He doesn’t have one yet
#assassination
spice spire
hollow river
Ahh
spice spire
Doesn’t have the slots
hollow river
Should definitely use proper talents though
spice spire
Running a sim that should be better now
fallen arch
Short circuited Cev’s brain there
hollow river
They’re fine for m+
red plaza
you dont sim 6min 1 target for m+
hollow river
^
red plaza
it was hard to tell what you were simming for
viscid schooner
but i dont get why replace vers with mast?
hollow river
Because mastery is good for m+
viscid schooner
ahhh okay
viscid schooner
ahh okay i always thought that i had to stack vers instead of masterhy
fallen arch
Not for sin
But you dont stack anything anymore these days
You stack ilvl above all else in most cases
viscid schooner
but i need a shard bonus?
fallen arch
Yes
But not for m+ particularly
Altho you do want the shards themselves
For the singular effects
The dps ones
viscid schooner
my shards are fine or?
fallen arch
Uh on phone so cant see but u want at least dyz, cor and bek
viscid schooner
got those 3
viscid spear
How does my character's gear and stats look?
mystic garden
Yeah I am down bad for some of that 👀 crit
balmy condor
I’m down bad for you
gusty adder
which is the prefered legendary in m+?
fickle jolt
Zoldyck's I believe
gusty adder
Over Obedience as well?
fickle jolt
Obedience is more ST
If your there on tyrannical just for boss damage then I'd go Obedience. Otherwise Zoldyck's
Someone more versed can feel free to correct that
slow marsh
obed on tyran zold on forti
but you can play either for either tbh it's not gonna be a big difference until you get to higher key levels
cerulean nest
just saw the pin update, are people running theotar over nadija now?
kind talon
always have been
dim mural
shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit for crit tea in sim?
boreal pond
is there a particular way to use mfd in the opener and outside opener?
cerulean nest
always have been
what
cerulean nest
no way lmao
balmy condor
is there a particular way to use mfd in the opener and outside opener?
During vanish in opener, hold up to 10sec for flag
alpine latch
Oh wow
They fixed Fatal Flaw
Just noticed that
Still rocking Theotar, but that's cool
cerulean nest
for many profiles
top gear chooses crit tea?
keen garden
New rogue... I want to use Poison Bomb because .. I just find it satisfying. I know it's not good for m+, but to get the most out of it which leggo is the way to go. Kyrian + reprimand leggo for tons of 7 cp chances of PB, or dashing scoundrel?
slow marsh
i refuse to support such trolling
bleak sky
we zoomin boys
slow marsh
top gear chooses crit tea?
top gear splits them evenly into 25% uptime
keen garden
Lol, I'm legit trying to make the best out of an underwhelming choice
bleak sky
it's in the sub faq
slow marsh
you can sim it in advanced sim
cerulean nest
yee got it
bleak sky
profileset."primary"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=primary"
profileset."versatility"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=versatility"
profileset."crit"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit"
profileset."haste"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=haste"
cerulean nest
how did I not know about theotar this whole time
ive been parsing just fine with nadija
bleak sky
doesn't mean you can't do damage lol
slow marsh
yeah idk it's been known for a long time
and parse is mostly if your winds crit / externals anyways
cerulean nest
well color me surprised
quasi grotto
so is nadj fixed , if we dont roll crit?
cerulean nest
sims have been stopping me at like 1300-1400 crit with nadija, do you have less base crit then if youre using theotar crit tea?
slow marsh
another reason so many people haven't learned about theo is because they used theo as their sub conduit and didn't want to constantly swap out between sin and sub
na theo gets better with more crit
slow marsh
nadj just carried low stat profiles in sims cuz of how huge the procs are. but lethal poisons is much better than dauntless esp with dashing
cerulean nest
so theotar + crit tea is about 30dps above my nadija
not too far off
is there a trick to rerolling theotar to make sure you get the right tea?
sinful cradle
Nope rng
red plaza
Login 4 hours before raid and roll every hour until you get it
cerulean nest
so you can talk to him once an hour
and talking to him immediately drinks the tea
?
slow marsh
he gives you the tea in your bag
cerulean nest
ah but you can only drink once an hour
echo geyser
@marble hemlock can u even pad in m+ as sin
fok > rupture to infinity instead of envenom?
limber lion
<@!210784027752398848> can u even pad in m+ as sin
I mean you can definitely try to do more overall instead of prio damage
echo geyser
that would just be spreading more bleeds right?
limber lion
Which is kinda yikes
limber lion
that would just be spreading more bleeds right?
Sure
quasi grotto
You want and should get crit
i meant if i dont roll crit in time
echo geyser
even while u have infinite w ith like 5 already
echo geyser
but to be clear rupture spreading would be more total dmg right
even if u have 5 already or w/e
limber lion
Yeh
echo geyser
kinda weird to think of tbh
limber lion
You use Envenom to maintain SnD
echo geyser
yeah
limber lion
That's about it
cerulean nest
so I can only put the theotar tea addition into Advanced sims right? is there not a way to add that in to regular top gear to include it with gems/rings/gear options as well
echo geyser
and envenom buff its only on target right? the poison application chance
or is it personal buff
limber lion
so I can only put the theotar tea addition into Advanced sims right? is there no...
Sure you can by using expert mode
Just slam the string on the footer
marble hemlock
<@!210784027752398848> can u even pad in m+ as sin
you cannot
limber lion
and envenom buff its only on target right? the poison application chance
It's a personal buff
marble hemlock
not since EB is gone
echo geyser
ah yeah we were fok spamming at some point right with 2/3 EB
cerulean nest
Sure you can by using expert mode
never used it. dont think i have access
echo geyser
that was weird
marble hemlock
i guess you could play mfd and pad with that? hard to say
limber lion
never used it. dont think i have access
Everyone does afaik
Just turn it on
There's a button for it on top gear
Down at the bottom
tough eagle
how do i get dashing scoundrel recipe without wanting to kill myself waiting for LFR on an alt?
or is there no other faster way
balmy condor
how do i get dashing scoundrel recipe without wanting to kill myself waiting for...
korthia
limber lion
how do i get dashing scoundrel recipe without wanting to kill myself waiting for...
Queue for it and do something else
cerulean nest
and i just put the tea thing inside Footer?
tried this and it didnt seem to work
limber lion
Sorry, the header
Probably
Actually no, should be the footer
Buuuuut it's likely janky
And it obviously won't tell you which tea you use
You have to go through the profile
cerulean nest
alright im simming again with the footer
ill post here after if you can decipher it lol
balmy condor
what's the line you're adding
cerulean nest
profileset."primary"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=primary"
profileset."versatility"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=versatility"
profileset."crit"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit"
profileset."haste"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=haste"
in footer
cerulean nest
bro i barely know how to open Word, what am I supposed to do lmao
balmy condor
you
are taking that
and what it's doing
is making 4 more combinations
on top of the others
shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit
will hard override
you also don't need expert mode for that, just custom apl
limber lion
He specifically wanted to do a top gear version of it
balmy condor
yes
limber lion
I guess you can copy-paste the combos to advanced
balmy condor
profileset."primary"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=primary"
profileset."versati...
this in top gear though is just ??????
placid pagoda
back to nadjia now shes fixed?
limber lion
No
placid pagoda
or rely on sim
limber lion
Stay Theo
balmy condor
theo has been better
cerulean nest
shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit
alright trying again lol
I feel like a geriatric rn
all this over 30 dps
fading wigeon
Lol
sudden canyon
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
cerulean nest
okay that worked I think lol, thanks @balmy condor
balmy condor
why is this man taunting us
clown shit
echo geyser
why is this man taunting us
Biggest coper
spice spire
2979 
echo geyser
hes venthyr gamer
spice spire
Mans probably ran some shitter keys to boost his renown
fallen arch
Mans probably ran some shitter keys to boost his renown
^
oak sky
Why is night fae good in keys?
I saw zerocool running it on raiderio
You guys ready for it?
bleak sky
hes venthyr gamer
oh for sure but
why does he have to logout as nf like that
just to hurt us
subtle tundra
bamfam keys?
rancid blaze
Is Nadjia still bugged?
echo geyser
Is Nadjia still bugged?
it was fixed last night hotfix
rancid blaze
ahh ok
gusty mirage
just buy it?
You sellin? 
timid cloud
Hey guys, I’ve been seeing Master Poisoner & Night Fae, with mastery stacking, Ramfam did it once. That’s good, right? (This is a joke.)
spice spire
timid cloud
red plaza
I agree. It’s a joke top rogues are keeping this info from us so they can take all the io for themselves
timid cloud
spice spire
red plaza
Ooop 🧢
timid cloud
Seems more like a rusher of the venoms.
kind talon
Hey guys, I’ve been seeing Master Poisoner & Night Fae, with mastery stacking, Ramfam did it once. That’s good, right?
pure moth
<@141252922649477120> confirm your dirty secrets <:monkascheme:58573408359075021...
Yes, share the secrets
kind talon
@timid cloud Why is night fae good in keys? I saw zerocool running it on raiderio
thorny pond
You’re gonna have zero IO if you do it
timid cloud
hollow river
<@!147249568944226305> Why is night fae good in keys? I saw zerocool running it ...
I saw jpc leveling Night Fae renown to prep for 9.2 RWF, am I missing something? Should I be preparing my Night Fae renown too? I don’t want to be left behind
keen mantle
So Nadja is fixed and we playing Nadja again ?
hollow river
So Nadja is fixed and we playing Nadja again ?
If it sims better for you yeah
keen mantle
Any brave man played mfd and obedience in raid ? It sims 200 DPS higher for me but you have to play perfect I feel like
Mistakes hurt a lot
hollow river
Nadjia only sims as +10 dps for me so I might stay Theo
spice spire
We’ve a few in here that do, casual
hollow river
Because Euphoria and Fatal Flaw be trolling intermission procs
glad siren
Any brave man played mfd and obedience in raid ? It sims 200 DPS higher for me b...
Just started doing mfd and ds ... I'm behind the ti.es but it went well
hollow river
Any brave man played mfd and obedience in raid ? It sims 200 DPS higher for me b...
I play mfd+dashing
spice spire
Consensus is pretty much “need practice and will perform”
grand ridge
Does the fix affect sims or did the sim assume the conduit was working properly
hollow river
Does the fix affect sims or did the sim assume the conduit was working properly
It was working properly until a couple weeks ago. Sims never changed
grand ridge
Gotcha thx
glad siren
Got a 97 on eye with no pi or ka and 99 on render
hollow river
The eye and Fatescribe are both my worst enemies
glad siren
The eye and Fatescribe are both my worst enemies
Do you shadow step beam?
hollow river
I usually just cloak beam
glad siren
I still mess up shadowstep sometimes lol
hollow river
I like to use step to get to adds faster
outer cairn
So for Obediance/MfD the pin says do opener as usual. when you vanish and do your first envenom, should you mut, evenom then mfd evenom or mfd/envenom after the first one?
bleak sky
Any brave man played mfd and obedience in raid ? It sims 200 DPS higher for me b...
yes but my damage is doodoo on sylv
everything else is fine
golden basalt
I mfd when master assassin proc is gone
bleak sky
but that's probably because I suck and not because it's a bad combo
bleak sky
mut-snd-mut-garrote-flag-rup-shiv-vanish-vendetta-mut-envenom-mfd-envenom
outer cairn
i prefer to shiv, build to 4-5 then vanish envenom, mut, envenom, mfd, envenom
sudden canyon
do you sync flag and vendetta if ur running mfd?
golden basalt
you can hold in certain scenarios but most of the time press it on cd
Mfd doesn’t change that
You hold mfd for flag though
bleak sky
i prefer to shiv, build to 4-5 then vanish envenom, mut, envenom, mfd, envenom
I need an adult here, but I don't think you have enough globals with the shiv buff up to do that
outer cairn
i typically use it with opener, then i get another use of it in a shiv window, then it and flag come off cooldown about the same time and use it again, then vendetta is coming off and then ready to use mfd again with flag again
golden basalt
Think youre missing a potential envenom cast within shiv window by casting shiv that early
outer cairn
well i used to actually mut to 3-4 first then i would shiv, vanish, envenom
because i always thought the same thing, casting shiv first means wasting time on it
oak sky
outer cairn
i assume talking about the thing where it says cast shiv on cd regardless of number of envenoms you get
oak sky
yessir
quasi ledge
Yes, you press on CD. Except to wait like 10 seconds for Vendetta i think, ish? If you're not getting regular Envenoms in, then it's down to your pooling/planning and you improve that
outer cairn
right and with mfd i'm pretty sure i'm getting 3 off in the window anyways lol
i was suprised about the whole obedience/mfd thing, but i simmed it and my sim was higher. i used it in raid, and my damage was way better than DS/Vigor
quasi ledge
I mean, yes it's almost automatic in the opener with Vanish
outer cairn
Dashing^
outer cairn
yep another reason i like it
oak sky
slight differences in opener arent usually a big change in damage
outer cairn
i didn't change the opener at all really except now after the second envenom from vanish i just mfd and envenom again
oak sky
so like your opener is probably fine skadooshbag, but minalba basically said the recommended opener
quasi ledge
Yeah, it won't make any realistic noticeable change in DPS
quasi ledge
It was because she was bugged, but now it's down to how your character sims and if the fight has movement/downtime
outer cairn
right cause of the umbrella prc
oak sky
theotar can be better because crit tea is really high value
quasi ledge
And Nadjia's proc could proc during Painsmith intermission for example
slow marsh
theotar is better because of 3rd potency
quasi ledge
Completely wasted
slow marsh
not necessarily crit tea
outer cairn
ahh that makes sense too. and yeah crit tea is an rng thing
oak sky
you can go 3rd potency on nadjia too dude
slow marsh
also more consistent and doesn't rely on thrill procs
oak sky
its not like that isnt an option
slow marsh
3 pot on nadjia you may as well just play draven
oak sky
good idea
outer cairn
but like the opener, i don't think it will make a huge change
outer cairn
yeah mfd really helps with that
yep its a 30 dps difference with Nad being the higher
tired vessel
been a hot minute playing sin...With the new MFD optimization; while playing Obedience; is their any sort of "hold X cd up to X seconds to line up with X cooldown?"
or is it basically; line your shit up as much a possible as long as you don't miss a cast?
im assuming you should probably hold mfd for next Vanish MA window? awww man. some genius help me.
hollow river
yep its a 30 dps difference with Nad being the higher
I personally wouldn’t run Nadjia for painsmith/Sylvanas
Not sure if euphoria/fatal flaw proc in any other intermissions
slow marsh
fate
viscid spear
I remember a lot of bad Euphoria procs on those bosses : /
hollow river
Yeah
It sucks because I love euphoria procs
Just wish it didn’t proc when you’re not hitting the boss
slow marsh
i love euphoria too it's just a crap timer
like even downtime aside....it's 80 second timer and that's just crap
slow marsh
mika is apm timer
hollow river
I like heimir gemstone windows
slow marsh
yeah that's my fav too
hollow river
1 minute ICD that procs off crits
slow marsh
Rip Necro though
nimble thicket
The concept of in combat time is kinda trash in general, can we get a re-tool taking one from the Bron Cena play book
severe sparrow
if my mythic logs are ass as a whole, would there be a boss that'd be best to post here for feedback?
bleak sky
guardian I guess
severe sparrow
i was mid edit cuz i meant to say of the first 5, unless a heroic one would suffice for rotation sake
stray mural
I mean you could post your worst and best and we could compare
severe sparrow
if you're stalking my posts here, i liked it more as EP/vigor last night for soulrender yeah
stray mural
EP/Vigor feels way better single target than BS/DS once your gear is sorted.
I haven’t had a reason to switch from it since I got dashing and r5 frost
bleak sky
if you're stalking my posts here, i liked it more as EP/vigor last night for sou...
nah, looking at logs
severe sparrow
for Lynarí with the weird i from sargeras? 
oh. i was gonna give a shit tonight and do a clear as ep/vigor cuz i got that and sorted my gems and shit out a bit since last kill for most of them
i also historically dont pot a lot bc poor/lazy
anyway, dont put too much effort into my logs rn @bleak sky
bleak sky
im not, just looked at talent choices
bleak sky
^
red plaza
slow marsh
if my mythic logs are ass as a whole, would there be a boss that'd be best to po...
I would recommend going back and reading one of the guides before anything tbh. That'd be the best and easiest thing you could do
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
severe sparrow
D: technically i think i asked how to ask for help
bleak sky
how to ask for help:
hey everyone, i've been trying x/y/z and ran into [problem] but can't figure out what's going on. I tried fixing it by [method a/b/c] but couldn't. Help?
hollow river
i didn't know he streamed raid
are they progging sylv rn
i'm in the middle of raid atm
balmy condor
yes
kind talon
oxi do be kinda cockslamming tha boss rn
spice spire
oxi do be kinda cockslamming tha boss rn
Yes man 
alpine latch
So .. Did you guys know that on Sylv in p2, you can shadowstep to her
immediately falling to your death?
Because I just learned that by misclicking
inland hull
Ha! I actually did that in our HC last week
alpine latch
yeah, embarassing..
opaque tree
For Mad Duke's Tea, I know Agility is the best choice, if you can get it, and probably crit next.... Would you ever just take the 3% haste and go with it, or reroll in an hour?
opaque tree
lol what?
slow marsh
you want crit or haste
indigo valley
I cannot find sims for bis gear? Are they in pins and I'm just blind?
slow marsh
then vers > agi in order of how poop they are
slow marsh
I cannot find sims for bis gear? Are they in pins and I'm just blind?
they were in pins but they're old now
opaque tree
for M+ Crit>Haste>vers> Agi > mastery, really?
indigo valley
How far above 12k does assa go?
opaque tree
thought haste was like the worst stat for M+
slow marsh
12.1
indigo valley
is 12.1 with BS/DS?
slow marsh
i thought you were talking about raid tbh but for m+ i would say crit > vers maybe? don't think it matters
bs/ds is only ~50 over ep / mfd so
kyrian sub with double daggers is insane and nothing will beat it if that's what you're asking
indigo valley
I was more just wondering how close im getting gear wise
prisma monolithBOT
Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message
severe sparrow
alright, here. hey everyone, i've been trying to be better and ran into my parses not being good but can't figure out what's going on. I tried fixing it by [method a/b/c] but couldn't. im pretty sure im gimping myself by refreshing bleeds during shiv and being trash at keeping dots up on anything more than single target. Help/confirm? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xwFPmcnfKz24G7jq/#fight=last
on that note, i mostly just refresh the bleeds when they hit pandemic window, but how do i play better around that when a bleed is a bit outside the window but less than 9s and shiv comes up? reapply outside window then shiv, or shiv and waste a little time?
edit: also should i macro salvaged fusion amp to something other than mut?
slow marsh
Does Assassination use Deathly shadows?
no
strange python
k thanks
kindred rapids
<:sus:772941294115749918> alright, here. hey everyone, i've been trying to be be...
You don't really, just press your buttons
Only thing to do is pool correctly
severe sparrow
im pretty sure i was told here that pooling didnt really matter and was technically only a small dps increase
shit if that's it im gonna feel like an idiot
slow marsh
na its not
balmy condor
Lynari Log
young spade
Anyone know how viable the grim codex is in m+?
storm forum
My rogue came out of retirement for KT prog (we needed a dps for the downstairs phase) and I wanted to thank whispyr for maintaining the faq/pins and everyone who asked/answered questions that I found in the logs. I got up to speed really fast and wasn't totally dead weight. 🙂
timid cloud
Anyone know how viable the grim codex is in m+?
It’s usable, but not ideal.
All of the M+ trinkets suck just about except Phial, Totem, Ooze, & Decanter.
meager swallow
Hey guys, I seem to be parsing rather low for my gear level and spec, and I'm looking to increase my parse going forward; I want to improve. I average about 7.5 ~ 8k dps on Mythic Eye ~ the Nine in my guild, which is less than 30%. my stats are sitting as follows: 43% crit 18% haste 20% mastery and 6% verse. I have max ranked Winds Domination gems as well as maxed rank unholy and blood dps gems.
WoW analyzer says one of my biggest issues is downtime. what are some of the big sim traps you all have found?
hollow river
Hey guys, I seem to be parsing rather low for my gear level and spec, and I'm lo...
I wouldn’t worry so much about stat weights, we just use sims mainly as a tool to pick our gear/talents/soul binds etc etc
Should definitely be using Frost shard set, if progressing Mythic
Biggest thing I would focus on is studying the guides
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
hollow river
IceyVeins is very good, also Method guide
Method even has small guides for every individual boss, for every spec
Other than that, post a link to one of your logs and I’m sure someone would be willing to take a look
timid cloud
You shouldn’t really need the blood set to prog, it’s decent but you also get decent healing / absorb from Winds since it does give you the shield based on the spike damage.
hollow river
You shouldn’t really need the blood set to prog, it’s decent but you also get de...
They said they have all 3 maxed
Oh
Oops
I thought I was still in #subtlety
timid cloud
LOL I was about to say...
timid cloud
timid cloud
You said what you said.
hollow river
timid cloud
gusty mirage
tomorrow hopefully
tribal mauve
<@!629463378250956810> best pull was 45.1%
hollow river
<@!629463378250956810> best pull was 45.1%
You got this bro
We got to p3 a few times....
Don’t know if I can keep going
gusty mirage
You got this bro
hollow river
So close
timid cloud
What's the plugin for SIMC for crit / haste teas for Theo?
sudden canyon
how do you time shadowstep for malevolance on remanant
timid cloud
Don't be near the edge.
gusty mirage
What's the plugin for SIMC for crit / haste teas for Theo?
profileset."versatility"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=versatility"
profileset."crit"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit"
profileset."haste"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=haste"```If you are having a mass dispel go out, get the WA for it.
timid cloud
```profileset."primary"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=primary"
profileset."vers...
Ty my brudda.
gusty mirage
how do you time shadowstep for malevolance on remanant
you can stand on the edge if you want, but turn to the side so you go outward across the platform instead of directly out
gusty mirage
Ty my brudda.
but a few yards don't even matter
don't stand right on the edge otherwise you have to time it right as the mass goes off
and that's finnicky
timid cloud
The only worrisome part about being on the edge is that you get the "No path" issue to where even if you're in range you will die simply because the game has you in oblivion.
You can also Cloak it at the literal very last second if you really must.
I normally if I'm outside, I target my partner just in case & shadowstep to them instantly when my weakaura shows the dispel cast bar.
sudden canyon
i have the WA. is it okay to cast shadowstep at .1 sec
timid cloud
You have to do it after, otherwise you're outtie 5000.
gusty mirage
i have the WA. is it okay to cast shadowstep at .1 sec
just face that way
you'll have plenty of time to shadowstep
gusty mirage
Did I goof?
gotta run it in advanced pretty sure
so you take your simc input, toss it in an advance sim
and toss the buff you're looking for under it
drifting cloud
lol
gusty mirage
lol
I'mma need the ryler magic for tomorrow
my CDs were all over the place in p3 and it was tilting me
glass tulip
Oxi how many pulls are you guys at
drifting cloud
you lust after veil on 4th platform?
gusty mirage
yeah we do
gusty mirage
Oxi how many pulls are you guys at
glass tulip
not bad, not bad
drifting cloud
and you still do cds after veil on 2nd burn I assume?
gusty mirage
I didn't get my CDs back until the tail end of lust
yeah
I think its because I'm trying to squeeze in CDs when I probably shouldn't
drifting cloud
nah its just that tight when you use like that on 2nd burn
oak sky
just always cd after veil and flag on cd
drifting cloud
I told you, you have to mash vendetta on cd in p3 😛
oak sky
if you vendetta after veil each time you get at least the 2nd half of lust
drifting cloud
but when you do flag after veil on 2nd burn aswell its hard to get 4 flag casts in p3
oak sky
which is just as good as the first half
drifting cloud
so you can just always go for the sync
oak sky
wat
oak sky
but i used vendetta at start of burn 2
gusty mirage
@drifting cloud I DM'd you the log
oak sky
the p3 use is just right after veil on each platform for the most uptime
this is mine
i think its missing one
idk
drifting cloud
1 cast in p2 
drifting cloud
but it says all targets
gusty mirage
ye I held a little too long I think
also desynced shiv on p2 2nd burn
feels fucking bad
actually looking at these cast times is tragic 
hollow river
Making me wonder if I should change things up here guys...
hollow river
We changed shit around again today...
fallen arch
Fucken boomies
hollow river
I’m not getting a 2nd vendetta in p1 again
So I’m entering p1.5 at like... 7.8k dps
Instead of 9k+
Getting ready to go kyrian outlaw or sub tbh
If I don’t quit the game in the next few days
hollow river
Yes it’s possible
gusty mirage
how are you not getting 2nd vendetta in p1
Stop dps is called usually
hollow river
If I don’t send it straight into 3rd veil
oak sky
yeah but send it straight into 3rd veil
gusty mirage
I never get full value out of my 2nd vendetta in p1
oak sky
vendetta> no vendetta
gusty mirage
Meters are whatever
I just do it to maximize my CD usage
Idc if I’m first or last tbh
I just want the boss to die
gusty mirage
I’m sure you’re doing fine
gusty mirage
not as tragic as whatever this nf boomie is doing
Ye im not sure what he’s doing or our 2nd havoc
It’s actually wild how little damage they do
drifting cloud
well atleast the havoc was dead
this boomie is just mashing random buttons
3 convoke casts p2+3 combined
hollow river
Rofl
drifting cloud
and incarn not even used in lust
hollow river
When ryler goes in he’s coming for the kill yo
gusty mirage
It’s greatly appreciated because that might have been the kill tbh
drifting cloud
I mean p3 is so scripted for dps you really dont have any excuses
you shouldnt have to wipe at 45.1% or whatever
gusty mirage
.1% wipe an incarn convoke would be the diff I think
drifting cloud
before people figure out when to press cds
warm drift
Hi, how is necro performing on mythic sylvanas?
hollow river
.1% wipe an incarn convoke would be the diff I think
Better hit em with the Toxi tmrw
Have a feeling my raid is on the verge of imploding tbh
gusty mirage
Nah he’s super nice, but I might just offer to sift through logs with people or something. Maybe get the RL to talk to dif people or something
gusty mirage
Have a feeling my raid is on the verge of imploding tbh
Honestly they just need to stay patient
Stop getting people switching and shit and just kill it with what you have
hollow river
Well
warm drift
So i'm not gimping my raid in rekill if i go necro😂?
hollow river
I can’t control any of that
gusty mirage
I can’t control any of that
Ye true. Have you tried reaching out to the RL at all?
gusty mirage
That’s a yikes tbh
hollow river
Pretty sure they look at most of us as a means to an end ya feel me
gusty mirage
My RL is great about taking people’s opinions
hollow river
I mean this guy is too don’t get me wrong
But the past couple weeks things have started to take on a weird vibe
gusty mirage
Did you guys set an arbitrary “kill by date” or pull count?
gusty mirage
Because I mean if you’re getting to p3 it’s inevitable you’ll get it
People just need to be patient and muster up whatever brain wrinkles they have available for the kill
hollow river
We don’t raid next week because of thanksgiving
If we don’t kill this week
I don’t think we kill
south hollow
a one week break might help you kill it tho
hollow river
I highly doubt it
I mean there’s a small chance sure
But
Half of the raid after an 8 minute break
Comes back with 75% less brain cells
south hollow
it used to be like that for us too
then we made our breaks 10 mins
we used to have 5
most ppl dont even get up
to drink water or get fresh air
hollow river
Idk I think we’re all just ready to be done with it
south hollow
you just need that one pull
hollow river
In a bad way
keen garden
All this time I spent trying to get away from feral, went to so many other classes and thought 'wow, this sin thing is pretty cool'. With crimson tempest I feel like I'm literally right back to feral lol. I had such hopes poison bomb would work
balmy condor
I mean poison bomb is still the go to in raids
keen garden
I didn't have a point, I just noticed that the hotbar was nearly identical - didn't realize just how close they were playing rn other than convoke
drifting cloud
feral has been worse, harder to play assa rogue for like 3 xpacs
keen garden
Poison bomb being the goto in raids actually makes it feel more similar (remove primal wrath for BS in raids also)
timid cloud
Feral is a discounted Rogue, because Rogue has all of the quality of life buffs that Feral wish it had.
grim hornet
if weapon is not 252, i would just sim
wooden dawn
Seeing some 27 keys being timed with night fae / cov Lego sin anyone testing it or playing want to talk about it?
wooden dawn
its just neat man idk
timid cloud
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xyAAAmuuvWUYiKP6yagXn4
Are you simming for single target or dungeons?
wooden dawn
Exciting to play some diff shit
viscid schooner
Are you simming for single target or dungeons?
For m+
timid cloud
Probably the weapon.
You’d use it for longer until you replace it.
Cause you have to get 2.
pseudo hamlet
How are you guys simming the Titanic Ocular Gland? 80-90%? I noticed it in my vault for the first time(got 246 phial + 252 IQD already).
drifting cloud
95 or 100
dawn ivy
this tier doesnt have many rot fights that keep you below 50% for very long
oak sky
zerocool making nonsense again
i knew it was coming
dawn ivy
on a wipe, sure. but in most cases you're either dead or full hp
pseudo hamlet
Thanks guys!
timid cloud
Next is Master Poisoner...
oak sky
is someone doing that?
timid cloud
oak sky
ohhhhh boy
balmy condor
And was like “overall was lower than normal but I pumped bosses”
oak sky
pump bosses harder without mp 
timid cloud
Good times.
pseudo hamlet
Going with the eye, the ~43dps difference isn't that high considering that IQD requires some thinking to use compared to just wearing the Eye trinket. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cK9ytfNVBkP2yn478Dqnv
(and keep in mind I went with 100% chance on the IQD 😛 )
grim hornet
hey, some peeps on sub channel asking if envenom is affected by mastery... i thought it was only poisons and bleeds
timid cloud
balmy condor
first sylv dagger since SoD release
grim hornet
hey, some peeps on sub channel asking if envenom is affected by mastery... i tho...
Can someone confirm if envenom is affected by mastery or not, please? ^^
balmy condor
It is
grim hornet
ty boss ❤️
uneven summit
So they fixed Nadija, and theotar is still better, is it ONLY with crit tea or?
small basin
do you ever wanna finish at lower than 4 cp with flag up to get more stacks?
balmy condor
I regularly finish on 4 on sub like a clown because I’m hard wired to not overcap
small basin
so not with assa then
balmy condor
Nah
Just finish at 4
I read it at first like a “I know I shouldn’t but do you ever get the feeling” kind of thing
Instead of an actual question
My bad
small basin
yeah just sometimes im at 3 cp and flag is ending
was wondering if a 3 p envenom is worth for 3 stacks
uneven summit
Nadija timings on sylvanas is decent, no?
balmy condor
3 is basically neutral
balmy condor
Nadija timings on sylvanas is decent, no?
I don’t think they are but I also haven’t played nadjia since 9.0.5
slow marsh
Theo is better for sylv anyways just for LP + umbrella
I would imagine
Imagine having fatal proc and you have to hop platforms for wailing arrow. Yikes
uneven summit
true
slow marsh
Theotar is the homie man idk what to say
hollow dirge
Theo is better for sylv anyways just for LP + umbrella
Probably is, but losing uptime on umbrella is a common occurance too, just like fatal
slow marsh
Losing uptime on umbrella is not nearly as big of a loss as thrill/fatal
hollow dirge
For sure
slow marsh
zerocool making nonsense again
What he do this time? Weird talent build and high parse with it ?
balmy condor
Night fae
warm drift
What soulbind would u play as necro on sylvanas? Logs are mixed
balmy condor
Heirmir
slow marsh
Is he actually playing NF or is he just farming renown
balmy condor
He’s probably testing it for fun
slow marsh
I played that shit for 30mins and gave up
Opener by itself is so scuffed
You can get mega damage for 10 seconds though so that's cool I guess
uneven summit
I can´t really figure out, how much is the umbrella really - i mean it´s allways a nice bonus to get when it procs in a non-movement, but it´s not super big dmg boost right?
slow marsh
I mean it's 500 something mastery so it's not nothing but it's also not where a lot of the strength of the soulbind is compared to nadjia and thrill
You for sure want to try and stand in umbrella if you can, especially during shiv windows. But if you can't then it's fine. Like you don't want to lose uptime on the boss or get hit by stuff just to stand in it
quasi venture
https://i.imgur.com/irUVyHM.jpeg about time 
soft shale
never lose hope
limber lion
Gimme
indigo ginkgo
buuf exsaguinate blizard, need to play same diferent talents, it would be nice if new set buff exsaguinate so we can use it ajaaj
limber lion
yes.
soft shale
you can look at videos of 400% exsang
strange python
Phial > 2nd boss trink? (mythic) in sims they are really equal but I'm actually at 45% crit with theo tea so...
maybe 49 is too much?
limber lion
A 252 phial is the best trinket in the game. A case can be made for the Ocular Gland at 252 vs a 246 Phial
strange python
that's the case, vault usually sucks 🙂
limber lion
maybe 49 is too much?
Just follow your sims, not your instinct.
limber lion
I personally just always use 246 phial and 252 fusion amp
nimble narwhal
Wonder what ticking sack is going to be like at S3 ilvls
normal mist
Wait, is that dagger part of the sylvanas loottable? You guys joking
I've never seen it, so it doesn't exist
limber lion
Wonder what ticking sack is going to be like at S3 ilvls
Probably very high up there
oak sky
And im competing with 2 dhs
timid cloud
A monk trial took it from us, & then left the guild.
oak sky
We got a bow on our ce kill
oak sky
This is our 3rd reclear week and should be our first reclear of sylv
I really just need any kt or sylv loot
That would make me happy
oak sky
Those would make me the least happy ngl but i would still appreciate getting something
strange python
This is our 3rd reclear week and should be our first reclear of sylv
I've killed her 5 times being the only rogue and still not dagger on her or vault for 5 weeks 😄 with 3 loots of myth
btw today is my bithday and I was like.... maybe today.... but guess what xd....
oak sky
Ive had a couple vaults since we killed her but i havent had the option of any sylv or kt loot yet
Mad unlucky
Good luck with vault next week i guess
arctic hare
The pants.
Pants are sexy, got the heroics last night
safe patrol
what are your thoughts about IQD in raid?
got one 252 but will maybe just stick to my totem 246 which I dont need to line up
it sims great but idk
uneven summit
IQD is fine honestly, has alot of use in different scenarioes
been rocking mine since the beginning of the patch basically, got it in the first chest
You can ofc be unlucky, but in general the odds are in your favour, and you just gotta not use it during stuns or when critically low on health. Also i would say the stats are better than the execute anyday, so you wanna try and use it before execute phase
safe patrol
yeah okey sounds good, do you mostly pop it on cd and let it sync naturally with vendetta or depends of fight?
ofc on pull at least
spice spire
Yeah you’d definitely pop on cooldown
safe patrol
cheers, then I am set. thanks guys
going back to raiding after some months with break
uneven summit
on cd yeah, i have held it a couple of times for the next window, but it depends if there´s downtime in the fight etc obviously
stray mural
DS pre-pull is dead
pure moth
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vnN38Xc9DtwKxrH1#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=12&comparesearchplayer=12&comparesearch=2.10.2.28 is there anything overly wrong with the Guardian fight? i'm pretty sure i played mfd correct here. Should i have lined anything up differently?
spice spire
You held flag too long there unfortunately
Also on opener did you vanish mut envenom mfd envenom?
Iirc you mfd after the ma window as the ma window is pretty much free cp Gen for your flag
pure moth
yeah
spice spire
YeH you’d want to vanish mut envenom mut (if at 4) envenom; if not mut again, then mfd envenom
pure moth
Oh ok
Easy fix then
So i should have done cds.. then flag... then save vendetta /vanish for 3rd flag based on timer. Since i held it and prob missed a cast
spice spire
You didn’t miss a cast - technically. You just didn’t get the benefit from it
You hit a vendetta cast 4s before the end
And flagged 5s before then
So you got almost no benefit from it
pure moth
Oh rip. So bad
spice spire
Also I may be lit on the opener, every log says you did it right 
But for the holding of flag, yeah you unfortunately lost a bit due to timer barely hitting your vendetta window
And outside of that, the usual pain points of, hey you wasted some CP, energy loss on guardian is also pretty rough, since if you have bombs you spend for two seconds step out of group with bomb then shadow step back to boss
mystic garden
Going from a 213 well placed steel to a 252 in one go from mythic tarragrue kill is a feels good
small basin
just farm the rift lol
spice spire
You also may have missed a shiv cast, there were two that ended up delayed
small basin
get all 252 conduits
mystic garden
I mean yeah but that’s like so many conduit levels I just skippped
I’m just saying it is a feels good not that it was the only way lol
gusty mirage
gusty mirage
YeH you’d want to vanish mut envenom mut (if at 4) envenom; if not mut again, th...
It’s mut > env > mfd > env > mut btw
spice spire
I guess mfd let’s you squeeze in the extra? Also already caught myself on this one 
spice spire
NL small brain still doesn’t understand Venthyr galaxy brain
Oh buddy the dms are spicy af
gusty mirage
“Galaxy” 
spice spire
Also I fell asleep during Sylvanas prog, did you guys ever get past the 48% mark?
I was there for the big pull
drifting cloud
gusty mirage
Also I fell asleep during Sylvanas prog, did you guys ever get past the 48% mark...
45.1% wipe
gusty mirage
If I had cloak she dies 
gusty mirage
Solid prog night!
Ye 4 pulls below 50% with only 2 sus pulls after that 45.1% wipe
We go searching for more brain wrinkles before raid and she dies
spice spire
When’s next raid, tonight?
spice spire
CE oxi tonight 
spice spire
Yeah buddy tonight’s the night 
pure moth
And outside of that, the usual pain points of, hey you wasted some CP, energy lo...
Yeah i got bombs alot so energy will be affected there. Good to know i atleast did mfd correct for opener and that sequence.
gusty mirage
Yeah buddy tonight’s the night <:monkascheme:585734083590750219>
Hope so 
spice spire
Yes you did! @pure moth just some timing things and the log looks a lot better
real solar
@gusty mirage
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473>
gusty mirage
y u no kill
Lots of reasons, including one of our gabagool DHs being dead for 2 min
real solar
Ya, u shouldve told him not to die
meager swallow
A few more questions everyone..
Are their any guides on positioning for us on each fight in Mythic? Like I'm good on the eye, I know to just stand and wait on the beam until it reaches x point and then SS past it. But like we do the rotation method on that fight, is there any caveats to squeezing out more dps? We switch at 5 stacks. Is there a good WA to help with funneling WoW stacks? Should I be alternating between Theotar and Nadja on add centric fights?
real solar
u suk
gusty mirage
True
gusty mirage
A few more questions everyone..
Are their any guides on positioning for us on e...
Nah Theo with crit tea is just better than nadjia
As for positioning that’s entirely on an on the fly thing that you’ll get better with the more comfortable you get with the boss fights
meager swallow
Well with prog we've had some position issues for the tank etc. Analyzer is saying I've got too much downtime so I'm really trying to fix that for sure.
gusty mirage
Don’t bother with wowanalyzer it hasn’t been updated properly for rogue since legion
late birch
Did they fix nadjia and if so is theotar still better? but only if you land on crit tea?
gusty mirage
Did they fix nadjia and if so is theotar still better? but only if you land on c...
Ye they hotfixed it Monday night
It’s worth simming still but I think Theo wins even with haste for a lot of people
meager swallow
Well I'm still doing 7.7~8.2k on each fight. At 246 ilvl. Unfortunately I've never gotten the heroic dagger from Sylv.
real solar
The heroic dagger isn’t too important for sin rogues
meager swallow
I didn't think it was. but I've seen some wearing it. I'll definitely try Theotar tonight but the RNG on tea is frustrating.
dark token
Idk I log in and reroll tea until I hit crit before raid
Then if I don't get crit I go nadija
Not very hard
meager swallow
I mean that's fair.
gusty mirage
I didn't think it was. but I've seen some wearing it. I'll definitely try Theota...
Ye you could always switch nadjia if you don’t get crit or haste
gusty mirage
And try again in an hour
dark token
I don't bother rerollint for m+
gusty mirage
Then make it a 4hr cd
dark token
1hr is so you aren't screwed if you swap specs
Or click it off or w/e
They definitely don't want people to reroll and relog until raid lol
small basin
Idk who tf decided 1hr cd was the play on that
worse than you lose it if you switch spec or soulbind
gusty mirage
Yeah except with the wonderful “default everything to first soulbind” when you switch covenants so when you switch specs it auto chooses nadjia
small basin
slyv daggers is only 40 dps over a 249 dagger lol, duno why i even bother trying
gusty mirage
And you lose the tea buff because a monkey coded that
Nothing better than it auto switching nadjia when you over over soulbinds and it says “specializations: assassination, subtlety”
And you’re SOL on the tea for 45 minutes
small basin
yep
its really stupid design
i hate venthyr solely because of the tea lol
i like to swap specs a lot
gusty mirage
I was so confused when that happened tbh
Because nadjia didn’t have a spec
And sub and sim were supposed to default to Theo
small basin
yeah it likes take a second to load your soulbind
gusty mirage
And the game decided nah nadjia
small basin
and they all go to nadija
limber lion
Just make NF great again
drowsy parcel
small basin
agreed
gusty mirage
Just make NF great again
static rock
Ye you could always switch nadjia if you don’t get crit or haste
is agility bad?
drifting cloud
yes
spice spire
Just make NF great again
Based
mystic garden
Is there a weak aura for Theotar shade proc?
I really don’t even notice it with all the crap on the ground half the time
limber lion
I mean they have the same function regardless of class/spec
So just something that tells you when it procs and when you're stood inside of it
The visual is not super accurate
mystic garden
No I’m saying general WA for sin
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
mystic garden
Ty
viscid spear
When are they going to put in a mount like Sky Golem but for Mining?
Or a Skinning one? Can call it the T35-T4.
gusty adder
Granted I cant hit crit-tea, is Nadja-dautless better for Sylv Progress?
spice spire
Yeah, if you don’t hit crit or haste, swap to nadjia
gusty adder
Thanks
!mfd
and the info on mfd ? Or do I stick to good ol' vigor
cant find it in faq
gusty adder
yee
what my sim is showing as well
just havnt played it before
but I save it for shiv every time?
should line up anyway I guess
spice spire
If you’re running obedience, make sure to have mfd in a flag window. Other than that press on cd iirc
gusty adder
dashing venthyr
spice spire
I mean even if not obedience
Be sure to have it in a flag window
That’s the only time you’d hold
spice spire
You do on your flag for opener we went through it earlier
spice spire
It’s mut > env > mfd > env > mut btw
This is your vanish window in opener
gusty mirage
This is your vanish window in opener
gusty adder
Aight
alpine latch
Get your shit together Quake!
spice spire
It’s early
remote valley
I have a question, for M+ what would be the best rotation to use on 3+ targets. Should I spam knives and use crimson on 5? or ruptre?
outer cairn
EP/MfD worked well against Eye and Nerzhul, but the Nine seemed a bit more rough without having Vigor to help out energy. I'm used to playing EP/Vigor so I think it might be a pooling thing. I saw Whispyr do a log review the other night. I'm looking to improve my overall play and ensure I'm not making little mistakes that is costing me damage. Example, on Eye, the rogue who typically always beats me, beat me pretty good. But on Nerzhul, most pulls I was top damage. Same build and talents so there is something about Eye I'm possibly screwing up and it oculd simply be the target swapping or not throwing a rupture up on the add fast enough. Not sure. I've only been playing the Obedience + MfD for about a week now
arctic hare
EP/MfD worked well against Eye and Nerzhul, but the Nine seemed a bit more rough...
Does thou not keep ruptures and garrotes on both enemys in the beginning of the nine fight
spice spire
I have a question, for M+ what would be the best rotation to use on 3+ targets. ...
Assuming you’re running subterfuge and CT.
You’ll open with triple garrote, into fok > CT>Mut (if needed, second mut) rupture, and then keep up ruptured, SnD and CT
gusty mirage
I have a question, for M+ what would be the best rotation to use on 3+ targets. ...
you don't fok on 3 unless you need to reapply poisons
spice spire
But yeah at 3 targets fok is solely used to apply poisons, we don’t spam
spice spire
On it
gusty mirage
half naked? you pick the half?
spice spire
EP/MfD worked well against Eye and Nerzhul, but the Nine seemed a bit more rough...
Small things happen for the eye, like are you shadow stepping the boss compared to just using chains?
spice spire
half naked? you pick the half?
Bro?
gusty mirage
Yeah bro?
remote valley
Assuming you’re running subterfuge and CT.
You’ll open with triple garrote, into...
perfect, ty!