assassination

[hollow river]

they even change the icon iirc

[prime anchor]

is obidience better than zoldyck? reason im asking is everytime i pug they keep telling me use obidience leggo

for m+

[gusty mirage]

they're similar, only difference is the damage profiles

zold is more damage though

obedience will get you more flags per dungeon which is good for prio dam and is assa's only burst

while zoldyk is just consistent damage increase for anything sub 30%

[prime anchor]

ok ty, and also everytime my sim dont like haste, i am currnetly at 4% haste, it favors crit and mastery is that ok

[gusty mirage]

yeah haste doesn't do much in aoe

like it's still good

[prime anchor]

ty very much

[gusty mirage]

but crit will always be better in aoe because of the cp generation from seal fate

np

[small basin]

do you think deadly poison tracking on nameplates is needed?

or i can just blacklist it

[spice spire]

Prolly a blacklist

[small basin]

is there a number of targets i stop using garotte?

[glossy tulip]

Been hearing a few rogues wanting to try out the NF leggo. I'm sticking with venthyr, but what do you guys think about it? I told him I think he's smoking rocks but I could be wrong. I haven't looked into it too much yet. and I reapply garrote when I can depending on the targets health andthe time remaining on some of my other abilities

[drifting cloud]

#assassination message

[glossy tulip]

XD holy fuck that's way up there

[arctic walrus]

You guys see that one guy on logs running master poisoner? Some interaction with dashing maybe?

[small basin]

what's the pandemic for crimson tempest

3 seconds with 4/5 points?

[balmy condor]

30%

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[balmy condor]

Depends on the CP you have

[small basin]

ah ok

thanks

[simple stratus]

!opener

[oak sky]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[oak sky]

its in wowhead guide

rotation page

[prime anchor]

with empowered garrote do you let it run out or still apply on pandemic below5.4 sec?

[bleak sun]

Pandemic always

[prime anchor]

ok ty

[drifting cloud]

you let it run out, the guy is wrong

[prime anchor]

oh ty

[misty cave]

just to know is a my impression or frost set is nerfed?

[gusty mirage]

seems fine

[hollow river]

Frost rime seems to be bugged

Idk though

@balmy condor any idea if frost rime is bugged since patch?

[balmy condor]

Haven’t heard of it

[hollow river]

It doesn’t seem to be procing at all

[balmy condor]

Frost rime is the shield on crit?

[hollow river]

Yes

I’ve checked meter from last nights last pull and a couple times in between pulls tn and there was 0 frostrime healing

Usually there’s a little bit

I mean it’s not a huge deal, but that’s like a whole ass shard not doing what it’s supposed to

But it would seem our DH had 2 procs go off during a 10:00 pull

[balmy condor]

Hm

[hollow river]

Hmm odd

Across all 21 wipes our DH had 9 procs and I had 2

[balmy condor]

Pull up a log from last week

[hollow river]

I just did

Across 27 wipes

Our DH had 4450 procs

I had like 3300

It’s definitely br ken

[balmy condor]

Lul

Can you link me those two logs specifically that show the procs

[hollow river]

Yes sec

[balmy condor]

I’ll try to push it around

[hollow river]

On mobile

[balmy condor]

Np

[hollow river]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZbRMAvgpdt3TN7HD#boss=2435&difficulty=5&wipes=1&type=healing&ability=356257

From tonight

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kTd8XGNFvnKA6cBa/#boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=1&type=healing&ability=356257

From the 27th

[balmy condor]

Thanks I’ll pass it along

[hollow river]

Np and ty

Should I bug report?

[balmy condor]

Go for it

Anything helps

[hollow river]

True true

[sick cairn]

hello!

currently in sylv prog, what talents are best? do i stick to crimson tempest? or do poison bomb?

[oak sky]

poison bomb

[uneven summit]

Correct me if im wrong (im also on sylv progress) - Assa rogue might aswell focus on the ST aspects and shine there, and go poison bomb, no?

[balmy condor]

You just don’t get a lot of opportunities to CT

Main part of the fights are single target

Like in p1 sentinel/chain damage isn’t really a problem

You’re just holding damage anyway

P2 adds die pretty fast

And p3 is all single target

[uneven summit]

Yea that´s what i mean

the only way i outshine is on ST, on that i blasted some 10mil more than top2 throughout 30 pulls

[golden basalt]

CT only really see play on Soulrender, Fate and KT depending on your raids strat, you could legit just default poison bomb for the entire raid and be fine

[timid cloud]

KT you take CT simply because you can use it to funnel into KT / Prio targets with the damage that you deal while you crit.

Even if it's a lot of ST

[golden basalt]

Yea, I’m on phyla duty so I just go pb

[timid cloud]

It’s not bad even if you are, since you still gotta kill shards / adds.

It also helps in P2 phyla since you can use it as an extra bleed if you get pushed back & you’re dodging the green goop on the floor.

Depending on your phasing times, sometimes you can get a fatty shard from all that topside damage & then just throw it into the phylactery.

[golden basalt]

fair, I’m kinda taking every chance of not using CT I can, not a huge fan of it

[valid dirge]

Hi, roguesqaud 😄 Could anyone pls help me and advise the right way to sim ST including that u given PI? I suppose that it may be differ stats priority +/-

[limber lion]

You can just use the Expert Mode in Top Gear and add external_buffs.power_infusion=5/125/245 to the footer.

[valid dirge]

Thanks, and what should I put into header, pre-actors, post-actors? I'm going to sim like top gear.

[soft shale]

to do it like topgear you need to put copy=(name of the copy) then the different gear/condouits etc

[valid dirge]

may be u have example or link to article where can i read it?

[soft shale]

uh sorry but i think simc has like a guide somewhere

maybe @vestal wren knows?

[thorny pond]

Wowhead has one

[valid dirge]

Found it, thanks a lot

[vestal wren]

@soft shale what do you need?
if its extrenal buffs they are all listed in:
https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/BuffsAndDebuffs#external-buffs

you ofc need to put in the time like above with power fusion

[uneven summit]

am i literally the only one who hasen´t seen the shadow of a sylv dagger yet? not even drop for another one

[arctic hare]

You are not

I’ve never seen one drop, no

Though, I only have two rogues in my guild, including me lol

So, i love sbs

I still love venth, but even so, this is amazing

Only now do I realize that now that we can farm unlimited cinders, I can socket all of the gear I can

Heheheheh, this’ll be sick

[spice spire]

I’ve gifted eon twice now

[gusty mirage]

Truly a great guy

[spice spire]

+7 dps compared to a lot more on sub and outlaw

Just makes a lot more sense to gift

[echo geyser]

what a nice guy Quaker

The only hc dagger i gave away was a sale run

[limber lion]

Nothing. Just the footer.

[limber lion]

Incorrect

I literally just explained how to do it in Top Gear...

[valid dirge]

Just done it like this

[limber lion]

Don't think that works.

That'll only customize the apl, but won't take into account external stuff and whatnot.

Just turn on Expert Mode and put the power-infusion string in the footer and then sim it

Leave the header and body empty

[amber sand]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[valid dirge]

Checked ur advise and the numbers are the same as when I put like my screenshot above

[alpine latch]

Has anyone noticed that the Tower Knowledge thing completely disappeared once you swapped covenants?

I went Kyrian and turned in the Kyrian leggo last night and it was just gone

[limber lion]

Fair enough, they must've added that to the custom sim portion as well. That'll make it thousands times easier then. Did you try without the string as well?

[strange python]

@alpine latch the box that you select your powers from?

It's moved like nearer to the summoning stone for me.

[alpine latch]

Ohh, maybe that's why

I never saw it mentioned that it moved

[strange python]

yeah me neither - I just saw it out there in the middle yesterday

[valid dirge]

Yes, the difference near 600 dmg, but the same equip( My suppose was wrong:)

[limber lion]

Good stuff!

Custom sim didn't use to work so that's glad to hear. In 9.0 it was a pain in the ass to sim externals because you had to do it in advanced sims.

[sleek pollen]

hey guys are we good in M+ now like sub ? necrolord for pushing some keys or venthyr ?

[gusty mirage]

all 3 rogue specs are good in M+

but assa is the worst of the 3

you can play either necro or venthyr

necro for a bit more aoe/cleave pumping

venthyr for more prio damage

[sleek pollen]

we still go zoldyck i guess ? doesent matter if i go venth or necro ?

[gusty mirage]

yeppers zold is still the play

and nah if you're playing sin both venth and necro are going to be good choices for keys

but it depends on what your group needs

[sleek pollen]

yeah ty i thought about playing assa or outlaw on necrolord for TOP keys maybe PF too because sub sucks in TOP

[gusty mirage]

ye I play assa in top primarily

but tbh outlaw's super nice for top, esp fort weeks because you can gouge the devour

from the abom in gorechop's wing

[lean fossil]

@limber lion who do you use for your soul binds?

[limber lion]

Nadja for Venthyr, Heirmir or Merileth for Necro.

[lean fossil]

thanks bud, been necro but swapping tp venth for raid

[slow marsh]

why you no gift to me tho

[slow marsh]

Theo is better if you have 252 conduits and reroll party favors to haste or crit

[spice spire]

Haven’t had the opportunity king

[gusty mirage]

because you want to play night fae

that's why

[slow marsh]

really then why am i kyrian right now

[gusty mirage]

because you hate yourself

pirates and ninjas are that way sir ->

[slow marsh]

i'm sorry that i'm good at more than 1 spec

[gusty mirage]

I did just fine as pirate

tyvm

and I'm serviceable as sub

[slow marsh]

i never said you weren't

[gusty mirage]

you implied it

[dark atlas]

a

[gusty mirage]

first act on the wow counsel, cancel iceblades

[slow marsh]

what can i do to make you love me

[pearl ingot]

but we are here for the sweet poison!

[gusty mirage]

this is how I treat people I love

ask @spice spire

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

oh pog

[vestal wren]

so, is assassination the ninja spec or subtlety 🤔

[pearl ingot]

sub

it is known

[slow marsh]

sub for ssure

shuriken

and sin has what

[gusty mirage]

1-2cp fan of knives

and sadness

we use the poison to numb the pain

[soft shale]

cue wolverine photo and legion poison bomb

[slow marsh]

i didn't even play in legion and i agree with that

[spice spire]

Only for the uninitiated

[soft shale]

you could be a venthyr boomkin

[spice spire]

Don’t know anything less than a 4 CP fok

[soft shale]

or be a kyrian assa rogue

depending on rng

[spice spire]

[pearl ingot]

😩 true

[slow marsh]

kyrian sin wouldn't be as bad if you could reasonably hit ER

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

actually impossible to hit ER on 2

seal fate too strongk

[scenic root]

Shiv for combo points clearly

[slow marsh]

if you shiv for cp you aren't hitting it on cd and thus trolling

[scenic root]

Was my /s not strong enough, do I need to type it out 🙃

[spice spire]

Bold pls

[slow marsh]

yes

i am unable to detect /s

[sonic schooner]

Let's make it guys, let's leave on the side our love and get our ass back to venthyr for 40 more renown

😔

[slow marsh]

im pretty sure it's the opposite for most lmao

[gusty mirage]

wdym just fan of knives

??

[sonic schooner]

yea i swapped necro after Sire at 9.0.5 and was too lazy to swtich ban venthyr after the 9.1 sims

[slow marsh]

that made me sad

[sonic schooner]

Fok 2 CP with 45% crit

[limber swallow]

I swapped to necro after the 9.1 sims... and I just finished venthyr 80 yesterday... Now I can just play whatevery I want....

[sonic schooner]

[limber swallow]

necro is just more fun for most content

[sonic schooner]

since i was mostly playing outlaw in m+ i was also strongly considering staying necro for that

[limber swallow]

I was outlaw for all of S1.. that was my thought too

[sonic schooner]

but now, i need NF for rbg, and venthyr for the fun of having venthyr

gladly as a rogue, already got the 4 covenants renown 40 in 9.0

Well... It s only 500 golds... fk me

[limber swallow]

well, this week is definitely one of the best for catch up on renown

[sonic schooner]

what is special about this week?

[limber swallow]

comp stomp brawl is up and it's like 5 minutes per point

[slow marsh]

or you could run upper reaches level 9 and sprint to the door and finish in 3mins

[gusty mirage]

bgs vs bots

[sonic schooner]

oh yea

well, let s do it

[gusty mirage]

a lot more fun than torghast

[limber swallow]

upper reaches level 9 isn't guaranteed above ~65

[sonic schooner]

i need few cinders for my obediance so maybe some torghast as well

[limber swallow]

hell, I didn't get points from level 12 last week at 68

[sonic schooner]

🙄

will mix up contents

[slow marsh]

ye either or

[limber swallow]

I should swap to NF now just to get it done..... not touching kyrian....

[echo rampart]

is it better to use Obedience or Zoldyck for m+

[autumn frost]

Depends on what week and your team comp

[gusty mirage]

depends on what your group needs

if you group wants more prio damage you go obedience

otherwise zold

[autumn frost]

What oxi said.

[gusty mirage]

zold's just a boring legendary tbh

I wish we had a better option for m+

[autumn frost]

I don't like it.

I prefer dashing tbh

Even though objectively worse.

I necro.

Zoldyack is like not having a Lego for 70% or the fight.

[soft shale]

you can go obedience mfd for a more dynamic play

if necro you're out of luck sadly

[normal mist]

Doomblade < zold for Necro right?

[autumn frost]

For mythic?

[normal mist]

M+

[autumn frost]

Zoldyack is what I was told. But again what your team needs.

[normal mist]

I mean, as a substitute for zold since you don't like it

[autumn frost]

Yeah, I have done that.

[strange python]

is night fae better than venthyr in raid? since the Toxic Onslaught leggo?

[autumn frost]

No

5% lower Sims.

[strange python]

okay thanks "

!

[echo rampart]

i play mostly with a boomie and a fire mage so i guess Obedience would be better

[autumn frost]

Yeah

[echo rampart]

okay sweet thanks for the info

[slow marsh]

Yes night fae is better than venthyr in raid if your goal is to tilt everyone

[viscid spear]

I remember being NF until 9.1, everyone else in the raid group, who knew nothing about Rogue and just got their info from Wowhead, was wondering if I was going Venthyr

Nice people, baaaaad judge of this class

[slow marsh]

they were right though

[storm belfry]

idr if anyone confirmed this but it seems it is not, on an alt rn and it won't let me upgrade

[viscid spear]

This was like one instance out of a sea of misinformation where they just knew the obvious thing, though.

[alpine latch]

Damn ... Dashing is still only a 35 DPS increase over Obe for me.

I was really hoping at a certain point is was worth crafting

[strange python]

Less margin for error with Dashing...j/s

[alpine latch]

Probably, yeah

What's the play with Dashing? Do you still pop Flag on CD?

[arctic hare]

Think so

Do you have rank 5 frost?

[strange python]

I play necro ... swapped like 3 weeks ago and never looked back

[arctic hare]

lol

I’m gonna be switchin back and forth consistently

[strange python]

I really want to try NF

[alpine latch]

Yup. R5 frost and r5 DPS shards (working on Unholy Aura now) and 252 conduits

[arctic hare]

Jeez

Thats, soooooo weird

[alpine latch]

I'll have full sockets this weekend as well

[arctic hare]

Whew

[alpine latch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/htYExJFZWkgJeMSjhutZrq

I thought for sure I'd get more DPS out of it

[arctic hare]

Heh, epic

[alpine latch]

But maybe it's because I'm not a Mythic raider

I know a lot of the optimal gear comes from raid

[arctic hare]

I’m a heroic raider and dashing seems to be a much larger increase

Wait

[alpine latch]

I am too

[arctic hare]

Whats your crit percent?

[alpine latch]

45-46%

[arctic hare]

Jesus fuck

Maybe your crit is TOO high? I have no idea

[strange python]

10,4 is no joke for ilvl 244

[arctic hare]

I do know that obedience isn’t all that far behind dashing in sims, like 1% or so

[strange python]

you've gotta be #1 in your heroic raids

[alpine latch]

I smash my raid, yes

[strange python]

casue i sim around there too

[cloud nacelle]

Got exact same gear as you 👀

[alpine latch]

On The Eye I beat #2 on the meters by 3200 DPS

And after Quake and Cev gave me some pointers, it'll be even worse for them next week

[arctic hare]

Jesus

[alpine latch]

It's not hard

My guild is bad

But I've been with them forever

[strange python]

yeah my guild is mixed, great people though

[alpine latch]

The GM was a groomsman in my wedding

[arctic hare]

lol, thats interesting

[alpine latch]

I joined them in early 2005

And played with them off and on over the years

Back in Vanilla I had some RL friends that joined them randomly, so eventually I did too

We still have 4 players from that era in the guild and active

[strange python]

I've met a lot of people over the years at work that "play wow" and ... it never works out well

[alpine latch]

I think there's around 10 of us from Vanilla still active, but most of them moved on to New World

[strange python]

they'll be back

[alpine latch]

Our community has been around since 2002

It was formed during Planetside

We've had divisions in most major games

Our WoW team is always the smallest and worst, though

[strange python]

i didn't even know what ps was til ps2

[arctic hare]

lol

[alpine latch]

But yeah, I'm rocking Dashing. I'll farm it this weekend

I was just hoping it would put me to 10.5k

[arctic hare]

Idr what my last sim was

[strange python]

I'll run doomblade sometimes

[arctic hare]

I think it was like 10k?

[strange python]

My sims with doomblade and dashing are like within 30 of eachother.

[alpine latch]

yeah, so right around mine then

That's good to know

[strange python]

just depends what kinda mood i'm in

[arctic hare]

There we go

[strange python]

I dunno why but doomblade and MA feel good to me - and Subterfuge and dashing feel good.

[arctic hare]

Hmm, interesting take on that

[hollow river]

Yeah idk just saying that’s what I heard

[arctic hare]

I will admit though, doomblade and ma feels pretty good, but for me dashing and ma feel much better

[strange python]

do you like time your dashing procs? is that even a thing?

cause if so, that totally makes sense

[arctic hare]

lol, nope

[strange python]

I mean it would make a lot of sense to actually do that though

[arctic hare]

Dashing is more to me just maintaining the envenom buff

[strange python]

some of those frost bonus crits are stoopid

[arctic hare]

Its funny to play with with frost

[strange python]

• I said dashing procs - but i meant frost bonus procs

[arctic hare]

Ohhhh

Yeah, I don’t time them at all

[strange python]

I mean that critting or not critting seems huge - but i dunno if i care enough

[arctic hare]

Well, we are st

[strange python]

do the pros time that stuff?

the frost proc

[hollow river]

Someone lied to me I think

[storm belfry]

lmao

yeah i told a few ppl

after i read it in here

[hollow river]

[storm belfry]

but i tested it myself this morning on my priest and yeah it was saying i couldnt lmao

[hollow river]

We’re liars

[storm belfry]

had to be that rating

we are indeed

if anyone asks me im just gonna act like idk what they are talking about

[hollow river]

[hollow river]

Bro I leveled my alt to 60 and got 7,000 valor because you said

[storm belfry]

LOL imagine

look we can just link this back to who told you

and send the mob their way

[gusty mirage]

that sounds about right

playing mfd?

[storm belfry]

MFD

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

Dashing mfd > Obe mfd by +120 for me

[gusty mirage]

dashing is like 40 dps for me over obe

[hollow river]

Gg noobs

[gusty mirage]

maybe you're the problem

[hollow river]

D:

[alpine latch]

I'm not - I just heard that MFD tends to be the play yesterday

I'm going to take some time to get used to it

I need to review the opener with MFD in it

Technically speaking, Blindside/Deeper is higher DPS for me than MFD anyway

MFD is a 105 DPS increase and BS/DS is 190

[hollow river]

It is for almost everyone

[alpine latch]

Yeah

[hollow river]

But that’s pure st

[alpine latch]

yup

I'll get used to MFD though

I need to use that more in m+ anyway I think

[hollow river]

I think we stay vigor in m+

[alpine latch]

We do, but I can get used to it in a key or two

[hollow river]

Ah

[alpine latch]

I need to get better at playing around with talents

I'm very much a "set it and forget it" type of guy

So when things change it takes me a while to get used to it

[visual prairie]

they made mfd work on the orbs on remnant. that was nice

[gusty mirage]

it's the same opener, just when you shiv into vanish, it's mut -> env -> mfd -> env

I think you'll like it

it adds quite a bit of apm to sin

[alpine latch]

nice

So for ST just pop MFD on cooldown while inside of a Shiv window, I presume?

[visual prairie]

and flag window if you're venth

[alpine latch]

yeah

Ohhh

[visual prairie]

the build part

[alpine latch]

So save MFD to line it with Flag?

[visual prairie]

it will generally line up

[gusty mirage]

you save it for flag if flag will be up w/ 15s

[alpine latch]

gotcha

[gusty mirage]

but outside of flag you just pop it on cd

[alpine latch]

Makes sense - an extra 5 CP flag is worth

[ruby oyster]

i never played necro before, how do i open in m+? assuming i have snd from previous pack, garrotex4>CT>spikex3 ?

[gusty mirage]

yeah you get closer to 30 stacks w/ it

@ruby oyster garrote x 4 into CT, spike -> rupture x3

[viscid spear]

Alright, time to grind some more Renown folks

[ruby oyster]

thanks

[gusty mirage]

np ❤️

[viscid spear]

pew pew

pew

[dense hamlet]

not even 5

[ruby oyster]

i love how spike looks and works in open world, feels kinda boring on ST boss tho

[lucid storm]

!ds

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[lucid storm]

is deathly shadows leggo swap any good for assa?

[strange python]

I wondered that, but i think no because - subter or MA

[visual prairie]

no

we dont' get a buff

and losing vanish is too big

vanish isn't as important for sub

[lucid storm]

ty

[visual prairie]

and for whatever reason, the buff stays for them and not us

[lucid storm]

thats stupid

[viscid schooner]

Since 9.1.5 sub or sin?

[strange python]

really, it's which you prefer - both are highly competitive (in raid) - technically, sub is probably better if pushing the highest keys in m+ though

• depending on composition

[viscid schooner]

Yeah im not in high keys yet, just 10 i think with ilvl 235

[viscid spear]

Outlaw isn't the go-to in M+ anymore?

Or do you only mean high keys?

[gusty mirage]

some dungeons it is

[strange python]

The questions was sub vs sin

all three are perfectly capable, however

[gusty mirage]

^

assa is just the weakest of the 3

but all 3 are pretty good

[viscid schooner]

Why is it weak because of aoe?

[gusty mirage]

lacks some utility the other 2 have w/ shiv being a DPS cooldown

little to no burst outside of flag

[analog locust]

anybody have any ideas why fatal flaw is giving me vers instead of crit, i have 1086(41%) crit, 284(7%) vers

[ruby oyster]

assa also feels like you need to work more to get same or a bit worse results, multi dotting etc. while you can park your outlaw rogue on main target and just cleave, or funnel on sub

[strange python]

That certainly sounds like a fatal flaw - could it be the .5% that flag gives you, increasing which you "currently have more of"

[ruby oyster]

if im tired i always run keys on outlaw, just dont need to think, otherwise assa is a lot more fun, imo

[analog locust]

nope im just autoing a dummy testing it

[strange python]

I run keys as sin

[viscid schooner]

Bit i dont quite like the sub playstyle

[strange python]

3 target cleave = pretty stronk. boss dmg (ST) always top...I can't complain, but i've only run keys up to 20 so...i'm not super competitive.

[visual prairie]

black powder noise and animation aren't good enough. unplayable having to press that 1000 times a key

[gusty mirage]

all 3 are viable until about +23-24ish where like every ounce of damage matters

[viscid spear]

I have better Outlaw weapons but don't like the spec.

[strange python]

lol why does black powder sound so satisfying to me

[gusty mirage]

Seli's been timing big boy keys as sin

our m+ father has returned to us

[viscid spear]

Pepper?🍴

[strange python]

[violet jackal]

Isn’t Varas playing sin in high keys?

I think he had every dungeon timed on +26/27

[strange python]

I got bose speakers though - maybe it's the bass

[subtle tundra]

im not that good buddy

[violet jackal]

Oh

[gusty mirage]

Varas is a pumper

don't let him lie to you

[subtle tundra]

im a 25er

[gusty mirage]

you're a 3k io player in my heart

[violet jackal]

Same

[strange python]

I'd be happy getting them all done on 20 but i've lost the drive

I've done 1 15 the last 3 weeks...

[gusty mirage]

got plenty of time

just take a break for a few weeks

do some rat keys for vault

and just relax

[violet jackal]

I’m only missing spires of ascension but whatever reason no one wants a rogue

[strange python]

yeah - i might get a push mindset going

[gusty mirage]

this is a purty good push week tho

[strange python]

hrmm...i might have to think about that

maybe i wake up saturday morning and am bored af

[gusty mirage]

I'll get there soon

[strange python]

me and barthilas have a nice relationship

6am et, etc...

it's that lag i can't deal wtih

[subtle tundra]

i've been here for a while cause now im playing with guildies, not pugging myself into high keys and just pushing now

[kind talon]

[hollow river]

Ok boomer

👌

[gusty mirage]

wdym I'm legit right there

[kind talon]

true

[gusty mirage]

"soon"

haven't done a serious push in like 3 weeks

but soon

[kind talon]

[gusty mirage]

[kind talon]

Bozu will be right there with u oxi

Maybe we clear plaguefall get you a wep make u play outlaw, then we can call you poxi @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

I have a 246 pox

[kind talon]

Hi poxi 👋

[gusty mirage]

[sly monolith]

what do i have to do to get the soulbinds unlocked with alt?

[hollow river]

Have to have completed the campaign once

On one character

[rotund drift]

with the uncapped changes

you think essence of bloodfang gonna get a nice spot?

[fiery mauve]

[balmy condor]

Bro what

[rotund drift]

dunno, kinda sounds nice in uncapped

xd

[fiery mauve]

ok

but picture this

zoldyck with deadly on everything

[placid pagoda]

Obe now simming as my better lego over dashing?

[hollow river]

Is that a question?

Or a statement

[placid pagoda]

questionable statement

[hollow river]

[placid pagoda]

just surprised to see thats all

[hollow river]

Nothing wrong with that tbh

[fiery mauve]

maybe u dont have frost gems on smh

[placid pagoda]

full set and 46% crit

[fiery mauve]

im tryna hint towards

[hollow river]

Obedience is good

[fiery mauve]

cant help

without the sim

[balmy condor]

1. How many pulls do you think will benefit from uncapped aoe
2. Why would that benefit bloodfang specifically
3. Why wouldn’t that be better for zoldyck, which is already better, and also has the same uncapped interactions

[dense hamlet]

[gusty mirage]

is that the one where it puts a bleed on targets that heals you?

[hollow river]

Yeah

[gusty mirage]

ew

lmao

[hollow river]

Will You check ur frostrime healing on Sylvanas pulls this week

[gusty mirage]

ye I got you

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

I'll check right meow

you mean the one that didn't show up at all?

[hollow river]

Same

I got 2 procs in 21 wipes

Our DH got 9

[gusty mirage]

let me check all wipes

that was our best pull

[balmy condor]

It won’t be there either

[hollow river]

We usually have 3-4K procs in 25+

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

There’s a forum post about it being bugged

[gusty mirage]

3 procs in 19 pulls

sick

ggs blizzard

[hollow river]

My guildie shared it with me lil while ago

[gusty mirage]

last week

[hollow river]

Over 27 wipes between me and our DH we had 3M+ healing done from frostrime

This week it was 300 a night

[gusty mirage]

yeah that's actually griefing

holy fuck

[hollow river]

Just crit more 5head

[gusty mirage]

just lost 1.49m absorb

overnight

[hollow river]

Yep

[gusty mirage]

nice

[hollow river]

Yep

Gg

[gusty mirage]

good thing the fight's not healing intensive

[hollow river]

I’ve been getting globaled

This week

[gusty mirage]

I've noticed my absorbs have been kinda dogshit last night

[hollow river]

Mine were for sure bad

[gusty mirage]

small indie company

🍝

[hollow river]

Like last week expulsion did nothing to me

This week even through feint I get chunked to 40%

If I don’t feint I’m globaled. Through priest barrier

[gusty mirage]

Yeah I noticed expulsion destroying me last night

[hollow river]

People dying to chain DoT left and right

[gusty mirage]

Dude got hit with a veil

Spread it

Expulsion went off. Proceed cheat

[hollow river]

Yep

Sounds about right

[gusty mirage]

Well boys

Time to switch blood and to sub

[hollow river]

Time to play blood/sub?

[gusty mirage]

It’s been a good run

[hollow river]

Lmfao

[gusty mirage]

I’ll miss y’all

[hollow river]

I’ve actually been thinking about it man

[gusty mirage]

I get r5 tonight after this sale

[oak sky]

Just healthpot healthstone vial

[hollow river]

Have been. On CD

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it feels bad spending all that on one part of p2 because spaghetti code tho

[hollow river]

Well

Gotta do what you gotta do

[autumn frost]

I rupture when full combo points. And then another spike

[hollow river]

In aoe CT should go first

[autumn frost]

That's a given. But I was referring to the 3 spikes in. Row

Two should cap combo points then rupture then 3rd spike.

Based on already having snd, running from previous pack.

[limber lion]

[autumn frost]

Garrotex4, crimson tempest, spike rupture/envenom depending on timing on snd, then final spike.

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sun]

109 io to title

[spice spire]

[grizzled panther]

is venthyr still go to currrently?

[frosty bridge]

Yessir

But necrochads are bae

[grizzled panther]

not a fan of their ability so im glad i get to play Vennieboys

[strange python]

I'm going nf tomorrow - sick of being just a little bit off mainstream

[subtle tundra]

wtf is that logic

[strange python]

huh...i like being different

[viscid spear]

Deathspike worth crafting?

[subtle tundra]

i mean, sure? but its so much worse dps wise than venthyr

[viscid spear]

Wowhead is saying it's pretty great for M+ Outlaw

[violet jackal]

POGGIE I got my last portal

[slow marsh]

you're better off going with kyrian

[frosty bridge]

It's good

just 0 ST which is why celerity is almost always better

[viscid spear]

Yeah, harvested some leggos and remade Celerity

[frosty bridge]

Does destroying leggos give back cinders too?

[viscid spear]

yeah, Ash and Cinders

[frosty bridge]

sick

[slow marsh]

you just lose the gold

[vestal wren]

9.1.5 lets you switch, so its rly not a big issue if you pick incorrect

[gusty mirage]

[vestal wren]

like running some layer 9 torghast and you got a new lego

[slow marsh]

yeah ezpz

[frosty bridge]

Gold though

[slow marsh]

also preferred way to grind renown

[frosty bridge]

Elaborate please

[viscid spear]

[gusty mirage]

the prices of the base items will go down

[frosty bridge]

Do i spam layer 9?

[slow marsh]

layer 9s

[frosty bridge]

until?

[gusty mirage]

until about renown 60ish

[vestal wren]

you can do layer 9 fairly fast

[gusty mirage]

just skip to the end

[frosty bridge]

Aight

[slow marsh]

take me 3mins

[gusty mirage]

kill boss loot cinders & renown

[frosty bridge]

Perfect

[vestal wren]

we had discussions about it in #subtlety people who attempted speed running it got it to ~1 min 30 per run as their best time

[viscid spear]

Lol they moved the Box into the inner chamber of Torghast, threw me off

[frosty bridge]

you dont struggle killing last boss without powers i guess? i can just run to each boss?

[vestal wren]

what means you can cash out on cinders + ash and renown in addition if you want to get a diffrent covenant up

[vestal wren]

its right outside there now, i was also suprised

its a better placement tbh, harder to miss

[viscid spear]

Went from like 200 Ash to 10k

[alpine latch]

Wait, like a 1.5m full clear? Holy hell

[vestal wren]

yes

[alpine latch]

Jesus

[gusty mirage]

should outgear it enough for it not to be an issue

[viscid spear]

I'm sheepish about using Cinders though, because the gold price is pretty high for me

[vestal wren]

thats fair

[alpine latch]

You still have to kill the floor bosses though, right?

[viscid spear]

I have all r4s

[alpine latch]

That alone takes 5-10 seconds per floor

I'm more surprised that they have the move speed to just walk the floors that fast

[gusty mirage]

ye you can't advance until floor boss is dead

[vestal wren]

rosvall posted this earlier
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/482606465064894474/870683691549077595/unknown.png

not 1:30 but still quite good time

[viscid spear]

Doing a UR 9, let's see

[gusty mirage]

smh 13 more seconds than promised?

[vestal wren]

dk iirc posted a 1:35 yesterday

and did talk about optimizing it further

[alpine latch]

I didn't even know you could walk the floors that fast, honestly

[viscid spear]

First floor boss had 134k, pretty easy

Skipping floor 3 because of the lack of phantasm

Besides the 5 one

7 minutes

Why 9 though, do the lower ones not give Renown?

[slow marsh]

it's the highest floor with 2 torments

[vestal wren]

9/10 is the sweet spot

if you have decent gear

if your gear isn't good or you are on a alt you will spam lower ones like layer 5

[viscid spear]

What's that matter?

[vestal wren]

the idea is to do as high as possible while maintaining a very fast clear speed

[slow marsh]

with box of many things buffs it makes 0 torments which just makes it easier to solo

[vestal wren]

and going lower does not increase your clear speed anymore but you get lower chances of renown + less soul ash/cinders

[slow marsh]

^^

[dapper zodiac]

hello, whats the best back legendarie atm for assa rogues?

like for raiding

[spice spire]

Depends on covenant and stats:
It’s between dashing scoundrel, obedience, and Doomblade (if Necro)

[viscid spear]

I need to get the upgrade, still a Torment at 9

It's the one that adds another miniboss with the end boss
I can just burst the main boss down and the other one despawns, but it's still annoying

Are the Sub guys just not killing floor bosses?

[gusty mirage]

you have to kill the floor boss

[viscid spear]

Then how the hell are they doing it in 1m30s?

[gusty mirage]

are you running it as assassination?

[viscid spear]

ofc

[gusty mirage]

well thats why

[viscid spear]

Not expecting to do it that fast but still

[gusty mirage]

sub has burst damage

assassination does not

[vestal wren]

assassination has no burst damage
vendetta:

[viscid spear]

Well let's see

I must not be as good

[spice spire]

30% extra damage big burst

[oak sky]

Having to put up bleeds and snd first

[viscid spear]

Didn't give me Renown, so it's not guaranteed?

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

you get one vendetta per run

[balmy condor]

36 ash

[gusty mirage]

wait so it resets on boss wipes/resets

but not torghast floors?

[slow marsh]

oh does it?

[gusty mirage]

ye they fixed it

2min cds reset now

[oak sky]

ok, then you get only 1 flag

[gusty mirage]

play obedience

get 2

jk

you'll never get 30 stacks as sin

[oak sky]

mfd 👀

[gusty mirage]

28/29 != 30

you might get some rng help

and get 30

[oak sky]

you literally need bad rng to get 30

[slow marsh]

yeah

[oak sky]

we live in a society

[gusty mirage]

our best pull last night

sylv parried my opening mutilate

[oak sky]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

I was so tilted

[slow marsh]

that's nothing

[gusty mirage]

then she parried my next mutilate

[slow marsh]

on my painsmith kill

[gusty mirage]

then she parried my flag

[slow marsh]

he parried flag on p2

[vestal wren]

soul ash stonk ^^

[gusty mirage]

[oak sky]

yeah

thats the pain

right there

[gusty mirage]

I wish I could see which way she's facing

but I have an alaskan blizzard and a spear of bastion in all its glory

and like 20 people around her

[balmy condor]

I thought layer 1 dropped more honestly imagine having to farm layer 1 till you get 5100 ash for a 262

[gusty mirage]

delete frost dk

[sharp zodiac]

There is nothing more tilting in life than Flag getting parried, not realizing it, then seeing 1 stack on your WA

[meager meadow]

Why am I getting vers from nadja fatal flaw? Literally nothing has changed since before patch, where I was getting crit, and now I'm getting vers every single time

anyone else experiencing this?

[autumn frost]

Could shadowstep before flag

Makes sure you don't get parried

Also try to look where the tank is.

[visual prairie]

is flag parry when you only get 1 stack and it doesn't go up?

or is that a bug?

[autumn frost]

On sylv

[visual prairie]

ok, nm i guess so. i haven't seen that in forever and then it happened yesterday

[sharp zodiac]

Known bug. Report it. @balmy condor will probably make a statement on this soon

[balmy condor]

yeh idk if it deserves a pin or something but I was thinking about it

most people playing theotar anyway

[viscid spear]

Did Theo get better or something? Thought the pick was Nadja

[balmy condor]

theo with crit tea has always been better, but it usually just wins on higher gear straight up

[slow marsh]

dashing made lethal poisons a bit better so the 3 pot is pretty nice

[sharp zodiac]

Next change we can ask blizz for in 9.2 is on the fly conduit changes with tomes

[slow marsh]

yeah

that shoul'dve been in the qol stuff this patch

[sharp zodiac]

They just don’t wanna make the covenant homes useless yet

Still need to give you a reason to go there

[visual prairie]

i might actually finish my covenant now that torghast gives you souls for the souls quest

[sharp zodiac]

Pardon? It does 👀

[visual prairie]

yeah, rescuing those guys counts towards the 20 instead of having to run around themaw

[slow marsh]

yessir

[sharp zodiac]

HOLEEHHHH

I say this but realistically fuck torghast

[drifting cloud]

ah yes those 50yards you can run in a circle in the center of the maw

truly the hardest quest

[visual prairie]

it's still annoying. i never finished it

i don't mind torghast for whatever reason

[sharp zodiac]

It’s not about hardest it’s about tedious

Like nerfing my poor by Yorik yesterday 😦

[drifting cloud]

clicking 20 souls inside torghast is more tedious than the 4min it takes to complete that quest in the maw

[visual prairie]

we'll have to agree to disagree

[thick sail]

@drifting cloud no, because Torghast is at least kind of fun with an end goal with bosses, mechanics, and loot at the end. That "click 20 things" is a garbage tier quest

[drifting cloud]

ah yes torghast is truly fun, very common take indeed

[sharp zodiac]

Who whoa

[oak sky]

you know what else is tedious? doing the quest and then having to do torghast later

[sharp zodiac]

No one said torghast is fun

[sharp zodiac]

Amen

[oak sky]

its better because its multitasking

not because torghast is fun

[drifting cloud]

if you actually did souls quests youd have everything built 3months ago

[oak sky]

running around the maw is even worse than torghast

i did souls quests when they mattered

[balmy condor]

not on kyian tho

[oak sky]

all i need is the portals anyway

[visual prairie]

if building that stuff made any difference, i would have just done it

[sharp zodiac]

When you’ve been flip flopping covenants the souls run out quick quick

[drifting cloud]

yeah thats why youre not gonna do it now aswell

[visual prairie]

but once i had the portal to oribos, the covenant can get bent

[oak sky]

yeah but souls count as renown catchup

[sharp zodiac]

We’re not all just venth chads

(Disclaimer am currently venth chad)

[oak sky]

i already did torghast with the souls quest for necro

[visual prairie]

but I am gonna do it now, because i am doing torghast anyway to get weird legendaries like blunderbuss

[slow marsh]

PIRATE BOY

[sharp zodiac]

Listen don’t act like you haven’t been switching your loot spec to outlaw on Painsmith

[pseudo hamlet]

The renown catch-up mechanic is working up to the 80? Was wondering if it's possible to do it in a week while spamming grindable content.

[slow marsh]

I only got to kill mPain once

and i actually forgot to set it to outlaw

xD

[sharp zodiac]

I’ve seen Vein ripper drop 3 weeks in a row now

Not to me though

[sharp zodiac]

Where are you guys now

[slow marsh]

fate

[sharp zodiac]

Cheesin’ P3 or trying to do runes

[slow marsh]

cheese

[sharp zodiac]

Close yet?

Any heartbreaking 0% wipes

[slow marsh]

not 0%. we had like a 4 % i think where we were 10 seconds off

[limber lion]

Pushing p3 feels so much better

We used to do runes back in progression and it was awful

[dim mural]

you send on CD p3 sylv or wait for flag+ven to line up?

[sharp zodiac]

Just normal rotation

Why would you change anything

[viscid spear]

Why do I sometimes having a floating weapon as Outlaw? Like the Blood DK ability

[placid pagoda]

Cev is running obe as assa common? my sims put crit haste obe over dashing now for me

[sharp zodiac]

You can if your haste is high enough

[placid pagoda]

20%

[limber lion]

Yeh it's fine

Especially with MfD

[sharp zodiac]

We’ll there’s no number

[placid pagoda]

yup

[limber lion]

It's pretty poggywoggy actually

[placid pagoda]

im excited now

[viscid spear]

Anyone?

[visual prairie]

there are like 3 legendaries and 5 talent setups you can run that are all like within 2% of each other and your parse just comes down to, did winds of winter crit?

[viscid spear]

Can't find the reason

[autumn frost]

Is mfd with no resets a single target dps increase on some of you mythic raiding obedience raiders? Just curious.

[limber lion]

Yes it is.

[autumn frost]

Interesting.

[jaunty hill]

Dashing with frost and around 43% crit. Sims better as any other combs

but only with EP & Vigor

at least for me tho

[golden basalt]

Are you necro with bonesmith?

[viscid spear]

Yeah

[autumn frost]

Final trait

Mnemonic equipment.

[viscid spear]

Oh, that represents the extra damage

I don't think my DK has him as the soulbind, or she does and I'm daft

[balmy condor]

9.1.5 Funny Bugs (ALL FIXED)
Fatal flaw from nadjia is comparing vers rating to crit percentage Fixed. THEOTAR IS STILL BETTER WITH CRIT TEA, JUST LIKE BEFORE

Frost rime, the shield from crit frost shard, simply does not work. Fixed.

[arctic hare]

Oh god, shield don’t work

Noooooo!

I need that to survive!

[kind talon]

i mean

its pretty bad

[arctic hare]

I know, it was a joke

[kind talon]

lol

[arctic hare]

But still useful to have

[kind talon]

its the shield that goes to your teammates

[viscid spear]

It's not too bad going through the Cov campaign again, because I try out other specs

[arctic hare]

Oh

Screw that then

[viscid spear]

They can fend for themselves

Imagine relying on a Rogue for absorbs, sheesh

[autumn frost]

But I crit all the time. I want the parse numbers.

[balmy condor]

It’s hilarious to me that a whole ass gem just doesn’t work anymore lmao

Like yeah it’s a utility one and it sucks

But like

Bruh

[hollow river]

Pretty bad that it’s broken, yes

[viscid spear]

Blizz has a track record of not treating ass very well

[kind talon]

yeah exactly

the gem is extremely good

its very bad that its not working

[hollow river]

[kind talon]

its actually a very good gem is what i meant

lol

oops

[hollow river]

Heals as much as an Hpal per pull

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[balmy condor]

It’s 200-250 hps

It’s not that great

But it’s something

[golden basalt]

Our hpala has starting to refuse to heal in raid, he is just dpsing and providing utility at this point

[autumn frost]

I want it back and buffed.

[balmy condor]

And it’s just law/sin/dh

[autumn frost]

Ashen hallow is all the healing he needs to do, no?

I mean we all need healing in the first 20 seconds are start of pull XD

While last is going.

[golden basalt]

He’s aiming for 100 dps parses across the board as holy

We have two pumper mw monks so mainly don’t notice it too much during alt clears

[hollow river]

Yeah ik but do we know how it chooses it’s targets?

Because I’m pretty sure it’s saved some peoples asses in a crunch

[balmy condor]

I think it's got the same smart healing as other aoe heals

[spark scaffold]

How big is the dps loss from having 20% vers instead of the crit 😦

[balmy condor]

pretty big

just play theotar instead

[versed mica]

Who wants to bet how many months it'll take for blizzard to fix it

[spark scaffold]

Damn I really loved playing nadjia

[hollow river]

I think I’m just gonna play necro instead

Or sub

[spark scaffold]

I guess 3 potency with lethal poisons is the way then?

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

sorry king, tea sucks

drink coffee instead

ig

[versed mica]

Idk, I don't like playing around dauntless duel on multi target fights

Then again, I hate dealing with theotar parasol

[spark scaffold]

Understand but stat weights kinda change for me now

When I swap from nadjia to theotar right

So that's kinda annoying

[limber lion]

But you really don't play around Dauntless Duelist

[strange python]

What's the ST covenant for sub/ass...kyr?

[limber lion]

You hit the boss in the beginning and then it's on the boss permanently for the entire fight.

[versed mica]

Emphasis on multi target fights

On the 9 it's objectively better to envenom the dd target

[limber lion]

Definitely

But even without Dauntless there is no reason to swap targets

[drifting cloud]

@balmy condor fun frostrime fact

our healer uses it with uh set and it works for him

but not for me or the dh who use frost set

[kind talon]

Instagram

[balmy condor]

pog

healer shard

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

So I have to change to Theo now for Sin?

[brazen zodiac]

Wait you can keep doing the soul quest for renown?

[viscid spear]

No

Only the first time will give Renown, the repeat ones don't

[brazen zodiac]

Also I read a lil but just to check nindja is broken rn?

[heavy forge]

fatal flaw is broken

[spice spire]

Ye

[brazen zodiac]

Are the sims picking that up or is it safe to just go with theo

Cause I wouldn't know the diff between crit vers (assuming it's perma giving u vers)

I was using non-Japanese last night and it seemed fine weird

Nindja* sorry auto correct lol

[spice spire]

Go with theo

[slow marsh]

the vers isn't bad but the reason nadjia is so good is because of the 20% crit after haste

assuming you actually get to use it, which is why i went theo a long ass time ago cuz i just noticed my thrill procs were happening at not ideal times

[oak sky]

Once a week

[slow marsh]

theo also has more value in aoe so there's that too

[timid cloud]

When you do souls you get a repeatable for getting more & you can also get them in Torghast now.

[viscid spear]

Anyone know if i can switch to a different cov while I'm on a campaign quest for a different one?

[slow marsh]

you just only get renown from the first / week

[slow marsh]

yes

you can pick up weeklies for each cov as well

[viscid spear]

But I can't use the Anima weekly from Venthyr to get Renown for Necro, right?

Also my hearth is messed up, makes setting it to the Covenant pointless

And titles don't carry over?

[slow marsh]

everything is saved to cov

[viscid spear]

So I can use appearances from all of them, but titles stay with the respective covs?

[slow marsh]

im pretty sure the titles save

[viscid spear]

Went back to Venthyr to change to Theo and lost Baroness

[slow marsh]

well then there you go

i don't use titles so i dont pay attention tbh

[viscid spear]

I only use Crazy Cat Lady so it doesn't affect me, but still weird

[oak sky]

i was running count before but now i just go breker of chains

breaker

[viscid spear]

I need to upgrade my Transport network in Necrolord so I have the portal

Bought two of the appearance sets thinking I could sell them back, can't. So that's 20k gone

[timid cloud]

Are we just playing Theotar until they fix Nadjia?

[slow marsh]

been playing theo

[oak sky]

im gonna do theo at least until the patch

until its fixed

i mean

[sharp zodiac]

I feel like im being baited hard with this theo talk

[viscid spear]

Theo not Cleo

[oak sky]

i mean nadjia is bugged

and theotar is already really close