assassination

[shut flame]

Necro ftw. i remember my first impression tho..

[gusty adder]

how does assass feel in m+?

[wild storm]

really fucking good

[gusty adder]

and is MA prefered over zoldyck?

[odd hazel]

Cev is venthyr

@winter vapor

[winter vapor]

I think its very much personal, Zold is better now I believe but I think MA does ok dmg with NS talent

[odd hazel]

Really good, you use obedience if you’re venthyr and zold if necro

[winter vapor]

^ this

and thats fake news @odd hazel

[odd hazel]

No it’s not

[winter vapor]

cev is always necro

[odd hazel]

Cev switched

[winter vapor]

i refuse to believe otherwise

[wild storm]

or if you're like me, you run doomblade in m+ 🙂

[winter vapor]

even if he tells me otherwise, he is necro to his core.

!

[odd hazel]

Gross

[wild storm]

get's the job done. and does it well.

[odd hazel]

I don’t think well is the word

It’s only good on bosses and sucks at trash

[wild storm]

haven't seen other rogues dropping over 10k dps in m+ unless they are practicing for mdi lol.

and if used properly, doomblade doesn't suck at trash.

but plebs think fan of knives CT spam is the way. so be it

[odd hazel]

Sure dude.

[halcyon zealot]

i don’t think anyone thinks spamming CT is the way

[wild storm]

don't be a troll. you don't have to follow meta then hate on others.

[odd hazel]

I’m not trolling

¯_(ツ)_/¯

You’re being willfully ignorant and I’m just calling out that you would be better off using zold or obedience

[wild storm]

truely doubt it would make that much more of a difference.

[odd hazel]

No one said FoK spam

You play how ever you want but it’s not good in M+

[wild storm]

it is if you know how to play 🙂
but to each their own.

[wise gull]

what a statement lol

[odd hazel]

That’s not how that works

Lmao

[wise gull]

doomblade is objectively worse

it's not a matter of opinion

[odd hazel]

^this

If you sim it you would realize

[wild storm]

just cause you say it's not an opinion doesn't make you right lol.

and imagine thinking you can pull the numbers you sim

[odd hazel]

I mean we are though

[kind talon]

you do more dps in a key than the dslice sim

[wise gull]

i pull quite close to my sim numbers

[kind talon]

depending on pulls

[odd hazel]

You should be pulling as close as you can to your sim

[kind talon]

tbh

[odd hazel]

Unless trash is dieing in seconds

Especially fort weeks

[kind talon]

dungeon buffs influence these things a lot too

[odd hazel]

You’re cucking your self

[kind talon]

shortie just because some people don't know how to play zoldyck optimally, doesn't mean that doomblade is suddenly a good leggo for m+

[wild storm]

everyone so angry that I said I use doomblade lol

[kind talon]

zoldyck is still better, you have to play it right anyways

[wise gull]

nobody is angry that you use doomblade

[kind talon]

i mean idc u can do what u want man

[odd hazel]

Nah you’re just trying to justify using it over another

[kind talon]

you're using strawman arguments

[wild storm]

jesus I can't respond to all of you lol

[wise gull]

people are more irritated by statements like this

"it is if you know how to play 🙂"

[kind talon]

quantify your statements

[wild storm]

good, be mad about it

[kind talon]

about why doomblade is better than zoldyck or obedience

please

[wise gull]

i'll be real with you

[kind talon]

explain

[wise gull]

we know how to play

we're telling you it's worse

[odd hazel]

^^^^^

Don’t call me trolling because you’re wrong in every way

[wild storm]

why do i have to prove to you? I never said it was better. I said I use doomblade in m+ and I pull over 10k in overall dps without using silly tactics. just raw player damage.

[wild storm]

wrong about what lol.

nothing to be wrong about buddy

[odd hazel]

Sure dude

You do you

[wild storm]

what am i wrong about

[kind talon]

thats great, i bet you can use zoldyck or obedience (if venthyr) and do even more damage

!!

have u tried them?

[wise gull]

of all the hills you choose to die on

its this one

lol

[wild storm]

probably could. but i'm using doomblade because blizzard cucks players who dump all their money into shit or chance convenets
i have a zoldyck and did the same damage for the most part

[kind talon]

yeah i mean it also depends on level of leggo etc, stats matter

[wild storm]

and it was lower ilvl, so i'm sure if it was higher I would do more but for now i'm using doomblade

[odd hazel]

So you’re using it because you choose to not because it’s as good

Kek

[wise gull]

so why are you trying to say that zoldyck isn't better

lmao

[wild storm]

never said it was bad, nor did I say it wasn't the best for m+.
I said I know how to use doomblade so I use it for m+ and now i'm being attacked haha. I love it

[odd hazel]

That’s not at all what you said

[drowsy coral]

He probably thinks that with doomblade you've to multi dot through mutilate

[wise gull]

no, you're being "attacked" because you're being extremely condescending dude

[wild storm]

@odd hazel @wise gull don't cry at me please

[odd hazel]

Quote your self correctly atleast

[wild storm]

you're a weirdo if you think so

[wild storm]

condescending? calm down snowflake please.

i say i use doomblade and you go crazy

[odd hazel]

Snowflake

[kind talon]

doomblades is a dps increase in m+ only on low target cleave and st

[wise gull]

lmao this just got gigacringe

[kind talon]

whereas zoldyck is dps increase on any # of targets

[wise gull]

who says snowflake in 2021?

[odd hazel]

SNOWFLAKE

Lololol

[kind talon]

idk boys

lets keep on topic

stupid arguments are stupid

[drowsy coral]

Why is #assassination always so cancer

[wild storm]

someone ask about legos to use in m+
I said i use doomblade. cry more please

[strong cipher]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[odd hazel]

You said a wrong answer

[wild storm]

because you have people who atack others if it isn't meta

[odd hazel]

You gave false info

I never attacked you

[wise gull]

no, you said that we were wrong when we tried to tell you zoldyck is a better choice

[wild storm]

false info? quote it

go quote it

[odd hazel]

There’s evidence for you already

[wild storm]

quote it then

[wise gull]

k

[odd hazel]

Go there too friend

[wild storm]

what is there evidence of

[kind talon]

you heavily heavily implied

that your dps was a result of doomblade, and that doomblade was a viable m+ leggo

[odd hazel]

^^

[wild storm]

it is viable.

[kind talon]

we are saying its not a viable m+ leggo

[odd hazel]

It’s not

You can use it yes but it’s not good

[kind talon]

sec

look

[wild storm]

weird. cause i'm topping meters nearly EVERY run i've had in 17+ keys with a doomblade and timed the keys. so how is it NOT viable then.

[kind talon]

look

you are playing

a legendary

that has the same value

as tiny toxic blade

in mythic +

[odd hazel]

LMAO

[wild storm]

ok? tiny toxic blade is viable as well.

[odd hazel]

This

[wild storm]

if you suck, maybe not.

[kind talon]

less damage than deathly shadows too

[wise gull]

you could also do m+ with no legendary equipped and time 17s

no legendary is viable!!

[odd hazel]

Imagine being this wrong

[limber lion]

Definiteyl do not play Doomblade in keys.

[wild storm]

the fact that you are all so heated that I said i play doomblade in keys shows you are slaves to a meta and aren't good unless you play meta. kind of pathetic

[kind talon]

this is what we look at when we think about viability

[odd hazel]

OOHHHHH CEV

[wise gull]

cev to the rescue

[limber lion]

You don't use mutilates/envenoms as much.

[wild storm]

too late 🙂 doing it in 17+ keys.

[limber lion]

So it loses value.

Good for you. If you want to int your team, go for it.

[wild storm]

probably does lose value

[odd hazel]

Try telling a CF he’s wrong

[drowsy coral]

As it means anything to time 17s

[waxen thunder]

I could hit my head into a wall, doesnt make it a good idea

[limber lion]

I can time 20's without a single legendary

Doesn't mean I shouldn't use one

and use the best one while I'm at it

Which is the Zoldyck legendary.

If you want to do several hundred or even thousand dps less in overall with a poor legendary choice, then all the power to ya.

[wild storm]

sure once I decide to get one, I can start using it. till then i'll keep using a doomblade and performing better while doing it.

[limber lion]

Keep rocking it.

I'll stick to Zoldyck and my 10k-12k overalls.

[wild storm]

i'll stick to doomblade and my 10k overalls too 🙂

[kind talon]

dawg the way u word everything

is so weird

you're bragging about your overall dps

[odd hazel]

Imagine being able to do more damage

And jus choosing not to

[wild storm]

shit happens :/

[kind talon]

bro we get it you do dmg good

[odd hazel]

Nah fam. You’re making excuses at this point

[drowsy coral]

I mean this choice is up to him, no one really cares

[plain atlas]

I rather play assn in keys over outlaw. Some reason I always mess it up.

[signal cosmos]

this argument is great keep it up boys

[kind talon]

practice

they are both viable tho

[wild storm]

except about 6 of you seem to care that i play doomblade. idk why

[wise gull]

i wonder if this guy rounds up

[drowsy coral]

It's not about what leg you play or what shaving cream you use

[odd hazel]

It’s how you’re saying it man

Trying to make doom a good option when it’s not

[drowsy coral]

I think they're triggered by the way your arguments goes

[wise gull]

nobody cares about what legendary you use lol

its your attitude

[odd hazel]

You were proven wrong multiple times and just deny it

I don’t care

If you play doom

Don’t say it’s good though

[wild storm]

i said "or if you're like me, you run doomblade in m+ 🙂"
and
"get's the job done. and does it well."

[odd hazel]

That’s only half of what you said

[wild storm]

it's the firtst 2 sentences of what I said before you attacked me lol

[odd hazel]

I said

Gross

[limber lion]

Okay boys, calm down.

[odd hazel]

Where did I attack

[wild storm]

idc if you've played the game for 15 years as a rogue. if i'm doing more dps than you at 233 ilvl with a doomblade, I will do what I want and be proud to say i usedoomblade.

[limber lion]

Feel free to take it to dm's if you must continue.

[wild storm]

just how it goes

[limber lion]

Enough Shortie.

[wild storm]

^^ dm me aboutit

[vast forum]

Any shadowblades to intervene in cringe like yday?

[plain atlas]

So as a Necro Assn - Zold is def the way to go... right? lol

[odd hazel]

Yes

[vast forum]

@shrewd night hate to tag you but i've detected cringe

[obtuse robin]

whos worse this guy or the guy in the casual CE guild with shitty logs yesterday

nvm im jk

[vast forum]

Yday was worse

No doubt

[cerulean junco]

😩

[wise gull]

noah you missed a show

[wild storm]

mad

[signal cosmos]

time to look for yesterday

lets go

[cerulean junco]

How fun

[limber lion]

Why exactly are you tagging Shien?

[clever vapor]

May someone send me the simc string for the dagger from sylvanas?

[limber lion]

Which ilvl

[clever vapor]

hc

[limber lion]

off_hand=,id=186398,enchant_id=6229,bonus_id=7188/6652/1485/6646

[odd hazel]

Cev just has that on hand

[limber lion]

:)

[odd hazel]

Guys a god

[clever vapor]

@limber lion Thanks a lot!!!!

[solid venture]

How do u guys open in m+ as necro sin? 3x garrote and 1 sbs into CT?

[odd hazel]

I believe it’s dump SBs on targets, SnD. X4garrotes, CT then spam FoK ruptures and keep SnD rolling with evenom and spread bleeds as needed

You might garrote first tbh

I’m not 100% with necro

[solid venture]

Mm but by the time I spread all my sbs, the subterfuge window is gone

[odd hazel]

Yeah so garrote first

[solid venture]

So I assume to garrote first and then sbs

[wild storm]

if you have snd already, 4x garrote is prio probably

[trim turret]

3-4x garrote > CT > SBS spam > rupture spam >

[ornate charm]

do we know if the pins are updated with new nuff from shard s ?

[wild storm]

using a sbs to 5 combo point a CT. obviously rotation can change if you just came from a fight with 1 or 2 combo points

[odd hazel]

the buffs aren’t out yet

So we have nothing

[shrewd night]

👀

[solid venture]

OK so first CT doesn't need to be max cp or max - 1?

[odd hazel]

Hey koffing !

[vast forum]

The cringe has stopped, apologies for the tag

[shrewd night]

Nah, youre good, it was actual cringe.

[vast forum]

Cringe patrol out

[shrewd night]

[trim turret]

-1. So on 4t its easy with 4x garr > CT

then SBS each target, rupture spam, CT pandemic, envenom spam

[solid venture]

Alright, ty^^

[limber swallow]

when you say rupture spam, I usually do SBS > Rup, SBS > Rup, SBS > Rup. Is that what you mean? - switching targets between each SBS, obvi

[dusk mason]

so a 2 combo point rapture ?

[trim turret]

no you're using SBS til you get correct amount of CPs

so it might be SBS target 1, SBS target 2, rupture, SBS target 3, rupture

since first sbs you might not have enough CPs

[limber swallow]

interesting though. I wonder how much of a difference that is. I usually don't care about the short rupture because that's usually the target I'm back to when it ends. The first one is short, the second is usually 4

[trim turret]

I don't think the difference would be big at all

if any

[limber swallow]

yea, might be worth playing with. The short rupture is just to make sure the bleed is rolling for regen, but I'm usually at energy saturation pretty damn fast

[trim turret]

get bleeds rolling, feast on energy 😎

if youre necrolord I never felt energy starved with SBS on opener since the energy to CPs is so efficient

i feel it as venthyr now

[limber swallow]

except when I come out of a boss fight that I just dumped 3 bone spikes into during gemstones.. because.. bonespike bug...

[trim turret]

yeah, I changed in 9.1. I've never felt your pain

glad i swapped 🤓

[limber swallow]

it was fine until like 2 weeks ago.. I was ventyr all of 9.0-9.0.5.. if they don't fix this, I may be back

[odd hazel]

Tbh I like obedience I feel as though it helps

[trim turret]

i miss the gemstone gameplay

just another thing to manage, even though small

[limber swallow]

yep, once per minute

[odd hazel]

I want to try out necro again I just don’t want to put in the work lmao

It’s at 38

[vagrant bison]

Actually I have read the FAQ and it's written that the 5 bleed in aoe is kinda of a myth, that you should just keep applying rupture, but when I do that I find myself to have too much energy

[odd hazel]

Yeah you just kind of try to apply as many as possible with out fucking your self

And keep other things rolling

[vagrant bison]

To the point where I have to mutilate instead of fok cause with fok I always overcap energy

[winter vapor]

5 bleeds is to do priority dmg, after that point energy gains are kinda capped

[clever vapor]

Hey fellas, did it turn out that obedience is not as good as it was thought? The pins were saying it's better for single target and aoe, however I see that top rogues still use doomblade

[odd hazel]

It’s good people just choose not to use it

Which is fine it’s not that much better

Also a lot of rogues are still necro

[brazen gyro]

i was looking at the pins, out of the 3 guides, ravenholdt,wowhead,icyveins. Which would yall consider the best/most advanced

like I know the basics already

but want to improve further

[mental trout]

I was wondering if you knew how to Change the ilvl of Weapons in Raidbots. I have a tanglewood thorn at 236 for my off hand. What im trying to figure out is if its worth it to upgrade that Off hand Or some thing else ATM.

[odd hazel]

Icy veins personally. If you have a log you can post that and we can help

We also have #assassination-faq

@brazen gyro

[brazen gyro]

i didnt see that, thank you sir=p

[narrow ravine]

you do a gear compare then add a new set type in the same item you already have and set the ilevel higher, enchant it

[mental trout]

Also does any one know of a WoW Podcast of sorts?

[mental trout]

ahh, ok thank you! Gear compare aye

[narrow ravine]

upgrade the item once, the duplicate that set and upgrade it again, you then see 3 results of the sim, you normal, with +3 ilevels +6 ilevels and see the progressive dps increase

[vagrant bison]

So you guys apply more than 5 dots in aoe?

I mean Between ruptures and garrotes

[limber lion]

Gear compare is great for that, but if you sometime want to do an advanced sim or sim it with top gear, you can add ",ilevel=x" after the item string.

For example:
off_hand=,id=186398,enchant_id=6229,bonus_id=7188/6652/1485/6646,ilevel=259 for the mythic Sylv dagger

[toxic badge]

hi guys, quick question here - flagelation leggo or doomblade ?
in guides I can see flagelation, but on logs I see doomblade as dominant

[limber lion]

You should sim it. I personally use Doomblade as it sims better for me

[odd hazel]

I want to believe obedience will pull ahead with higher gear

We get those tastes 30 sec CD flags

[hollow escarp]

will love to see somebody with better gear than Ceverion 😄

[odd hazel]

:^)

[mental trout]

Thank you sir!

[odd hazel]

There’s a few in here that do

Well

Ilvl wise

I think he’s only 239 and some have already hit 242

[hollow escarp]

I'm 242 as well

pretty sure he has more gear

[limber lion]

I'm 243, some some people are 250 :)

[hollow escarp]

damn

[odd hazel]

Oh shit

[hollow escarp]

so you got no loot after first week, Cev?

[odd hazel]

How are people already 250

[limber lion]

I was stacked the first 2 weeks, but not anymore.

[mental trout]

Wow, upgrading My OH wep, even though the wep is BIS is very underwhelming =/ Esp when you consider how much valor it takes...

[odd hazel]

Jesus Christ

[mental trout]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/utj88PDpF6e4x3rK92Wdin

[odd hazel]

MH>OH

[limber lion]

Those are some HOF boys who've killed KT/Sylvanas

[odd hazel]

Lucky bastards I can barely get gear to drop lmao

What did they do make 6 rogues

[hollow escarp]

you need to kill bosses for that 😦

[odd hazel]

I’m 232 sir don’t do me like that lmao

[hollow escarp]

or loot 3 bis items in a row every vault

[odd hazel]

I got a 252 mist weap and then a 242 one from sanguine or halls

And currently 242 shadow grasp

Also got the UH shard set

And the guardian trinket

[sand aurora]

is crimson tempest good now?

[odd hazel]

It’s always been good

[hollow escarp]

^^

[odd hazel]

cn just didn’t favor it like This raid does

It’s your go to talent in M+ though always

[sand aurora]

so do i just sim and whatever is better ill just go for?

[odd hazel]

PB will win in pure St/cleave but fights like fate/soul favor CT due to adds

You could even use it on Sylvanas I guess

And KT

[subtle tundra]

pb is only better on single target

[hollow escarp]

Fatescribe and Soulrender as well

[subtle tundra]

cleave -> ct

[odd hazel]

I mean

On fights like the nine

You don’t go CT

[subtle tundra]

yea cause its more ST

[hollow escarp]

it's probably not bad

[odd hazel]

I meant 2T/3T my bad

But 3 would prob push CT ahead

[hollow escarp]

but the 2 target part of the fight is shorter than the rest

[subtle tundra]

2T -> ct

[odd hazel]

I mean

The nine is 2T

[subtle tundra]

???????????????

[hollow escarp]

it's nine targets 🙂

[subtle tundra]

ah yes 25% of the fight is 2T, i spec for 2T

[hollow escarp]

there are quite a few high logs with CT

lik 6 in top 100

[real pewter]

Pumped to see if Dashing becomes our BiS

[odd hazel]

I’m not a mythic boi yet

But interesting I’ll see if it’s well on heroic

[thorny pond]

We talked about this last night lol

[real pewter]

Yeah, exactly, I was reading more about it

And it sounds really fun

Just waiting on the sims to come out next week

[thorny pond]

It’s close enough now that you can play it and not int

[burnt star]

it sims lower for me even if i simulate rank 4 frost

[thorny pond]

Right it is close

[burnt star]

over uh/doomblade

[thorny pond]

But are you overriding with the frost changes

[burnt star]

its not close

[thorny pond]

Because raidbots is still old frost/bugged

[burnt star]

its like 250 for me

using the command

[real pewter]

I wanna play optimally tho lol

[obtuse robin]

are u swapping crit gear

[thorny pond]

Crit gear, last nad row makes it

[obtuse robin]

fatal flaw

[thorny pond]

Yep

[real pewter]

i have gem

on herimer

[thorny pond]

With it the gap closes but again, merely some early numbers. If you can add a second target for bleeds and poisons to tick and crit on it also gets better value

Necro Dashing probably won’t be that close to necro doom/obe

[burnt star]

im at 35% crit

[obtuse robin]

need about 40

[real pewter]

Need 40 crit for the frost/dashing build?

[burnt star]

wait 39.4%

[obtuse robin]

40 is the magic number

[thorny pond]

You need to be venthyr with Nadja and around 40% crit * high rank frost gems to see a gain

It’s a specific setup

[real pewter]

Ahh, okay nvm then, i'm sad again

I'm not venthyr

[thorny pond]

And again it’s not a big increase

Over what is live

[clever vapor]

What's the current max renown?

[obtuse robin]

unless ur outlaw

[thorny pond]

Outlaw is not a spec and again that needs a very specific setup and optimal play

[limber swallow]

54

[real pewter]

Well it's a 50% damage increase, is that not big?

[thorny pond]

Compared to live unholy and doom/obe setup

Not compared to live frost

[obtuse robin]

its not that complicated

[real pewter]

Gotcha, so we already have the sims?

[obtuse robin]

play normal outlaw fatal flaw and speccrit

[thorny pond]

We have rough sims based on best estimate

[real pewter]

Gotcha

[thorny pond]

GS MfD and KS while lining up BrE for frost proc isn’t normal outlaw

[real pewter]

It wouldn't beat unholy in aoe?

[obtuse robin]

no

[thorny pond]

Frost is purely single target

[obtuse robin]

the dmg u do in aoe goes towrds frost but the hit is st

[real pewter]

gotcha

These effects are virtually unnoticeable cause they're all passive damage so it's hard to tell

I don't think i've ever seen my frost spec hit, i just see it in my details

[thorny pond]

If you look at your dps graph it’s very noticeable

[obtuse robin]

im sure theres a weakaura somwhere for it idk tho

[thorny pond]

But in terms of feeling the impact during the fight, not really

[real pewter]

The real thing is waiting for 9.2 when/if blizzard brings back actual tier sets instead of these "increase stat by 12" sets. But until then, I was really hoping to spice things up with a cool lego synergy

[thorny pond]

I’m mostly pumped because frost offers way more defensive utility than UH

[obtuse robin]

more ideal for progg for sure

[thorny pond]

If you want a leggo that changes things up, dashing impacts the rotation in some minor ways that you can min max

So I guess you can mark that as a win

[burnt star]

but ya.. next week nadja sim is gonna be: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rrQ2Brai9X4rjsQyFkqvG1

[real pewter]

Right, it's a more interesting lego than mutilate

[burnt star]

and my highest sim with frost is

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mQGSeK5hor96C8iqrjPKSy

if i switch neck for a high crit one its actualy lower

[vestal wren]

nadja is actually quite close to theo

whats rly nice because it means you have 2 soulbinds to choose from

[thorny pond]

Theo is bae

[red plaza]

Conduit energy is not bae

[thorny pond]

Venthyr is for the sophisticated denizens of Azeroth

[vestal wren]

i am still unsure how valuable wasteland property is for your raid group

[real pewter]

I wouldn't know, venthyr is for people who hate having fun. :

[burnt star]

my theo is higher then nadja if i get vers, and 50 dps higher if i get haste buff

[real pewter]

Venthyr is for blizzard developers, mmkay? Necrolord Gang Gang

[vestal wren]

whats for people who like having fun, kyrian?

[thorny pond]

F*** your team, I don’t bring utility now, I won’t bring it later

[real pewter]

@vestal wren necro bby

[thorny pond]

NF is for the Chad’s who like fun

[vestal wren]

reading through the necro buglist, that does not sound like a lot of fun 😛

[limber swallow]

except... necro isn't fun right now becuz blizz f'd bonespike

[real pewter]

It's not a persistent bug

[thorny pond]

Necro, in theory is sick

[real pewter]

Just ran a mists 16 and had no issues

I just like that it has a covenanta bility that isn't just a random 2 minute damage increase

The fact that it's viable and i'm getting pink parses makes it better

[limber swallow]

the charge bug is really annoying... when you come out of the bosses, you likely have no charges. On trash, as long as you don't dump 2 spikes into the same target, you're right, it's usually fine.

[real pewter]

Yeah, i'm mainly going outlaw for mplus now adays

cause I wanna get better at outlaw

[limber swallow]

I was tempted to run outlaw this week.. but my outlaw weapons are like 220..

[vestal wren]

deathspike is simming quite good actually

on outlaw

[thorny pond]

🤢

[real pewter]

wait is it really?

[obtuse robin]

no dont dsay that

my cinders

[thorny pond]

#outlaw is that way

[limber swallow]

just craft 235's if you want to try stuff

no need to waste cinders (or gold)

[vestal wren]

solo even found a optimization for it, see #tc-research

and it was already the highest simming one in dungeon slice

[real pewter]

Huh...

I mean I get dungeon slice

Love the idea of most of our abilities being bone spike

once the bugs are fixed in 9.3 or maybe in 10.0 we can all go back and do a dungeon and see how powerful it really is

[sullen hollow]

does anyone have assa frost sim

[vestal wren]

i made a sim comparing all 3 specs, its pinned in #subtlety

[misty bough]

so, do we know the 4 best powers on taraq?

dps wise ofc

[thorny pond]

Whatever sounds good and doesn’t cause your raid to wipe or waste time for you to find powers

Because resetting and rolling all 4 theoretical bis is a bigger waste of time than you’d save by finding them

[soft shale]

funnily enough running wasteland as assa is not that bad

as the 3rd potency usually is quite whack

[thorny pond]

PK on ST duh

[soft shale]

would it not be maim and mangle?

[wooden perch]

as assa on remnant

do you put garrote and rupture on the balls

even before they take increased dmg?

[soft shale]

depends on which balls they are if they are getting popped insta

[thorny pond]

I was being pretentious

[soft shale]

not worth rupture maybe garrote

remember they dont die and give energy back

[thorny pond]

If you have to run to china to get dots it’s not worth either

[shadow tusk]

The theotar's tea

[thorny pond]

Unless it’s a prio and kill

[shadow tusk]

Is it buff of base agi?

[thorny pond]

Like are you saying if you popped a pot would it count that?

[shadow tusk]

More if its 3% overall agi or the 451 base

as in is agi worth over haste/crit

[thorny pond]

Fuu summed it up nicely

It doesn’t matter

[burnt star]

profileset."primary"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=primary"
profileset."versatility"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=versatility"
profileset."crit"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit"
profileset."haste"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=haste"

it does matther though

sim yourself

[thorny pond]

…

Not enough to get worked up over it

[burnt star]

theres like "76" difference between best and worst

[shadow tusk]

Im not getting worked up, just trying to optimise :d

[burnt star]

i choose item base on way less on my vault

so ya id say it mathers

lol

[dull cloak]

overall agi

[solid venture]

how do you guys open in m+ on bosses ? would you get all bleeds up before using vendetta and shiv?

[vale shore]

and SND

[shadow tusk]

aight thanks

[solid venture]

yeah i was thinking something like gar - snd - sbs - mut - rup - mut - CT and then vendetta shiv and use vanish to reapply garrote outside of shiv window?

[thorny pond]

SBS snd mut is the opener for necro

Replace mut with gar

[solid venture]

for raid yeah

[thorny pond]

If subt

[solid venture]

not for m+ with subterfuge right

[vale shore]

I like to open with mutilate, snd mut, garrote, rupture then damage trinket and covenant ability, then vanish shiv and vendetta

[solid venture]

im specifically looking for a single target opener with subterfuge

[thorny pond]

Ideally you’ll have snd up too

[vale shore]

oh yeah, then open with garrote if running subterfuge

[solid venture]

as necro

[thorny pond]

If not just sbs snd gar

[misty bough]

https://streamable.com/lfxkdf

i think were good

[limber lion]

Not the best

But pretty decent.

:P

[misty bough]

what could be different

overgrowth weight is pretty sick, potent acid must be bis(?)

[frosty cedar]

howly boi is bis

[misty bough]

the howl?

no way the howl is better than potent

[thorny pond]

Needs more lumbering

[fallen arch]

Erratic howler is good

[thorny pond]

And the rest of your raid to get the 15% beams

[misty bough]

erratic does ~10 hits in a 3:20 fight

[plain thistle]

yes, and each hit is 25-30k? something like that

[slow marsh]

The larva thing is what youd swap

[misty bough]

yhea its shadownerfed

it did 25% of my damage week1

[plain thistle]

I got it this week when I got rank1 (private )

[misty bough]

ages ago

[plain thistle]

10% of my damage

[misty bough]

less ages agop

[wild storm]

yuh. it's pretty good

[plain thistle]

5 days ago

[wild storm]

ooo and the potent. nice

[plain thistle]

yup, I was completly bis

[copper sundial]

hmmm

[limber lion]

The bis setup is most likely just Elethium Weights, Huddled Carvings, Potent Acid Gland and Erratic Howler

Swapping out Erratic Howl for Lumbering Form, if you dare.

[bleak sky]

outlaw #1 is sim bait for sure

[slow marsh]

Sin isn't even optimized as of now so

[odd hazel]

I’ll re roll before I play outlaw

[slow marsh]

I will be very surprised if dashing frost isn't firmly #1 when it's all said and done

Dashing frost already sims higher than current outlaw, so it should beat it after buffs too

[mint kindle]

What do you guys do when you have a 3 min cd trinket? Use it on CD or wait for the 3rd Vendetta to do it?

Or do you align it with Flag and ignore Vendetta?

[slow marsh]

Use on CD unless there's a mechanic or intermission or something

[mint kindle]

With Flag? Or align Flag + Vendetta following the rule

[slow marsh]

Is it iqd?

[mint kindle]

Yes

[slow marsh]

I guess it depends on fight length

[mint kindle]

Yeah I guess

[slow marsh]

I could see holding it for the flag vendetta sync if the fight will be that long

But

[mint kindle]

Should I sim it & see what raidbots does?

[slow marsh]

Most fights are not that long or shouldn't be

Raidbots uses it on CD but you could I suppose

[uncut cairn]

Anyone know the rough drop rate of sylvanas's dagger? And is that dagger why melee is often our top dps?

[slow marsh]

Not at all

If you freshen up on the tooltip it procs on finishers

[uncut cairn]

I was wondering if it still counted it as melee, my melee is always terrible compared to others. Might just be my daggers

[strange python]

How r u guys as assa SSing Remnant of Nerzhul? I am the one closest to the edge and I just cant SS boss, boss is kinda close but still cant do it

[plain thistle]

why? you should be able to just shadowstep it

get a mass dispell WA

[strange python]

Just cant, its like no apth available, M spamming it and nothing

Where should I look? I am looking towards boss

and still cant manage it

[plain thistle]

not sure, never had that problem, try not stepping on the edge

[uncut cairn]

Pretty sure If you're off the ledge it will give you that message, so long as you hit SS before breaking the platform's vertical barrier you should be fine

[vast forum]

You need to step as soon as you get dispelled

That's why a md wa is almost mandatory

[strange python]

Yes I have WA, m trying to time it but its not working, Its like some invis wall was between me and boss

[vast forum]

As puffer said, if you fly over the edge it doesn't give you a path anymore

[strange python]

So should I be far from the edge?

[vast forum]

Because 🍝 code

No, you need to basically press step as the cast is ending, not even 0.1 sec after

[drowsy parcel]

bs ds pb or ep vig ct

for painsmith

[halcyon zealot]

prob ep vig pb

[limber lion]

Definitely EP/Vig/PB

[drowsy parcel]

idunno im kinda feeling ct

proccing pb when moving through balls triggers me

[limber lion]

Then play CT if you want.

[real pewter]

Do we use skirmish or eternal stats?

[limber lion]

Skirmish.

[real pewter]

kk

[placid dawn]

For remnant, you can click on the other guy with the bomb and shadowstep him

[strange python]

i have 2 heroic blood dom sockets already in heroic items. is it worth me buying the third part from Korthia NPC to complete BLood Link even though its 13 ilvls lower ?

[placid dawn]

You can sim it

[strange python]

how

whats it called or whatever

[placid dawn]

Buy it, use top gear

If its not an upgrade refund it

Just don't equip and make it unable to refund. Its probably worth it, hands come from painsmith and sylvanas I think

[jaunty kayak]

tier 1 frost set better than maxed out Dyz shard?

[azure bronze]

Cause it gives you set bonus

Which is more powerful then just one shard

[real pewter]

How doe scloak interact with nerzhul knockback?

If it does at all

[harsh anchor]

AFAIK, no damage but still knocks you back

[real pewter]

Ahh fuck

[rapid forum]

pretty sure no knochback

[harsh anchor]

Unless they’ve changed it recently. I was knocked back cloaking

[tranquil lagoon]

Hay guys was wondering how every one was finding rogue this patch ? 😛

[south belfry]

Very sneaky

[tranquil lagoon]

lol

[real pewter]

Rogue is really fun imo

One of the few classes that doesn't feel objectively worse than it did in Legion, so I like it

All 3 specs play very differently too

[tranquil lagoon]

and the dmg is ok ? 😛

Thinking about playing ass spec

[real pewter]

Ass is one of the top ST in the game atm

[limber lion]

Damage is really good.

[south belfry]

Ass is good

I'm something of an assman myself

[plain thistle]

ass is indeed good

[thin imp]

Any consensus on best dagger? I thought it was tirna's one, I have plagefall's one at 236 and was thinking of expending valor to upgrade it, not sure if worth it

at the moment 239+233(sylvanas)

[real pewter]

Tirna/Sylv is probably bis

sylv offhand

[thin imp]

so better try to farm tirna's one instead of wasting valour

[real pewter]

If you can

I got lucky and got 2 after around 25 mists runs

[thin imp]

hmm yea 1000 valor for 55 dps increase is probably not worth now

[sterile torrent]

is there any top logger / assa rogue that can review a Eye mythic fight from my pov? I really want to know the major mistakes i am doing

[tulip nacelle]

if you cloak within 0.5 seconds of the dispell you immune the knockback as well

[limber lion]

You can and should sim it

[real pewter]

But wouldn't cloak pop the mark

and knock everyone back?

[limber lion]

No, it does not.

[real pewter]

Oh fuck.

okay

Why wouldn'tI just immediately cloak then?

[limber lion]

Why would you?

[real pewter]

So I can just focus on boss dps?

Instead of standing on the edge?

[limber lion]

wat

[real pewter]

What's confusing about that

[limber lion]

it doesn't remove the mark

[dawn ivy]

its going to knock everyone else

it just doesnt affect you

[limber lion]

cloak does nothing

[timid talon]

it prevents you from being knocked

[dawn ivy]

also you can just shadowstep, and hold cloak for if you get hit by swirly silence

[sterile torrent]

is there any top logger / assa rogue that can review a Eye mythic fight from my pov? I really want to know the major mistakes i am doing

[real pewter]

Okay, that's what I was asking

Whether it would knock everyone else back

"and knock everyone back?"

[limber lion]

You asked 2 questions

"Wouldn't it pop the mark"

"AND knock everyone back"

The answer is no

It would not pop the mark

thus it wouldn't knock anyone back

The cloak does nothing to the mark

it'll still be on you

You cannot immune it to get rid of it

It has to be dispelled.

Or allowed to drop

[real pewter]

k so it avoids the knockback but doesn't avoid the knockback.

[limber lion]

It avoids the knockback for you

but not for anyone else.

[sterile torrent]

is there any top logger / assa rogue that can review a Eye mythic fight from my pov? I really want to know the major mistakes i am doing

[limber lion]

But like said, you need to have your cloak up right as you get dispelled.

Otherwise it does nothing.

Just link your log here and we'll take a look.

[sterile torrent]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1105034400 26:15

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/kazzak/fætzki

[dawn ivy]

a log is going to be the easiest way to review you bud

a vod makes it extremely annoying to find out what your rotation/uptime is

[sterile torrent]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2wacqbkArZhXvCLF#fight=6&type=damage-done

[merry mountain]

With remanent my heroic strategy is to get knocked back from the first dispell and then cloak the second knock back. Assuming I don't have malevolence

[sterile torrent]

here

soz

[merry mountain]

and shadowstep otherwise

[dawn ivy]

i really hope my guild never has a reason to stop doing mass dispell strat

[limber lion]

Snoops log review

[sharp zodiac]

Just Mass only invest one SS

[wooden crag]

is there anyway that maim, mangle can sim better than SF?

[untold nest]

does for me

[merry mountain]

I'm dps. I'm not in control of the dispel strat 🙃

[untold nest]

with DB

[merry mountain]

I've also spent hours watching healers try and figure out mass dispel and then get it with 1 pull and regular dispel so 🤷🏻‍♀️

[bleak sky]

you can always shadowstep tho

just save cloak to greed dps while there's shit falling on the floor

[late birch]

Is it worth pooling on opener after garrote before going into flag rupture burst thing?

[limber lion]

No

If you play BS/DS and you're a blood elf, you can use Arcane Torrent after the garrote

but otherwise just slam the cds

the faster your vend/vanish/shiv are cd, the more likely you are to get more uses out of them during the fight.

and full value out of them

[trail anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-offerman-jackson-boudreaux-slam-slam-it-down-will-and-grace-gif-10703428

CD usage

[late birch]

MA burst feels so bad without Heimer

switched to venthyr like yesterday or something

so little crit I had to switch to Mut+env+mut after vanish

[limber lion]

What does Heirmir have that makes it better?

[late birch]

crit in burst window

[limber lion]

Yeah, true.

I guess it does feel a bit better

[late birch]

higher chance of getting 4 CP when doing vanish env+mut+_envh

[limber lion]

But Flag is usually a very popular pick for the feels-good ability

[late birch]

ye def

still fucking up reopener

[limber lion]

:P

[late birch]

getting used to it

had no practice and busy with remnant lol

[limber lion]

Yeh, takes a few pulls to get used to it

[brazen gyro]

so for assin aoe, I fok at 4+ targets and crimson tempest at 2+? and i dont spam crimson tempest right, I just refresh it and spread ruptures between refreshes?

[tardy sentinel]

is kyrian better than necro to raid as sin right now ? since necro is bugged

[fallen arch]

No

Necro solid

Bugs annoying

[limber lion]

Correct.

[fallen arch]

But by no means unplayable

[tardy sentinel]

ty

[steel ridge]

does poison bomb trigger dashing scoundrel?

[hollow river]

i was also curious of this^

whether only deadly poison triggers the energy regen or if all bleeds/pb

[shadow tusk]

What type of Sim works for soulrender mythic type boss fight?

[limber lion]

Yes it does.

[digital nova]

would you guys recommend assassination for a returning player basically starting fresh again? does this spec have a high skill floor etc I've tried reading & watching guides on various classes but i find all the info a bit overwhelming

[limber lion]

Ehh, nothing really. But Hectic Add Cleave gives a good idea

just don't follow it like the bible.

[hollow river]

what about the rest of your bleeds?

[limber lion]

Assassination is really easy to get into, would recommend it.

[steel ridge]

dashing says nothing about bleeds

[shadow tusk]

trying to find out if edge of night 246 > 246 crit/mast weapon

[steel ridge]

i guess dashing would go with Master Poisoner Talent

thats the most passive stuff in all of wow

[digital nova]

it was mostly the AoE/dot management side of things that looked a bit complicated, single target seemed simple enough, but youd recommend it yeah

[limber lion]

Yeah for sure. AOE is a bit difficult because it requires tracking multiple targets, but for raiding purposes it's really good.

You can always migrate to other specs if it's not your cup of tea, but it's a good spec to start off with :P

[digital nova]

I have tried so many classes and levelled a lot of them quite substantially but i need to lock onto one or ill end up quitting hahaha hope this is the one

[toxic root]

can someone send me the ideal conduit page for necro assa m+ ?

thanks in advance

[tacit wedge]

Shadowgrasp totem is simming properly?

Friend told me it's a bit fucky

[plain thistle]

yes

[tacit wedge]

Thanks

[exotic hare]

are there people here that play sin for raids and outlaw for m+?

[copper hazel]

probably most people

[exotic hare]

so u basically try to maximize your gear for sin?

and just play outlaw in m+

[copper hazel]

sure

if thats how you want to do it

youll get pieces for both and just make some gear sets

sim it for both specs

[exotic hare]

ok thanks

[timid talon]

How do the sims for tuesday look so far? the other channels make it seem like outlaw is going to be the play

I haven't seen anything posted here yet though

[zinc frost]

One day I’m gonna be waking up to everyone in discord spamming “omg it’s fixed! They fixed bonespike”….. one day

[azure bronze]

patch 9.1.5

[zinc frost]

I’m hoping for pre-patch for next expansion

[placid pagoda]

Swapping back to venth for this sole reason

[placid pagoda]

Shadow step always up for second knock back

[torn atlas]

I've got my return to necro quest ready for hand in, just waiting on that day.

[solar willow]

for m+ actually is better venth was necro bonespike bug?

[placid pagoda]

How do you bank the quest?

Do the returns then go back to the previous cov?

[torn atlas]

Switching doesn't take effect until you have completed the quest. So just start the quest and complete the criteria, but don't hand it in until you're ready.

[chrome cedar]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[dusty beacon]

Guys there is any haste cap for assa ST? i have like 1000 haste and 500 crit and i dont know if thats how my stats should be :S

[vast forum]

The cap is at 50000 haste

But you should sim your current gear in top gear

[placid pagoda]

Makes sense, thanks for the clarity

[vast forum]

With gem/ench combos

[dusty beacon]

Okey i will try, thanks!

[viscid pulsar]

New to Sin Rogue - I am Venthyr, running Nadjia. What are my potency conduits going to be?

[placid pagoda]

Lashing

And then whatever your highest is out of steel or the other assa ones

[clear anvil]

What is the softcap for assassination on haste?

[viscid pulsar]

Cool thanks. Pins say Obedience on Back slot for Venthyr sin rogue. Just want to double check this is correct still?

[limber lion]

There isn't one.

Just sim yourself.,

[clear anvil]

Okey thanks

[viscid pulsar]

Also, what stat to put on Obedience?

[limber lion]

Crit/Haste for Assassination, Crit/Vers if you want to play Sub with it as well.

[exotic hare]

does anyone have success playing sin in m+?

[limber lion]

Yes, it works great.

[exotic hare]

what leggo are u using?

[full tendon]

Zoldyc

[pale plank]

I am using doomblade and I do surprisingly good dps

[slow marsh]

Will likely change on tuesday

[limber lion]

Zoldyck.

[limber lion]

Yes, we put Obedience on the cloak.

[exotic hare]

doomblade for raid?

[limber lion]

Yes sir.

[cold rampart]

whats the bis set ?

[idle star]

frost at rank 5

[placid pagoda]

@limber lion Zoldiks changed from boots?

[limber lion]

Use Legs for Zoldyck.

[placid pagoda]

Ty

[kindred heron]

Are you using same raid gear besides leggo for M+? Heard the stat prio is different since we focus on AOE

[placid pagoda]

Assa m+ stats is crit mast

[placid pagoda]

Raid crit haste as general rule to follow

[limber lion]

I don't have gear to switch between raid and m+

I just use the highest ilvl pieces available generally.

No point switching enchants/gems

[kindred heron]

Cool, ty

[narrow ravine]

I just setup two different soulbinds, one for raids and one for m+

[mental trout]

how would one macro in Potion of Spectral Agility with Vendetta?

[strange python]

/use potion blah blah
/cast skill

probs best to keep them seperate mind

chances are your guild/raid lead will be asking you to use potions at a specific point of the fight

wouldn't want to accidentaly bust it earlier than that

[mental trout]

yea already have H raid on farm

[strange python]

generally speaking I try to keep everything I can on different binds unless no matter what the rule always remains the same

not going into mythic too?

the idea is more to practice with purpose

rather than practice poorly and develop worse habits

[mental trout]

i dont have to hold em for any thing i just blast em with vend

[strange python]

holy fucking what? they aren't just buffing bloods damage they're buffing the healing too?

heck

big hecc

[timid talon]

yeah tanks gonna love it come tuesday

[strange python]

it's fair, I totally get the idea, and you do you, a macro will work just fine. I just PERSONALLY would just advise getting comfy and sticking to mozart on the keyboard, you're better off in the long run

[mental trout]

I may go into mythic not sure, i have a business so really dont have much time to play tbh. Im happy to be in H for only 1 day a week instead of 2 nights. I can make 2 nights a week but it is nice to only have 1.

[strange python]

even if a raid wasn't going to make you care about where you do stuff, I'd do it anyway so I don't get caught training myself to expect one thing and then having to change it

[mental trout]

Im not sure if i could find a raiding guild for mythic that only raids 2 nights a week and doesnt end raid so late

like right now my guild raids 8-11pm EST

2x a week

I would love to raid like 6-9pm or 7-10pm 2X a week for mythic, i could do that

[strange python]

it's understandable, it's not really a point you have to defend in any way. If you want to use a macro by all means, it's not going to do damage to you in all likelihood.

it was more meant as a longer term advise thing.

100% though you do you.
a /use potion /cast macro will work for you

[minor turtle]

any knows a good german assa pve guide? my english is garbage

[pale plank]

Just found out right now that I can pool for shiv

Man I have been just blasting

[strange python]

big stonks

[hollow river]

There are A LOT of mythic guilds that raid these hrs 2 nights a week.

[mental trout]

Yea? Do most mythic guilds have you sign up on some website? Also what kind of parses are they looking for normally? Also do most guilds require you to do things outside of raiding?

[hollow river]

some guilds will require that you grind your rep like korthia, for sockets for +16 stat gems

but casual mythic guilds normally do not

also heroic parses are kinda pointless

most want to see past Mythic experience

but you can find a guild to Trial with i'm sure

wowprogress.com is a good site to lf a guild

[indigo mulch]

I wish i could parse mythic. :/

I can't even parse heroic.

😢

[cold rampart]

is there an order for strongest shard?

[vestal chasm]

We all wait to make legos til reset again, yeah? Sitting ready to make 262 but not sure what to do

[limber lion]

Shards themselves are not huge, but the sets are massive.

[final trail]

Do we have any predictions on how well frost is going to perform with the buffs compared to unholy?

[wise gull]

there are estimated sims pinned in the sub channel

[final trail]

Thanks!

[wise gull]

np!

[vestal chasm]

I guess I should say, if I don't have all the soul cinders in the world and would like to raid and M+, should I just make an obedience or wait til reset day

[fallow moat]

anyone know a way i could simc my char but instead of being necro but venthyr?

[lean coral]

are the sin sims with the dashing leggo?

with the frost buff

[dull cloak]

obviously make the most versatile lego on your 262, but know that using a 235 lego is perfectly fine for raid/m+

[placid dawn]

Just pick the soulbinds in top gear, it changes the covenant

[exotic hare]

i just came back, can u just infinitely farm soul ashe now?

[heavy forge]

yeah, either run thorgast you already cleared to get 20% of the soul ashes, or run on an alt and buy crates that cost 300 soul ashes to send 250 to anothar character

[subtle otter]

if im venthyr, should I run with doomblade or obedience leggo? ive heard different things

in raids

[azure bronze]

Sim both and see which one is better

But it's probably doomblade

[subtle otter]

thanks alot! btw does the edge of night (sylvanas dagger) passive stack? or is it unncessary to weild two of them?

[reef isle]

the question is did you have two of em already?!

[placid dawn]

it stacks

probably the damage part

[subtle otter]

so its optimal to use two of them?

I havent seen a single rogue using 2 of them, thats why im asking

[reef isle]

cause prob nobody has two already

[timid talon]

because no one is that lucky

[azure bronze]

Cause they are hard to get

I think ceverion has two of them

[reef isle]

😠

luckyyy

[subtle otter]

I got two aswell, one hc and one normal

guess ill keep using them then

[reef isle]

wow nice

[plain thistle]

for assa 252 main hand is probably better than a 246 sylv dagger, thats why people usually dont use 2

[reef isle]

tru

[plain thistle]

but yeah, they are also hard to get

[azure bronze]

Unless you play sub right?

Cause of deeper buffing their damage?

[plain thistle]

sub also uses a lot more finisher than us

[subtle otter]

Im mainly looking at sub actually, as its my mainspec, but offspeccing assa

2 sylvanas daggers are still the best or?

only seen 1 rogue on raiderio top with both, rest only has one, now when I checked sub

[plain thistle]

the correct answer is sim yourself

[subtle otter]

did and it says they sim highest, just think its weird almost no one has them both equipped

so I figured why not ask xD

[plain thistle]

but high ilvl main hand is probably better than 2x 246 sylv daggers

252 main hand

[subtle otter]

I simmed that since I got it in vault but it still told me my 246 slyv dagger and 233 dagger did more

[plain thistle]

really? for assa? you didnt forget to add enchants right?

[proper mango]

Is Obedience bonus Versatility a direct 0,5% to my total or is it 0,5% of my current versa i have?

[quasi ledge]

Adds to your total

[proper mango]

okay great thanks, i wasnt sure and thought it might improve if i get more versa on gear.
relieved thanks

[mental trout]

any big brain strats to deal with chains in Phase 1 sylvanas in Heroic ?

I mean as a Raid Group, but also any thing i can do? Cloak work? i know feint will help with dmg.

[steep obsidian]

Umm have some people single target the far ones? Bop people who get high stacks and can’t clear.

It’s physical so cloak doesn’t work

[mental trout]

Yea was just hoping there was a way to group them like mythic happens... So stupid that in mythic they make them all stack. Looks alot easier lol

[lavish lichen]

If they didn’t stack on mythic

You would run 14 boomkins

[mental trout]

with convoke lol?

[lavish lichen]

With anything

Just for starfall

[mental trout]

true

[lavish lichen]

Its already they hardest phase

Even when they are stacked

[mental trout]

do the chains always pick the closest target?

or is it random on H

[proper mango]

closest target

@mental trout you can influence the drops of the chain-spears a little bit. We stack all on one point like 0.2% before intermission so that most of the spears land more closely together

[icy dock]

did i miss something why is no one playing venthyr leggo anymore

[mental trout]

ok thanks

[dusk void]

I just finally caught up to 54 renown and kinda want to go necro 😫

[hollow river]

Doomblade just sims better for most people/obedience isn’t far enough ahead to want to implement a new playstyle. Also obedience CDR is useless on fights where you don’t get an extra flag cast in.

[zinc frost]

Necro is lots of fun but be warned it’s very buggy. I personally swapped out of it because I was getting too frustrated at bonespikes not refunding properly or awarding the correct CP.

[empty hound]

I currently don't have a domination set, how big of a difference did it make numbers wise for yall?

[plain thistle]

close to 1k dps

[plain thistle]

here rank 3 unholy vs no set > https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n612upquGVgzLDqp5nAH7b

for my gear

[empty hound]

How are yall aready getting rank 3 level shards?

Thanks man^

[plain thistle]

hmmm you should be able to have 2 full sets at rank 3 right now

or 1 full rank 4 + a couple pieces rank 3

[cobalt pelican]

ya a rank 3 set is like.. low right now

i'm on a rank 3 set + rank 4 dyz with like 100 spare embers cause i don't have what i want yet

so rank 3 is like my 'i might randomly throw this shit away lol' set

[tribal marlin]

You should have earned 220 amber doing full heroic since day 1 (+1 per mythic boss kill)

217 if you didn't kill Sylvie first week (+1 per mythic boss kill)

[ebon notch]

Bro my sim scammed me

Every piece I simmed it was encouraging me to stack crit and vers

Putting me at like 18% haste with tazavesh trinket

So I started ignoring it and stacking haste and my sim DPS went up by 500

[winged basin]

man... 7.3k on Eye mythic is only a 60 parse

I cry

[plain thistle]

[obsidian socket]

[ebon notch]

I swear officer

[ebon notch]

If you have unholy bonus you should be doing way more

[slim pebble]

My GM has requested that I go back venthyr for raiding... if I don't have a full frost set is it worth crafting scoundrel or should I go with obedience once I can craft it

[ebon notch]

Only if you wanna play sub also

Otherwise you can go doomblade

[winged basin]

I dont, I have frost.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gkTdw8GJcRWA74NV#fight=15&type=damage-done

rogue below me has unholy

[winged basin]

why is your raid lead telling you to go venth, are you preforming poorly in your current cov?

when my rl told me that I told him to eat my shorts

[slim pebble]

They didn't tell me, it was more of a suggestion

[ebon notch]

Post your parse after reset

[winged basin]

word

[cobalt pelican]

does your gm play rogue or have any idea about rogues

[winged basin]

I got you

I like frost set rn

I dont have helm for unholy

but it feels really good when frost procs

might mess around a full send into it, and if its bad, I will unalive myself

[lavish pulsar]

Question, didn't see it pinned. Does a 246 Edge of Night do more dps than a 252? not for me, or i would sim

[winged basin]

I THINK there is something in FAQ about that @lavish pulsar

I am almost positive i saw it somewhere...

[lavish pulsar]

oh there it is 👀

[kind talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/645808461329989643.png?v=1

whats ur name toadie

[lavish pulsar]

doesn't really talk about mainhand though

[kind talon]

hikigaeru?

[winged basin]

HIkigaeru

thats me

this is prog so I might have played kinda poopy

[kind talon]

this me

[winged basin]

hikigaeru means toad in japanese or some shit

I wish I could just be Toad

but unlucky