Solution: SBS and kidney shot.
#assassination
fleet atlas
On some bosses you can also distract before pull to turn them around.
limpid plinth
Ye i usually do distract
amber mountain
Anyone else feeling a bit of a void in their daily routine with no RTWF going on?
deft wagon
Can someone explain to me why everyone seems to run Elaborate planning and vigor instead of blindside and deeper strat?
misty holly
Can someone explain to me why everyone seems to run Elaborate planning and vigor...
One less keybind. I fucking hate finding room for more abilities
torn dagger
what does the necrolord opener look like?
amber mountain
It's also interesting that neither WF team had a 'sin or sub rogue in their melee lineup despite our dominance in heroic
misty holly
It's also interesting that neither WF team had a 'sin or sub rogue in their mele...
I think it's because windfury + arms is better... at least thats my guess
torn dagger
replace your opening mutilate with SBS
thank you
misty holly
If they didnt have a windfury totem we would have seen some rogues I bet
narrow ravine
I have to remember to remove windfury buff from all my sims, like my guild even has an enhancement shaman lol
amber mountain
I think it's because windfury + arms is better... at least thats my guess
I suppose that's possibly true. Bring 1 shammy with 5-10% (pulling that out of my butt) less dps to get 10%+ dps (again, that's a butt number) more dps from a fury warrior maybe?
I'm my guild's only raiding Rogue, and only enhancement shammy period
my main alt is enh
narrow ravine
yeah im the only rogue in my guild
amber mountain
so... outside of torghast where one of our resto or ele shammy's gets the "drop extra totems" I've never felt the sweet sweet kiss of windfury
narrow ravine
I was going to main enh back in beta release it just felt so bad, I changed
something about the rotation just irks me
amber mountain
Yeah, it's less of a rotation than a series of reactions
there's a base rotation, but depending on procs (which is true for any dps shammy) it can get a little all over the place
narrow ravine
its those long pauses where there is nothing but hoping a proc happens
amber mountain
and if you miss something, or pick the wrong thing to hit, you can end up waiting
Yeah, my shammy is at a point that those are few and far between, and when they do happen they don't last long. But at the same time, I'd love to play my main ('sin rogue) with windfury in a raid just once to see how it feels
oh, and not in lfr 😛 because therein lies pain
odd hazel
Tbh I have a enh shammy In my raid and they seem lack luster
Then again- the rest of my raid are 
marble hemlock
its fun init
simple stratus
blows
shut garnet
any1 reach a 9k sim yet
twin prism
guys im completely shocked... i havent played assassination in a long time. But my logs are complete and utter dogshit. I dont think im doing my rotation THAT bad to be granted a gray parse.......
Can someone take a quick look maybe there is something super obvious that I am missing
i messed up my opener bad here
could that be the reason?
burnt star
Fury doesnt gain a lot from wft
The whole wft graph is found in the pin of #wow-general
amber mountain
oh... i don't think i've ever clicked on #wow-general...
burnt star
Sub is the 2nd best player that benefits from wft
amber mountain
why would i want to go there 😛
simple stratus
to find stuff
burnt star
The p.i chart is there too
spice spire
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/G2NyTt6RBzbX73Dn/#fight=last&view=rankings
Couple of things lightly looking
You missed a flag cast, you’re missing a weapon enchant on your main hand as well (maybe you just got it?)
spice spire
You also missed a trinke use (skulkers)
Also don’t use garrote in opener (you mentioned that your opener was scuffed, but yeah don’t do that)
twin prism
im trying to sync it up with vendetta, should i not?
odd hazel
Don’t use garrote in opener ? 
odd hazel
Oh yes
spice spire
im trying to sync it up with vendetta, should i not?
You should if you won’t miss a cast
twin prism
i dont, i use mutilate, slice and dice, mutilate, garrote, veenthyr thing then rupture. but i fucked up
spice spire
And yeah what whisp said
twin prism
whispyr, i got like 75 ilvl logs, which is not great at all. but in comparison to these last two pulls is like a lot better
So this is why im so shocked
spice spire
Not having a bonus and being 227 definitely pulls small things like that higher
wintry mica
looks like you let rupture fall off for a bit too
twin prism
can anyone who knows how to use warcraft logs just compare that log i linked to maybe a top rogue, im trying to do it but its confusing
spice spire
looks like you let rupture fall off for a bit too
His uptime was like 99.5% when I saw it
wintry mica
96%
spice spire
Nvm. 96 still acceptable. Won’t be diff in 20 and 80
wintry mica
im looking at the guardian pull since its basically patchwer k
spice spire
I double checked 😛 you’re right
wintry mica
yea definitely not a huge difference
narrow ravine
yeah based on that chart I can see why they would stack arms warriors with WF totem
spice spire
Unsure about that poison knife usage, but if you were about to overcapduring a mechanic good job
astral plover
Any1 wanna help me with checking my logs to see what i could do betyter?
balmy condor
link them
wintry mica
I guess if you are running a bomb out and capping on energy?
astral plover
spice spire
Also hi whispyr 
balmy condor
hi bb
spice spire
Figured that too, ray
balmy condor
Any1 wanna help me with checking my logs to see what i could do betyter?
blue is vendetta casts, flag is in red, is there any reason why you're syncing super awkwardly like this?
you're missing a flag cast
because you hard synced
but you also just like
didn't sync
astral plover
So i can get the haste doin vandetta
balmy condor
oh god
astral plover
i thought that was the play
astral plover
😛
astral plover
Makes sence
balmy condor
but even then
don't hard sync like that
you missed a cast of flag doing it
and that's a way bigger loss
astral plover
wait so u lads use Flag on CD?
wintry mica
if you would miss a cast
balmy condor
yes
always have used on cd
you can sync the last cast of vend/flag together
but aside from that
don't sync
rocky ruin
Unholy Set trying to wear asap or not?
wintry mica
yes, like literally every other dps
spice spire
Unholy Set trying to wear asap or not?
Unholy ASAP
dim temple
When it comes to the dom sockets .. Dos it matter you put them in? like red need to go to the helm?
balmy condor
no
wintry mica
nope
dim temple
ty 🙂
narrow ravine
well you have to have A helm to get the unholy set bonus
wintry mica
lol
balmy condor
dim temple
missing 2 unholy 😦
wintry mica
yea its literally like 1k sim dps lol
narrow ravine
I am missing 2 unholy too and tempting me to socket frost set while I wait
astral plover
Ye. i just got my chaos bane today
balmy condor
having all gems at max rank vs no gems at all is around 1500 actually
might actually be more
with how bonuses scale now
wintry mica
yea but max rank is not even doable yet right?
balmy condor
you can have a max rank dyz
wintry mica
I am missing 2 unholy too and tempting me to socket frost set while I wait
if you have the frost set 100% equip it right now
balmy condor
but not all 5
strange python
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
wintry mica
is it worth it to boost dyz to rank 5 when you need them equally leveled for set bonus?
balmy condor
no
spice spire
you can have a max rank dyz
Is this bait king?
balmy condor
usually I suggest getting things to rank 3
nimble tinsel
You can def have all 3 unholys to rank 4 this week at least
balmy condor
that's usually pretty quick
narrow ravine
its best to upgrade all 3 at the same time
wintry mica
I know people that have rank 5 dyz because they didnt understand how it worked
amber mountain
Is this bait king?
dyz nutz?
spice spire
Yeah
balmy condor
well blizzard didn't understand how it worked either
spice spire
Can’t even say the shard’s name in raid
balmy condor
that's why they randomly hotfixed in a 300% buff to the set bonuses
spice spire
Smh
balmy condor
which required you to level them different
wintry mica
bruh we have a guy named deez on our team so its even worse
shadow tusk
If you play EP do you still pool envenoms or do you Send it during the 10% dmg windwo
nimble tinsel
Yea I was gonna say it had nothing to do with not understanding how it works and everything to do with Blizz literally changed how it works lol
balmy condor
If you play EP do you still pool envenoms or do you Send it during the 10% dmg w...
still pool
wintry mica
you still pool, you can usually get both mut in the EP window and then pool for envenom
shadow tusk
yeah but usually u can get the envenom as well but if pooling is overall more dmg it makes sense
amber mountain
Make like Dopinder and "always Mr. Pool"
red plaza
bruh we have a guy named deez on our team so its even worse
I’ve had this name since Wrath and all I get are LOL LIGMA 
balmy condor
I’ve had this name since Wrath and all I get are LOL LIGMA <:Sadge:7848958007978...
whats ligma
wintry mica
is it worth it to sync every other flag with vend if you are using obedience, or do we just not get enough stacks/cdr for that to be worth
wintry mica
the emote flex tho
balmy condor
is it worth it to sync every other flag with vend if you are using obedience, or...
you can sync every other pretty reasonably for most kill times
won't miss a cast usually
would be like vend at 0, 2:20, 4:40
flag every 1:10
wintry mica
thats what I figured, but I'm behind and dumped my stuff into doomblade to hold me over
balmy condor
the emote flex tho
wintry mica
do yall think we will get nerfed if we keep staying at the top of the log ranking?
odd hazel
Nah
wintry mica
i assume blizzard is smart enough to understand the only reason we are at the top is our low end parses are way better than most classes
odd hazel
We weren’t even really included in RWF
whole mason
The only class missed the final boss?
whole mason
That's a big if for the first week
drowsy zodiac
max just said they wouldve brought rogue if theirs got unholy bonus
Why? Bloodmallet says it syms better have frost bonus
Btw
odd hazel
Yes but we were dumped as soon as they didn’t need the dps
drowsy zodiac
Is it real?
wintry mica
maybe frost scales better in the sim with full bis gear and a ton of crit?
odd hazel
@balmy condor any solid info on this ?
spice spire
Scaling
wintry mica
does top gear not replace dom shards that are already socketed in sims?
I just tried to sim frost vs unholy set and it told me to equip 2 unholy and 1 blood
narrow ravine
lol
I noticed that raidbots will sometimes bug out on the domination shards and show two socketed in a single item
wintry mica
nah actually the sim is just fuckd
narrow ravine
like I was also simming unholy set vs frost vs blood, and when looking at the sim results the head socket has both unholy and frost in it
wintry mica
it even moved my blood gem to a different slot and still didnt give me unholy set lol
gunna try to just force it in 2 separate sims
odd hazel
Could jus try gear comparing it
sour wraith
Has anyone else gotten sims to suggest subterfuge+mfd over subt+vigor for dslice (venthyr)?
narrow ravine
I think the bug happened when I simmed once then clicked to sim again and it pre-populated the items again
grand vine
you can sync every other pretty reasonably for most kill times
If i understand we use flag every time we got cd and vendetta too (even if we can't put them together) ? I have leg venthyr
whole mason
Frost set gives an intuitive fitting to sin as we do have much more opportunities for crits in its 20sec window
wintry mica
If i understand we use flag every time we got cd and vendetta too (even if we ca...
depends on fight length and if delaying to sync loses you a cast
amber mountain
Oof, so Complexity-Limit didn’t bring a rogue because theirs couldn’t get drops on domination shards…
wintry mica
is unholy set simming properly? cause it just simmed as only 200 dps increase on me
narrow ravine
same here, still trying to get unholy shards and a helm
make sure you level up the unholy sockets evenly, all rank 2 all rank 3 etc.
it ups the proc value
wintry mica
I just need either a frost or unholy shard to drop and i can at least get one of the bonuses
but id trade my shards in for a damn dagger drop
narrow ravine
Sim unholy all shards at ominous, all shards at desolate, all at foreboding and all at portentous to see the scaling
red plaza
!pb
prisma monolithBOT
Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss
odd python
best powers for terraque ?
narrow ravine
wintry mica
pretty sure its somewhere in wow-general
narrow ravine
got lucky with my powers last night, posted 11.4k dps on him with my shitter gear
wintry mica
no lumbering form on the table=scam
main wharf
Eating cake atm
do the sims account for the flavor of cake you are eating? 🤔
balmy condor
do the sims account for the flavor of cake you are eating? 🤔
Cookies and cream my mom made
main wharf
bis cake
tidal gorge
Chocolate sims better IMO
fleet anchor
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/866793086558535700/ima...
I think some of these feel a bit BS-y to me 😛
Potent Acid Gland is worth way more than 900 DPS
The proc alone is over 1k in most of the logs I've gotten with it and that isn't even accounting for the debuff
And the debuff is pretty close to 40-50% uptime of a 25% damage increase
Guildie got it last week and I mathed it out as over 3k DPS
Also Diffuser is only bad on non-Mythic and if you are bad and not soaking. It was 1.5k for me last night. <400 dps doesn't make sense in Mythic.
narrow ravine
its clearly a image capture from https://mythictrap.com/sanctumOfDomination/tarragrue which those numbers were pre-release
ive not found a updated list or sims on them
strange python
yo can someone look at a log for me, was my first night raiding as Sin last night and it didn't go great personally not totally sure what I'm doing incorrect
halcyon zealot
yeah, just link it
twilit quiver
does anyone have a list of the classes that benefit the most from windfury?
strange python
its pinned in #wow-general
odd hazel
its not bad but, rupture/garrote should be as close to 100% as possible, your evenom buff could be better
did
did you use venetta?
im not seeing it here
weird
its not showing vendetta as a buff used
but you did use it
halcyon zealot
sorry i’m at work will try to look when i get a free minute but looks like krey has you covered
odd hazel
im not the best at these but im not seeing to much stick out to me
tbh
your gear is oof for the most part. stat wise
you also dont have agility enchant on your boots
strange python
Oh, the agility enchant was because I had gotten those boots on the previous boss and just equipped them and I didnt have an enchant to slap on them right then and there
Im aware my gear isnt great though lmao
or whatever boss drops those boots
odd hazel
you have a little bit of downtime here and there
narrow ravine
is wowanalyzer updated yet? It used to give good hints
odd hazel
you wasted a bit of CP----
3 on mut, 4 on ambush, 3 on garrote, 4 on shiv
wild mural
@strange python biggest things man are to use your abilites on cd. There are very large gaps between your shivs. I don’t see a 2nd vendetta when it should have been used.
odd hazel
you also sat at max energy a bit
narrow ravine
do you guys hit shiv off CD even if you don't have cp ready for it?
odd hazel
yep
wild mural
Yeah
narrow ravine
thats the shiv ^
when I first started playing sin I kept waiting for the right moment to shiv
odd hazel
always just use it on CD
narrow ravine
like refreshing rupture and garrote build to 4 then use it, get as many envenoms in the window as I could but it was wrong all wrong, dont do that
wild mural
You could argue unless the boss is about to leap away or something hold it (Sylvanas) otherwise just use that shit.
wild mural
Welp nvm lol
viscid spear
200 more dps than in Sin, hmm
ebon notch
rank 11 heroic sylvanas lets gooo
wild mural
I think nearly everyone’s sub sims higher but it’s patchwerk. There aren’t a lot of bosses in this raid where you have 100% uptime all the time and that’s all it takes.
digital zodiac
What legendary have you venthy boys gone with on cloak? Obedience or recrafted doom?
odd hazel
both
digital zodiac
what are you liking more in raid setting @odd hazel
nimble tinsel
yo can someone look at a log for me, was my first night raiding as Sin last nigh...
Missed a Skulkers, Flag, and Shiv cast over the course of the fight. Bleed uptime is ok but could be improved. Wasted 10 CP's on overcapping (not including shiv or seal fate). Sat at energy cap for extended periods a couple of times (might have been movement related issues). Probably general uptime improvements like using step during second knockback as an example. Should give you some things to work towards for now.
digital zodiac
or target dummy
odd hazel
i use doom in raid, and obedience in M+
digital zodiac
@odd hazel obedience feelingn better than zold?
odd hazel
<@!174732908689489920> obedience feelingn better than zold?
i prefer it more tbh, it does 100 more in sims for me in Dslice as well. the extra flags over time feel super nice
odd hazel
the set bonus
when i've only gotten one unholy shard and its the speed one. i have the execute blood shard and the frost damage shard
tidal gorge
I got my 3-set on painsmith and then smashed the rest of heroic >.>
Mythic tonight going to be fun
wild mural
I wish we did heroic first
brazen fern
Wasnt Chaosbann better? Bloodmallet is showing the frost thing atm. Do they changed something?
balmy condor
Bloodmallet shows the set bonus
balmy condor
balmy condor
I haven’t been able to get a sim showing frost set bonus
odd hazel
ITS BEEN A LONG DAY KAYU
balmy condor
On anything
odd hazel
its even top for hectic add
azure flare
I actually thought it would be the worst on st
odd hazel
give us that sim whispyr
balmy condor
I mean I knew frost was fine
spice spire
Is it top for helter skelter though 
balmy condor
Is it top for helter skelter though <:peepoNoted:823221501171335228>
Top for 6 target 1 min execute patchwerk with bloodfang
tidal gorge
What about stat weights 
balmy condor
odd hazel
dont be a bully quake 
spice spire
Ahhh yes excellent thank you master whispyr
spice spire
dont be a bully quake <:Toxic:585733851591081984>
green harbor
does sin get more from offhand weapon dps than most melee specs?
next dune
Lol
balmy condor
a 252 or a heroic sylvanas
A 252 heroic sylvanas dagger
Just titanforge that shit
odd hazel
what about my ocarina trinket
tidal gorge
If I get a sylvanas dagger with infinite stars should I vendor it and wait for expedience III?
balmy condor
Only if it’s socketed
balmy condor
#balance-druid
hollow river
Hey whispyr know of a way to get your /simc on mobile? Just curious
balmy condor
Screen mirror your computer to your phone through steam, paste it to yourself through a private discord channel
next dune
i think with exsanq its the top build
Not gonna lie, I keep saying I'm going to try this lol. That was crazy powerful in bfa with shrouded suffocation lol. Bringin it back!
balmy condor
Not gonna lie, I keep saying I'm going to try this lol. That was crazy powerful ...
Please don’t
Just to save yourself the disappointment
hollow river
Where’s oshoshi when you need him?
balmy condor
He left for classic
hollow river
He left for classic
Ouch
hollow river
Ouch for us all
hollow river
Lol
Feels pretty shit to be using 226 items from raid > 252 m+ gear from vault (((((:
Last 226 dom piece I have is gloves. My vault this week was 252 cloak or 252 gloves
scenic root
just dont do m+
real bay
any 252 ooze gamers
inland jacinth
is it really worth getting x3 226 dom gear
hollow river
252 tail spinner pendant mastery neck gamers
inland jacinth
vs a 252 gear?
hollow river
is it really worth getting x3 226 dom gear
Yep
inland jacinth
that strong eh
hollow river
Yep
tidal gorge
My sim went up into the 8.5k range post 3 set. It's busted.
hollow river
I mean you’d have to sim it but Unholy set bonus in total is ridiculous dps increase
inland jacinth
gotcha
hollow river
Rank 3 shards is equal to like 1k dps for most people
hollow river
I got 1 and my blood dps shard
inland jacinth
played lfr and everything
hollow river
Holy shit
balmy condor
Total dps
hollow river
I thought it was like 8%-10%
balmy condor
The set bonus at max rank alone is over 13%
marble hemlock
240ilvl, not even 8k sim
hollow river
I’m gonna craft Obe this week cuz playing sub too
balmy condor
Having all 5 gems max level from 0 gems would be the same gain as having doomblade and obedience equipped from 0 legendaries
marble hemlock
balmy condor
If that puts it into perspective
topaz saffron
Ya'll popping IQD on cool down?
hollow river
You have to use the Embers from raid to upgrade don’t you?
balmy condor
Ya'll popping IQD on cool down?
With vendetta usually cause I’m not getting a third cast
balmy condor
You have to use the Embers from raid to upgrade don’t you?
Yep
halcyon zealot
i have all 9 gems and it tells me wearing 3/3 blood gems with the bonus is a 250 dps increase over wearing 1 dps shard from each set, and it sims about 75 higher than frost
i’m just going to assume the set bonuses are fucking busted
inland jacinth
anybody playing outlaw/assassination actually made the obedience to rank 5/6 ?
balmy condor
i have all 9 gems and it tells me wearing 3/3 blood gems with the bonus is a 250...
No that makes sense
inland jacinth
thinking of just making the doomblade now before raid r5
balmy condor
Yes
odd hazel
Just to save yourself the disappointment
you mean the disappointment my guild is gonna crumble soon mos tlikely?
covert belfry
is the in-game guild finder any good for getting a half decent guild?
balmy condor
is the in-game guild finder any good for getting a half decent guild?
No
Well
Depends on what half decent means
Cutting edge guild? Nah
Heroic AotC by end of tier? Probably fine
hollow river
Maybe aotc guild yea
covert belfry
medium-hardcore m+
hollow river
IMO harder to find a strictly m+ guild
halcyon zealot
i wish they put this stuff in the tooltip , rather than simply “drains life from enemies”
covert belfry
doesnt have to be strictly m+
balmy condor
M+ is more of a “I know a couple tanks and a healer and I ran with a couple dps”
More than actual guild
hollow river
Try to add people that are decent that you meet in pugs
balmy condor
Gotta make some friends then
From my experience guilds do their runs but don’t really push that much or anything
hollow river
If you play really well some tanks will ask to add you
balmy condor
All of my non-pug keys are Just good friend groups
covert belfry
by medium-hardcore I just mean I want to do 15s really
balmy condor
Oh
covert belfry
not interested in going to like 20
covert belfry
yeah and I can't do those pugging
balmy condor
Not sure how good the guild finder is for that tho
covert belfry
well how do you figure out if a guild is shit or not?
guild finder just lists seemingly random ones
alpine latch
Do you guys run standard m+ talents for Torghast (swapping to Leaching Poison)?
balmy condor
well how do you figure out if a guild is shit or not?
Usually by world rank is the easiest way to differentiate
alpine latch
I miss being a Necrolord so much in Torghast.. The shield explosion was so nice. I haven't found any Venthyr powers that are very strong 😦
balmy condor
Higher world rank = more prog faster than lower world rank = better players = less shit
Usually
Obviously a 7 day raid guild at world rank 2000 is probably pretty terrible
odd hazel
i feel as most people see mythic and just say no
most heroic guilds i've been in that have SMASHED heroic, just for some reason didnt want anythign to do with mythic
inland hull
Mythic does seem pretty stressful. A lot of guilds on my server that raid Mythic don't last more than a tier or two
alpine latch
A lot of people think that once you step foot into Mythic, you turn into an uncontrollable minmaxxing dbag
narrow ravine
my guild will usually only get about half way through mythic but we have trouble with scheduling exactly 20 of the right people/classes to make it happen
I wish mythic was flex
halcyon zealot
i like mythic cuz i think learning “hard” mechanics and how to maximize damage while doing them correctly is fun, there’s only so much of that in heroic
narrow ravine
or at least sorta flex like, dont have 20, ok 15 is tuned slightly harder, ok 10 is tuned slightly harder, id rather take a bit more difficulty than having to cancel a raid cause we have 17 show up
tidal gorge
The roster restriction does add its challenges. I feel like I'm usually in a good place cause I don't mind if I get benched for one reason or the other. Many people rage quit if they get benched.
balmy condor
A lot of people think that once you step foot into Mythic, you turn into an unco...
The fuck did you say to me? I have you know my logs are the top of my raid and I consistently SLAM the meters full of damage, I’m in every class discord, even for classes I don’t play, just to help improve other people in my raid, and honestly you just attacking mythic raiders for the CULTURE and the DEDICATION we have is beyond incomprehensible
narrow ravine
yup, between having too many and benching people who then take it personally, or not having enough and canceling the raid, its quite a lot of stress
we have quite a few players who just stop playing wow after AOTC
we struggle to replace them for mythics and end up taking people just for warm bodies
alpine latch
The fuck did you say to me? I have you know my logs are the top of my raid and I...
Not gonna lie, I thought I said something wrong at first. lol
spice spire
The fuck did you say to me? I have you know my logs are the top of my raid and I...
FUCK
alpine latch
My alliance guild was always like that. People assumed that if you wanted to be 2-3 bosses deep into Mythic you had to ultra min-max and shit
spice spire
Dog what
alpine latch
Yeah, it was extremely frustrating
They purposefully kept the raiding roster under 20 so that they would never "turn toxic"
spice spire
balmy condor
My guild killed mythic hivemind with half the roster grey parsing heroic that same week
halcyon zealot
everyone’s got different goals, hardest part of making a guild/raid is getting 20-25 people on the same page/mindset
wintry mica
we just got a new mage in our guild whos old mythic team had a 36 man roster
halcyon zealot
but also some people take it too far, like ur old guild lol
harsh anchor
Couldve almost doubled the amount of prog with that kind of roster.
2 groups going let’s see who gets ce first
limber lion
Minmaxing 
spice spire
Minmaxing <:AngryLove:717851219430735942>
Calm down 252 dagger and heroic sylv offhand
Only min max you’re doing is loot chief
That’s cap btw
balmy condor
It’s true
spice spire
Oh
balmy condor
Cev is only green because he minmax’s his rng
balmy condor
Just like im only Green because kojiyama has me here in this basement for the last year
spice spire
Unlucky
limber lion
Yeh, all greenies have their niche
balmy condor
Thank god it’s already checks etchings in the wall April 17th
Should be out of here by June
spice spire
wintry mica
bad news its actually only february 9th
tidal gorge
Thank goodness. Someone told me to beware the ides of march
reef ingot
So for raiding if im venthyr, should i go zoldycks or obedience? They seem very close
cosmic prism
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fRdHw8q8X6rQQ97bZQbtHv is there something wrong here, why am i simming so low, my outlaw sims 400 dps higher in ST 
weary helm
I'm personally less worried about my Sims over my actual performance in raids and M+.
lone wren
My alliance guild was always like that. People assumed that if you wanted to be ...
So .... How did your guild kill mythic bosses? Pugged the last 2-3ppl?
south spear
Is shadowgrasp totem sim bait or does it actually work?
visual kelp
ive been thinking the same thing lke what brought it up like that
rigid tartan
It’s good for me like about on par with phial
halcyon zealot
Is shadowgrasp totem sim bait or does it actually work?
i have a 252 sgt, can confirm it pumps
it’s also hasted
balmy condor
Sim bait does not exist
Pls remove word from vocabulary
That’s the next word on my list
Scaling? Dead
placid pagoda
With the SBS bug, does the bleed already on target mean any of assa bleeds or just SBS bleed?
balmy condor
Gone
balmy condor
With the SBS bug, does the bleed already on target mean any of assa bleeds or ju...
Sbs
placid pagoda
Okay so will be fine with assa bleeds on
balmy condor
whats wrong with it
rustic shale
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fRdHw8q8X6rQQ97bZQbtHv is there something...
your still simming with vigor
a bit better
halcyon zealot
226 and 213 weps are honeslty prob holding you back the most at this point
8k isn’t too bad considering your weps
next solar
Wtf lol. I thought I was simming somewhat high.
Then again, some classes are simming 9k+ damn dom sockets https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dfVBfgqrVChDbpfvXTjYCB
hallow snow
How many stacks of Flagellation should i be shooting for, with Obedience leggo
olive tendon
Guys, I have a question about AoE.
What to do after first Crimson Tempest? Should I use Envenom for better poison aplication or completly ignore it and spam only Crimson Tempest for that instant tick of damage?
slow marsh
whats wrong with it
nothing at all, that's why i'm curious about going it
halcyon zealot
Wtf lol. I thought I was simming somewhat high.
Then again, some classes are sim...
yeah no shard set bonus is an instant like minus 200-300 atleast for my profile
balmy condor
nothing at all, that's why i'm curious about going it
Send it man, dashing is fine
halcyon zealot
there’s a boomy who broke 10k sim 
alpine latch
So .... How did your guild kill mythic bosses? Pugged the last 2-3ppl?
Yeah, almost all of our Mythic kills had pugs. We also had people come back mid-tier which boosted the numbers higher than they had originally intended.
slow marsh
I've never used it, it seems to just trade the mutilated flesh for energy gains / slight increased poison dam right? literally no change in playstyel?
rigid tartan
So i was awaiting the last gem (leech one from blood) in my collection from Sylvanas today since it’s guaranteed now but it didn’t drop. Anyone experienced this as well? I don’t need it at all probably but still weird to me
slow marsh
I mean i'm sure keeping envenom in pandemic is more beneficial too with it
lone wren
Yeah, almost all of our Mythic kills had pugs. We also had people come back mid-...
That's one the strangest things I've ever heard
hallow snow
another useless discord full of people who dont help others
plain thistle
How many stacks of Flagellation should i be shooting for, with Obedience leggo
you dont "shoot" for any stacks, you get what you get
usually 19-25 stacks
and calm down, no one here is obligated or being paid to answer your questions
drowsy parcel
they didnt answer my question
tribal marlin
Blood set is really strong tbh
Idk for Assa, but for Subtle for example, both set bonus are really close like 0.4%
UH win every days in multi target encounter tho, since it's ST and you can't have both Zed and Cor
odd hazel
another useless discord full of people who dont help others
we help people 24/7
hop off my guy
rustic thunder
slim wagon
another useless discord full of people who dont help others
no one is forcing you to be here. This is probably one of the best class discords and people are always helpful but some times people do not reply within 1 min
drowsy parcel
Blood set is really strong tbh
frost is simming better than blood for me
in my current gearset its unholy 9100, frost 9050 and blood 8850
with rank 4 gems
slow marsh
rank 4 across the board? or just on frost
icy ember
slow marsh
agi is more consistent
drowsy parcel
4 across the board yeah
odd hazel
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
odd hazel
like ice said agi is just more consistant
but phantom can get you more outcome if it rolls high
thorny pond
but phantom can get you more outcome if it rolls high
#outlaw is that way👉
odd hazel
Fuckin weeb 
thorny pond
I was sin when it was mut
odd hazel
it was never mut you swine
thorny pond
Played sin when hat sub was busted op
Counting DP timer ticks to better envenom time
thorny pond
Don’t be jelly
thorny pond
I know he does
odd hazel
#OTP
thorny pond
He just acts all high and mighty
odd hazel
OOOOHHH
thorny pond
Literally if my sin was simming as close to 9k as my sub was I'd play it more
tribal marlin
in my current gearset its unholy 9100, frost 9050 and blood 8850
yeah might be only good for Sub dps wise. It's really good defensive wise, for what it worth tho
thorny pond
Green guy gets a pass
He does way more for sin as a sub rogue than I do for sin as a sin rogue
thorny pond
Bleach is my huntard
thorny pond
Why wouldn't you
thorny pond
9 is literally a sub fight with a sin bait
cerulean nest
thinking of putting it on instead of my 236 oozling
thorny pond
sim it
thorny pond
don't lose health you monho
cerulean nest
okb et
thorny pond
Tell your healers to suck less
that's not your problem
you also do less dps at 0 HP
but you may have to check the sims to confirm that
shut garnet
its a bit of a sim bait, but in reality not rly
like from other ppls logs using it i see it at like 95-96% uptime usually
which is more than enough for it to be super good till u get a better trinket down the line
halcyon zealot
i mean how often are you really below 50% in a raid situation where you aren’t either 1) topped within a few seconds or 2) dead shortly
the times you actually float sub 50% hp for more than a few seconds is very very low
the trinket has really good uptime
alpine latch
That's one the strangest things I've ever heard
You don’t get out much then.
abstract flicker
switched from raid dom sockets to m+ sockets and override one... lost one BIG F
plain thistle
switched from raid dom sockets to m+ sockets and override one... lost one BIG F
here a WA to fix blizzard stupid design https://wago.io/Kqs2y4QRB
odd hazel
Imagine needing that
plain thistle
abstract flicker
here a WA to fix blizzard stupid design https://wago.io/Kqs2y4QRB
nice ty
cyan dew
One especific question: When I have 4/5cp and my Shiv is 1sec away from being up, should I wait this 1sec, use Shiv and then use my envenon?
(if i'll not cap energy, ofc)
cyan dew
There's a max time to hold?
dull osprey
are the leggo/soulbinds up to date in the 
or is there somewhere to see them?
cyan dew
are the leggo/soulbinds up to date in the <:pins:433007514825523202> or is there...
they're up to date
plain thistle
you just dont want to sit full energy
cyan dew
you just dont want to sit full energy
Got it. Thanks
cyan dew
So technically obed is ahead of doom, but not by mugh
Yeah
crude jetty
Has anyone else gotten sims to suggest subterfuge+mfd over subt+vigor for dslic...
curious if you got an answer to this as I am seeing the same thing on my sims (along with CT over PB)
bleak sky
Good to see all the azralon rogues here
sour wraith
nope, i imagine it's just because of obedience and wanting to get more cdr
crude jetty
nope, i imagine it's just because of obedience and wanting to get more cdr
im running doomblade, so maybe we have different use cases, but my sim showing 5% improvement... which I assume it means i'm just simming wrong
sour wraith
dunno then
drowsy parcel
my statweights seem to have flipped upside down 
its mastery=vers>crit>haste in my sims atm
very rude
bleak sky
its mastery=vers>crit>haste in my sims atm
trust the sims 
real nexus
hey guys, whats the best way to upgrade lashing scar conduit in 9.1? I still have the 213 one
halcyon zealot
kinda sucks but either kill M Sire or keep gambling with the 226 conduit upgrade items
pallid panther
Gamble korthia, youll get it eventually
real nexus
I really hoped there was an easier way rip, thx though
halcyon zealot
gl king
real nexus
let the gamba begin
lean thorn
Sup guys.
I've finally got 3 domination sockets and 3 shards of Unholy all together, even though I changed 239 shoulders for 226 ones. I was hoping for the huge dps increase, however simbot tells me that 3 unholy shards is not the way to go and places 3 dps shards from 3 diff schoold (1 unholy 1 frost 1 blood) as the best option (and it sims like +11 dps to current gear or smthng)
I'm kinda confused. Isn't it that the bonus should be huge dps-wise? And where may I see this bonus active btw? It doesn't show it in-game.
atomic bison
is obedience our best m+ leggo?
drowsy parcel
Sup guys.
I've finally got 3 domination sockets and 3 shards of Unholy all toget...
you need a helmet to be able to use unholy bonus
halcyon zealot
is obedience our best m+ leggo?
depends on your covenant really, if youre venthyr then yes, if youre necro zold still wins
but u can also play zold as venthyr and do just fine if u wanted to
sudden wadi
when playing heimer gemstone and ma do you want to vanish during gemstone or after?
halcyon zealot
AKAIK your vanish usage doesnt change - still want it to be synced with vendetta and you use gemstones windows to dump your SBS charges
sudden wadi
yeah i usually have both synced during vendetta gemstone being 10s and ma being 3, fits in the vendetta, but with stacked it puts me almost at 100% crit which almost seems a waste
topaz echo
does the frost set really sim better than unholy? i tend to take bloodmallet simulations with a grain of salt but the copium in me really wants to believe this: https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/assassination/domination_shards/castingpatchwerk
halcyon zealot
yeah i usually have both synced during vendetta gemstone being 10s and ma being ...
i think thats fine as long as youre getting all your sbs's out in the window and still have >4 seconds on vendetta when you vanish
drowsy parcel
does the frost set really sim better than unholy? i tend to take bloodmallet sim...
i did some personal sims for my own gear a few hours ago and unholy was ahead of frost by a very small margin
less than 50 dps
mortal pike
how much of a dps up are the shards baseline?
like having the set bonus
is that why some people are simming so dang high
Im barely breaking 7k at 230
halcyon zealot
that doesnt sound right
drowsy parcel
unholy set with level 4 gems gave me a 900 dps bump
topaz echo
i did some personal sims for my own gear a few hours ago and unholy was ahead of...
i guess that's because we don't suffer from a crit cap as much due to doing a lot of small instances of damage
mortal pike
that's insane lol holy guacamole
halcyon zealot
but yes, the shards and set bonus are worth alot, i think whyspr was saying earlier the blood set bonus is worth around 10% and unholy is about 15%? iirc
not sure about frost
mortal pike
I've only gotten 1 from each set :C
Do you only get a chance at a shard from each 1 boss no matter the difficulty?
halcyon zealot
yes
sinful citrus
Yes and then the other blood one is from the world boss
shut garnet
i think in the past week shards by themselves added like 2k to my sim 
theyre so stupid
shut garnet
just gotta keep farming em, thats where the main juice is from
mortal pike
Well I'm just an unducky gamer I guess
shut garnet
that and upgrading them (evenly)
dusky umbra
Hi guys one question, for example during the 9 fight, at the start should i apply garrote + rupture in both adds before going for a vendetta on a single one or should i just go for it at the start and after the vendetta spread the bleeds? Its something that im not quite sure. For me it makes sense to setup all bleeds before to get more energy but also vendetta already gives us plenty of energy
atomic bison
depends on your covenant really, if youre venthyr then yes, if youre necro zold ...
ah im venthyr
also where tf did conduit pin go
halcyon zealot
modest glen
so after today i got 3 frost, 3 blood and ofc 2 unholy shards.. fml
woeful wigeon
got 23% crit 25%haste 30%mastety 6% versa what do i have to mutch <, ??
rugged heron
first look i think mas? I personnaly like to have higher haste and then crit, but that's just me
gusty mirage
!def
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz
shell ivy
echo geyser
did anything change for obedience on sin today or very recently? someone said its garbo vs doomblade
but afaik its like less than 1% diff in st atm
slim siren
hey does anyone know if its worth upgrading a low weapon with valor
or is it better to just upgrade high ones
modest glen
quick question: blood or frost bonus? temporary until i get last unholy shard
opaque fable
blood sims slightly lower then unholy but frost seems to be dog D:
modest glen
aight, ty
tribal marlin
did anything change for obedience on sin today or very recently? someone said it...
Both legendary are mostly equal (they always has been, since the Obe nerf) in simDPS over 300s with 20% time variance.
However, Doomblade is consistant damage output thought any kind of fight / time lenght.
Obedience however rely on using things on CDs with clever sync/desync of your Vendetta/Flag windows. Its value depends on fight lenght.
That's why I usually recommend going for Doomblade by default, while having Obedience ready to use for niche cases.
stone gate
Is the gear thats good for sin similar to the ones good for sub?
or should I get a 2nd set if I wanna play sub as a secondary
tribal marlin
Haste is significatively less usefull to Subs who rather want to stack Crit and Versa to their soft cap
You can definitely play both spec with the same gear, Haste isn't "that bad" for Sub, especially the first 10 to 15%.
oblique parcel
Is it worth pre pull to equip DS and get a free slice? and lose vanish on pull?
tribal marlin
Like you can most likely just swap your rings and you'll be fine
tribal marlin
Is it worth pre pull to equip DS and get a free slice? and lose vanish on pull?
doubt it
round onyx
Guys, I need an honest perception. Do you think switching to Venthyr from Necrolord is worth it for raiding or is it close in dps now after nerf?
oblique parcel
For Sin its kinda whatever imo but if you want to play sub aswell then yes
round onyx
Sub is optimal now right?
tribal marlin
Guys, I need an honest perception. Do you think switching to Venthyr from Necrol...
Venthyr is better for raid content + Venthyr isn't bad in keys for Subtlety spec.
That's up to you
round onyx
My idea is Assa has more than sub, that's why i'm scare to swtch.
strange python
it dont say with the sin guide wich souldbind i need and the conduit tree
round onyx
I mean has more uptime at movement bosses
echo cargo
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
low epoch
Guys, I need an honest perception. Do you think switching to Venthyr from Necrol...
my sim rn puts them almost identical. doomblade necro vs doom venthyr / obedience venthyr
seems like the only reason to swap is so you can play sub as well and have a single lego that covers both specs
modest glen
when simming venthyr flag with and without obedience what kind of timings and stacks etc does it take into consideration? i might be stupid, but doesnt necro gain a huge advantage in that it doesnt rely on the same kind of uptime and timing of CD's? boss mechanics etc. like it takes a lot more effort to get max out of your flags
tribal marlin
Nah Venthyr is the play for most Assa progressing right now because the damage pattern is just better
halcyon zealot
you also shouldnt be thinking/trying to get 30 stacks of flag as assa
that will very rarely happen
18-24 is what we usually land at, and thats fine
tribal marlin
Usually you end up just syncing Flag + Vend most of the time, it's a much better burst windows / Bloodlust dps windows than just Vend
You know like raid is always the same story
bleak sky
phial drop 
tribal marlin
I mean Necro is fine just play necro if you want to play necro
modest glen
man couldn't they just kept obedience the way it was so we could just take it dont have to think about it
tribal marlin
Just play Doomblade
modest glen
think i might craft r6 doomblade, and maybe r4 obedience for now
tribal marlin
Play Doomblade, sync your Flag and Vendettas and don't overthink the spec
echo geyser
man couldn't they just kept obedience the way it was so we could just take it do...
truth
ebon notch
Play Doomblade, sync your Flag and Vendettas and don't overthink the spec
wait you delay it 30s to sync it?
opaque karma
ne 1 sim higher with blindside besides me ??
tribal marlin
wait you delay it 30s to sync it?
yes
opaque karma
trying to figure out why every1 is running EP
oblique parcel
ne 1 sim higher with blindside besides me ??
blindside deeper sims about 80 higher for me
ebon notch
blindside/DS sims highest
tribal marlin
just sync these CD really don't overthink
oblique parcel
but feels so much worse than ep/vigor
ebon notch
but EP vigor is just nicer to play
dont need as much haste and can stack more crit/vers
tribal marlin
95% of the time if you try to min max the Flag/Vend game you will at best win irrelevant unecessary damage and loose damage when it matter the most (during lust).
Dont overthink assa spec, play it straight forward and you'll do your job, believe me
opaque karma
im running 20% haste watd u think would be the play?
ebon notch
im running 20% haste watd u think would be the play?
if your crit is your highest stat with your haste at that value
you can just chill with ep/vigor
summer onyx
What's up with Shadowstep on Eye of the Jailer? Sometimes it just blinks me directly in front of him during his beam
ebon notch
i personally simmed slightly better with less haste more crit but its w.e
ebon notch
What's up with Shadowstep on Eye of the Jailer? Sometimes it just blinks me dire...
i always blink to the same place
summer onyx
yeah i think it might be not blinking until his back is to the platform completely, only seems to work if i wait for the beam to almost hit the chain
ebon notch
yeah i think it might be not blinking until his back is to the platform complete...
you can see me do it like
10 times on this fight
consistently always in the same spot
eternal acorn
Why running MA or ZOLD in m+ if the opener is to apply 3 garotte ?
hollow river
i've almost hit 7k sim
:l
rng has been so troll for me since patch lol rolling like 15s on everything
harsh anchor
kt tank adds refund sbs now 🙂
abstract tartan
If someone could help me out, that would be amazing. I've been reading most places that Obedience is the better lego for raiding, however when I sim the two, Doomblade is coming out on top. Is Raidbots bugged or could it be something else? Thank you in advance! I'll link my armory below. P.S. I know I need to move the lego to another slot.
hollow river
If someone could help me out, that would be amazing. I've been reading most plac...
Obedience barely pulls ahead in pure ST with 252 ilvl and full Dom shard set
try 2-3 target boss sim, no idea if its better for cleave or not
slow marsh
Probably just roll with doomblade unless you are gonna dabble with sub
harsh anchor
Prob part of the sbs bug but glacial spikes liked to cleanse the SBS off themselves so wouldnt get a refund from them tonight
idk p sure everything refunds properly now .. or should unless bugged from the essay of issues it has currently
slow marsh
Sbs refunds are bugged right now
slow marsh
It's been screwy since launch of raid so I would expect to see mixed results
oblique parcel
y
pure sinew
yes
quasi scroll
ok, that's what I figured, ty
thorny pond
If you can do some normal runs of SoD + spend a good few hours doing Korthia over a weekend you’ll get a lot of conduits
strange python
for sin ventyr wich souldbind i take? theotar? and what the way in the tree of the souldbind?
slow wadi
its on pins
hollow river
for sin ventyr wich souldbind i take? theotar? and what the way in the tree ...
Sim it. Usually Nadjia triple potency or take Dauntless Duelist nadjia soulbind. Gotta sim to see what’s best for you.
modern cedar
Do you need to run more vers when using obedience?
timid talon
how are you guys handling the knockback on mythic nerzhul? shadowstepping seems too inconsistent
even if i step to my partner they can be out of range
onyx fable
Is +7 agi worse than +16 secondary?
slow marsh
yes
quasi scroll
where's a good tutorial for domination shards?
I have 2 pieces with sockets and 4 gems but they all look like crap gems
I guess https://www.wowhead.com/guides/shards-of-domination-overview-effects-sockets-rune-word-set-bonuses
wild beacon
can't get my last 2 unholy shards to drop
balmy condor
I have 2 pieces with sockets and 4 gems but they all look like crap gems
there's 3 dps gems, one of each color, you then use the other 2 sockets to complete the unholy (purple) set bonus
upgrading the unholy gems should be a priority since that increases the strength of the set bonus
timid talon
upgrading the unholy gems should be a priority since that increases the strength...
dont be like me and max out dyz asap 
I didn't know this was a thing the first day
torpid patio
Can I ask some people to look at logs for me and tell me what I'm doing wrong? I'm parsing super low and not sure why
strange python
Is it Even possible to high parse without 3set? :/
balmy condor
Very difficult
balmy condor
dont be like me and max out dyz asap <:Sadge:819969613915488346> I didn't know t...
It wasn’t a thing the first day
strange python
I've got double 252 weps but don't feel like I can get above 95-98 range without 3set
torpid patio
ooooooooooo thank you 😄
minor terrace
Good morning everyone. I see a lot of people that raid/m+ use macros for Single target and AoE rotation . Can some1 suggest me good macros?
slow marsh
That's actually not really true
toxic ivy
gonna bite the bullet and go venth
slow marsh
How is it biting the bullet to go the dominant cov for a class lol
toxic ivy
I've been sticking with necro all this time, just finally going over is all
slow marsh
Ahh yeah I mean they are pretty neck and neck. But I get it
If they fix sbs bugs then Necro will likely end up with higher overall damage across the raid, but that seems to be a big if
fleet anchor
Is it Even possible to high parse without 3set? :/
Unlikely but wouldn't really worry about parses at this point. A good percentage of people don't have 3-set so you're in good company.
I think only 6-7 of our DPS have 3-sets this week
buoyant venture
Any tip on what I do wrong and how can I get better? 😅 Sims tells me my ST damage is 7.2k
But with ep and vigor i usually don't reach that, blindside feels better. My gear is pretty shit I guess too, low haste and too much mastery here and there?
minor anchor
Is it worth Dual Wielding Syl Daggers?
slow marsh
Ep Vigor is better for multi target fights, so buy tomes and talent swap + when you get Dom gear you'll be just fine
slow marsh
Is it worth Dual Wielding Syl Daggers?
Pins have a link to sim sheet that includes dagger breakdown
minor anchor
Oh my bad. Thanks
stone pumice
quick question, I normally run outlaw for keys, but would it be worth running assassination during tyrannical weeks for that sweet sweet st?
fallen arch
Man, having 3 unholy shards feels like cheating parses at this point
slow marsh
Not really? Worth is subjective depending on circumstances. Play whichever you perform better on. Outlaw ST isn't bad considering you're probs using zold as sin anyways
void pecan
I can't get a domination piece for anything.
stone pumice
Not really? Worth is subjective depending on circumstances. Play whichever you p...
Ah that makes sense, thanks!
fallen arch
Any tip on what I do wrong and how can I get better? 😅 Sims tells me my ST dama...
You parse a 93 on 233 ilvl, what seems to be the problem?
You’e comparing to ppl with full dom sets and sylv daggers, can’t compete with that atm
Parses are super scuffed atm
fallen arch
I can't get a domination piece for anything.
If you really want, you can buy one in Korthia
buoyant venture
There's no problem, I just want to improve and know if I can do something better.. I struggle to maintain dots with pandemic and stuff.. Ofc 90 is a good parse, all I want is just to improve a bit every detail of it.. That's why I asked you guys, I am not the best log reader ahah
sleek pollen
Hey Guys where do we craft doomblade now ? Still Gloves or Back now ?
sullen inlet
Back, gloves are a dom socket piece
strange python
Unlikely but wouldn't really worry about parses at this point. A good percentage...
Yeah I'm just tilted putting up 98s knowing they'd be 99s/100s with it. I wanna do the big dam before I swap to sub and have to learn the spec
wild beacon
might as well delete your toon, only 98s smh
strange python
Low-key the deathly shadows prepull snd is a playstyle don't want to play
fallen arch
Then don’t
strange python
I mean if you're playing a pure DPS class with no real utility in a mythic raiding environment and you're not minmaxing your DPS you're kinda trolling.
fallen arch
If you’re playing a game but playing something you really dislike you’re kinda trolling too
strange python
Oboy this fun strawman again
brave laurel
Don't you lose the buff as assassination anyway? The gain from it is like minimal
fallen arch
Not like that 100-200 dps difference between sub and sin is gonna make you irrelevant
But then again, maybe I play it wrong
Not like sin is survival
celest marlin
So whats the verdict? to dual or not to dualwield Silvans dager?
Do we have proper analysis how much better is Domination gear then regular?
what are we talking about here? 10-20 ilvl?
north basin
Domination set is yuuuge, my 226 piece >>>> 252 piece. Ez 99 parses
So try to get it from normal asap
sand mauve
where can i find the old pinned messages?
modest jasper
Domination set is yuuuge, my 226 piece >>>> 252 piece. Ez 99 parses
Using 213 LFR chest atm 
Got me a neat 97 avg on last hc reclear though.
wary pawn
cant get shards to drop for me :\
modest jasper
Ye, ngl, shards is a really stupid system.
I got super lucky and have 5 sockets with unholy set + 2 dps shards... Others on our team don't even have 3 of any shard...
zenith hatch
You will change your mind once u get em
modest jasper
Not a fan.
modest jasper
Also the dmg increase we see weekly atm is almost annoying on reclear. Pushing eye almost 30s faster all of a sudden almost killed us etc :)
I'm Happy once everyone has set and we can just actually figure out timings.
Also hoping we can kill remnant this week
idle star
my guild stopped progging heroic at guardian and just went into Mythic and wiped on eye all night :/
idle star
but heroic tho... why stop
modest jasper
You will get it down eventually!
Well, sometimes people want to push for quick 3/9 mythic vaults etc
I'd consider talking to officers what's the reasoning behind it because you see a lot of good gear on the bosses up to Sylvanas
Never hurts to ask :-) Maybe they have good reasons or maybe they are missunderstanding wishes from the raiderd
E.g. we had optional heroic on a third day but with dom sockets etc. it felt very mandatory.
So we moved it to one of the main raid days for the next 2 ids.
Obvsly means less mythic prog but it's what the raid overall wants.
Officers also just need a small reminder sometimes ;-)
slim jay
Probably better just to kill terrague and then all of heroic before progging mythic
quasi grotto
Would appreciate if someone could help me look at my logs, and guide me to where I'm going wrong. Seem to be averaging around 70 parses. Haven't got day domination set. But seeing people say they're hitting 90s without has me worried
hollow river
Yeah we’ve been raiding 4 days in my guild. Just trying to get our darn shards and socket gear from any difficulty
idle star
see i cant afford to raid more than twice a week. having a significant other restricts these things 😛
slim jay
I know a solution
hollow river
Make a shards and sockets vendor for Embers
hollow river
Let’s us buy what we want and put it on whatever piece of gear we want (still slot restricted, but even m+ gear)
I mean they won’t be an issue because everyone should have them, we get that
But basically half the gear you get from m+ is obsolete waste of space with this system lol
slim jay
Better raid then
balmy condor
But basically half the gear you get from m+ is obsolete waste of space with this...
so just like tier sets for the last 15 years, or azerite armor, or any system
prisma monolithBOT
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rancid warren
!defensive
hollow river
so just like tier sets for the last 15 years, or azerite armor, or any system
Lmao idk man I’m new to wow
modest jasper
shards won't be an issue in 3 weeks
Ngl, that's exactly why I hate the system so much.
It already only matters for the first 2-4 ids depending on rng. So why not just assign a shard to each boss and make it guaranteed drops. Or let us buy them for embers or whatever...
It's that simple already, why layer it behind rng.
balmy condor
Ngl, that's exactly why I hate the system so much.
It already only matters for t...
no idea
modest jasper
I know :D
balmy condor
Lmao idk man I’m new to wow
yeh it's always been like this
raid has forever dropped loot that interferes
modest jasper
It's the way it is and luckily it's "light" rng
balmy condor
that's not really the issue
modest jasper
As in you will quickly have them all anyways
So guess we can be happy about that ;-)
Also guaranteed shard from Sylvanas definitely helps feel less bad :-)
hollow river
They are really powerful for something that everyone will have in a few weeks
slim jay
I was just happy to learn the chisel for removing shards is infinite use
hollow river
I think CE will be easier this tier
slim jay
I thought blizz was making that a huge stygia hole
balmy condor
tbh I don't know what I'm using stygia on
modest jasper
Nothing really once you got the one times
balmy condor
I mean I already bought that stuff
modest jasper
I guess 200 pieces for alts
slim jay
Make alts
balmy condor
fuck no
modest jasper
I mean, same with anima tbf
modest jasper
I have like 30.000+ again and don't know what to do with it before my bank is full
hollow river
I was thinking about making an alt but having to grind shards again before my power levels to everyone else’s doesn’t sound fun
slim jay
Legendary prices make me not want to have alts though
balmy condor
sets don't work in keys
slim jay
The set doesnt work in m+
modest jasper
No alts for me this tier.
The amount of effort and time you need to put into them to have them at a decent level is just too much for my taste.
balmy condor
slim jay
Only the individual shard powers
slim jay
Unless youre doing really high keys people are just going to look at your ilvl and score
