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lean coral
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this is assuming you're full clearing heroic and some mythic

lone wren
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and start looking for crit gear

bleak sky
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full set r4 is only 90 embers?

wind totem
obtuse robin
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r4-r5 3 weeks 1 shard per week

wintry mica
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no thats each upgrade

loud trench
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i just have the frost set and no UH helm so prolly just going full send on frost and R4 DS

bleak sky
cedar crater
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so what are the dom gems simming like? or should i just run my own sim?

wintry mica
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300 total to max out a set

lean coral
# wind totem Ofc I am lol.

i mean gotta ask some people be in here simming like crazy and theyre in a guild stuck on heroic painsmith

wind totem
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Fair point.

kind veldt
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@cedar crater always run your own sims

lean coral
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yeah rank 3 frost beats my r4 unholy

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looks like we start upgrading unholy

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i need go farm out more crit gear

hollow talon
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well u need dashing also to make it work

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with frost

fleet atlas
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My crit is only 27% so frost isn't looking great on me yet

hollow talon
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and its only for ST

obtuse robin
kind veldt
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Need that juicy sylv ring @lean coral

lean coral
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yeah 2 of my frost gems are only rank 1

bleak sky
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bye bye MoTS dagger, hello plaguefall dagger

lone wren
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another good idea (imo) for frost is that outlaw frost is killing the sims right now, both st and aoe, so it's just a good investment to go that route

lean coral
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the dps one is rank 3

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so i can get the other 2 to rank 3 easily

lone wren
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if you are like me and not enjoying sub much at all lol

lean coral
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i havent been raiding as sub

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play it in keys tho

obtuse robin
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u been giving some awful takes today

lean coral
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i hate outlaw personally tho

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always have since rtb was introduced

real bay
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frost is not bad for outlaw

lone wren
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i actually think sub is more fun for me in raids, in keys it's just a 2 button spam and i get bored

timid talon
real bay
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it doesnt even work in m+

obtuse robin
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it wouldnt work in m+ anywasy

lone wren
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well outlaw's aoe output independent of frost bonus is great anyway, now frost is putting its single target ahead of everyone else too

obtuse robin
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bro

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read

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bf does not crit

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outlaw getign very little from frost aoe

pure osprey
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lol

timid talon
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your feelings about outlaw don't change the fact its going to be better for raid though

lone wren
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..... 😦

slow marsh
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the reason outlaw skyrocketed after frost buffs is because ghostly strikes also increases the proc's dmg

obtuse robin
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st tho is absudrd

lone wren
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outlaw aoe superiority has nothing to do with frost gems or any set bonuses ffs

obtuse robin
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?

lone wren
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it's just that frost set bonus is making outlaw also a strong ST spec right now

obtuse robin
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u said frost is doing good for outlaw aoe

lone wren
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no

slow marsh
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So yes, with appropriate gear and such outlaw will blast. But it will be a while for most people to get to that point

wind totem
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yes

lone wren
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i said frost is doing good for outlaw becaue it's raising its single target damage , adding to its already superior aoe

obtuse robin
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and aoe

lone wren
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outlaw is killing sims in aoe and ST

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are you incapable of reading?

obtuse robin
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with frost

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u said

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im done lol

lone wren
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not once in that sentence did i say frost gem is making its aoe stronger

wind totem
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yes you did

lean coral
keen gyro
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Hey, so I read in yhe FAQ that maldraxxi and venthyr are pretty much the same dmg wise, but it seems like everyone here is going venthyr- why that?🤔

wind totem
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lmao

obtuse robin
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its w/e lets continue our tc

lone wren
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i mean read the quote

wind totem
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Your whole premise was that "frost outlaw" is killing it in both st and aoe

lone wren
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look at punctuation

slow marsh
pale plank
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Oh shit, here we go coolpanda

lone wren
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it's literally right there what i said lol

wind totem
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Exactly which is hilarious that you are arguing against it

lone wren
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.....

pure osprey
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@lone wren i dont get the confusion, made sense to me

verbal imp
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is theotar simbait?

slow marsh
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simbait doesn't exist

lean coral
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he sims higher for you?

keen gyro
slow marsh
verbal imp
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according to ST he's simming better for me, yeah

nocturne herald
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Showing -99 DPS switching to frost + upgrading my legendary cape 1 rank using scoundrel

obtuse robin
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to open vault as outlaw or not

keen gyro
slow marsh
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theotar triple potency will sim higher if you are doomblade and using maim

lone wren
strange python
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Does dashing frost impact windfury values?

slow marsh
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yeah

strange python
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My DHs have convinced our team that they're better in the wf group

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And I'm sure that's wrong

slow marsh
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negative ghost rider

lean coral
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its like warrior > dh isnt it

slow marsh
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we were already bigger than DH before dashing

strange python
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Yeah, but without the updated comparison my RL isn't gonna change it up

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Sorry quick question, what is the main hand enchant for our dagger?

wind totem
strange python
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And yes, arms>rogue>rest

lean coral
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wait how many dh's do you have?

bleak sky
strange python
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2 dh, 1 unholy, 1 enh, 1 warrior, me

strange silo
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How cursed is it that frost t4 is 350 dps higher then t4 unholy at this point?

lean coral
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fuck the unholy in that situation no?

bleak sky
strange python
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ok thx!

lone wren
keen gyro
bleak sky
obtuse robin
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classes that dont break the frost cap

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hopefull wont nerf

main hearth
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So unholy still better?

bleak sky
hollow talon
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frost better if u want to play nadija DS/BS with dash

bleak sky
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for example: frost is simming higher for me (way higher) even with EP/Vigor/Obedience

keen gyro
bleak sky
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so you really have to sim for yourself

pale plank
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I would just wait for that Pin talking about which one is better, too much info going around right now about this or that is better

bleak sky
pale plank
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Yep, but someone early said frost is a trap

real bay
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or just wait for logs and look at this week

pale plank
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Which I didn’t believe

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But I would just wait

fleet atlas
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@strange python there is a windfury chart pinned in wow-general. Should be enough to convince that rogue is considerably better for it than anything in the group but the warrior

bleak sky
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they said outlaw frost was a trap, no?

real bay
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eventually none of this matters when everyone has all shards maxed

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you can just swap for each boss if you want

obtuse robin
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outlaw frost def not a trap

strange python
obtuse robin
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mine sims higher then my sin and it doesnt have a 252 mh like my sin does

bleak sky
obtuse robin
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but the thing with outlaw is it gains so much more dps from upgrading celereity ring to 262

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so much stats

fleet atlas
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@strange python I mean if anything the unholy should be out. It doesn't do much for them

pale plank
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Man if only they weren’t pirates

bleak sky
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if only they weren't 500apm

placid dawn
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Do you actually be targeting a mob so shadowgrasp gets the cdr? or is it just anything that dies within its range triggers the cdr?

shy dust
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It is accurate for DHs

bleak sky
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Is the Avade/Limit windfury dh still a thing?

shy dust
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They were wrong

bleak sky
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yeah but it seems the dhs are full on copium

agile geode
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So sin "worse" now?

pale plank
nocturne geode
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dashing frost set go burrr

bleak sky
obtuse robin
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that is if u want to play outlaw with GS MFD and KS

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eeww

pale plank
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Hell no, I wanna poison and make people bleed

rustic whale
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what about stats for dashing-frost? crit mastery?

obtuse robin
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crit haste

rustic whale
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i assume crit should be higher due to frost shards?

obtuse robin
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yes

rustic whale
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any sims available atm?

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or we need to wait tomorrow?

nocturne geode
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im using rank 3 of it right now

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its almost double what it was yesterday

pale plank
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@nocturne geode how is it at rank3v

nocturne geode
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damage wise

pale plank
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U mean leggo or shards?

nocturne geode
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lego and shards

bleak sky
fleet atlas
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Not looking for a definitive answer just speculating here but do yall think prioritizing crit and going scoundrel is gonna make decanter of endless howling good?

nocturne geode
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ending some bosses in my top 6 damage done or so , so far

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i like it

rustic whale
delicate heath
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could someone help me with leggo upgrade? I was waiting till today to upgrade my leggo to 6 am I just best upgrading dashing to 6 now over OB and DB? I was gonna do doom for the ST (I Have all frost gems waiting on shoulders to drop) so not sure whats best.

bleak sky
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highly dependent on your gear

loud hearth
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On 2/3 targets: Do I still press Shiv on CD, and should I still apply bleeds to secondary target during Shiv window? (Doomblade, PB, Necro)

ivory hinge
polar ice
real bay
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will be interesting to see how many will bother going with BS DS

bleak sky
obtuse robin
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at r4 bs/ds only 70 dps ahead and have to craft 249 dahsing

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ima wait

ivory hinge
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dropping 4 ilvl to stack crit and run a rank 3 DS is a 300 dps increase going to rank 3 frost from rank 3 unholy

obtuse robin
dim ledge
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If outlaw is highest single target it will likely just be best overall spec right?

lone wren
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that what i was saying earlier

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frost is making its single target ahead of all other specs, and they were already ahead on aoe.

bleak sky
lone wren
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not sure if they will get a nerf or something (i doubt it) but as of now with how things stand, yes outlaw is the superior rogue spec (strictly numbers wise)

late grove
delicate heath
clever kindle
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Roll the bones buffs is about it

pale plank
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Haven’t played them since legion

clever kindle
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now outlaw is just the guy that mugs you outside the goldshire inn with a pistol

pale plank
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Lmao

lone wren
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i still wanna know what an outlaw rogue does with their other sword in middle of combat when they pull out their gun ...it feels like you need 3 arms to be an outlaw rogue in wow ...but we only have 2 ...

clever kindle
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the obvious answer is you weld the gun to the sword

pale plank
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They should have just left it at combat

limber swallow
clever kindle
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PES_HappyGun Purging

lone wren
vast forum
pale plank
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But yea looking at the sim numbers they are posting are insane, idk if it’s a trap or not

clever kindle
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I'd be happy if they let outlaw use glaives, and they kind of are, but not really. Depends on the boss, but keep in mind without the ability to constantly be resetting cooldowns things get thrown off a lot

pale plank
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I will stick to Sin to make my life easier

clever kindle
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Whereas sin and sub are known values

pale plank
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Not ready for that 900apm class yet

worthy moon
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It's only 900apm during AR

lone wren
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the only concerning thing is, because of how much higher they are in ST they might get a nerf, but based on the nature of how they became so OP ...it's kind of hard to tune them down without needing a lot of rework which blizzard doesn't like to do mid patch, which is why i said i doubt they will get nerfed in 8.1, but none of us really knows. We can only go by the info we have now.

clever kindle
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oh man if you have to use the current talent setup

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People gonna break their fingers

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Marked for Death, Ghostly Strike, and Killing spree are the simmed talents for the frost build

tall pawn
real bay
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someone can trade you the boots

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dagger is rarer

lone wren
hollow talon
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KS isnt too hard to use just need to be careful

worthy moon
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It's 100% dagger every time, right?

clever kindle
hollow talon
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GS u sjust sent on CD

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and MFD u need to use mouseover sometimes

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its not that bad

clever kindle
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If you got the dagger and then another item to fix your stat balances you'd have a higher ceiling

tall pawn
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That's what I was thinking

lone wren
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it's very fast paced, specially compared to sin and will get a bit of getting used to, but it's a lot of fun.

worthy moon
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Ghostly strike is like a less toxic Essence Break

clever kindle
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ghostly is nice because it resets from restless blades as well

worthy moon
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Where you don't lose 5-10% DPS for fucking up your essence break

clever kindle
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with mfd its cake to have everything up when you need it

delicate smelt
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dont tell me, outlaw will be leading spec

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fck sake no, please

lone wren
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i need to build my outlaw legendary which i was going to ...but now i have to think about dashing on sin and this whole thing has been annoying

fleet anchor
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It's been the top simming build since BfA at most points

lone wren
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they should give DH's bladedance 100% dodge to KS 😄

delicate smelt
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i mean, i cant make better numbers as outlaw on single target as assa

clever kindle
fleet anchor
clever kindle
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but with killing spree being an energy generator, mfd which tends to reset things slightly faster, and increased gear levels its feeling nice now

fleet anchor
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But seriously, people do just need to sim their own gear and combos

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BiS setups are irrelevant for most people

clever kindle
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Yep like even though we got cutting edge I never got stone legion shoulders so really I should have been using a different set up

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but SHRUGGERS

lone wren
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i suspect many people are simming shard set bonuses incorrectly and getting varied results too

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or simming without the piece that activates the set bonus etc

alpine latch
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The shard bonuses are fucking weird, IMO

clever kindle
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All I know is im excited for my frost buff tonight

alpine latch
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Having to select to replace gems seems very unintuitive IMO

clever kindle
fleet anchor
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Like it's always good to know what the ideal setups are in theory for farm but mostly you need to research what is best for what you have available right now

lone wren
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^^^^

alpine latch
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Sadly... I'm considering buying a heroic Sylvanas kill this week any hoping I can get the damn dagger 😦

lone wren
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so much that, if your guild is going into a prog kill tonight, does it matter what set up will be BiS for you 4 weeks from now? (that is assuming you even get lucky with your drops and dont get 4 belts in your GV like i did)

hollow talon
clever kindle
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Might be puggable soon if it isnt already

hollow talon
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and still not got it

alpine latch
pale plank
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Just remember that everyweek it goes by it gets easier and easier to kill sylv

clever kindle
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Yep it's always like that, sucks at first, but look for maybe a high ilvl pug group sometimes you can squeeze by with enough ilvl

pale plank
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So sooner or later u guys will get it

real bay
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@alpine latch there is a WA that changes your dom gems just needs some setup

lone wren
alpine latch
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I meant on raidbots, not in game

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Although thanks for letting me know.. I'll definitely check that out

real pewter
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How is the dashing scoundrel build looking?

thorny pond
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fun

alpine latch
real pewter
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What if you're necro?

alpine latch
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Supposedly it'll get stronger at r4 and r5

thorny pond
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sim it mang

alpine latch
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No clue - sim it

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I can only speak for my sims

real pewter
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hard to sim when frost changes aren't in raidbots, right?

alpine latch
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They are

thorny pond
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they are

real pewter
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oh, nice

alpine latch
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They were added a few hours ago

thorny pond
fleet anchor
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They are but it might be slightly oversimming atm

alpine latch
real pewter
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Frost simming higher than unholy now

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just baseline for me

vestal wren
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thats not by a lot

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also as koji mentioned, it seems frost currently oversim slightly

real pewter
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how come?

vestal wren
fleet anchor
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They changed the spell data slightly for the hotfix

real pewter
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gotcha

strange python
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what am i missing. Is this just worth when we're decked out?

vestal wren
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did you use dashing?

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did you sim with nadja?

strange python
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well that's a sub sim

real pewter
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wtf 10k

vestal wren
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nadja still better with frost maybe

strange python
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kk will try

vestal wren
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frost is still not nessecerly the best choice for your gear

real pewter
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i both hate how there is no firm answer and love it

strange python
uneven summit
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is it worth making Doomblade 262 now and building towards frost+dashing ?

strange python
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are we not all going to be playing outlaw

vestal wren
real pewter
uneven summit
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doomblade is stronger atm for my gear, but i mean it´s jsut a few more ranks and then some crit right

real pewter
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However, I am necro

strange silo
strange python
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I don't see why you'd stick to assassination

fallen arch
winged basin
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and mfers meme'd me cause I full sent frost

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smh my head

thorny pond
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toadie is usually right

real bay
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TC's say frost higher ranks oversim

thorny pond
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not even being a memer

winged basin
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aNd tHatS whY yOu dOnT pArSe

real bay
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id just wait for fixes

winged basin
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pretty sure fixes went in with patch.

pure moth
winged basin
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blue post said they "identified a bug with the Winds of Winter preventing some damage and healing abilities from counting towards its total"

fallen arch
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Luckily they didn’t identify anything wrong with sbs as of this moment

real bay
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i am not saying its bugged in game but in sims

real pewter
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Is it seeming like dashing is only viable for venthyr?

sinful citrus
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With my current setup frost beats unholy and dashing is beating obedience

winged basin
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this is important too ^^^ with my memer message about being frost already ALWAYS SIM YOURSELF

sinful citrus
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Shouldn't have full sent the unholy shards last week lol

winged basin
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BiS is subjective asf, always sim.

coral jasper
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Wait, is dashing now bether than doomblade and for how much?

winged basin
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Sim it.

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Sim sim sim sim sim sim sim

vestal wren
winged basin
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nobody in here can tell you what is preforming better with your current gear set. always sim.

sinful citrus
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Will depend on your gear I have high crit and vers with almost no mastery

vestal wren
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and frost is currently overcoming slightly, give the simc devs some time to fix this

slow marsh
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yeah bis doesn't really matter if you can't get there 😛

sinful citrus
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Do we have an estimate how much it's oversimming? My Sim was just with r4 frost but it was beating uh shards by like 4%

vestal wren
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depends on the rank

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it mainly oversims on higher ranks

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because blizz changed their spell data

kind talon
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lmao

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it will beat that 100%

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no questions asked

mental girder
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How do you get daggers to actually drop so I can stop using my 220s. For fucks sake

lavish lichen
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Grind grind grind

coral jasper
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Ez,do keys and loot from sylvanas

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Ezzzzzz 😄

sinful citrus
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If I could give away my spare mists daggers I would I seen 2 of them last week and then looted a 252 from my vault today

strange python
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garbo

kind talon
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ur fried

vestal wren
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he sims 10k

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so not that fried

strange python
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you right

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i am fried

kind talon
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the sim is fried

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fair enough

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do it again with shard of dyz im interested in the result

bleak sky
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goblin rogue

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disgusting

strange python
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it really doesn't matter cause extending at this point and wont have upgraded frost or blood before we kill sylvanas

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so

kind talon
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cause im a fan of sub blodo

kind talon
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fair enough

strange python
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And after that i aint playing

kind talon
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how many embers do you have? could be the case that a rank 3 blood might beat a rank 4 unholy

strange python
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rank 3 is a downgrade

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rank 4 slight upgrade

grizzled orbit
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So I just acquired all 3 frost shards. What lvl should I upgrade them to?

vestal wren
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i would hold on with upgrading

grizzled orbit
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kk

vestal wren
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till the fixes are pushed to raidbots

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so you can sim it

alpine latch
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Do you guys run EP/Vigor/PB for all fights?

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WCL is down for my fiber line at work, so I can't see what the top parses are running

frigid kestrel
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does anything build wise change with dashing giving you extra energy? or is that gain not big enough to not go Vigor and/or Blindside?

kind veldt
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@alpine latch a lot of logs are private as well, sim your character, typically BS+DS sims higher

limber lion
drowsy hollow
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229 dagger, woo. If nothing else I can upgrade that later

limber lion
frigid kestrel
alpine latch
placid pagoda
limber lion
frigid kestrel
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Still not sure if im even going to make dashing.... torg is such a drag

nocturne herald
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I've tried substituting with r4 frost and different legendaries and it's always about a 1-2% loss to go Frost > Unholy. Is it like a haste/crit thing?

alpine latch
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So, Soulrender, Fatescribe, and KT .. Got it. Thanks dude.

limber lion
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No worries mate.

alpine latch
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I need to start simming talents if I go Dashing also, to see if that changes anything.

somber hill
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is dashing bis with unholy now too? or just frost?

mental girder
half quarry
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i simmed with my current crit 262 obv/dashing/bloodfang (42 % current crit withf frost shards) dashing was most damage

finite yarrow
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is IQD a bait?

alpine latch
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Nope

obtuse robin
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i assume it even gained a little bit of value with frost

alpine latch
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Yeah, once I equipped the frost bonus it skyrocketed for me

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It's still not as good a Phial though, that I can tell.

mortal pike
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so if I still at this point dont even have all my forst shards

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should I just make 262 doomblade?

alpine latch
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I wouldn't

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What do you have right now?

mortal pike
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225 doomblade lol

alpine latch
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I'm making r4s of everything and going from there. I have a r6 Obedience which is great for now

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If you're Venthyr and want a one-size-fits-all legendary, Obedience is great. It's not the best for m+ or ST, but it's extremely close for both

proven moth
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I'm still waiting the sims sadge

alpine latch
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Just sim your character

winged basin
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always

floral moss
winged basin
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sim

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yo

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self

proven moth
dusky smelt
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Hi, if I can get PI do I want it on vendetta or flagellation?

winged basin
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is that a trick question?

alpine latch
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Look at this kid who gets PI

proven moth
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Imagine waste PI on a rogue kekW

floral moss
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PI me

dusky smelt
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In dungeons with my friend

alpine latch
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My friends PI the tank

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I need better friends

proven moth
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Mine the lock or boomie

zinc frost
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Can sync it with vendetta, same CD

west viper
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that feeling when you got impatient and spent all your embers on blood shds

alpine latch
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One of our priests specifically PIs people after their CDs are over

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Because he thinks it's hilarious

winged basin
hollow river
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So On cleave like the nine, should I open normally with CDs on main target, then when CDs are done switch to cleaving?

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Or should I get an extra rupture and CT off then blow CDs

tribal marsh
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Did I miss general shard sims somewhere or are they still being worked on?

winged basin
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frost still sims higher than its supposed to

hollow river
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Check sub pins

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I think

vestal wren
tribal marsh
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Thanks fuu

upbeat needle
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did I just

hollow river
upbeat needle
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not get renown from my return lost souls quest

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what is going on

winged basin
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wait @vestal wren is that even true

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someone said it earlier

vestal wren
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raidbots currently is oversimming slightly, so you need to wait till the new builld is live

winged basin
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word

vestal wren
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i reverted my pin to the estimate

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because that didn't oversim

hollow river
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So they didn’t fix procs in game?

vestal wren
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they did

winged basin
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it is fixed in game

vestal wren
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but they changed the spell to be split in multiple

hollow river
#

Then why is it over simming

vestal wren
#

instead of just changing a modifier

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so this means the set bonus is atm oversimming slightly on higher ranks

hollow river
#

Ah

vestal wren
#

but its already fixed in simc and serialos is already starting to rebuild it on raidbots

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so soon™️ the fix is live

hollow river
#

Kk

limber swallow
# vestal wren so soon™️ the fix is live

can you guys go submit a PR to fix bone spike in this game called world of warcraft? I'm sure this group would get it done faster than that small indy dev company that currently works on it.

hollow river
#

Will it be weekly or nightly

vestal wren
mortal pike
#

252 decanter sims 10 dps higher than my phial

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pog

hollow river
#

O.o

balmy anvil
#

do i have to have the dom slot gear in my possession in order to sim for the frost set? top gear will not let me select the three frost shards along with the dom slot boots in my vault. i only have 2 pieces of gear with slots on me (shoulder and hands, so the frost bonus would be active if i got a third piece)

hollow river
#

No

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Click the enchants/gems check box

balmy anvil
#

then any idea what the issue could be?

hollow river
#

At top of the enchants/gems window

balmy anvil
#

oof thx

hollow river
#

Ye

solar willow
#

!stats

prisma monolithBOT
#

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

bright turret
#

Is SBS still bugged?

hollow river
bright turret
#

just a cov ability barely working, no biggy after 2 weeks I guess

hollow river
#

Ikr :/

solar willow
#

crit > haste?

hollow river
#

=/=

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You want decent crit

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And decent haste

#

But sims will tell you what you need

solar willow
#

actually 30% crit, 29% haste and 9% versa, for raid i think is need more versa

hollow river
#

Nah

agile oar
#

wait that so much haste

hollow river
#

Whatever gear sims tell you to use

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Haste is good

agile oar
#

what is the lowest haste i can have on sin to be able to play

hollow river
#

0%

solar willow
#

i think for sin, haste its so good

agile oar
#

that's a big lie

hollow river
#

No it’s not

#

You don’t need any certain amount of any stat to play assassination

balmy anvil
#

its not unplayable at 0 but it sure isnt fun lol, i remember 12% wasnt fun

hollow river
#

You can literally run 0% haste in dungeons I know for a fact and be 100% fine

agile oar
#

yeah i know for mythic plus you dont need it

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but thats every class

solar willow
#

your energy cry xd

hollow river
#

Haste doesn’t benefit energy regen as much as you might think

agile oar
#

bleed dots and finishers do

hollow river
#

Your bleeds being up on target(s) give you more energy than your haste does

#

Ye

agile oar
#

but isnt sin highest damage for raid its melee

hollow river
#

No

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Oh

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You mean like your damage breakdown?

#

No

solar willow
#

u suggest what for m+? crit>mastery>versa>haste

#

?

hollow river
#

Normally envenom

agile oar
#

yeah

hollow river
agile oar
#

thats for m+

hollow river
agile oar
#

i more meant for raid

hollow river
#

I mean haste is good I’m not denying that

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But there’s no set amount of any stat you need

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You can do fine with lower haste

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Knowing how to play the spec will get you much farther

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Than any stats will

agile oar
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lol

hollow river
#

And atm it’s looking like if we go to frost shards instead of unholy

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We will stack crit above all else

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And use dashing scoundrel legendary

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But ofc that’s all optional and not necessary

buoyant schooner
#

are we frost shards now?

hollow river
#

Still waiting for proper implementation in raidbots

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Then you can sim yourself to see

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But possibly becoming “bis” yeah

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Frost is about to make outlaw #1 in single target

agile oar
#

just go for the unholy it probably more consistent damage

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to be fair

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its up time is nuts

hushed timber
#

How can I sim other sets if I only have unholy set in my bags? I see the choices for the shards but not sure how to add the other gear pieces to sim?

buoyant schooner
#

hmm, and if we move to Dashing Scoundrel , what would be the slot?

hollow river
hollow river
buoyant schooner
#

ty ty

#

oh wow, another cloak leggo

loud trench
#

is there a way to sim the gear you dont have? I am missing UH head and have not upgraded any shards yet and dont want to make the wrong choice of going frost vs UH

wintry mica
#

do yall usually run torg as sin, or swap?

hushed timber
hollow river
#

No the 2nd one

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You have it checked

#

You just have to click the shards in the shard window

halcyon zealot
hushed timber
#

It still doesn't sim with the set bonuses it seems

#

Unholy still like 400+ dps than the rest

hollow river
#

Somewhere on the page

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Make sure u know which rank your applying

hushed timber
#

meh, I'm blind

hollow river
#

All those different names are different ranks

hushed timber
#

Im applying all the same ranks

hollow river
#

“Ominous” etc

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Kk

hushed timber
#

Yep

hollow river
#

Frost doesn’t pull ahead until rank 4-5

#

Iirc

hushed timber
#

I applied the last rank for all

hollow river
#

Try applying dashing scoundrel legendary

#

Also you need high crit

#

The proper frost shard effect isn’t implemented on raidbots yet

#

It might just not pull ahead for your profile atm

worthy moon
#

Quick question! The FAQ seems to say on single target Obedience > Doomblade but Sims and top logs seem to say the opposite. I'm finally getting to main swap Rogue tonight and only have enough ash for one. I assume I just follow the sims and go Doomblade?

hushed timber
#

oh I see, thought it was updated cause they say it is at the top of raidbots

hollow river
hollow river
#

It should be slightly over simming

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But like I said, your profile, so your miles may vary

#

Everyone’s profile is different

slow marsh
hollow river
#

For “bis” profile with frost

worthy moon
narrow ravine
#

I was expecting the final power in the soulbind tree would be more than... 69 dps

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I simmed and didnt see any increase and then simmed between having it and not having it and yeah. its kinda shitty

worthy moon
#

The tea thing?

mortal pike
#

So any other thoughts on how much I'd regret making a 262 doomblade right now?

narrow ravine
#

oh im necro / bonesmith

mortal pike
#

as a necro gamer

hollow haven
mortal pike
#

I haven't done it yet LOL

#

but like

#

I dont even have 3 frost shards yet

narrow ravine
#

im using doomblade on necro, its great

mortal pike
#

got full unholy

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and im necro

hollow haven
#

i have then played sub and never touched that leggo

mortal pike
#

yeaaaa

hollow haven
#

rip my soul cinders

narrow ravine
#

ive simmed dashing a few times and its never really a huge leap away from doomblade

#

for me

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only rank 4 frost set so far

mortal pike
#

With the way the bonus works is tbetter to upgrade them all evently or like

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1 at a time

hushed timber
#

All evenly

real pewter
#

Anyone know if there is a way to plug in a legendary item in the "gear compare" section of raid bots?

strange python
#

Holy. Soulrender trinket suddenly huge with frost set

#

Sims updated for ticking trink nerf?

real pewter
#

which trinket?

grizzled orbit
#

If low rank frost crystals out sim any other shards I have equipped, I guess I should just switch, right?

#

instead of waiting for updated sims

strange python
rancid pier
#

How would you open on a fight with 2 bosses. Would you do you normal opener on one of them the spread bleeds to the second one after?

real pewter
#

gotcha

#

I'm really having a hard time trying to sim domination sockets because I don't have a fully upgraded Dashing

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And I have virtually no clue how to get Raidbots to sim higher ranks of frost gems

#

anyone willing to help out?

half quarry
#

u can use gear compare in raidbots 😄

#

thats why i did

nova gulch
#

Is dashing the new lego to go?

half quarry
#

if u using frost shards aparently

warm plover
#

So frost set + Dashing sims higher than doomblade for me but I heard somewhere that its an simtrap, wdy guys think about it?

narrow ravine
#

id wait and see how it flushes out, but if you have to build one now, doom is safer bet

#

make dashing later if needed

wild beacon
warm plover
sharp zodiac
uneven hamlet
#

Just upgraded my obe to 262 thinking it was my doomblade lmao

real pewter
#

You're a legend @wild beacon

wintry mica
lyric crater
#

if u have the frost shard

real pewter
rigid monolith
#

Doomblade + Necro + Unholy its fine. As long as you play decent. Don't feel scared / bad cause there is a combination that does 2% more dps on sims. We still hit like a fucking truck

wintry mica
#

you are only simming with ep/vig

#

dashing uses bs/ds

real pewter
#

I like min-maxing, but also it's fun to play around with new builds

#

so it's an exciting day for me

#

kk let me try resim

rigid monolith
#

Hehe it deffinetly is!

wintry mica
#

not if you are like me and low on soul ash

left loom
#

how come that normal edge of night 233 sims worse than 226 ofhand dagger

real pewter
#

Reminds me of legion when every class didn't just use 1 legendary with a passive effect CryBoy

#

Cause EoN kinda dick for ass rogues

grand echo
#

something is wrong

wintry mica
#

yea offhand sylv dagger should beat like any other dagger almost

real pewter
#

Still shows dashing at like a 37 dps decrease even with better gems.

#

Again, could be simming wrong cause i'm new to this level of sim fuckery

wintry mica
#

necrolord probably pushing doomblade ahead since iirc the bleed counts

grand echo
#

you need high crit + 4-5 rank frost gems.

real pewter
#

yep, that's what I was thinking as well

ruby oyster
#

how long does it take for unholy to proc?

wintry mica
#

a long time

rigid monolith
real pewter
#

Frost seems to still be outsimming unholy though

#

even on necro

rigid monolith
#

is my experience

ruby oyster
#

soo if frost and unholy are kinda even then i guess frost is more reliable?

real pewter
#

Seems that way

rigid monolith
#

On single target yes

#

On multi Unholy > Frost

real pewter
#

most fights are ST in SoD too

#

Only a 23 dps increase with frost atm

#

so maybe not even worth it

wintry mica
#

are you simming same rank UH and frost?

real pewter
#

yeah

wild beacon
#

i need way more crit before i even think about dashing/frost. unholy and doom still fine until then

real pewter
#

I have them both at desolate atm

#

is there a certain crit chance we should be aiming for?

wintry mica
#

whenever sim tells you to swap thats when you have enough crit lol

real pewter
#

I guess the margin here is pretty thin which is why I ask

wintry mica
#

general I see people with closer to 40% or 1000ish crit rating it seems like

#

but its still to early to know for sure

real pewter
#

Unholy at max comes out 3 dps ahead

wintry mica
#

are you simming different conduits?

real pewter
#

not atm, which conduits should I consider?

wintry mica
#

maim with doomblade is outsimming for me and some others that I've seen

#

outsimming steel

real pewter
#

yeah maim always outsims by a bit for me as well

#

But it wont' change gem prio I don't think

wintry mica
#

yea, i think the differences are going to be pretty minor

fleet anchor
real pewter
#

Okay now things are getting wild with my sims and Idk what I changed

#

This is with max upgrades

#

unholy at 40 dps lower

wintry mica
#

people were saying earlier today that frost was only pulling ahead at like r4/5

real pewter
#

Gotcha, so I wonder if it'll be worth the investment then

#

A little part of me is concerned Blizzard is going to fuck something up

wintry mica
#

i mean if outlaw is actually as good as it looks they already did fuck up

fleet anchor
#

Frost seems pretty neutral at R3 for my setup

real pewter
#

What happened with outlaw?

#

i'm out of the loop

fleet anchor
#

Outlaw just gains more from Frost than most specs

real pewter
#

Due to the increased crit chance?

wintry mica
#

at bis gear it sims like 800 dps ahead of sin

#

ST

real pewter
#

holy

#

I don't want to learn the harder spec 😦

#

jk sounds like fun

#

Then investing in frost seems like a better bet for multi-specs too

wintry mica
#

sin is very easy to do competive damage on while still doing mechanics

real pewter
#

Big true. Outlaw is real fun though, just requires a lot more investment to perform.

If only Shards worked in M+ so it could b efun to test out outside of raids and dailies

real bay
#

outlaw isn't hard xd just takes some time to get used to

frigid sleet
#

so frost changes has been implemented in raidbot nightly and is slitghly oversiming right now ?

real pewter
#

Just a lot of things to keep track of @real bay

solemn plaza
#

Outlaw isn't hard, but you will get carpal tunnel

real bay
#

yes a lotta spam

wintry mica
#

but yes the sims are updated

frigid sleet
#

well its only a +40 dps for me and considering its apparently oversiming, i'm alright

real pewter
#

Wonder if it's oversimming by a lot

wintry mica
#

I dont know anything about frost oversimming

real pewter
#

could be by a really marginal amount

fleet anchor
#

I mean similarly to Frost for Assassination

#

Unless you actually have a good setup for Outlaw, it isn't just going to be magically better

#

With my available gear, Outlaw still sims about 200 DPS lower than Assassination even with Frost. It will all depend on if you have weapons/conduits/legendaries/etc.

#

There's no silver bullet here

wintry mica
#

true, but swapping to outlaw should be fairly easy since dont they general want crit and haste also?

fleet anchor
#

Yes if you can get weapons and Conduits

wintry mica
#

im gunna be real mad when i end up with outlaw weapons before seeing a single dagger drop

lean coral
#

probs gonna start opening vault as outlaw

#

got 252 daggers and ima just give up on the sylv one

wintry mica
#

outlaw still uses sylv dagger offhand im pretty sure

wild beacon
#

2x 252 daggers? lucky boi

lean coral
#

yeh but i assume a high IL outlaw weap is prio

real pewter
#

The real question is if celerity will still be BiS

dusky vault
#

outlaw can get both from vault im pretty sure

fleet anchor
wintry mica
#

outlaw loot spec cant drop the dagger from sylv so I dont think it will come from vault

real pewter
#

figured

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Exciting time for rogues

wintry mica
#

should I put any thought into when or what order I do my double on use

real pewter
#

Who would've thought shards of domination would spice things up, even if a bit.

Maybe this is a precursor to tier sets in 9.2 making loot fun again.

wintry mica
#

tier sets are better than dom shards imo

real pewter
#

Of course

wintry mica
#

I assume shadowgrasp totem doesn't scale with haste at all so I should use amplifier on pull with lust and then totem 20 sec later?

dusky vault
real pewter
#

Tier sets are GOAT. But at least it’s better than Nathria where it’s all the same shit

dusky vault
grand echo
dusky vault
wintry mica
#

if I use it first I can get the tail end of flag buff during fusion amp but i miss like 10 seconds of the haste buff

mortal pike
#

still havent seen a single dagger drop from raid/keys/ or vault :S

#

big sadge

wide ridge
#

realistically, i'm not getting M KT's shoulder any time soon, would shoulder from M tarragrue be better than H KT one? I don't have either

#

I guess so? more agility

#

but secondaries suck big dong

mortal pike
#

obligatory

#

sim it

#

8^)

#

its probably quite close depending on your gear compisition

wide ridge
#

advanced sims are big monkaW

severe wasp
#

I have a question. If my sims are saying theo and unholy is best is that what i should stick with?

warm fiber
#

do we go frost shards now?

simple rivet
#

frost set at tier 3 was over 100 dps upgrade than unholy at tier 4 for me

#

without ds

#

crazy

severe wasp
#

i have both t3

warm fiber
#

yeah i simmed it too and mine was the same way

lavish lichen
#

They said it was over valued at higher ranks

#

Nvm yes it was

#

Make sure you run sim again it was updated like an hour ago

warm fiber
#

i ran it liek 10 min ago

severe wasp
#

my sim is old

plain thistle
#

yeah, rank 4 frost was 100 dps ahead, 47 now

#

updated 🙂

#

for my gear

warm fiber
#

even with 225 DS its 24 up

#

and i have 262 obedience

thorny pond
#

Yea because EP/Vigor is just a lower simming talent combo for ST

warm fiber
#

ahh i didn't even notice that thanks!

late sparrow
#

Hey this may have gotten mentioned already and I see it in the pins, but is the necro bonespike ability still pretty bugged?

warm fiber
#

ok so i ran it again and t3 frost sims higher than t4 unholy for me by 21.

thorny pond
#

You can prob buy the deadly ring too

arctic gate
#

does anyone know why sack of terror sims so high? better than a 252 IQD

south horizon
severe sparrow
#

my sims still put unholy ahead by 60 too 🤷‍♀️

thorny pond
#

Yea

#

NF is kinda garbo and you need to sim frost with Dashing not doom

severe sparrow
#

works for me, dont have to upgrade anything else CoolCowboy

thorny pond
#

Use this

south horizon
#

Ahh nice, ty. Many regrets crafting doomblade and upgrading unholy gems now :(

#

Gonna be a few weeks to catch back up

kind veldt
#

@south horizon doom blade is still good, think dashing is for pure ST only…

#

I see you’re NF, may want to switch necro or venth

severe sparrow
#

how do you ez swap the legendaries in sims again? i saw it explained once but uh

#

er

thorny pond
#

Right near the top

#

There’s a box

#

Pick stats and ilvl

limber lion
fleet anchor
bleak sky
#

frost +300 on sims
doesn't feel like it in raid KEKW

wintry mica
#

so no small benefit to be gained from using them in a certain order?

viscid spear
#

Foreboding the highest rank on shards?

fleet anchor
#

Sims should tell you which of the two slots are preferred, if there is any difference between them

#

Top slot would be implied as being used first

#

If neither is a stat trinket

severe sparrow
#

oh

#

yeah look

#

im dumb KEKW

fleet anchor
#

Typically I would say using the shorter cooldown trinket first is usually better

severe sparrow
#

sick, doomblade still sims higher than dashing for me somehow, i dont have to make a new one!

viscid spear
#

So I have 90 embers, do I upgrade my 3 UH shards to Foreboding or hold off? I only have the three domination sockets atm

rare scaffold
#

stats for m+ sin

slow marsh
#

crit mastery

#

unless using MA leggo (my personal pref) then haste / vers

#

but minmaxing sin for m+ isn't a big difference i think compared to the other two specs

mortal pike
#

what's the difference like on aoe?

slow marsh
#

pure aoe crit mastery is best

#

but m+ isn't pure aoe

mortal pike
#

Sorry was talking about the uhh

#

frost shard stuff

slow marsh
#

and if you're playing sin you should still have solid ST

bleak sky
rustic stump
#

Where can I find the soulbinds for assassination

slow marsh
#

oop

bleak sky
prisma monolithBOT
slim pebble
#

Very dumb question... Does it matter specifically what shard I put into the pair of boots I just got from the vault?

bleak sky
viscid spear
upbeat needle
#

y'all do anything different playing maim and mangle over WPS?

dusky vault
#

nope; afaik none of the soulbinds/conduits change the apl

rain gust
#

If Obedience is simming better why do people run Doomblade? Is it a playstyle thing? I am switching from Sub so

versed mica
#

It depends on Sims on whether or not it's better

#

It's also close enough that people play doomblade out of laziness

rain gust
#

doomblade is easier? it's just passive extra damage essentially, right?

slow marsh
#

yes same as dashing

void pecan
#

I mean they're both.. easy. One is just making sure you get enough finisher CP spent to maximize lowering flag cd

rain gust
#

With flag, you want to use it WITH things like vendetta, right? Not before it to get the bonus stats during vend?

thorny pond
#

You only sync if you won’t lose a cast

rain gust
#

ok got it yeah

strange python
#

Gut says it's worth desyncing flag from vend with nadjia but not sure - anyone checked?

ashen creek
#

Doom blade keeps CDs at 2 min timing with guaranteed flag when you want to play those timings where as obi moves you to like a 2:20 cycle, makes a different for some fights based on kill time. They’re almost dead even for a 5 min fight but the damage profile and timing of each may be better for different encounters

#

Play style is the same for both, you should be maximizing combo points for flags regardless

ashen creek
#

For example on sylv you send 2 mins on pull, again at end of p1, first p2 burn, second p2 burn, 2nd p3 plat and last p3 plat with lust, so on that and similar situations where your cool downs are hard set you never desync

narrow storm
#

Stupid question but I've died twice to it now and don't wanna die in mythic
How do you shadow step the beam on the Eye? Both times I've done it it just teleports me directly into the beam even if it's at the side of the room

ruby oyster
#

doesnt shadowstep always puts you in the same spot? so you just need to make sure beam isnt there

dusky vault
#

yeah its always worked for me; basically slightly to the left of the middle of the platform, 7 o'clock or so if it was a clock face

narrow storm
#

I might of been doing it too early then I guess, I was dieing around the 7 o'clock mark so much be that cheers

hot chasm
#

Yeah, its the same spot every time, so if it goes left->right just shadowstep once the beam have passed midpoint

#

right to left you have t wait longer

narrow storm
#

Cheers, for some reason Im sure I saw a video where it landed him at the middle of the room but must of been wrong hahah
Thanks again!

dark token
#

Yo scoundrel frost sin feels so good definitely 1 tricking

forest shoal
#

Is the unholy dom shard set bonus still our best option?

fluid glade
#

what would scoundrel be crafted on

lean coral
#

Also cloak

#

Rogues are cloak gang

#

Minus outlaw

chilly marsh
#

anyone know how this reforced conduit will work?

strange python
#

Windfury giving me 3.1% with frost scoundrel if anyone else is curious for raid comps

ebon notch
#

why is my assa sim encouraging me to run lower and lower haste

#

in this i end up running 18.5% or so

#

and it just feels awful to actually play

mental trout
#

So, how many of you guys are in a Mythic Raiding Guild?

strange python
#

I will say, the dashing frost opener feels really slow

#

Might be worth just rupturing on 4cp to get envenom Regen up?

cobalt pelican
#

what exactly are you doing rn

#

cause its' not like it really.. changes anything

strange python
#

Trying to >5 rupture is the slow down

#

Cause DS vs vigor

fluid glade
#

what does scoundrel have to do with it being slower running DS prev to frost buff

somber hill
#

so is the frost set still over simming?

fluid glade
#

what sims

somber hill
#

apparently the frost set was over-simming earlier due to rank issues

plain thistle
#

its not

#

they fixed

somber hill
#

ok cool

fluid glade
#

once sims are posted we'll see, its still likely to be better

timid coral
#

is there a way to just add a flat amount of stats to myself for a sim?

late grove
#

yea its must closer now. i'm seeing a 0.3% frost over unholy at r4 and 0.8% frost over unholy at r5 now

cobalt pelican
#

you can rupture at 4 at all points of the fight with ds, so it's perfectly fine in the opener @strange python

#

and you theoretically can add stats to yourself in the sim but it's not pretty

#

if you're looking for frost information stat plots are probably the best method but it's still not.. amazing

timid coral
#

nah, trying to help a warlock guildie figure something out with some haste breakpoint

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if its not easy i'll just tell him to guess

cobalt pelican
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adding something basic like

 dps_plot_stat=haste,crit,mastery,versatility``` and looking at the points gained per stat in the report should be fine for something like that
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(i imagine there's better setup for plotting i just don't know the stuff, it's all in the wiki)

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with the granularity being controllable

timid coral
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well he's looking at occular trinket and rn its a downgrade for him, but he thinks if he had more haste then it might be a gain (something to do with procs sometimes making the eye buff shift off haste, which drops him below a breakpoint)

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so i was hoping to just add 200 haste or whatever so even in the "bad" buff cases the haste is still "high enough"

cobalt pelican
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probably easier to just do a gear compare with some insanely haste weighted ring from the raid in that case, or something, but it's very unlikely to shift the trinket majorly in any direction unless it changes it's 'normal' buff outside of procs

still elm
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can we cloak jailer beam?

thorn fjord
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yeah

oak sky
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Cloak, shadowstep, venthyr, night fae can all dodge it

wet dagger
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Anyone had good results with frost set and dashing scoundrel?

mortal pike
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No matter how I change my sim, unholy still beats out frost ST

dark token
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But I would not run it on aoe bosses it's too much energy and frost set sucks

timid talon
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Is anyone else's rank 2 frost set simming higher than rank 4 unholy without dashing? im so confused

dark token
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Scoundrel on the nine felt like I was playing outlaw with the energy Regen lol

slow marsh
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yepper

ebon notch
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How does the scoundrel setup work

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Like what are the mechanics behind it

untold nest
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press buttons do dmg?

sonic schooner
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yea u mostly want to shadowstep jailor beam

somber hill
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ur poison crits generate energy

strange python
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Raid wants to give DHs windfury because they've convinced raid that it's big for them.

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Reeeee

somber hill
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it is

cobalt pelican
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call them stupid

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easy fix

strange python
cobalt pelican
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not aggressive enough

low girder
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easier fix, bench all the extra melee until they all fit in a wf group

heavy vessel
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Stats or Skirmish on chest?

granite thistle
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When you guys select the shards in raidbots to sim, does it not allow you to sim? It makes me select select a piece of gear? am i a goober?

strange python
lavish lichen
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I mean you don’t have to suggest it

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You can just sim it yourself

severe sparrow
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you have to have gear with dom sockets on it to sim shards...? i just click whatever shards i want and it sims them in all the gear thonk

cursive silo
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You need a head for unholy set,shoulders for frost set and a chest for blood set

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At least

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And then you need at least 3 slots so you can put all three on

severe sparrow
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even tells me which shards it put in what gear which im p sure is totally irrelevant

cursive silo
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Yea slot doesn’t matter

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But you need a specific piece

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For each set

severe sparrow
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i got a new dagger just now and it finally tipped me over whatever point made me go dashing+frost instead of doom+unholy 😩 i was celebrating not having to change...

grim sable
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do you guys lust at 45% on remnant?

shy dust
summer cipher
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How good is Decanter?

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for Ass?

somber hill
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cus of demonblades

shy dust
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its not

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its literally not

drifting cloud
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proc of a proc = 5% dps increase Kapp

somber hill
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arms-havoc-outlaw

cobalt pelican
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where do people get this information from

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and how does it perpetuate

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i don't understand

low girder
cursive silo
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With demonblades its barely equal to ret

low girder
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1.92%, huge

drifting cloud
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sims are fake!!

cursive silo
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I mean when the guy says outlaw when rogue literally has another spec that relies more on autos idk

somber hill
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just what i've been hearing

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and what max was saying

cursive silo
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Max heard it from avade who is a pepega

shy dust
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so just

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no more need to spread something thats wrong

reef axle
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just peaked 25k dps burst on st....defuq they do to us? frost buff couldnt of been that big......

cursive silo
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Just got lucky

reef axle
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hmmm

rapid lintel
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if im necrolord should i just roll venthyr these bonespike bugs are fucken triggering

cobalt pelican
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only you can answer that my dude

worn monolith
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ask yourself if you can do the 57 renown climb quickly enough

cursive silo
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Really only have to grind like 40 if you didn’t do the campaign

worn monolith
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the campaign itself is a grind imo

restive falcon
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does anyone have a WA for winds of winter

rapid forum
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Blizz is gonna fix SBS soon

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Any minute now

somber hill
cursive silo
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I mean yea he can’t read sims

flint snow
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hasted trinkets are dynamic right? i.e. if I pop my shadowgrasp totem like a split second before a heroism it's not too big a deal.

cursive silo
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Should be

worn monolith
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are people using raidbots to sim their shards? whats the most efficient way to do this?

mystic peak
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top gear and select the shards

cursive silo
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Pick every shard at the bottom of the page (add socket items if you dont have them)

native silo
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just got the fusion amp trinket, do we save for vendetta or just pop on CD??

sour wraith
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on cd, very little buffs trinket damage anymore

cursive silo
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On cd (in lust if it doesn’t lose you a cast)

native silo
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true ty boys

sharp stump
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I had my sim have the frost shard bonus be best without dashing scoundrel, does that sound right for other people? Thought the talk about frost was w/ dashing

cursive silo
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If frost is better without dashing its probably even better with dashing

ionic vault
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is it safe to upgrade the frost shards?

velvet nacelle
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i can't make dashing for a week and still need the last frost shard so i'm gonna sit tight on unholy for a week and just hoard embers

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i've been pretty hesitant to commit too big to upgrades so far anyways so what's one more week

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haven't even made an r6 legendary yet

cursive silo
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U can make dashing any time lol just farm it

velvet nacelle
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fair but i don';t feel like doing 10 more torghasts this week

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plus, like i said, i'll let the numbers and stuff settle a bit

sharp stump
cursive silo
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Damn then idk

agile geode
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Is whispyr alive?

fathom flax
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i see a lot of rogues going outlaw with frost set

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did i miss something

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?? :<

velvet nacelle
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is raidbots not up to date? still simming frost well behind unholy there

cursive silo
ebon minnow
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So uh, anyone having their vendetta pop randomly after the update? I haven't changed macros and I'm losing my mind

velvet nacelle
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no but try dragging it off your bar and check the spellbook to see if it's says it's not bound

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maybe it's on some key you're absent mindedly hitting that didn't used to do anything

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sounds like you already checked your macros so that's my best guess

ebon minnow
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Will do, thank you

wild beacon
halcyon cloud
steady glen
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are dom set sims out?

summer cipher
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Higher Lego, Dom socket on helm, Oil instead of Stone, Phile over anything Thats some good basic set.

velvet nacelle
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@steady glen raidbots doesn't look up to date

uneven hamlet