so do u just play nadjia
#assassination
dense hamlet
subtle tundra
yes
hollow escarp
with duelist?
subtle tundra
no? its m+
hollow escarp
just making sure
dense hamlet
tripple pot no?
subtle tundra
yes
dense hamlet
k lemme sim it
hollow escarp
you missed the big bolded disclaimer though
vast forum
Sin has had a good run for a while now
Sub got 1 tier of being good after 2.5 years of total neglect
And 3 weeks into the tier, they overbuffing outlaw indirectly 
Thing is, still seems like top 3 simming dps specs will still be all rogue so you aren't really inting whatever you play
odd hazel
“Overbuffing”
quasi scroll
How bad is it to just use Doomblade for all content if I'm only doing M+ 10-15 and H raid?
odd hazel
And 3 weeks into the tier, they overbuffing outlaw indirectly <:kekw:61012592541...
Overbuffing ? Lolol where
vast forum
I mean, outlaw simdps (assuming the changes go live the way we expect them to) has increased by 10% just by fixing and buffing frost set
If you think 10% simdps isn't overbuffing, idk what to tell you
muted mortar
I main outlaw and it doesnt bother me 🙂
vast forum
Cuz it hits very often and crits very often
grizzled orbit
Is anyone staying sin rogue no matter what? 😅
exotic pulsar
Meh I play whatever sims the best because im in a CE guild but I really like sin
too bad its garbo right now
crystal vault
yeah, sin is really garbo lol
exotic pulsar
I mean I have mostly sin itemized gear yet my sub sim is like 600 dps higher for reasons
astral plover
sin aint garbo
toxic quail
my guild mates must suck then cause im Sin and usually top dmg in heroic and mythic kills
astral plover
WHAT THA HELL
exotic pulsar
if i actually had sub itemized gear it wouldn't even be in the same ballpark
cursive silo
sin is good lol
toxic quail
Sin is still god tier to me dude, and thats all that matters.
vast forum
Imagine saying sin is garbo 
You can still probably take a shit on most other classes in dmg
dawn condor
Good luck doing dmg on the boss as sub when playing mechanics 😄
vast forum
Just not sub and outlaw on high uptime single target with full bis gear
exotic pulsar
meh i havent had any issues with it just dont spam cooldowns like a monkey
crystal vault
cobalt pelican
you gotta really be smokin the good stuff to think sin is bad rn
exotic pulsar
Compared to sub
Going sin instead of sub is basically not using a dom set bonus
But dps compete for spots in my raid so running norms and aiming for AoTC is different than my situation.
cobalt pelican
what
exotic pulsar
I am in a CE guild that brings the best dps, if I have a spec that does a clean 5-600 more dps then I'm going to pick it.
In normal and heroic where you guys bring 40 homies I'm sure spec matters less.
crystal vault
sim dps > everything else.
exotic pulsar
Sub is probably the easiest spec in the game to play, if you cant get close to sims with it you definitely cant handle sin.
rigid tartan
you are kind of talking trash my friend but whatever :>
granite thistle
Waiting for WCL link.
exotic pulsar
What? Sub you literally spam 2 buttons in both single target and mass aoe. You need like just enough braincells to remember 4 buttons.
crystal vault
Sub is probably the easiest spec in the game to play, if you cant get close to s...
???
rigid tartan
there's so much you could answer to that but let's just leave it at that
crystal vault
i guess its better
toxic quail
Bertha link your logs dude haha
exotic pulsar
cursive silo
n 
rmal
exotic pulsar
Mostly as sub but I have some sin in there as well
change the difficulty, not hard.
Sub is ez af to play
rigid tartan
good logs but still wrong statements
cobalt pelican
figures the person assuming everyone in here is a heroic only gamer has only killed 1 mythic boss
exotic pulsar
shit is easy
cobalt pelican
🙄
trim raptor
1/10M ce guild 👀
dawn condor
Toxic statements
crystal vault
rank 2000 CE gamer
cursive silo
bro you're garbage don't think youur logs are good lol
toxic quail
im bad, lets go
exotic pulsar
We specifically delayed mythic because of poor dom socket rng
like 90% of guild lol
cobalt pelican
🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄
granite thistle
Thats such a bad excuse
drifting cloud
delayed sylvanas aswell?
vast forum
Imagine linking normal logs
granite thistle
Thats such an awful excuse to delay mythic til you get dom sockets lol
exotic pulsar
Change it to heroic dummy
crystal vault
cant kill first 3 bosses without sockets, lets goooo
exotic pulsar
Logs?
toxic quail
I linked mine bro, im an Ass man
fallen arch
Dude if you’re just in here to talk shit pls get out
toxic quail
its god tier
exotic pulsar
I bet not a single one of you have beaten me on a single fight with either spec
Like get real
cobalt pelican
the unfortunate thing is 9.2 will be delayed by 6 months again
vast forum
Lmaaaaaao
cobalt pelican
so that bertha and his bros can get ce
exotic pulsar
Thats what I thought
cursive silo
the unfortunate thing is 9.2 will be delayed by 6 months again
implying there's gonna be a 9.2 
granite thistle
So if you have 0s because im more progged than you, does that make me auto win?
drifting cloud
the unfortunate thing is 9.2 will be delayed by 6 months again
I heard its coming out in november because of ff 
granite thistle
Since you can't kill more than 1 mythic boss or H sylv
vast forum
Imagine coming in here and bragging "i'm in a ce guild" while being 9/10 hc and 1/10 mythic
granite thistle
Talking the most mad shit man.
lone wren
We specifically delayed mythic because of poor dom socket rng
Link your CN or BFA logs, even a monkey who got lucky with shards and dom sockets can get 96% parses right now.
cursive silo
a monkey can get 95s every tier lol
exotic pulsar
I didn't play bfa and my CN logs are tied in with that. Do you guys who are calling for logs not know how to use them?
Like c'mon
vast forum
Nah i like not linking them to make you mad
exotic pulsar
Then you are ignored
drifting cloud
the horror
lone wren
I didn't play bfa and my CN logs are tied in with that. Do you guys who are call...
Then calm yourself down a little. Come back and throw logs around in a couple of months once you have 96% parses on mythic bosses
vast forum
Imagine being in a ce guild where you get replaced for poor dps and then not being able to get curve 4 weeks in
granite thistle
😂😂
exotic pulsar
I mean I'm calm. I simply said sub was braindead to play then you guys came out and started crying how I'm wrong then asked ME to prove logs....which I did
fallen arch
No?
exotic pulsar
Then you moved the goalposts and started attacking my weekend guilds progress lol
fallen arch
You started throwing logs around yourself
fallen arch
And you started off calling sin garbage
exotic pulsar
Because it is compared to sub
fallen arch
Which just factual isn’t true
toxic quail
yeah i asked haha
fallen arch
Get outta here
toxic quail
my bad i started a war
lone wren
This is infinite star parsing ppl from early corruption gear all over again lolol
granite thistle
@toxic quail LOL
fallen arch
Saying sin isn’t good rn is just dunb, sorry
vast forum
Bruh, you said assa is trash, i said it's not, and you said you're competing for spots in your CE guild and started calling every1 heroic raiders
While not even having curve
granite thistle
Then he played sin on Tarragrue
elfin valley
Just curious bertha have u ever pressed the statistics page on warcraft logs for the entire raid?
exotic pulsar
Compared to sub it is worse, why would I play a worse spec?
vast forum
Lmao
drifting cloud
thats higher than me mizu 😦
fallen arch
Compared to sub it is worse, why would I play a worse spec?
It’s just not in a lot of fights
gloomy fern
he is built different ryler
granite thistle
Compared to sub it is worse, why would I play a worse spec?
You played Sin on Tarra
gloomy fern
what can u do
toxic quail
honestly sims mean nothing. its all about the player and personal skill dude. get real.
exotic pulsar
It’s just not in a lot of fights
I agree which I why I was dual speccing until I got to theo's tea which has an hour cooldown basically locking me into sub since swapping removes the buff rip.
But overall for the raid sub is the play if we cant dual
gloomy fern
honestly sims mean nothing. its all about the player and personal skill dude. ge...
+1 all those sim whores
drifting cloud
+1 all those sim whores
vast forum
So what spec do you plan to use when you take 50 pulls to kill eye?
gloomy fern
🙂
humble ginkgo
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/proudmoore/okiepokie?zone=28&new=true#...
bro you posted normal logs and ur shit talking people
fallen arch
Having to play theotar is literally one week?
runic maple
do we know when the domination shards buffs are live?
humble ginkgo
cobalt pelican
on resets
lone wren
bro you posted normal logs and ur shit talking people
I'm waiting for him to shoe us his 98% lfr parses.
exotic pulsar
bro you posted normal logs and ur shit talking people
I literally just posted whichever came up when I seached my name. You can chagne the difficulty or raid to any you desire.
granite thistle
@vast forum Dont hurt me, it took us 20ish 😂😂
exotic pulsar
Such a silly thing to cry about.
vast forum
@granite thistle bruh
humble ginkgo
and what are you trying to prove exactly "big bertha"
dawn condor
do we know when the domination shards buffs are live?
With next reset
granite thistle
Nah. When you look up someone it goes to highest difficulty.
exotic pulsar
Nothing, I was asked to show logs.
humble ginkgo
okay
exotic pulsar
So I did
exotic pulsar
?
vast forum
It literally shows highest difficulty by default
humble ginkgo
cobalt pelican
ya you either have to have had your normal link saved or swapped to it
both are crinkle
vast forum
But guys
exotic pulsar
It goes to whatever was saved in cookies
vast forum
We don't know how logs work
cobalt pelican
????????
gloomy fern
its funny how u all gang up on the legendary big bertha when he got the b est logs in here
big fan
humble ginkgo
yea I think we should all pipe down and bow down to our king
can this guy get community figures already?
vast forum
Wasn't there a guy in a world 3000 guild with blue logs acting similar to this in sub channel a few weeks ago?
toxic quail
its funny how u all gang up on the legendary big bertha when he got the b est lo...
IM DEAD
vast forum
Or was it in this channel?
fallen arch
Also Goodoption outdpsed you in nearly every fight as sin vs you sub
trim raptor
Why are you guys talking shit. Hes in a ce guild give him some respect
gloomy fern
i think its hilarious u kids talking shit about @exotic pulsar . u wouldnt say this shit to him at lan, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol.
vast forum
Also Goodoption outdpsed you in nearly every fight as sin vs you sub
I guess he chose the good option of playing sin
exotic pulsar
Such a silly play to demand logs, see logs, cry about logs, be toxic to seeing the logs, then not show your own logs. Like do you guys even have stones or what?
toxic quail
I guess he chose the good option of playing sin
YES DUDE
fallen arch
Goodoption just showed you his?
verbal mantle
Such a silly play to demand logs, see logs, cry about logs, be toxic to seeing t...
this is not a cock measurement contest, move on
cobalt pelican
the worst part is you're talking about logs but you don't even have logs in any relevant content
because you haven't killed any of it yet
toxic quail
im not scared to get shit talked to man, im no god, i just play Sin cause its fun and pumps.
vast forum
Such a silly play to demand logs, see logs, cry about logs, be toxic to seeing t...
No stones just laughs
cobalt pelican
male nightelf instant -5k dps
granite thistle
LANE WHATS UP BRO
toxic quail
FATTY
gloomy fern
wow, what a player 
drifting cloud
those are fake who would name themselves uwulane
shy dust
True
gloomy fern
big fan of @shy dust now instead of big bertha
shy dust
Photoshopped
fallen arch
male nightelf instant -5k dps
But +10k respect cos shadowmeld
kindred rapids
If sins good enough for ksp it's good enough for you
vast forum
Imagine having uwu in your name
toxic quail
any photoshoppers in chat!?
exotic pulsar
this is not a cock measurement contest, move on
Then why ask me to log. You guys keep crying about this but I. am. not. the. one. who. asked. first.
shy dust
Imagine having uwu in your name
Mind games man
Having worse logs than someone with Uwu in their name
wary pawn
1/10M CE playa
soft shale
it demoralizes bosses
verbal mantle
Then why ask me to log. You guys keep crying about this but I. am. not. the. one...
move on
soft shale
imagine being guardian
wary pawn
i dont know rick
soft shale
and getting sanded by uwu
exotic pulsar
move on
I'm moved on, just commenting on the REE going on in here.
actually halarious
verbal mantle
yes cool
toxic quail
this was fun boys
granite thistle
@shy dust tell Niko I miss him
drifting cloud
rae filters his logs by alliance only and they dayraid on tuesdays for better % !
lone wren
It goes to whatever was saved in cookies
OK being real with you here. Do you notice how your orange heroic parses all from last week and two weeks ago? All your latest parses are down to low 80s and high 70s. That's because you got lucky with your shards. Your CN mythic parses are all blues and low 70s just calm down you aren't that good for the ego you have. I feel sorry for your guild. You must have a terrible attitude with that kind of ego and average logs
toxic quail
ily all
shy dust
<@179752119945920512> tell Niko I miss him
Will do
humble ginkgo
how you gonna let an outlaw main out dps you on every single fight GIANT BERTHA
toxic quail
rogues am i right?
humble ginkgo
gloomy fern
rae filters his logs by alliance only and they dayraid on tuesdays for better % ...
this uwulane is a very unethical player
prolly the best gear in game also
fallen arch
Still a player
fallen arch
<a:popcorn:743343798133719082>
RYFIE SPOTTING
drifting cloud
I heard some guy from some pepe guild has better gear
warped temple
RYFIE SPOTTING
❤️ just chillin, walked into some fun convos lol
cobalt pelican
honestly have no idea what gear mizu even has at this point cause he links sims of gear he wishes he had every day
exotic pulsar
OK being real with you here. Do you notice how your orange heroic parses all fro...
This week was a drunken mess.
vast forum
Were you high as well?
exotic pulsar
Nope don't smoke
granite thistle
Ma- maybe..
humble ginkgo
so ur gonna blame you not playing well because you were drunk during raid hours
vast forum
Heroin then? Cuz alchohol doesn't drop logs by 30%
humble ginkgo
exotic pulsar
It was heroic reclear, so yeah lol.
drifting cloud
but you havent cleared it yet
lone wren
This week was a drunken mess.
I'm sure all of CN was a drunken mess for you too huh?
exotic pulsar
We aren't pulling it
humble ginkgo
for what
exotic pulsar
Which I disagree with but that is the officers shit not mine
toxic quail
reclear? i see 9 bosses
humble ginkgo
leaving it till next tier?
exotic pulsar
Their excuse is they want first 3 in mythic down first then pull her
I want my dagger but rip
thorny pond
People won’t get recruited away if they don’t have aotc, duh
granite thistle
Sylv drops dom shards 100% so i mean
exotic pulsar
I don't make the decisions.
vast forum
Why haven't you killed eye yet if you're in a ce guild
kindred rapids
Hopefully wcl resets due to this shard nonsense
exotic pulsar
Becuase we have like 4 pulls on it at the end of last weeks heroic
We only raid 2 days a week for a couple hours
We cleared 9/10 in about 3 hours
stable isle
what is going on here
exotic pulsar
with some dcs
toxic quail
we having fun
trim raptor
Why is your guild serious about what spec youre playing if you aren't getting ce in the first 2 weeks?
exotic pulsar
Even without dcs 3 hours when only a few people have dom sets isn't bad.
exotic pulsar
They aren't but we have a lot of dps players and the cap on mythic is 20
lone wren
It's like he is oblivious to the fact that ppl who got their shards early all had 95-99 % parses the first couple of weeks of heroic
pallid bough
And you are gonna look like a clown
exotic pulsar
So if I am doing less damage I will get benched more.
pallid bough
I think you will be fine
toxic quail
imagine getting benched
pallid bough
Just worry about your gameplay and mechanics
trim raptor
Youre not gonna be bottom dps as assa...
pallid bough
Avoid shit and you are fine lol
cobalt pelican
you wiped to kt heroic 17 times and pulled eye mythic 9 times (every mythic pull as assassination)
exotic pulsar
I think so to but giving up 5-600 dps to play a spec I enjoy more isn't worth
cobalt pelican
🙄
lone wren
So if I am doing less damage I will get benched more.
You'll get bench because 9f your attitude mythic prog is all about team work not parses
pallid bough
The more you actually worry about your damage, the more paranoid you are going to become and obsessed over it lmao
exotic pulsar
I didn't have an attitude about logs, you guys did.
cobalt pelican
but yes we should clear the channel to help real humans
exotic pulsar
But lets keep continuing to beat that dead horse
strange python
dont confuse sim-dps with actual output in a bossfight
cursive silo
and beat us up
hot
lone wren
I didn't have an attitude about logs, you guys did.
I think literally everyone else here disagrees with you
pallid bough
No, you literally came in here and said “sub is easier than sin and sin does no damage” and then people disagreed and then you started throwing your logs around
Idk
exotic pulsar
Sands I really don't care what you and your aotc friends think.
I never said sin does no damage
My exact words were sin is garbage compared to sub
and it is
trim raptor
But its not?
humble ginkgo
but its not
exotic pulsar
Cry about it if you want but at least quote me on what I actually said.
toxic quail
HAHA
humble ginkgo
quasi pewter
humble ginkgo
all 3 specs are fine
strange python
sin allows you more mistakes so you playing sin might be better than you trying sub
humble ginkgo
you are tripping bro
vast forum
Cry about it if you want but at least quote me on what I actually said.
"assa is trash"
pallid bough
Oh sorry, calling a spec garbage isn’t the same as saying it does low damage
lone wren
Sands I really don't care what you and your aotc friends think.
I have killed more mythic bosses this tier than you already.
humble ginkgo
I think you might be drunk from ur last heroic "reclear"
pallid bough
Kap btw
exotic pulsar
Good for you, I am in a super casual 6 hour a week guild.
sacred isle
My exact words were sin is garbage compared to sub
New sims will have outlaw above sub. Guess u think sub is trash to?
pallid bough
Wait
exotic pulsar
Yes
pallid bough
You are a CE hardcore guild
exotic pulsar
Actually
exotic pulsar
I like outlaw and will play it if it sims the highest.
toxic quail
Good for you, I am in a super casual 6 hour a week guild.
nah bro you a CE dude, dont lie
granite thistle
pallid bough
LMAO
quasi pewter
true
granite thistle
Holy shit this guy
vast forum
Lmao
pallid bough
This clown
trim raptor
This guys a huge troll lmfao
halcyon zealot
got some real winners in here this afternoon eh
fallen arch
It gets better everytime I look
pallid bough
This is some hard bait
vast forum
Ye, you can if they extend a tier by 4 months
pallid bough
I stg
trim raptor
Kinda obvious
exotic pulsar
No I literally got CE last teir by playing super casual
toxic quail
This guy is my best friend, i see it in my future
shrewd night
Lets see..
verbal mantle
YES
granite thistle
Last tier lasted 50 years
fallen arch
Koffing here
drifting cloud
it wasnt the easiest
magic gale
do i have to remove poision from my weapons if i want to have windfury effect?
drifting cloud
it was just easy
vast forum
I bet you weren't even on sludge in april when 9.1 should have released
fallen arch
Silence
exotic pulsar
Yep and this tier will be even easier henceforth; 'wow is easy'
quasi pewter
emerald nightmare was the easiest
fallen arch
do i have to remove poision from my weapons if i want to have windfury effect?
Eh what?
exotic pulsar
So why argue against me saying wow is easy while also agree with me that wow is easy
You guys are something else
cursive silo
Any chads with only Nyalotha and CN CE in here 😎
granite thistle
GOT CE CN JUNE 26TH
drifting cloud
jaina and nzoth were easier
exotic pulsar
The entire game is easy
granite thistle
Wasnt june 26th the last fucking week????
exotic pulsar
Why sugar coat this
quasi pewter
ur right
magic gale
Eh what?
just tried to google if windfury totem is useful for sub rogues, and then i came across a thread that was discussing that you have to remove poison if you want to get the windfury effect on the wep or something
shrewd night
!mute @exotic pulsar 120m Take a small hike outside and catch some air. Baiting isnt something we do here.
Anyone else?
drifting cloud
😦
vast forum
just tried to google if windfury totem is useful for sub rogues, and then i came...
That's classic
fallen arch
just tried to google if windfury totem is useful for sub rogues, and then i came...
Haha ok I thought you were trolling
No dont remove your poisons pls
thorny pond
It’s a passive, just be in the same party as the WFt
cursive silo
and to answer your google search yes it's very good
vast forum
@shrewd night you killed the channel :(
cursive silo
but this is Sin channel
fallen arch
Oh yes it’s very good, befriend an enhancement if you can
shrewd night
Thank fuck for that, it was omegacringe.
fallen arch
Yes it was
vast forum
Not gonna disagree with it, but i sometimes like a bit of cringe
halcyon zealot
do i have to remove poision from my weapons if i want to have windfury effect?
that was a thing in classic era since poisons were actually applied to your wep, now they are just player buffs so you don’t need to remove them
shrewd night
Plenty of cringe in OT 
drifting cloud
yoppa dont bully 2k guilds theyre people too, they just have 50% of getting ce per tier just depends how much blizz screw with their game
vast forum
I'm fine with 2k or 5k guilds and players
drifting cloud
Id assume its probably not that much fun playing there because prog never ends
cursive silo
Yes it's shit
grizzled orbit
This is not a multi-spec tier. Agree or disagree?
fallen arch
Id assume its probably not that much fun playing there because prog never ends
Yes and no, on one hand you always have raids
vast forum
But don't come in here saying you're a ce raider and calling every1 heroic raiders
cursive silo
disagree lol playing sin+sub is good this tier
fallen arch
On the other hand it burns you and your team out
vast forum
It's actually fun for me to sometimes join my friends' guild after prog, they're usually 3-4k
shrewd night
300 pulls on Mythic Sire burnt me out
Rookie numbers
vast forum
But none of them would come in here and talk trash and think they're actually good
fallen arch
300 pulls on Mythic Sire burnt me out
I think I had almost that many on hc 😂
Thank god they nerfed him to pieces around that number
thorny pond
I think I had almost that many on hc 😂
My guild had 100 pulls like 5-6 weeks in. Quickly left
fallen arch
My guild had 100 pulls like 5-6 weeks in. Quickly left
I had about 100 with one guild and then it fel apart and I had to look for another
lone wren
On a slightly more serious topic. 9n word on when Sims are coming out for the shard buffs?
cobalt pelican
the overrides are available now, fuu pinned some preliminary default profile sims in sub
shrewd night
Ok, Im going back to series, if I see more omegacringe Ill be harsher than I was with that guy 
cobalt pelican
raidbots won't be updated till reset day
thorny pond
TLDR we are quitting WoW
lone wren
the overrides are available now, fuu pinned some preliminary default profile sim...
Thanks just had a look. Outlaw....
But I burned all my pirate clothes a while ago!
fallen arch
Thanks just had a look. Outlaw....
Ye it’s disgusting
thorny pond
I have 2 Feral Druid in my guild who troll me
“Uh we can only hit one target or we lose dps”
Sounds like a bench problem to me 😄
thorny pond
Yea I’ll kms first
humble ginkgo
toxic quail
same dude
thorny pond
Like not even ironically
cursive silo
id be fine with having to play outlaw i need to learn that spec i suck at it
toxic quail
i genuinely tried Outlaw at start of CN and made it 4 bosses in before i said id never play the spec again
thorny pond
I went DH tank last tier till sin was viable
thorny pond
<:HYPERS:416642230485516309>
Shook
If I wanted to play a fury warrior, I’d play a fury warrior
Not fury lite with a gambling addiction
willow eagle
<:HYPERS:416642230485516309>
humble ginkgo
Not fury lite with a gambling addiction
grizzled orbit
I have to farm for pain smith fist now and the WW monk and DH on my team already have priority loot, so I’m screwed for a while. 
thorny pond
When you select outlaw and click activate you are credited with one scratch off lottery ticket and a funny odor
ornate charm
Why everyone is crying?
willow eagle
Why everyone is crying?
Experimental simms got ppl scared of rerolling ol 
ornate charm
Oh those again
willow eagle
Even tho sin/sub will be incredible regardless
ornate charm
Yeah i switch sub not long ago i think i will just stick to it
willow eagle
Can't go wrong with that choice 
astral plover
if edge of night sims 40dps less. would u still use it in OH?
willow eagle
Use what simms higher
cursive silo
why would you use what sims lower
astral plover
could be that the proc wasnt simming correctly
cursive silo
if it's -40 in offhand it's -40 in offhand no point using it
indigo mulch
I wish i could get one of those daggers 😦
sylvanas don't really wanna drop me any daggers 😢
You know
I upgraded unholy and crafted the 262 doomblade back, 10h later they decide to tell us they are buffing frost 😦
sadge
fallen arch
You’ll survive
harsh anchor
what if its -2 dps :^)
dark jewel
got unholy to rank 4 to get frost buffs haha good game haha no shard refund 
vast forum
You're not any weaker than before, others are just stronger
fallen arch
Then wait a few weeks and then go dashing
vast forum
And the tier is already horribly undertuned
willow eagle
If you got high ranks of unholy
It's all good
Will take 3-4 weeks for frost to pop off
west geode
Next week it will be a new nerf or buff we'll all freak out about. Maybe they will buff NF.
bleak sky
Next week it will be a new nerf or buff we'll all freak out about. Maybe they wi...
reroll nf outlaw inc
sacred isle
I upgraded unholy and crafted the 262 doomblade back, 10h later they decide to t...
Honestly if you read the blizzard post you hadto know tuning was coming
frail fossil
You're not any weaker than before, others are just stronger
lots of people also blew their embers on unholy so i doubt a lot of rogues will have a maxed out frost set yet
just wonder if it's worth finishing upgrading my UH set or not
as it's still better in non ST situations
drifting cloud
from 4 to 5? probably not
frail fossil
from 4 to 5? probably not
ye think i'm gonna get it to t4
pseudo hamlet
If you're not going for the TOP10 in the world there's seriously no reason to craft legendary right now. I don't think that's the reason why people are wiping on the mythics bosses are the different legendaries...
frail fossil
my biggest mistake was upgrading blood early on, so i got t3 blood and t3 unholy now 
halcyon zealot
i mean in like a month you’ll have every shard upgraded, people bug out over the smallest things
frail fossil
i mean in like a month you’ll have every shard upgraded, people bug out over the...
ye it's rly not a big deal
and it's boutta be a long tier 
drifting cloud
lol people still taking about legendary crafts when you can make a new r6 in 10days
just hold until you have enough for 4 of them!!!
tidal gorge
But you can't be the most powerful you can be RIGHT NOW
It's the end of the freakin world man
frail fossil
But you can't be the most powerful you can be RIGHT NOW
how would i kill the eye if i'm not the most powerful
ornate charm
guys we just need to start a riot like the warriors did few weeks ago
frail fossil
cuz we got buffed ?
tidal gorge
I mean, tbf, if dashing scoundrel is gonna be that strong they didn't need to nerf obedience right?
floral shoal
guys... GUYS...
echo geyser
kind quiver
Got Unholy to 3 and Frost to 3. Been using the Frost set and my dps tanked my first time using it. Apparently they were bugged, so that explains it. I was like, the other rogue didn’t suddenly get that much better than me. 😂
narrow ravine
will dashing ever let us see a world where we pick master poisoner again 😛
narrow ravine
heh
pale plank
for raiding are u guys taking blindside?
indigo ginkgo
when will the buufs for the shards be applyed =? ton weakly reset ? on thurday ?
pale plank
i hvae seen lots of people taking elaborate
drifting cloud
weekly reset
vast forum
for raiding are u guys taking blindside?
Depends on boss
narrow ravine
EP/Vig for me
echo geyser
drifting cloud
vestal wren
hey thats my sim there
echo geyser
is that directed to sub and sin being easy to play?
fallen arch
Dont think so
kind quiver
hey thats my sim there
What talents did you use for the sim?
vestal wren
you can just access the pin in #subtlety
i did run it 2 times one time with and one time without the changes (the version in the pins is the one with the changes)
the frost buff isn't as big as it might seems
because the tier profile was not using frost before nor did gear towards crit
because outlaw gets a 10% damage up with frost
but not due to the frost buff that one only contributes 2.4%
grizzled orbit
So what you're saying is, if I were going up against an outlaw rogue, they wont be pulling 2k ST more than me with equal gear.
vestal wren
if the concern is that people will blast you with reset
cursive silo
not before end of tier no
vestal wren
its unlikely because the sims are with rank 5 frost and geared towards frost set
people usually didn't gear towards it nor have frost on rank 5
fallen arch
And ppl dont tend to play outlaw well
fallen arch
Since apparently it’s the hardest to play?
vestal wren
so blizz can implement them diffrent, introduce bugs etc.
sacred isle
@vestal wren that upper variance on outlaw buffed frost tho. Yikes
tidal gorge
I think I need to go to the hospital from all the rubber banding this expansion
My neck hurts
shy dust
https://twitter.com/jpctheman/status/1421546814436646914/photo/1
Outlaw is most certainly not the hardest spec in the game
That’s some 
dusk void
I think he meant hardest spec to enjoy
shy dust
grizzled orbit
In my opinion, GS, KS, MFD, etc. on raid fights are not enjoyable and will probably result in me playing worse in a mythic setting. Outlaw just isn't for me this tier, where it was for the past 6 patches.
vestal wren
<@194804407706189824> that upper variance on outlaw buffed frost tho. Yikes
i hope you don't mind my low quality meme:
fallen arch
i hope you don't mind my low quality meme:
sacred isle
🙂
quiet thicket
Hi guys, im quiet new to assa. I played as an outlaw for a while but i got too many bad advises, since i wasnt good at it, so i gave up on the outlaw and i have become an assa rogue and i love the whole thing around rogues. I read the assassination faq and im on it but i would kindly ask you guys for some advice about the singletarget and aoe rotation, since im so unsure which guide i should trust and overtake the playstyle till i find my own. Can you guys may help me out?
cursive silo
you can post logs/questions and people will review them
quiet thicket
PS: The thing i want to learn is how does everythign work.
What rotation do i use in st and which in aoe?
btw. excuse me my bad english since im not a nativ englishmen.
winter vapor
I'd recommend starting here: !Guide
sand sigil
what spec harder than outlaw
it ain't shadow priest or ele sham
it ain't sub or sin
kindred rapids
heard ele sham is hard
sand sigil
realistically only ranged it could be is affliction lock but i have my doubts about that one
ele sham is hard but it's not as hard as outlaw
vast forum
Momentum havoc dh
vestal wren
i thought e-p comparisons are with damage meters not about "what spec is the hardest"
kindred rapids
honestly the hardest part about outlaw is not missing globals due to latency
sand sigil
that leaves momentum dh which frag picked up in like 3 days, like feral druid??? (lmao), and idk what else
vast forum
Frag can pick up anything in 3 days
vast forum
And he used to main momentum dh in legion
fallen arch
If u ask me
sand sigil
o i didn't know he used to main well
spare flame
this is terrible news
sand sigil
idk i mean i watch him play rogue in tgp and it wasn't great playing mfd necro outlaw
and he played outlaw in mdi before
but he played dh well in raid this tier
vast forum
Didn't he play rogue in like 1 dungeon?
sand sigil
idk i still think affliction lock the only spec that competes. but then it's ranged
cursive silo
well it's harder to be impressed when he's playing your own spec
vast forum
I would assume he put more effort into classes he played more
vast forum
Idk, mfd necro outlaw is super high apm and shit but it gets half carried by good nameplate settings and was
dusk void
I haven’t played Outlaw in awhile, but what is deemed so hard about it?
vast forum
It has a lot of small stuff to track
vestal wren
mfd + sbs sniping and the lower gcd that means you have a lot of fast decision making
vast forum
You mean sniping?
dusk void
Makes sense with the APM thing.
vast forum
Having a lot of really short cds makes it hard to manage
vestal wren
affliction is also not hard on pure st
but becomes a lot more challenging if you have multiple target situations
sand sigil
hm true it's only hard in aoe
dusk void
I’ve just hated rtb since it’s inception so I refuse to play outlaw. But that’s just my own personal vendetta
sand sigil
well the other thing about outlaw imo is like the aoe requires u to be in semi-precarious positions a lot of the time
like sin u can just leave and ur bleeds are still gonna do like 10k+ dps
sub u can just press 2 buttons and focus fully on the mechanics and dodging
but u have to maintain the high apm WHILE having to worry about positioning with outlaw
sometimes it's fine cuz of extendo arms tho just depends on the pull i guess
kindred rapids
like sin u can just leave and ur bleeds are still gonna do like 10k+ dps
lol no
vast forum
I agree, necro mfd outlaw might be the most difficult spec to pull off in real aoe situations
sand sigil
idk if i ct 10 mobs in halls and put up 5 ruptures and 4 garrotes i can just afk and spam fok from range for like 10 seconds and be fine
quiet thicket
I'd recommend starting here: !Guide
how do i get to the guide?
vast forum
But it's not super complex, it's just super high apm and takes your attention to 10 things at a time
shy dust
but u have to maintain the high apm WHILE having to worry about positioning with...
What
This is the opposite
Positioning is a joke
With outlaw range
vestal wren
how do i get to the guide?
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
shy dust
Also blade flurry range itself is pretty large
kindred rapids
idk if i ct 10 mobs in halls and put up 5 ruptures and 4 garrotes i can just afk...
we talkin about M+ here?
kindred rapids
sin is actually comparatively harder in M+
vestal wren
wowhead is usualyl quite good, iv too
vast forum
sin is actually comparatively harder in M+
Hard disagree
sand sigil
idk i played all 3 specs in keys last season and the only one i felt worried having my dps impacted negatively due to mechanics was outlaw
in raid tho
shy dust
If you’re messing up positioning as outlaw
hollow talon
soo are we all switching outlaw frost now
sand sigil
look i don't have to worry about the mob at all
brisk garnet
You don't have to stay in position constantly as Sin though
sand sigil
just spam fok on sin
kindred rapids
sin you are constantly target swapping and managing bleeds. outlaw is just do single target rotation (+ sbs if you're necro). also had much bigger melee range.
vestal wren
soo are we all switching outlaw frost now
no, we just wait till we have the changes so we can see if there are bugs or diffrences in implementation
sand sigil
and rupture or envenom a mob that's safe
on outlaw, u have to hit the bte target
and u have to position equidistant to cleave 5 targets from ur bte'd target
vestal wren
because the sims are just assumptions based on the bluepost
sand sigil
so there's a finite area where that's possible sometimes
sin can just put a rupture on whoever
sub doesn't have to do anything
just be completely safe and ss bp
quiet thicket
@vestal wren is it worth getting premium raidbots service?
vestal wren
depends how much you use it
if you use it a lot it can be great
i think the majority don't need it
grizzled orbit
Find a guild that provides free max sim raidbots. Lol
sand sigil
also
there are many mechanics which will kill u 80-0 on a +29, as sin and sub, i can just face those mobs and press evasion
as outlaw, i have to hit my target, and 180 with my mouse to evasion the cast, and then 180 back around
that kinda stuff would never happen as sub where u can face wherever u want and bp
kindred rapids
+29?
quiet thicket
depends how much you use it
okay. I will see how often i will use it in the future. I thank you a lot and the others for this quick and qualitative answers! Much oblidged!
sterile lodge
I don't have a sin lego yet, should I wait incase dashing is bis?
sand sigil
idk ultimately agree to disagree i guess rae but i still haven't heard u say a spec that is your contender for being harder than outlaw
lone wren
i use sims a lot, so paying 5$ a month to not have to wait for my results is worth it to me.
sand sigil
there are definitely some contenders i just don't think they win out in the end
lone wren
sometimes i sim my new build before a boss pull and need my results fast, so in those cases it's really useful
the need for that diminishes as i get farther in the tier and not getting upgrades as often ..so if you wanna min/max your finances irl get it for the first 2 months of a tier then cancel it :p
vestal wren
you could in theory run local too 😛
grizzled orbit
MFD/GS are the only things that make Outlaw difficult in my opinion. @sand sigil
lone wren
you could in theory run local too 😛
i never messed with that tbh
cyan viper
MFD/GS are the only things that make Outlaw difficult in my opinion. <@!30015953...
quickdraw :S
vestal wren
but yes, if the raidbots queue is high and if you need a fast result, its better to have premium
sand sigil
MFD/GS are the only things that make Outlaw difficult in my opinion. <@!30015953...
sbs way harder than gs
what u mean
grizzled orbit
not even thinking about sbs.
sand sigil
gs u just slam on cd on ur prio don't need to aim it or anything
it's just another sinister strike
red pagoda
Im glad i went kyrian
I get sad every time i try to bonespike something, then volcanic happen and i use it on a mob that already has it
pallid bough
as outlaw, i have to hit my target, and 180 with my mouse to evasion the cast, a...
Outlaw only spec where you have to flick your mouse as if you are playing CSGO
sand sigil
but yeah i do agree mfd + sbs only reason i say the spec is hard. without those components it'd probably just be average difficulty with above average apm
i guess being a utility bot is also a skill set that's kind of unique compared to like an arms warrior or something
but all rogue specs have that responsibility kinda
obtuse robin
so im putting the frost set thing in sub pins to sim but its not working for me , what am i doing wrong
well i assume its wrong cuz it sims lowers and doesnt show frost vs blood
halcyon zealot
are you doing it in advanced sim
real pewter
Do we think the frost dom socket will be BIS after next week/
obtuse robin
yea i am
slim pebble
Do we know how big a DPS loss the SBS bug? Starting mythic in a couple weeks here and I need to know if I should swap or ride it out
sonic spire
Exactly 😇
slim pebble
Sorry I can't math
sonic spire
SBS = loml
fallen arch
sonic spire
Those stats also show main mangle as the best potency conduit for us though so like…. pretty sure it’s
fallen arch
Ppl actually run that conduit?
wary pawn
540 is max soul cinders for the week right? (not counting table missions)
sonic spire
Yeah, the BIS trinket according to WCL is decanter from SD too
pale plank
looking at the sims for a venthyr sin, obidiance and doomblade sims almost the same, and obidiance does better in aoe too, so should i go with obidiance?
alpine latch
I went with Obedience. The difference was extremely close, so I went straight to r6
I'm making a Zoldyck next, then I'll finish up with a Doomblade
astral plover
if i got a 252 dagger. can i trade swords then?
past bobcat
Decanter trinket is good?
night leaf
it is very likely dashing scoundrel will very soon become BiS
sonic spire
Decanter trinket is good?
Warcraft logs stats pages are hella skewed was the point there
halcyon zealot
i mean people are just using trinkets they have access to atm
sonic spire
And using them to justify playing necro is a terrible choice that I will fully embrace to keep my SBS
slim jay
Decanter is good yes
halcyon zealot
the tier is like 5 weeks old
sonic spire
The reason they show necro as better is because there is one Chinese rogue playing necro who is just very good at sin and he has great gear so his rankings on later bosses are inflating the covenant numbers
limber lion
brisk garnet
Isn't he kinda right that Warcraftlogs works really poorly with this little data? This guy is literally the only public Necro on bosses 5-9.
Or do they not include data when there's that little?
narrow ravine
was saving up to make Zoldyck next but maybe Dashing is in our future with frost buff
mortal pike
Shows you woh the REAL gamers are
fallen arch
Isn't he kinda right that Warcraftlogs works really poorly with this little data...
Well yes and no, in total it’s 1600 logs or so which I would call sufficient to say x or y seems better for the killed bosses
The thing is, it’s only the first few bosses and not the ‘hard’ ones
narrow ravine
I do enjoy having SBS to toss on adds that are out of melee range here and there
I have a lot of love for the ranged dot that builds CP
brisk garnet
But is the damage just averaged across all logs regardless of fight? That would make all numbers bizarrely skewed by Tarragrue right?
narrow ravine
pretty sure grue is ignored in the sums
brisk garnet
The later bosses should have disproportionately much more weight, otherwise it's totally useless.
fallen arch
God I hope so
fallen arch
The later bosses should have disproportionately much more weight, otherwise it's...
It will be like that once more ppl get there
brisk garnet
Or well, the same for Eye if Tarragrue is totally ignored.
fallen arch
But atm this is the data we’re working with and it should be treated with a massive grain of salt
narrow ravine
treated with a saltlick
brisk garnet
No, my point is, each log from Sylv probably carries the same weight as several thousand on The Eye right?
narrow ravine
no thats not how statistics work, you need a larger data set to rule out the outliers
brisk garnet
So one person can single handedly skew the results massively, unless the entire thing is useless.
sonic spire
I mean take painsmith - 7 sin rogues have killed it only one is necro but that one did the best on it only looking at Public logs
brisk garnet
So then all that matters for these graphs will be the first few bosses because way more people kill those, that can't be the way they calculate it.
narrow ravine
there is also the leader and follower issue to account for, lots of pro players play what they want to play vs what everyone else deems FotM builds
brisk garnet
no thats not how statistics work, you need a larger data set to rule out the out...
Sure but before you have those datasets Moriti is right no? One person can skew the data dramatically
narrow ravine
so you get all these followers that match what someone else is doing and not doing it as well
sonic spire
Exactly 😁 I’m secure in my necro copium
narrow ravine
just because you copy someone elses build doesn't mean you are used to it, or can execute it the same effectiveness
fallen arch
there is also the leader and follower issue to account for, lots of pro players ...
If its viable enough, yes
narrow ravine
people tend to follow the leader on whoever is doing best but don't examine themselves for personal flaws in execution
someone might say oh im going sub because its better than assassin but in real life that person is just plain better at assassin than sub, and would parse higher if he just stayed sin
sonic spire
Idk I feel bad for starting a big horaah about this I do think venth is probably the better choice but the stats favoring necro show it as a viable option even with the current bugs, and for people like me who love SBS we shouldn’t feel obligated to swap
fallen arch
But that’s the thing, the stats dont favor necro
brisk garnet
I am not arguing whether Necro is good or not, just trying to confirm that looking at Mythic damage right now is a terrible estimate.
narrow ravine
well the sims are misleading a lot of folks who cant grasp that 5min patchwork is not a raid, there are mechanics and adds and things that would easily push one spec from best to not best by missing one refresh of a cd by a few seconds
one active power that performs best if you do it perfectly every time might actually be worse than a passive option that does 99% as well without failure
id rather have consistency than a build that requires the stars to align to make the numbies
but thats probably just me
atomic estuary
Hey guys just wondering if i can get some help with log analysis and how i can match the other 2 rogues dps a bit better since my guild sees me as the weakest of the 3 rogues and benches me very frequently for that reason. This is for Mythic Eye of jailer
From what i have been able to see so far is that they have better uptime for garrote and rupture on stygian abductor adds by about 1-2% which is roughly 3.89-7.78 seconds (if total fight duration is 6:29, correct me if im wrong on this value i just punched [389sec x 0.02] into calculator) which doesnt really sound like im missing much. I know im missing about 5% rupture/garrote uptime on the boss and was able to pinpoint that to me actually stopping dps on boss when raidleads asked us to at 70% so that we could let 2nd add drop down and die before we pushed boss into P2 at 66%, whereas the other rogues reapplied a new garrote and rupture during that stop dps phase.
The other rogues also generated around 500-700 more energy than i did from venomous vim, would that be largely attributed to me not reapplying bleeds to boss at 70% or from not having the same uptimes on stygian abductor add. They seemed to have greater number of mutilate and evenom casts as a result of that energy difference.
Im fairly new to analyzing logs and this is my 2nd raid tier doing it so any help would greatly appreciated so i don't only see the bench T_T
fallen arch
They should bench other people than rogues from the looks of it 😄
Which one are you?
atomic estuary
oh sorry im aellus haha
vast forum
I mean, if you're getting benched for dps reasons and you're stopping dps when leader calls, your officers are making weird decisions
alpine garden
Simmed myself and raidbots told me maim was better than wps, anyone else found this?
Wondering what the reasoning would be, stats maybe?
fallen arch
Probably
real bay
sounds weird that benching, like why would you bench your top dps
look at the bottom first.. who ever is raid lead
pale plank
i should go with obidiance if i wanna switch between sub and sin right?
fallen arch
Hey guys just wondering if i can get some help with log analysis and how i can m...
Don’t see much wrong with it tbh, but I’m no expert. Also when you are following orders and the other guys quickly slap another dot on boss, then it sounds weird to bench you for lower dps tbh
fallen arch
look at the bottom first.. who ever is raid lead
Ye ‘ don’t wanna stack rogues for the sake of .. not stacking rogues?’
real bay
maybe lead jsut doesnt like rouges
sounds try-hardy for no real reason
rogues outperformed the rest of your raid
atomic estuary
well dps isnt the only reason theyre benching me, supposedly they think im weaker with mechanics too but they only saw me on 1st heroic week of progression and i admit i was tired those nights and didnt play amazing but didnt repeat the same mistakes in subsequent heroic raids
and as a result i never got put into mythic progression so far, only on tarragrue and eye reclears
sry is not*
so i figured if i polish up my dps at least that can be a contributing factor on why i shouldnt be benched when i do play well and handle mechanics clean
real bay
theyre wrong if you fixed your mistakes and outdpsd most of the raid, not the dude to bench
uneven hamlet
Simmed myself and raidbots told me maim was better than wps, anyone else found t...
Same to me, ppl said that is related to doom leggo? I guess
soft shale
that is correct
sonic spire
@atomic estuary So if you actually look at full performance - not just the kill - you actually only got outperformed by one of the other rogues, taking into account deaths/ standing in swirlies etc, so I agree with everyone else that it’s a weird call to sit you ❤️
grizzled orbit
well dps isnt the only reason theyre benching me, supposedly they think im weake...
As an officer myself, it wouldn’t surprise me if your leads were making an excuse to get rid of “ A rogue” doesn’t matter which, just get rid of one. As strong as rogues are, you will rarely find 3 on one team. Does your team need any other class to fill a gap?
soft shale
with doomblade maim and mangle can better than wps
alpine garden
Same to me, ppl said that is related to doom leggo? I guess
Yeah I figured that was related, but I remember asking the question way back when DB first became the ST go to and it was still not enough to outdo WPS
gloomy fern
Hey guys just wondering if i can get some help with log analysis and how i can m...
u can start by getting into the wft group
atomic estuary
aw thanks guys its reassuring to know im not shitting the bed entirely here
sonic spire
Oh true, I didn’t look at that but yeah if the other step rogues are in wtf amd you don’t get the buff they have a few % on you by default
real bay
wouldnt be surprised if the lead didnt account for that..
atomic estuary
As an officer myself, it wouldn’t surprise me if your leads were making an excus...
our roster is 26 at the moment and the only classes theyre recruiting for is lock, spriest and boomie
weary helm
well dps isnt the only reason theyre benching me, supposedly they think im weake...
You need to keep an eye on the logs. Are you pre potting before pull, Are you taking unnecessary damage. Are you dying where you shouldn’t be.
atomic estuary
u can start by getting into the wft group
LOL i actually got mad one time cuz when we did heroic Eye reclear there was 2 windfury shamans and 8 other melee spots but the warrior wanted the monk tank in his group so he could parse and raid leads said, "sorry aellus looks like we're switching u out of windfury for the monk tank"
atomic estuary
monk buff is raid wide
the warrior meant for his side of the eye add in p2
sonic spire
Maybe monk had ocarina ?
weary helm
Sounds like your guild isn’t brilliant. How many bosses have you cleared on Heroic?
atomic estuary
we're 5/10M and 10/10H
gloomy fern
they are 4/10M looking at the log he sent
weary helm
Ah.
real bay
why would the monk need to be in warriors group to go his side? XD
just go like whatever group
also WF for tanks sounds like a disaster, just why
grizzled orbit
@atomic estuary Bro, I really don’t think it’s you. Clearly, they need to free up a slot and you were unfortunately the name pulled from the hat.
sonic spire
Maybe it’s just a seniority thing? Are you the “new rogue”
grizzled orbit
Watch the other 2 rogues be officers. Lol
pure moth
Was just typing that lol
atomic estuary
me and crunch rogue are still trials and notah passed his trial 1 week before the log date (notahh was a "friend" from old guilds and passed his trial earlier than us and started his trial 2 weeks later than us lol)
sonic spire
I swear one of them apped to my guild not long ago so I wouldn’t think so🤔
weary helm
me and crunch rogue are still trials and notah passed his trial 1 week before th...
That’d be why. A lot of mythic progression guilds treat trials like shit.
grizzled orbit
You are a means to an end
weary helm
Because if you cause a fuss they can just simply say you’re causing issues and G-Kick you.
real bay
doesnt sound too bright to recruit 3 rogues if you know you dont want 3
weary helm
^
real bay
leadership is the problem
hollow river
yeah i just trialed for a guild and failed trial due to dps without shard bonus
and they take all BoE's to split 50/50 with whoever got the drop
weary helm
I’ve had terrible luck with shards ngl.
real bay
lmao
sonic spire
Even so based purely on the eye pulls from this log it looks like you outperformed crunch , more time alive through pulls more damage overall and hit by fewer swirlies
hollow river
a lot of times just getting yourself into the clique's in guilds fast
gets you in
from what i've seen
i don't talk to people, handle my shit and do what im supposed to
weary helm
I’m in a small guild with barely enough players to have a full Mythic roster. I’m the only person actually maining rogue. 🤦🏻♂️
Speaking of which. In terms of assa legendaries. Obedience or Doomblade? I’m not sure which is the better choice right now.
atomic estuary
Even so based purely on the eye pulls from this log it looks like you outperform...
hmm thanks dude
cinder horizon
was reading the pined messages, how close are we talking on the dashing v Obedience. says wait fro sims to come out, and wonder how long or were to look for them .
atomic estuary
a lot of times just getting yourself into the clique's in guilds fast
honestly this is facts, and quite honestly i also dont click with this guild that great. Their style of humour isnt the same as mine so im kinda quiet in comms
atomic estuary
<@344988564716781569> Bro, I really don’t think it’s you. Clearly, they need to ...
sadge T_T
fallen arch
honestly this is facts, and quite honestly i also dont click with this guild tha...
Time for some new applications 😄
atomic estuary
should i apply to new guilds? ive wondered it lol
3 weeks of mythic prog, saw none of it so far only reclears on first 2 bosses
fallen arch
Well if it doesnt click..
real bay
plenty of guilds around
fallen arch
And you’re benched for reasons unclear
dusty beacon
Hey guys, is there any haste cap for Single target?, i have 1000 haste and 480 crit and i dont know if i'm passing a little with my haste
grizzled orbit
In my experience, if a trial comes in asking a bunch of questions about their place on the team, it can be off putting. Just come in, do your job and go home.
fallen arch
Nah that’s not really a thing
shy dust
In my experience, if a trial comes in asking a bunch of questions about their pl...
If a trial joins and isnt in for any bosses at all
they are definitely free to ask what their place is
real bay
in any serious guild I've been in those things are explained beforehand
weary helm
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YyTjv64KHkGw7chZ#fight=38&type=damage-done&graphperf=1&source=91 Any advice on ways to improve my DPS. My guild is still in Heroic progression but I’m still not feeling like I’m doing very well.
cinder horizon
are we still going with th e unholy dom gems?
sonic spire
should i apply to new guilds? ive wondered it lol
It just depends - at the end of the day it’s a game and it’s way better when you play with people you like 🙂 personally finding a guild you vibe with is as important as ranking/prog
placid dawn
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YyTjv64KHkGw7chZ#fight=38&type=damage-done&...
You wasted a ton of energy (800+) and a lot of combo points (30+). That is quite big. I could understand the energy on dormazain since you might overcap when you dodge the red thing but you should not be wasting so many cps. Make sure to not mut or Fok if at max or max-1 cp
gloomy fern
It just depends - at the end of the day it’s a game and it’s way better when you...
if u wanna log on soulrender u gotta play CT and pad on adds
sry wrong guy
placid dawn
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YyTjv64KHkGw7chZ#fight=38&type=damage-done&...
Also, your uptime on garrote and rupture should be 98%+ and you have 90%. Also, do not open with ambush. Only ever use it with blindside or nightfae ability procs. One other thing, do your flag before rupture on opener. Also, you did your second flag at 2.5m into the fight for some reason, just use it on cd. Your third flag was at 5.30. You missed WAY WAY to many casts. Same with vendetta, you used it 3 times, on a 6.20 minute fight. Should have been 4 casts. You also missed a couple of shiv casts. Just slam that button on cd.
sonic spire
if u wanna log on soulrender u gotta play CT and pad on adds
Lmao I was like yeah I know I fucked up but idk why my bad parse is getting brought into this 😂
real bay
bye parses if no grips and ct
abstract venture
@vestal wren Yo Fuu, updated simms will come out after next reset? in herodamage and blood mallet i mean
vestal wren
likely yes
abstract venture
Thanks brother
vestal wren
sims won't be updated before the changes are live
because what we atm have is not confirmed to be what we get
but rather a interpretation of changes based on a bluepost
abstract venture
Yea, just making sure
But u i think the hotfix for frost set is already on live, tried it out just now and it did approx 9.5-10 % of overall
weary helm
Also, your uptime on garrote and rupture should be 98%+ and you have 90%. Also, ...
Thanks. Appreciate it.
vestal wren
the buffs come with reset
weary helm
Also, your uptime on garrote and rupture should be 98%+ and you have 90%. Also, ...
So Garrote on my opener instead of Ambush?
weary helm
So ditch Ambush from my stealth bars?
thorny pond
Kinda yea
kind talon
Kinda yea
If you have blindside proc during KA you just slam ambush yes or no
In place of a mut
MA**
hollow escarp
according to APL yes
kind talon
Thank god
thorny pond
I said kinda
kind talon
I wasn’t going crazy
hollow escarp
not sure if it's right or not
thorny pond
And stealth bar
weary helm
I run Elaborate planning rather than Blindside.
thorny pond
Is not active after you’re out of stealth
kind talon
I run Elaborate planning rather than Blindside.
Then never press ambush
kind talon
How much energy is ambush without the proc
fluid estuary
If you have blindside proc during KA you just slam ambush yes or no
Depends on CP. Ambush would generate max 3 CP while MUT generates 4.
dusk mason
i see alot off players here using different talents. are the guides on wowhead and ice-veins still up to date ? or do you all use a different guide
weary helm
https://raid.subcreation.net/assassination-rogue.html I based mine off of this. This represents what people are actually using.
manic quartz
Does flagellation trigger stacks even if you use CP's on off target?
loud silo
so will bonesmith gemstone be bis with dashing scoundrel and frost set?
idle star
i see alot off players here using different talents. are the guides on wowhead a...
BS/Deeper or EP/Vigor. Thr latter being a bit more friendly and better for cleave situations the former being a bit better pure ST
manic quartz
i mean if you have 2 targets and you use flagellation on mob 1 but then use envenom or rupture on mob2 do you gain haste stacks?
idle star
Good question.. i dont think ao as flag acts like vendetta?
Its a debuff on the target
mystic peak
it does
dusk mason
yeah thats my point sub4lyfe. wowhead says blindside - vigor
fluid estuary
depends on your haste.
idle star
Im favouring crit over haste atm so only sitting at 20% haste
fallen arch
yeah thats my point sub4lyfe. wowhead says blindside - vigor
Does it?
fluid estuary
BS / DS feel slow with lower haste, but has better bursts with proper pooling. EP / vigor is good if you're spammy, you need to maximize maintaining EP for max dps.
idle star
BS vigor would be dumb as blind side compliments deeper so much by filling those last 2-3 cp's so well
fallen arch
Ye its a bit weird that Wowhead recommends it
dusk mason
hmm
fallen arch
I’d say you’re safe with ep/vig for most encounters
idle star
If you take bs + vigor you are either holding onto bs procs too much or overcapping cp too much
fluid estuary
fallen arch
Unless maybe you’re realyyyy low haste
fluid estuary
This explains the talents somehow.
idle star
I have too much crit to go bs / vigor lol
fallen arch
Ep vigor is also preferred with more than 1 target
void needle
Does ep have a pandemic window?
balmy condor
BS vigor would be dumb as blind side compliments deeper so much by filling those...
Bs/vigor is actually mostly an energy thing, not a cp thing. You don’t overcap more with bs/vigor than normally
It’s just blindside being free really drives towards more/stronger finishers, and vigor drives towards more finishers, the combination of the two is just a little much
idle star
I just findmyaelf being able to spend bs procs instantly with deeper compared to always waiting with vigor.. idk
balmy condor
In both situations it replaces a mutilate that would’ve been cast in that place anyways
!bs
prisma monolithBOT
Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message
halcyon dagger
Hey guys just unlooked my covenant for rogue whats a good one to choose thinking necrolord or kyrian
timid talon
I'd go necro over kyrian 1000000% of the time, i hate how the kyrian ability feels
quasi scroll
Can you only get 1 shard/week per raid regardless of diff?
or can you do LFR->Normal->Heroic and get shards from all 3?
halcyon dagger
Nah 1 chance per boss
what about loot ? if i do lfr can i do normal if i get a team ?
halcyon dagger
yeah gear
lavish lichen
Yes ofc
halcyon dagger
oh wow really i didnt know that
stone gate
icy nova
so i swapped covenants, do yall know if you can farm renown on layer 1 all the way up to cap, or if you have to eventually do harder layers?
not sure if im just unlucky but ive been running layer 1s and havent gotten renown in like 4 runs
lavish lichen
What renown are you?
icy nova
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