Indeed
#assassination
shut garnet
balmy condor
slim wagon
love is in the air event?
balmy condor
Isn’t that around Valentine’s in February
last summit
Are there any sin coaches for raiding and/or m+?
balmy condor
I was making a stupid joke because of the emotes
Oh I see
balmy condor
Are there any sin coaches for raiding and/or m+?
Usually are just log reviews
slim wagon
and meev ignores me cause I'm incognito here and not with my ingame nickname
balmy condor
I’ve done coaching stuff in the past, @limber lion has as well
shadow tusk
How much Gold an hour Can i make for that
limber lion
💃
last summit
How much is coaching usually @balmy condor ?
balmy condor
Depends on what they need and how much time that takes
arctic hare
That moment when you forgot that you were farming the fangs of the father
true abyss
Can someone who is assn necro PVE/Keys build please send me your armory, I want to see what enchants I should be getting if possible please 🙂
verbal mantle
balmy condor
I thought I’ve seen it all
warm parcel
Tox
soft shale
eternal insight is the play the smarter you are the faster you can look up what stats do
winged basin
pov: you accidentally jumped off last two pulls of the night
- side I got to prog sylvanas - side is we didn’t kill it and ate not going back til RL says we are ready
arctic hare
heroic Sylv? or
zinc frost
I’d be yeeting myself outta that guild. You’ll get better luck pugging heroic sylvanas
arctic hare
Yeah
runic terrace
Hey you guys. I'm looking for a Tricks of the Trade macro which casts on my focus and if there's none, the cast will behave like "normal" i.e. give me an option to cast it on whoever I want. Does something like this exist? I cannot find it on IV or Wowhead...
cobalt pelican
ya just move on
like honestly
even a low tier mythic guild should have killed heroic sylv weeks ago and be killing her every week
arctic hare
Hey you guys. I'm looking for a Tricks of the Trade macro which casts on my focu...
I have one
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, help] [@focus, help] [@targettarget, help] Tricks of the Trade
I think its a mouseover too lol
runic terrace
great! will try it ou - thank you very much @arctic hare
arctic hare
yup, works great for me so
plain thistle
Hey you guys. I'm looking for a Tricks of the Trade macro which casts on my focu...
not what you want, but you can also use a WA for "smart" tricks https://wago.io/OPG-27Bnm
it will always tricks the tank ( or pet if playing hunter solo ), if you have 2 tanks it will tricks the first tank or the tank you setted as priority
otherwise it will use on mouseover
runic terrace
oh, this sound great too - will try it out.
uneven summit
i can´t seem to find the updated info... Eternal Stats or Skirmish on chest? Celestial offhand, sinful main hand? And we still using oilx2 and phantom fire yeah?
winter vapor
!oils
shut flame
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
thorny pond
frost token
arctic hare
Epic
spice spire
God damn
arctic hare
What the heck, how are you healing that much?
thorny pond
recoup and nimble. I slam my vials idc what you all say
arctic hare
Heh, I slam my vials too LOL
arctic hare
but only when I start losing a slight bit of hp
thorny pond
there's last weeks soulrender
arctic hare
What exactly is a token of appreciation?
thorny pond
Theo's trait
It can proc from raid buffs going out too so my guild cheeses it off of me and our fury war
thorny pond
absorb*
thorny pond
frost gem
arctic hare
Ahh okay
timid talon
Yeah with r4 frost im usually the lowest damage taken in the raid
arctic hare
Jeez
timid talon
its pretty sick
arctic hare
thats friggin NUTS
thorny pond
Yea.; I went Nad yesterday cuz I didn't want to redo conduits again since my sub set is still my M+ set
arctic hare
Makes sense
thorny pond
Probably swap back tonight for painsmith
thorny pond
Yea I swap them back and forth a bit. But I try to do it only on Sun/Mon for raid days and just keep it sub Tues - Sat for keys
arctic hare
oh yeah, you just reminded me, I need to get my 14 done today
thorny pond
Do that big sack 15 you got this
thorny pond
US/EU, Horde or Ally?
thorny pond
you can come get a key with me rq
arctic hare
Lol, are you nuts?
thorny pond
Nah
arctic hare
I mean, I ain't complainin, but why?
thorny pond
There's no worse feeling than ripping a 249 phial or dagger that could've been a 252
arctic hare
So uh
what if I only have a 220 dagger both hands LOL
The names Tremonra, Tremonra Sargeras
static shore
guys what legendary do u recomend for 262 ubgrade ?
arctic hare
I realllllllly sucked at it lol
keen gyro
guys what legendary do u recomend for 262 ubgrade ?
depends on your cov, shards, setbonus ect. as far as i know
mystic fractal
Combat daggers way back in MC, yeesh talk about watching paint dry. To 14 year old me though the raid atmosphere was electric
arctic hare
Lol
I started in wrath and didn't start truly raiding till about legion, but got AOTC during Nyalotha days
viscid spear
Guild leader brings me to Monday M+ runs so his wife can get a 13 for the Vault. She heals in raid but can't really take pressure when she's the only healer so we never time it, it's just a completion key 20-30 minutes overtimed.
Then I do a PF+17 with other guildies and we screw around the entire time and the tank is a guldie on a 226 bear and we miss timing it by ~30sec.
The duality of guilds, man.
lavish lichen
The non hardcore guilds always have a lot of variance with individual player skill
slim wagon
depends what you refer to as hardcore, I dont like that word as it is subjective often
any mythic raider should be able to handle +15 pugs
viscid spear
I have a horrible M+ score
mystic fractal
Man my new alt is in low IO hell, I did some +7/+10 pugs last night, it is a really rough scene down there
viscid spear
We weren't even taking the PF+17 seriously, we wiped to a bad pull before Domina where stealthings got off and bounced on our heads, if not for that we would've timed it I'm sure.
The druid tank was shocked we did so well bc he thought he was going to hold us back at his ilvl
On the flip side of that I do a DoS+13 and the GL dies to the knockback from the big caster adds in the center ring a couple times.
And his wife dies three times to the wall money shots in the Broker section's initial hallway
viscid spear
It causes me physical pain to see it, same shit different dungeon. Usually the GL comes on his hunter alt and we grab the Druid tank I mentioned before and one of the melee from our Sunday alt raid.
Pain
It's not my personal blog so I'll come off it
spice spire
alpine latch
I have a horrible M+ score
Don't worry about your m+ score. Get the items you need, boost them to whatever you can, and do something you enjoy.
sudden hound
Man my new alt is in low IO hell, I did some +7/+10 pugs last night, it is a rea...
Everyone complains about the renown and leggo grinds (and they are bad) but the low m+ scene is THE WORST for getting alts caught up
spice spire
Honestly m+ score is whatever. You’ll get to 2k accidentally one day and be like holy moly ez
spice spire
Everyone complains about the renown and leggo grinds (and they are bad) but the ...
Agreed
lavish lichen
Mehh my rogue is 231 after 2 weeks of mostly pugging
If you have no score on main it’s a pain for sure
karmic crystal
Because it’s so impossible to get groups together and actually complete a key without m+ score, I actually paid for a 15 plaguefall boost and the booster gave me my gold back after because he said I didn’t need it
viscid spear
The Renown grind isn't so bad outside of having to drudge through the Covenant Campaign that you can probably recite all the dialogue from.
The Leggo grind can be fun if you enjoy Torghast
lavish lichen
Does anyone enjoy torghast
sudden hound
Nah man I'm gearing my mage and torgy on a mage is just pure pain imo
mystic fractal
I enjoy it for no reason other than I can just decide to go do it and start doing it
alpine latch
Everyone complains about the renown and leggo grinds (and they are bad) but the ...
Makes sense, as the current m+ system is arguably the worst thing ever added to the game.
mystic fractal
Playing football manager sim 2021 in group finder is not pleasant
spice spire
I’d argue against that, I feel m+ has challenging and rewarding gameplay
sudden hound
^^
alpine latch
The concept m+ is great. It being THE defacto gearing system in WoW is not.
karmic crystal
It lacks the cool rewards of challenge modes
viscid spear
I do on my DK, it's fun turning yourself into a bomb with Fleshcraft or stacking all the Death Grip powers to cause you to pull yourself to the target and stun them while spawning a skelly
lavish lichen
I think it’s well established that Palmer hates m+ and anything related to it 
alpine latch
M+ as an advanced Challenge Mode would have been great. Now, it's just another RNG grind with a bonus RNG slot machine on Tuesday.
viscid spear
I just feel like garbage trying to do Torg on rogue
lavish lichen
I group most of the time
subtle tundra
i simply dont care about the gearing system and just enjoy the content as is
i like m+, idc about the rewards
karmic crystal
I presume, with the rating system, there will be some sort of reward structure implemented similar to pvp
Recolours and enchants or whatever
spice spire
The concept m+ is great. It being THE defacto gearing system in WoW is not.
Also think you can get by without doing it and using it as a supplementary hearing system contrary to the primary one. Like if I did 2-4 a week I’d be fine there
karmic crystal
But for the life of me I don’t know why there isn’t just a queue system for both pvp and m+ based on your rating
lavish lichen
Like 1-2000 means nothing
subtle tundra
i think its better it's not exponential, score number wont go crazy again
10k rio wow
lavish lichen
No on has ever been that high lol
Its also dumb that it’s really easy to gain score but miss time on a higher key
Was possible before too but not as easy
alpine latch
Also think you can get by without doing it and using it as a supplementary heari...
All m+ needs to do is add a way to buy/upgrade your gear with Valor and it would be an exponentially better system. Remove the bullshit, and make it actually feel good to run.
arctic hare
Holy friggin CHRIST that was friggin nuts
spice spire
All m+ needs to do is add a way to buy/upgrade your gear with Valor and it would...
They could be leading to that - I actually don’t mind the current system but agree it could be tweaked further. I know in bfa you could buy one of three pieces and it worked pretty well. But yeah - not perfect by any means
gusty mirage
Ah yes the m+ vendor we asked for and never got
alpine latch
Yeah. My issue with m+ isn't m+ itself, it's the reward structure. Similar to Torghast ... I'm tired of shit being added that I HAVE to do.
There's nothing in WoW that I get to do. There's things I'm forced to do.
hollow river
O.o
lavish lichen
Yea forced to play wow
gusty mirage
You’re not enjoying the middle tier Chorthia grind?
hollow river
There's nothing in WoW that I get to do. There's things I'm forced to do.
I skip torgie and m+ some weeks and I’m a mythic raider.
real bay
m+ should have a vendor similiar as in argus , you pick random slot item like trinket and get arcano
alpine latch
Yup, because you grinded it out early.
hollow river
Not optimal, sure
fallen arch
There's nothing in WoW that I get to do. There's things I'm forced to do.
There’s a ton of p good raiders that don’t do any m+
In my guild
gusty mirage
m+ should have a vendor similiar as in argus , you pick random slot item like tr...
You had me until the end. Never got an arcano 
fallen arch
It’s not something you have to do
real bay
lmao
alpine latch
There’s a ton of p good raiders that don’t do any m+
PvP is the only safe spot, but they should still be doing Torghast and raid for their legendaries and Dom sockets
fallen arch
If you donzmt want
hollow river
I’m like 1400 io
ionic vault
I’ve done 10+ 15s every week and never got a dagger drop ^^
hollow river
fallen arch
Torghast is stupid, I agree. i don’t agree with you having to so m+ to do well
ionic vault
Meanwhile my friends alt got 2x 252 daggers
gusty mirage
I’ve done 10+ 15s every week and never got a dagger drop ^^
Hello fellow cultured rogue, may I show you my collection of 252 rings?
alpine latch
I definitely did not LOL promise
I skip m+ regularly. I juts don't care to re-farm it. Torghast I've been doing every Tuesday just to get it done because I want to get a r6 DS
gusty mirage
I have like 14 rings in my bags 
hollow river
I have like 14 rings in my bags <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
May I show you my missing dom socket chest?
Or my 239 dagger
gusty mirage
May I show you my missing dom socket chest?
Dw bb bring me to heroic I’ll trade you it
ionic vault
Makes me believe there might be a settings I disabled for weapon drops
alpine latch
I'm missing helm and chest, and my OH is a 232 😢
hollow river
Or my 226 shit crying in my gear sets
subtle tundra
I skip m+ regularly. I juts don't care to re-farm it. Torghast I've been doing e...
you seem to complain about everything in this game, just to complain
hollow river
I skip m+ regularly. I juts don't care to re-farm it. Torghast I've been doing e...
I have enough for r6 DS this week
Finally
fallen arch
I have like 14 rings in my bags <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
Same, where 252 daggie
alpine latch
I have enough for r6 DS this week
Jeez dude... lol
subtle tundra
blizz should just add 252 gear vendors so you dont have to play to game ngl
gusty mirage
Same, where 252 daggie
We running around like Tom Brady with no daggies 
hollow river
Jeez dude... lol
And I skipped 3 weeks until this past week
hollow river
blizz should just add 252 gear vendors so you dont have to play to game ngl
Just buy CE it’s only $800
In wow tokens
fallen arch
We running around like Tom Brady with no daggies <:YEP:690109647021015060>
But this week its gonna happen. Hc sylv daggie tonight, 252 thorn in vault
I feel it
gusty mirage
blizz should just add 252 gear vendors so you dont have to play to game ngl
Now this is an idea I can get behind
subtle tundra
"oh i have to play the game uh oh so bad game design"
subtle tundra
get out of here
spice spire
blizz should just add 252 gear vendors so you dont have to play to game ngl
Constructive complains are valid. I mean running 30 times in one dungeon for a trinket is kinda shit ngl - but this whole spheal is kinda inflammatory
rocky pecan
Woah
shadow tusk
"oh i have to play the game uh oh so bad game design"
What a dumb argument
lavish lichen
30 runs is shit?
gusty mirage
Constructive complains are valid. I mean running 30 times in one dungeon for a t...
Just loot the phial 4head
spice spire
True :/
ionic vault
get out of here
You probly have 252 weapons do you?
rocky pecan
I dropped on second run ngl
lavish lichen
I don’t think 30 dungeons is a whole lot for the literally best trinket
gusty mirage
It took me a grand total of 23 runs. Got lucky this season
subtle tundra
You probly have 252 weapons do you?
yes, why does that matter?
hollow river
I don’t think 30 dungeons is a whole lot for the literally best trinket
For 100-200 dps it is
ionic vault
yes, why does that matter?
You don’t understand the frustration of not getting weapons ever
lavish lichen
Then don’t get it? LOL
subtle tundra
You don’t understand the frustration of not getting weapons ever
i upgraded to 246 before i got from vault
lavish lichen
So you want the best trinket but want to get it easily
Just 1 PF should give you 2 pox and 1 phial
hollow river
Nah would love to buy it from farming ANY 30 dungeons
subtle tundra
i dont have sylv daggers, 3 weeks in a row i was 1k dps behind the other rogue in my guild cause no shards, way worse loot rng, yet i ca n still enjoy the game
lavish lichen
Ez
subtle tundra
im still 600 dps behind him having done the same content as him
alpine latch
So you want the best trinket but want to get it easily
That's not what I'm asking for, personally. I don't mind putting in the work to grind something even if I hate it. What I don't like, however, is the pure RNG aspect. There's a reason many games are trying to move to a currency-based system to protect from just shitty RNG.
hollow river
Sounds like a skill issue
gusty mirage
They should just bring back the bonus rolls tbh
lavish lichen
Objectively better system I agree @hollow river
ionic vault
i upgraded to 246 before i got from vault
Shards are 100% drop from sylvanas. What rng?
hollow river
Loot more gooder
subtle tundra
Shards are 100% drop from sylvanas. What rng?
yes in first week
lavish lichen
But there still NEEDs to be a GRIND to get the best gear imo
subtle tundra
ok bro start talking about stuff you know
ionic vault
im still 600 dps behind him having done the same content as him
You’d be miles behind with no 252 daggers from vault like most of us
alpine latch
I'm not saying I should run a dungeon 1 time and get every item I need from it. I'm saying that I should be rewarded for my time and my reward shouldn't be based on whether or not a hidden dice roll went well for me.
subtle tundra
You’d be miles behind with no 252 daggers from vault like most of us
that guy got 252 daggers first vault
had unholy set 2nd week
gusty mirage
that guy got 252 daggers first vault
Did you spit on him for us? Because you should have
ionic vault
that guy got 252 daggers first vault
W/e just don’t pretend peoples frustration for not having 252 daggers in vault is irrelevant
real bay
vault is garbage, game would be better off with bonus rolls
gusty mirage
Well valor cap for one
real bay
just delete it
subtle tundra
how's the vault bad lmao
alpine latch
they could have 246 though
Feel free to run with me and trade me the dagger... Because it's not dropping for me.
ionic vault
why dont they
Idk, I upgraded phial and a sword and a dagger. Can’t upgrade oh dagger now because of season cap
hollow river
how's the vault bad lmao
Last season was 9 months long and I NEVER got a 226 dagger from m+ vault
shadow tusk
Delete m+ all together 
alpine latch
how's the vault bad lmao
The vault is better than the BFA chest. But that doesn't mean it's good.
real bay
they removed bonus rolls and instead gave us shitty vault where you cannot target what gear you want
lavish lichen
Yea how many weeks did you only do 1 box
real bay
bonus rolling boss X was better than praying vault
hollow river
Why I cba this season some weeks
real bay
obv blizz doesnt agree
lavish lichen
This vault is objectively better than the BFA chest
clever kindle
Remove the vault and keep bonus rolls gone, should be like TBC where you just go the entire patch or expansion and literally just never get that item you wanted
alpine latch
We don't need the vault. Remove the vault and allow us to buy items with Valor.
clever kindle
Then you'll know what real RNG is
alpine latch
The system literally already existed and was fine
terse talon
The loot in vault should be visible and then you can decide to farm the 10x dungeons or not
visible in advance*
subtle tundra
thats such shitness
alpine latch
Games don't have to be RNG-based to be rewarding and fun
clever kindle
well wow is and has always been
verbal mantle
hollow river
well wow is and has always been
Used to be a vendor I thought
cobalt pelican
ah another palmer rant about how he only has 1.3 hours a week to play but wants everything
classic
clever kindle
No? You bought shit dungeon gear at vendors in tbc if you're referring to my last comment
karmic crystal
No warglaive of azzinoth vendor 
clever kindle
But you could have spent literally the entire expansion trying to get certain items to have them never drop once
no vault
no bonus roll
no split runs
alpine latch
ah another palmer rant about how he only has 1.3 hours a week to play but wants ...
Literally never said this. You either can't read or choose to be willfully ignorant.
clever kindle
I think people just get more annoyed now because we all have the expectation to get bis
alpine latch
I have always said that RNG-based design is bad design. I've said this since 1993 when I started playing MUDs online.
lavish lichen
Most of the shitty lucky with RNG is based around not having a guild/group imo
alpine latch
I have said that I'll put in 100-hours if I need to, but give me some sort of path to achieve my goal. Don't leave it up to chance.
lavish lichen
I don’t think anyone disagrees palmer
Think we are just missing understanding each other
I think RNG should still be in the game
If you have a system like yoh are saying
Then its like the safety net
alpine latch
Exactly
real bay
less rng wouldnt be bad, like give me a fucking cache of PF
alpine latch
Having a safety net currency to protect from bad luck is already in the game in both the Valor and Great Vault. That's literally what it is... You mention expanding it and people freak out.
verbal mantle
I think we understood now though
clever kindle
I mean your safety net here is being able to level up an item to 246 or whatever 12/12 is, having something be marginally off max ilvl is way better then being stuck with a heroic ilvl piece
alpine latch
Sure - I'm not asking for it to be 252 item level
IDC if I can "buy" a m0 item and then have to grind my ass off to upgrade it from there
Give me a way to buy it after I've put in the time to farm it and never got it
I'll put in the work to get it
Just like I grind out my PvP mount and I don't enjoy PvP, I grind out KSM even though I mostly wind up pugging it, and I grind out AotC with pugs before my guild even gets it
cobalt pelican
the issue is your idea of 'put the time in to farm it' is literally nothing
verbal mantle
clever kindle
Thats just never going to be the way in wow for loot drops, you're trying to change a 15 year old formula
cobalt pelican
the only people that really get shafted by the current system are people who need ruby because the loot pool is like
twice as big as every other dungeon
for no reason
kind quiver
After ten runs I can buy the Shadowgrasp Totem with valor and upgrade it for example?
alpine latch
I think after you run a dungeon 10-15 times, you should have a currency from that run to be able to purchase a single item.
clever kindle
If it comes down to just grinding then its the people with the most time that come out on top
alpine latch
I really, really don't see where the issue is
Run 10 times on +10 or higher, be able to buy that item at a lower item level than +10 would drop
Maybe you can only buy to a +5
whole pilot
That sounds awful
kind quiver
Like, ten runs of DOS and not just random ones.
alpine latch
Like, ten runs of DOS and not just random ones.
Correct
clever kindle
that is literally the current m+ drop system go run 15 level 8 plaguefalls and level up your phial it is that easy
warm parcel
Yall tangenting bout it for a good while
real bay
you're not guaranteed to get a phial even if you run 50 pfs
cold rampart
flag on cd?
gusty mirage
flag on cd?
Yeah but only if your next global is a finisher
If you’re low oncp build some and then flag into the finisher
alpine latch
Typically speaking you only hold to align if you know you're not going to miss another cast
Which is usually done at the end of the fight
cold rampart
so i hold if the target will live long
alpine latch
No
Well, wait
You mean hold if the target will live long enough to sync but die before it comes up?
If so - yes.
If you're not going to miss a cast (IE, you can wait 20s and the boss will die in less than a minute), then it's safe to hold.
but if you're at 65%, you use it on CD
hasty siren
Does the extra bleed with doomblade bleed just show up as extra mut dmg on sims?
whole pilot
It is its own dot is it not
karmic crystal
I think it shows up as mutilate dot damage
alpine latch
It is, can't find the name of it though. (I asked about it last week)
night leaf
alpine latch
That's it
karmic crystal
alpine latch
Just found it in search from last week, but yeah. DB shows up as Mutilated Flesh in the logs
karmic crystal
The thing above ambush
alpine latch
Oh, yeah that's my bad! I didn't see the "on sims" part. I thought you were looking at logs.
ashen fulcrum
!sims
prisma monolithBOT
Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
weak crescent
hello! i was wondering would rank 4 frost set be an improvement over rank 4 unholy set for me rn with 35% crit 242 ilvl necro with no dashing
weak crescent
i dont rly know how to use raid bots to try out frost set when i dont have it
but i will probably just go for it after the reset anyway
agile geode
Y r4 Is good r5 would be more than great
Frost set i mean
But u have to catch crit gear
weak crescent
yeahh i m on that grind rn :D
alpine latch
i dont rly know how to use raid bots to try out frost set when i dont have it
Check the button that says to replace your gems/enchants, then down below select the gems. It'll automatically sim them in your gear and tell you what's the best to use for your gear.
timid talon
anyone else know true pain
oak sky
Do mission table or something you can get it 
spice spire
Uh fuck
kind talon
!defensive
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz
kind talon
frigid kestrel
Ok so mythic eye …..
Dashing - Blindside/Deeper
Or
Dashing - Ep/Vigor
obtuse robin
either is fine
spice spire
It’s pure preference
frigid kestrel
I think imma start with Blindeside and if it don’t Feel good I’ll swap to EP
timid talon
How did you get 49 though <a:Thinkge:857927331967926272>
odd combos from the mission table
spice spire
thorny pond
Anyone else just over assaults at this point
kind talon
Yeah I haven’t done them in a few weeks laddie
I skipped torghast last week too don’t tell anyone
zealous talon
Hello! Can doomblade+holy compete with dashing+frost?
ashen fulcrum
Venomous Wounds gives energy on only rupture and garrote ticks right not just any bleed?
viscid spear
Venomous Wounds gives energy on only rupture and garrote ticks right not just an...
Yes, only those two.
Plus the big energy gain from a target with Rupture dying.
ashen fulcrum
ok cool ty
spice spire
Hello! Can doomblade+holy compete with dashing+frost?
At lower gear sure, I’d recommend simming it. At the top end frost+dashing firmly ahead when I sim myself
ashen fulcrum
when we talk about high crit is that like 800+ or like 1000+ crit?
zealous talon
At lower gear sure, I’d recommend simming it. At the top end frost+dashing firml...
What about doomblade+frost vs dashing+frost at top end?
ashen fulcrum
p sure frost will beat unholy it'll just do a bit less than with dashing
I've been using frost with obedience because I dont have dashing until next week and it's like 11% of my damage
spice spire
Not even 800 crit honestly
spice spire
What about doomblade+frost vs dashing+frost at top end?
Iirc dashing pulls ahead quite a bit
spice spire
I'm at 799 crit 745 haste right now
I changed a ring and r4 frost +dashing > r4 unholy + 262 db
And I’m at like 559
ashen fulcrum
oh wow
was even considering swapping a ring depending on my box on tues which would put me at like 880 crit 670ish haste
is that too much?
rank 4 is foreboding right?
looked it up it is
nvm
zealous talon
And what about m+? Ive seen many rogues using doomblade
Is dashing competitive on m+?
ashen fulcrum
obedience is where it's at for m+ imo I like it quite a bit
doomblade is hard cuz you dont mut much in aoe
indigo flicker
Obedience gives alot of burst windows, esp for tormentors
ashen fulcrum
I love the CDR for obedience I'm gonna miss it
will still use it for M+ probably tho
indigo flicker
Its still really good if you can time your burst windows on encounters in soD
tawny barn
what about dashing for necro lord with vigor and ep
indigo flicker
Good look at infexious stream, he plays it
ashen fulcrum
the big thing about dashing I think is its synergy with the frost set which isn't applicable in M+
zealous talon
Do you use frost or unholy shards for obedience in SoD?
ashen fulcrum
I've only ever used frost tbh
half tartan
Am crafting a 262 leggo tomorrow. For purely raiding likely sylvanas prog and maybe other bosses where our value will be strong boss damage, would you guys go with doomblade frost set, doomblade unholy set, or dashing scoundrel frost. Currently have 37 percent crit, have 5-6 slots that I likely can fill with more crit in the next few weeks. My next 262 will probably be for outlaw. Am Venthyr. Want to be as versatile as possible for sin raiding.
ashen fulcrum
so idk
tawny barn
with vigor u do more envenoms so more benefit from dashing legos
indigo flicker
Do you use frost or unholy shards for obedience in SoD?
Unholy
kind talon
Am crafting a 262 leggo tomorrow. For purely raiding likely sylvanas prog and ma...
are you necro
oh nvm
dashing frost
digital zodiac
currently have unholy r4...
The other day frost rank 4+dashing simmed 200 DPS more.
Now with 43% crit im gear comparing Dashing+Frost again and it says I will lose 500 DPS?
kind talon
ur doing something wrong in the sim
ashen fulcrum
I had my lego at the wrong ilvl this morning when I was simming
kind talon
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s1spES6499oBEcrE9LhoJp
u have like
2 of the same gem socketed
which is fucking w it i assume
sec
digital zodiac
hahahha fuck sake
kind talon
i gotchu bruv
digital zodiac
Wait do i?
digital zodiac
dark token
Don't use gear compare but top gear, better for combination sims
kind talon
@digital zodiac
digital zodiac
Stormscale
digital zodiac
Don't use gear compare but top gear, better for combination sims
gah i heard the opposite rofl
lavish lichen
Top gear sims 1 individual piece not a set
digital zodiac
how come you can create a set?
dark token
Yes but it sims every combination of individual pieces
dark token
Including this set
kind talon
digital zodiac
ooof
kind talon
ill fix it
lavish lichen
It goes and changes 1 piece at a time
dark token
It doesn’t change 2-3 pieces at one time
It does every combination so yes it does
kind talon
top gear does, gear compare doesnt
lavish lichen
Right yea I’m confused
lavish lichen
You’re right srry
digital zodiac
Ahhh love it
lavish lichen
Dumb momment
digital zodiac
thanks mate
dark token
If you have 3 pieces you want to change, it will sim this
1 0 0
0 1 0
1 1 0
0 0 1
1 0 1
0 1 1
1 1 1
lavish lichen
I thought they were adding pieces they didn’t bave
dark token
1 being, equip a piece
lavish lichen
Which is what you use gear compare for if you want to sim a set
dark token
I just add pieces I don't have into top gear by id
digital zodiac
dom shards are aids to sim, completely forgot it would count them on aother pieces of gear
kind talon
Not really, just requires you to use brain
Kekw
Although that’s quite hard for me sometimes
digital zodiac
whats a brain
spice spire
viscid spear
WTB better trinkets
cerulean nest
so with EP, that damage buff affects all dots out right, not just on the target that you envenomed?
like if I have five guys dotted up, it affects everything?
fallen arch
Am crafting a 262 leggo tomorrow. For purely raiding likely sylvanas prog and ma...
If you’re venthyr, frost dashing is the go to
For optimal deeps prob
toxic badge
Guys, with stats like this, its not better to get more haste ?
I mean I have fingers to get more haste
arctic hare
I mean, you could focus on getting crit haste to replace mastery pieces
That might be useful, but still, Decaf said the law
plain thistle
Guys, with stats like this, its not better to get more haste ?
not enough crit 
you need
more
drowsy parcel
kind talon
TRUE
thorny pond
60% crit or bust
But you have what you have, not like asking her is gone replace sims. If they tell you to swap gems then swap
burnt star
Since ur at 44% crit. I wouldnt chase any stat in particular.
Just sim piece and pick those that are good upgrade
U could do a dropoptimiser from heroic and mythic raid. U will see what item/stat are good for u
toxic badge
Ok ok, thank you guys
shut flame
https://tenor.com/view/law-of-attraction-brain-power-mind-euphoria-gif-16710651
I dont have brain ((
half tartan
We have so much in common are you single
strange silo
what are u guys playing double sinful rev or sinful rev and celestial guidance? sims say double sinful is +4 dps but meh not worth it i guess
alpine latch
I do sin/cel
And 4 DPS is usually within the margin of error
So do whatever, really
hollow river
60% crit or bust
Yep lemme just go farm some crit/crit pieces rq
dark token
Lol sims are so weird with domination sockets
My single target wants big crit pieces but dungeonslice wants haste/vers instead of crit or mastery 
tribal marlin
you have more than 40% right ?
Crit needs to have significatively higher value than other stat for it to remains your best stat past 40%
oak sky
Haste is pretty good in dungeons anyway
thorny pond
Yep lemme just go farm some crit/crit pieces rq
That’s your perogative
winged basin
Can you see how many times you actually got hit by the AOE of darkness on sylvanas and not the dot?
winged basin
raid lead told me I got hit by darkness 2 times every p2
thorny pond
Tell him to fuck off
winged basin
but I know I didn’t get hit that much
hollow river
Does he know the difference in it spreading?
winged basin
I have 3 guild apps in rn, it’s just silly. I know I’m not playing the fight super clean and I wanna get better but I got like 5 people on my dick about it so I have to get better or get sat
hollow river
Also it seems wonky as hell imo I’ve been hit when I wasn’t in the explosion
thorny pond
Server lag can cause it
hollow river
Unless it’s server lag/ping or some weird shit
wintry mica
link a log
there is a way to look at just applications of veil
the damage it deals when applied is a seperate spell Id from the debuff that spreads
thorny pond
Server was lagging fierce last night
We skipped a few orb sets on nerzhul and soul tender just straight up didn’t do some mechanics
hollow river
Dude my new guild said they basically skipped a piece of remnants armor when they got the kill
Because it was bugging
Sylv lag is on another level
winged basin
thorny pond
We got double orbs one pull them the next we got no suffering
winged basin
This is a disgusting prog log so ignore my guild and demolish me
hollow river
Honestly this raid is so weird with all the bugs
I mean I only played nathria late into the tier especially mythic as I just started playing wow
wintry mica
looks like you got hit 8 times by veil in P2 across 16 wipes
hollow river
But last tier the only lag I noticed was Sire p1 adds
When a lot of people were raiding
Like prime time hours etc
wintry mica
with 2 druids and 2 shams yall really shouldnt be getting that many p2 veils
have a speed up for each one
thorny pond
Yea seems sketchy it honestly felt bad getting our rekills with bugs
hollow river
Why does everyone do that
thorny pond
Your raid lead said you got hit 2/pull
hollow river
Movement speed for bridge but not veil
wintry mica
they also got hit some in p3 but you cant really hold that against people
hollow river
So dumb
wintry mica
unless they are consistently cleaving with bad positioning since you cant avoid all p3 veils
thorny pond
Movement speed for bridge but not veil
Because they are edgy
hollow river
Dumb
thorny pond
I don’t make them do that. Send a DH ahead
hollow river
Just let a monk or DH go interrupt
thorny pond
There’s your strat
spice spire
Only speed you need is the final kick
hollow river
5 head
winged basin
wintry mica
yea the last one is the only one that should be close
wintry mica
otherwise yall need to like figure out what CDs to move around if you arent killing adds fast enough to get the kicks
winged basin
I don’t think we were using speeds cause we were “baiting” the darkness
spice spire
And final one is purely timing too / so even then may not be necessary. Seems like it should be more coordinated 
winged basin
Idk, I think I’m just a shitter 
thorny pond
There’s always a place for melee to go by the chains if your raid isn’t a bunch of dingbats
winged basin
need to do more better
wintry mica
we bait the darkness and still use speed ups for it every veil that hits in p2 is like 300k extra healing needed
thorny pond
You can save sprint for that as well if you aren’t getting raiders speed
wintry mica
the thing that always gets me is all the people using speed ups on the first platform
thorny pond
Lol
wintry mica
like you can just slowly walk and dodge all the waves and make it in time to not miss anything
will say I fucking hate that fight though
no 10 minute+ fight will ever be fun to prog on
thorny pond
I always joke about the first bridge then I do a pug and always people dying
wintry mica
I made the mistake of panic shadowstepping to sylv to dodge a wave
but she was still floating off to the side so i just died
hollow river
like you can just slowly walk and dodge all the waves and make it in time to not...
Fucking can’t stand this
thorny pond
I made the mistake of panic shadowstepping to sylv to dodge a wave
Nothing personal kid
hollow river
Big reason I’m trialing with another guild again
wintry mica
yea its extra stupid because even on heroic getting hit by one wave does hardly any damage
hollow river
Guild I was raiding with just doesn’t listen to strats I try to bring up
They keep doing the same shit and failing
Can’t do it anymore :/
wintry mica
yea thats why like half of our raid team quit last tier and made their own guild
old RL would choose the stupidest people to do important mechanics and wouldnt change it to someone who actually knows what to do lol
winged basin
My RL gonna watch me pug sylvanas tonight to coach me cause if I don’t get better they sitting me
One bad night on sylvanas and my raid position threatened 
spice spire
Bad guild then
mossy crown
has something changed? I seem to simming 300 dps lower than I was yesterday
wintry mica
I mean looking at the 2 close pulls yall had
one you did really well, one you did pretty bad
winged basin
spice spire
Yeah but for like heroic sylvanas one bad night being a bench is pretty 
thorny pond
One bad night on sylvanas and my raid position threatened <a:PepeRain:4888498476...
If your prog guild is threatening you when nobody has killed it, that’s toxic
fervent rune
Well we have been pulling H Sylv for last few weeks and I’m usually top 3 dmg. My internet went down for 20 minutes and they downed her on that pull
wintry mica
eh, heroic sylv is like a mythic boss in difficulty
fervent rune
Fml
winged basin
It’s just unluggy all other bosses I’ve been okay on, I start bitching about us needing to do sylv we prog ot one night and don’t kill and cause I did bad :\
Well a group of officers got aotc
wintry mica
one person doing bad is not why yall wiped
winged basin
They all got together and pugged
wintry mica
are yall like purposely saccing people with arrows or some shit lol
winged basin
one person doing bad is not why yall wiped
I said that and he said I need to watch my own gameplay and take personal accountability
fallen arch
They all got together and pugged
Textbook toxic
That’s such a bad signal to your guild
wintry mica
maybe they should talk to these people that fucked up the arrows and caused three deaths
hollow river
That’s toxic?
thorny pond
I said that and he said I need to watch my own gameplay and take personal accoun...
Lol sounds like my last guild who bought pvp glad carries, did no keys or helped people do keys then got mad when people weren’t geared
winged basin
He just told me I got hit more then 8 times by darkness and will PM me
hollow river
Lol sounds like my last guild who bought pvp glad carries, did no keys or helped...
LOL
fallen arch
That’s toxic?
Something like that gives a clear signal to the rest of the raid team
wintry mica
if hes blaming you for getting veils during p3 then hes just a dumbass cause its undodgeable
winged basin
hollow river
Something like that gives a clear signal to the rest of the raid team
What is the signal
“We don’t care about you prog lol git gud” vibes?
fallen arch
‘We’ll get it cos for the foreseeable future it’s not gonna happen with you guys’
wintry mica
you must have taken a double at some point, cause it has you at 8 in p2 and 8 in p3 if you split it out
hollow river
Well like
fallen arch
Of as an officer u think you’re better than the rest just leave
hollow river
I think that depends heavily on what type of guild you’re in
My old GM would pug way passed guild prog
But it was barely an aotc guild, when I was first starting out in wow
But he was always super cool and patient with everyone
lavish lichen
Tbh as an officer you have to be pretty good imo at least
thorny pond
An entire officer core pugging or buying content ahead of the team is a bad look
lavish lichen
Maybe not better than everyone sure
thorny pond
It’s clique and toxic
wintry mica
thats basically every guild though
thorny pond
Eh
hollow river
Yeah
lavish lichen
I mean therr are groups that do content outside of raid sure
thorny pond
My guild has an officer core and they meet a lot but they play with raiders and trials and are fair
fallen arch
I hate cliques
Thats what something like that creates
hollow river
Every guild I’ve been in
fallen arch
‘Us v them’
lavish lichen
But a clique a bit different imo
thorny pond
They do play together but it’s not like there’s inside jokes only they get
wintry mica
yea I mean my guild is very much all the officers know each other and have played together for multiple expacks, but we make an effort to get everyone else in and not just like run m+ with only the officers and shit
winged basin
He told me that those hits were overall over the 16 wipes
viscid spear
Did our guild's alt raid last night on my Priest.
Got the mega-jump and 90% AoE reduction on Tarragrue so I got the achievement
hollow river
Officers are closer with each other than anyone else usually
viscid spear
thorny pond
He told me that those hits were overall over the 16 wipes
Lol dude let us help you find a guild
viscid spear
BUTTONS
wintry mica
whos the guy telling you all these issues I bet I can find a bunch of examples of them fucking up in that log
thorny pond
Yes let us tear him a new one
hollow river
Oof
viscid spear
wintry mica
lol
winged basin
They kept giving me shit all night saying about us only doing Sylv cause me and not being in mythic cause me and my 200 dps increase
lavish lichen
Yea my old GM was amazing honestly
viscid spear
In the Discord part of the Discord
Let's jack him up
lavish lichen
He had meetings with every trial every week
wintry mica
I mean if you arent the RL it aint your decision what bosses you are pulling
hollow river
They kept giving me shit all night saying about us only doing Sylv cause me and ...
If they can’t get aotc they can’t get CE
timid cloud
People don’t have AOTC? Tier is over...
winged basin
I mean if you arent the RL it aint your decision what bosses you are pulling
I mean, tonight was the first night we did Sylvanas.
timid cloud
winged basin
last night I mean.
hollow river
Is it not weird this many guilds are skipping H sylv?
winged basin
We skipped heroic sylvanas and that was the first night we tried it, didn’t get the kill so he said we aren’t doing it again
wintry mica
most 2-3/10M guilds still dont have aotc
hollow river
Wow
obtuse robin
yikes
winged basin
winged basin
We don’t have hunters
thorny pond
Or warriors or DKs
winged basin
2 rogues tho
timid cloud
You’re better off putting it then I guess. It’s also common because even it’s a simple fight, people don’t like it because it’s like 15m long.
wintry mica
old warrior soul is busted
timid cloud
Yeah. I like cuckolding my rogues damage by like 10% too without daggers.
hollow river
Idk about other classes
timid cloud
Pug it. You need the daggers.
thorny pond
I guess it’s time to get a new guild
wintry mica
i mean daggers arent that big of an upgrade for sin
unless you have shit luck with weapons like me
thorny pond
If you pug it and get the daggers they don’t deserve you
hollow river
246 daggers still good
timid cloud
I’m exaggerating but it’s still huge.
winged basin
I tried for a whole day and couldn’t get in a group tf you mean it ain’t hard to pug
fervent rune
Daggers chest and ring are all nice
wintry mica
yea good luck pugging it without already having aotc at this point
hollow river
I almost pugged it
timid cloud
I mean even if it’s a struggle it’s worth it.
winged basin
I’m 243 with a 85avg and couldn’t pug it
hollow river
Before guild lol
thorny pond
Because you don’t have aotc
winged basin
My parses ain’t even bad
thorny pond
Hard to get in without it
winged basin
No aotc means no invite
lavish lichen
Find another guild
wintry mica
unlocks heroic dagger for vaults
lavish lichen
Ez
wintry mica
yea but how long ago was that
hollow river
Not very long ago
winged basin
300k for aotc right now
Bout to be my only choice, wow token for aotc
hollow river
Oof
lavish lichen
You can’t go to another guild?
Seems like you dislike the one your in too
2 birds with 1 stone
wintry mica
i mean if you dont think you will kill it for a while, i dont think its that bad of an idea to open it up from heroic vault options
timid cloud
It’s Monday, you’d still lose a reset & you’d be out on that too.
I think it’s worth it to get the daggers that you need.
Unless you’re killing Remnant tonight.
winged basin
I like some of the people in my guild, I submit some apps today but :/
No way I’m 4/10 tonight
timid cloud
Throw up a wowprog flag too.
winged basin
Took us 1.5 hrs to do our 3 boss reclear to even prog remnant
timid cloud
Yeah. Then I’d say buy it, or wait for vault for 252 M+ daggy, or just upgrade a dagger.
hollow river
I like some of the people in my guild, I submit some apps today but :/
I know this feeling, just bTag them the real ones will still play with u
winged basin
They don’t run keys with me anyways lmao most of my shit pugged, I can’t even get aotc til reset
alpine latch
I pugged AotC, but honestly I just love to raid even if it's progression.
wintry mica
I love to raid, despise pugging
timid cloud
Hmm...
alpine latch
I even pugged AotC when I was an officer - but I never put other people down for not having it.
warm saffron
Just make your own group
alpine latch
AotC isn't a weapon
hollow river
I despise Pugging without discord
alpine latch
It's just a boring title
hollow river
It gets u into kills tho
wintry mica
its a tool for getting into other pugs
alpine latch
I mean, I have AotC and I don't get into other groups
I only pug after raid, and we raid Friday nights
wintry mica
yea but if you dont have aotc you basically never get in a group
alpine latch
So I don't even go until Saturday and by then the one-shot groups already have it
wintry mica
yea if you want to pug you probably gotta go for reset day
alpine latch
Most of my pugs are spent with people 7/10 and 8/10
hollow river
I joined a one shot group Sunday
wintry mica
just need to make a pug with like 15 rogues from the disc then at least someone will get daggers
alpine latch
I had a good one-shot community on Alliance side. But I haven't found one on Horde yet
hollow river
My fav are the 5/10m+ alt raids
That’s what the Sunday pug one shot was
wintry mica
I had a good one but it was too small and ended up dying
hollow river
I had a good one-shot community on Alliance side. But I haven't found one on Hor...
Need to join Smashval’s discord
lavish lichen
I could care less what your gear is please just know mechanics
wintry mica
for real
alpine latch
Need to join Smashval’s discord
What's that?
hollow river
It’s huge but he hasn’t started RLing sylv kills for the masses yet
He gets people aotc
750+ H sire kills
spice spire
I could care less what your gear is please just know mechanics
Mechanics are just a dps loss 
alpine latch
Oh nice
lavish lichen
Jesus 750
hollow river
Yup
lavish lichen
I had like 50 some
alpine latch
Yeah, I was in a community that carried people for AotC back in ToS
hollow river
Literally 10-30 kills a week sometimes
lavish lichen
I wanted to die every night we did 6-7
That was the worst shit
Good gold tho for us
hollow river
The requirements to boost heroic aotc is ridiculous
90+ parses on every fight CE of last tier etc
wintry mica
I was watching a booster stream
they did like 12 runs with 6 carries each
so much gold
alpine latch
90+ parses on every fight CE of last tier etc
I asked Cev about his boosting group ... It's higher than 90%. Or at least it was in CN
lavish lichen
I don’t think that’s ridic at all tbh
hollow river
For sure but like
kind talon
@hollow river is smash
lavish lichen
The more gold you make
hollow river
No
wintry mica
I think the last time i actually pugged aotc was like xavius or some shit
lavish lichen
Bc the boosters aren’t that good so you have less buyers
wintry mica
pugged it the week heroic came out cause that shit was so easy
lavish lichen
The better the boosters the more buyers you can take per run
winged basin
90+ parses on every fight CE of last tier etc
I wish I could have played my rogue in CE, I was trapped on my mage, had to work my ass off for them to let me rogue into raid
wintry mica
yea I had a couple buddies buy carries, and one group made them all die in p1
winged basin
End of tier I was out parsing 226 mfers as a 213 sim rogue and they were like fine you can play rogue
wintry mica
the huokan group was just like there is literally nothing you can do that would cause us to wipe
lavish lichen
Yea I boosted with Houkan last tier
Depends on boss ofc some bosses they make you die
wintry mica
yea the main group of boosters was flashpoint
lavish lichen
Yea now they have limit
And Starlight died
So they took all the starlight refugees
From like basically all top 20 us guilds
I haven’t done any but my friend had done some with Driney from Limit
And he would out DPS warriors on his hpal
wintry mica
lol
lavish lichen
Like other boosters that were warriors
So warrior getting 99% and him getting 99%
Still more damage
Idk some of the groups are insane
hollow river
Yea now they have limit
No
lavish lichen
Not anymore?
wintry mica
Im pretty sure limit still boosts through them
hollow river
No
They do not
They cut ties with Huokan fast
They got wind of RMT going on in that community apparently
hollow river
That’s not the point
wintry mica
there wouldnt be incentive to maintain a community that large if they didnt
lavish lichen
Ohh ofc I understand
wintry mica
yea its not like they need huokan to advertise for them
lavish lichen
Advertisement is the only benefit of boosting through a community
Being able to take money from any realm is big
Especially so when you are selling stuff for more than gold cap
You also don’t have to deal with the buyer’s BS
They invite everyone to the group and you just do the run
hollow river
Boosting for that much is still so risky
If buy bought the gold through RMT whoever they give it to gets banned too
lavish lichen
That’s not true in every case
hollow river
I know but it happens
hollow river
Limit has been banned a lot
lavish lichen
And getting banned also isn’t a massive deal, it’s not against ToS to make a new account if you have been banned
Yea that is true that is why they are more skeptical
Even with stuff in game
hollow river
Still a pain in the ass to remake characters lol
lavish lichen
Like skipping mechanics
lavish lichen
The internal testing team is just shit imo
How did they not think to try immunities on Nzoth?
hollow river
lavish lichen
And idk countless other mechanics that can be cheesed in similar ways
I saw guardian on ptr
And I was like yep immunity fight
And then it was so undertuned
That it didnt matter
So failed on both ends lol
clever kindle
Cheese as in what, not really
lavish lichen
The main mechanic was cheesed with immunities
You didn’t need immunities to do it, even Day 1
But it was just sooo much easier to manage that way
late birch
Some guy linked a WA thats like smart tricks or some shit that auto tricks the tanks, Im in raid with 2 tanks and dont know how to set it to other tank
violet hemlock
Or have a diff button for each of ur main tank s when in prog raids
wintry mica
is it pretty normal to be getting less flag stacks after swapping bs/ds?
kind talon
is it pretty normal to be getting less flag stacks after swapping bs/ds?
depends on how lucky you get with blindside
cause blindside is free stacks
idk what the average is tho
wintry mica
yea I guess ive only done like 2 openers on training dummy and didnt get hardly any procs
and no lust
wintry mica
it definitely feels slower even though its really not much slower
spice spire
Variance shouldn’t really be that large with bs/DS tbh
primal elm
whats the go legend for m+
plain thistle
whats the go legend for m+
zoldyck is the default option
for every week, you can change a little bit here and there for some dungeon (theater tyranical for example where you can run a more "single target" legendary)
winged basin
Yo, was sub stronger then sin this raid pre daggers?
I swear Sin won until sub got daggers
obtuse robin
sub was winning by alot b4 the patch
wintry mica
iirc sin was winning right at the start of 9.1
winged basin
ye but sims are not what they were doing at the time
obtuse robin
at thae start
wat
u guys either come here for the sims and advice or u dont
sub is still ahead atm in general unless u get the perfect frost gear
narrow ravine
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dERQjoC8htL9dgmfemCUjD 35.5% crit I still cant get dashing to sim higher than doomblade
wanton creek
Is sub pulling ahead at higher gear levels?
winged basin
Maybe I am wording it wrong, I know what the sims say and used to say, but I was asking when prog started and we went into sanctum sin pulled ahead of sub
ancient rain
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dERQjoC8htL9dgmfemCUjD 35.5% crit I still...
get more item levels nothing more u can do
winged basin
Word
cobalt pelican
sub has been better basically all tier
thorny pond
For ST sub is a smidge ahead but like always sim yourself, some people have shit sin gear or shit sub gear
narrow ravine
there is a notion that sin performs better with mechanics while sims were patchwork sub pulls ahead when they dont have to move
cobalt pelican
just sin is also s tier and (probably) better on sylvanas so
it's not really that much of an issue
winged basin
Word I was just asking cause I thought sin was preforming higher then pre dagger sub
thorny pond
Word I was just asking cause I thought sin was preforming higher then pre dagger...
No dagger sub club
cobalt pelican
nah, sub is still better w/o daggers
lavish lichen
Where you aren’t 100% sure of timings
cobalt pelican
it's probably arguable if you're at like
very good gear levels but without sylv daggers, now and have the option to play frost sin is probably better
but now is basically the only time
winged basin
Word; I was just curious, was arguing st classes with our warlock, and was 99% sure sin was higher, I told him I’ll look like a jackass this one time for him so he can look good
peak bobcat