assassination

[thick sail]

My old eyes can finally visualize the mouse cursor during combat

[soft shale]

pog

[dense hamlet]

wtf is that

[quaint carbon]

[timid cloud]

[glass tulip]

So we recleared up to fatescribe and killed him in 30 minutes 😎

up to KT we go

[soft shale]

pog

[bleak sky]

holy shit it's an actual thing

[soft shale]

now you can have the hand of sargeras

[bleak sky]

it's weird af having it at 128x128

[subtle tundra]

i swear

IT ALWAYS WORKS

wtf do i take

[bronze pike]

T-th-the dagger :,D

Cause you know, might be bis off hand next patch

[subtle tundra]

its my 2nd one

[bronze pike]

Doesn’t sin need two tho?

Since double daggers?

[subtle tundra]

yea, but phial is only from vault

with lower chance

[bronze pike]

That’s very much true

get phial

If you have one syl dagger then your set for next patch

[oak sky]

it feels like everyones getting good loot today

:/

[bronze pike]

Who knows maybe you’ll get another dagger next week or in your next syl kill

If it makes u feel better, I got relics lol

[subtle tundra]

never makes me feel better when other people get bad loot

it only game 🙂

[slow marsh]

You farm another phial at the start of next tier

[subtle tundra]

and i farm high ilvl dagger aswell

[bronze pike]

Get phial, sounds like you got syl on farm :)

I remember when I got lucky and got a 242 phial from week one vault lmao

[subtle tundra]

idk how good 2nd dagger is for m+

[slow marsh]

it's highest ilvl

so better than phial

for m+

[subtle tundra]

not necessarily

stats good

[slow marsh]

+/- of 2 agi and a small bump on ST damage proc but one of them comes with increased weapon dps which is our highest prio

[willow rover]

hey guys random question, do u need to save shaping fate/1000 anima quest to go from renown 78-80 or can i just grind the last 2 renown

[timid cloud]

Should be fine.

[potent barn]

just point your mouse over the renown level it should show from what you can still earn renown from

[ebon fulcrum]

Is shard of bek even proc on sylv fight?

[timid cloud]

You’ll usually get them from Emmi’s, M+, & raid bosses on all difficulties.

[timid cloud]

Yes. On mythic you push her below 50% also good for adds in P2.

Comp stomp also counts as PVP & it takes as much time as a torghast if you were to skip it on a rogue.

[ebon fulcrum]

I'm wondering if its worth to put my chest for the eye (haste vers) with shard of bek. instead of my 252 chest with crit haste (weekly chest)

[timid cloud]

That’s a....

[ebon fulcrum]

the sim says that the shard is better. but I'm only getting few seconds on sylv under 50%

[soft shale]

if you're assa i guess you're using frost set

use zed and dyz

[timid cloud]

[soft shale]

its more dmg than bek

[timid cloud]

Moment.

[soft shale]

nah no need to sim just trust

[timid cloud]

There’s just plenty of stuff to hit for Sylvanas, depending on the difficulty, so you still get use outta it.

[soft shale]

i mean if you have to choose between bek and zed one does something the other does not in p3

but its never going to be worth using a M+ vault chest vs a dom socket gear

[ebon fulcrum]

dom socket is worth more than stats?

[soft shale]

he already has a 252 eye chest

that one has good stats

[ebon fulcrum]

its haste vers

[soft shale]

unless its a 239 then hmm

[ebon fulcrum]

no, its 252

[soft shale]

ye haste vers its k

[slow marsh]

Haste vers is fine

[ebon fulcrum]

over crit?

(using frost shards ofc)

[slow marsh]

More haste is more crits which is more winds damage

[soft shale]

i mean if you have sylv chest at 246 might wanna sim

but i think agi wins out

[slow marsh]

It does

Unless you're in the weird breakpoint of needing crit

[ebon fulcrum]

its the same agi. both are 252

[soft shale]

yea then eye chest

[drifting cloud]

put zed in chest and sim it against the crit one

[slow marsh]

You can just sim

[drifting cloud]

hard stuff

[slow marsh]

^

[soft shale]

yea or do that

might have to wait a bit now because eu just got vault

[timid cloud]

...

[soft shale]

so you have a 5k que

but still ye

[timid cloud]

Not having premium.

[ebon fulcrum]

the sim says using bek. but in sylv it might not be worth

[soft shale]

change it to zed

uncheck bek

[slow marsh]

Lol

[timid cloud]

It usually is, on god.

[ebon fulcrum]

kk. I'll try

[timid cloud]

Imma still drop my CD’s into the Goliath in P2 to get it for lust in P3. Heroic, or Mythic, doesn’t matter.

I WANT that red gemmy.

[drifting cloud]

gratz?

[timid cloud]

I’m just saying, you gotta do it for the gains.

So you want that little bit of oomf.

[ebon fulcrum]

6 dps gain

[soft shale]

lets gooo

[timid cloud]

[slow marsh]

Massive gains

[timid cloud]

Hey. I’ve since the differences between rank 1 & 2 be that much.

[slow marsh]

Try literally 1 dps

[timid cloud]

[hexed frost]

have to decide 252 dom feet and 252 plaguefall dagger. Currently both slots are 239

[timid cloud]

Daggy.

[hexed frost]

God gives his hardest battles to his bravest children

[timid cloud]

Feetsies can be replaced quickly if you’re still reclearing first 3.

Or if you’re still getting vaults up to guardian.

[hexed frost]

rogue is my alt. I'm only allowed to bring them till soulrender

[timid cloud]

Hmm...if you’re still killing The Nine then I still think dagger is worth.

[soft shale]

that is fine nine boots are the best

[timid cloud]

Cause the next dagger at 252 would be the one from Remnant.

[soft shale]

and it has sucky stats

so if the GV dagger has haste or crit it would be better

[timid cloud]

Either way they both have dead stat mastery, but at least one is gonna still be bigger than boot upgrades since weapon damage.

[hexed frost]

Sim wise the boot give me 40ish dps boost

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dJDJ4CFR45SfSEeFoy6FWC

[timid cloud]

Lightless force!

[hexed frost]

ahh crap

forgot to change to sin

[timid cloud]

Just looks like a mitico plus set since, Zold.

Unless that’s your one size fits all legendary.

[hexed frost]

No i need to craft doomblade

ignore the leggo for now

[drifting cloud]

get a blue crafted neck over that hot steaming garbage from tarragrue

[timid cloud]

^

Might want to gem crit too, you have gigga haste on all of your gear.

I can’t see gems since I’m on mobile.

[slow marsh]

Doomblade

[timid cloud]

Well, at least it’s not Night Fae.

[slow marsh]

True

[hexed frost]

Yes

[slow marsh]

Are you upgrading unholy gems first too or what

[hexed frost]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eXk9E6LG55yS7kS5fzJBvv

omega fcuking lul

dagger now BiS because sinful revelation

[hexed frost]

Frost are 5-4-4

[slow marsh]

So why are you crafting doomblade then

[hexed frost]

Because i don't have soundrel memory now

I have enough cinders for both scoundrel and doomblade

[slow marsh]

Ah I see

[gusty adder]

finally 9.1.5 ❤️

[soft shale]

you can get scoundrel in lfr

[gusty adder]

Now where do I quick and dirty find a lashing scars? 😄

[drifting cloud]

shaping fate

[gusty adder]

Perfect, thanks

good point

[simple rivet]

is it possible

to make a macro that will show my signature ability, depending on what covenant I am?

i'll ask this in #wow-general

sry

[oak sky]

maybe
#showtooltip
/cast Serrated Bonespike
/cast Flagellation

/cast Sepsis
/cast Echoing Reprimand

[simple rivet]

that would work i'm pretty sure

only problem is the icon doesn't show up

[soft shale]

the showtooltip would work i think right

it would show the available one

[strange python]

ideal opener with subterfuge and flag?

talent

[normal mist]

Last week got 0 sylvanas drops but her ring in the vault.
This week got 0 sylvanas drops but her chest in the vault.
Will this reset be the one that awards me the dagger?;

[strange python]

nope

[normal mist]

Fuck.

[thorny spruce]

never see this f*** dagger since the begining 🙂

[strange python]

I want to change to venthyr now. What is the best opener when you have subterfuge talent, considering you have to use garrote instead of opening with muti? been necro ever since.

[limber lion]

Why would you play subterfuge

[strange python]

m+

[limber lion]

Aight

[strange python]

I love it

[limber lion]

With SnD running:

Gar gar gar gar ct fok fok rup, maintain ct/snd

Slap Shiv/Flag/Vend anywhere after the first 4 garrotes

On a priority target

[viscid schooner]

guys which one should i choose, i have my doubts shoulders or weapon because i still have a korthian OH

[limber lion]

Or hold if need be

[limber lion]

Sim it with topgear

[golden basalt]

yea

no other answer

[limber lion]

You can use the simc addon to get the string for top gear

And sim all vault items at once

[viscid schooner]

i have they say the shoulders

[north basin]

Guys how do we perform in m+ mass aoe packs? Still billions behind ele hunters firemages?

[viscid schooner]

but i hate my OH so badly haha

[golden basalt]

eh

OH doesnt matter that much

its mainly about its speed

[viscid schooner]

okay okay

[golden basalt]

you also have better stats on your korthia dagger

[weary marten]

you can loot a 236 in random M+

[golden basalt]

grab the shoulders

[weary marten]

take a better loot imo

[viscid schooner]

okay so ill take the shoulders

[golden basalt]

well yea its a dps increase and a better investment time wise

[weary marten]

yeah huge gain + dom socket

[viscid schooner]

look at the fucked up stats at what im wearing btw

[golden basalt]

vers mastery ew

[weary marten]

yeah so totally shoulders

[limber lion]

Yep

[weary marten]

if you don't Mythic raid, you'll never get better than these

stats are insane, ilvl pretty good

dagger you loot a 236 and you pump to 249 with valor points

[viscid schooner]

took them where do i farm stygia fast to remove the dom gem in the older one

i like to do m+

i farmed MoTS for crazy and Plaguelands but still no loot haha

[weary marten]

will happen dw

patch will be long

[golden basalt]

just focus on PF imo

trinket and dagger are both amazing

[viscid schooner]

trinket i got

got it in my first run

its on 236 now

[strange python]

@limber lion dont you want to Rup inside your flag, due to it being a finisher.

2 more 20's to go in time and I have them all. luckily I got myself a 20 spires key this week. One of the 2 I need left.

[viscid schooner]

what is the best lego for me? im venth

obedience?

[dapper flint]

if frost set and alot of crit = dashing

[placid pagoda]

for assa? Doomblade or Dashing Scoundrel

[weary marten]

He said he is venthyr, so obedience i guess

[viscid schooner]

im venthyr yeah

still obedience right?

@placid pagoda

[placid pagoda]

what?

no

if your assa venth

[viscid schooner]

im ass venth

assa

[placid pagoda]

its Doomblade or Dashing

Dashing then

with the frost set

[viscid schooner]

dont have dashing yet

why not obedience?

[placid pagoda]

obe is strong for Sub, not so much for assa

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/legendaries/castingpatchwerk

Sim yourself if you want

but dashing with the domination frost set is the play for venth assa

[bleak sky]

Obedience sims pretty much the same as dashing for me

So you really do have to sim it I guess

[viscid schooner]

its for m+ not raiding, well i raid sometimes but mostly m+

[placid pagoda]

Obe will give you flexibility to do sub and assa, craft it crit / versa

[bleak sky]

Do you have zoldycks already?

[placid pagoda]

then yeah obe will be okay but if your doing M+ as assa you want Zoldykz

[viscid schooner]

yes

[bleak sky]

I like playing obe in keys but I'm a scrub

[viscid schooner]

i see at other rogues in m+ mostly obe

thats why i ask

[bleak sun]

i'm playing obe too

[bleak sky]

You pretty much get a 1 min CD on flag so

Pretty decent for killing important targets

[viscid schooner]

i have a doomblade right now

[bleak sun]

like tormented affix

[bleak sky]

Doomblade in keys is weird

Wouldn't run it

[bleak sun]

until it's TOP

otherwise it's weird

[bleak sky]

I'd just run obe tbh

[viscid schooner]

and crit/haste as sec stat?

[bleak sky]

Yep

[viscid schooner]

thanks

[weary marten]

i only win 30dps if i replace obedience with dashing

[limber lion]

Always use Flag before a finisher, be it rupture, ct or envenom.

[strange python]

does serrated bone stack when applied to the same target?

necrolord ability

[languid light]

No, it doesn't stack

[hybrid portal]

with this stat weight mentioned in FAQ For M+, Crit > Mastery=Haste >= Vers, what legendary is in use for this sim?

[strange python]

Zoldyck I guess

Or DS

[spice spire]

Any. The legendary doesn’t change the stat prio

[dense hamlet]

u just gain a extra cp if u sbs a target that has the dot

wait does it actually work like taht even

i forgor

[solid nymph]

40 dps between DS and Obedience, is this normal?

[spice spire]

Yes

[solid nymph]

So might as well make Obedience since that is good for sub as well i guess?

[spice spire]

Yes, as long as ones around you’ll get an extra

Obedience is good

[dense hamlet]

its been too long since i played necro man my brain dosent work anymore

and the last time i was necro it was when sbs didnt refund and didnt even give extra cp based on targets

that was some cringe weeks

[hollow river]

Dark, dark times my friend

[dense hamlet]

true

and the day i swapped it got hotfixed or something i dont remember

[spice spire]

Necro sin OTP

Truly the most medium of mediums

Ur good tho homie, shit happens

[dense hamlet]

u just never swap do u

[spice spire]

Nah I’ve swapped several times

[dense hamlet]

and back to necro

[spice spire]

9.1 > now just NL

Now that it’s free I’ll do venthyr too

Cuz venthyr hella pog, but needed NL for dungeon group

[dense hamlet]

i hope nf stays dogwater

im not leveling that shit

[subtle gyro]

its not THAT bad actually

[dense hamlet]

what leveling?

or nf

[subtle gyro]

nf

[dense hamlet]

isnt it like

1k behind

i guess closer now

[ebon thorn]

is that a ninja frost shard nerf

or am i tripping

[dense hamlet]

what is?

[ebon thorn]

Cor gives 1.5% dmg increase for 20

instead of 3%

max rank

[dense hamlet]

what

[ebon thorn]

nvm

app its half in comp stomp

[dense hamlet]

[keen mantle]

Hello guys . My assassination spec sims 11.250 . My sub 11650 and my Outlaw 11930 . why do i feel assassination is still best for the raid . is it because the bosses have intermissions phases and stuff and assassination is performing better because of that?

[gusty mirage]

Not sure why you feel it’s still best for raid. But I can tell you a lot of people are more comfortable with assassination because it’s the least punishing of the 3 for losing some uptime on the boss. Even with intermissions and stuff it’s still the worst of the 3

[spice spire]

You probably play it better, and assassination is the most forgiving

[gusty mirage]

^ and this

[ruby oyster]

is necro covenant ability affected by zoldyc?

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[ruby oyster]

great, ty

[gusty mirage]

Np

[vestal wren]

i think subtlety with venthyr is even worse in terms of being punishing

[gusty mirage]

Ye if you mess up your flag window you’re donezo

At least from my own personal experience

[vestal wren]

but with kyrian being compatitive with a decent EoN, its probably getting slightly better

will be interesting to see how many players will swap to kyrian and how many stay on venthyr

[spice spire]

Kyrian looked uh

Interesting last night

On sub

[vestal wren]

koji also improved kyrian slightly for sin

still behind tho

[dense hamlet]

how slight ?

[spice spire]

Kyrian sim seems awful given how high on crit we are and seal fate

[dense hamlet]

oh wait ur free to swap now

fuck that then

[honest heath]

Are we able to transferring soul cinders now?

Or is it still only Ash?

[spice spire]

Only ash afaik

[gusty mirage]

Cinder drops got mega buffed though

One 12 layer gives you almost as much as two runs gave last week

[thorny pond]

They really are going all in on me getting a second rogue to max lol

[gusty mirage]

Is it time I bust out the nelf rogue?

Betray the horde and play with my boy Beach?

[spice spire]

Miss the beach Patrick pfp :/

That was peak beach

[gusty mirage]

Same

[thorny pond]

That was toxic beach

[spice spire]

Reformed?

So if I ask a pinned question rn we’re gonna get an honest answer

[thorny pond]

Nah. Just trying to not get relegated

[spice spire]

Respect the grustle

[thorny pond]

tbf I haven't kept up on sin changes much anyways since the MfD non-sense

[thorny pond]

VoidElf = Best Elf

[gusty mirage]

I have one of those too

[spice spire]

Oxi just an elf OTP

[thorny pond]

The only downside of going alliance is the garona tier set from TotGC is garbage

[golden basalt]

Yes but BFA pvp season 1 set more than makes up for that

[thorny pond]

Nerds pvp

[fallen arch]

Night elf is the only elf

Meld mvp for m+

Change my mind

[hollow river]

Orc or die

[gusty mirage]

That reform lasted a solid 1 week

[golden basalt]

Goblin or delete

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

If goblin sims the best I will actually delete my rogue

[weary marten]

hey guys, as necro are we still playing heirmir for the crit buff ?

[dense hamlet]

yes

[weary marten]

thanks

[solar stump]

You're just not gonna notice a difference based on your race 😂

[echo geyser]

There are some boundaries u shouldnt cross

But also toys exist, so u can be 24/7 something else

[vestal wren]

i think you can now farm cinders easy by running some low level torghast

only problem is that it requires you to play torghast

[golden basalt]

I did layer 10 over an over this morning for a new 262 legendary with basically no prior resources, each run took roughly 7-8 min so it’s not that bad

Doubt I’m gonna do it again anytime soon though

[normal mist]

The legendary items cost 📶

The AH items I mean

[pastel shale]

My server's plummeted, thank god. 32k for r6 legs

[vestal wren]

you can do a layer 10 in ~5 mins with a bit of practice iirc

[pastel shale]

Is Deathspike ever really worth running in M+ as Sin? I'm assuming it's just outclassed by Zold

[spice spire]

Nah you just stealth to end it’s pretty free, fuu

[spice spire]

No lol. Zoldyck’s outright better

[golden basalt]

DS is giga useless as soon as there’s only 1 target

[clever kindle]

you can also run Marileth depending on the fight

[hollow river]

I wish I had more time to collect stuff like you do man you’ve got so many toys lmao

[clever kindle]

You just have to work on them 1 event at a time, do a sweep through easily gotten quest toys. Always seems like end of expac is a good time to go do that old stuff you never have time for normally

[hollow river]

Yeah I went and got my Kingslayers and one of the hidden appearances the other day

[echo geyser]

well the best 24/7 one is gone in keys

[hollow river]

But I spend most of my downtime trying to make gold

[echo geyser]

for Burgy

[hollow river]

s in the chat for Burgy

[clever kindle]

dont knock doing old content for gold making either

Plenty of stuff in MoP etc that can still make you money, engineering stuff, the time gated materials that lead to mounts etc

Plenty of people out there looking to finish collections and shit

[spice spire]

Can’t hate on big boy fragger ramfam

Literal god tier wow player

[hollow river]

Yeah I know but I’m on such a tiny server that old stuff doesn’t sell well

[spice spire]

Casually and competitively

Unreal

[clever kindle]

ayo

rank 2

[hollow river]

I’m not hating @spice spire I actually wish I had the time lol

[clever kindle]

who beat me

[spice spire]

I know king, I enjoy the banter

[hollow river]

[violet jackal]

We know it wasn’t cevarion that’s for sure

[clever kindle]

ok well the rank 1 was a minute and a half faster then our kill

[hollow river]

[solar stump]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QYxZzN6vybVkpK3X#fight=4&type=auras&source=7

I think we give up on logs at this point boys

[odd heath]

Lol

9 PIs and KA

[inland hull]

Holy hell

[odd heath]

Seems fair

[spice spire]

9 PIs and a KA

What the fuck

[vestal wren]

just do some boosting in order to buy some pi simping

priests in 9.1.5: 🤑

[inland hull]

Should name that log "Friendship is Power"

[umbral sandal]

Quick question. As Assa rogue in m+. Do you wanna funnel the same way as sub?

[spice spire]

Yes and no.

[umbral sandal]

depends on situation ?

[spice spire]

You don’t quite have the energy regen, so you’ll have to pump some ruptures and garrotes. But you can funnel into a primary target outside of that

[umbral sandal]

Thank you

[solar stump]

9 PIs, Kyrian Affinity, Night Fae Priest for Vendetta CDR and 2 necro warriors 😂

[fallen arch]

77% pi uptime

[spice spire]

Actual degen gameplay

[fallen arch]

Legit

Seems low

[spice spire]

There are some (I think it was nerzhul) 97% uptime

Disgusting

[solar stump]

I've had legit buyers asking for this before

[inland hull]

No windfury? Scrub...

[spice spire]

True actually

[fallen arch]

Yeah what a cheap boost

[spice spire]

Found the tech

[bleak sun]

Im tempted to play full mast necro zoldyck this week

[spice spire]

Just gotta get the extra WFT

[fallen arch]

So many PI’s, didn’t get enha in

[vestal wren]

i mean its quick money, so seems fair

[spice spire]

Mirth reminding us that oshosi still had shooters in the streets

[odd heath]

Is the mastery meme back?

[fallen arch]

Why no

Seliathan has been doing it all the time

[spice spire]

Full mast?

[fallen arch]

Crit mast

I mean, all pieces have 2 stats so there is no such thing as full mastery?

[spice spire]

I think he means full sending mastery enchants + gems kinda deal

[fallen arch]

Ye why not

[lone junco]

Is seli back to doing keys as sin? Last I saw he had to go outlaw.

[fallen arch]

It doesn’t matter that much

[spice spire]

It’s crit then whatever the fuck else you get

[fallen arch]

It will cuck your boss dam a bit

But more aoe

[spice spire]

I don’t think seli is playing rn

Retail anyway

[fallen arch]

Nah but he was before

I mean, who still plays

Even I get bored with the game and that says a lot

[spice spire]

I play

[fallen arch]

I hve respect for ppl still raiding and doing everything else

Everyone I played with is gone

Literally everyone

[odd heath]

Not much to do

We are just clearing for mounts here

And on the free time I sell boosts sometimes

And that's it

[fallen arch]

Ye I did that up until I gave up

It sucked the fun out of it for me, not a real sense of purpose

Hoping for better times in 10.0

[inland hull]

Hell, I feel like I'm just now learning how to play. Log reviews I've gotten in here have pulled me up from gray/green to blue/purple.

[limber lion]

Love to see it

We love improvement

[spice spire]

We do love improvement

[hexed frost]

Queued for 6 hrs still couldn't get a council

I will just ask my guild to have a CN run for those still wanting leggos

Bruh look at my mastery jfc

[fallen arch]

Haste on rings

Why

[spice spire]

Doesn’t have frost set yet

[hexed frost]

sims better for me

[spice spire]

Haste sims better atm

[hexed frost]

I have 4-4-5 frost. I took this screenshot chilling in oribos

[spice spire]

Ahhhh

[limber lion]

Gotta get t4/t5 frost set to get value out of it

hmm

[spice spire]

Haste still sims better

That’s wild

[limber lion]

interesting legendary choice

[spice spire]

This was probably for keys

I’d assume

[hexed frost]

Zoldyck for the dungeons. Going to make a doomblade and dashing now

Bruh this is not my raid setup jesus

[limber lion]

imagine swapping shards for m+

[fallen arch]

Stacking mastery with haste for dungeons

Is not a great idea I think

[hexed frost]

I know. But i can't help it. I keep getting mastery gear. I want H>=C>V>M as it sims better for me but can't get those gear

[limber lion]

You misunderstood

haste is quite possibly the worst stat in m+

you want high crit/mastery

[fallen arch]

^

[hexed frost]

Hmmmm then maybe i'm simming wrong.

[fallen arch]

The thing is tho, that dslice keeps saying haste>mastery for me

So I get where you come from

[hexed frost]

Yes exactly

[fallen arch]

In real dungeon scenario tho, I can't imagine it makes that much of a difference

Just stack crit, rest is kinda w/e

[spice spire]

Dslice has a majority being cleave and ST, or at least 50%. And that’s where haste is still very good

[fallen arch]

yeah exactly

[spice spire]

But in aoe, it loses a ton of its efficiency

Because you won’t spend energy fast enough

[fallen arch]

Yes and no, if you have CT and poisons up on 8 targets, and like 4 garrotes and 4 rups out

Thats a lot of extra ticks with high(er) haste

[spice spire]

I didn’t say all, I said a lot 😛

[fallen arch]

and don't forget your juicy bone spikes

[spice spire]

Never do

[hexed frost]

hmmm i will keep in mind

Can anyone link your character armory for high key M+ runs?

[fallen arch]

Its same as raid but with Zoldyck and some haste swapped out for mastery if you have the pieces

It's not real rocket science tbh

[near magnet]

hello there , is it worth to swap fusion amp for ocular ( 239 amp 252 ocular ) for +40 dps? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4pWzuAifd9wKz8EVkEpNnc

[spice spire]

Ocular good at 252

[fallen arch]

If it says +40 dps, do it

[umbral sandal]

+40 better than -40

[peak bobcat]

I wish KT Parses counted 😔

[alpine latch]

I'm getting close to 10.4k. 11k is the dream but I'm not a Mythic raider, so it'll never happen.

[north basin]

mythic head from rohkalo and 252 phial in vault. why after 2 months of shit iam getting 2 bis items in 1shot. fuckgame

[alpine latch]

Thanks to the reset I now hold two 98% parses

That'll be gone in a week, but for now it's all i got

[spice spire]

[alpine latch]

9557 on Eye and 7813 on Painsmith

I was pumping last night

I beat the next highest person by 3250 DPS, lol

You would have been proud of me Quake

[umbral sandal]

Could someone explain why I parsed a 91 on soulrender hc with 11k final dmg? When I check the list over logs my name is there on the 99parse

[alpine latch]

Was the parse last night?

[umbral sandal]

Today

[alpine latch]

Warcraft Logs reset - there's a new partition

[spice spire]

If it was last night or today

[alpine latch]

There's like 300 parses

[umbral sandal]

Aha

[alpine latch]

Yeah

[spice spire]

It’s partition

[umbral sandal]

Aha wtf

[alpine latch]

Big nerfs to Sylv forced their hand

[spice spire]

Some degen also did the all external run for 6 bosses last night

[alpine latch]

They weren't planning on creating a new partition

A week ago there was almost 22k parses

As of last night there was barely 200

So parse numbers are a bit... odd right now

It'll balance out in a few weeks

[umbral sandal]

Aha wtf

Makes sense

[umbral sandal]

Why did they?

[slim wagon]

always happens when patches come through

makes sense cause there are always balance changes

[alpine latch]

There was some pretty big nerfs to sylv yesterday

And they felt that it warranted a new partition

[odd heath]

They create new partitions on every "big" patch

[alpine latch]

yeah, sorry. between the surprise nerfs to the raid and then just looking back 2 years and seeing that the consistent position would be to partition...

Yeah, but they announced that they weren't for 9.1.5

Then at the last minute they changed their minds and did

[gusty mirage]

Yeah the nerfs kind of made it necessary

[dark token]

is 15% to ranger shot a big sylv nerf?

[gusty mirage]

Yes actually

[dark token]

i dont even see that ability in dungeon journal

is it that constant shot she does on random people that applies barbed arrow in p1?

[gusty mirage]

No it’s the tank mechanic

[dark token]

15% to a tank mechanic doesnt warrant a new partition i think

its probably the class balancing + aoe cap change

[gusty mirage]

There were also other nerfs to Sylv in other difficulties besides the ranger shot nerf

And they changed painsmith again

Aoe cap change is irrelevant for raid

[dark token]

i mean dark sentinel pad

[soft shale]

frost set stonks

[odd heath]

Also kt pad on adds

[gusty mirage]

The tank mechanic nerf alone for mythic sylv made the fight significantly diff

[soft shale]

the pops will be epic

[dark token]

now i can pad like our shadow priest on KT

nice

[odd heath]

Honestly I didn't feel any difference lol

[soft shale]

ct gamers

get big stacks and pop them on an abo

chunk it for 40% of their life

[gusty mirage]

Well that’s probably because you’re not a tank or healer

[soft shale]

and make people queestion things

[dark token]

more like kt phases and adds havent spawned yet but frost set pops and it misses everything

[soft shale]

kek

[dark token]

i love it's timings in sylv p2, hits her when she is immune so much

[soft shale]

or go inside fast

[gusty mirage]

Less healing to do to the tank makes it easier for healers to make sure dumb dumb DPS can get healed after standing in stupid

[soft shale]

and pop the ghost

[odd heath]

For guilds that have that on farm its barely a change tbh

[soft shale]

for some guilds she already dies on platform 3

not mine tho

[gusty mirage]

They don’t make partition decisions based on how it affects people who have it on farm

It’s overall difficulty

And it’s now easier

[odd heath]

Imo it's more of an overall balance thing + big patch. Not small raid nerfs... There were bigger raid nerfs before without new partitions

[gusty mirage]

Remnant of Nerzhul was nerfed, soulrender was nerfed, painsmith was nerfed. Sylv was nerfed

It yeah

But*

“Small raid nerfs”

Can’t imagine why they’d want to partition after the 2 most difficult bosses were nerfed and 2 others were nerfed

Must be the massive buff to frost mage and uncapping people

[soft shale]

kt will be pad city

[gusty mirage]

Your DHs and Monks suck if the adds are alive long enough to let you pad

[soft shale]

lul as if i could pad

[gusty mirage]

[soft shale]

do you want to see something funny

our af warlock did like 5m to the adds

[gusty mirage]

Is it a DH 100 parse where they do tank damage to the boss on KT?

Because I’ve already seen a 98 one of those in real time

[soft shale]

the funniest thing is that even then it was a blue log

so i cant imagine how top logs of locks do

[gusty mirage]

Let me find my DH’s parse

[soft shale]

our dh had a 93

but he was ethical

[gusty mirage]

He did something absurd like 2.5 mil just to the devoted lmao

[soft shale]

meanwhile me with a green log because i didnt go padlord

[gusty mirage]

5.8mil damage overall, 1.53mil to KT

[cloud nacelle]

we using mfd now?

[soft shale]

that is correct

[spice spire]

If you’re venthyr yes

[thorn fjord]

mfd play is zzzzz

feelsbadman

[terse talon]

on both obe and dashing

[gusty mirage]

Then just play vigor. It’s like a 64 dps difference for me with dashing

[thorn fjord]

yeah probably will

[shut flame]

Guys, wdyt, is toxic onslaught anyhow useful compared to zoldyck in m+ content?

[thorn fjord]

Finally swapping back to sin after playing sub from Painsmith -> KT

[gusty mirage]

Night fae is not very good

[shut flame]

I mean, if it was simmed or not.

[umbral sandal]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[balmy condor]

Pure single target legendary for the most part, it’s not good compared to dashing and it’s not good in m+ and night fae is not good

[spice spire]

[lusty surge]

Nf would've been so sweet with that extra vanish

Imagine sepsis costing 25 energy and flag being free

[grand marten]

Hey all, I'm probably missing this somewhere and apologies if I am, but if I run dashing or MA do I hold Flag to align with Vendetta or just use on cd? First time finally going Venth.

[limber lion]

Generally always use Flag on cd.

You can try to sync some casts if you know you won't miss out on a cast over the entire encounter.

[grand marten]

Kk, figured as much but wanted to make sure.

[limber lion]

ie. the very last cast of Flag or Vend.

[grand marten]

Makes sense

[brazen zodiac]

love the pfp whispyr

[limber lion]

ty

[cloud nacelle]

Has venth st opener changed from mut>snd>gar>mut>flag>rup>vendetta>mut>mut>env>vanish>mut>env>mut>env?

[gusty mirage]

ye

[cloud nacelle]

Fml

[limber lion]

it has never been that

[gusty mirage]

mut > snd > mut

for the CP

[cloud nacelle]

Ye but except my lazy brain swapping garrote/mut..

[gusty mirage]

all mfd changes is you mfd > envenom at the end of the MA window after shiv -> vanish

so after vendetta, you'd shiv > vanish > mut > env > mfd > env

[cloud nacelle]

Oh totally forgot about shiv aswell 🙄

[limber lion]

Yeah, nothing has really changed rotation wise honestly.

It's been the same stuff since 9.0.5

[gusty mirage]

then after that you mfd on CD unless flag is about to come up within 15s iirc

[cloud nacelle]

I see, thx for clarification 😘

[alpine latch]

So .. Last night was my best pull I ever got on the Eye. Anyone got time to break it down and tell me how I can do even better?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kv38QJGZmHRxy1j4#fight=9&type=damage-done

[limber lion]

Yeh generally you always just hold one MfD for flags.

[limber lion]

Those 2 PI's definitely help.

[alpine latch]

Don't hate the player, hate the game ❤️

[spice spire]

Thread request, gonna eviscerate him 👿

Not really

[gusty mirage]

lmao

[limber lion]

Palmers log review

[spice spire]

Ty papi

[gusty mirage]

I think I got a PI on my heroic eye 99 it was during a sale

[kind talon]

[gusty mirage]

forever sullied

[kind talon]

Not even rank 1

[gusty mirage]

nothing worse than getting a PI you didn't ask for

[limber lion]

I got PI on my r1 Soulrender as well

[gusty mirage]

tbh

you do your normal rotation

[kind talon]

Oxi just get a 259 dagger bro

[gusty mirage]

and end up energy capped

[kind talon]

Lol

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

yes guys i also get PIs without asking yes i do for sure yes same

[kind talon]

Haha me too lmao

[limber lion]

filth.

[gusty mirage]

I never ask for PI because there's always a better target for it

[limber lion]

peasants.

[kind talon]

That’s so quirky

[gusty mirage]

thanks

almost as quirky as your pepe with a santa hat

[fluid crystal]

Have any of the big brains made a macro yet for swapping covenants so I don't have to swap my buttons between every covenant ability and class ability?

[limber lion]

I mean you can just macro all of the covenant abilities on one button

/cast Flag
/cast Sepsis
/cast Serrated Bone Spike
/cast Echoing Reprimand

[subtle tundra]

i have mouseover macro for sbs so i dont think it would work for me

[balmy condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/28#boss=2436&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&partition=1

Rank 7

[gusty mirage]

you just do the mouseover part for /cast sbs

4head

[subtle tundra]

nooo but that requires using brain

[gusty mirage]

true

[kind talon]

P4SS4S1N

PRO GAMER GOD

[gusty mirage]

unga bunga

[kind talon]

That fucking guy man

[gusty mirage]

we unga bunga together

[kind talon]

Sheeeeeeesh

That’s giga

Arigato

@gusty mirage unga Bunga with me? Uwuplead

[celest ruin]

do explosives refund sbs?

[gusty mirage]

no

[kind talon]

No

[gusty mirage]

they don't technically "die"

[kind talon]

Best way to deal with them is auto attacks

[balmy condor]

Well, they do but sbs doesn’t have time to apply dots to it cause they die too fast so you don’t get refunds

The instant damage overkills them 95 times over

[kind talon]

Kekw

You can mouseover them right

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[kind talon]

But just not

Target macro then right

[gusty mirage]

I blame breath of the dying for leading me down this path of ignorance

[balmy condor]

Correct

[limber lion]

You just copy-paste the SBS line there instead of the usual /cast

[limber lion]

Passassin is my hero, too bad he sucks

[kind talon]

[limber lion]

Man used to be cool when he had multiple r1's

now he's washed

not a single r1

[gusty mirage]

he was a visionary

people realized they too can be degenerates with externals

and they've passed him

[balmy condor]

He’s actually bis gear btw

256 ilvl

[limber lion]

cute

[balmy condor]

Bis gear, 10 externals

Can’t do it

I wonder what blames

Bad crit rng?

[timid cloud]

Raid team grief.

[spice spire]

Seal fate sealed his fate kings

[balmy condor]

He got a 98 on soulrender will 11 externals

[limber lion]

kinda funny how he doesn't realize that something's wrong when he's literally bis gear, gets ungodly amounts of support and still can't parse well

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

still can’t parse well

[gusty mirage]

11 externals and a 98

[spice spire]

Just Cev things

[gusty mirage]

is actually awful

[spice spire]

I mean it is

[gusty mirage]

that's like a 78 without externals bro

lmao

[spice spire]

But Cev looks at us orangeys and laughs

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

At peasants

[gusty mirage]

well

we are peasants

[balmy condor]

He still hard syncs flag and vend

I can’t

[spice spire]

True

And oh no

Washed

[gusty mirage]

does he vendetta -> rupture -> flag?

[spice spire]

Oh no

[limber lion]

Yeh he flags before Env

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

Rupture mut mut vend flag shiv vanish env

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

it's giga

don't question it

[gusty mirage]

yuge brain

[balmy condor]

Rank 7 guardian

Huge

[hollow river]

Like he never desyncs? Throughout the rest of the fight??

[balmy condor]

No

[spice spire]

Peen pt 2 electric boogaloo

[balmy condor]

Not once

[hollow river]

Ever on any fight???????

[balmy condor]

Correct

[hollow river]

What the duck

[limber lion]

He's also been using Ambush since day 1

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Except peen is okay. Passassin might be scuffed

[balmy condor]

He has 4 flag casts on a 7:30 soulrender kill

[hollow river]

Has he ever asked for help

[spice spire]

[hollow river]

Or is he just a man myth legend

[balmy condor]

Chinese have their own discord I think

[limber lion]

The asian folk have their own tc

[hollow river]

You guys only know from WCL

[balmy condor]

Idk how actives he’s in there

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[limber lion]

I mean Passassin used to be #1 in Castle Nathria

Because he literally had 3 people using PI's on him on cooldown

But his entire rotation and gameplay are awfully flawed

[gusty mirage]

he's using the new legendary, Disobedience it actually extends the cd of flag

[balmy condor]

He got externals super early on in nathria and people showed up here like “he’s rank one so what he does is good?”

[hollow river]

LMFA

[odd heath]

He was #1 on 9.0 when sin was really bad, wasn't it?

Everyone playing sub or outlaw

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[limber lion]

We used to have plenty of people asking why Passassin uses Ambush even though we keep preaching against it

[balmy condor]

And he still needed 8 PI’s to make to it rank 1

[gusty mirage]

because with enough PIs

it doesn't matter if you ambush or mutilate

the externals will make you look better

[hollow river]

Noted

[limber lion]

WCL didn't have the external column in 9.0

So he looked cooler than he was

[spice spire]

9.0.5 based WCL

[hollow river]

Didn’t they just add a patch specific column too

Like you can separate 9.0 and 9.0.5 parses

From CN

[limber lion]

A partition yes

[hollow river]

Or vice versa with Sanctum

[limber lion]

Just like they just did for 9.1.5

[gusty mirage]

they do it for most patches

[hollow river]

Oo

[gusty mirage]

nyalotha for example

[hollow river]

Didn’t know

nyalotha

[limber lion]

They add partitions generally along with major patches

But Ny'alotha was a bit special because they changed how corruption worked during a patch

And then they went ham on nerfs during a patch as well

So the partition's are a bit confusing lol

[echo cargo]

Any stabby boys kill Sylv and have an opinion on how much damage we should be doing to arrows / adds

[limber lion]

Not much.

You should just be focusing the boss generally.

If the arrows land next to you, go ahead and smack em but don't go out of your way to hit them

[gusty mirage]

I just hit arrows during veils or whatever or if they're in range

otherwise I'd be

[spice spire]

Same

[limber lion]

The second and last set of Sentinels are fine to hit, because you normally hold dps before intermission anyways

[spice spire]

But on the shitter level of sylv

[limber lion]

I mean yeah definitely

[gusty mirage]

stop putting yourself down friend

[limber lion]

You should always be looking to hit something

Whenever you can

[spice spire]

Not even orange parsing sylv, kinda

[limber lion]

Going idle is like being dead

[spice spire]

Just need to not limp across the finish line

[gusty mirage]

don't call me out like that

[spice spire]

So I can get 10k p3

I’ve only hit a 91

[limber lion]

Did you kill Sylv already? @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

no

205 pulls

[spice spire]

Soon™️

[limber lion]

sick

[spice spire]

Getting to p3 fairly regularly though, yeah?

[gusty mirage]

last wednesday we were getting to p3 consistent

last night was a shit show

so many people dying to swirlies and waves

[spice spire]

[brazen zodiac]

nerco fun

sup quake

[limber lion]

nm

[spice spire]

Sup vital

Told you, sbs literal rogue drug

[brazen zodiac]

me shoot big green thing

fun

[kind talon]

poggus

[kind talon]

which plat

[gusty mirage]

3rd plat

[kind talon]

will die soon 100%

[hollow river]

We’re starting to get though p2 more consistently

[kind talon]

3rd plat prog is pain point

when u hit plat 4 boss dies

within a few pulls

glgl

[hollow river]

We switched our solo healer for Colossus last night so that damped it down some

[kind talon]

W

[hollow river]

Expulsion hurts

I can’t immune or DR expulsion can I?

With feint or anything

[limber lion]

You can definitely feint it.

[hollow river]

Kk I will start doing that

It basically globaled me 2-3 times last night

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

[hollow river]

Disc priest was getting used to timing for barrier

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

This boss is taking way too long

[glass tulip]

my officers are talking about not extending if we dont kill KT this week

I just wanna finish the raid

[balmy condor]

Same but 200 pulls later on sylv it’s not looking much closer

[hollow river]

How is your guilds progress going

[tribal mauve]

250 here o/

[cobalt pelican]

are people not close to 252-253 ilvl in a guild finishing up kt ri ght now

what would you even reclear for at that point

[balmy condor]

We hit second platform p2 a couple times

[odd heath]

Damn...

[hollow river]

[odd heath]

Long prog on sylv then

[hollow river]

Like second burn?

Or first burn

We’re ~210 in now and have seen p3 a couple times

[balmy condor]

First burn

[tribal mauve]

whats ur best ?

[balmy condor]

We saw the second add a couple times

[hollow river]

Lol 1st plat

[tribal mauve]

damn 😦

[odd heath]

We had a very good prog on sylv, killed in 117 pulls

[hollow river]

I have a feeling it’s gonna be a 300 puller for us

[tribal mauve]

maybe we kill her tomorrow, our best is like 53%, 30s before Bloodlust 🤞

after 250 pulls

[hollow river]

Glgl

[tribal mauve]

yay pray for that dagger

[gusty mirage]

I'm feeling this is going to be us

best pull is 62.3%

[odd heath]

Gl

[gusty mirage]

got executed by a wailing arrow

[tribal mauve]

we had some problem p3 to p4, not clearing etc

that fucked us

[gusty mirage]

yeah we ran into that last night

had like 4-5 pulls into p3 where we got to 3rd plat again

I just wish there was a check point feature or some shiit

because I'm so over p1

[odd heath]

It's so easy to lose one raid night due to p1 and p2 mistakes lol

Really annoying fight

[tribal mauve]

ii know that feeling

[glass tulip]

I do not understand their reasoning. Average ilvl of our raid is 249

[plain onyx]

finally got my full domination sockets and I got Winds of Winder on Rank 2! is the rank based on shards levels ?

[cobalt pelican]

249 isn't very high at this point tbh

[spice spire]

It’s based on your lowest shard level

So if you have two fives and a one, it’ll just be rank 1.

[plain onyx]

ahh cool cool

[spice spire]

But if you have 3 4s, rank 4

[gusty adder]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[glass tulip]

more than enough to finish the raid lol

[balmy condor]

ouch

rank 2 set

[spice spire]

Oh no

[plain onyx]

just tell me what i did wronggggg 🥺

[balmy condor]

didn't level your kyr

[plain onyx]

omw to the raid, hopefully i get bunch of embers and will upgrade it asap

[spice spire]

45 to get to r4 iirc

From 2

[gusty mirage]

you recall correctly

15 + 30

[visual prairie]

math checks out

[normal mist]

I need some advice fellow rogues!

[bleak sky]

Well you gotta tell us what you need

[normal mist]

For m+, is necrolord good enough to switch from venthyr?

[vestal wren]

necrolord is good enough

but if you don't mind the grind you can now try to adjust to your groups need

[normal mist]

meh! Just hit 2k, finally got the mount, and i believe i can grind some good levels of renown during the week (at 58 necro rn)

[vestal wren]

someone in #subtlety talked about grinding renown with layer 9 speedrunning

he seemed to be quite fast with 4h from 40 to 74 or so

[normal mist]

Im not really tryharding BUT i appreciate the information. Fuu, about legendary choices: should i keep going zold or is any other good option? I want to be a bit better at m+ and i really hate flag in m+, i swear i ... hate it. xD

[arctic hare]

Good god

[spice spire]

Zold is the play for Necro m+

[normal mist]

Can you point me in the right direction for conduits/soulbinds? I'm also making some gear adjustments to increase my mastery and crit aswell, which i believe is good

[timid cloud]

Flag is fire & forget, what’s there to hate?

SBS is fire & forget x3 really.

Just helps smooth out the rotation at times too.

[hexed frost]

Sin is fire and forget spec

[spice spire]

Both marileth and heirmir are good. Marileth is probably slightly better for m+ as you get triple potency + Kevin

While heirmir is 2 potency plus gemstone because mnemonic is bad

At that point, it’s preference

[normal mist]

Okay, thanks. Zold STILL on legs right?

[timid cloud]

Yep.

[spice spire]

Higher crit is good, mastery whatever

Zold always on legs