i mean you can probably almost on CD blind

when you feel like tanking all 3 just evasion then blind her and do 2 again etc

[cosmic sandal]

Atm I’m just blinding when she does her big cast thing

[frosty bridge]

yeah well

i blinded the first one and dotted

when she did the 2nd cast i fully blinded and didnt touch

[cosmic sandal]

Yeah aight I’ll give that a whirl

[frosty bridge]

then blinded again when it expired

the dps check is farily easy, so dont worry about not having rupture on her etc

just keep 100% bleeds on jarl and the shadowbolt guy

[cosmic sandal]

Copy

[frosty bridge]

And try to be greedy with Cloak

save it for overlaps

[cosmic sandal]

Righto

[quasi ledge]

I only blinded on her cast and broke it with like 10 seconds left each time. But yeah, kite Jarl a bit on rage and then kidney after a few seconds or when runes/angels spawn. If its a shit overlap then use Evasion

I saved cloak for if I got a shitty rune + angel overlap, but never had to use it on the kill

[cosmic sandal]

I must be just panicking

[quasi ledge]

And make sure your "main" target is the shadowbolt one, she never does anything where you need to stop attacking her

[cosmic sandal]

Oh true, I’ve been not doing this. I’ve been smacking the enrage guy. Also, why can’t I shiv the enrage!!

Bet yeah Cheers I’ve been stuffing up

[quasi ledge]

Also don't worry about saving stuff for the shield, use Vendetta/Shiv on CD. I basically always had it broken with 10 seconds or so to go

You can save kick for the last second as well, less shadowbolts on you

[gaunt halo]

What helped me a lot was binding:

/cast [@boss1] Blind
/cast [@boss2] Kidney
/cast [@boss3] Kick

(as 3 separate macros). Made targetting less of a hassle.

[cosmic sandal]

Legend cheers

[quasi ledge]

On the pull you can DoT all 3, then kick a Shadowbolt and move her and main boss away from Jarl, he seemed to only move as he went to cast the rage. Meant he had to run for 4 seconds to get to you, then kidney, then rage is basically over

Let's you just focus on damage during your opener until first runes spawn

[cosmic sandal]

What gear you guys running? Or you just running your normal shadowlands stuff

[glass tulip]

shadowlands baybeeee

[quasi ledge]

Half and half really. I went for non expensive crafted/BoEs with sockets/leech

[glass tulip]

I just went in normal dungeon gear, got some extra leech / haste

[gaunt halo]

Tried using leech gear but that had the wrong stats so I just used the normal gear instead. My issue was mostly the dps check anyway not living

[raven granite]

Just got the MT challenge as well as a carpal syndrome

[glass tulip]

gzzz

[quasi ledge]

You can buy the Legion catchup gear tokens just beside the tower with the nethershard currency. Gives ilvl 50 studff that can roll sockets and leech also let's you use the old shoulder/leg enchants if it doesn't warforge

[raven granite]

This needs to be nerfed to be more accessible

cheers

[glass tulip]

they're planning on adjusting some encounters but which ones weren't announced

[gaunt halo]

I think the mechanics itself are fine but the dps check is quite tight

[raven granite]

^

[cosmic sandal]

I did this exact same fight on my enhance shaman and it was a breeze, like I was never in danger

On my rogue I feel like I’m always In danger

[glass tulip]

I heard it was also quite tough on aff lock

[cosmic sandal]

Idk

[quasi ledge]

As a quick reference a friend took a screenshot of my character

Ignore 2nd trinket, was trying it out

It's shit

[zealous marsh]

any mythic daggers unluckiers?

[cosmic sandal]

Aight cheers, ima keep progging

[quasi ledge]

I just didn't use Sylv daggers, seemed like the proc was too scaled down but dunno :p

Felt the gems/enchant on heirloom was better

[gaunt halo]

Yeah that's what I noticed too it was like <1% of overall

[zealous marsh]

i just asked how many times ppl had to kill this fine woman to get at least one

[quasi ledge]

I've never looted a weapon both from Sylv and Denathrius. Just got from the vault

[zealous marsh]

coz in 2 weeks i've got every single peace of an item from her except belt

[quasi ledge]

I need 1 more Mythic Sylv dagger and I'm done

[zealous marsh]

i saw some logs peeps had

daggers did like 6% of dmg on assa

meanwhile i have one heroic on offhand

1%

in a good day

[quasi ledge]

One Mythic and heroic OH and it did 5.2% on a Guardian kill

[zealous marsh]

pog

so u say you feel the difference

can't wait to get one

[quasi ledge]

I wouldn't say you can feel it tbh

[zealous marsh]

i mean 259 weapon

[quasi ledge]

You just look at details after a fight and go "ooh look at that"

[zealous marsh]

it's weapon dmg alone

[quasi ledge]

Yeah I still don't think you can feel it tbh

[zealous marsh]

[quasi ledge]

Apart from noticing yourself doing a bit more damage in general

[zealous marsh]

well my sims tells me it is 150dps upgrade

up to 180

i'm thinking tho

if it is worth to equip kt neck pants and sylv belt

coz i simmed it

and it gives me like 2dps upgrade

and it's gear compare so i don't know if i did it right

[quasi ledge]

KT legs and neck were an upgrade for me, but the Soulrender belt outsimmed the Sylv one

If you have the items, do it in Top Gear and select each one

[zealous marsh]

not yet

[fallen ginkgo]

hm yea my gear is pretty BiS except like Sylv dagger. Gonna be hard to check without sims

[bleak sky]

5 times + 5 vaults = 1 dagger

[zealous marsh]

at least 2 weeks more ahead of me

[quasi ledge]

Same here. 5 kills but also 1-2 more 3 choice vaults because we trialed new people and didn't kill her some weeks. Me and another Rogue each have 1 dagger

[zealous marsh]

if we believe in statistics

[odd heath]

Got my first M dagger on the 4th vault after the first kill

Second M dagger on 10th kill

[cobalt hemlock]

killed it from quite early still dont have a single dagger

[thorny pond]

No daggers all tier till this week. Monday on kill, Tuesday vault

[quasi venture]

[thorny pond]

I did dirty unspeakable things for them

[quasi venture]

need 1 more dagger. can you dm me what unspeakable things you did so i can recreate?

[thorny pond]

I mean. How callous are your knees?

[quasi venture]

how do you think i got the rest of my gear?

[thorny pond]

Kekw

Just pray a lot

To whomever

Be toxic to non meta specs

And uh

Be lucky

[quasi venture]

only read toxicity that works for me.

[glass tulip]

+ =

[normal mist]

Btw, here's my weekly complain: 10 weeks of sylv hc without literally dropping anything but Anima from her. Also no vault luck. Thanks for joining my Ted talk.

Week 11 for sure.

[golden basalt]

[normal mist]

I'm going to drop it the week before 9.2, calling it

Pin this message boys

[bleak sky]

To this day I have not seen a sylv hc dagger

not from kills, not from vaults

[cobalt pelican]

10 weeks isn't very much

[subtle tundra]

can link my mythic one if you want?

[normal mist]

If sylv dropped anything at all I wouldn't complain so much but I've never seen her drop a purple item other than a conduit xDD

My RL trolled me after... "you dropped the dagger!"

Yes thank you, deeper dagger.

[golden basalt]

the only sylv drop ive gotten is the chest after i got it in vault the week before

[normal mist]

I'm afraid that will happen to me

Got the chest from vault aswell

[golden basalt]

felt great giving it to our tanks alt

[normal mist]

OOF

[spice spire]

I’ve gifted 3 daggers

Saving up that mythic rng

[jaunty steeple]

is that socketed with current season stuff from Korthia?

[spice spire]

Yes

Or idk there but it can be

[glass tulip]

Yeah that's just a regular deadly jewel cluster

[spice spire]

I think he meant “can you socket it with the thing you get from research”

To which the answer is, yes

[jaunty steeple]

nifty

[fallen ginkgo]

that ring better than 252 with same stats?

[jaunty steeple]

most likely yeah

don't think the sim works properly yet

but there's been some light testing

[fallen ginkgo]

hmm oke, what abou the trinket?

from CoS

[jaunty steeple]

everything else should sim properly in the droptimizer

so run that

[fallen ginkgo]

oh okay, thanks!

[bleak sky]

faulty countermeasure makes it so I have now 2 good tea options

[strange python]

@jaunty steeple Mine came with a socket

So the ring adds a flat ~75'ish dps
But during the course of testing, the average crit was
with ring: 732 vs 680 without

I averaged 14 crits per 20 sec at 42.5% crit rate
each of those 14 crits is doing 52 more damage
Winds of winter stores 18% of that
each winds of winter gains 131 damage over that 20 sec
So that's an additional 6.6 dps

So looks like it should add ~82 dps versus another 246 ilvl ring

[spice spire]

I saw similar logs from another gamer

[jaunty steeple]

yeah I should've asked if the Legion rings were socketable with the research item, but got an answer

[spice spire]

It was closer to 1% gain in melee thoigh, which was about 100 or so dps

Could have been a high roll

[strange python]

yeah - i had no raid buffs in testing - just on a dummy so

[jaunty steeple]

is the tooltip accurate for increased melee damage?

also does it apply before or after crits

as in, does the effect benefit from crit as well

or vers for that matter

[spice spire]

Based on ghosted’s numbers I’d say it doesn’t benefit from either, just a flat number added to the auto

[jaunty steeple]

so then only haste would affect it, via more autos

[strange python]

My normal hits only went up an average of 3 damage per hit - but my crits increased by about 86 averaged. I only smacked a target dummy for 3:30 (times two) though.

[spice spire]

It’s within the margin of +48, yeah? 36 + 50%

[strange python]

lemme just smack this thing for 10 mins times two and compare results

[spice spire]

Literally left click and afk

For the children

[strange python]

ahh i have 134 extra haste with this ring versus an extra 103 vers without...

that skews things, but i dont really have another option - that's why i was just averaging it all

That vers adds 3% dmg - so not that much

I'm gonna do 10 mins - I just am not happy with the fact that my normal hit average only went up 3 dmg so i'll report back in a bit

[hexed frost]

Both 246 Whetstone and counterweight sim lower than my current gear
Time to die
16 dungeon runs and still not an upgrade

[spice spire]

Only 4 cos in

Excited for vaults

[pure moth]

Will vault have items from time walking dungeons or no?

[glass tulip]

no

[slow marsh]

That's cuz you need countermeasure

[thin ingot]

guys is it normal for 3 abilities to overlap in the mage tower challenge?

im getting them constantly spammed and overlapped when they reach 20%

like every single pull

[slow marsh]

Yeah that's enrage

Kill sooner

[thin ingot]

im dying doing 1.3k dps though

maybe im spreading damage too much and should just focus the 2 cunts isntead of sygrid

[slow marsh]

They share health

When you get that low full blind sig kill the jarl then get the caster low like 8%

Then it's over

[strange python]

Without Ring

[thin ingot]

ohhhh

thats a nice tip

[strange python]

With Ring

[thin ingot]

ty

[slow marsh]

Np

[thin ingot]

i did all the challenges back in the day with every spec

but now it feels its tuned around being geared or buying that bullshit crafted gear

i cant do it on my alts with greens even when scaled down

[subtle tundra]

? whats that supposed to mean

its tuned well

i think its ok to be hard

[thin ingot]

ive seen videos of other ppl doing it, for example the bear challenge im critting moonfires for 600 damage

the dude on the video guide is critting 1.6k

full crafted gear

[subtle tundra]

idk about tank one

im speaking for assa

[thin ingot]

oh yeah assa is fine

some of the other ones are fucked

and i did them back in legion

all of them

[subtle tundra]

i've done all rogue ones, ww one and almost finished the frost one

so all i have left are healer and tank

[thin ingot]

ive completed 6 assa is going to be my 7th one soon

but the bear one is undoable for me

unless i spend 100k gold

[subtle tundra]

i've never tanked/healed anything challenging so im just gonna wait for next week maybe there are nerfs

didnt even try them

[thin ingot]

isnt it going to be removed for 6 months?

[subtle tundra]

it lasts for 2 weeks

[thin ingot]

until legion rotation comes back again?

ohhh

sweet

[hexed frost]

Tested the trinket on a 11 ToP in pug. Replaced my 239 SFA with a 246 Spike(other one is a 246 phial). Poor trinket i would say

Brutal Haymaker is the damage and in buffs it's showing only 6.2 % uptime, so very poor proc rate i think

[subtle tundra]

it isnt simming well, what would make you think its good?

[hexed frost]

Brain

RIp valor

[slow marsh]

that's the wrong trinket. you're not reading

[spice spire]

Reading is for peasants

Gimme the

[glass tulip]

wth is spike

[strange python]

According to those numbers it seems would be about right - but the actual math itself, if it really added +36 to each normal melee hit, it should add more. I don't know, I got busy with some work stuff all of a sudden so haven't spent much time thinking about those new numbers or the ring itself yet.

[glass tulip]

What rings did you have on in the normal test?

[strange python]

crit+vers - so similar crit% but +3% dmg from the vers (and minus the haste)

[spice spire]

Vers will up the numbers. So +22 is a fairly fine number given what it is

[glass tulip]

so uh

which rings? :)

[spice spire]

Hey @strange python can you post a top gear sim with both of your rings?

Just wanna do some napkin math

[strange python]

does it add the +36 in the sim?

[glass tulip]

no, that's why we want to see your regular gear

[strange python]

That's my other ring

[spice spire]

[glass tulip]

What about the 3rd one, the one that gets replaced

[strange python]

wait we can upgarde them 14/14 now?

[glass tulip]

no

[strange python]

oh ok

[spice spire]

No we cannot

14/14 is 252

[strange python]

I was about to be mad lol

[foggy crest]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aXigxpheLEfuUuUtCvm5CL

[fleet anchor]

Was that without any procs, removing weapons with enchants, etc.?

Procs can skew the numbers a lot

[glass tulip]

so that sim shows a +23 dps increase from your other rings, which would not include the AA buff

[fleet anchor]

Ideally I'd try to test with a very low ilevel white vendor weapon and any gear with effects/procs removed

(Including some soulbinds and stuff)

[spice spire]

That’s a good point

[fleet anchor]

Then write down your AP and Vers (or screenshot your stat tab)

If you send that stuff over I can probably figure it out to implement in SimC

[glass tulip]

sim white gear

[fleet anchor]

Mitigates RNG by making the effect much greater than the damage range of the weapon 😛

Also keep in mind when it says "adds X damage" if it's just added to the end, it'll always be less than X because of armor

[glass tulip]

Couldn't you just take off all your gear except the ring?

go punch a dummy

[formal zenith]

morning all. simple question in full bis is jeweled signet the go too?

[glass tulip]

currently figuring that out but generally it seems pretty similar to other BiS rings

my personal opinion is: if you wanna farm it go for it but it isn't worth the effort for the increase in dps it will provide

[formal zenith]

i got it first run

is why i asked

[glass tulip]

nice luck lol

[tropic gate]

if it was still just 10% increase it would be so much higher, but thankfully they nerfed it into a flat value.

[fleet anchor]

Napkin math seems to put it about on par with Mythic rings, maybe a little lower. But certainly it would be nice to be able to sim this.

[glass tulip]

Koji check this, thoughts? #assassination message

[fleet anchor]

Just need to narrow down exactly how it works for sure

Yeah maybe would work, provided it works on unarmed

Which who knows. WoW 🍝

That's why I usually just use white starter weapons from Org or something

[glass tulip]

makes sense, if I get one soon I'll do white daggers and naked gear

[strange python]

oh man i totally forgot about weapon enchants. Good call.

I will rerun that later with some ilvl 50'ish weapons then - i was thinking of picking up two anyway for the tower.

[fleet anchor]

(Sorry to be a pain, normally I'd just test this stuff myself but I haven't gotten one yet so RIP)

[strange python]

no i dont know how i overlooked that, it's significant for sure.

[gusty mirage]

at least you didnt get your last legion legendary that evaded you for years

[fleet anchor]

haha

Gz

[gusty mirage]

but I guess collection complete?

yay me?

[fleet anchor]

I still have all mine in void storage. I can't bring myself to destroy them even after Blizzard disabled them 😦

[slow marsh]

also might be best to test with the least amount of outside factors so like just equip 2 white weapons and unequip all gear except for the ring

[vestal wren]

[gusty mirage]

yeah that zoldyk's cost me gold to toss in void storage

lol

[slow marsh]

then do it again with same white weapons but swap ring out for something with as close to similar stats as possible

[fleet anchor]

Some of them were kinda busted I kinda get it

[gusty mirage]

wtb feint legendary for mage tower though

ty blizz

[glass tulip]

or use other gear to try to balance

[fleet anchor]

I'm pretty sure the Blade Flurry one actually lowered Blade Flurry damage these days 🤣

Before they disabled it

But still

[gusty mirage]

yeah but no one likes outlaw so its fine

[fleet anchor]

Kinda sucks

[gusty mirage]

would've been neat to be able to do the MT with like all legendaries this time around

[spice spire]

Sounds like a skill issue

[gusty mirage]

oh it definitely is

I'm awful at this game

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

can't beat enrage timer doing 1.2k dps

[vestal wren]

they probably tune it with reset

can see them tune subtlety/sin

[nocturne geode]

[gusty mirage]

I think I just need to blind sigryn and kill the last 2

and I can do it tbh

[tropic gate]

or theyll tune it after it gone, and we have to wait until summer lol

[gusty mirage]

it's doable just frustrating af

[vestal wren]

blue post did say reset

[thin ingot]

i did it !

[spice spire]

Subtlety seems a bit easier if you kite the dps check well

[thin ingot]

[gusty mirage]

plus the overlaps for the assa tower can be so unbelievably toxic sometimes

[tropic gate]

are yall using full timewalking set

[gusty mirage]

no

[glass tulip]

shadowlands gear baybeee

[gusty mirage]

I cba farming it/buying it

[vestal wren]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/i-defeated-the-mage-tower-tonight-my-thoughts/1147589/112

[tropic gate]

I have the gear i just dont have anything enchanted/gemmed for timewalking

[glass tulip]

that says nothing about reset fuu 🤔

[gusty mirage]

if they're spending time analyzing it now

that means likely by reset it'll get tuned down

[timid cloud]

This is Oxi right now.

[gusty mirage]

but I just hope they don't make it faceroll

[timid cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-ratio-cancelled-twitter-cringe-gif-23133228

[gusty mirage]

just tweak the damage taken in the assa one a smidgen

because sometimes you just get wrecked by rng

[thin ingot]

the assa one isnt bad at all

[glass tulip]

this dood just cant read

[thin ingot]

theres other that are completely fucked

[vestal wren]

its atm rly hard, just look at #subtlety how many people struggle

[timid cloud]

It's just more annoying than it used to be because we can't get a PB nuke proc.

[spice spire]

Yeah I’ve seen the bear be kinda sketch

[gusty mirage]

ye they botched the scaling a bit imo

[vestal wren]

so at least for archmage, i can see them do some tuning

[glass tulip]

bears crying they cant out range with 15 yard thrashes

[thin ingot]

please someoen try the bear one with shit gear

[gusty mirage]

having 80% uptime on CT, 98% on garrote, and 99% on rupture

[timid cloud]

Locks & Warriors are struggling.

[gusty mirage]

and still dying to auto attacks

is kinda cringe

[fleet anchor]

The Torghast Experience (tm)

[tropic gate]

we also back then could eventually get better gear to do it, the only way to gear for this mage tower is to cheese the chromie time/farm SoO/ToT/etc

[spice spire]

I also can say nothing of tuning since I’m not working until this weekend

[nocturne geode]

i think more or less the issue with it right now being tuned to tightly is in legion we eventually were able to outscale it and trivialize it for those people who didnt earn thier stuff right away atm that isnt the case

[tropic gate]

exactly @nocturne geode

[vestal wren]

warriors can deal better with adds in the final stage of the sub challange, so it should be easy for them

[tropic gate]

what i was just saying

[fleet anchor]

Rogues squishy af in SL without Conduits 😛

[timid cloud]

SOO doesn't work anymore I think.

[thin ingot]

i did every challenge in legion with the nethershard gear on my alts, nothing more nothing less. Shit leggos or what rng threw to me

[gusty mirage]

yeah not having recoup conduit hurts a lot

[vestal wren]

they nerfed/fixed some of the soo trinkets

[fleet anchor]

I heard they were adding some way of mixing pickpocketing into Crimson Vial to compensate for them nerfing Vial baseline 🤣

[gusty mirage]

also you can use lock rocks in the MT

fun fact

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

yeah they did

it's sick

[fleet anchor]

I mentioned this in Outlaw channel since theirs is a big survivability issue too

[tropic gate]

I am not saying it wasnt doable @thin ingot im just saying over time in legion you would get better gear and bring its difficulty down, but in timewalking we cant do that

[fleet anchor]

You can use the 1 minute tonics rather than the longer CD SL health potions

They are quite good

[nocturne geode]

what @tropic gate is saying is 100% true

[thin ingot]

oh i was jsut sharing my past experience not criticizing

[vestal wren]

or you use the bfa abyssal heal potions

and get 4k healing instead of 2k

[gusty mirage]

also the scaling is hilariously uneven

you can tell by looking at old gear

[nocturne geode]

i only got outlaw and sin right away in legion wasnt that great at sub for instance eventually w gear it didnt matter and i got sub

[normal mist]

I tried with 220 not optimized gear and got to face kruul 2 times

[gusty mirage]

some older gear just has more secondaries for no reason

[tropic gate]

like I heard that in the tank one, the adds are harder this go around

[vestal wren]

funny thing is that sl has some rly strong trinkets

[tropic gate]

compared to back in legion

[vestal wren]

well gland was fixed sadly

[gusty mirage]

the scaling makes the mechagon trinket w/ the rep punch card kinda bis

[thin ingot]

im doing 600dmg crits with moonfire and the galactic bear shit, saw a vid of a guy doing 1600 with full crafted gear. Kinda bullshit imo

[gusty mirage]

scales it down 2k damage

from 7k to 5k

which is massive in 2s

[fleet anchor]

I really think most of the issues with Assassination and Outlaw ones just come down to Rogue being super squish and not having the option of Valeeras/Prydaz plus nerfed Vial

[gusty mirage]

I think if they just buff the spawn rate of the healing orbs for assa it'll be fine

[tropic gate]

yeah, i spent the last 2 weeks farming gear in SoO and ToT just to get full socket gear

[gusty mirage]

or make it so they don't disappear

[fleet anchor]

Honestly like if Conduits were enabled

[tropic gate]

tune it down, and disable sockets in mage tower

[fleet anchor]

Rogues would be fine

[gusty mirage]

agreed

[tropic gate]

so that the old gear isnt the best way to go

[nocturne geode]

the weps in legion were also huge

[fleet anchor]

But they are hard relying on Recuperator to carry Rogue solo sustain atm

Design wise

[normal mist]

My guild just linked a trinket that can help outlaw. Give me a moment

[gusty mirage]

its okay we'll for sure get the pickpocket buffs for vial in 10.0

[fleet anchor]

Yes the Outlaw one can use the Alch trinket

[thin ingot]

@gusty mirage you shouldnt be dying to rot damage imo, like everytime i died on the assa challengue was cause of a 1shot. I got all blue gear from shadowlands, no sockets, no extra leech, no cheese gear at all. Rot damage was never an issue just me being stupid

[fleet anchor]

But that doesn't really help Assassination since nothing dies

[gusty mirage]

yeah idk man

there's been times where I'm just chilling at 30% health

with full bleeds on all 3

[vestal wren]

enveloping works fairly well for subtlety

[gusty mirage]

getting auto attacked by jarl and sigryn for 200 a pop

and then there's times where I'm practically invincible

health doesn't even budge

[thin ingot]

maybe its the axes, getting used to dodge them takes a while but affter you got that sorted out youre set

[restive falcon]

when did they say they r gonna nerf it?

[thorny pond]

Blue post said they are going to adjust

Nothing specific

[tropic gate]

they just said they are analyzing it right now

[gusty mirage]

possibly

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=152634/endless-tincture-of-renewed-combat

[gusty mirage]

tbh I just look at the recap

and its usually just autoattacks + a shadowbolt

[normal mist]

That trinket for outlaw might help

[gusty mirage]

but half the time the axes eat me alive

[normal mist]

Same

[gusty mirage]

I plan on knocking it out this weekend though

because leaving work and hitting my head against that wall for an hour doesn't sound fun during a weekday lmao

[thin ingot]

its so unbalanced, 1shotted challenge with my UH DK and fury warrior and bm hunter, was a pain in the ass for my ungeared rogue and frost mage, impossible at the moment for me with every other class/spec

[glass tulip]

an hour lol

[strange python]

with ring left - without ring right
Only one ring equipped (crit/haste in both cases, very similar in stats)
No weapon procs, ilvl 50 green daggers.

[gusty mirage]

yea I'm not worried about it on the rogue, I know I can just sit down and do it eventually but I'm worried about my alts

cause I kinda wanted some solo content to vibe to

[thin ingot]

yeah me too

[gusty mirage]

and I know for sure my 185 ilvl mage won't be able to do it lmao

[thin ingot]

with my frost mage i just bought all crit haste blue gear from shadowlands from the AH

[fleet anchor]

What's your AP/Vers and base weapon damage?

[thin ingot]

each piece was like 100g

[strange python]

lemme check

[thin ingot]

but no sockets or extra stats

[fleet anchor]

Or actually

Can you just /simc output your profile with whatever gear set you used?

And DM me

Probably the easiest

[golden basalt]

my mate did the god-queen fight as arcane mage and has talked mad smack today because I'm not killing, finally convinced him to jump on his rogue and feel the difference

[gusty mirage]

kek