Not sure tbh, I heard there was some sort of soft cap but only hearsay
#assassination
icy nova
well went again and got a renown, so looks like i was just being really unlucky 😅
hollow river
think it'd be best to sync flag/vendetta for 2nd 2 minutes p1 sylv?
summer cipher
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
pale plank
you lucky bastard!
stone gate
you lucky bastard!
my first time beating sylv as well :d
stone gate
:D
pale plank
does blindside execute effect works on sylv? since she never drops below 50%
upper wedge
You answered your own question
vestal coyote
Still pending sims on knowing if Dashing + frost set good next week?
zinc frost
Still pending sims on knowing if Dashing + frost set good next week?
Yessssir
fiery mauve
Dashing frost was already good prior to buffs no?
Just needed high ilvl
Ans high crit
cobalt pelican
you can sim your own character right now, but people don't know if the fixes to frost will work as intended
so generally just wait regardless
slow marsh
yes wait but also dashing frost is going to be bonkers
fervent rune
What if you have 28% crit would it still be good to invest in frost dashing or rock or unholy/doom for now. I currently don’t have either gem set bonus. Missing shoulders and helm 😭
Hoping to get one this week or out of vault
zinc frost
Just wait my dude, sim yourself when the fixes come out and see how it goes for you
hollow river
anyone willing to take a look at my logs
thorny pond
You can link em
hollow river
dm?
mild dagger
uhhh my sim went from 8k to 12k with ticking sack and iqd that doesnt seem right lmao
like im 232 theres no way i can do 12k
hollow river
So far I see bad gem/trinket/weapon luck
nah don't look at that gear
craggy basin
is it set to dslice or somethign ? @mild dagger
hollow river
thats from the last time i switched to outlaw spec to change the gear to my new stuff
thorny pond
uhhh my sim went from 8k to 12k with ticking sack and iqd that doesnt seem right...
link
I was looking at your gear you used on the latest kills
not your current
mild dagger
yea it was set to 4 target im an idiot
hollow river
I was looking at your gear you used on the latest kills
not possible
239 stat dagger and 242 totem is bad luck?
i mean ik its not best but
thorny pond
So what do you want from me?
hollow river
trying to figure out where i can improve
thorny pond
I can diagnose your 32% Gotf1 parse or the latest one which
sinful citrus
With that kill time on guardian you should of got another cast of flag right?
hollow river
depends which one u look at
sinful citrus
The 4 45
thorny pond
0/90/180/270
thorny pond
So cursory glance, slam shiv more
hollow river
i didn't miss a flag
thorny pond
So slam shiv more, and get better at pooling for it
you have a few windows where it's shiv then ???
hollow river
i slam shiv
hollow river
literally on CD
thorny pond
you should have pooled, shiv'd then envenomed
hollow river
mechanic prolly
green nacelle
what mechanic has you slamming envenom
thorny pond
I can pick apart your logs or you can keep parsing low
thorny pond
pick
hollow river
????
thorny pond
You asked for a log review. I am offering some simple things to increase your DPS. Arguments for why isn't helping your DPS
hollow river
im not arguing
simply talking
not sitting here saying nah fuck you you're wrong
blahblahblah
thorny pond
And consisntely like your shiv windows, pre pool for flag. You have a lot of windows where you are recasting garrote early which is a low CP gain/high eng cost
Which obviously garrote needs up, but look at flag as going in with 5/6CP and 80-100 energy
slam it, finish then some quick builds
hollow river
how early?
thorny pond
You'll see a better parse simply by being better with flag/shiv windows. Try to get 2-3 envenoms in that shiv window but 1-2 is ok, you have some with none
hollow river
was i doing garrote i mean
thorny pond
Like you flag, env ambush garrote
which again, isn't awful
but you could have not mutilated
sat for a moment pooling
garrote, flag, env ambush
hollow river
garrote even if at max?
thorny pond
No if you didn't mut you wouldnt be at max
hollow river
i always just do it when wa says its in pandemic
thorny pond
hollow river
ahh
thorny pond
Yeah wait
then you'd have pooled
I guess it's a minmax thing, I don't have SGT but some people are saying it's hasted so try to line up with thrill seeker
but that's like w/e
double on use sucks ass
hollow river
does syncing flag+vendetta make a big difference?
green nacelle
only if you don't lose a flag cast
thorny pond
You only sync if you won't lose a cast
green nacelle
that's just fight knowledge though
thorny pond
to get the initial stacks from lashing in the vend window but that's some extra
You flag rupt mut shiv mut vend vanish
hollow river
some say vanish->env some people say not a big deal
thorny pond
which isn't awful and openers don't make a huge diff but w/e. You can clean it up a lil
that's target dummy practice
thorny pond
Realistically, you want to get your CDs going on CD earlier the better
hollow river
You flag rupt mut shiv mut vend vanish
yeah thats what ive been aiming for more lately
green nacelle
i'm synced with Flag + Vendetta
thorny pond
Yea that is what you do, I was saying it's slightly off
thorny pond
You can mut snd mut gar vend flag rupt or flag vend rupt
As long as your vanish window is any combo of mutx2 and env it doesn't matter order
mut mut env
env mut mut
etc
green nacelle
if you're EP + Vig
thorny pond
Either way
hollow river
with vanish
hollow river
happens a lot for me
thorny pond
Worst case you play BS/DS and get 2 muts into an env oh well
thorny pond
But yea, I'd review the #assassination-faq opener if you have some spare time. you can move your CDs up a few GCDs which may not mean anything really but could be an extra cast
Totem during Thrill
hollow river
is thrill on icd?
thorny pond
that one
I wouldn't hold it long, same rules apply as flag, as long as you don't lost a cast
thorny pond
We're all waiting
agile geode
It depends on fight
thorny pond
Lot riding on correct bugfix
thorny pond
and then you're gonna prob have to farm Dashing + get your frost shards up to par with your UH
Dashing gains inherent value on cleave anyways
and you're not playing sin aoe lol
real pewter
I'm necro
thorny pond
Ok
thorny pond
to each their own. I like my xpac feature to work and not be bugged
real pewter
What about necro is bugged atm?
thorny pond
I'd rather they fix covenent abilities vs screwing with shards but w/e
zinc frost
I'd rather they fix covenent abilities vs screwing with shards but w/e
10000 percent
real pewter
Sub isn't fun enough for me to play so I take that sacrifice
Then again, even with the bug, it's more fun than another 2 min cd on my rogue tbh
Me want more buttons
Here's hoping blizzard fixes it in a year before they remove all covenant abilities next expansion
zinc frost
It’s fun but doing keys and having zero charges after packs is absolute trash
thorny pond
Sub M+ is a wet dream
real pewter
It seems to still refund decently for me
thorny pond
highly encourage you to try it
real pewter
However, I have noticed the 1 cp generation bug for sure
It's really frustrating
Necro + Sub just doesn't feel great tbh
real pewter
I might dig into it a bit more once I finish up getting decent at Outlaw, which is fun in M+ too
Oh is emeni BiS for keys now?
thorny pond
If you wanna spaz, just roll a fury war
real pewter
That was my prior main
thorny pond
It's not but can be good
real pewter
lol
real pewter
But I can't stick to one character for over a year at this point ever since blizzard axed tier sets. I just can't handle playing the same exact spec with zero variation for two expansions in a row.
nocturne herald
I only really normal raid, trying to look at some logs to see if it's me fucking up or just being one of the low level guildies. If I want to see like if I'm missing vendetta/shiv casts, do I just click the aura and like scroll the the casts to see if it's every 25 or is there something a little clearer?
hollow river
yeah
thorny pond
but haste doesn't really do energy regen
thorny pond
You get more energy back from hasted bleeds returning energy
hollow river
feels so bad
thorny pond
You don't have to, ideally spreading out envenoms a tad bit to extend the envenom buff is best practice but nobody does it
it'll become more important when dashing is the meta
hollow river
like waiting a full GCD for max -30% energy before envenoms
thorny pond
your dps goes up?
real pewter
Is there a site I can use to look up what people are running for M+? Warcraftlogs doesn't show much
hollow river
even the envenom buff falls off for a second usually
thorny pond
Yea it's not gonna be up 100%
but you want to maximize it's up time, moreso again when dashing is the meta
thorny pond
If you go frost it'll be the meta
hollow river
i know lol
thorny pond
assuming a AAA company doesn't screw up more things with this hotfix
hollow river
thorny pond
but it'll probably cause eyebeam to not crit
or full moon will just be removed
won't affect us
thorny pond
With your 3pc UH you should've done better
real pewter
When you responded to me in regards to domination socket prospects, did u mean that Unholy is likely to stay BiS? Or is Frost better on aoe encounters now?
thorny pond
Frost has no aoe standing
hollow river
With your 3pc UH you should've done better
and did worse than my other parse
thorny pond
UH will prob be AoE, but again, sin aoe
zinc frost
Dashing frost will be for your pain smith/guardian fights etc
thorny pond
dashing will be your always fight
hollow river
fight time was like 30 seconds longer with my UH set
zinc frost
Scoundrel the leggo
hollow river
leggo
thorny pond
Yea ideally your fight ends right as your CDs end
but
gray parse with 3 UH gems isn't a gear issue unfort
real pewter
I'm so out of the loop, dashing is gonna be good? lol
Mfw CE raider has no idea wtf is happening
placid dawn
it will be good at high ilvl with a lot of crit and frost gems
thorny pond
I'm so out of the loop, dashing is gonna be good? lol
Theoretically, once they buff and fix the bug frost shard set, dashing gains immense value since it basically causes a higher crit chance
real pewter
Ahh due to the synergy.
placid dawn
cause frost gems interact with crit chance and dashing increasing crit chance of poisons
real pewter
Oh that's pretty interesting
Shit man, are we going to be using more than 1 legendary?
thorny pond
No
placid dawn
also, nadija last soulbind has some extra crit so you get more value
so for venthyr it is bigger than other covs
real pewter
There is some powerful crits with necro too
Gemstone
Welp, My frost and unholy set are equally built atm
So I guess now I just wait
Let the sim gods tell me how to play
thorny pond
So realistically, and no offense, but being so new to rogue, it's either your alt or a new main and you aren't pushing CE this month, it won't matter
real pewter
I mean yeah I'm not pushing CE this month i'm only 3/10M lmao
thorny pond
Doom and UH will be viable
real pewter
But I like my pink parses
hollow river
no way bro his guild needed a rogue right now
thorny pond
and I needed you to log out in sin gear and spec so I could talk about your sims but here we are
real pewter
How much value is necro getting next week with Heirmer's last SB trait?
hollow river
do u not like jokes
thorny pond
bruh you had WfT too
zinc frost
It’s decent. If you go through top gear you can add the last trait and see the increase
hollow river
bruh you had WfT too
in the most recent?
real pewter
Seems minimal but yeah i can check it out
thorny pond
yea bu tno monk/dh/warrior
hollow river
yeah it was a pug
thorny pond
so I take back my statement
hollow river
):
real pewter
I wonder if Bonespike's bug makes running the conduit not worth it
thorny pond
I've fed my ele sham a painsmith weapon and 2 trinkets to go enh for me
Doesn't affect it
hollow river
ive been looking at logs trying to figure out what the issue is
hollow river
wym
thorny pond
Sudden Fractures @real pewter
like right now the skill ceiling is super pushed
especially with good gear
real pewter
It's frustrating the BiS conduit is one we have a really obnoxious time upgrading
Pushed how?
real pewter
kk
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e9jpek1NiinSokQP3wCK5t Maim is simming marginally higher
Pretty much not worth
real pewter
Also, weird question, does the recuperate conduit only work on recast?
thorny pond
no
real pewter
Or is it just persistent as your SaD is up
thorny pond
latter
real pewter
Damn that's good
thorny pond
it just kinda sucks
real pewter
Really?
Seems like solid passiv ehealing
for a conduit
Maybe I should just run rushed setup then
thorny pond
Trickz got 72k healing out of it in a 5min fight
idle star
Ok so hopefully get shoulders tonight. Then i can get to upgrade frost shards and craft dashing. Looks like fun
idle star
Prepare for all is awsome too
placid dawn
is recuperator better than the generic hp recovery conduit?
thorny pond
fade isn't horrible
hollow river
Trickz got 72k healing out of it in a 5min fight
so like, i was told gear shouldn't be an issue in parsing atm
thorny pond
so like, i was told gear shouldn't be an issue in parsing atm
Yea if you have good gear
ebon notch
Hahahaha
hollow river
"you can parse purple/90+ without good gear"
thorny pond
that's a lie
real pewter
That's never not been a lie
hollow river
thats what i thought
real pewter
It's an RPG with vertical progression
hollow river
they said they parse 90% without UH bonus
thorny pond
you're fighting against people who have r4 UH sets, syvl daggers, phial + fusion
hollow river
i said maybe week 1
thorny pond
But again
thorny pond
you SHOULD be higher
don't pug it so bad next time, get at least the warrior, dh, monk, do what I pointed out
real pewter
Sylv daggers aren't simming that high for me tho
thorny pond
then start taking it seriously
thorny pond
moreso for sub but a 246 OH is pretty meaty for all specs
hollow river
9/10H
real pewter
Was hoping for a bigger impact, but thye look cool so I just want for the mog
thorny pond
Yea and a 233 is a 5 ilvl up over your OH too Trickz
go farm a phial and an OH
maybe a MH
real pewter
Had to do 22 M+ runs second week just to farm vial and a weapon
gl
Now i'm just waiting on salvaged fusion Amp which BTFO's every trinket in the entire raid
thorny pond
SGT is close enough
hollow river
SGT is close enough
?
hollow river
i have SGT
real pewter
Okay, help me out, what's SGT?
thorny pond
Art doesn't
hollow river
shadowgrasp totem
thorny pond
Shadowgrasp Totem
real pewter
Oh fuck
hollow river
Ooh ok
real pewter
true
I forgot that one is so busted
Amp seems way more fun, but the KT trinket is hella fucking underwhelming
thorny pond
I'll take one convergence of fates and a pre-nerf draught please
real pewter
For having 2 paragraphs of flavor text you'd think it'd be more than 5k damage on a 1 minute cooldown and some passive frost dmg
thorny pond
NH had best raid trinkets
thorny pond
Not legos
real pewter
Easily legos.
thorny pond
Nope
real pewter
I'd take legion legos, even with their garbage acquisition, over Shadowlands gimped limp-dick booboo baby passive damage legos anyday
thorny pond
You were never on a prog boss and the other rogue rips the BiS boots from a blingtron
or going into EN prog with Sephuz
real pewter
I'm talking from a gameplay perspective. RNG is RNG, it was dumb
But in Legion legos actually had more impactful changes to your gameplay
Firemage bracers 😢
thorny pond
Yeah and it was way worse than these shards are now
at least by NH you probably had a decent one
real pewter
Now we just get like stinky doodoo weewee passive damage 3% dps increase legos because Blizzard is too scared to make something unbalanced so they make everything the same.
Nah, I rerolled boomie in NH
I was running sephuz lmao
Shit was wack
But fuck man, Boomie was so fun in Legion.
thorny pond
Ideally crafted leggos shouldn't be busted
real pewter
And then they ruined it in BFA, and kept ruining it in SL
thorny pond
none really should
real pewter
I mean, when I say busted, I mean they should b eimpactful to your rotation.
Now that tier sets are a thing of the past, we get absolutely nothing unique to our rotation for an entire expansion.
thorny pond
SO either you have to play the busted one that impacts your rotation or you play one that doesn't and you do less DPS
real pewter
So we're just sitting on our asses waiting for our stats to balloon out of control because that's the only form of character growth in Retail
Well my argument is that a fun lego has impacts on your rotation, y'know?
thorny pond
Yeah, I hate that
give me the kit base
the spec should be fun w/o added power
or you get DH which is a class entirely built on borrowed powers
real pewter
I think we're opposited. This is why I loved tier sets. They changed your character enough every patch to keep things fresh. Legion also had artifact traits which was awesome progression AND legendaries.
fervent rune
I can agree with art. I don’t think he’s saying he wants them to do crazy amounts of damage but to actually change how the spec is played not just give dps
thorny pond
and has no identity at the core
real pewter
Now it's just the same spec for 4 years 
Well that's what we get anyway, Beach.
Of course i would PREFER a great base spec
But that's not the reality.
idle star
Sylv daggers aren't simming that high for me tho
They dont for sin compared to sub
thorny pond
don't play sin rogue if you want engaging content kekw
real pewter
Legion at least delivered good borrowed power, not just stat inflation like BFA/SL
@idle star sub is for nerds sorry
thorny pond
the artifact weapon in the intro tier was nice because that offered character growth into what became the base kit
real pewter
Right, which is why Legion is unironically and OBJECTIVELY the best WoW expansion fight me
Hot take
thorny pond
you missed BC and LK didn't ya =[
real pewter
Nah
real pewter
I actually just played TBC again, and it's great, but in no universe has the actual gameplay in WoW been more fun than it was in Legion.
fiery mauve
Legendary fiasco early on was not fun
real pewter
I have never seen an MMO that just straight up has like 30+ awesome specializations to play.
thorny pond
and our older brother
fiery mauve
And neither was the feeling of being locked into a spec cause of AP
real pewter
I mean, yeah, being locked to a spec because you need to get that AP is annoying.
I agree
But every wow expac has those kinds of issues.
fiery mauve
Negative
real pewter
Like remember how you have to regrind ALL your rep on EVERY alt in TBC?
Or do HOURS of dailies in WOTLK just to keep up on more than one character?
fiery mauve
That’s only on new expac cause systems
Those rep grinds don’t matter if you don’t play your alts
real pewter
I'm sorry, but I disagree. New Expansions fail because these systems are half baked, not because they don't facilitate alts.
idle star
<@!243665220449468416> sub is for nerds sorry
Are you 12?
real pewter
9 and a half
Legion in 7.3 was the best alt exp I have had in WoW
In recent memory
No 6 hours of dailies like in MoP, either.
Which is good
fiery mauve
And it only took until the .3 patch
real pewter
Sure, I don't think an entire mmo should be designed around alts. I think those come about as a result of catchup systems being added.
It'd be weird to design catchup systems before there is anything to catch up to
idle star
New world looks interesting. Good time to be a new mmo atm honestly
real pewter
NW is fun
fiery mauve
I feel like when you have a patch out for 8 monthsish
That qualifies to add some sort of catchup to the latter half
real pewter
Every legion patch had catchup, which is why alting in legion progressively became better.
And peaked in 7.3 with lego acquisition being streamlined
And don't get me wrong, if this was the way you could target legendaries as well as the RNG system, it'd be perfect.
But I don't think that makes Legion not one of the best expacs.
fiery mauve
It had good class design
The 7.0 of people being soft capped on legendaries is sketch
real pewter
Again, I genuinely think World of Warcraft went backwards after Legion in class design, and class design is one of the only important elements of WoW now adays, considering it's just a competitive PvE game.
Like, if your competitive PvE game fails at being fun to play, like in BFA, then you fundamentally failed at making your game.
SL improved on BFA, but still pales in comparison to Legion.
The fact that Blizzard scrapped everything they worked on in Legion only to make a dumb imitation in BFA is probably the worst decision I have ever seen Blizzard make for their game, and it is easily why WoW has never been more negatively recieved than it is today.
/rant
minor anchor
I agree with Art. The class design in Legion was amazing.
real pewter
I mained boomie since NH in Legion, and it was easily the most fun I have ever had playing WoW in almost 2 decades.
I then alted my Assass Rogue, which felt fucking incredible. And my Warrior, which was a beef missile. I only regret not playing a mage since they were absolutely legendary in legion too.
Idk what happened
real pewter
Blizzard was like "no, this is too much fun. Classes are too smooth. Remove all the unique flavorful spec abilities we added and replace them with generic covenant cooldowns and you are only allowed to use 1 of them and it's only good for one kind of content, have fun."
real pewter
MoP class design WAS great, and I think it still needed a prune. BUT, Blizzard, being the company they are, go too far.
Like, all that needed to happen in Legion was a deactivation of our passives, some integration into our kits if need be (poison bomb), and keep our spec-specific abilities.
Build on classes from there.
crystal raft
tunings are one thing, redoing entire specs every expansion gets incredibly old
real pewter
It's not like Legion classes were some insanely complicated math equation.
They were just fun.
fiery mauve
How many specs were redone from bfa to slands?
crystal raft
sub, shadow, survival all had core gameplay changed
real pewter
Remember when Shadow Priest was probably the most well designed and concieved class in MMO history and Blizzard took an axe to it after Legion ended because they seemingly don't play their own game?
I member.
crystal raft
sub gets "reworked" every other expansion
real pewter
Ehh, BFA --> SL was pretty minor
crystal raft
same with shadow
real pewter
I actually like class changes for expansions
crystal raft
for one expansion
real pewter
The only class that got reworked for SL was Shadowpriest
real pewter
Not changing up your class gameplay, not evolving it in some way, is stagnating the game that's all about adaptation and reaction.
That's why I quit my warrior. I felt like I was playing the exact same spec/class for 4 years (since BFA) and with a lack of tier sets to spice things up I just got really, really bored.
crystal raft
every spec with rotations that built on their legendary's abilities also were fundamentally changed when legendaries went away in legion. just a stupid idea
fury went from one of the burstiest melees in the game to whatever mess it is now
real pewter
Just integrate legendaries into your class design, forehead. Literally any intelligent game designer would do this. 'Oh hey, this thing that is beloved by literally everyone might be removed. Should we remove it? Yes. Definitely."
like 
Come on Blizz
Remember when poison bomb was just a passive aspect to your kit?
Yeah, that was kinda fun.
No idea why I have to pick between "random aoe and consistent aoe" in my boring ass talent tree
crystal raft
i'd say the same of covenant abilities but most of them are boring "press button every 2min for More Deeps"
crystal raft
though i'm already sighing at knowing i'll lose SBS which i actually enjoy using
real pewter
They're just generic cooldowns. Which is why unironically serrated bone spike is one of the only cool covenant abilities in the whole game
Oh based
Yeah, we both agree
SBS is pretty much Blizzard throwing a dart and accidentally hitting a bullseye
I genuinely can't fathom how ANY blizzard dev feels good about creating something like Condemn for warriors
crystal raft
obedience at least makes flag a lil more interesting but all 3 non-necro abilities are boring af
real pewter
"It's execute... but it's red. Get it? Cause blood?"
I guarantee Blizz will integrate SOME covenant abilities into a kit.
I can't imagine them removing Convoke from Druids
I take that back, I can definitely imagine it, it's blizzard
They are actively working to make the game as not fun as humanly possible because there are secret FF14 devs working undercover to sabotage the game.
crystal raft
i also think the idea that people only play this game because classes get constantly redone is ridiculous, FFXIV has done adjusting to classes and role abilities frequently but core functionalities to all classes haven't been "reworked" every expansion
same could be said of FFXI
real pewter
FF14 is also unbelievably boring to play precisely because of that, for me. So I wouldn't say it's ridiculous whatsoever.
Remember, while these games are different, a lot of the people bailing on WoW are doing it more so out of spite than anything else.
As someone who has played FF14 on and off since ARR/HW, the class design in that game is unbelievably stagnant to me.
It's one of the largest issues in the game.
The two most fundamental issues with FF14 (to me) is the unbelievably boring gear (which is just WoW gear but with no trinkets, so somehow worse), and how Classes stagnate due to the dance-dance-revolution rotation.
crystal raft
i just don't think you're in the majority there, i've never met anyone who comes back to a game because the way it plays has been changed completely or who doesn't feel the exact opposite, but it's a personal feeling/perspective
real pewter
Really?
You've never met someone who comes back to a game when they hear their favorite class which might've gone down a road they dislike was changed?
I feel like I hear that all the time.
crystal raft
take that back i knew one person who felt that way and came back for SL because of sub rogue and quit two weeks in because they hated it haha
real pewter
Right, they test it out and see if it's up their alley.
Class changes are really, really important in an RPG. Like, fundamental. Especially in an MMO. A feeling of progression and growth is mandatory, and we lost that now that we lose power going from expansions rather than gain it.
One of the best feelings during early-WoW's prepatches (TBC --> Wrath / Wrath --> Cata) was logging in and seeing all the new abilities you could get as you leve.
crystal raft
rogue has changed the least since classic, the core gameplay is there and it's part of why i still enjoy playing it. what it's good at doesn't change from patch to patch, its core mechanics aren't added or taken away from every expansion.
real pewter
Now you log in and you see all the abilities you lost.
I think arguably rogue got better as it grew in the expansions.
Rogue in MoP was fucking wild
TBF most classes have improved since Classic.
But I speak from purely a mechanical/engagement perspective here.
Having an actual rotation makes PvE fun
real pewter
Of course
Ehh...
Honestly, Classic Hunter is really, really special
That's probably the single well designed class in the entire game that still holds up today.
Solo Tribute runs are so fucking cool, and using a full kit, learning about auto-clipping, etc.
Really unique gameplay for them and definitely my favorite class in Classic.
hushed timber
Yes, deadzone so much fun kek
velvet nacelle
honest answers, what's the lowest non tank dps on your guys taragrue kills?
we have like 3 people averaging 6k and a few more just barely in 7s
i don't think we're gonna get this tonight
halcyon zealot
i would just say make sure you arent going overboard on the defensive powers if youre struggling on dps for that boss. You probably dont need as many unstable form/everbeating heart/ satchels as you think, as long as the people who do get them are competent
wild beacon
can you reroll powers on mythic?
halcyon zealot
ofc
velvet nacelle
you said "competent"
hah
grasp is nasty on this fight
getting ticked for like 20k
shell ivy
Man I was saving up for my r3 unholy set but should I save that ember for the upcoming frost sims?
Also wtf is outlaw really top now?
hushed timber
top in what?
wind dune
Yeah it's pretty tilting only being a good spec from 9.05 onwards after repeated buffs AND still being 7.5% behind in single target. Meanwhile outlaws had the time of it's life this xpac.
ionic vault
those 2cp envenom ok?
ionic vault
I was looking at top logs on Eye of the jailer
winged basin
shell ivy
He must be playing vigor and got the MA crit so it’s a 4cp envenom here
at least the ones after vanish
north basin
It could be 4cp mutilates so why the assumption of 2 cp env?
hollow river
yeah those were right after vanish
delicate smelt
Its better to wait with crafting 262 lego to next reset right?
oak radish
yea wait and see, who knows , this is blizz they can revert buffs etc
pale plank
is phail and ooze, still the bis slot for trink? or is there any SoD thats better?
arctic walrus
phial + guardian trinket
delicate smelt
Yea
pale plank
damn, i have been farming guardian but he just doesnt like me
delicate smelt
Ppl crafted Dooms and Obe and now they changed things and way to go will be Dash + frost? If this prove to be true i will be really angry at Blizz
wild beacon
are people honestly still surprised when this happens
spare whale
I just have every legendary crafted at rank 4 at this point
delicate smelt
Hopefully difference between Dash + Frost or Obe/Doom and whatever set wont be that big.
Or what you thing?
timid talon
just wait until we see the sims and outlaw is ahead again, so now you have to craft celerity too
delicate smelt
Chris sake. I dont want to switch to Outlaw again.
opaque mauve
whats shards max rank ? because i already invested in unholy sets -_-
delicate smelt
You talking about add cleaves fights right?
south belfry
5
timid talon
I'm just memeing but there is a world where outlaw pulls ahead again. I wouldn't leave any option off the table with how fucked up blizzard's balancing is
pale plank
i crafter obe just to be able to swap between sin/sub, hopefully nothing crazy chnages
idle star
So outlaw being bis st spec... im like, wtf blizz
rain frigate
hey guys so i just got the item to pull dom gems out so i can upgrade them and i have the unholy 3 set
should i upgrade them now i have 213 embers
some friends of mine said to wait till tuesday '
does it matter ?
grizzled orbit
Wait until Tuesday
rain frigate
ok is it to see if they get nerfed ?
grizzled orbit
Frost is getting buffed. Save for those
rain frigate
i hear that i heard that frost is giga bis ST
and unholy is good for all scenarios
or best for all
grizzled orbit
You want to balance your shard upgrades between frost and unholy, so make sure you don’t upgrade all the way
delicate smelt
Thats nice. Only Blood will remain shit because thats only one which i completed
grizzled orbit
Same. But it could only get better from there, right?
delicate smelt
Yea :D
pale plank
I killed sylvanas last week, even if I don’t kill her this week would I still have a chance to get the dagger from the vault next week?
My guild mate said that it can be in the vault Bcz I already unlock sylv loot table after killing her once
regal path
Pretty sure thats how it worked in nathria
vast forum
It still works
south belfry
Got 246 dagger yesterday which finally pushed my sims to 9k as sin lol
pseudo hamlet
Is EP better on Sylvanas than BS?
iron orchid
Is EP better on Sylvanas than BS?
given there's no execute phase and a big part of your damage is done through burst phases, EP probably going to be better
pseudo hamlet
BS feels much smoother, especially with the procs in the Flagellation window... but will go EP the next kill
steel geyser
undone scroll
best leggo for raid if your venyh? Feels like wowhead and icyveins conflict
slow marsh
Wait until Tuesday
pale plank
best leggo for raid if your venyh? Feels like wowhead and icyveins conflict
Supposedly frost shards are getting buff, that will totally change everything
north basin
I have 9.1k dps in sims without sylvanas dagger, hope we down her tonight in hc
pale plank
Uff then the daggers are gonna be huge for u
pale plank
Haven’t got to her yet, my raid group just reached 8/10h this week
vast forum
She's piss easy now
pale plank
But if anything even heroic daggers are better than any daggers
rigid walrus
crimson tempest feels really good\
especially with chain pulling i dont feel completely useless like in BFA when everything was stealth triple garrote
real bay
north basin
If sylvanas heroic rly easy (for 3/10mythic guild) then i have some high hopes for dagger today, and from vault too, hopefully
kind turtle
Is there a best-slot for Doomblade? Feel like I see mostly hands but have seen a couple cloaks too. Is there a definitive best? Maybe considering potential Dom Socket pieces
void needle
Was there a nerf to HC Sylv that I've missed or are we just talking about after ilvls raising
zinc frost
Nah pretty much people getting more geared/domination sets etc.
indigo mulch
She syill requires people nit to suck with wail
ebon notch
P3 is still actually hard cause it's all personal responsibility
If the tank doesn't get dispelled on time you wipe, if the DPS stands in a puddle you wipe, if you fuck up an arrow you may have to waste a healing cd that could wipe you later
indigo mulch
We still wipe on her from time to time in p3 when our dps think its a good idea to stack the healing debuff
20stack gang.
ebon notch
People falling off the bridge is also a pog moment
Especially when they do it consistently
ebon notch
:^)
reef axle
for Ner'zhul, team doesnt want me switching to orbs, can we get our bleeds up on the fortified orbs and still benefit from it by multi bleeding?
hmm k so worth bleeding them still
yeh running frost set but not by choice lol
strong tide
Garrote, garrote , garrote , CT , SBS + rupture, sbs + rupture, sbs+ rupture is opener for 3-4 targets if you are necro i believe
then into fok + ct/envenom on prio targets
thin imp
Garrote, garrote, garrote, SnD, Fok to max-1, CT then ruptures depending of target's life
fallen arch
Dont forget to slice n dice and envenom to keep the buff up
thin imp
I think you lose damage on the CT with 3 CP, but probably the difference will be rather small
fallen arch
In principal dont use finishers at 3cp
Unless its a rupture and your target will likely die to quickly to live through the (almost) full duration
fallen arch
Garrote, garrote, garrote, SnD, Fok to max-1, CT then ruptures depending of targ...
So would be +1 garrote
thin imp
oh yea you can fit the 4, was only thinking in the powered ones, mb
dull crypt
Obedience the way to go for my venthyr assassination rogue alt that'll mainly just do normal/heroic SoD clears?
fallen arch
No reason to not use garrote on cd in aoe
reef axle
queuing cloak with knock back on ner'zhul seems to nullfy it
fallen arch
?
reef axle
when i pop cloak when dispells are happening, it nullified knock back, still trying to confirm it
fallen arch
Dont you dispell the entire thing when you cloak?
reef axle
no when others are getting dispelled
fallen arch
Dont you send other flying as well?
Ohh ye I think it does
But why would you, I would save it for something else tbh
reef axle
running orbs out
fallen arch
Ah ye
10k in theater
mortal pike
What talents are you running selia?
fallen arch
Gamer
wild storm
http://puu.sh/I0GHe/72c748c236.jpg
jesus was the priest and dh 220 ilvl?
my DH i play with consistently does 10k with me or more
marble hemlock
atm
torghast talents, essentially. forgot to swap but IB wasnt that bad a choice for top
marble hemlock
jesus was the priest and dh 220 ilvl?
my DH i play with consistently does 10k w...
idk, didnt check, but they could trade loot so maybe just not the biggest players
mortal pike
you swap any conduits?
agile geode
Seli u think outlaw Is gonna overwhelm sin in raid?
marble hemlock
no
agile geode
Youre my favorite necrochad
marble hemlock
having 2mins > not having 2mins but slightly higher overall
agile geode
Kk thanks
sand heath
w
strange python
Hey there is race big difference on dps overall? Ima currently blood elf and was thinking to switch to orc
hoary night
～1％ i think
gentle gyro
strange python
Uhh thanks happy i aint give the 25$ 😂
real kettle
http://puu.sh/I0GHe/72c748c236.jpg
which lego?
marble hemlock
zoldyck
tacit pilot
anyone able to to tell me what i am doing wrong to get a green pass for this fight? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Y8F4CTMARQgdycPn/#fight=last&type=damage-done, wow analyzer said no major issues
24% haste 26%crit 7%vers
kind talon
u dont have a set bonus
tacit pilot
is that it ah
mortal pike
I mean u can still parse without a set lol
kind talon
u might have missed a cast of flag
tacit pilot
yeh
lavish lichen
Not very high gear either only 233
tacit pilot
ah right i try and energy pool a little give or take 5 seconds for shiv
tacit pilot
but will try on CD
tacit pilot
roger will work on that, i always try and energy pool shiv to try and get at least 2 envenoms in it
kind talon
pool for envenom
not shiv
pool before every envenom, slam every shiv
and u will zoom my friend
tacit pilot
thanks clown much appreciate your time 🙂 will focus on that
kind talon
you finished at 3 for one envenom as well
tacit pilot
i think i may of done that at pull for a extra ob stack
tacit pilot
or panicked i swear i am clicking shit and sometimes it aint going through XD
safe patrol
so you dont pool for the shiv+envenom before going into shiv window? but every envenom except vendetta and shiv windows?
kind talon
kind talon
you just pool for all envenoms outside of vendetta / shiv
safe patrol
so I pool for the first envenom which I press straight after entering shiv window if you get what I mean?
inland heath
best for mythic+ venthyr or necro ?
kind talon
so I pool for the first envenom which I press straight after entering shiv windo...
yes
kind talon
best for mythic+ venthyr or necro ?
necro but both are good
placid pagoda
best for mythic+ venthyr or necro ?
Venth allows better ST : nice haste buff but necro sbs really nice for m+
placid pagoda
best for mythic+ venthyr or necro ?
- the necro trait that allows flesh to explode after damage is good
prisma cypress
pooling for shiv doesn't mean holding it, though... it seems obvious that you'd want to pool for several seconds before shiv comes up (at least outside of vendetta) because why not
it's often the difference between getting 2 envenoms or 3 in that window
especially if using well placed steel
kind talon
pooling for shiv doesn't mean holding it, though... it seems obvious that you'd ...
but thats what pooling for envenom is
its the same thing
you get to max - 30 energy and slam envenom mut mut
prisma cypress
you're right but the guide doesn't really make that clear
someone reading that might think they should slam shiv and then pool for envenom
half quarry
but why pool when you just used a nature damage boost?
prisma cypress
right, that's what im saying, you're pooling for both shiv and envenom but the timing of it depends on your shiv cooldown
kind talon
the guide says dont pool during shiv
kind talon
you pool before envenoms
limber lion
You pool on envenom which automatically poola for Shiv.
prisma cypress
i just think it's not very clear
kind talon
yep
limber lion
Like
prisma cypress
the way it's written
limber lion
You don't have to do anything extra
burnt star
No reason to overthink it
half quarry
agreed with clown xD
kind talon
the why is a bit more unclear i guess? but not that important
just pool before envenom outside of vendetta shiv windows
thorny pond
zug zug
burnt star
Thats 'why'
kind talon
yep zug time
limber lion
One reason, yes
The other, and generally the more important reason, is that it allows you to move your resources to the important parts of your cooldown, ie. Shiv
That's why you don't "pool for Shiv" itself
Because pooling on envenom generally already does the exact same thing.
And is the major reason why you even do it
limber lion
We also sometimes pool on mutilate, but it's so minmaxy that we don't talk about it much.
It's very unnecessary for most players.
You also don't always want to mutilate to 4-5 combo points (when playing Vigor)
prisma cypress
someone reading that guide could see "pool for envenom except during shiv" and interpret it as meaning they don't worry about pooling at all for those windows, not that they should wait to shiv until after pooling
that's what's not as clear as it could be, imo
limber lion
ie. If you're at 3CP, shiv is coming off cooldown shortly abd you won't cap energy, it's better to pool on 3cp before the shiv
Instead of slamming another muti in and pool at max cp
And then waste the shiv cp as well as the potential mutilate seal fate cp
limber lion
someone reading that guide could see "pool for envenom except during shiv" and i...
I'm not even sure what you're saying honestly.
I think it's very clear.
burnt star
@prisma cypress The way ur explaining it. Is as if u would wait to press shiv
limber lion
Do I pool?
If outside of Shiv window, yes.
If outside of Shiv window, no.
You never hold Shiv.
You just slam it on cooldown.
If you get 1 envenom during it, oh well, unlucky
If you get 3, good for you
prisma cypress
i know this, but I'm trying to read this guide from the perspective of someone who doesn't
a player new to the spec could misinterpret it
limber lion
Yes but you're saying
half quarry
limber lion
That you should pool before hitting Shiv, even if it's not on cooldown anymore
Which is just incorrect
Even if you're at 0 energy and 0 cp
You hit Shiv
prisma cypress
when did i say that
limber lion
Probably worded it poorly if you don't mean that.
But you definitely just said that.
prisma cypress
read what i said again
burnt star
I mean i re read it and thats what i get from.your wording
limber lion
The thing is
The guide says "do not pool during shiv" and you assumr the reader doesn't understand that and instead voids pooling before it
Even though it's very clearly mentioned that it's during shiv that you don't pool
"Pool on Envenom, except during Shiv"
Couldn't be clearer
prisma cypress
it could be much clearer, lol
frosty cedar
how much clearer could it be really
pure moth
Don't know how much clearer you want it.
quasi ledge
"Mash the shit out of your buttons, only during Shiv"
prisma cypress
i think it should actually say to pool in the moments before shiv comes off cooldown so people don't just slam shiv on cooldown with no energy because they weren't thinking ahead to the next ability in their priority list
just my 2c whatever
alpine garden
Just press everything on CD and profit
limber lion
i think it should actually say to pool in the moments before shiv comes off cool...
But that's exactly what you do
If Shiv is off cooldown, you press it
Even if you're at 0 energy and 0 combo points.
Looks like you don't know how the ability works and how we play it
Which is the reason why you think it's confusing.
prisma cypress
yes, but with planning you wouldn't usually do that
limber lion
But that doesn't matter
prisma cypress
but the guide only explains the planning and pooling in the context of envenom, not shiv
cobalt pelican
idk what you don't understand about it
prisma cypress
yes, you slam it with no energy if you have to, but part of playing the spec is avoiding that
limber lion
Yes
And that is done
By pooling
On envenom
Do you know how pooling even works?
Doesn't sound like it.
prisma cypress
but you'd only pool if you were thinking ahead
limber lion
You mutilate to max-1 cp then you pool until about max-30 energy
If Shiv comes off during this pooling period, you slam it
Then yoy have energy for Shiv
And start at max cp
That is pooling
ON ENVENOM
It does the exact same thing
prisma cypress
i don't need you to explain the spec, dude, I'm just saying how the guide could be written better for a new player who might not catch the nuances
limber lion
But you're in the wrong here
That's the thing
You don't seem to understand how the spec works
And what pooling even entails
It is very straight forward.
prisma cypress
you clearly are unable to read this guide from any perspective other than your own, so forget it
prisma cypress
ok
limber lion
Having to place myself in other people's shoes
The guide explains what pooling is, which I also explained previously
So the viewer understands what it means
The second part says "do it outside of shiv, not during it"
It's very very clear.
Like you're currently the only person here who thinks it's confusing.
prisma cypress
that's fine, I'm done trying to explain the problem to you if you still don't get it
have a nice day
cobalt pelican
@snow crag it's like 6% removing the base energy conditionals from envenom
but that has some knockon effects that aren't all to do with envenom energy
it's kinda funny doing some dumb shit like forcing max-30 energy for shivs is almost neutral, even with 9.8 shiv casts to 11.3 in a 5min sim
auto attack spec gaming
safe patrol
going kel thuzad hc first time today. see the logs are split between poison and ct. what do you guys recommend?
steep hamlet
Guess it could depend on how bad your phylactery team st is ?
But pb seems so nothing so I guess take what feels best
safe patrol
yeah cheers, will feelycraft it prob and see what suits me best
limber lion
going kel thuzad hc first time today. see the logs are split between poison and ...
CT
fast nacelle
Doesn't really matter... In general CT is close enough to play it any time I have more than 1 target
limber lion
No reason not to play CT
limber lion
But kt is mostly st so whatever
Definitely not.
fast nacelle
if you go down in intermission its st - if you stay up you do dmg stops on certain targets to not kill it and just even the other mobs ST down
and adds getting cc'd
inland heath
if an aoe situation if u flag a target and spend combo points during flag on another target were does that dmg goes?
limber lion
if you go down in intermission its st - if you stay up you do dmg stops on certa...
KT by nature is nowhere near a ST fight
Just because it has ST elements once in a while, does not make it a ST fight whatsoever.
steep hamlet
Is it his nature or nurture that made him an aoe fight
limber lion
if an aoe situation if u flag a target and spend combo points during flag on ano...
It goes to the target with your flag applied to
inland heath
ok so in aoe its ok to just flag a target and spend all in aoe and other tagets dots , its not a wasted dmg
fast nacelle
alright then
limber lion
ok so in aoe its ok to just flag a target and spend all in aoe and other tagets ...
Correct
inland heath
tyvm
halcyon dagger
Anyone have a good YouTube video for what skills to sue lime rotation wise, im lvl 55 and feel like im jjst not dlign good dps wise , just wanna simple video of wjat i shoudl be using most or if anyone wants to say which 4 or 5 spells to use most lol
prisma monolithBOT
sharp stump
Where are the soulbind path images?
winter vapor
@halcyon dagger you dont get cut to the chase until like 57, and it mikes life so much easier its stupid
limber lion
<@!165215952479322112> venthyr > necro > venthyr > necro and now venthyr again? ...
Yuuuup
pseudo nimbus
Where can i find the image of the best soulbinds and selected powers please? I remember it was in the pins but not anymore.
limber lion
Where can i find the image of the best soulbinds and selected powers please? I r...
#assassination-faq should have all the info,
sharp stump
<#856136418170896404> should have all the info,
Doesn't seem to
odd hazel
It should be In pins
odd hazel
It should
You want to know the best like, conduits and soulbind ?
Necro or venth? ( the guides should have it but I can help if I can )
sharp stump
Just swapped to venthyr, looking to find what the ideal paths are
Like i know the conduit priority, just not sure what the go is w/ where we go down the tree and all if there's some that are better or not
Or if it's just potency >>>>>
vestal wren
Like i know the conduit priority, just not sure what the go is w/ where we go do...
i am not sure if something changed but i think the picture i linked a while ago should still be mostly correct
#assassination message
sharp stump
i am not sure if something changed but i think the picture i linked a while ago ...
Perfect, exactly what I was looking for, cheers
steady glen
is the dom shard updates live?
thorny lion
no
lusty surge
if youre running CT, do you cast it in ST situations?
limber lion
Yes, outside of Shiv windows.
wild mural
Yea outside of shiv
lusty surge
okay cool
wild mural
Oh
lusty surge
how close is it in terms of dps versus casting envenom
lusty surge
thanks!
austere steppe
do callings or world boss for 200
limber lion
And Sire drops it :)
austere steppe
that too
stone gate
ah damn
uneven summit
Any news on the dashing + frost, or at least any smaller updates on how it´s looking? 🙂
stone gate
I tried to queue nathria but didnt get one after 2 hours lol
odd hazel
Any news on the dashing + frost, or at least any smaller updates on how it´s loo...
I’d suggest waiting till the buffs go through
uneven summit
Yeah makes sense 🙂
odd hazel
But it seems as though with high gear frost and dashing is looking good
halcyon dagger
<@!245433758121984000> you dont get cut to the chase until like 57, and it mikes...
Is that a new skill lol
odd hazel
No it’s a passive we get that gives us CP
thorny pond
No it’s a passive we get that gives us CP
What? CttC just extends SnD
halcyon dagger
Damn i picked nexorlord should've read the guide first before picking lol wanted the best
winter vapor
as otehrs have said, its the passive that means Slice and Dice gets extended when we cast envenom
Necro is besten
wild storm
<@!165215952479322112> venthyr > necro > venthyr > necro and now venthyr again? ...
venthyr will be nerfed soon i'm sure 🙂
so it'll be back to necro soon
winter vapor
even cev thinks so
halcyon dagger
After playing hunter for so long I feel like a actual noob learning this lmao actual skill is involved 😂
solid venture
Imagine not staying loyal to the necrobois