assassination

[stray mural]

If you form your own it isn’t horrendous

[plain thistle]

what a wierd question

[stray mural]

I mean to truly min max

[plain thistle]

are you asking if we get more damage bonus from a monk debuff or DH? because "magic" comp or melee comp doesnt change anything

[zinc frost]

We fit with classes that do aoe

[ebon notch]

Where can I find the Sims for legion tw?

[balmy condor]

there are none

[ebon notch]

ah mb thought i couldnt find the pin

[regal cape]

Winds crit

only 71k cap on guardian kill

[gusty mirage]

[static rock]

Just curious why is no one using obedience in top 100 mythic?

[dry galleon]

in raiding? i assume bc dashing with frost dom set is just way to good

if ur talking mythic+ then there are ppl that use it, i think multiple in top 10 on raiderio use obedience

[slow marsh]

I would think the people playing obed are playing sub instead

[regal cape]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bnPaJRf8cpgwT9Ad#fight=18&type=damage-done&source=3 Only 33% of winds crit and we 19 manned prog kill

[spice spire]

for assassination it's definitely the dashing + frost combo outweighs obedience

[static rock]

i just swapped venthyr and crafted obedience for sub, and i figured i'd try sin as well but i dont see like anyone playing it

[slow marsh]

I get what they're saying though, obed is 2nd best and maybe better in certain fights depending on timings/adds (I'm not 100% sure where the use case would be off the top of my head) so kinda weird not to see if at all

[static rock]

on the pins it didnt look bad, but i see more venthyr doomblade then obedience

[slow marsh]

It's the same thing as last tier is what I would assume in that dashing wasn't bad but doomblade was just better and they ran the same setup

[gusty mirage]

if you're using it to multispec it's more than fine

I feel like the only fight obe sucks is painsmith

and thats for both sin and sub

[static rock]

Okay thanks!

[slow marsh]

A lot of the early obed adopters were crafting it to play sub too so that's a big factor imo

You'll see more as the tier goes on and people start crafting different stuff and messing around

[arctic hare]

#assassination-faq message did NF get a buff? Lot higher than I expected it to be

Based on the sims that is

[gusty mirage]

nah kyrian is just poo poo for sin

[arctic hare]

lol

Wait, for sin specifically, kyrian is worse than nightfae????!!!!

[gusty mirage]

honestly they might be equally meh

mikanikos kinda carries kyrian

[arctic hare]

Color me surprised I guess

I do kinda wanna try out sepsis just cause, but screwing around with covenants will just have to wait

[spice spire]

NF legendary though

When is that juice sim coming through

[arctic hare]

I can’t wait to see the new aoe sims with the update and all that

[slim pebble]

Man you would think sylv pugs would be better on a Wednesday night

[shrewd helm]

for mplus on tyranical weeks do you prefer well placed steel or poisoned katar?

[obtuse ruin]

Wps

[spice spire]

It depends on what your group needs. I personally prefer WPS over PK, but I run with a WW monk and ele shaman mostly

So they blast packs while I am left to blast boss

[shrewd helm]

running BM, Rog, Fmage,UDK/RSham

[spice spire]

Hol up

You 4 DPSing let’s go

If it’s BM, fire mage it’s a tough call. Just feel our whatever is missing. If you’re taking way longer on bosses than you feel you should, run WPS. If you feel the trash packs need to be bopped, run that PK

[clear shadow]

on tarra tho ;/

[stiff tapir]

Even with kleia? Big crit for dashing?

[shrewd helm]

Brew Master Frost mage

[shrewd helm]

TY.

[indigo valley]

Is 140k the highest you’ve got so far? I haven’t done Tara since I got r5, the biggest I’ve seen is 108k

[brazen zodiac]

when u check stat weights for m+ shit and this is what u get

i did something very wrong

[ebon notch]

dont use stat weights

but mastery gaining prio in multi target is normal

haste im confused by lmao

[brazen zodiac]

no im talkin about crit

yeah

i think i did the unspeakable

i replaced blood with the nine

LMFAO

@obtuse robin please take the nine ring away from me

[ebon notch]

nine ring simmed rly well for me for a bit

depends on how fugged ur stats are

[brazen zodiac]

it did for me too

thats why i tried it

simming without raid premium sucks cause i sim myself in circles or i either crash my chrome lfmao

idk i use stat weights just to get an idea of where im at

[ancient kraken]

That’s fine

[brazen zodiac]

ima resim it rn with bloodaoth back on

daps did i tell u about my other orange parse!!

:D

we GAMING out here

[ebon notch]

i saw dude

PUMPING

only way is up

[brazen zodiac]

i wonder if its titanic too. i switched IQD out for titanic 252 but idk if thats the move for m+ specifically

predator by pentakill is actually my new fav

idk

absolute headbanger

[ebon notch]

so good

actually

[brazen zodiac]

ok

it was def

the ring

[obtuse robin]

here we go

[brazen zodiac]

it wasnt the ring

fk

[meager mountain]

Hey I’m struggling to find a reliable youtuber for assassination

Does anyone have a any suggestion on someone who makes a good guide for raid

[fallen arch]

Yeah read the #assassination-faq

It’s much better than any video guide you’re probably gonna find on youtube

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[brazen zodiac]

@obtuse robin oh my god its bad this time

[balmy condor]

nope :D

videos get outdated instantly

marcelian just put one out for sin

that'll get you the basics

[brazen zodiac]

committing the unspeakable

[balmy condor]

I looked over the script for them

so I give that my stamp of approval

but videos are kinda terrible for anything more than the basics

[obtuse robin]

not like this

[brazen zodiac]

dude.

im about to bring this to the researchers themselves.

im SO CONFUSED.

this isnt something some stoner can handle at 3 am bro

its been stuck at this for 3 minutes now i broke the system

[balmy condor]

do I want to know

or should I just tab back to #subtlety

[obtuse robin]

sub

[balmy condor]

hey once I get frost, it's back to sin

maybe

[brazen zodiac]

im about to switch to sub if someone doesnt explain this crazy stuff

.<

[balmy condor]

depending on what boss I'm on

[brazen zodiac]

i plan on playin sub in like 6 weeks once i get rank 6 blood

[obtuse robin]

occam's razor

[brazen zodiac]

blood is like...the go to right lmfao

[obtuse robin]

ur simming to much

[brazen zodiac]

i simmed stat weights

maybe that's the issue all together

[zinc frost]

Yes come back

[obtuse robin]

so ur tellign me

[brazen zodiac]

[obtuse robin]

in a time where ur close to killing urself becuase u have no syl dagger

u wanty to play sub

[brazen zodiac]

listen

im a woman of many wonders ok

one day i feel sin the next im leveling up some shitty shaman

[obtuse robin]

yes gear an enhancment sha i got a raid spot for you

[brazen zodiac]

i simmed 3 dif times with diff gear and its all saying haste all of the sudden, yet the same setup i simmed like a day ago was primary crit

im like

[rocky pecan]

Same

[brazen zodiac]

my shaman's name is funny

toobttchy

or bttching i cant remember

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

finally

[brazen zodiac]

hi cev i hope ur having a lovely night

[balmy condor]

5 weeks time btw

[oak sky]

the return of the king

[balmy condor]

maybe 6

[brazen zodiac]

it takes 6 weeks from rank 1

[obtuse robin]

why so long 😦

[brazen zodiac]

:C

[balmy condor]

because I just got rank 5 blood

to be fair

I can probably rank 4 frost with a full clear next week

I'm rank 4/3/1 on frost gems

I leveled kyr early for fun cause I wanted to test some numbers

[limber lion]

Yuk.

[balmy condor]

whats the cost again?

5-10-15-30-50

?

[limber lion]

150 for r4

In total

Then 150 for r5

So 300 in total

50 a pop to get to r4, then 50 a pop to get to r5

[toxic quail]

whispyr i messed up man, i went Kyrian

theyre gonna boot me from sylvanas prog when they see this dmg

[limber lion]

Eww

Why would you do that to yourself

[toxic quail]

I really dont know, like i want echo rep to be good cause i like the idea. but its so underwhelming.

I scuffed.

[brazen zodiac]

its ok i stayed nf for the first month of the patch

[toxic quail]

good thing tomorrow is last day of raid for the week.

[balmy condor]

[clear shadow]

I think i had a 190k on soulrender

[strange python]

is a lot of haste required for playing sin?

[balmy condor]

sin stacks crit these days

[strange python]

and what besides crit

[brazen zodiac]

more crit

[strange python]

i have 41% crit

[brazen zodiac]

more crit

[balmy condor]

haste/vers mainly

[dawn kelp]

So I just got my venthyr rogue to around 210ilvl for raiding. What legendary do you guys recommend I got for first? Dashing or obied?

[balmy condor]

but 41% is a good start

dashing

[strange python]

41 crit 11 haste 13 vers

[balmy condor]

looks good to me

[brazen zodiac]

thats a lot of vers

[strange python]

im sub 😅

[brazen zodiac]

im at a fat 4 lmfao

ah haha

[strange python]

but want to try sin

[oak sky]

Bro my vers and mastery are basically 0

[balmy condor]

more than fine with those stats

[strange python]

for M+ is it still fine?

[balmy condor]

yeh

would want some mastery

[oak sky]

Im like 44 20 17 4

[balmy condor]

but wouldn't worry about it

[strange python]

i can take a bit more mastery but it would drop crit

[balmy condor]

if you got ilvl, and you got crit

you're chilling

[brazen zodiac]

stat weights telling me i need more haste all of the sudden

[balmy condor]

which one of the 4 you ran

[oak sky]

But like just top gear tho

[brazen zodiac]

all of them

[dawn kelp]

What’s the best energy builder in ST? Since no bleeds will be finishing on target

[balmy condor]

what

[brazen zodiac]

and even my original set up from like a day or two ago that i ran now all of the sudden says haste.

[balmy condor]

we don't have a energy builder

everything spends energy

[brazen zodiac]

i wonder if its the enhancement for lashing

[dawn kelp]

Yeah so whats the best way to manage that on raid fights

[brazen zodiac]

i cant sim it all tho >.<

[oak sky]

Guess not

[dawn kelp]

Cause I feel under 25% so often

[balmy condor]

that's how sin works yes

sin is a slow spec

[dawn kelp]

Ok that’s what I was curious. Ty for help ☺️

[balmy condor]

np

[brazen zodiac]

i clicked 2 rings

sorry raidbots

ill never do it again

[shrewd night]

Two rings generate more combinations than anything, same with weapons and trinkets. Why are you surprised?

If you want more combinations, buy premium

[brazen zodiac]

cause im new and rarely ever simmed

why are you surprised that im surprised

[oak sky]

i used to spam gear compare sims

dark times

[brazen zodiac]

that sounds horrible

[obtuse robin]

300k max

my god

[cursive sparrow]

any buddy know what is the best way to use vendetta on Mythic slvy in P2?

to maximize dps

[silver sail]

urgent help needed. On the mythic Remnant, our grp use the mass dispel strategy so both get dispelled at the same time. When I am the target of the dispel, i sometimes get knocked off platform and will not be able to shadowstep back to boss at all even if i press it straight away, but sometimes it works. I also always use cloak just before the mass dispel, however, the experience is not consistent. Anything I am missing here so it's almost guaranteed I can come back to platform?

[lavish grove]

Are you outer or inner?

[cursive sparrow]

only way to come back is you shadowstep at 0.1s

do you have wa to monitor mass dispell?

[lavish grove]

As inner you have to face outside the ring, as outer you have to time shadowstep perfectly. Shadowstep only works with ground below you, once you are off the platform you cannot shadowstep

[cursive sparrow]

or you might want shadowstep to your teamate

[silver sail]

my team mate will be knocked out

[lavish grove]

Also if possible don't stay right on the edge, that will give you a bit more time to shadowstep but it's still tight

[silver sail]

so the boss is the only way

[shrewd night]

Turn sideways

[silver sail]

so the shadowstep is very tight?

[quasi grotto]

Mass dispel placement we found is an issue too. The centre of the mass needs to be jnfront of the person at the edge

[shrewd night]

Gives more time to sstep, dont stand exactly on the edge

[shrewd night]

[lavish grove]

Yes that is why you use a MassDispel weak aura. It will show you the cast time of mass dispel

and you shadowstep when the cast bar is finished

[silver sail]

it's not always consistent

they delay it if there is shit on the ground or sometimes the mass dispel guy got silenced lmao

[quasi grotto]

Makes it more reliable. As in it dispells from the centre out almost

[shrewd night]

Thats like

[quasi grotto]

My man in here trolling this morning

[shrewd night]

Not at all how it works

[quasi grotto]

Seemed to help when we done it

[silver sail]

ok, so when i am the inside, i need to face to edge

[lavish grove]

Yes

[silver sail]

when i am outside, I turn sideway, and press Sstep the second that MD's cast bar is filled

my raid lead suggests that i use the necro 1st soulbind's ability fleshcraft during that time

is it worth it to give me 100% guaranteed survival

[shrewd night]

Your 100% guaranteed survival is shadowstep

[lavish grove]

I have not tried this sideway strat but usually stepping a bit away from the edge so you give yourself more room and time to shadowstep will work

[shrewd night]

Dont reinvent the wheel

[lavish grove]

Necro doesnt work

[quasi grotto]

Still not true , amount of times I shadowstepped on cast got flung from boss off

[lavish grove]

Then you get better at it

[shrewd night]

I dont know what to tell you, if you seem unable to pull it off doesnt mean the fault is with shadowstep

[silver sail]

so you saying the necro 1st soulbind does not work?

[quasi grotto]

Meant to be a place for helping people, yet your attitude is ass. Only sharing my experiences

[silver sail]

fleshcraft preventing crowd control?

or not

[shrewd night]

1. Stand further from the edge
2. Face sideways
3. Press shadowstep with the MD tracker
4. ???
5. Guaranteed survival

[lavish grove]

From what I know it doesn't and you can be targeted by back to back bombs

[quasi grotto]

Agreed. It works 95% of the time though.

[shrewd night]

Ok, explain to me the 5%

[quasi grotto]

Blizzard

[shrewd night]

No.

Use your words and explain to me what makes you unable to pull it off those 5% of times

[quasi grotto]

The MD can be buggy, found that even standing far , can still be dispelled after the guy who was close

[balmy condor]

I stand backwards and the step hits every time

[shrewd night]

When youre standing far, your dispell is supposed to hit after the close person

like what

[patent quartz]

If you are slow to step, u get out of range of boss if they tank it too far away from the edge

when my tanks do this i step on the other guy with the bomb

[lavish grove]

what, shadowstep is 30y range, if you outrange the boss then tanks get blown off the platform

[shrewd night]

I might be dumb here, so Ima go with the caveat that Im not on caffeine atm

@balmy condor help me out

[balmy condor]

I mean

Seems reasonable so far

[quasi grotto]

I'm not saying the step doesn't work

[balmy condor]

Although the dispel order is random

[shrewd night]

"random"

[quasi grotto]

^^^^

[balmy condor]

But it doesn’t matter

So

What does it matter

[quasi grotto]

It just caused us some issues was just highlighting that

[balmy condor]

It shouldn’t

[quasi grotto]

We found placement of the disppell seemed to help

[shrewd night]

Its still based on char id, and even if it causes issues, your shadowstep trumps whatever issues faced with md

[balmy condor]

Yeh

You just shadowstep regardless

I got blown the wrong way once

And I was like huh weird

And moved on with my life

[quasi grotto]

Yeah thats what I talking about. Happened on occasion

[shrewd night]

It doesnt have any consequence tho, inner guy still gets blown back, you still shadowstep

[quasi grotto]

But we found something that seemed to alleviate that from happening as much

I'm not trying to change anything. Gonna zip it nown

Anyone got that dagger yet

[shrewd night]

Guy went from one controversial topic to an even more controversial topic

[quasi grotto]

Gotta switch it up here

I was fighting a losing battle

So gonna talk about one we can all relate too

[fallow otter]

Just transfer server get new gui

[shrewd night]

"hey man, I need to transfer to parse on remnant, pls invite crossrealm next week"

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

ur gonna make me scream

[quasi grotto]

I scream weekly too

Got 2 252 daggers now and the normal one is apparently a dps loss

[mossy crown]

I need more crit https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ocKicUQU6h8rbTcg1pxjdX

[slim jay]

Normal edge showin as a tiny down grade compared to my 242 dagger

Idk why im simming dagger as if it will drop

Forever a daggerless pleb

[potent dagger]

Wellcome to the club XD

[wide stone]

1x 233 dagger gang? Xd

[limber lion]

It doesn't have to drop if it's a downgrade anyways.

[slim jay]

Heroic would be an upgrade

I pray

[limber lion]

[timid cloud]

If they make you be the outside guy on Remnant, just be closer to the guy who is more towards the inside & shadowstep to him, because if you get taken off the platform even like 1 yard your shadowstep will fail. So don't aim for the boss, aim for the other bomb guy, & obviously face the outside.

[hollow escarp]

Or do it like me and ask to be benched on that boss because you don't need loot

[zinc frost]

Big brain moves

[willow eagle]

yo is mfd a competitive st talent now?

[limber lion]

It's aight, but sim it

It really depends on the fight obviously.

The more resets you get, the better it is.

[willow eagle]

sounds pretty potent on fatescribe

[sturdy mesa]

@limber lion Quick question, is there a reason as to why majority plays Doomblade on sylv? ^^

[limber lion]

Doomblade generally sims a bit better with the EP/Vigor build when simming with a lot of movement. However I would just stick to Dashing, especially when you're playing with r5 frost, because it's just the better choice for p1 and p3.

[sturdy mesa]

Aite thx for the response homie!

[quasi grotto]

am i wasting damage trying to build CP with FOK on near balls on Painsmith

[gusty mirage]

If the balls weren’t too far away from the boss I used FoK to build easy CP for more envenom

[rocky pecan]

and reset frost buff

[gusty mirage]

I wouldn’t go too far out to hit them, but if they’re there go for it

[gloomy rose]

regarding the remnant I am using what someone told me here that you shadowstep 0.1 sec before the massdispel finishes casting and it works pretty reliably, the only moment it really screwed me was when the priest got silenced just before finishing and I wasted my shadowstep

[gusty mirage]

Yeah that happened a few times to me too you just kinda accept your inevitable death at that point

[lavish lichen]

LOL

Just play sub ez

[gusty mirage]

Every time that happened to me. I just walked up and walked away as my character got blown away to Antarctica

[fallen arch]

I have a real hard time timing the shadowstep there

It feels super awkward tbh

It’s roulette for me if I make it or not

[hollow river]

We had to make our raid stand a few yards away from the edge, for the outside person with the debuff

So that other rogue and I can actually shadowstep

[fallen arch]

Yeah that would be nice

Give me a raid like that

[hollow river]

And still a couple people go almost to the edge when they’re inner and I’m outer -.- so fucking tilting

[fallen arch]

But I think its the same for warriors, hunters and druids right

They need land beneath their feet

[hollow river]

For soulshape? Idk

Disengage from hunters doesn’t get “no path available”

[hollow escarp]

what I tried so far is pressing the shadowstep keybind almost at the very end of the MD cast. Given the latency, I've never failed so far as in shadowstepping too early and yeeting everybody

but I always try to do that even if I don't have malevolence just to get used to it

[limber lion]

For warriors yeah, not for hunters/druids

Soulshape doesn't work either.

[fallen arch]

Dont druids use wild charge?

I think that has the same pathing issue as shadowstep

[hollow escarp]

I think they do

I think our feral was also using skull bash as it has a charge

[arctic hare]

Soulshape should work

[limber lion]

Actually yeah, doesn't work for druids.

[arctic hare]

Wait

[limber lion]

Don't think so.

[arctic hare]

I could’ve sworn its saved my raid a few times

[limber lion]

Disengage and Demon Hunters Fel Rush/glide don't require a landing spot or a target

[arctic hare]

Hmm, hehehehehe, I’m raid assist, i can use them as test subjects muhahahahaha

[limber lion]

However Shadowstep/Wild Charge require a target and Soulshape/Heroic Leap requires a direct path to where you're trying to go to.

If you've ever tried to soulshape to a platform by jumping towards it and then soulshaping, you'll notice that soulshape does nothing

[arctic hare]

If heroic leap is similar to dh stomp, then vegeance is screwed right?

[limber lion]

It'll flicker but it'll just stop your movement

and you'll fall.

[limber lion]

Yes, but DH can just glide lol

[arctic hare]

That

Yeah, okay, good point

[limber lion]

But I mean

[arctic hare]

10 DKP FOR YOU

Lol

[limber lion]

Don't be so near to the edge where you get screwed over by it

Just get closer to the middle

Face the sides and you're gucci

[ornate dawn]

Just dont get targeted for Malevolence 4head

[lavish lichen]

I have on Sire

[lavish lichen]

Why do you face the side?

Cant you just face forward?

[limber lion]

Yeh, doesn't really matter which way you face honestly.

[grand ridge]

It's kinda annoying that you need two priests for that boss. The mechanic is so much harder without md

[lavish lichen]

You only need 1 afaik

[limber lion]

Need 2

[gusty mirage]

Esp when the chest piece (?) breaks off in p3

Need to make sure you have md off cd

[grand ridge]

It's a 45 sec cd

[meager mountain]

I blocked him and dalaran so i dont have to get suggested that shit

[wild beacon]

Dashing, R5 frost and 48% crit is ridiculous, the set effect was doing like 20% of my dps

[harsh lantern]

painsmith prog tonight 🙏

[deft obsidian]

Gotta love it

[grand ridge]

I finally got my rank 5 frost gems

my sim now has winds as my top dmg

[harsh lantern]

gz time to blast

[north basin]

dashing 56% crit 12% haste and r5frost also okeish xD

but sims dont like it. 300 dps less than 48% crit xD

[gusty mirage]

56% is a bit much

[bold jetty]

56% isnt too much penalty?

[gusty mirage]

A bit overkill if you will

[bold jetty]

Like 30%

[hollow escarp]

I think the dr hits early, there was a wowhead post about those

[north basin]

with 56% crit its 10500 dps and with 48% crit its 10800 for me

[buoyant fossil]

All these frost logs making me jelly. I haven't upgraded either of my sets since uh r5 is still somehow beating out r5 frost in sims

[arctic hare]

Mine are rank 3 atm

[arctic hare]

Is it cause you aren’t including dashing?

[hollow river]

Prolly need more crit or something

[viscid spear]

I still need Dashing so I have to work on that. Only R4 on both UH & Frost sets

[arctic hare]

Or it could be your crit value

[hollow river]

Frost is good even without dashing

[arctic hare]

True, but dashing makes it even stronger

[buoyant fossil]

Necro with doomblade ;c yeah my crit is low, commented on it yesterday.

[hollow river]

Depends on your gear

And covenant

Some people have obedience still simming on par with dashing with frost

[lavish lichen]

Yea doomblade is good for Necro

[hollow river]

Idk what their gear lookin like tho

[arctic hare]

Can’t wait, at rank 4, frost beats out doomblade frost with dashing

Rn, dashing can’t beat doomblade frost yet

Stuck at a good 37-38% crit atm

[harsh lantern]

My breakdown still close af

[arctic hare]

Lol, epicness

[north basin]

anyone have idea how to deal good frost crits more consistently?

sometimes its 50k sometimes 80k

how to makee always 80k ?XD

[lavish lichen]

Yea sacrifice 3 goats and 2 chickens at sunrise

[harsh lantern]

^

[rocky pecan]

Crit life

My best was 104k on kt

[balmy condor]

Get luckier

[lavish lichen]

In all seriousness

[rocky pecan]

Happened once so just lucky

[lavish lichen]

Have better uptime

You’ll get more consistent winds damage with higher uptime crit or not

[north basin]

i noticed with many targets i get 100k crits too. in st its 50-80k

[balmy condor]

Well yeh

[north basin]

dunno how it works

[lavish lichen]

Yea bc it stacks

[stiff tapir]

You can get a weakaura that tracks the timer / stacked damage

[balmy condor]

When you crit, you collect some damage

Every 20 seconds, it deals that damage

[north basin]

ye i understand it as a whole

but why 50 and 80k range

[cursive silo]

crit or no crit

[balmy condor]

Because you crit…. Less? And more?

[lavish lichen]

Because you collected more for 80k than 50k

You have a 20 second window to stack it up

[north basin]

so its just damages every 20 sec with or without crits?

[stiff tapir]

Doesn’t the winds of winter crit as well?

[lavish lichen]

No

It only collects crits

[stiff tapir]

It’s 26% if your crit damage

Each crit hit

26% of those

[lavish lichen]

And yes it can crit

[stiff tapir]

Are collected

Over 29 seconds

20*

[balmy condor]

Every 20 seconds it does whatever you collected

[lavish lichen]

There is a max per crit too

[stiff tapir]

Then it goes BOOM

[north basin]

ah thats makes sense,

[stiff tapir]

just read the tool tip

[hollow river]

So when there’s multiple targets that you have dotted, it collects more crits than ST

[stiff tapir]

Which is why dashing is sooo gooood

[north basin]

so if in 20 sec i do many 18-20k evis crits it will do 80k+ crit

[rocky pecan]

Not sure my crit was on phylactere

[hollow river]

I tried CT on M Soulrender and my overall was higher and my boss damage was still the same as with PB

Was pretty sick

[stiff tapir]

It’s not even about the evis

I’d say your poisons/bleeds/melees are far more important

[north basin]

how can i play with weakaura which shows me frost timer? which tricks i can do

[stiff tapir]

I used to have one but hinestly I don’t think you need to track it to that degree

Boss uptime and cd usage is far more important

Have so many DPS in my guild pop CDs and then get picked for malevolence on nerzhul and then just afk cuz they gotta run and get dispelled

[north basin]

but lets say its guardian mythic. he have 30% left and i have vendetta flag. can i play with frost tiimer here?

[pale plank]

Does our weapons poison counts as a poison for dashing scoundrel?

[stiff tapir]

It’s only weapon poisons isn’t it?

Deadly poison

[night leaf]

there is also an upper cap to the crit you accumulate per hit as far as I knoe

[hollow river]

I don’t think there’s a whole lot a timer is gonna help you with on pure ST

[rocky pecan]

You try to min max to much I think

[hollow river]

A timer can help you in multi target because you can make sure to switch to boss before your frost casts, and try to crit the boss

[stiff tapir]

If you’re trying to parse guardian then you can get picked for any mechanics

Frost isn’t gonna save you

[hollow river]

Because frost hits the last target you crit

[north basin]

iam just thinking align my vendetta + flag + shiv into the start of frost timer and push agility pot., does it make sense to anyone?

when boss is 30% or less. so its my last vendeta

[cobalt pelican]

?

[hollow river]

No I don’t think so

[cobalt pelican]

why would it make any difference

[hollow river]

You just play as usual

[stiff tapir]

I don’t think you can buff frost damage

[cobalt pelican]

it'll just go into your next frost if it recycles, frost isn't a burst window

it's just a damage amp, functionally

[north basin]

coz timer of frost damage is 20 sec. so i want to bet on highest crit at the end of fight

no?

[stiff tapir]

I think your misunderstanding

[hollow river]

No

[stiff tapir]

You don’t play around frost

You play around your normal rotation

[hollow river]

No matter when you use CDs they’re gonna feed frost crits

It doesn’t matter

[stiff tapir]

You could end up missing multiple shiv applications because you decide to hold them

Or you could miss vendetta because you hold it

[north basin]

so theoretically it doesnt matter when i start to make aplified damage (vendeta+pot+shiv) in middle of frost rotation cycle or in the begining it wil net same result?

i stated before- i wont miss vendeta or shiv.

its last in the fight

i just wanted to make sure iam not missing on minmaxing

[tribal mauve]

hey guys we start KT tonight, what leg / talent do you think is better to start with

[hollow river]

Exactly. It will not make a difference

[stiff tapir]

You’re probably gonna be on tbe down phase each time. So pure ST

[hollow river]

No matter when you crit, at any point. It’s feeding a frost proc.

[north basin]

ok got it

[hollow river]

What leggos do you have? And EP+Vigor. Some people also play CT even if they’re going down to phylactory.

[stiff tapir]

I only play CT on dormazain

And sylvannas

But my guild not on sylvannas

[hollow river]

Afaik you can play CT on Fatescribe and KT

Soulrender kinda whatevs between PB and CT.

[tribal mauve]

i have zold dashin doomblade 262
didnt play CT on fate o/

[stiff tapir]

If you wanna pad adds I guess

[hollow river]

I’d just run Dashing, ep+vig. Play around and see if you like PB or CT better. And remember that when running CT with Dashing, you don’t need to keep CT applied in ST

[stiff tapir]

I guess you’ll get better up time with CT

I feel like some bosses just move way too much for PB to do anything

[hollow river]

Not really padding if they need to die anyway.

Also in my experience I’ve still gotten similar boss damage results even when I run CT on Soulrender.

[stiff tapir]

You’re supposed to run CT on dormazain

[hollow river]

Most of PB’s damage is in the initial hit iirc, could be wrong. But it’s also only like 2 seconds of damage or some shit idr

[hollow river]

Debatable.

Iirc Cev says to run CT on KT. And he says “maybe” Fatescribe.

[real bay]

dont see why you wouldnt use CT on dorma

[cloud reef]

I dont think a few dot ticks are the reason the adds are or arent dying

[brazen fern]

Whats the best timing for PI on M+ Bosses?

With vendetta or after?

[cloud reef]

you have WW/hunters/ele shamans who will be blasting adds

[proper pendant]

?

[cloud reef]

the damage you do will not matter

[real bay]

i think you mean you SHOULD have those, not every raid is the same

[cursive silo]

on someone else

[hollow river]

I mean it’s about you doing more damage

[cloud reef]

sure youll 'do more damage'

[hollow river]

But if the adds have to die anyway that’s not padding

[cloud reef]

but whats the priority

[hollow river]

CT crits help feed winds

[real bay]

^ feels goodman

[hollow river]

If my boss damage is still the same with CT as PB why wouldn’t I take CT??

[proper pendant]

Personally i hate crimson tempest

pls remove blizzo

[cloud reef]

if you run dashing you dont press CT on ST

[hollow river]

If it helps my overall and make adds for a tiny bit quicker without effecting my boss damage

Seems fine to me

[hollow river]

Not talking about ST

...

I don’t cast it in ST

[cloud reef]

Fair enough.

Im not saying its a bad option

my point is, your damage to the adds is irrelevant

[hollow river]

That’s an opinion

It depends on your raid

[stiff tapir]

During your CDs

[real bay]

looking at logs there is literally 0 difference in boss damage between PB or CT

so use whatever you want

[hollow river]

^^^

[stiff tapir]

What boss

[real bay]

Soulrender

[stiff tapir]

I mean

You get more damage from CT on adds

Not pb on boss

Adds have a 100% damage amp on them

So you toss CT on them

[cursive silo]

u legit cannot read idk

[stiff tapir]

Not pray for a PB

[hollow river]

He said boss damage

[stiff tapir]

I know

Understand that

[hollow river]

Ah

[stiff tapir]

But the entire

[real bay]

pump that frost

[balmy condor]

It’s too early for this shit man

:/

[stiff tapir]

Use whatever you want

[hollow river]

Lmao

[stiff tapir]

Doesn’t work

For when you prioritize add damage

Not boss damage

[balmy condor]

CT on soulrender is good

Idk why people want to argue in favor of dogshit ass pb

[gusty mirage]

PB sucks on soulrender

[stiff tapir]

You use CT on soul render, not pb

[gusty mirage]

there's so much movement

[balmy condor]

Why do people want to play pb

[real bay]

lazy

[gusty mirage]

because maintaining another dot is "hard"

[quasi venture]

[halcyon zealot]

same reason they want to macro ambush to mutilate

[hollow river]

I only cast CT during ST during the dances

[halcyon zealot]

5 buttons is too hard can’t add another

[cursive silo]

you don't even maintain it you just press once on adds and it should last the whole set no?

[hollow river]

Just cause why not ya know

[hollow river]

Depends on your raid :/

[stiff tapir]

You can maintain it, let it drop during shiv window

[hollow river]

We’re down a ww atm, currently gearing one.

[stiff tapir]

If you have a monk

Then just once

[hollow river]

So our adds live a little

[stiff tapir]

And back to boss

[gusty mirage]

You'd be shocked. Had a DH ask me what he should macro guardian trinket to. I was like "nothing? You just use it on CD..."

[cloud reef]

If they live a while its giga juice

[gusty mirage]

"Yeah but...."

[cloud reef]

but if you have a blaster aoe pack its kinda sadge

[cursive silo]

to be fair if you use something on cd you can macro it to all of your rotation 5Head

[gusty mirage]

yea but he's a DH

he has 4 buttons max

he can afford a 5th

[stiff tapir]

They don’t have a rotation

Just hit your forehead on tbe keyboard

[gusty mirage]

just play CT

PB is kaka

[real bay]

kaka popo

[gusty mirage]

^

[gusty mirage]

on soulrender

let me clarify that

lol

[hollow river]

Too late

[gusty mirage]

fuck

[hollow river]

I’m playing CT on everything now

[gusty mirage]

[quasi venture]

"t22 tier set" 2 set PB is useful. 4 set PB is useful 6 set PB procs atleast once in a fight

[hollow river]

Ya know what’d be sick?

A leggo that buffed CT

[gusty mirage]

if PB didn't suck?

oh

[hollow river]

That too!

[paper bridge]

Hi ! Does Dashing gain value with crit chance ? On my sims, doomblade sims very little higher.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wehqLd1Vva1q58EpfChwTo

[hollow river]

You’re necro

Pretty hard to make Dashing beat Doomblade being necro

[paper bridge]

Oh ! Ok ! I'll wait for 9.1.5 ! Thx a lot @hollow river

[hollow river]

[stiff tapir]

You think it’s worth going way above crit soft cap.

Might have to sim

[arctic hare]

Whats the crit soft cap for us? 30%

[stiff tapir]

41%

[hollow river]

My sims tend to try and keep me around 45-50% depending on the gear I’m simming

[hollow river]

Definitely

[plain thistle]

41% is not soft cap lol

[proper pendant]

what soulbind do u nerds run in M+

Theotar?

[stiff tapir]

Bonesmith

[proper pendant]

i feel dauntless duelist is sick for those prio targets

[stiff tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[celest ruin]

what happens to your stored frost damage when you dont have anything targeted when it procs?

[stiff tapir]

If a tree falls down in a Forrest, and no one is there to hear it, does it still make a sound?

[limpid minnow]

i've read the faq, but it looks like in practice for ST leggos (from WCL), it's dashing > doomblade > obedience?

[alpine garden]

It buffs the jailors health for the inevitable boss fight at the end of the expansion

[arctic hare]

Oh, good to know

[arctic hare]

Yes

[red plaza]

Correct. Depending on if you’re just starting or not, or if this is an alt, I would craft Obedience first. Dashing doesn’t get good until rank 3+ frost bonus and even then it’s only good for raid since the bonus doesn’t work in m+. And Doomblade is primarily ST

[meager mountain]

Hey guys my sin rogue is about 239 ilvl right now, ive cleared 5/10M on my main spriest but my guild is wanting me to switch to rogue. Do any of you recommend any resources where I can bring my skill to the next level on rogue? Rotation seems pretty straight forward so far but I could be missing something.

I use subcreation/Wlogs for info every day rn

[slim pebble]

The FAQ answers a lot of the easy questions and there are some really good rogues in here that can help you with the others

[gusty mirage]

The rotation is pretty straight forward, there's a bit of minmaxing you can do in terms of squeezing extra damage out but that's largely just you getting comfortable with the spec and picking up on it as you learn more. Check out the FAQ channel in here, and I think @balmy condor is updating the wowhead sin guide soon if not already. That'd be a good starting point to make sure you have everything down pat

Plus Mystler did a good job with the current guide so you won't have to worry too much

[subtle gyro]

points at @limber lion

[balmy condor]

SECRETS

[gusty mirage]

hurry ban me before anyone notices

[meager mountain]

Thank you i appreciate your response. Not really sure what the right questions to ask even are yet! lol

[meager mountain]

Thanks 🙂 Ill keep an eye out

[gusty mirage]

Yeah just mess around in heroic with the spec and I'm sure you'll pick it up quick

afaik sin isn't too far removed from the core concepts of spriest

[meager mountain]

I am parsing 85-90 for ilvl right now but i have unholy shard set so

[red plaza]

Also if you have logs on your rogue you can post them here and people like to go through them to help out

[gusty mirage]

^

[meager mountain]

oh okay cool

[gusty mirage]

peeps are always glad to help out

[meager mountain]

I think frost set is bis though once I reach a certain crit% right?

[gusty mirage]

yeah frost shards + dashing ends up beating out doom + unholy when you get good enough gear, assuming you're venthyr

if you play necro they're pretty close

[raven vapor]

is there a cut off point for crit? i'm noticing swapping in a crit dagger over haste is a dps loss

[meager mountain]

I am venthyr using doom rn yes

[gusty mirage]

yea doomie's a good leggo until you get better gear

[subtle gyro]

40_45%ish for frost?

[gusty mirage]

you want more crit for frost

usually anything above 40% + r5 frost pulls ahead by quite a bit

plus the absorb from the frost set is HUGE for prog

[raven vapor]

i'm at 46% crit now this dagger would take me to 48% but it's simming lower with frost+dashing r5

[meager mountain]

I got the heroic crit sylv ring last night so im at 31% crit 24% haste. Ill have to sim but do you know what the minimum crit % is to start using frost set?

jesus

[gusty mirage]

if its around ~10-15 dps just go with the higher crit

[raven vapor]

yeah it's -12 dps

[gusty mirage]

yea the mythic remnant dagger sims 7 dps higher than my crit/mastery 246

[meager mountain]

oh i didnt see this

damn 9% to go..lol

[gusty mirage]

I just stuck with the crit/mast dagger lol

[raven vapor]

just picked up the plaguefall dagger

[subtle gyro]

all gems and enchants go crit. The eye trinket gives 3%.

230 Blue ring u can make crit heavy aswell

[gusty mirage]

don't worry too much about the #s of the secondaries, but I'd hold embers and upgrade the frost

as you get better gear you'll be fine

[meager mountain]

yeah still trying to build up the courage to farm stygia...need the shovel

at 1k stygia lol

[gusty mirage]

let top gear lead the way

[gusty mirage]

yeah fuck that don't outright farm it, just get it passively from the rares in korthia

[meager mountain]

I want it now

[gusty mirage]

farming stygie gives me early 9.0 ptsd

[meager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/chapelle-dave-tyrone-biggums-gif-12898292

[gusty mirage]

[strong shale]

Doomblade or Dashing first leg i wanna for pvp any can help ty

[subtle gyro]

not worth the burn out

[gusty mirage]

if you clear most of the rares every day you should get enough in a week

korthia rares that is

double up on research too

[meager mountain]

Been looking at maw rares too

cant solo them rn tho

[gusty mirage]

oh also make sure you hit he tormentors of torghast at least once a week

and the rift chests have a bit of stygie as well

I turn in the venari weekly every week and I don't think I've noticed any dip in my stygia

[meager mountain]

I did that on accident

i was distraught

Lethal poisons conduit is trash right? Not seeing anyone use it on subcreation

Just got it from my key

[cobalt pelican]

just open the 250 stygia box on all 700 of your alts you don't have

every day

woo

[meager mountain]

oh from the vault

its account bound?

[cobalt pelican]

not from the vault

there's just a chest in the maw that gives you 250 stygia account bound boa token daily

[meager mountain]

oh thats right

shit

ty

[hollow river]

It procs on the last target you crit. If that target is dead I think you lose your proc iirc.

[gusty mirage]

I've had it proc on targets I had selected as something died, so idk how it actually works tbh

I was stealthing to the next mob and it just hit it lol

[hollow river]

O.o

[strong shale]

Doomblade or Dashing first leg i wanna take for pvp any can help ty

[gusty mirage]

yeah idk

[gusty mirage]

I think pvpers prefer doomie for the more consistent damage, but I'd ask in #pvp

[hollow river]

#pvp

[strong shale]

Ty

[meager mountain]

How much more DPS does dashing give over doom? Assuming you can have bis stats for both

and gear

[meager mountain]

thank you very much

[cerulean nest]

how do you handle a guildie who thinks every reddit post and MDI technique is the only way to play the game

[north basin]

u cant do nothing with believers

[celest ruin]

make a reddit post yourself on what to do, hell be forced to follow you since its a reddit post

[raven vapor]

explain to him that he's not a .1% top player and most of these strategies require that level of skill?

there's nothing wrong with trying to work towards that ofcourse but in most cases it'll hinder you rather than help

[cerulean nest]

yeah of course, i love when people want to push themselves to their skill limit, that's awesome

but when you shit talk or demean people who don't literally follow RWF style it's pretty out there

[cobalt pelican]

that's a very general question

[mossy crown]

hooray phial finally dropped

[cobalt pelican]

there are things that aren't good to copy, but there definitely are things that are good to copy

[raven vapor]

most people don't realize these strategies require a lot of practice, you can't expect pugs/inexperienced players to pull them off first time

[cerulean nest]

yeah thats what I mean. understanding that your random guild isnt Method, and can't necessarily blindly follow every strat to the T. gotta consider the group you're actually playing with

[fervent rune]

Especially because not every guild has the same class breakdown as some of the top guilds

[meager mountain]

Are there any flaws to this sim? It seems to be using venthyr as a profile

Shouldnt necro doom sin be like 0.4% behind

sorry

[raven vapor]

that's purely single target, necro would pull closer or ahead when you bring in adds

[meager mountain]

ah gotcha

thank u for clarifying

[raven vapor]

i'm just grabbing this from the faq channel btw but if you want to see how the other shard sets stack up check out https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GMXg8KjFMLnqcu9irkBXeLDhELg2wNtG9bteEV5BsZ0/edit#gid=580596424

[meager mountain]

In 5-8 target aoe do you guys just spam tempest?

or let the dot go

[raven vapor]

never spam it

[meager mountain]

and then use envenom

[raven vapor]

just maintain the dot

[meager mountain]

damn so u have to go back to single target spender

ty

[raven vapor]

spread your dots, maintain CT, Shiv on cd if all of that is up you can ST

[meager mountain]

yup

sounds gewd

[raven vapor]

but you'll most likely be refreshing dots, unless you need to funnel ST

[meager mountain]

Im just spoiled as spriest main with devo plague design

wish all dots worked that way

lol

[raven vapor]

don't we all 🙂

[meager mountain]

💔

[viscid spear]

[humble kayak]

Would love some input from the discord on something I’ve been struggling with for a few weeks, I usually just lurk here so appreciate the advice ahead of time: I’m currently parsing consistent 99’s and I’m trying to push into a 100 parse if I can. I’m currently holding fusion amplifier (trinket) for my 2 minute vendetta window because I have a guaranteed PI rotation with a priest for prog. I’m unsure if I would get more value using it on the 1:30 cd or continuing to save it for the 2 min cd window since I’ll always have the haste from PI. Has anyone experimented with this and know which one comes out higher?

[raven vapor]

i believe fusion amplifier is just straight up damage and doesn't benefit from any buffs (maybe haste) i may be wrong on that though, i tend to pop it on CD which generally lines up with Flag

[humble kayak]

Well it empowers your weapons, so I’m assuming the more my weapons hit with higher haste, the more it’ll proc

[tired vessel]

Just get another priest and take 1 more PI 🤓

[arctic hare]

Can you take 2 PI’s at once?

[humble kayak]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/alexstrasza/crimiknell#bybracket=1&difficulty=5

Currently necro and here are the stats if it can help determine which might be better

[humble kayak]

I actually have no idea lmao, I already catch shit in my guild for the PI romance the priest and I currently have lol

[harsh lantern]

just take pi on cd gg

get a Druid to juice you up or whatever they do

[raven vapor]

looking at past answers it looks like lining it up is beneficial but not if you're having to hold it for prolonged periods, i would imagine it depends on the encounter length and if you would miss a cast by holding it for 30 seconds each time

[gusty mirage]

buncha filthy degens

[ebon notch]

https://i.imgur.com/ADQBJq7.png

only in heroic huh

[raven vapor]

probably need someone a bit more knowledgeable to answer the question

[gusty mirage]

ye I don't think I've ever gotten acid gland on mythic tbh lol

wait I just lied to you

nvm

[ebon notch]

[cerulean nest]

got a nice Nine parse last night which Im happy about, still dont know what the proper way to open the fight is though so im just winging lol

[ebon notch]

!opener

fuck

whats the command

[slim pebble]

Has anyone had the issue where your mutilate goes off, you hear the sound effect but arent awarded any combo points?

[cerulean nest]

i know the opener. i mean for that specific two target encounter

[ebon notch]

you might have gotten parried

[raven vapor]

wait is acid gland good for us? i've never targeted it i generally go for weights, carvings and both hearts

[balmy condor]

It’s hasted but missing a cast usually worse

[slim pebble]

I thought I was behind her

but I probably did you right

[balmy condor]

Probably the single best

[raven vapor]

well i'm out the loop

[ebon notch]

what i do on the nine for example, is i mut>snd>mut>garrote>rupture the SECOND target> build up to rupture on first> flag>then continue as normal

but idk if thast optimal

i just asked jpc and it worked well

[strange python]

can I find the windfury sims somewhere in the discord?

[balmy condor]

Pinned in #wow-general

[cerulean nest]

thats sorta what I do. i make sure duelist is on Kyra and put both bleeds on her, work back up both bleeds on second target, then unload flag vendetta etc. on the first one

[gusty mirage]

yea I honestly found this to be the smoothest opener for my brain at least

but I'm already a smooth brain so

[ebon notch]

dont put both cause waiting for garrote to come back up is kinda cancerous

[lavish lichen]

pretty sure the right way to go about it is to only do this for if you dont lose any casts, so likely only your last 1 MAYBE last 2

[ebon notch]

go for garrote on main target

aim for double garrote after you have done your opener

[raven vapor]

Does that mean our BIS powers are gland, weights, carvings and tremorbeast?

[ebon notch]

your downtime willb e too intense

[cerulean nest]

also I noticed that every single one of my wiinds of winter hit Kyra during the first phase. which was...weird?

[ebon notch]

why tremorbeast

[cerulean nest]

yeah thats true. will adjust next time

[ebon notch]

if you're focusing her you're more likely critting her more often so theres a higher chance that she will get targeted for winds, as it focuses your last crit target when the duration is up

[cerulean nest]

I was doing both completely evenly

must have just been coincidence

[raven vapor]

it's +15% primary stat? i can't see any of the others beating that unless theres some sort of synergy i'm missing (this is avoiding ten or towers/lumbering form)

[cerulean nest]

well i was 4% more active on Kyra I guess

not a ton

[balmy condor]

Usually things like fang/howler are better Im pretty sure

[ebon notch]

30% mainstat from elethium, 30% damage from lumbering, 30% from huddled, and 25% from potent

flat damage increase over mainstat is the logic im going for

[raven vapor]

we're not taking lumbering yet (even though the boss falls over) so what would you take instead?

[ebon notch]

i mean you shouldnt be standing in the safe spot anyway as a frost set rogue

you use frost set for first hit

feint for 2nd

cloak for third or just eat it and healthstone

or just stand on the very edge of the safe spot

if you cant take lumbering then the mainstat is fine or the howler

[harsh lantern]

man I’ve been griefing tarra lmao

I just cloak one and cheat one

time to go back

[raven vapor]

i get the idea, we're just being told not to use it lumbering at the moment. i'll have a play around with fang/howler/tremorbeast

not that any of this matters ofcourse because it's a face roll boss

[harsh lantern]

Ye just use lumbering fug it

Go big

[hollow river]

Never woulda thought to take lumbering as melee lol

[harsh lantern]

I don’t think I’ve used it personally

Never re rolled for good ones

[ebon notch]

gotta have that shrigma male mindset

[harsh lantern]

just kill boss

[spice spire]

That octillion damage grindset

[ebon notch]

i got rank 2 by 100 dps

cba

[harsh lantern]

no all star points no clout

[ebon notch]

pure ego check

nvm rank 1 got 1 pi so his log illegal

[harsh lantern]

truth

Dirty buff user

[ebon notch]

unless i get a PI then its complete legitimate

[harsh lantern]

ofc

[hollow river]

My second garrote usually lines up pretty decently. After I rupture Signe I usually mut once then garrote then switch back to Kyra and blow CDs

[ebon notch]

for me im usually 1-1.5 seconds off garrote

and i just wanna blast my cds

[hollow river]

Yeah that’s why I hit Signe with 1 mut typically

We also don’t list on pull though iirc

[cerulean nest]

I do that too ^, then just arcane torrent during the 1 second lol

[hollow river]

^that works as well

[arctic hare]

Well now I’m super curious

[clever kindle]

Bring out the Dark tech and play subterfuge

[cunning locust]

any tricks for dormazain chains?

[arctic hare]

You’re forced to pull them?

[cunning locust]

yea

[arctic hare]

My soul

Its been ruined!

[mossy crown]

what potions are people prefering?

[slow marsh]

No you can't stack pi's, you can cycle them though

[arctic hare]

Dannnnnng, would be nuts though so it makes sense

[slow marsh]

Yeah it would

[viscid spear]

If you could stack PIs the amount of Haste you had would literally allow you to dps Sylvanas while you were fighting Tarragrue.

[arctic hare]

Awesome

[arctic hare]

It’d be hilarious too

[viscid spear]

I'M DPSING THROUGH SPACE AND TIME

ALL HAS BEEN REVEALED TO ME
OUTLAW DOES NOT NEED BLADE FLURRY CHANGED

[tired vessel]

Does it work in reverse? That could explain the time i fell through the floor p2 sylv...it was to go dps terragrue's corpse 🤔

[viscid spear]

If you have below 10% Haste you actually Quantum Leap at random intervals.
The other night I saw someone fighting The Nine and all of a sudden they were progressing on Magtheridon.

[arctic hare]

lol

[dim temple]

I just get a new neck. hc [Interplanar Keystone] 246 but i had [Weathered Talisman of the Shadowmoon] 239 and i have forst shards.. i loss 3% crit from 43 down to 40% but raidbots says the is best [Interplanar Keystone].. that do guys think?

[prisma cypress]

i just do whatever raidbots says

[hollow river]

Do what your sim says

You’ll end up with more crit later on probably

[dim temple]

it says the 246 low crit but alot of haste

[hollow river]

If it’s a dps gain then use it

That neck is a gain for me too

Make sure you’re using Top Gear

And not Stat Weights

[grand ridge]

Haste is also important to this build

[hollow river]

Yeah my sims want me to have 0 mastery

[grand ridge]

Not as important as crit but the haste allows you more opportunities to crit

[slow marsh]

You can't necessarily full send crit without any haste and expect big dam

[grand ridge]

My pve set has 86 mastery lol

[arctic hare]

Mine has a little less, and its not even a pvp set

[slow marsh]

But there is a little bit if a sweet spot with haste just because of how the raid gear is stat-ed out

[dim temple]

yea anything is done right on the simc part.. but thanks for helping 🙂 i just love that crit u know

[slow marsh]

The only mastery I have is on my one pf dagger

[viscid spear]

If you have no Mastery you will end up holding your daggers by the blade and trying to bludgeon things to death.

[grand ridge]

As long as those winds keep proccing

[slim pebble]

For sylv do y’all use vendetta/flag on both burns in p2?

[ebon notch]

on mythic?

[slim pebble]

Heroic I don’t currently have a guild for mythic 😂

[ebon notch]

use it on pull, twice in p1 if the dps is low

then use it on first burn

then use it again on the 3rd platform

then use it on 1st platform p3

and then use it again on 3rd platform

[slim pebble]

Thank you.

[ebon notch]

np bruh

[ebon notch]

try and target the add that isnt being focused

should be the souljudge

[slim pebble]

I’ve been having issues lining it up to have it with lust in p3 so this is super helpful 😂

[ebon notch]

remember you can go into logs > casts > timelines

select the player

and click on the ability above the graph

and it will show you when and on what target they use w.e ability they casted

helps a lot

[limber lion]

no u

[cerulean nest]

i'm chilling at 1300 crit and my sims arent mad at me yet lol

[arctic walrus]

@limber lion omg it’s the only good rogue in the discord. How do I parse pls help!??

[slow marsh]

Yeah teach me master

@limber lion next stream when

[vast forum]

have you tried pressing your buttons in the best possible order at the best possible times?

[slow marsh]

Also have you memorized all the fight lengths including phase timers

For optimal CD usage

[arctic walrus]

No all I do all day is sit on raidbots and resim until I get a higher iteration average so I can link in here and flex

[vast forum]

oh, that works too

[slow marsh]

Pog

My kind of guy there

[limber lion]

I'll leak rogue secrets if you teach me how to make people laugh so I can also do well on my job interviews

[limber lion]

probably on monday when we have the main raid

[slow marsh]

Shirtless stream or what

[arctic walrus]

Can’t teach talent sorry

[limber lion]

[arctic walrus]

Also you’ll never be truly r1 when you can’t snipe with mfd

[limber lion]

I'll be r1 without doing that, so why bother

maybe if there was competition

[arctic walrus]

Maybe if I could full clear

Probably gonna be relegated to 3 box rogue and 7 on dh

[limber lion]

just threat your gm about leaving the guild if you don't get to full clear

ewww

hopefully they don't convert you to a dh main

[slow marsh]

DH

[limber lion]

[small swan]

On mythic nerzhul, is it worth throwing rupture on the balls while they’re shielded for the energy gains to dump into boss, or nah?

[slow marsh]

Yes

Don't go too out of your way though

[small swan]

Sweet, thank you!

[meager mountain]

hey how come everyone is taking elaborate planning and vigor for raid? Im simming and it says to take blindside with stratagem. Is this just something that changes as you get more gear? I am 239ilvl

[arctic walrus]

most likely not but we do need a 2nd just in case our current guy wants to chill a week

[meager mountain]

@gusty mirage