assassination

[kind talon]

idk id just do some sims

[gloomy violet]

nvm i just resim with 37% crit and frost is better

[kind talon]

if i were you

aight

[gloomy violet]

thanks

[kind talon]

good to hear

[glass tulip]

for diff specs it changes but I max out on the last diminishing return at 47% crit

I can get up to 50% with all crit gear on

[oak sky]

top gear normally has some distribution of crit in mind and how much haste you can give up for it

[final star]

I had winds of winter critting for 83k last night

[glad siren]

109k for me

[final star]

96k, even

but I am low agi

[glad siren]

more responding to decaf than you ❤️

you'll kill it once you get more gear

[oak sky]

ive gotten like 107k before i think

mustve been on kt

[final star]

😦

[glad siren]

well you're ahead of me

i've not even gotten that far on mythic .. stuck on 3/10m

[final star]

[glad siren]

i don't have it in me to leave the guild for something "better"

[oak sky]

we have like 60 wipes on sylv or something

[final star]

painsmith hard

[north basin]

which guild is that

[final star]

mine

[north basin]

world rating?

1k?

[final star]

ye

2 days

[north basin]

low pull count. nice

[oak sky]

its not showing our sylv prog on there yet

i think the logs didnt get linked to the guild

[final star]

round about the average pull count

[oak sky]

yep

our average ilvl is probably even lower now

should be fine though

[north basin]

its some kind of program u linking?

[oak sky]

progstats.io

[north basin]

to parse pulls

oh

[oak sky]

just a cropped screenshot

[north basin]

only if logs availible ye?

[oak sky]

think so

[north basin]

coz if someone forgot to log that particular day it wont show it

i guess

coz it happened to my guild. we missed logger once or twice xD

[oak sky]

happens

[north basin]

u 2 days too?

or 3

[oak sky]

3

[north basin]

fine

[oak sky]

fate got really slow near the end

and we kept reclearing until we hit kt basically

there were a lot of issues in reclear

[north basin]

oh u made reclears

we didnt . we just save cd from first raznal killl xD

[oak sky]

yeah a lot of guilds do that for sure

[north basin]

how do u think reclear helps in the end?

or not rly

[oak sky]

i guess it adds gear if you dont care about WR as much

it started getting too slow because people were shit at reclearing pain, guardian, fate

[north basin]

well agree, but in the end everyone care about WR even on 1100 world rank

[oak sky]

no idea why guardian had so many issues

[north basin]

i think

guardian took us 15 pulls

[oak sky]

yeah it took us 10

reclear took 14

[north basin]

its low for everyone i see

xD

our main concern about reclear is raznal

xD

so we not reclearing

[oak sky]

i missed painsmith prog since i joined late, and the reclear really helped me catch up with loot

[north basin]

heh u have a point

but our average now is 249. i see no point in reclear

[oak sky]

now i'm still basically the least geared dps but i'm not that far behind

[north basin]

ur gear and sims?

[oak sky]

11k

247

[north basin]

so u are good geared xD

i 10900 and 249

[oak sky]

we have one guy that swapped feral from shadow priest

but other than that every dps has higher ilvl than me at least

i still do good damage though so its no big deal

[sterile ocean]

i know raicals aint that importent but whats the best race for rogue

[oak sky]

faction

?

[sterile ocean]

horde

[oak sky]

blood elf or orc probably

[sterile ocean]

red orc or mag'har

[oak sky]

orc

[sterile ocean]

reg*

[oak sky]

mag'har is a lot worse

[sterile ocean]

ah ok

was gonna say theres 2 types of orcs now LUL

[oak sky]

blood elf is probably only best because crit is so valuable rn

but its always good i think

orc might be better overall sometimes idk really

[sterile ocean]

yeah

[north basin]

frost set our bis, blood elf giving 1% crit. iam bloodd eelf

ez!

[sterile ocean]

the crit from blood elf would be nice

[noble ocean]

Good day everyone. How much worse is kyrian compared to necrolord and venthyr?

[oak sky]

the frost set won't apply to future tiers but we always like crit for sure

[oak sky]

single target is a lot worse than venthyr and about the same as necro, which means necro is usually better when you add more than 1 target

its not awful though

[noble ocean]

I kinda enjoy the combo point "minigame"

[sterile ocean]

@oak sky main reason i asked cause im troll atm for the haste and im basicly mixing berserking with Venthyrs haste buff and other stuff that gives haste haha

[oak sky]

Troll is probably not that far off

[north basin]

@noble ocean try sub with kyrian then

[noble ocean]

Dont like sub sadly. Would only play assas

[kind talon]

or outlaw

[north basin]

yep

[oak sky]

@noble ocean idk what content ur doing but kyrian isn't so bad that you cant play it

[sterile ocean]

im running a sim right now to see like if i switched to blood elf how it would be ^_^

[oak sky]

Even for mythic

[kind talon]

if you want to do mythic raid optimally you should go venthyr or necrolord

otherwise, you can play whatever covenant you want

even nightfae

[oak sky]

Troll probably loses some value since its a 3 min so it syncs weird

[sterile ocean]

right right

[north basin]

we tend to optimize everything to the minxmax edition here mostly. so kyrian with sin wont stack from that point of view xD

but if u regular joe. u can pick everything xD

[oak sky]

I think troll isnt too far off though

Some races are really dogshit

But even then its like 100 dps

[sterile ocean]

yeah

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rpTNe7fKwPJUsTsSRr5gvh

[noble ocean]

Probably ill just alt that rogue soo im less thena regular joe. Ty for the input tho

[sterile ocean]

@oak sky hows this

[oak sky]

Sorry i went to take a shower

@sterile ocean

So what am i looking at in the sim

I think theres a way you can compare races with some input at the bottom with an advanced sim

Idk the copy paate thougj

Copy paste though*

Realistically staying troll is for sure fine if you you like it regardless of what content ur doing, but blood elf is most likely some more damage, especially with frost set

[whole pilot]

You can edit string you paste

Race is near the top

Just change it from troll to orc or w/e it is you wish to compare

[azure bronze]

Advanced sim> Then put in your normal simc data and below that you paste this

race="orc"

copy="Undead"

race="undead"

copy="Troll"

race="troll"

copy="Blood Elf"

race="blood_elf"

copy="Goblin"

race="goblin"

copy="Nightborne"

race="nightborne"

copy="Pandaren"

race="pandaren"

copy="Zandalari Troll"

race="zandalari_troll"

then you can sim all the races vs eachother

[north basin]

btw what about mfd in m+ guys? viable or vigor more versatile?

[frosty bridge]

Vigor imo, Sin doesn't benefit as much from Finisher - MfD - finisher since you press CT to reapply the DoT iirc

not for the initial damage in AoE

might change with target caps, idk

doubt it tho

[north basin]

k

and also 262 obe or 262 zoldyk on tyranical week

?

[strange python]

i run zoldyck all the time

[north basin]

did 9.3k overall 20 theatre with zoldyk

duno if obe would perform better

[subtle tundra]

zoldyck = more aoe/overall dps
obe = more st, more burst

when i say more overall dps, its not by much

[final star]

You don't play for overall anyway as rogue

It's a hard knock life

[subtle tundra]

at the end of the day, its your decision to make

i always play obe, might play zoldyck in some fort dungeons when i get it 262

[pure moth]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bc7fPVtzyB19jqrN#fight=25&type=damage-done&source=23 Anyone notice anything here?

[north basin]

btw guys . while approaching 6-8 mob pack and i have flag and vend. i dont press vend?XD

coz anyway i will swap alot

and wont pump into this particular mob

in m+ ofc

[subtle tundra]

depends if youll need vendetta for anything in the next minute, if there's a high health target in the pack, a high prio target that can wipe etc

[eager bridge]

For m+ only (low keys like not higher than 16) as a venthyr what leg do you recommend, i feel like no one is doing the same and i'm kinda lost, i thought i'd go venthyr leg first but then i saw a lot of people with zoldick, do they have different purpose ? (it's a reroll i'd like to just have one legendary and im not raiding at all)

[north basin]

i think for 14-16 doesnt matter which leg )

[eager bridge]

what's the main purpose of each

[gusty mirage]

A lot of people craft obedience first because you can flex it for raid and m+ for both assassination and subtlety

If you plan on just doing keys as assassination just full send a Zoldyk’s

[subtle tundra]

i also consider obedience way more fun than zoldyk 🙂

[gusty mirage]

You mean you don’t enjoy completely passive legendaries that don’t change a thing about our gameplay?

[subtle tundra]

hey, some people dont take dps upgrades because they require an extra button and to think for a second

who knows nowadays

[gusty mirage]

True

I just wish obedience went live with the 1% vers buff

[subtle tundra]

some part of me would also want that so i can flex everything with 1 leggo but then it'd be pretty boring to have a single option for everything

[lavish lichen]

Leggo balance for assa is pretty good rn imo

[subtle tundra]

except there's a single fun leggo, thats restricted to venthyr

dashing is a tiny bit of gameplay change but not enough

[lavish lichen]

Sure yea they aren’t the most engaging and that may be why they are able to be balanced pretty closely

[buoyant fossil]

Is x2 Edge of Night as good for sin as it is for sub? Or should I still be looking for a different MH weapon.

Got lucky with a heroic edge drop last night and now my guild is telling me I should go sub xd

[lavish lichen]

Its better for sub than sin

Its chance based off CPs

[subtle tundra]

just cause you got an item thats better for sub than assa it doesnt mean you have to swap

[lavish lichen]

And sub generates A FUCK TON more CPs

[alpine latch]

Mostly people sim higher with a 252 MH and a EoN OH

246 EoN, specifically.

Obviously if you're rocking a Mythic EoN, that's your best

[lavish lichen]

Only swap if YOU want to swap, sub is a bit harder imo so if you don’t enjoy it you’d prob be better off sticking to assa

[subtle tundra]

sub aint hard, thats gaslighting

[lavish lichen]

Harder != hard

[buoyant fossil]

Problem is that I just r5'd my frost and sub uses blood. Maybe if ember refunds were a thing...

[lavish lichen]

Yea then just stick with assa

You can prob do it for 9.1.5 maybe you’ll have enough embers then

[buoyant fossil]

Then I could also switch to Venth. I've been holding off on all alts until covenant switching is live

[gusty mirage]

You could run outlaw w/ the heroic edge in your OH. It’s really good for outlaw too

[buoyant fossil]

I was thinking in trying that in Raid until next patch. I have a normal Vein ripper I can pair it to but mdf/gs is a lot more to keep track of after running primarily sin rotation for a couple months 💫

[fading wigeon]

anyone available to look at my logs?

[alpine latch]

Link 'em

[fading wigeon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/X8QVMkT3KrBxDymP/ these are our wipes from dorm last night, need to know what I can do better

[harsh lantern]

You’re not using ct?

think ct is some good dps on that fight

I was still top dps on boss using it for my kill

[slow marsh]

Is like the same thing as sin. Ghostly replaces shiv and you just have MfD up more compared to sin

[fading wigeon]

ohh ok thats a good tip. I will swap to it

[harsh lantern]

was just comparing to mine seems like you just don’t get a ton of the pb value

[fading wigeon]

yeah thats fair

[harsh lantern]

70k or so diff

But idk know if it’s something you’re doing to not kill it

Could be plenty of things

[acoustic yew]

hey, nerzul MYTH: How do you handle to not get kicked out of ring, when assigned to go to outer side for dispell?

[harsh lantern]

press step as soon as md goes off

Use wa timer

[whole pilot]

Step or cloak

[ebon notch]

ask them to give you more space on the platform

[whole pilot]

Step won’t work if you are blown ‘off’ tho

[ebon notch]

ask the group to move a little bit more to the center

target the boss

[whole pilot]

Pathing bug iirc

[ebon notch]

and you hvae time to react

[harsh lantern]

u gotta press insta

if ur on edge

[ebon notch]

as long as you are not off the platform when it goes off then ur fine

[ebon notch]

that doesnt change anything, if the server doesnt catch up you will still die

[acoustic yew]

thx

[ebon notch]

ive checked replays where ive pressed it insta on my screen

and still died

[harsh lantern]

Ah

Never had that problem tbh

[ebon notch]

like i can see myself pressing the button and it refused to let the cast got hrough

yeah i had to get my raid leader to put me inner if possible, otherwise do what i said above

[harsh lantern]

But I also havent done outer a lot either

But when I have got it just wait for last second and press step

But I think we do give room like you say

[acoustic yew]

thx guys, i will try that. when i cloak, doesnt make that the bomb to detonate instant

[harsh lantern]

never really on the “edge”

you just press cloak on the md timing I’d imagine

But I’ve never cloaked it

[hollow river]

Same

If the inner dispel just goes too close to edge you can get fucked pretty easily

I asked our raid for everyone to stand a few yards in, for outer dispels. Like on our actual markers.

[static rock]

Is assassination a good pi target?

[hollow river]

It’s decent, best rogue spec for pi. But not the best at all.

There’s a pi chart in #wow-general pins

[static rock]

Alright thanks!

[ebon notch]

just lie and say its bis

you double dip on PI

cause it makes ur bleeds do more dam

and your frost set stacks up even harder

[static rock]

The healer priest in my guild has been pi’ing me

[harsh lantern]

lucky

you don’t got boomkins?

[static rock]

We had two priests

[harsh lantern]

ah

[static rock]

So a boomkin got one and I got the other

I got it 3 times on remnant

[harsh lantern]

The dream

[static rock]

Over a frost dk

[harsh lantern]

[static rock]

I didn’t think sin was middle of the pack with it though

[whole pilot]

Frost dk

[static rock]

And we have an aff lock not getting it haha

[strange python]

Do we know how far behind rank 5 blood is versus rank 5 frost (necro + dashing)

[dense hamlet]

you can just sim it

[strange python]

yeah - I will have to do that. I can upgrade one of them to 5 next week...and not sure what i'm really gonna play the most.

I'm also switching back to necro, so i'm thinking i'm gonna play assassination

I think I see where I went wrong when simming it - I probably have to select "Replace Existing Gems/Enchants"

[gusty mirage]

yeah otherwise it gets weird

even if you remove the shards

and sim it

[strange python]

yeah - i tried this earlier but yeah was having issues.

[gusty mirage]

it won't work unless you tick that box

[strange python]

gotcha

[dense hamlet]

[strange python]

So it looks like all else being equal, according to the sim, frost bonus r5 is +277 versus blood bonus r5 for me. To me, that's significant enough to just go Frost.

[alpine latch]

Frost is BiS, yeah

[strange python]

I've been playing sub - but it's like - open, pop Flag, get Fragment, have to run out - and it just feels so punishing to mess up like that.

The obvious answer is wait to flag until fragments went out but stuff like that keeps happening to me...and then I ldon't get stacks properly, and then cooldown reduction gets messed up too. It's like double penalty.

[lavish lichen]

Kyrian sub is less punishing in that regard. Try that out in 9.1.5

[strange python]

yeah that's a good idea. I've already got necro up pretty high so I'll be able to switch back this Tuesday.

[lavish lichen]

Its also a lot more fun than flag imo

[strange python]

it sounds fun - not gonna lie

[lavish lichen]

Yea you are basically swimming in dance charges

[slow marsh]

cloak whne first frags come out so you dont have to worry about it

[glass tulip]

Cheese mechanics and make the rest of your raid deal with it. Classic rogue strat

[slow marsh]

its not really cheesing

but ye why have the cd if you're not gonna use it imo

we already have no raid util, least we can do is make raid worry about one less mechanic

[glass tulip]

That's what I do too. That's how I got a 99 on mythic nine, cloaked 3 frags so I had nearly 100% boss uptime

All other mechanics can be feinted for the most part and feint + frost is so strong

[quaint carbon]

do you pre cloack?

[timid cloud]

You also can evasion the suck in that they do on The Nine for more uptime.

[slow marsh]

you can? that's nice to know. thought i'd never see the day where evasion did anything useful in raid

[timid cloud]

Yep yep. I do it on soggy bottoms the mini boss in M+ too for his big swirlie attack. Mr.Spaghetti hands.

[gusty mirage]

someone doesn't read the book of shadows and it shows

tbf we've been kinda slacking on the raid stuff

and I apologize for that

[slow marsh]

i have been reading it =[

[fading wigeon]

Book of shadows?

[gusty mirage]

!def

what's the command again

!defensives

let me just get the link lmao

[fading wigeon]

Lol

[quaint carbon]

was it updated for raid ?

[gusty mirage]

@quaint carbon yeah we got everything up to and including painsmith done

just gotta stop being lazy and finish guardian and fate and then start KT and sylv

[quaint carbon]

ahh shit cool, im just starting mythic pugs i dont wanna try out shit live

[gusty mirage]

I swear there was a tinyurl link for this, but this is all I got rn:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQQUy8zeFKz-vhwoExtDchUlXoxiiHvw0UcqLGJGexgbZvmfy4D5ln_hzIE9_OfLXkJKD6XA4YYPAoP/pubhtml

[hollow river]

This is correct. Bot must be malfunctioning

[gusty mirage]

moroes is broken again?

[vestal wren]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[gusty mirage]

oh he just hates me

@prisma monolith I see how it is

[hollow river]

[vestal wren]

he was down for like 17 secs while doing a rebuild ^^

[hollow river]

(fuu told him to ignore you)

[gusty mirage]

its okay I probably deserved it

[vestal wren]

oh ye, thats it

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

What boss are you on @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

KT

[hollow river]

Whispyr, you and I

All on KT

[gusty mirage]

switched to sub for the last bit of our fatescribe prog so I could get back to the adds faster and not get destroyed by beams

messed up my opener

got all 3 runes

parsed a FAT 3

[hollow river]

Ouch

I dced 6 times in our first hour Tuesday

[gusty mirage]

yeah idc tbh, I'm glad I did the 3 runes because it's the only time they've been done clean

lol

[hollow river]

I had to sit myself

And they killed it without me ):

We hit KT final phase last night

We’re lusting p3 main phase to make sure we hit the dps check

[slow marsh]

ahh yes the classic method of trying to make self feel better about grey parsing fatescribe.....timeless

[gusty mirage]

shut up

[slow marsh]

hey at least you're not still on pain tho

[gusty mirage]

I'M SORRY I'M NOT GOOD

[slow marsh]

so

[gusty mirage]

OK?

[nimble tartan]

just press shuriken storm bro

[slow marsh]

i have no room to talk really

[gusty mirage]

inflated parses because I'm OTPing sin

[slow marsh]

tbh

parsing on outlaw is so much easier

[nimble tartan]

i bet sin makes a comeback tier 3 bro

ill be back here by then

[slow marsh]

last night i had like 200 ms cuz internet was crapping out on me randomly and still purple parsed everyting on heroic and got a few oranges

outlaw players smh

[slow marsh]

sin is perfectly fine right now tbh

people mostly swap to sub because it can actually aoe without having to change talents and sac ST damage

and sub is 1 min cds vs 2 min cds and idk if anyone's noticed but the 1min specs are dominating this tier

[hollow river]

I mean almost every fight sub has potential to do more dam

Sin is still great for sure

[gusty mirage]

I'm just super rusty on sub

[nimble tartan]

forsure it just got good a lil too late for where i was invested at in prog

[gusty mirage]

and don't trust myself

plus I'm forced to run r4 unholy as sub

which is kinda cringe

[slow marsh]

yeah

[gusty mirage]

so I just otp sin

[hollow river]

Why are u forced?

R4 uh sims higher than r5 frost for ur sub?

[gusty mirage]

cuz progging and relearning a spec is kinda meh

[nimble tartan]

its not fun being weak!!

[gusty mirage]

I'd rather just go in comfortable not having to think about my rotation and shit

ya know?

[hollow river]

True

[gusty mirage]

that way I can focus on not messing up mechanics

[nimble tartan]

we love mechanic gods

[fallen arch]

You calling sin weak?

[nimble tartan]

no i love sin!

[hollow river]

Anyone doing a heroic full clear a mans can get in on this weekend?

[strange python]

Do you guys track Winds of Winter - like so you know when the proc will occur and do its dmg?

[slow marsh]

no

[hollow river]

Some people do

[slow marsh]

yeah i mean i've thought about it but don't really see a reason to

not like you're gonna delay stuff for it

[balmy condor]

I don’t really see a point other than “oooooooh shiny number ”

[slow marsh]

the only thing that would remotely make sense would be to sync vanish with it to guarantee a crit proc

[balmy condor]

It’s like tracking your sim dps on a weakaura to remind you how big a big number is

[strange python]

I was thinking if you were 2 sec away from a "proc" - and you could cloak a mechanic and have it go off, etc.

[balmy condor]

It goes off anyway though

[hollow river]

I think I was told someone’s logic behind it was so they can hard target boss a few seconds before it procs to try and make sure their last crit was on boss

[slow marsh]

i mean if mechanic is coming up and you have cloak why not just cloak anywyas

[hollow river]

But kinda pointless

[slow marsh]

wasting the cd

[hollow river]

Why wouldn’t it go off because a mechanic?

[strange python]

If you were out of the range of the boss?

I dunno the range on it

[hollow river]

It’s a ranged proc

[slow marsh]

range is like 100 yds or soemthing

75-100 in that area

its far enough to shoot off at painsmith during intermission from back row

[glass tulip]

does anyone use a weakaura to show when winds of winter is proccing?

I feel like that would be helpful to see or to try to "target" it if there are multiple targets

[hollow river]

Read up

It’s not really gonna be impactful to get a WA

[slow marsh]

waste of addon ms

imo

has absolutely no affect on any decision making in a fight

[glass tulip]

Well my reasoning was to try and target it and not accidentally throw out fan of knives 1 second before it goes off

[hollow river]

I’d still fan

[glass tulip]

or to think about soaking an extra mechanic if the shield is about to come up

[slow marsh]

i mean yeah i guess but what good does that do anyways

everything still has to die

so it doesn't matter what it hits really

[lavish lichen]

Can be useful in some fights

Like nerzhul

With 99% dr targets

[slow marsh]

well why would you be hitting the shielded orb anyways

[lavish lichen]

You dot

[slow marsh]

you garrote rupture then go back to boss

[glass tulip]

sometimes I pre bleed it

[lavish lichen]

The irb

Exactly

[hollow river]

If garrote or rupt are your last crit winds will proc on orb

[slow marsh]

and if you're that concerned about winds hitting the orb then just dont dot the orb

[lavish lichen]

If its about to proc then you probably don’t dot since the proc goes on your last crit

[glass tulip]

exactly, so if I pre-bleed a 99% DR orb then I may be losing 40k damage

unless I know to wait an extra 2 seconds to do so

[lavish lichen]

That’s about the only situation I can thibk of where it’s useful

[slow marsh]

i mean i guess

[lavish lichen]

So I don’t bother with it

[glass tulip]

I have a few in mind but that's why I asked if anyone had one already

[slow marsh]

still seems like a waste imo

[glass tulip]

otherwise i'll whip up a shitty one

[hollow river]

Look on wago

[slow marsh]

I would say a WA for tracking UH buff is more useful than winds

[hollow river]

If u really want one

[slow marsh]

but i'm sure they're out there

[glass tulip]

https://wago.io/AxF6CvQ79

[gusty mirage]

you're just mad cuz you don't have r5 frost

[slow marsh]

TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[glass tulip]

not having rank 5 frost this far into the patch? riiiiiiiip

[balmy condor]

Im a blood Gamer

[glass tulip]

so you must have rank 5 unholy as well, yeah?

[hollow river]

I have r5 frost and r4.5 blood

[slow marsh]

Whisp said he wanted to help out his healing squad

[glass tulip]

I have 5 frost 5 unholy and 3.5 blood

Still got like 3-4 weeks to max though

[slow marsh]

I think I have r5 uh this week or maybe next week idk I stopped paying attention to ember farm after I got frost r5

[balmy condor]

I’m like 5 blood 4 unholy 4 frost

Or close to that

[visual prairie]

555frost,544blood,533unholy

[north basin]

i saw recent logs with people sending 7-8 people down on KT. how they manage to kill everything upstairs?XD

like 6min kilss

[subtle tundra]

good cd assignment

if you have boomies killing KT in normal boss phase you dont need other cds

[drifting cloud]

I doubt its 8 people from the start? maybe they just blow it up really fast and 3 people go down to finish remnant before stuff respawns

[oak sky]

My raid i think we had like 5 or 6 go downstairs assigned to cd remnant

No boomies

[fierce wind]

anybody able to take a look at my mythic guardian kill log? i had 93% envenom uptime, 4 flags on CD with the first and last lined up with the first and last vendetta. for a 5 minute fight, seemed the most optimal for CD usage, but i still underperformed to how I expected to. my winds of winter are rank 5 and performed really poorly as far as damage is concerned. are there other areas of improvement or did I simply get really unlucky with crits? also no windfury sadge

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vmVg14Mq8HNZhrXJ#fight=22&type=damage-done&source=11

[oak sky]

What do you sim

About?

[fierce wind]

~10.3

[half quarry]

hey boys just switched back to venthyr and i never manage to get 30 stacks of flag, is that normal?? 23-28 max

[oak sky]

Depends on talents

[half quarry]

using eb, vigor

[kind talon]

it turns out that 21% crit on winds is not good

lmao

ur actually so unlucky

[oak sky]

Ep/vigor 23-28 is normal

[fierce wind]

ok yeah i thought so... i was confused because i thought i played the fight well too

[royal lantern]

curse of winds: most high assa logs rn is more or less just "did i get 70%+ winds crits"

[fierce wind]

rip

[oak sky]

With ep/ mfd it should be 28-30 and sometimes 25

With bs/ds probsbly 26-30 but sometimes less

Ep mfd is generally better than vigor on all fights besides pure single target currently if it sims higher @half quarry

The optimizations are in the pins if ur interested in trying jt

It

[half quarry]

kk il check em out

i use eb/vigor cuz its more stable playstyle for me atleast but il check other builds to

[oak sky]

Its worth a try :)

[placid dawn]

is the mfd thing only for venthyr?

[spice spire]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

[gloomy knoll]

gang gang

[hollow river]

[stark smelt]

is nadija still the goto soulbind in raid while running frost/dashing?

[hollow river]

Sim it

Theotar and Nadjia have been really close for some people lately.

[stark smelt]

oof, always sim it, cant ever give a direct answer...

[hollow river]

Because no one can tell you what’s better for you

[stark smelt]

if I wanted to just sim it I wouldn't have asked in here... but let me go sim it and ignore this discord for another couple of weeks

[hollow river]

...

[stark smelt]

i didnt ask specifically for me, I asked if it was the go to

I didn't say is nadija or theotar going to be a bigger dps increase for me specifically wearing my dashing and frost sets

[hollow river]

And I answered that Theotar and Nadjia have been very close for people lately..

[stark smelt]

its legit impossible to get direct answers from this discord 99% of the time

somewhat useless to exist except to show off your sim dps

[harsh juniper]

damn

[hollow river]

The only thing we can tell you 100% fact is gameplay, defensives, mechanics

[stark smelt]

so heres the thing, if you go read all the guides it directs you to use one or the other but tells you to sim it for yourself

[hollow river]

If you need help with logs, fights etc.

Anything that is about your player power is something that should be simmed.

It’s quite simple.

[stark smelt]

when I ask the question I'm asking as if you were going to write a guide not to tell me what I need to use specifically because now I'm going to run 50 sims with different gear/stats soulbinds/conduits cause you are incapable of giving a direct answer

[hollow river]

???????????

[harsh juniper]

is this happening?

[hollow river]

Idk what the deal is here

Not that hard to run a sim

[stark smelt]

not that hard to type a direct answer instead of sim it

[hollow river]

Why would I give a direct answer that might be false?

[sacred zodiac]

but there isnt a direct answer to your question that is 100% correct

[lean fossil]

go nf and stop worrying about it

[hollow river]

If you need help with how to do more damage in a fight, with your abilities, how to survive in a fight, anything of that nature. I will give you a direct answer.

[stark smelt]

but that question there is an answer that is 100% correct, I didn't ask for someone to sim my character and tell me which to use

[soft shale]

this week nadja is better for most people

[stark smelt]

I asked because every single guide hasn't been updated for months

[soft shale]

because of extra empower

[stark smelt]

thank you

thats the answer I was lookign for

[soft shale]

next week theo tea with crit should be almost the same or better

[stark smelt]

how fucking hard is that

[soft shale]

i mean its not like what he said is wrong

[hollow river]

Pretty hard considering CF’s don’t like it when people answer questions with facts that have a chance of being incorrect

[stark smelt]

its not, but its not that hard to stop saying sim it to every single fucking question in this discord

its like everyone has a cop out to not answer anything or help anyone because the superior answer is sim it always

[harsh lantern]

lmao

[hollow river]

Open a sim and take a chill pill brother

[harsh lantern]

sim that shit dog

[hollow river]

I’d gladly help you

With anything I have the ability to

[harsh juniper]

maybe a Warrior discord troll?

[stark smelt]

your help would be useless, I can run sims, I wanted a generic answer not specific

[harsh lantern]

Xd

[hollow river]

Has to be trolling

[lean fossil]

sim yourself is a generic answer lol

[stark smelt]

simming myself wouldnt answer my question

nice try tho

[lean fossil]

it did answer your question tho, just not with the two choices you gave

so nice try bud

[stark smelt]

no you changed my question to make it specific to me

[lean fossil]

sim yourself is the best answer for almost all questions in this discord tho

[stark smelt]

imagine if i didnt even have a rogue and I was asking the question, what would I sim?

[lean fossil]

id tell you to play what ever feels best

[stark smelt]

but if I was asking what the go to soulbind was, you could give an answer

[sacred zodiac]

simming both soulbinds would have given you the answer? reroll back to whatever you rerolled from...

[stark smelt]

and your answer would be as useless as sim it

[lean fossil]

you only deem it useless due to the fact you dont want to accept it

[subtle tundra]

i mean, its really like whatever
both soulbinds can get fucked
if nadja procs at wrong times you lose the whole procs but on the other side it can proc faster and more often if there are adds
theotar can proc useless umbrelas/give you agility which is the worst one and you cant reroll for an hour

[echo cargo]

Agility worst? No cap?

[hollow river]

[lean fossil]

theortar can proc the umbrelas and next thing you know youre moving lol

[subtle tundra]

you can play either and have same results

you can also roll your tea on theotar every hour and see if you get crit

and play nadja all the other time

[lean fossil]

just go nf and get dem burrs

then you dont have to worry about the venth stuff 😄

[ebon notch]

@stark smelt you good or

[quasi venture]

[arctic walrus]

Skip these steps by just looking at logs, maybe seeing 90+% of venthyr assa rogues being nadjia is a slight indication of what is more routinely found. It would also help us both out by eliminating the need for you to swing by here if you just want to be dense with others who are actually giving you the right answer, and it’s your frame of reference that’s flawed

[harsh juniper]

here it comes

[lean fossil]

hes about to say thats a useless answer and how dare you assume they know what logs are!

[stark smelt]

Ironically I was just asking for a quick answer to a random thought while I was playing an alt... I didn't want to stop everything I was doing to sim my character or comb through logs... if I was asking specifics I would understand the sim it answer... but I asked for a general go to for raiding...

[soft shale]

i gotchu fam dont worry

[subtle tundra]

"going through logs" is literally 4 clicks

[stark smelt]

is it tho?

[subtle tundra]

it really is

[stark smelt]

you can see all 10 bosses

with 4 clicks?

[echo cargo]

Yes

[subtle tundra]

go on the st boss

[lean fossil]

yeah lol go to rankings for sod

[echo cargo]

You go to rankings

Jk this chad beat me

[stark smelt]

yeah

[arctic walrus]

If it’s an alt, then you either don’t give a shit about its damage, then it wouldn’t matter what you pick. Or, you actually want to pick a good one, which although already stated, you can also just sim your self, but it’s nadjia

[lean fossil]

😄

[echo cargo]

Technically you can also bookmark it and make it one click

[subtle tundra]

oh yea im sorry the difference between 4 and 14 clicks is so huge it might wear your mouse out

[stark smelt]

from the warcraft logs homepage its 2 clicks to get to rankings

then how many to filter to assassination rogues specifically?

[subtle tundra]

1

[lean fossil]

2 more

one for the drop down

then one for picking sin rogue

[echo cargo]

You can also filter statistics by covenant breakdown

[subtle tundra]

ah the drop down

[lean fossil]

bruh you just want me to play the game for you?

[arctic walrus]

And how much more time of your day was wasted by wasting everyone else’s time in here too

[stark smelt]

ok then how many to venthyr

[subtle tundra]

sorry, i misplayed the clicks

0

you can just look.

[lean fossil]

you got a mouse?

hit that scroll wheel

[subtle tundra]

man this guy is arguing nr of clicks

[echo cargo]

You could also search the sin channel for cov or covenant

[lean fossil]

zero clicks

[ebon notch]

the fact that you are arguing about the number of clicks to check logs shows that you arent here to actually learn anything and would rather argue cause you are too mechanically poor to play the spec properly

and lack the patience to learn

so maybe go and swap to hunter?

[echo cargo]

Lmfao Jesus

[sacred zodiac]

just go back to playing a shitty fotm monk

[ebon notch]

idk just seems like you really dont know what to do with your time and would rather waste it

do us a favour and use 2 clicks to leave the discord

[nimble tartan]

i just ran a sim and it said it would take me like 5 clicks with a variance of 2 clicks to figure out how to uninstall discord

[ebon notch]

yes but 5 is more than 2 and i didnt want to stress him

[ancient peak]

is there some kind of crit threshold you need to reach for dashing to be bis? I've got over 1k crit and rank 5 frost, but flag + unholy set is still simming higher for me.

[ebon notch]

link sim

[oak sky]

did you check replace existing gems?

[ancient peak]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jY7C2Xy8b6erHy5v17B5AQ

[ancient peak]

i believe so

[oak sky]

did you choose them in the top gear?

its your equipped huh

[stark smelt]

one of your conduits is count the odds

[oak sky]

i dont see that

he has lashing wps

[ancient peak]

ahhhh i think u caught it

[stark smelt]

look in equipped

its the second one

[ancient peak]

I forgot to swap it out from outlaw

[oak sky]

huh

[ancient peak]

lemme try again

[oak sky]

interesting

make sure all the frost gems are checked in the shards section too

just double checck

check

[ancient peak]

running it again rn

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xwGPeXwH6pGNXuQxdZReWJ

that one seems to make sense

maybe I forgot to select a frost shard before idk

[oak sky]

yeah that looks good

it couldve been any number of things

[viscid spear]

scrolls back up
What did I miss?

[subtle tundra]

fucking hate playing 25s with 2 full aoe classes

holy shit

i do 10k st they do 6-7k

bosses take 4+ mins

tried like 6 25s this week, timed only 1

[soft shale]

yea if you see lock+monk its a nono

[subtle tundra]

monk brings all the burst aoe you need this week

[stray mural]

I’m stuck in I don’t have all 20’s timed so nobody takes me seriously hell

Seeing that somebody in #assa is doing 25’s renews my hope

[subtle tundra]

quick tip

theotar > nadja 🙂

[stray mural]

moment

But I’ll consider that next patch

[subtle tundra]

i dont see a reason to play necro

may be better in some dungeons for overall, but obedience makes venthyr really good

[stray mural]

I’ve thought the same thing but the gang assured me it was correct for keys

[subtle tundra]

they're close enough to not matter in the end

[stray mural]

My brain isn’t galactic sized enough to truly squeeze the whole value out of either

[subtle tundra]

ill play both in 9.1.5

i'd probably go venthyr tyra, necro fort

[stray mural]

My thoughts exactly

Double down on whatever the affixes call for

[brazen zodiac]

@ebon notch u make my day friend

[ebon notch]

👍

[echo geyser]

just tried simming sin setups

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gmhHBvqpgBLVc9QdD6T5Fh

so dashing obedience are equal

but new thing was mfd, like 1% gain over normal vigor

and i guess with reset boss its even better

[oak sky]

true

[echo geyser]

do u just not send it with snd on pull?

[oak sky]

nah

wait

ur venthyr?

[echo geyser]

venthyr yeah

[oak sky]

ok

so its venthyr only that mfd is better

and you mfd during flag

[echo geyser]

only?

[oak sky]

and you hold it for flag up to 15 seconds

[echo geyser]

hm i see

[oak sky]

you get a couple mfds outside flag

but you need to have at least one and preferably a few resets during it

[kind talon]

u can

snd

at like

[brazen zodiac]

i tried mfd on painsmith def trolled with it

[kind talon]

22 seconds on timer

[oak sky]

you would need to mfd 22 seconds on timer

[kind talon]

🌶️

[oak sky]

but its barely a gain since snd maintains itself

[kind talon]

mfd at 22 seconds

and then you snd prepull

[oak sky]

you lose 1 global

so its like

[kind talon]

you gain * 1 global

[oak sky]

whatever

[kind talon]

its pretty good

😈

[echo geyser]

i forgot how u do venthyr opener u go

[oak sky]

mut snd mut gar flag rupture vendetta shiv vanish mut envenom mfd envenom

[kind talon]

mut snd mut garrote flag vendetta rupture shiv mut vanish envenom mfd envenom

fuck

[oak sky]

[echo geyser]

oh vendetta after flag

thought before

i guess initial is nothing

[oak sky]

its a small thing

idk why its better

but its better

[echo geyser]

prob cause flag is 24sec total

and vendetta 20

[oak sky]

could be

[kind talon]

you wanna fit flag buff into vendetta

are you sure you vendetta after the rupture

[oak sky]

or it might just be so more of your finishers are envenom during vendetta

[kind talon]

ye

[oak sky]

im not that guy

i know what to do

i dont know why things are optimized so much

[echo geyser]

i guess pure st mfd vs vigor is a bit w/e

but on reset fights it could be big

[balmy condor]

yes

[kind talon]

ok ty

[kind talon]

its better for venthyr

[brazen zodiac]

hi whisp

[oak sky]

pure st bs/ds is better than ep/mfd

[kind talon]

pretty sick

[balmy condor]

hello

[echo geyser]

i cannot stand deeper

[kind talon]

hi whisopur

[echo geyser]

i guess mfd will be the same tbh

[brazen zodiac]

i hope ur day is going well

[echo geyser]

it will

[kind talon]

did u actually just reply to urself ram

[oak sky]

its only really guardian and maybe remnant where we play bs/ds

[kind talon]

LMAO

[oak sky]

everything else you just go ep/mfd

[kind talon]

definitely not remnant

[oak sky]

i said maybe

did i not

[kind talon]

[echo geyser]

hm i guess i should play sin if i get PI + kindred affinity

[kind talon]

[oak sky]

ramfam ur an actual buff whore

[echo geyser]

theres an explaination

[brazen zodiac]

an actual buff whore

[echo geyser]

[brazen zodiac]

that is a good one i gotta admit

[echo geyser]

basically

[balmy condor]

[kind talon]

theres an explanation

[brazen zodiac]

not a whore, not a buff whore, but an actual actual buff whore

[kind talon]

[echo geyser]

im gearing monk so it comes to main raid, my rogue is now in alt raid carrying 235 geared ppl

[kind talon]

basically ramfam is very cute

[echo geyser]

so i get PI + KA

[kind talon]

and so he gets PI + KA

[oak sky]

god

what i wouldnt give for KA

[echo geyser]

i saw the list

[kind talon]

i wouldnt give

money

[echo geyser]

sin on top

as venthyr

[oak sky]

yeah

[echo geyser]

basically

[oak sky]

crit buff

right?

[echo geyser]

yeah

i have like

[kind talon]

ye

[echo geyser]

52% base crit

ah wait that was outlaw

id have l ike 50 on sin

[oak sky]

your top gear has 50

?

[echo geyser]

no with KA

thats 8% crit base

and 16% on active

[oak sky]

oh

[echo geyser]

wait im on vers stuff rn

sorry

sec

so 52% with KA i guess

wonder if that sways my enchants and whatnot to other stats tbh

[oak sky]

who knows

[echo geyser]

only 1 way to find out

[oak sky]

its only a window anyway right

[echo geyser]

no its 8% perma

[oak sky]

oh right

[echo geyser]

and 16% on active

[oak sky]

right

simmable

might need the kt neck

[echo geyser]

idk if the perma buff is simmable tho

[brazen zodiac]

how ur top gear got 50 crit

[oak sky]

the kt neck can be better than remnant for some profiles anyway

[echo geyser]

yeah i only have 246 one

[oak sky]

bro

[brazen zodiac]

i practically have all crit haste 252 gear and im at 42 i wanna cry

[oak sky]

my 246 kt neck sims higher than remnant neck for me rn

[brazen zodiac]

same

[echo geyser]

[brazen zodiac]

feelsbad

[oak sky]

it literally doesn't feel bad

[echo geyser]

i got bunch of haste already

[brazen zodiac]

It does for me i want crit for years

[echo geyser]

think i simmed neck

[oak sky]

doing less damage feels bad

[balmy condor]

2% haste poggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

[brazen zodiac]

how df

whisp what's ur crit at

[balmy condor]

idk

[brazen zodiac]

bouta run theo just for crit buff

[echo geyser]

boutta try adding external_buffs.kindred_affinity=5/65/125/185/245/305/365

to top gear

[oak sky]

my god

[sick aspen]

where do you even find a kyrian druid though 😛

[echo geyser]

i do an alt raid

and im like 253 compared to other chars 235 245s

so i get all externals

also what does NF pally do?

one guildie swapped

[oak sky]

Blessing of Spring - Blesses an ally with 10% increased healing done and 20% healing received.
Blessing of Summer - Blesses an ally causing their attacks to have an additional chance to deal holy damage.
Blessing of Autumn - Blesses an ally causing their cooldowns to recover 30% faster for the duration of the buff.
Blessing of Winter - Blesses an ally causing their attacks to deal additional damage and apply a movement and attack speed stacking debuff.

they probably give you summer autumn winter

idk really

[echo geyser]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p57VwEqf1ccwTNAd65FTJN

[oak sky]

i know ive heard about winter

[echo geyser]

[kind talon]

u little fucknugget

[oak sky]

the fuck

[kind talon]

[oak sky]

this used to be my pfp

Pogey

oh wait

no it didnt

it was similar though

[echo geyser]

my final form

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b9xDQhkomWYX9Us5dUyYuQ

[cosmic sandal]

Wtb sylv dag

[kind talon]

[brazen zodiac]

find a kyrian hunter and get that fat 10% crit buff every 10 seconds

[echo geyser]

true

never seen anyone play with that

[oak sky]

kyrian hunter is really good

[kind talon]

kyrian hunter leggo is really good

but

hunters say

[echo geyser]

i heard about someone RL being hunter kyrian so he just played it for the group cause he knew he gonna fuck his dmg anyways

[kind talon]

"its bad!"

because they are bad

[oak sky]

isnt night fae like better in raid but kyrian is better in m+

[echo geyser]

mostly yeah nf is the way

at least sylv

[slow marsh]

Kyrian is good for raid because of the overall raid dps is higher than NF

[slim pebble]

Just did a DOS to try and farm my totem and 3 dropped? I have never seen that before

[slow marsh]

since it buffs allies too

[echo geyser]

yes but is any hunter actually saccing their own dmg for raid

[slow marsh]

yes

[echo geyser]

i was not aware that was possible for hunter players

[slow marsh]

yeah ikr

i mean either or tbh

in all seriousness they are both fine options for their own reasons

similar to sin necro or venth

kyrian hunter is less reliant on setup than necro warrior so the small personal dps loss is generally worth it

cuz like necro warrior is huge.....but usually not worth the setup involved to make it work

[echo geyser]

i see

[shadow wedge]

Hello boys, any Assa Necro Raider here can help me with the rotation/opener? I think im doing something wrong

[echo geyser]

send raid logs

[gusty mirage]

@echo geyser do you ever sleep?

[brazen zodiac]

my bf LUL

[echo geyser]

i have indeed gone back to the demonic schedule

im NA boi now

[kind talon]

[ebon notch]

15 NW time??

[echo geyser]

plz dont make me start a key at 7am

[ebon notch]

[echo geyser]

[ebon notch]

warrior 240 ilvl now pog

i even made fury leggo

just need another 2h weapon to pump

[kind talon]

https://discord.gg/YvM28xfk

@ebon notch

this is #assassination

hope i get a sylv dagger in box :)

[ebon notch]

https://discord.com/invite/yqer4BX

@kind talon

[kind talon]

https://discord.gg/CRUXWjv5

[oak sky]

no

can you eliminate classic

[echo geyser]

should i play hunter or warrior

[balmy condor]

[echo geyser]

i go sleep

@kind talon stop trolling

[kind talon]

sory

[kind talon]

enjoy sleep

[gloomy violet]

is it normal if melee is like my top dps for single target fights ?

[ebon notch]

Shouldn't be top top but should defo be up there

If you have wft then it could probably top with poor winds crit chance yeah

[gloomy violet]

like my sim right now melee is top dps

followed by deadly posion . envenom

then wind

[ancient peak]

rogue melees slap

[green ledge]

Shouldnt be higher than envenom and wind tho

[grand ridge]

Itemization and legendary can affect white damage too like if you have low mastery but a good amount of crit haste

[slow marsh]

winds would still be top

would have to see an actual log to see if the melee dam on top is wrong or not...but it doesn't seem right normally

[gloomy violet]

my wind is rank 4 , and my crit is 34%

[gloomy violet]

i can sent the sim if that helps

[gloomy violet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k72MGQUKxbMb7c7BGJ2UWa

[limber lion]

Seems fine. Are you sure 3 pot is better than Dauntless? Have you simmed it?

[hollow river]

Yeah winds won’t always be top 1-2 if it’s only r4. I think at least

[gloomy violet]

whats 3 pot and dauntless

[harsh lantern]

3 potency conduits vs dauntless duelist

[stray mural]

Tfw I've been gatekeeping myself from the 10k club by not doing Torghast https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mFHYQtpU6h9a6fXcZwTzcV

[kind quiver]

I tried three pot conduits at 252 with the socketed bonuses and they didn’t beat Dauntless at 242 Ilevel, so I doubt it.

[limber lion]

Exactly, that's why I'm asking...

[kind quiver]

Yeah, it’s a lot more potent than I thought. I thought for sure it was going to be irrelevant at that point, but it’s damn powerful for sure.

[limber lion]

Well, it makes sense right. It's just a flat 3% damage buff and most of our potency conduits are just bad.

Don't really have great potencies

(other than Lashing Scars)

[kind quiver]

True that, flat damage buff is hard to overcome. She’s awesome, what can I say?

[peak bobcat]

Do we think mfd/obe or vig/dash is better for sylv ?

[alpine latch]

@limber lion for heroic Sylv, when should I use my pots? I got a 3-pot kill last night, but IDK if that was actually the best use of my potions.

[subtle tundra]

i cant anymore another depleted key on last boss

dos 11% -.-

[ebon notch]

what level

[echo geyser]

Seems quite hard to solo on tyr

[limber lion]

Opener, 2nd potion on adds with cooldowns in p2, 3rd potion with lust/cooldowns in p3

[subtle tundra]

25

[subtle tundra]

we didi two phase strat

so 2 people on one totem, 3 on the other

we had time, tank died at 11% boss

[alpine latch]

Okay, so I did it correctly then

[ebon notch]

to what? thats so rough

[subtle tundra]

we did it with frost guy and couldnt run out of circles

[ebon notch]

you guys were grouping and stacking htem right?

in melee/ranged

[subtle tundra]

4 melees yea

[ebon notch]

i usually walk up the middle bit and dump it at the end

[gusty mirage]

I’m assuming no roars or movement speed buffs?

[subtle tundra]

nope

[ebon notch]

and you can walk around for free on the main platform

[gusty mirage]

Ye that’s rough

[subtle tundra]

he usually has freedom but it didnt come up in time

[gusty mirage]

[subtle tundra]

depleted 4 different dungeons on last boss this week 😦

only 1 time which was pf kekw

[sour geyser]

what is this pandemic window i keep hearing about ?

[limber lion]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[sour geyser]

ty

[lavish lichen]

I had a 2700 io mage die to the totem and rip my key

[subtle tundra]

thats why the double phase strat is good

[lavish lichen]

You have to go way faster but yea its decent

[subtle tundra]

on high tyra keys youre not gonna do the boss % anyways

[lavish lichen]

Making up 1.5 minutes aint that easy

[subtle tundra]

so you might aswell be able to save cds

with rogue route you can

doing the shroud at start, and at mechagon area skipping almost everything

we even skipped the slimes

had 5:30 minutes on last boss with bad overall dps

i was highest on overall with 12.2k dps, thats very low for dos

[pure moth]

what level key?