assassination

[marble hemlock]

Cba fok spam

It's so boring

[winged moss]

if using dashing we still do use mutilate in stealth?

[ornate lake]

Just give us some utility (like smoke bomb). So we don't get a tier like CN again.

[marble hemlock]

Rogue would've seen little to no play in cn even if we had smoke bomb though

[vestal wren]

tuning is still relevant

[marble hemlock]

Rogue is in a really good spot atm

[vestal wren]

if you are "on par" with other specs/classes in utlity but tuned lower you will obv. not see play

[marble hemlock]

Yeah

Tuning matters regardless of utility

[ornate lake]

That's talking about CN. But with a new raid tier and having smoke bomb, it should help to bring us to encounters.
Right now we get in SoD cuz of good st dps. But we can't rely on blizz balancing that well every tier.

[marble hemlock]

No utility just means we need to be tuned above average classes that do have that utility

[ornate lake]

But ye this is true

[ornate lake]

Send this to blizz

[marble hemlock]

Having utility just means you might be brought even if you do mediocre DPS, but a basic mitigation raid CD wont do that anyway

Really/amz/darkness are different to the regular mitigation cds that healers have

[ornate lake]

But blizz won't always tune properly so Rogues get a spot. Even if it's just one.
CN has proven us the class stacking with dk amz

[vestal wren]

i mean people are still inclined to bring rogue to sylvanas

because of chains/p2 pad

[marble hemlock]

Dk wasn't really brought for the amz though, but their DPS being really good as well

[exotic plume]

No sims for frost yet?

[dawn ivy]

???

[ornate lake]

Yeah and execute etc

[marble hemlock]

Amz was surprisingly mediocre for slg/deny

[ornate lake]

Just over stacked on a class

[vestal wren]

i made some pinned in #subtlety

[junior rampart]

Does having high latency affect the dps? Especially for assa spec? I normally play at 250ms. I can barely manage 6.5-7.5k overall in 15's in m+ with an ilvl of 235.

[vestal wren]

high latency always affects your dps

but assassination is probably the spec with the lowest impact of the 3

[junior rampart]

Yes! I have witnessed casting more shadowstrike and over capping the combo points due to the delay when playing sub.

Probably I will continue to play assa

Thank you

[marble hemlock]

In m+ assa is GCD capped so it matters a decent bit on aoe

For st it's probably the easiest to play around higher ping though

[junior rampart]

In raid I'm not facing much issue. I was more concerned about m+ as dmg output was quite low compared to how much others hit for the same ilvl.

[ocean dune]

hey mates anyone has new chart for sancutm set bonus?

[shadow tusk]

Check #subtlety pins

[pallid panther]

hey did anyone have that screeny of how to level renown super quickly ?

[north basin]

Doing torghast in stealth 3 min runs

[delicate smelt]

When running DS over Vigor finishing always with 6cp or with 5cp?

[rocky rain]

max-1

[blissful forge]

is it worth to craft DS when it sims with ~50 dps more then doomblade

which i have on 225 already

[native cedar]

225 is low and doesn't feel like a waste if ressources

[safe patrol]

pretty safe to start upgrading my frost shards now?

[soft shale]

for st on assa is a safe bet

[subtle kiln]

yes. it was rocking even with my low ilvl

[soft shale]

do be aware that you need some crit anyway

but i can see it stonking with assa/outlaw

sub needs a bit more gear

[subtle kiln]

at 235 with 38crit it was 9-11% of my dmg. the absorb and healing are nutty

rank 3

[soft shale]

did you play with dashing?

[subtle kiln]

yea

[soft shale]

that makes sense

im also considering getting the shards to rank 4 next week

[subtle kiln]

i wanted to just get some data on it. at this point i’ll honestly go full frost to 5 since UH is at 4.

should have enough gear for sub at that point to swap easier

i love the Uh visual effect, but having vision issues it was nice to not have it on my screen.

[lethal zodiac]

Sry had to post this delete if against the rules D:

[frosty cedar]

also fix poison bug

[hollow river]

[rocky rain]

OK I'm ready to pull the trigger on my first > 235 leggo. Is DS pretty certain now?

[fallen arch]

JPC is the man

[lethal zodiac]

True

[lethal zodiac]

Do you go with crit haste or crit vers? Ive seen both

[rocky rain]

Those are crit / haste missives. I don't know what is best. I'm kind of ignoring my own sims since my gear is trash atm

I've mostly seen crit / haste though

[lethal zodiac]

Me2 but ive also seen crit vers thats why I am asking

[fallen arch]

I don’t see why you’d put crit vers on a sin leggo tbh

But maybe someone can elaborate

[rocky rain]

Maybe DS devalues haste? shrug I dunno

[limber lion]

Crit/Vers on Obedience

to allow for multispecing Subtlety

Otherwise always stick to Crit/Haste

and you're gucci.

[lethal zodiac]

I also have crit haste 262 doom

[limber lion]

You should sim em all first,.

[subtle kiln]

if you're that concerned with stats on non obedience, you can always run top gear with different missives

[subtle kiln]

nah screw DB

[rocky rain]

My gear will change so much in the next couple of weeks I don't think my sims add much value @limber lion. As long as it's good with mythic gear I'm happy

[limber lion]

Stats in themselves are so minimal and the stats on a single item won't do much to your dps.

[subtle kiln]

and cloaks are generally shit

[limber lion]

Also it's a cloak, so it's pretty low in terms of actual stats.

Yep.

[rocky rain]

I'm still 235 with 239/220 weapons and only 1 shard atm so I'm hoping my sims will be out of date really fast.

[subtle kiln]

i went crit haste without putting more than a second of thought into it for DS

[rocky rain]

Can I upgrade shards while they are in gear, or do I need to extract them?

[subtle kiln]

extra them

for whatever it's worth, my 235 stat weights with r3 frost and DS

but again, it's a cloak. if you want vers take the vers

end of the day it will have not a lot of impact

[mortal pike]

So I went frost and it feels nice, playing heavy crit feels so crispy.

[hollow river]

Dashing scoundrel and deathly shadows using the same acronym is cursed.

Idk why I thought they were talking about crafting deathly. Lool.

[fallen arch]

And deeper stratagem

[hollow river]

Yeah

[fallen arch]

Its not great no

[hollow river]

I’m gonna craft deeper strat leggo tonight

7 combo finishers for Venthyr rogue

[modest barn]

anyone know where to get a neck piece other than from a dungeon

havent gotten anything better than my ilvl 161

[rocky rain]

youll probably find a WQ one pretty fast thats a lot higher

I think WQs go up to 200ish

[modest barn]

havent found one unfortunately. been keeping my eyes peeled

[shadow pivot]

pretty sure Yorick in the rift @korthia drops the 207ilvl neck

[modest barn]

choker of the hidden observer ilvl 200

looks great thank you

[subtle kiln]

the auction house

[wanton creek]

Are my parses likely to be a lot better when I get rid of my 200 I’lvl oh or do I actually just fucking suck

[modest barn]

not tryna spend gold but thank you

[subtle kiln]

5k gold is too much?

the 230 crafted are dirt cheap with a socket

[modest barn]

not tryna use a legendary

[subtle kiln]

it’s not a lego

it’s a blue neck.

[modest barn]

the base items?

[subtle kiln]

pick your stat

jfc. go to the AH and search necks by ilvl

[wanton creek]

☹️

[modest barn]

no need to be like that

if you're frustrated, dont answer my question

[subtle kiln]

that’s as simple as it can be made instead of dismissing every answer

good luck. have fun

[modest barn]

go ahead and dont answer me

nobody said you have to answer

[shadow pivot]

Items be looking like that

but a neck obv

you can only have 1 crafted 230 piece

but they're indeed cheap

[modest barn]

i mustve not seen them my first time around. thought i looked earlier. may have had a filter on

i appreciate the help

[quasi venture]

[quasi venture]

did you link your logs?

[wanton creek]

Don’t have link atm I was just asking in general is that a factor of why they may be sub par

[quasi venture]

I mean, if 2000 people have 240 ilvl and parsing, then one with 220 comes in on the same boss its gonna be a grey parse bcs of gear diff yes.

[wanton creek]

Only at 226 I lvl but mh is 239 and oh 200

I’m hitting like 30-40’s

[teal bloom]

Mainhand is much more important than offhand, I doubt having low level offhand is that big of a disadvantage compared to armour pieces

[quasi venture]

Can't say much more without seeing logs either. you can always find dps somewhere.

[rocky rain]

Your dps will go up with more gear. Your dps will also go up with playing better. One of those you can control more than the other.

(Unless you are already a R1 parser)

[digital zodiac]

Dashing frost is still simming less for me when comparing rank 4 frost v unholy gems.. any thoughts why? (am venth too)

[plain thistle]

low rank frost? not enough crit?

[digital zodiac]

simming rank 4 frost with rank 4 unholy

possinly... but sims keep trying to give me more haste. i.e. making my Ocular gland buff me haste instead

[shut garnet]

i got the same issue atm

prolly just need more crit

[swift lance]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
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[digital zodiac]

if i get my ocular gland to crit, i will have around 35% crit, but yeah sims never seem to want me at that

[fallen arch]

Why be rude to someone that tries to help?

[timid cloud]

Indeed. That is one way to get the boot.

[burnt star]

Ya legit the guy was giving u a helpful tip to your problem and u straight up dismisses him 5 time. Of course hes gonna start to be impatient

[fallow estuary]

Sets are completly busted broken bullshit

[steel bane]

and borign

boring

[quasi venture]

tier sets tier sets

[carmine dawn]

As opposed to what

[fallow estuary]

i went from hc rank 1000 allstars to rank 4 the same night i got the last shard i needed

pure RNG

nothing i could'Ve done to get it faster

[carmine dawn]

Oh domination shards are dumb but that would happen with every set

[fallow estuary]

Atleast you could funnel TierSets or even use nhc versions of it

But in week 4 having done everything every week and beeing 1.5k simdps behind was a very frustrating expierence

[carmine dawn]

Yeah being unable to funnel is F

Not wrong. It sucks. But now you’re done collecting

[sterile chasm]

IT always work like that in wow

[real bay]

it was completely different with tier sets + masterloot, no shard rng

tier was guaranteed to drop

[sterile chasm]

And You completed set in first 4 weeks?

Always

I dont think so

[carmine dawn]

The time sink is more prevalent now that you can’t make up for ilvl in m+

[real bay]

wasnt hard to get 4piece in 4 weeks if you ran normal

• hc

[strange python]

I have all 3 sets

and 5 sockets

[sinful citrus]

Same

[fallow estuary]

i think its just way to much this time - with sets i never had like a week 4 "click" moment where my dps went from blue logs to top 10

[strange python]

but I still can't get weapons to save a life

[strange python]

devs: "but dom shards are basically the same as tier sets though!"

[sinful citrus]

This tier I've been showered with loot got a 252 phial 252 mh 5 heroic Dom sockets all shards

[strange python]

Why are you like this?

[sinful citrus]

Lop

Lol*

I paid for it last tier had 220 weapons all tier

[strange python]

yeah I saw a total of 3 weapons last tier

[real bay]

2 phials last season off weekly box, guaranteed to get none this

[strange python]

an outlaw weaon in an early cache, a dagger after the valor update after 71 runs of dagger instances, and then a cache dagger 1 month before the end of the tier

[sinful citrus]

My first box had 252 phial and totem

[pure moth]

I have all the shards.. no dom socketed pieces.. and a heroic sylv dagger

[spice spire]

I got my 226 dagger from the preseason vault

[dull mural]

Are we going Frost dom bonus or Unholy?

[limber lion]

Sim it

[sweet pecan]

just got enough of the ash++ to get the highest tier lego.. and now there is confusion about which one i should get

[real bay]

both are fine, wont take many weeks to have both

[sweet pecan]

DS is more rogue flavor tho

[limber lion]

I'll do some really simple sims to show off the differences.

[sweet pecan]

i will prolly just wait one more week see the info then

[raven vapor]

@limber lion is it just dashing that requires the high crit? frost set is already ahead for me but the same ilvl cloak is only a 33dps increase

[wind totem]

What's your crit like? Because I'm simming +423 dps with the frost set and dashing scoundrel and I have almost exactly 40% crit.

[raven vapor]

i'm at 37%, i went up 300+ dps switching to the frost set but changing the legendary does almost nothing

[wind totem]

Just did it as well and you seem to be on to something. The legendary is about 30 dps increase for me as well.

[uneven hamlet]

I'm at 38% crit and dashing is 0.5% better than obe 262

[manic pebble]

Can I see ur sim?

[raven vapor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2N2PeUCBXkCWhTm5twpY8d

[wind totem]

ignore taht

linked wrong shit

[limber lion]

I'll do some sims on my character in like 10 mins.

And pin them here.

[potent dagger]

Damn i can't decide covenant :/

[wind totem]

waht do you do and at what level?

[potent dagger]

i would like to go Assa / Outlaw , that would lead me to choose Necro

but i loose so much in ST -_-

Like 200+ dps

[wind totem]

Do you raid? Do m+? Pvp? At what level do you do those things?

[potent dagger]

Raid and M+

Mythic raiding

but i realy don't like Sub gameplay

[wind totem]

Do you focus on the raiding? If so I would recommend Venthyr, otherwise necro.

[spice spire]

Venthyr works specifically for ST

[wind totem]

I'm like you. I play outlaw and sin and I hate sub and I do mythic raids and some m+ (around 20s max by the end of the patch). And I'm venthyr

[agile geode]

Im in that kind of struggle too

I would like to play necro

[spice spire]

For outlaw* for sin it’s fine with both

[agile geode]

I love the Playstyle

But venthyr seems a bit better

[potent dagger]

all the sim i run give Venthyr a buch ahead on st , even on cleave ::

[agile geode]

But i dont like obedience

[spice spire]

I’m diamond hands on the boy heirmir

[spice spire]

It’s good for outlaw too. You don’t have to be stuck as Necrolord if you go sin/outlaw

[agile geode]

I dont like playstiles wich goes all around 1 spell

[polar ether]

Did you try playing outlaw as venthyr? How did it feel?

[wind totem]

Works fine in m+. Don't play outlaw in raids because there is no need for it.

[strange silo]

Hey how do you guys manage ma with bs/ds? i mostly get only 1 envenom in the window or should i just slam -2 envenoms in the window?

[polar ether]

ofc

[spice spire]

Oh also @limber lion I can confirm for sure, SBS bug not fixed - sorry I know you’re camping

[split furnace]

is it normal that normal sylvanas dropped me 0 shards??

[spice spire]

Usually just one envenom

[split furnace]

i dont have them all ofc

[agile geode]

They're fixing stupid shits and not sbs

Cant understand

[untold nest]

@split furnace did u do hc 1st?

[split furnace]

sylvanas? no

[polar ether]

1 for me as well

[split furnace]

first time this week

[spice spire]

That’s what we call an unlucky moment

[split furnace]

bug?

[spice spire]

Surely?

[untold nest]

Then u either have em all or u missed the one u got in ur bag

[split furnace]

i have 4 shards in bag

[untold nest]

Or didnt loot boss and didnt come to mail

[split furnace]

and 3 equipped

looted ofc xD

open a ticket is the way 😄

[potent dagger]

Both on Nadija -_- so a pain in the ...

[wind totem]

I play Theotar for outlaw m+

not nadia

sims better

[spice spire]

Are you missing a blood shard?

[potent dagger]

Got hope for outlaw in raiding , but i do wwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy more damage on assa even tough outlaw sim higher

[wind totem]

How the hell do you sim higher as outlaw?

[split furnace]

i have 3 frost 2 unholy 2 blood

[polar ether]

I would assume 5 targets

but idk

[potent dagger]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2Hts8sNYsvVytVrQDfTmnT

[spice spire]

Oh duh, that’s 7 with a max of 9.

[potent dagger]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v5Sc241imh3gQZNBGN9h5M

[spice spire]

Truly a mental boom on my part, unlucky

[potent dagger]

@wind totem like that ^^'

[limber lion]

Here are really quick sims showing off the differences between the frost and the unholy set using my profile.

Disclaimer:THESE ARE ALL DONE USING MY PROFILE, WITH MY GEAR, AS A VENTHYR AND WITH A R4 FROST SET AND R4 UNHOLY SET. TAKE THESE SIMS WITH MOUNTAINS OF SALT AND ALWAYS SIM YOURSELF. YOU NEED VERY SPECIFIC GEAR AND A HIGH RANKING FROST SET TO MAKE IT WORK.

These sims are NOT made with perfect setups for each scenario and are really, really raw just to mainly show the difference in a raid environment where you'd run one of these 3 talent setups. ALWAYS sim yourself before spending all of your resources. Obedience is still a great choice, even though it is not shown here. Sim it.

These sims do NOT use Necrolord because it is currently very buggy in game, which is not reflected in the sims. See more here:
#assassination message
SBS has been fixed.

Talent choices in the sims:
Single Target: BS/MA/DS/Alac/PB
Cleave: EP/MA/Vig/Alac/PB
AoE: EP/MA/Vig/Alac/CT

[wind totem]

Actually impressive

[deft wagon]

I thought the frost set was purely st?

[wind totem]

not with the recent buff it seems

[spice spire]

Apparently not

[cobalt pelican]

it only hits a single target

but it's funnel.. kinda..

since it can stack from dots on secondary targets

(and then proc on the wrong thing hehexd)

[spice spire]

I see

[wind totem]

If it does damage there is no wrong thing proc. #dpswhorelife

[iron orchid]

@limber lion did you try any obed sims ?

[spice spire]

It always will, please kill my 2hp add and not the prio target frost set

[limber lion]

For my current profile it loses to Doomblade/DS in every situation.

It could sim differently for you though.

[iron orchid]

roger

Yup, I couldn't sim everything yet

[wind totem]

simming at over 10k dps with rank 4 frost gems. God I'm drooling. What were the gem upgraed costs again?

[iron orchid]

I've tried some stuff in Heroic yesterday (actually messed up leggo) and played obed with frost on the nine, it didnt't look awful, I beat my best log by a small amount switching from r4 uh to r3 frost

[potent dagger]

@limber lion you go assa for m+ too ?

[merry fox]

2 rank - 5, 3 rank - 15, 4 rank - 30, 5 rank - 50

[iron orchid]

5/15/30/50

[wind totem]

so getting rank 4 frost from 1 is like upgrading my rank 4 unholy to 5. Got it

[iron orchid]

exactly

[wind totem]

Anyone know whats the ballpark of embers you get per week?

I haven't been keeping close attention to them

[raven vapor]

ah! i've found the difference thanks to your sims

[iron orchid]

let's say you 10/10 Heroic, it gives 30

[raven vapor]

BS+DS pulls dashing forward +160dps

[wind totem]

and some form the weeklies

[limber lion]

Yes

[iron orchid]

+10 from weekly jailer forces quest

[wind totem]

so about 50 per week

rought estimate

[iron orchid]

40 to 50 if you clear more Mythic bosses

[raven vapor]

wheras EP+Vigor it's only +30dps

[wind totem]

yeah i clear 4 and maybe a 5th this week.

[merry fox]

• 6-8 from notable mobs in raid

[iron orchid]

we are a bit slower here, GM wants us to go 10/10 Heroic before even killing MM Tarragrue

[spice spire]

The grue

[iron orchid]

people on holidays etc

[spice spire]

Is actually a joke fight - I pugged and 2 shot it

[wind totem]

My guild refuses to do hc on raid nights.

[spice spire]

Dagger

[wind totem]

It's annoying pugging sylvanas instead of going with teh guild and one shotting her.

[iron orchid]

imagine not pugging and still struggling

[spice spire]

[iron orchid]

can't wait to get a 98+ parse on our first kill when most of my guild is in the greens

oh shit that's a bit too aggressive

[rocky pecan]

If they green parses I'm not sure you can 98+ kill time etc

[spice spire]

Nah go off king

[spice spire]

You’ve never met Deï man high key built diffy

[iron orchid]

on sylvanas it may become a problem yeah

but on other bosses until now it just happened

[rocky pecan]

Heroic?

[iron orchid]

I think I had a bit more gear

[wind totem]

https://i.imgur.com/z7MMZr5.png My guild's top heroic parsers

[iron orchid]

yup, as I said earlier, my GM doesn't want to go MM raiding till we full clear heroic

[iron orchid]

that's cool

[rocky pecan]

Well sylvan as shouldn't be a problem at some week raid is out

Gear /gear /shard

[iron orchid]

we cleaned up to her last night one shotting every boss, but our team is not made of "fast learners"

[spice spire]

Wtf are those logs dei

Tragedy is all I see

[iron orchid]

so we have to do lots of trys even on lower difficulties

but when they know a fight, we hardly ever struggle on anything anymore

[rocky pecan]

Don't worry all guild after some guild rank have same issue

[spice spire]

My guild similar
We have 3 unholy sets and I’m still top DPS on most fights without it, only parsing 80-90ish too

[wind totem]

Sounds like a nightmare.

Find a new guild.

[iron orchid]

anyway, at realm scale we are not that bad, so that's ok for me

[rocky pecan]

I got a balance venthyr who don't even innerv our healer when they ask and say I'm on burst ahah

Easy to parses when not playing mechanic and just dps

[iron orchid]

I know some of these too

[wind totem]

I've got a balance venthyr taht's good but steals the PIs from me even though I outdps him. Smh

[spice spire]

5 hour a week casual stuff I’m just vibing chief

If I wanted to push content - absolutely. But I love the dudes

[iron orchid]

Actually I'm having a lot of fun these days raiding and in dungeons

[spice spire]

Same

[iron orchid]

Same

so I just try taking them up with me

[rocky pecan]

Well I would love to see tazavesh on mm+ à bit of change would be cool

[spice spire]

Same here, obviously to a lesser degree 😛

[untold nest]

If ur healer wants inner on his burst window he can wait. Its literally the only dmg the man does for 3 mins :D

[spice spire]

But the difference between first go around and now is massive and we do indeed love to see it

[untold nest]

Their dmg outside of burst is like 3k

[rocky pecan]

The dungzon we run from start are a bot boring

[spice spire]

My fun for the game comes from the guild I’m in, not the content. Dudes are chill and it’s a pretty good environment

[iron orchid]

going back to bs/ds frost set dashing changed my routine last night, refreshing

and pushing rio as sin is funny

[rocky pecan]

I have to craft dashing 44% crit now should be enough have to sim

[iron orchid]

i need to get back to my early SL rankings ehe

[untold nest]

Yeh over 38 39 kost profiles swap mate

[spice spire]

KSM on dog shit assassination

[untold nest]

Most *

[rocky pecan]

The frost gems rank 3 are 11% of my dps in mm

[iron orchid]

i played this 39% yesterday, and it already did at least as good as with a r4 uh past week

[rocky pecan]

I was 37% before raid tho I'm at 44% after the 3 th boss

But don't have enough for 262

[wind totem]

3rd not 3th

[rocky pecan]

Y sorry

[spice spire]

U may be ESL

Or third, fourth, etc

[rocky pecan]

Troisième in French kek

[spice spire]

Makes sense. My French is absolute dog shit. Your English far better than my French

[wind totem]

Anyone got a clue why this gear compare didn't work? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8DcDsGP7wT39w8EjTXYZKW

Obviously i fucked up something

[limber lion]

Why are you using gear compare

and not top gear?

[wind totem]

want to test out some combos and when i select all the options in top gear it's a fucking clusterfuck at the bottom.

I've already done it for top gear and I'm wondering why I'm not getting the same resutls here.

[alpine garden]

Crafting cloak with DS for that sweet 11dps upgrade

[alpine latch]

I'm about to do the same thing in a week, lol.

[fallen arch]

I realy cba

Unholy set is almost rank 5

[wind totem]

still more dps from rank 4 frost

than unholy 5

[tacit wedge]

Now give Blizzard 20€ for a race swap for a extra sweet 20dps

[limber lion]

I'm going Frost r4 today as well personally.

[fallen arch]

Ye until they rebalance

[limber lion]

Won't be using Dashing yet as I can't get a r5 or r6 yet.

[alpine latch]

I should have r4 frost tomorrow and all of my other DPS gems to 3

[wind totem]

They literally just did the rebalance

[alpine latch]

Same. I'm swapping to DS once I can crank out a r6

[fallen arch]

Ye and they reverted the last balance too

Also, its a pure st gain

[wind totem]

No it's not.

[fallen arch]

How many pure st encounters do we have

[wind totem]

It's gain for multi target as well

check the newest pin

[cobalt pelican]

pretty much all of the fights in the raid have 1 target that matters at any given time lol

[fallen arch]

I hve seen em

I’m months off from having bis gear

[patent garden]

My frost set simming +114 dps with doom on st

[fallen arch]

I’m fine for now woth my unholy set

[wind totem]

My frost set sims +300 dps in top gear but not in gear compare.

Hence my question.

[cobalt pelican]

i mean

if you just wanna upgrade what you have

there's nothing wrong with that

but don't overdose on copium

[alpine latch]

Hey @limber lion - did you only test DB because you don't have R6 obedience/Zoldyck? Seems odd that you'd select Doomblade for AoE with Zolds and Obe being better more often than not

[limber lion]

Obedience sims less for me on those fights, and you wouldn't use Zoldyck in a raid encounter.

These are made with raids in mind.

In m+ the set effect doesn't work, where you'd use a different talent and legendary setup anyways.

[alpine latch]

Fair enough

[limber lion]

But these were very quick sims and definitely not ideal like pointed out in the pin

[alpine latch]

I ran Zoldycks in a few fights in CN but I guess yeah, there's no reason to ever run it in SoD

[limber lion]

I already got a +200 dps upgrade since I made that pin

so it's already inaccurate.

for my current profile.

[wind totem]

sylv dagger?

[alpine latch]

It's still good to see how different things scale though - even if it's different for us

[limber lion]

but yeah, it's only to display how much of a gap it is for a player without absolute bis gear.

[limber lion]

246 Phial

[alpine latch]

yeah

[limber lion]

Already have a dagger.

[wind totem]

I hate you

I have neither.

Shitty luck

[spice spire]

2.5 mill stonks

[fallen arch]

I’m gonna get Sylv daggie tonight

[alpine latch]

I don't either, but I've also only ran like 8 dungeons the entire 9.1 patch.

[fallen arch]

No question

[wind totem]

I've been telling myself that since week 1.

[alpine latch]

I'm no where near KSM ...

I should probably start caring

[spice spire]

I’m 1951 - one dude hella pugged this and last week to get 2k, rest of group around 1700

[limber lion]

I mean

[alpine latch]

I went Horde with two of my friends and they both quit and went back to Alliance, so I have zero motivation to play outside of raid right now.

[limber lion]

Took me 19 runs of Plaguefall

and 2.5m gold

So

[spice spire]

21 runs in

Those boosts providing big profits tho

[wind totem]

gold? Did you pay for each for a stack?

[alpine latch]

I really need to make friends on the Horde side that I enjoy playing with

[limber lion]

Yes, I bought 6 trinket stack runs.

[sterile perch]

I'm dumb. Which tab in raidbots do I go to sim different shards

[wind totem]

top gear

[limber lion]

Only to loot it myself.

[spice spire]

LMAO.

And to get that 252 in the vault this week

[limber lion]

I wouldn't complain

Still the bis trinket

[fallen arch]

You did what?

[round temple]

Stupid question perhaps but how Much dps do SnD add? Say with 2x226 wpns? A guildie rarely use it and tbf his dps isn’t all that

[spice spire]

Mans ethically going for the prog

[limber lion]

wat

You literally press SnD once

and never again

Why wouldn't you press it

[round temple]

I know 🤣

[limber lion]

It's our highest damage dealing finisher

Like it gives INFINITE value

[fallen arch]

Lol

[limber lion]

because it never drops.

[fallen arch]

Unless u forget to envenom somehow

[limber lion]

it's mega giga bad not to use it

[fallen arch]

Pog

[round temple]

Which explains his dps then 😂

[fallen arch]

Link logs

I wanna see this anomaly

[round temple]

Haha i can try

[fallen arch]

Wanna see what happens if u refuse to press snd

[round temple]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/q8phzf2DbrVvnZ9P/#fight=20&source=81&type=auras

[quasi venture]

we are in for a show boys

[subtle gyro]

oh....my

[quasi venture]

MHHH Master poisoner

[subtle gyro]

how is that even possible

[real bay]

skulker

[fallen arch]

Whoo

This opener

Hurts my eyes

Vendetta into garrote and 2 ambush

[quasi venture]

[real bay]

you guys dont ambuhs

[fallen arch]

Ok try to help him

But if he refuses, just let him be

[subtle gyro]

are we facerolling the keyboard here or what?

[south belfry]

Poor guy is doing his best

[fallen arch]

I ran with a kyrian boomie in 9.0 who pulled similar stuff, some ppl just want to play and be left alone

[south belfry]

Somehow he still got 55 parses

[alpine garden]

But think how much more fun he'll have by pressing one button

[subtle gyro]

NF aswell : /

[round temple]

That is what i was thinking aswell

[south belfry]

Hes necrolord which is fine

[quasi venture]

His NF

[fallen arch]

NF is sort of fine if that’s your thing. Running subt at painsmith? Come on

[round temple]

He is nf yes

[south belfry]

Oh the other guy

[quasi venture]

Yea catdeluna is the guy under investigation for breaching the law of SnD

[naive trout]

he could be a pvper and just in the run for funsies 🙂

[round temple]

Yes not me, i can’t be helped anyway

[quasi venture]

Everyone can be helped.

[fallen arch]

5.5k on soulrender without snd, pretty impressive

[cobalt pelican]

nf is a far bigger loss than playing subterfuge lol

[shell venture]

Hey guys, quick question: Why is Obedience recommended when Doomblade is simming like 80 dps higher for me? Should I still go for Obedience?

[south belfry]

If it sims better for you go for doomblade

And db easier to use

[violet jackal]

The question was why

[south belfry]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Gear probably

[spice spire]

MP-Subterfuge-Night Fae

Actually built diff

[south belfry]

Maybe not enough haste to utilize obedience fully

[spice spire]

And one vanish

Holy moly

[quasi venture]

ey subterfuge is fun

and nf is fun aswell

the guy is a hero

Only thing missing from completing his exodia kit is exsanguinate

[real bay]

hidden blades

[manic pebble]

wooo, frost set finally sim higher for me now!

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x6nYwMzhmjFYoZ73jX9Gi3

found the combination

[slow marsh]

Yeah I think ep / ds sims higher for 3 target cleave with dashing frost btw

[long hawk]

How much soul ash and cinders does it cost to upgrade a rank 4(235) to rank 5(249) leggo?

[craggy oak]

2 questions, whats the crit breakpoint for frost dashing, and why is it there in the first place, hoe much of a difference is it once you hit it

[slow marsh]

35 ish depending on gear. Cuz you need good gear. Kind of a lot

And that's 3 questions btw

[craggy oak]

2 questions, whats the crit breakpoint for frost dashing, and why is it there in the first place, hoe much of a difference is it once you hit it

[proven brook]

https://soulash.eu check out this website let’s you choose a lot of different option and tells you exactly how much of each you need

[slow marsh]

I already answered you bud

[surreal vale]

Hello rogues, to have 100% effectivity of the Frost build should i change to venthyr ? (for raid) or i can stay necro (plis fix the spyke) and do allmost the same damage ? Thanks

[thorny pond]

That is a question you'll have to sim

[proven brook]

I believe there is a very strong interaction with Nadihja soulbind “Fatal Flaw” which would be venthyr only but it still may work for Necro

[thorny pond]

Necro has gemstones

[proven brook]

True

[spice spire]

And mnemonic device

Less than 1% damage

[fallen arch]

Which sucks balls really

It looked nice on paper

[surreal vale]

first i need to have lucky to get my domination gear haha, they i will have to make a choice

[thorny pond]

You can sim hypotheticals

[alpine latch]

I'm considering just buying Phial stack runs .. sadly.

I don't really want to spend a ton of time farming it

[fallen arch]

Maybe you won’t have to

[thorny pond]

May as well just do it. Good for the soul

[alpine latch]

I

[fallen arch]

Stack runs cost gold

Which also means grind?

[thorny pond]

Palmer rich mofo confirmed

[fallen arch]

Or creditcard in some cases I guess

[spice spire]

Palmer is sugar papi confirmed

[alpine latch]

I can buy multiple CE mounts without really feeling it

I'm good on gold

[spice spire]

Man invested in Amazon in 1998

[alpine latch]

I made over 4m gold just selling Wormhole Generators in Shadowlands ....

Haven't paid a cent for WoW since the token system came out

[fallen arch]

Then do it I’d say

[alpine latch]

They were selling for 20k a pop and only cost like 2k to make. I churned that bad boys out like hotcakes

[split cipher]

My Gm has wow paid up til 2024 from crafter mark ring sales

Jokes on him, this game's prob dead ina year

[glacial crypt]

Those crafters mark rings made fucking BANK

[fallen arch]

No

[alpine latch]

I'm paid up for 18 months, bnet wallet is stacked, and I have multiple TCG mounts that go for gold cap or higher, plus I'm sitting on about 130m liquid gold.

Your GM sounds like my type of people

[fallen arch]

130m?

[alpine latch]

I've considered just buying CE for the forseeable future to help out Limit ... lol

[fallen arch]

How in The fucking world do you get that kind of gold?

[glacial crypt]

what in the fuck

[fallen arch]

Gief some pls

[alpine latch]

I started goldmaking in TBC. I was the only person on my server that had 2 of the Hyjal/BT cuts for like 2 months. I kicked it up even harder in Legion when I was cranking out the craftable legendaries. That brought in 3-5m a week depending on how much I wanted to farm +2s

[quasi venture]

Hey palmer! im no gold digger or such but hey baby

[alpine latch]

I have played the AH since Vanilla. I bought a few of my friends their epic mounts because I was a nerdy 18 year old with no real life friends, so I'd stay up until 2-3am farming Arcane Crystals and then turning them into Heartseeker daggers.

[thorny lion]

I have a question guys. I need to craft a Leggo for Assa next week.Should i craft doomblade oder Dashing First?

For prog

[alpine latch]

I leveled a character just to be able to make them and named it Schwettyballz because they had to wear daggers by me

[alpine latch]

Wait until next week and sim what's best

Don't lock in to an idea until you are ready to craft it right then and there

[strange python]

could anyone here help me with a log of the eye? as in what i could do better? or is there a separate channel for that? 😄

[spice spire]

Post it here papi

[strange python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bzrV7vJC6anWZq4Q/#fight=17&type=damage-done&source=6

[thorny lion]

I mean till next week i have unholy bonus on4

[strange python]

now this isn't a kill
but i was just wondering what i could do better

to get a potential higher parse

[alpine garden]

Kill it

[spice spire]

^

Non kill logs aren’t exactly the best

[strange python]

true, but since it was like a 3% wipe i thought it would give me my end result anyway

then again i'm pretty much a noob regarding logs 😄

[spice spire]

2.5% missing uptime looks like when you died - I mean 93 before hand. But let’s take a small look at it regardless

[alpine latch]

I really need to adjust my lag tolerance... I have been wasting CP a lot lately

[limber lion]

Yes, mfd/ds also sims higher with add waves

But I ain't doing those kinds of sims out here in the middle of nowhere

I'll do better ones when I'm home.

[spice spire]

Little CP waste - low uptime on rupture but that could be from death. Kill logs better

[strange python]

alright, i'm definitely gonna keep that in mind for tonight - thanks a lot 😄

[spice spire]

Any time

When I say little bit I mean literally 5 avoidable

[strange python]

ah alright, yeah i mean every bit helps for dem orange logs 😄

[spice spire]

Yessir best of luck

[shadow helm]

DASHING META?

[spice spire]

ALSO. You can shadow step to boss during beam and it pulls you to the middle of the platform. Just make sure he’s well on the finishing side of his beam and you can mitigate that movement altogether

[strange python]

oh yeah i'm already doing that 😄

[narrow ravine]

10/10 normal and 6/10 heroic, 5 weeks not a single domination socket helm dropped for me 😦

[strange python]

i think my biggest problem for now is that RL is telling us to stop dps on boss at some point to not push him early while the chain add is still up

and also slow dps on the eyes if they're not going down in a even way

so maybe that's how my rupture uptime may be a bit scuffed

[split cipher]

Are you doing the 18/2 strat?

[strange python]

yes

[split cipher]

You 100% should be able to handle an add in the intermission with 18 people on it

[spice spire]

Stopping DPS kinda cring

[narrow ravine]

we split groups evens and odds for each side, then the extras swap to the side with the add, both go down fairly fast

[undone lodge]

guys, best slot for legendaries is? cloak?

[potent dagger]

@limber lion witch build you use for MM+ as an assa ?

[strange python]

yeah i agree tbh

[slow marsh]

Fair. I just know that dashing with EP/DS is the new ep/vigor doomblade

[strange python]

because at one point we actually had an add spawn in intermission and it died in like 10 seconds

[lone wren]

what do you do for work in real life? i can barely get all my dailies weeklies etc done between work and being an adult lol

[strange python]

but i guess for a prog kill he wants to keep it clean

[narrow ravine]

just play wow while you are at work, easy

[alpine latch]

I'm a web developer at a national broadcasting company. (I don't work from home and I don't play during work, if that's what you're thinking)

[lone wren]

damn i have no idea how you have time for all that then

impressive

[potent dagger]

EP/DS feel so slow :/

[narrow ravine]

avoid playing alts

[alpine latch]

I don't chase tiny upgrades and I don't play alts

[sand heath]

Stop being an adult 🙂

[slow marsh]

are you using dashing?

[alpine latch]

If I can gain 0.2% upgrade for 30 hours of farming, I just use that 30 hours to do something else because IDGAF about a 0.2% upgrade

[potent dagger]

Nah still obe , farming my ashes to craft dashing

[jagged osprey]

its 2021

how people still playing WoW rather than just raid logging and doing dailies

is beyond me

[real bay]

mount farm is the true endgame

[spice spire]

@alpine latch high key built for the grustle. Man always aiming to get gains, irl and in-game. Respect it

[alpine latch]

People should do what they find fun - whether or not you find it fun is irrelevant.

[spice spire]

Think it’s meme tbh

[narrow ravine]

people say that but they dont mean it

[lone wren]

majority of wow players are casual players who enjoy farming mounts, transmogs etc

[slow marsh]

well then that would be why lol

[alpine latch]

Personally, I think m+ is one of the worst things that they have ever added to the game.

[lone wren]

i guess who are we to judge them lol

[narrow ravine]

like telling my raid do what you find fun, none of them would get weekly vaults up to 252 cause they wont do m+ without being pressured into it

[lone wren]

im still low key going to legion zones and try to finish balance of power for those sweet outlaw artifact skins

[sand heath]

1 afternoon a week, I do all the crap the game expects us to do, and the other 2 are to raid, that generally gets me through all the stuff I need to do, like @alpine latch I don’t chase 0.2% upgrades that cost huge investment of time, and certainly don’t chase the cosmetic side of the game.

[narrow ravine]

telling them to do what they find fun, they would never farm the mats for pots and get raid ready

[slow marsh]

EP / DS with dashing is only sluggish on pull but flows real smooth after

[spice spire]

I enjoy pushing end game content

That’s about it

So m+ big positive for me

[alpine latch]

If you care about xmog, they are really good xmog items IMO. I have all of the Outlaw ones, but none of the Sub ones so I need to work on that myself.

[lone wren]

trying to whip a bunch of casual players into mythic raiding is a lost cause and honestly not a great cause. You should never have to force someone to do their 15 each week. If that is not their priority, then neither is/should be mythic raiding

[narrow ravine]

its a lot of work and peer pressure to get a raid to better themselves, half of my raid dont sim or work on bettering themselves without me badgering them or doing it for them

id love a game that we could just queue up for some dungeons and not have to provide our raider io resume for an hour before getting accepted, but this is the game we live in

if your score isnt already over 2000, goodluck

[cobalt pelican]

on my shaman i just list my own 15s and do fine

[narrow ravine]

its a lot of work, this game, its a lot of stuff that isn't fun but you gotta do it to progress

[bleak sky]

are you in a giga casual raid?

[lone wren]

my score is over 2000, im 10/10H 4/10 mythic, and still have to wait a but for a group to take me, all because i didn't play CN i only raided the last month of it

[alpine latch]

I lost a lot of motivation this patch when I went Horde with 2 of my closest friends and then they went back to our Alliance guild knowing that I couldn't go back until 9.2. I really couldn't care less about farming m+. I'll get my upgrades, but I'm not farming 10 dungeons every week and hoping I get a Phial out of my vault. It's not worth it to me.

[lone wren]

but it's not impossible, if you are in a guild usually there are bunch of ppl who always wanna run a key

[narrow ravine]

I mean, based on some people they would call us casual, we are usually the highest alliance guild on our realm, 6/10 mythic by the end of the tier but it takes us a while

been with this guild since BC

we have maybe 10 try hards and the rest would rather just login to raid and logout until next week

we rarely get further than 6/10 mythic most expansions

[bleak sky]

are you happy with that?

[cobalt pelican]

that's a bout as casual as mythic raiding gets unless you count the heroic guilds that do 1st boss and then go home

[real bay]

it is quite painful to prog as 2day guild unless extend every week after ppl have decent gear

[narrow ravine]

yeah its fine, just have to keep on people to do their 4 m+ a week, do their korthia dalies to unlock sockets, do torghasts to get cinders, etc.

its just a chore sometimes

[bleak sky]

Are you happy with your current guild or not?

[cobalt pelican]

really depends on the guild, even inside the 6h bracket there are guilds who are just very inefficient

[bleak sky]

Seems like you're not reaaaally happy with 6/10M every tier and people not getting vaults

[narrow ravine]

its not all 'do what you find fun' its a lot of extra stuff to keep raiders raiding

[cobalt pelican]

i raided 6h for all of bfa and nathria and it was pretty chill, cleared the tier in reasonable-ish pace but yeah reclearing post-sludge was a no go really, usually only last boss in most tiers

[tidal gorge]

^ yeah, that was my exact experience. Guild bumped up to 9h for this tier

[real bay]

i dont see much point in mythic raiding unless youre going for CE just my opinion, there needs to be some sort of goal

7/10 isnt a goal to me

[narrow ravine]

AotC is usually when a lot of my guild checks out and stops logging in until next tier

[bleak sky]

And are you happy with that or not Voygt?

[tidal gorge]

It would be a lot more possible to do 6h if they didn't put in so much freaking trash.

[narrow ravine]

I said its fine 😛

[bleak sky]

if you're not happy with the current state of your guild, just change guilds

[narrow ravine]

its my guild

but it wears on you to have to motivate people to do the unfun tasks every week

[bleak sky]

But you're kinda complaining a lot about your players' approach to the game

If the guild is yours, you can get new players

If that doesn't work out, change guilds

[narrow ravine]

do I wish they would be self motivated, sure

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I specifically went Horde not to chase CE, but because I found a guild that keeps raiding no matter what. I hated that my Alliance guild would get AotC, get the free bosses in Mythic, but once they had to try they stopped raiding. But now I'm playing alone and have no motivation to play outside of raid.

[narrow ravine]

wasn't intending on complaining, was responding to someone who said just do whats fun, and disputing that you cant just expect the raid to succeed without the prep work and the non-fun stuff

[spice spire]

What server king?

[undone lodge]

guys, are we using Grim -Veiled Cape for legendary?

[alpine latch]

I'm on US-Area 52 now

[bleak sky]

most of them, sure

[undone lodge]

ah okay, is it the best atm?

[spice spire]

There are so many homies here on area 52.

If you ever want to do m+ just lmk I can sit a run with my group and watch a real rogue frag

[alpine latch]

Yeah. I need to find some communities or something to start getting to know people and making friends

Or I'll just wind up quitting altogether for FF, lol

[undone lodge]

thanks @bleak sky

[spice spire]

Not the weebs

I was lucky and found two pretty awesome guilds that are great.

[undone lodge]

unfortunately i'm on EU @alpine latch if not i'll be glad to put you in my guild, we are the only one Indonesian Guild on that region btw, lol

[alpine latch]

Hah. It's all good. I've always sucked at making friends anyway. I'm extremely sarcastic and also direct so I come off as a miserable prick more often than not.

[undone lodge]

but we're only casual guild, we never gone mythic

[bleak sky]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[bleak sky]

also check the pins/faq

[vast forum]

So typical rogue i see

[undone lodge]

@bleak sky thanks

[bleak sky]

leggy will be dependent on your gear, shards and more

[alpine latch]

Pretty much, yeah. But I top the meters more often than not so people enjoy playing with me in raid... Just not as much outside of raid.

[undone lodge]

we are what we are 🙂

[gusty mirage]

I might be leaving area 52

[slow marsh]

theres lots of roguie bois in here on a52

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage for which server

[slow marsh]

oop nvm

[slow marsh]

coming to ally proudmoore or what

[spice spire]

Delete this one rn chief

[slow marsh]

BE PROUD. PROUDMOORE

[static glacier]

is it major to pair vanish /w shiv in vendetta window or is it fine to vanish anywhere in vendetta?

anyone simmed the difference?

(assume master assassin)

[slow marsh]

yes you should try hard to line up shiv vanish vendetta

[north basin]

btw frost kor shard increase all dps?

or on this particular target

[sharp zodiac]

Did someone say FAMILY (proudmoore)

[slow marsh]

hordie bois tryna bully

[fallen arch]

Oxi going alliance for that sweet shadowmeld

[spice spire]

Nah alli chill tbh

[fallen arch]

I hear ya

[spice spire]

It’s a big meme

Mechagnomes are a disgrace tho

[slow marsh]

ik

agree

voidelf for sure just cuz i can't be BE

[bleak sky]

double MA procs in combat

[sudden canyon]

they need to add mercenary mode for pugging shit

[alpine latch]

They need to just make it so all of NA can raid together regardless of server/faction

They came out with Communities and you can't even cross-realm Mythic raid with them. They are the most useless things in the world

[fallen arch]

Double empowered garrotes and extra silences u mean

[bleak sky]

[bleak sky]

everyone become mechagnome

[harsh anchor]

Feel like mythic raiding is literally the only limitation to communities other than perhaps a guild. But that’s the void it fills - “cross realm community that can’t guild together”

[alpine latch]

Limited in Mythic raiding and not being searchable in any way.

[spice spire]

You can do mythic raiding xrealm once hof opens up

At least

[alpine latch]

Which is getting harder and harder

Because more and more Alliance are going horde

[spice spire]

Wait. Are you a52 alli?

[alpine latch]

nope, horde

[spice spire]

Oh I was like oh brother

[sudden canyon]

im still alliance and started gearing out my horde rogue. its sad you can find a pug at anytime of the day on horde

and on alliance you gotta wait for the OCE boys to come online for the decent groups

[spice spire]

OCE boys really boosting alli tho

Respect it

[alpine latch]

On A52 one of the pugs is 2/10M

I had to leave after Terragrue but the group got Eye after I left

[arctic walrus]

rude

[winged basin]

[torn rose]

So, at rank 3+ frost shards i start simming better with cloth domination socket bracers

[sudden canyon]

wasnt wf alliance on NA an oce guild

[winged basin]

How we doin today boys

[torn rose]

Frost + unholy set bonuses

good game :)

[spice spire]

I didn’t know Vel came in here

Stormrage also hard carrying tho

[strange python]

Feels like no sins left

[modest glen]

so we all go outlaw frost now?

this game

[strange python]

Never

[spice spire]

There are plenty of “sins” just not a ton of assassination gamers. Which is good. Our sub brethren really do deserve some love

[arctic walrus]

dont worry my child, I am back to nurture you all

[modest glen]

are the sims accurate? seems huge difference

[strange python]

Ill play sub when I get a dagger.

Sylv dagger *

[sudden canyon]

i been playing sub with my sin gear.

[signal venture]

so do we know yet what is the top spec atm for rogues after the shard buffs?

[fallen arch]

How’d u come op with that?

[fiery mauve]

Think there are more assassination parses than subt and outlaw

[strange python]

Not on later bosses

151 sub kills of painsmith, 23 sin. Wild

[arctic walrus]

well because painsmith is a dogshit fight for sin

[fiery mauve]

Imagine not funneling

[strange python]

Same thing on guardian

[gusty mirage]

Zuljin, then I have to compete with @warped temple on the IO leaderboards

@slow marsh @fallen arch ngl been strongly considering going ally

[strange python]

Fatescribe 87>16

[fiery mauve]

Fatescribe you funnel again lmao

[arctic walrus]

it's been 3 days since the buffs to frost that can cause assa to pull ahead of sub with current gear, sub still had better st than assa

[fiery mauve]

You just named like

[arctic walrus]

fatescribe you can funnel again

[fiery mauve]

3 op subt fights

[arctic walrus]

on things like kt and sylv there is more assa representation

[strange python]

Every single fight after the first three

Remnant was sin at first but isn't anymore

[arctic walrus]

they all simply play into sub playstyle

[strange python]

Disagree. I just think it's interesting how badly people wanted to play sub

[fiery mauve]

I’m sorry what

Ok

[strange python]

Are you suggesting that if sub and sin were deadass equal more people wouldn't be playing sub? You're an actual liar if you say that.

Rogues been dying to play sub for 3 years

[cobalt pelican]

?

sin has been the most popular and most widely known rogue raiding spec

for like

[subtle tundra]

i wish i didnt have to play sub 😦

[cobalt pelican]

a decade

[strange python]

Because sub was shot in the head after Zul?

[fiery mauve]

Sub was only good at one fight

[strange python]

And was left in a ditch

[slow marsh]

its a fun time that's for sure

[fiery mauve]

Am I getting punked

Where’s ashton

[bleak sky]

most likely whatever you're best at

unless you're a god gamer in all 3 specs, with giga gear, then outlaw is bis

[finite sierra]

still obedience > DB ?

[bleak sky]

sim

[finite sierra]

ty

[strange python]

I'm not convinced outlaw is bis yet.

In sims maybe

[harsh anchor]

Well you need gear

[strange python]

Not convinced.

[steel ridge]

outlaw smacks, but assa is easier to put the power down

[harsh anchor]

I mean okay. Even if it is or isn’t bis, no one has to play it

[subtle kiln]

you don’t have to play anything.

just be good at whatever you play

[strange python]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[fiery mauve]

Bm hunter pog

[warped temple]

@gusty mirage no no youre hangin out with me on zj

no alliance

[strange python]

Depends what your goals as a gamer are. If you want to play at a certain level you're enormously incentivized to play what's best, especially as a pure DPS.

[bleak sky]

wait why is Ryfie not a community figure

[strange python]

Like trying being an arcane mage last tier lol

[bleak sky]

plenty of arcane mages getting CE

[strange python]

Or...a sub rogue after uldir

[subtle tundra]

im progging painsmith, i'd be griefing my raid if i were assa

[bleak sky]

plenty of mistweavers getting CE

[strange python]

This is some obtuse strawman bullshit and you know it.

[bleak sky]

being good > playing bis classes

[last saffron]

this

[strange python]

"It's doable" doesn't change how heavily incentivized you are to play the fotm spec for your class.

[bleak sky]

it's not, you know that being good at what you do is better than playing FoTM

[strange python]

No, not this.

[fiery mauve]

Who incentivizing you

Who hurt you

[strange python]

Many people who get Arcane CE in Nathria have been in those guilds for ages

[subtle kiln]

all three rogue specs are really good. for painsmith, tell your boomies and locks to do better

[strange python]

You have a harder time justifying your raid spot, you have a harder time changing guilds, etc, etc, etc.

[shy dust]

Tbf playing assa on painsmith when sub exists and is easy to swap to

[bleak sky]

Those players are there because they're good at what they play

[shy dust]

Is a bit of an interesting choice

[bleak sky]

If you can't justify your raid spot on a non-HoF guild with pure performance, you're doomed

[strange python]

Saying "you can play any spec you want at any time" is some "sure honey, you can become a millionaire as an interpretative kombucha artist if you believe!" shit

[fiery mauve]

You don’t pay my sub

[strange python]

Sure. You can. But don't act like you're not strapping on ankle weights.

[bleak sky]

Completely different things lmao

[subtle kiln]

Lok seems to be doing fine as outlaw

[fiery mauve]

I will play survival hunter

[subtle kiln]

people got CE as sub last tier.

[strange python]

That's the actual dumbest argument ever.

[woeful meteor]

top 5*

[bleak sky]

So you want you'd rather have your guildmates play the FoTM suboptimallly for 1 month than have them play what they're great at?

[fiery mauve]

Everyone play arms warr

[strange python]

And Kylie Jenner made a billion, but if you try to make your sister release a fucktape as your career plan, you're not going to make it very far.

[bleak sky]

I feel like this is not productive

[fiery mauve]

It isn’t

[subtle kiln]

you’re arguing with a uwu, ofc it’s not going to be productive.

[strange python]

insults obvious joke name as argument.

[subtle kiln]

not min maxing name meta. shame

[fiery mauve]

Pog name meta

[strange python]

"if you want to play this game at a high level you will have an easier time being a good class than a bad class" "but these 4 raiders who have been in their guilds for 10 years did it as a bad spec!" That's your functional argument lol.

[bleak sky]

xXxSinSlayer__X inc

sure, whatever makes you happy

[fiery mauve]

Ok

[sharp zodiac]

Playerbase outside of RWF teams thinking they have to play FOTM classes 💤💤💤

[strange python]

Playerbases outside of rwf thinking that they are good enough to not utilize all the tools at their disposal to give themselves an edge

[fiery mauve]

If you need that edge sure

[sharp zodiac]

Chances are you’re not getting HoF because you can’t dodge spikes on Painsmith or you can’t snap chains fast enough on soulrender

Not because your class doesn’t go BRRRR

[strange python]

And chances are if you're outside HoF your guild isn't very good and you should do what you can to maximize your odds.

[sharp zodiac]

LOL WUT

[bleak sky]

[strange python]

How is that a complex thought to you

[kind quiver]

People will always play best what they enjoy most. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[dark token]

[kind quiver]

What’s HoF?

[sharp zodiac]

Hall of fame

[fiery mauve]

Weren’t you saying people just wanna play subt cause it’s been dog shit for forever, not because it’s better than sim

[sharp zodiac]

Top 100 horde and alliance CE

[strange python]

No. I wasn't. But you should try reading.

[fiery mauve]

And here you are trying to say the player base should play fotm

[spice spire]

No way. If you’re not HoF, it actually doesn’t matter the speed at which you do content. So you can play whatever at that point

[dark token]

And people in bronze should play the pro meta picks in league of legends because they are bad by your logic

[strange python]

Nope.

[dark token]

[shy dust]

People will almost always prefer assa

It’s just easier to do well on

[kind quiver]

Oh, I’m outside of that because I’m old and tired.

[spice spire]

You could argue FotM for speeding through HoF. But arguing for a CE 2k guild is kinda weird

[strange python]

"I will intentionally put on the ankle weights because my mediocre guild should be more mediocre"

[dark token]

Not to mention arguing this right now when all 3 rogue specs are virtually fucking equal is asinine

[strange python]

What part of your addled brain read that and thinks that I think sub is worse?

Can you quote the part where I said worse or sub optimal?

[fiery mauve]

You said people are playing subt cause it’s close but it’s objectively better

[strange python]

No.

[sharp zodiac]

I’d rather your play mechanically solid and still do GREAT DPS and be happy about what you wanna play than switch specs or class to play like shit for a couple weeks while you learn it

[strange python]

You said that I said people are self nerfing with sub. You just said it.

Now quote me

[fiery mauve]

I… I did

[strange python]

Find your nutsack and your brain

No. You quoted something different.

Tell me where I said sub is worse

[hollow escarp]

[fiery mauve]

You said people are only playing subtlety because it’s close to sin and people wanna play subtlety

[strange python]

$10,000 to the charity of your choice. Show me where I said sub is worse.

[fiery mauve]

And then argued people should play meta

But subt is meta…

[spice spire]

[sharp zodiac]

CE raiding outside HoF is very much being able to withstand the grind and keep your raiders happy through a couple hundred pulls. They can play what they want

[strange python]

So you can't.

[dull cloak]

is this the limit max said x so x must apply to everything argument again

[fiery mauve]

idk

I think this guy is Ashton Kutcher

[strange python]

I said if the two were dead equal people would be playing sub right now because they've been stuck on sin for three years. Tell me where you read me saying sub is worse

Since that's what you're accusing me of saying.

[sharp zodiac]

Look man I’m just trying to eat some lunch and entertain myself it ain’t that serious

[strange python]

Again. 10k to the charity of your choice.

[shy dust]

I disagree

[strange python]

Just because your mouth doesn't close doesn't mean you can put words in mine. Don't tell me I said something I didn't.

[shy dust]

Sub is better currently

And people are preferring assa

[frigid kestrel]

What in sams hell is going on here?

[shy dust]

To a noticeable amount

[fiery mauve]

We’re being pranked

[frigid kestrel]

Like why is this conversation even a thing?

[bleak sky]

a whole lotta nothing

[fallen arch]

Same, I’d swap classes before going sub

[shy dust]

Assa has nearly 4k more parses in M

[sharp zodiac]

Or just don’t be smelly vampire boys

[shy dust]

And 50k more parses on heroic

[fiery mauve]

Tried that argument already

[shy dust]

Despite sub being better

[fiery mauve]

It didn’t go through

[strange python]

Or youre being a degen mouthbrearher and trying to put words in my mouth.

[shy dust]

Logs show the opposite

[strange python]

You made a very specific claim. Back it up.

[outer lotus]

chill out

[strange python]

You told me I said something.

[shy dust]

@cobalt pelican hello my rival Plode

[fiery mauve]

Hey man I get more oxygen mouth breathing

[cobalt pelican]

just another afternoon in small iq town

[fallen arch]

No he’s not

[outer lotus]

everybody that doesnt calm down gets a mute

[strange python]

He's telling me I said something I never said.

[outer lotus]

idc

[shy dust]

ForeverGuy sucks

[strange python]

Lead in the water.

[spice spire]

Just post video of you eating kiwi with skin. That’ll inflict pain

[sharp zodiac]

Know any good food spots around here

[fallen arch]

I was gonna get Koffing

[spice spire]

Shien

[bleak sky]

sims been running for 5+ minutes

[fallen arch]

[wooden knot]

is there a way to turn off the dom shard set bonus on raidbots? (or, does dungeon slice automatically remove it?)

[bleak sky]

dslice removes the bonus

[wooden knot]

kk thanks

[bleak sky]

you can also untick the "set bonus" box down below

[spice spire]

Yes - there’s a button you can click, and I’m almost positive dslice removes anyway

[winged basin]

People are so quick to be hostile

[frigid kestrel]

It usually doesn’t happen in the Sin channel

[winged basin]

Yes it does lmfao

[frigid kestrel]

Shits weird

[strange python]

That's what happens when someone tells you what you said, when you never said it.

[winged basin]

This channel ALWAYS poppin with something

[frigid kestrel]

Na, not this bad

[fallen arch]

It does, but never by someone with a red name

[frigid kestrel]

It’s usually not this hostile

[winged basin]

^^^^

[slow marsh]

Wow I look away for 5 mins and this happens

[winged basin]

shit even I was in a scuffle the other day and all I did was say I full sent frost and told someone asking a question to sim and got my parses called out