assassination

[bleak spoke]

but like, say you have a sub rogue, the most clear thing is dance and even that's just a kinda light purple glow and nothing else

[clever kindle]

blizzard just wanted to esport-ize their games

Yeah and adrenaline rush before

[bleak spoke]

AR has a really nice sound cue imo but like, that's more for players than viewers

[clever kindle]

I forget what the original animation was, something small over your head I think

the dbz kaioken animation is much cooler

[placid pagoda]

my sim puts Nadjia 300+ dps higher than theo

[sinful cradle]

pretty sure youre simming something wrong

[limber lion]

You simmed it wrong.

But just follow your sims.

Doesn't really matter.

Use Theo now and whatever is ahead when FF gets fixed.

[bleak spoke]

mannnnn why is sepsis numerically garbage, am doing my nf renown right now for futureproofing and it's actually such a fun button to press

[sinful cradle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8zufVBkMzTkr9UEdkogJH8

[bleak spoke]

but it's actually so far behind idek

https://i.imgur.com/p0OZvvI.png

[sinful cradle]

36 dps less

[placid pagoda]

Ah what did i do wrong? I know i added some other stuff to it but doing a theo vs nadjia sim now

[sinful cradle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8zufVBkMzTkr9UEdkogJH8 added LP conduit

[limber lion]

You don't have a third potency...

[placid pagoda]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o9pQo6ogAUC6ybELCaDgwn thats with third, 8 dps less i guess

[spice spire]

that was what I missed

Can’t believe it

[limber lion]

@placid pagoda

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kYRLZzzMxJVekF25GLuNAS

Here

Not only is Theotar better

Dashing is better as well

[bleak spoke]

if theotar is better by 8 dps then soothing shade feels kinda trap except on guardian probably

[placid pagoda]

How the fuck have i simmed that so wrong

thanks cev

[limber lion]

Sure

What about Thrill Seeker

What about FF

[bleak spoke]

i mean you're basically guaranteed to get those buffs right

unless they're also bugged

[limber lion]

?

Yes

[bleak spoke]

unless they're bugged*

[limber lion]

You'll get them

But you might get them during dogshit hours

Like during Sylvanas intermission

[bleak spoke]

yeah the sim accounts for that though

[limber lion]

During Painsmith intermission

During Fatescribe runes

Etc

[limber lion]

?????

[bleak spoke]

the sim doesn't account for you walking out of your shade unless you make it right

[limber lion]

The sim does not account for mechaniucs

that happen

during encounters

[placid pagoda]

Did you add in anything different Cev, i am a rookie at simming or did i just miss potency

[limber lion]

potency and different legendary

[bleak spoke]

i was typing b4 you clarified, thought you meant like, when youre not in cds

[limber lion]

agi pot

[bleak spoke]

and still hitting boss

[limber lion]

and sharpening stones as well

[bleak spoke]

my point is that no matter what a buff that isn't tied to the ground but to your character has to be more mechanic proof

[limber lion]

?

[bleak spoke]

all things being equal

[limber lion]

Like said

[placid pagoda]

Thank you, good to learn from the best!

[limber lion]

It depends on the encounter.

Painsmith is notorious for wasting Thrill Seeker

and unholy procs

[limber lion]

No worries

[placid pagoda]

would you recommend CT on FS for the ad phase

[bleak spoke]

painsmith pretty good at wasting soothing shade too though tbh

[placid pagoda]

imo they dont live long enough for value right?

[bleak spoke]

the amount of times

i hit the boss on pull

and then it's moved to spot and my shade's where he spawned

[limber lion]

Just stick to PB for slightly bit more damage during the P3 burn

[limber lion]

Sure

But you do realize

that Thrill Seeker has infinitely more power tied to it

than the shade does?

[bleak spoke]

yeh

[limber lion]

You missing one shade

compared to missing a thrill seeker

is not even comparable

not getting thrill seeker/fatal flaw is like mega giga bad

missing one shade is not as bad

but yeah

both are rng shits, what can you do

[bleak spoke]

yeah moral of the story is game suck pls give reliable stuff mr. blizzard

[limber lion]

I'd much rather play with Korayn

for consistency

too bad NF is bad and soulbinds are bad

and everything is bad

[bleak spoke]

yeah it's too bad nf is awful

literally over 1k dps behind for me, and that's with dreamweaver, korayn even worse, though probably in practice around the same if you can get value off first strike

[limber lion]

Dreamwaver is similar to Theotar

with the aoe zone

[bleak spoke]

yeh

at least you get to choose tho

[limber lion]

Sure, but not really

[bleak spoke]

well yeah

[limber lion]

Korayn is the perfect soulbind

but it's bad

[bleak spoke]

but i would like theotar more if it was tied to the flag cast for sure

[limber lion]

Also Thrill Seeker on something like Guardian is kinda bad

Because it procs at 80s intervals

But our cds are 120s

There's a chance you get a shade on your opener/burst windows

which is giga deeps

but likely won't get that with Thrill Seeker

Unless it's a long encounter or has adds.

I do enjoy Nadja on Sylvanas, usually Thrill Seeker matches up with second set of cds during p3.

[bleak spoke]

yeh, timers are weird for sure on thrill seeker

[magic tendon]

I have a question

[limber lion]

what's up

[slow marsh]

No

[magic tendon]

How to enjoy assas pve?

[slow marsh]

Do big dam

[magic tendon]

Yes

[limber lion]

we can't answer that question for you

some people enjoy it, some people don't.

You don't have to like it

[magic tendon]

Welp I like rogue for pvp only but I feel like I have to play pve too.

[bleak spoke]

if you don't like assa pve, there's 35 other specs you might enjoy instead

[limber lion]

I personally enjoy Assa the most in every type of content

Buuuut it's not for everyone

I mean you can play something like Sub in PvE if you have to do PvE

Sub is dank

[magic tendon]

I like sub pve

[slow marsh]

Imo sin is more fun than people let on but I like to think I'm a dirty min maxer so I'd rather minmax a smaller toolkit vs trying to keep up with a million rng procs

[pallid bough]

Yo cev, MfD better now?

[limber lion]

there you go then

[bitter aurora]

So play sub pve

[magic tendon]

But get depressed when smol numbers

[limber lion]

Yes

[bitter aurora]

Then you;re doing it wrong

[pallid bough]

How much?

[limber lion]

Sub does more damage than Assa in all content

[bleak spoke]

wat sub make bigger number than sin right now

[pallid bough]

On average

[limber lion]

Quite a bit, you should sim it.

Sim Vigor/MfD with Dashing and Obedience.

[magic tendon]

But top tierlists say that assa is above sub

[bleak spoke]

huh

[limber lion]

top tierlists

[pallid bough]

Hmm kk

[limber lion]

what does that mean

[magic tendon]

Actually nr 1

[limber lion]

I haven't seen a single tier list where assa is above sub

[magic tendon]

Top dps tierlists

1 se

[limber lion]

what are top dps tierlists

[magic tendon]

Sec

[limber lion]

wat

there's a million scuffed ass tier lists on the internet

[spice spire]

Tierlists aren’t a good metric for deciding your dps choices

[bitter aurora]

Both simc and subcreation has sub ahead. what list are you even talking about

[spice spire]

I’d venture to say no tier list is strictly correct. Even stats from all fights on logs are bloated through specific fights

[limber lion]

Even the tier list creators in Wowhead disagree with the most current tier list

[bleak spoke]

if you must use one, warcraftlogs will tell you pretty clearly what the peak of the spec is

should just play what you find fun though

[limber lion]

what is this

[spice spire]

Is that

Noxxic

[bleak spoke]

[limber lion]

you have to be kidding me

[toxic quail]

no shot

[bitter aurora]

He's obviously trolling

[magic tendon]

Can’t post links

Wowmeta

[limber lion]

stop looking at scuffed tier lists like that

[spice spire]

You can post links

Even then, yeah not good

[limber lion]

it's okay, he got hit by the bot

[bleak spoke]

the most fried bit of that is boomie at the bottom

[spice spire]

Ahhhh

[limber lion]

you honestly think

that balance druid is one of the worst dps specs?

because let me tell you, it's not

it's literally the best spec

[bleak spoke]

like everything is scuffed but that's just the

[limber lion]

in the game

[bleak spoke]

yeah

[cobalt pelican]

wowmeta still on the filter heheh

[bleak spoke]

boomie is far and away

[cobalt pelican]

i wonder where that site even gets circulated at this point

[limber lion]

I'm not even sure what those numbers are

anyways

stop looking at tier lists

[magic tendon]

What site would u recomend?

[spice spire]

This is the tettles tierlist. Baiting more buffs

[limber lion]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/28

Here's a tier list for you

[placid pagoda]

@limber lion 29 stacks on opener, thank you those changes helped massivel

[limber lion]

oh lookie, it's the subby boy at the top

[limber lion]

Great!

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

Warcraftlogs, per fight. Is a good indicator

[magic tendon]

So assas

[bitter aurora]

😆

[magic tendon]

Is 79 and sub is 80?

[bleak spoke]

honestly, i dont see anything wrong with balance right now 🙂

[limber lion]

In raid

overall

yes

[magic tendon]

Play pvp

[bleak spoke]

either the spec or the state of the game 🙂

[limber lion]

with all externals

and everything

[bitter aurora]

All 3 specs are fine in raid and m+. play your rfavorite.

[limber lion]

warcraftlogs doesn't tell the truth either

just play whatever you want

doesn't really matter

but fact is

that sub does more damage than assa

in all content

[magic tendon]

Well I want to play guardian for dps

[bleak spoke]

no ty i already get monk'd in keys no need to get monk'd in arena too 🙂

[limber lion]

guardian for dps?

what does that mean

[magic tendon]

Yes

My dream

Drood tank

[limber lion]

guardian druid?

[magic tendon]

For dps

[limber lion]

oh boy

go for it

[magic tendon]

Yes

[limber lion]

have fun

[magic tendon]

I tried

[limber lion]

[magic tendon]

But can’t get past

3k

[limber lion]

unlucky

[slow marsh]

Play feral and do 4k

[bleak spoke]

consider crashing and/or thrashing more

[spice spire]

Feral pumps tho

The heck

[limber lion]

Feral actually does giga damage

[magic tendon]

Isn’t 1 min feral good?

Or necro

Atleast

[willow prairie]

Ask for pi

[bleak spoke]

feral is actually the highest st sim pretty sure

[limber lion]

don't think so

[magic tendon]

I always

[limber lion]

anyways

[magic tendon]

Spend all my hard earned

Rage

On trash

[limber lion]

getting off-topic, feel free to rage about guardian druid dps in #wow-general

[magic tendon]

Never ironfur

Ok

#buffbearvoke

Cya

[slow marsh]

So how about those shivs

[spice spire]

On CD brother

Pumping

[slow marsh]

I was thinking the other day

With as much crit as we have

[magic tendon]

Ok off general is dead, is the shiv lego good?

[spice spire]

No

[slow marsh]

Would it be worth at all to finish then shiv

Since it procs 2 so often

[limber lion]

procs 2 of what?

[slow marsh]

Cp

[limber lion]

definitely not

I mean you have to play smartly

If you know Shiv is coming off cd in a few seconds

You build to 3cp

instead of 4

[spice spire]

Some might even say

You pool

[limber lion]

you don't pool on 5 cp when shiv is coming off cd

you pool on 3 cp instead

[magic tendon]

WAIT, is my 4% haste the problem of my dps?

[limber lion]

if possible

[limber lion]

no.

[magic tendon]

Welp I watched 20 guides on how to do dmg

[bleak spoke]

or just shiv at 2 and complain when you don't crit

[magic tendon]

And tested ur opener too cev

[limber lion]

sick

[bleak spoke]

it's a time honored classic

[magic tendon]

Still no dps increase

[slow marsh]

Was just wondering what the cp value is worth now that it's a but more consistent is all nbd

[limber lion]

might have to think about other things as well

not just the opener

[magic tendon]

I should get some haste tho, shouldn’t I?

[limber lion]

sim yourself.

[magic tendon]

Did it

[limber lion]

cute

[magic tendon]

Says 5k dps

[limber lion]

what did it say

[magic tendon]

When I can only do 3

[bleak spoke]

don't think your crit really changes the fundamental aims, which is to manage your energy in a way that you're put into as few situations where you waste cp as possible

[limber lion]

ripperino pepperino

might wanna get some gear first

[magic tendon]

Well I have ilvl 220 in pve ofc

[limber lion]

before getting fixated about dps

[magic tendon]

In pvp that’s a whole different story

[limber lion]

okay enough with the trolling now

[magic tendon]

No, I am serious my ilvl is 220

[limber lion]

I'm slowly getting a bit tired of it

Well, stop looking at dps and whatnot

and get more gear

[magic tendon]

Ok

[limber lion]

worry about your dps when you're 245+ ilvl

with t5 frost shards

[magic tendon]

Ok let me go die

[limber lion]

and bis legendaries

@shrewd night

hallo

[shrewd night]

[spice spire]

Midstream policeman koffing

[shrewd night]

My senses was tingling.

[slow marsh]

Weeeeewooooo

[spice spire]

Ngl been listening to the heater music since I messaged

[pallid bough]

Koffing with facecam

[spice spire]

You’re giving bangers today

[pallid bough]

God damn

[spice spire]

Anyway

[pallid bough]

What a glorious man

[spice spire]

Back to pooling

[pallid bough]

@limber lion is mfd better for sylv prog?

[limber lion]

Yes

[pallid bough]

How is it better now?

[limber lion]

You just have to play it well

Some apl optimization was done to it

[pallid bough]

Like is it due to flag?

[limber lion]

That was supposed to be done in 9.1

but was kind of forgotten about

[slow marsh]

Is night fae good for sylv prog

[limber lion]

sure

[slow marsh]

Tbh we should auto delete any message with night fae or NF in it

[limber lion]

nah it's gucci

I can start playing again in 9.2 when NF is bis again

[spice spire]

Night fae has some good things going for it. It’s just lacking compared still.

[slow marsh]

Doubt

[brazen zodiac]

im praying

[placid pagoda]

you recon they'll tune it again?

[spice spire]

9.2 NF 20000000000 damage burst omega Ceverion hack

[brazen zodiac]

every night

[slow marsh]

NF doesn't give anything that the others give and more

[brazen zodiac]

if i don't get to live my dream as a frog i don't wanna live

[limber lion]

who knows, toss a dart at a wall and pray it lands

[slow marsh]

Like mastery whoopdidoo

[brazen zodiac]

just watch ice

they gonna make nf so broken

[magic tendon]

Noo

But like

[slow marsh]

If they give korayn some stupid conduit and rework sepsis maybe

[magic tendon]

Why on every class the furries are the best?

Or will be

[slow marsh]

But sepsis needs reworked for NF to be playable

[magic tendon]

I ask u a question how would u rework it?

[limber lion]

I don't think it needs a rework

It just needs balancing

When we get rid of the domination shards

we won't be running 50% crit anymore

[magic tendon]

Cause too much bleed dmg will result in the hunt like

Thinghy

[slow marsh]

Won't matter though we still will have better options in venth and necro

[limber lion]

Sepsis is fine, but it just needs number tuning.

[slow marsh]

It needs the stealth part reworked

[spice spire]

Optimized NF opener is some cursed shit though

[limber lion]

Maybe

It could definitely be more exciting

[quasi grotto]

vers again for sylv kill

[spice spire]

But we’re already a bit demonic as is

[slow marsh]

Or at least for it to proc stealth factors

[quasi grotto]

FML

[limber lion]

It's quite possibly one of the most boring covenant abilities

[limber lion]

I love it.

[slow marsh]

It really is

[limber lion]

Sepsis + Shiv + Vanish optimization is fun

[slow marsh]

You waste so much

[spice spire]

Wait hold

[limber lion]

Holding.

[slow marsh]

The fact you're forced to either waste sepsis damage, cp efficiency, or ma is cursed

[spice spire]

it's mut sepsis shiv snd gar mut rup vend mut vanish mut env mut ambush env

[brazen zodiac]

no plz

don't remind me

[magic tendon]

What should I pick between necro and venthyr they both seem good and fun

[limber lion]

Why are you wasting all of that?

[limber lion]

Venthyr

[brazen zodiac]

Idk nerco seems super fun tbh

[spice spire]

Per sims that whispyr had to do like Saturday

[magic tendon]

Im thinking of necro

Only because

[slow marsh]

It does the most damage up front, so you want sepsis up asap for ma ticks

[brazen zodiac]

It's like a 300 dps loss from venthyr but like

[magic tendon]

I might wanna pvp too

[brazen zodiac]

U throw big green balls so

[slow marsh]

You want all of it in shiv

[spice spire]

Necro is super fun, but venthyr is damage wise better

[slow marsh]

But you also need bleeds up for regen

[brazen zodiac]

I can't wait to start sub kyrian

Haha

[spice spire]

[brazen zodiac]

Can't get it to sim higher than my sin tho idk

[spice spire]

Kyrian sub doesn’t seem too bad ngl

[placid pagoda]

cev why is my sim so much lower than yours from earlier? What am i missing?https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o9pQo6ogAUC6ybELCaDgwn

[limber lion]

I mean sounds pretty dank to me

Can't wait to do a different opener

than the one I've done for 16 months now

[brazen zodiac]

It's always fun doing new stuff!

[spice spire]

It certainly is dank

[slow marsh]

Lol same honestly

[brazen zodiac]

I really dig the sub opener

[spice spire]

And that’s super fair

But that’s some really cursed shit

Shiv before snd seems so bad but that’s optimized to a T

[limber lion]

Definitely breaks all the rules

[brazen zodiac]

Shiv befode

?

[spice spire]

Auto correct, fixed

Snd wants to go to and

[slow marsh]

Could you just mut snd mut gar rupt then sepsis shiv vendetta vanish!

?

[spice spire]

Whispyr spent a very long time running those sims

Don’t think so -

[slow marsh]

You don't utilize first ma as much but it's cleaner

[spice spire]

Either that or his brain fried

Ask him later

[slow marsh]

I can't

You have to

Or anyone other than me at least

[brazen zodiac]

I give probs to the theorycrafters all that math would make my head fucking explode

props*

[spice spire]

I’ll ask him later

Legit curious

Was farming korthia when he was doing that and got less involved than I wanted to be

[brazen zodiac]

Kt dies tonight quake

[spice spire]

Had to use the new rextroy korthia hack

Yes man

[brazen zodiac]

Yeah? Giga farm yorik.

?

I'm still upset over last week

I kill it if I didn't evasion early

Sigh

[slow marsh]

I'm pretty sure having shiv'ed sepsis in 2 ma windows is nasty burst but the rest of your dots suffer too much from doing it

[spice spire]

No

[brazen zodiac]

Whats the hack? I need Anima lul

[spice spire]

Research? yeah I’ll sent you a video vita

Or a link

[brazen zodiac]

Thx

I'm sure it's something new for 9.1.t

5

[slow marsh]

They nerfed yorik farming

[brazen zodiac]

Game sucks

[spice spire]

New way is more time efficient

But more involved

[brazen zodiac]

Tldr rq?

I just see "10k per hour"

Lmfao wtf

[spice spire]

Rift key, go into the maw. Kill the big green dudes, as they drop the same stuff as rares -

You can get upwards of 16k per hour

[brazen zodiac]

Bouta make a character for every class and do that wtf

That's wild lold

In the maw tho?

[spice spire]

Highest I saw before 50% gains was 4k in one rift

Yeah. Use rift by cave, wormhole to maw

[brazen zodiac]

I never went to the maw in rift phase

Ahhh

[spice spire]

And you’ll make a path

[brazen zodiac]

Neat

But like I could also play poe

[spice spire]

Or you can go to the road - and cípher to venari

[brazen zodiac]

Fuck

[spice spire]

But that’s a little slower

Anyway, this is unethical strats

I’m an ethical gamer I promise 😇

[brazen zodiac]

We do unethical in this business

It's either kt or me quake

At this point

[spice spire]

You got this dog

Best believe it dies tonight

Then a month of Sylvanas hell

Or so

[brazen zodiac]

Ill take 5 months of sylv over a repeat of Thursday

Help me with the math

Kt was at like

10k hp

If I evasion after he hits me for half my hp do I kill him

With 2 eveonoms

Or 3

[spice spire]

At 10k? Possibly one crit

[brazen zodiac]

Bro

[spice spire]

Wait

[brazen zodiac]

I need to take another walk

Fuck

[spice spire]

I’m on db math

2

2 for sure tho

But probably still one crit kills

[brazen zodiac]

It's cause my fucking ui reset so my targets target wasn't set to show me

And my raid started screaming at me so I panic pressed it not peeping 2 people were tanking it

Blame everything but myself the real cope strat

[spice spire]

I mean

[brazen zodiac]

Then again realistically speaking I don't think it should ever get to that kinda point

We had mad dead lul

[spice spire]

The fact that you were even in that position of life or death on one envenom means there were 100000000000000 mistakes before then

[brazen zodiac]

Yeahhhh

That's what my bf said lul

We just lost too many cause idk the adds spawned and it went to shit real quick in last phase

[bleak spoke]

look at it on the bright side, boss might have parried you anyway

and then you'd be really really really upset

[brazen zodiac]

Haha that made me feel better

Thank u!

[spice spire]

Yeah. Like - of course mistake may have happened, but there were a lot of mistakes before then that lead to that

So that’s 100% not a beat yourself up thing

[brazen zodiac]

Yeah 10k hp wild

[spice spire]

You got it tonight

[brazen zodiac]

Idk

[spice spire]

It’s free

[brazen zodiac]

Still should've stayed calm and press my E key lmfao

Owell

I wonder if I get anything

[spice spire]

Easy to be overwhelmed

If you’d clutched you’d be Owed loot

Tbh

[brazen zodiac]

True

Tonight for sure

[spice spire]

[brazen zodiac]

I got gigalucky with fate and soulrenfer

Hopefully kt!!!

Never getting that guardian trinket tho f

[limber lion]

You can have mine

I don't use it

[brazen zodiac]

You're too king

kind*

[limber lion]

[brazen zodiac]

You can have uh

[spice spire]

Also king tho

[brazen zodiac]

I give u the gift of friendship cev

[brazen zodiac]

Tru

E

[north pecan]

Hey kings, would anyone be able to give me feedback on my Guardian parse? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7RF4vdBjG6rbKtmq/#type=damage-done&fight=last&source=4

[split grail]

Trying out Venthyr, when should I use Flag? On cd?

[spice spire]

On CD, but on opener before the first rupture

[limber lion]

Always before a finisher as well.

[split grail]

Roger, danke. I also want the flag leggo, right?

[spice spire]

Sim between that and dashing. Obedience will win out in the end of gearing with mfd

[brazen zodiac]

Mfd so hard

Not rly but

[limber lion]

between that and dashing*

[placid pagoda]

DPS loss to hold flag on Fatescibe ads to hold and save for Fatescribe?

[spice spire]

Yeah

[limber lion]

Always.

[placid pagoda]

good to know

[spice spire]

Thank you Cev

[limber lion]

[timid cloud]

All this talk about Night Fae, none about Master Poisoner. I’m sick of it.

[brazen zodiac]

You got me there

[gusty mirage]

[echo cargo]

New raid week challenge- max parse with off meta

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

[brazen zodiac]

[kind talon]

?????

[timid cloud]

[brazen zodiac]

[vestal knot]

I got some new logs, and I feel like I'm still doing pretty poorly. Anyone want to help me analyze my logs?

[hollow river]

probably best if you just post them, someone that's good at it will take a look at some point.

[vestal knot]

Okay - if anyone who is good wants to tell me why i'm so bad: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2H81gB7dAWqLT3JM

[hollow river]

yo @spice spire what was i supposed to share with you again

a sim between Obe+MFD/Dashing+MFD for my profile specifically?

[spice spire]

Yes

[hollow river]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bjHBv3w23Twvr6b3BFVEqF

lmk what you think

[timid cloud]

🤔

[hollow river]

[timid cloud]

Could use some sockets...RIP no KT pants, but I get it.

[hollow river]

i have KT pants

these sim better

[timid cloud]

They do? Wow.

I had some poo-poo garbage haste mastery pants.

[oak sky]

@spice spire why lowercase

[timid cloud]

So envious of the TOP belt.

[hollow river]

because he's makingitquake

[timid cloud]

We need a sheesh emoji in Discord.

[hollow river]

[timid cloud]

[balmy condor]

[kind talon]

[gusty mirage]

your opener is a bit scuffed

your kill time is also a bit long for heroic eye

idk many that would parse well with a 6min heroic eye kill

you also missed 2 shiv casts in the fight, w/ 6min 6s you should be getting 14 casts you only got 12

your bleed uptimes are okayish but you ideally want to keep them up at least 90%ish

also you're 237 ilvl r4 frost

so that'll put you in a rough place to try to parse well

but based on the context (the group you did it with) you did fineish

missing an enchant on your boots too

and eternal skirmish > stats

[gusty mirage]

opener should be mut > snd > mut > garrote > flag > rupture

Also stop playing Nadjia, fatal flaw is broken right now and she was already losing to theotar before

and switch from vigor to marked for death

[spice spire]

@oak sky zine fucked with me earlier

fixing now, you're the second perosn to ask

[gusty mirage]

hey man

[spice spire]

fixed papi

[gusty mirage]

why are you no longer lowercase?

[spice spire]

fuck you oxi

[gusty mirage]

okay then

[spice spire]

that's why

[gusty mirage]

@stuck knoll I'm being bullied

[spice spire]

I mean I would

[oak sky]

makeitquake

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

the artist formerly known as makeitquake, going forward known as MakeitQuake

[kind talon]

@oak sky

[oak sky]

[oak sky]

You should be a symbol

[gusty mirage]

a symbol of dyz

[spice spire]

what's dyz?

[gusty mirage]

oh its one of the dps shards from the new system introduced in 9.1 Chains of Domination

[oak sky]

👍

[spice spire]

Sick king thanks!

[timid cloud]

[stuck knoll]

who needs it Oxi

[spice spire]

Ur gf

Aka me 🙂

[stuck knoll]

I will change your name

[spice spire]

pls no

it already happened once

[stuck knoll]

It'll happen again if you keep this sass up

[spice spire]

[timid cloud]

[hollow river]

MakeItQuack plzplz

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

[thorny pond]

Just go duck 🦆 dynasty my guy

[spice spire]

no shot

[hollow river]

MakIngCrack

[thorny pond]

Walter Gray Parse

I still love you

[hollow river]

So does kt reset CDs every phase now?

[drifting cloud]

is that a meta bait

[glass wadi]

Why u used Envenom, right after Vanish ?

[hollow river]

No they said they were going to do it, then they said they weren’t. But a guildie told me they went through with it. The fuck is a meta bait?

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

what is your guildie smoking, that was just a thing they were testing on ptr

the actual changes are what happened instead of it

[balmy condor]

they said they were going to do it like 3 months ago and then backed out 2 days later

cause it's a shit idea

[hollow river]

That’s what I told my guildie

K I thought it was horse shit

[spice spire]

murder

[drifting cloud]

hows sylvn @hollow river @gusty mirage @balmy condor

[hollow river]

:beveryfuckingdepressed:

[drifting cloud]

attempts and best?

[gusty mirage]

getting into p3 more consistently

lowest attempt was 62%

[hollow river]

300 pulls.....70%......

[gusty mirage]

so good chance she dies this coming reset

[drifting cloud]

70 is that like platform2 wipe

[hollow river]

Yeah

[thorny pond]

I’m sorry boss

[drifting cloud]

im waiting for friends to start wiping on it

but they getting close to 100 on kt so sylvn should be fun for them

[thorny pond]

Sylv prog is fun if you don’t have to have stupid p1 wipes

[drifting cloud]

fun as in "im pretty sure they cant ever kill it without more nerfs"

[hollow river]

I’m low key ready to bounce

[gusty mirage]

I agree

[timid cloud]

No, they just lowered the HP on everything because if they did that, the fight would be even more of a joke, since you could class stack & just dumpster the fight.

[hollow river]

Yeah I progged and killed it after those changes

[thorny pond]

Nothing hurts worse than a platform 3 wipe then wiping in p1 for 5 straight pulls after

[gusty mirage]

ye that happened to us

we got 5 pulls to 3rd plat

in a row

[drifting cloud]

we wiped in p1 1try before our kill

[gusty mirage]

then wiped in p1 6 times in a row

[thorny pond]

Same actually

[arctic venture]

guys for sin, its frost the BIS shard?

[hollow river]

It’s like fucking luck of the draw

[drifting cloud]

but I assume you just call the wipe when you have 3 deaths?

[hollow river]

Who’s gonna fuck up this time?

[timid cloud]

Yeah, the pulls are either 85% or 1% from the kill LMAO

[thorny pond]

I wish we’d call it if we have any deaths going into p2

[drifting cloud]

lmao thats not worth

youve already spent 4min getting there 😛

[gusty mirage]

ye

[drifting cloud]

its less than 4 getting to p3

[thorny pond]

Feels like if you waste a rez for dumb p1 shit the pull is scuffed

[timid cloud]

You can usually make it an entire P2 without someone.

Since CD's & potions.

[thorny pond]

Yea but p3

[timid cloud]

Not super ideal, but still doable.

[thorny pond]

Down a rez going in

It is doable

But it is morale sucking

[drifting cloud]

you get the 3rd rez shortly after p3 starts

[oak sky]

We had someone with broken gear in p3 and we got it done

Guy did tank damage

[thorny pond]

And we need every single fn one

[timid cloud]

I repaired mid-pull once on Sire prog.

[spice spire]

@thorny pond I gotchu homie, I'll be your inner rage

"It is doable, but not with these fucking apes"

[oak sky]

Legend

[thorny pond]

My rat in a cage?

[vestal knot]

Should I use mutilate always? Even if I vanished at 4 combo points?

[spice spire]

no

[thorny pond]

Envenom

[spice spire]

if you vanished at 4, envenom is the play

[thorny pond]

Don’t over cap

[spice spire]

you were correct there

[drifting cloud]

never press muti at 4, thats one of the biggest mistakes you can make on sin outside of the obvious not pressing abilities at all

[timid cloud]

You can overcap with Shiv, that is the only acceptable overcap.

[thorny pond]

I love pooling

[spice spire]

0 seal fate overcap

[timid cloud]

LOL

[spice spire]

just rng your procs into 0 overcap

[thorny pond]

Show me a kill with 0 overcap and I’ll buy you something nice

[timid cloud]

JUST SIMPLY MUTI 4 & FINISH

[thorny pond]

With all this crit we have

[spice spire]

bet @thorny pond

[oak sky]

The goal is 0 overcap but seal fate

[spice spire]

literally gonna auto the boss once, die

free something nice

[thorny pond]

Listen here

I’m invoking the spirit of Christmas

[timid cloud]

You can't overcap if your Shiv get parried.

[thorny pond]

And you pull this shit

[timid cloud]

[glass wadi]

We use vanish in our ration for extra CP, instead of Ambush. Do it after Envenom for not overcapping.

[spice spire]

instead of what @glass wadi ?

[timid cloud]

HUH?

[vestal knot]

I thought we used it for the crit chance on envenom

or mutilate that makes sense

[timid cloud]

[spice spire]

@vestal knot the biggest gain to use is on cd, where it happens to lie is where you work it in. you do want to attempt to use mut with it, because the higher cp gain is a bigger gain than a bigger envenom

but while learning and still going through the spec, just pop it on cd and fall where it may for now

[glass wadi]

Ambush gives you 3cp, while Mutilate 4cp.
I tho we used this combo for extra time on Flag, right after Vendetta.

[spice spire]

no I see what you're saying

his question was regarding what someone said earlier about "why did you envenom after vanish"

he had the right idea, ambush threw me off though

I see what you're saying now* is the better response

[glass wadi]

🙂

[vestal knot]

interesting so if I can do a mut after van

[thorny pond]

Rule one of #assassination is don’t talk about #assassination
Rule two is don’t overcap CP

[glass wadi]

Yes you can

[hollow river]

Rule #3 SLAM SHIV ON COOLDOWN

[timid cloud]

Rule 4, don't big brain it, otherwise you'll get railed by Whispyr.

[spice spire]

it's a larger gain to do a vanish on empty cp, to mut env mut than to env mut env essentially

[timid cloud]

Just simply press your buttons.

[spice spire]

but yeah rule 4, really is true

"a flopping fish can purple parse easily"

[thorny pond]

NF sepsis with fae infusion and KA is obviously the play

[hollow river]

You’re a bully 😢

[drifting cloud]

just blame it on gear

and no wft

[spice spire]

don't blame me king, that was a sub rogue statement

ryler's right

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

this grey parse, purple if i had wft

[hollow river]

And no monk buff

[thorny pond]

I’m offended

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

it's the ol' razzle dazzle

you're not the only sub rogue I occasionally speak to @thorny pond

[thorny pond]

I’m a hybrid

[fast nacelle]

mmh... i wanna try out necro lego for assa in m+

[glad siren]

Mut env mut? ... assuming crit yeah?

[fast nacelle]

not sure about stats i craft

[thorny pond]

I go sin when raid dps is too high and we push too soon

[fast nacelle]

crit mastery?

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[spice spire]

yeah, @glad siren this is assuming with the 90%+ crit you should have at this point that you'd hit a 4 cp mut

otherwise mut mut envenom

[fast nacelle]

yeah = to my question?

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[fast nacelle]

[drifting cloud]

its probably margin error wash with crit haste either way

[glad siren]

Ah OK. We get that crit for 3 x yeah? So just mut env mut env etc

[fast nacelle]

yeah but i haste aint the shit probably

[spice spire]

90% crit ofc being the circa 40% crit you have plus the base 50% fo MA

[fast nacelle]

since the necor lego gives u the rampup

[drifting cloud]

but since youre not gonna use it anywhere else than m+ mastery can be better on alot of pulls I guess

[glad siren]

I forgot u get that extra 50% tbh

[fast nacelle]

yeah same thoughts

[spice spire]

only at 4cp would you finish, if you get an unlucky 3er, you're gonna hit mut shiv garrote or whatever else is avilable before popping a finisher

[fast nacelle]

didnt log in wow for 2 weeks... now i come back just to farm torghast for kyrian and necro

[drifting cloud]

we love torghast

[fast nacelle]

idk.. layer 9 is fine

watching tv shows on second monitor

[glad siren]

Ty, I am stuck in the 80-90's parses.

[drifting cloud]

yeah its chill but im lazy so when it doesnt drop 2 in a row

I lose patience

and so I just quit at like 65

[spice spire]

layer 9s are cozy runs

[fast nacelle]

idk if i wanna prepare more than kyrian/necro/venthyr.. do we ever play NF?

unless they overbuff the lego

also need to farm venthyr kyrian on dh

[glass wadi]

I looked at your logs, and there are things that I would fix. Use the Flag after Vendetta. The flag deals increased damage when the Vendetta debuff is hanging on the target. You didn't use these two abilities together. And as I said above, use Vanish to boost the Flag time. With this, you can up your stacks to 25+. Maybe I'm wrong here, someone can correct me if so. But my logs ~orange with such a rotation.

[drifting cloud]

vendetta before flag in opener is wrong btw

but its very minor

[glad siren]

Hmm I think I've been doing that wrong as well

[drifting cloud]

if you have 25s pull timers so you can just already have snd up and you go mut, rup, mut its probably better

but also

[spice spire]

any pre turnip enjoyers?

[vestal knot]

I was given a rotation to use last time I posted here, I was told to Mut > SnD > pot > Mut > Garrote > flag > rupture > vendetta> shiv > vanish > Mut >(if at 4 or 5) >envenom > Mut

[glad siren]

How do you get snd up before pull?

[drifting cloud]

mfd

the 1st cp decays after 20s and every 5s after that iirc

[oak sky]

Snd is also 1 global in the entire 5 minute fight/ sim so its negligible

[drifting cloud]

well its more the fact you dont have rupture on target before you press vendetta

into flag

[spice spire]

yeah i think ryler's point was you vendetta'd before rupture there

[drifting cloud]

so yeah if you play mfd you can get around that depending how long pull timers your guild uses

mine does 20 so im just guessing with mfd, works maybe like 70% of the time

[glad siren]

Sorry for another stupid question... how does vanish increase flag time

[glass wadi]

If you play with the conduit WellPlacedSteel, then after using Shiv, you need to use Envenom as much as possible in 8 seconds, while the debuff hangs on the target. In your rotation, i see vanish after Shiv. - 1 GCD = - DPS.

[vestal knot]

Thank you

[drifting cloud]

what? vanish isnt on the gcd

[glass wadi]

Extra 1cp with same amount of energy. We didn't press Envenom on 3cp, right ? Even to increase stacks on Flag time.

[oak sky]

This is correct

[glad siren]

Ty

[oak sky]

The flag stacks just increase haste during the flag buff it doesnt really have anything to do with time unless you mean with obediencem

?

[glad siren]

Oh, I don't use obedience.

[split grail]

Draven for sin, yes?

[oak sky]

Theotar

[timid cloud]

Theo.

[oak sky]

Nadjia is close but bugged rn

[split grail]

Ah, Theo. Thanks

[drifting cloud]

I dont even know what draven does and ive been venthyr for like 8months

[glass wadi]

Flag deals extra dmg for every CP you spend. IMO, it's better to use with vanish to get extra CP and deal more.

[oak sky]

Yeah that is true I just don't know what you mean by flag time, its a weird wording

[timid cloud]

Tank only. It’s one of the best ones for them actually. Lol.

[glad siren]

Hmm so I wonder if there is a better opener I should be doing. I feel like I'm missing put with the vanish placement

[oak sky]

Opener is mut snd mut garrote flag rupture vendetta shiv vanish mut envenom mut

[glad siren]

Oh I thought we wanted close to full cp before flag vend

[glass wadi]

I mean more stacks -> more haste in next 12 seconds.

[oak sky]

Mut garrote will be 4 or 5 cp then you flag and rupture is your first spender @glad siren

[glad siren]

Ohhh ok ty

[oak sky]

Np

[glad siren]

Agreon, should I hold cds for a full vanish rotation as well? For fights not longer than 6 min?

[oak sky]

You want vanish to be synced with both vendetta and shiv

Flag you only sync if you wouldnt miss a cast

[glad siren]

I typically do but I know some people like using flag on cd

[drifting cloud]

using flag on cd is correct

[balmy condor]

"some people"

[drifting cloud]

but yeah its just kill timer dependant

[balmy condor]

99% of the community

[oak sky]

You basically want your first and last flag to sync with vendetta

[drifting cloud]

so on exactly 6min fight, you would vanish/ven at 3 with flag, and again at 5min with flag

[oak sky]

Thats the easy way to think about it

[drifting cloud]

since youre losing 1 cast of each anyways

[oak sky]

Fight timers make things weird

Safe way is just using on cd

[glad siren]

Ah... okay. I have been doing stuff wrong holding cds then. Lol darn

[drifting cloud]

well like I said jsut depends on kill timers

and theres a few dumb ones for assa which alot of bosses on mythic on farm fall into the category off

[glad siren]

I'm not in a really decent mythic guild. We only just got 4/10 this week

[oak sky]

Nothing wrong with that, its all about improving

[nimble thicket]

From all specs you don't really hold anything more like trying to line up things and that maxs out at a few second / pooling. Maybe holding on a mob that won't get max time of your CD is the only hold I can think of

[glad siren]

I have one more silly question... for sylv should I swap out the 233 sylv weapon for a 246 m+ weapon?

[nimble thicket]

233 Edge of Night > any 246 wep (it's all prob within 20-30 dps better)

[glad siren]

Ah OK I assumed maybe since she doesn't get below 50% it would be different. Ty oro

[drifting cloud]

233 eon isnt good for assa, why dont you just sim it lol

not sure it even beats a 246 without with full uptime, let alone sylv

depends on your 246 stats prolly

[nimble thicket]

Def sim it, and sim it on a target dummy that doesn't lose health too. give you a better idea of the bottom line for EoN (Off hand)

I could be in the long run wrong but EoN 233 (off hand) beats every 246 for me even with stat changes. But again rule of thumb sim it to be sure. LMK what you get @glad siren now I'm interested

[timid cloud]

This calls for...

[nimble thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[glad siren]

How do I Sim just sylv fight? Is that an option?

[timid cloud]

No.

[glad siren]

And is there a dummy that takes the 3 stack gems or still no? I assume sylv dagger crit process count towards winds of winter

Procs*

[glad siren]

I have simmed... but I was speaking specifically of sylv since she doesn't go below 50 and the dagger does more dmg the lower the hp of the mob.

[drifting cloud]

how much does it beat a 246 by?

[glad siren]

On average only about 50dps for me. But possibly because of the stats on the 246 I would assume.

[nimble thicket]

This is on a target dummy?

[glad siren]

No just a raidbots sim

[drifting cloud]

I have a hard time believing its 50 even tbh,

from memory when I swapped my 246 for 246 eon it was under a 100

[gusty mirage]

233 eon vs 246 valor dagger was like 60dps for me

but it was haste/vers

so meh

[glad siren]

Dummies don't do the 3set bonus anywhere that I know of ...

[nimble thicket]

compare the sims EoN dmg between the two. 100% hp target dummy to a full sim fight and just split the difference to get an idea of that dps if you care but from what it sounds like it will be around 20 dps cause you dont get the low hp on her

[glad siren]

Ty.

[nimble thicket]

On my sin sim 233 (off hand) is -15 dps / sin 246 off hand is +71 dps current off hand is Tanglwood (haste/verse)

[void wharf]

for mythic sylv where the platform adds aren't lasting for more than half duration of rupture is it worth full dotting up both adds or just garrotte and mut/env spam?

and if anybody is a log expert this is my best pull - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BMVap9G7LbHxDwTr#fight=16 what could i be doing more optimally?

[violet jackal]

Probably full dot both

[drifting cloud]

youre syncing up ven and flag in p3 and its making you lose a flag cast

[spark scaffold]

Not looking too much into it but I just checked the opener and you should be using this instead of what you're doing rn

[void wharf]

why not use flag after vendetta for bonus dmg?

i get the p3 not syncing but not the opener

[spark scaffold]

Because you're using rupture which is a waste cast during vendetta and you also might overcap on energy since it gives you 20 energy per sec for 3 sec

Your average envenom cast will deal more dmg than your average flag cast (initial dmg)

So its better to have an extra envenom during vendetta than have the initial flag cast

This is without taking into consideration the energy that you'd rather want to get during flag not before

[nimble thicket]

Oro who Orome

[spark scaffold]

Lord of the rings my friend

From the books

It's one of the valar

[nimble thicket]

Awwww yeah I'm all about it!

[glad siren]

124 dps loss using the 246 instead of 233 for me :\

which is odd cause droptmizer said that it's a 47 dps increase but sim says otherwise... /shrug.

[split grail]

If I'm running frost set should I always use dashing or is bloodstained better for necro?

[drifting cloud]

double celestial enchant

[glad siren]

oh good catch ty i'll re-sim

[hollow river]

bloodstained?..

[split grail]

meant doomblade

[hollow river]

doomblade is usually better for necro, you'd need to sim yourself to be sure

dashing doesn't usually pull ahead for necro until very high gear levels

[glad siren]

@drifting cloud you were right, ( for whatever reason even though i had both enchants clicked it didn't switch them... but once i did it in game and ran sim again it was a 60dps increase )

[plain onyx]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[nimble thicket]

[plain onyx]

Hey, is this normal that I'm gaining seriously more dps with Ocular trinket in M+ than the amplifier, while the ampli is simming higher than Ocular ? 🥺 Edit: Ampli is at 239 , Ocular is at 252

[hollow river]

You have to make sure the box is ticked that says Replace existing gems and enchants above the gems and enchants section.

Glad you found your gains though

[hollow river]

You mean in practice in the game you think your gaining more dps from it than amp?

How are you coming to this conclusion?

[plain onyx]

What do you mean ' In practice ' ?

[hollow river]

Like in game?

[plain onyx]

naah, IRL

[hollow river]

....

You want help or nah

[plain onyx]

My message was plain & clear my brother 🙂 until you came up and asked me "Like in game ?". Can you be more specific ?

[hollow river]

It’s not very clear that’s why I asked how you came to that conclusion

Like why do you think you’re gaining more from ocular

If amp is simming better

[plain onyx]

This is exactly what is weird to me. In M+ during my AOE rotation i gain more dps cuz of my crit is higher with Ocular, also while on Single Target

[spice spire]

in m+ this makes sense, as the constant gain in stats will be beneficial over the bit of burst

makes perfect sense

[drifting cloud]

does 239 amp really sim more than 252 ocular?

[hollow river]

Yes

[drifting cloud]

it doesnt on st would be weird why it would on ds

[hollow river]

It has for me too

Usually for sub-dslice

[plain onyx]

Thanks!!

[spice spire]

@drifting cloud the usual crit gain gains more from the multi target phases i guess? That's legit all IC an think of over the flat boost from fusion amp

I can*

[hollow river]

i mean we have so much crit this season

and in dslice you have no frost set bonus

[brazen zodiac]

@spice spire

they killed it

i got piss drunk and didnt make it

very sad

[timid cloud]

Not showing up to raid because drunk???

Just simply show up.

[spice spire]

@brazen zodiac

[brazen zodiac]

one cannot simply show up

when one is passed out in bed

[spice spire]

Sorry to hear dog

[glass tulip]

our raid got cut short cuz everyone was playing like monkeys 🤣

RL just said "yeah you guys suck tonight. log off and come back for reclear tomorrow"

[oak sky]

our kt reclear was fast but we didnt quite have time for sylv

theres always next week ig

@gusty mirage i might need to wait for you to bless my vault tomorrow

last week i didnt

and it was bad

[soft shale]

i got a good bless this week

now only need the other dagger with leech and we gamin

[quiet thicket]

hey Guys, im currently struggling very hard to get above 8k aoe with the setup 2-2-2-0-0-2-3 with Doomblade on cloak with a total of 238. Armory Link: https://worldofwarcraft.com/de-de/character/eu/blackhand/elrán

[timid cloud]

4% Slyv wipe on reclear this week, so no dagger for me in the box...Pray for me my bruddas...

[quiet thicket]

Im realy close to drop it and stop playing since i realy realy having a hard time with the class/specc

But i want to finally be good with my rogue since it still makes fund. Am i missing something big here with my Char?

[timid cloud]

First issue is Doomblade, not the pick for M+ unless it’s like Tyrannical 20+ TOP or something.

[humble ginkgo]

you dont have to kill it every week to get it in vault

all you need is to kill it once

[timid cloud]

I haven’t killed it once on that Rogue.

[humble ginkgo]

ah ok

[timid cloud]

It’ll be the second guild kill.

):

[quiet thicket]

What should i do then. I was reading the file i found here and came to not such a big conclusion https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTYgz1ZCEqoM-KDFQwvyWDSyDNTf8J5s1GD1lnhIwEdfmTZ31K0dnoRkHtgsq6ysEyt9qAke_e9uu01/pubhtml?lsrp=1

I could really use some constructive advice if you have any of it.

I would appreciate it very much.

[timid cloud]

Also you craft Zoldyck on legs for M+ or Obedience on Cloak if you’re Venthyr & do not care about your overall & need more priority / single target

The one size fits all legendary would be Zoldyck though.

[quiet thicket]

I have Zoldyck on the legs but i doesnt get you second and third point. Would you explain it just slightly better, since im not a native english spokesman?

[timid cloud]

Zoldyck = Gut for ALL

Obedience = Gut for boss + target

Doomblade = Gut for boss ONLY

[quiet thicket]

Okay, i understood that good^^ But what do you mean by need more priority / single target?

Is my main job as a rogue to interrupt, stun and focuse on the strongest enemy in a group?