assassination

[alpine latch]

I haven't done torghast yet and I have raid tonight so I don't think I'll have time to go r5 and wait

[gaunt tree]

we might see balancing after RWF is done?

i'd wait till i really need that r5/r6 leggo

[alpine latch]

Maybe, but it's only 3 weeks for another r6 so it's not that big of a deal honestly

[spice spire]

It’ll be fine lol

[alpine latch]

I have enough Ash to make 3 rank 4s, so if it's completely fucked I'll just make a DB on my cloak and go back to that.

[spice spire]

It’s not like a hyper dead stat, so it’ll be more than fine

[gaunt tree]

haste is not a bad stat at all for sub

especially ST

changing gear to play between sin/sub is not that hard tbh

[spice spire]

Yeah it’s not like mastery on outlaw rogue or something. 😛

[alpine latch]

Such a dead stat

totes worthless

[strange python]

you underestimate it

i played outlaw in pvp s1

and one shot ppl with the mastery dmg

[narrow ravine]

you underestimate my poooowwwaaahhh!

[gaunt tree]

man last time mastery was good was like Legion poison stuff?

[alpine latch]

RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH

I mean, Mastery's definitely good.

[strange python]

i hit 2100 on outlaw and was discriminated against the entire way

[alpine latch]

Any damage increase is good, right?

[timid talon]

number bigger = good

[gaunt tree]

what matters is flexing ur ilvl dude

[alpine latch]

I really, really wish that any of our damn guides had the proper talent choices per boss.

It's annoying that they don't

[strange python]

thats because u can run the same thing the whole way through

[alpine latch]

Yeah, but the guide is for optimal choices.

You can run any talent choice the entire way through and be unoptimal

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[gaunt tree]

for sin rogue, really just pick crimson on last talent if ur in for a plenty of targets fight

changing that much is enough

[alpine latch]

This page assumes that you already understand most of the mechanics of each encounter. These can be found on the full raid guide, so what is contained here are details specifically tailored toward Assassination Rogue and what you can do to deal with each fight as best as possible.

The guide prefaces it with "this is the best choice possible"

I highly doubt PB is best for Sylvanas.

[strange python]

why not

[alpine latch]

Because of the sheer amount of movement in the fight?

[strange python]

its not that movement intensive

compared to painbringer imo

[alpine latch]

Yeah, that says PB too

[gaunt tree]

yeah you only move on p2

[spice spire]

In P1, her hit box is from where she starts

[alpine latch]

That's my point

[fallen arch]

Who is painbringer

[alpine latch]

Painsmith

[strange python]

swagbringer

[spice spire]

Painsmith is still a Pb fight imo

[fallen arch]

Jesus how many names does this guy have

[astral plover]

How come so many be playing Sub, when SIn looks better on statistics and stuff

[spice spire]

PainKing

[alpine latch]

Painsmith <The Guild Breaker>

[spice spire]

It doesn’t - statistically sims point to sub

[fallen arch]

Painquake

[alpine latch]

Didn't Echo bring in 2 Sin rogues?

[astral plover]

2 Subb rogues

[alpine latch]

It's nice seeing some rogues in the RWF for once

Oh I thought they said they were Sin

Either way, Rogues being there is huge IMO

[limber lion]

Well

[alpine latch]

I know Soniq had rogues too

[limber lion]

rogues are kinda dumb for stuff like that

[strange python]

soniq had 2 sin rogues

[fallen arch]

Rogue dumb?

[teal bloom]

Rogue smart 5Head

[spice spire]

Me hit boss? Me do dam

[limber lion]

As in

very good

If you can just stick to the boss and slap it constantly

it's pretty poggywoggy

[fallen arch]

Yeah so why so few in rwf?

[spice spire]

Not always an option in rwf

[fallen arch]

Or are they waiting for dagger drops and then bring em?

[alpine latch]

Limit only has like 1 rogue player

[timid talon]

Really we're only good on dps checks because we have no utility but we bring big damage, guilds like limit wont run rogues because they prefer to have comps with tons of utility

[alpine latch]

They have historically not had many rogues in Limit

[timid talon]

yeah because we dont have anything to help the raid

max prioritizes that

[spice spire]

For complexity specifically, they have one and trill. And troll is much better suited on the monk rn

Trill even

[timid talon]

look at any of their strats compared to echo, they just play hella safe

[alpine latch]

Echo has always had Rogue players

Since the Cata days

(when they were Method, obv)

[gaunt tree]

perfecto and kush vibing

[timid talon]

https://twitter.com/PerfectoWoW/status/1415680372612886543

Perfecto (@PerfectoWoW)

I just went back to my hotel room and I cried like a fucking bitch, man. Grown ass man. The people saying devs shouldn’t be making the game with us in mind are absolutely correct, but I’ve been in the RWF for more than 10 years and I’ve never had to deal with bullshit 1/2

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speaking of

[alpine latch]

I think Echo has a bigger roster than Limit right now too.

[spice spire]

Perfecto is doing the opposite of that rn

Yeah I was gonna say, mans having a bad time

[timid talon]

its not even his fault

dudes a beast but the loot system is garbage

[fallen arch]

Whodis?

[spice spire]

Yeah this tier so reliant on loot like even after half a bajillion splits, not enough is kind of a tilt

Echo rogue

[gaunt tree]

blizzard loves to get decent systems in-game to fuck everyone over how to obtain those

corruptions were great if you had them

domination sockets sounds cool if you get those

[azure bronze]

https://twitter.com/maximum/status/1415726427744489478 even max ain't happy about the shards

max (@maximum)

I actually can't believe they keep missing on accessibility with new systems. Like what the fuck are shards of domination, literal dice roll on a massive increase.

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[fallen arch]

Are the shards like corruption?

[spice spire]

I don’t even hate this system

[gaunt tree]

yeah dude the system is fine, its cool even imo

[spice spire]

Just combination with low loot drops feels fucking miserable

[azure bronze]

more like a tier set bonus

[fallen arch]

Are they that good?

[spice spire]

Yes

[azure bronze]

but you can't trade the shards

[gaunt tree]

but holy fuck, if ur unlucky you get dragged down to bottom

[austere gorge]

which shard is good for assassin? shard of jas ?

[timid talon]

max rank unholy set is like 1200 dps.

[south belfry]

Gotta love not getting loot

[gaunt tree]

cuyz ur unlucky

[azure bronze]

unholy set is around a 600-800 dps increase

depending on rank

[spice spire]

Like if you have a vanilla system, low loot is pretty sick for making the grind feel rewarding

[timid talon]

rank 1 is like 600 dps lol

[south belfry]

Last week 5/10 heroic no loot, this week 7/10 heroic 1 loot

[austere gorge]

how to know it is unholy ?

color red ?

[spice spire]

But having shards and relevant shot stop randomly and in low number, just feels like shit

[fallen arch]

Color green

[azure bronze]

Purple = Unholy , Red = Blood, Blue = Frost

[timid talon]

I have 8 shards, 2 unholy, no blood chest to socket for the set bonus, no frost shoulders to socket for the set bonus, its a fucking stupid ass system

[odd hazel]

the systems fine

RNGesus be with you

[gusty mirage]

you have EIGHT shards?

wtf

[fallen arch]

We’re 1,5 weeks in

I also feel like we’re all really greedy and impatient

[small island]

ive found 3 frost 2 blood 1 unholy shards

[austere gorge]

1?

[fallen arch]

Rng is the same for everyone. Stack 20 ppl in a raid and those 20 should have about the same amount of luck as another 20 ppl

[austere gorge]

what rank is this shard?

1?

[gaunt tree]

i got 3 shards so far, 2 blood and 1 unholy while a dk from my core got full unholy set

[fallen arch]

Ye

[gaunt tree]

and he slapping bosses like a bitch

[fallen arch]

U need to upgrade em urself

In Korthia at Bonesmith

[austere gorge]

i see ok ok got it.

so for us rogues , we go unholy set?

[fallen arch]

Yes

[austere gorge]

nicee. thanks for your guide!! 😛

[gaunt tree]

yeah, check gear category on wowhead guide for full info

[winged basin]

I have 3 unholy shards.. I’m just waiting to get the helm when I kill fatescribe Sunday..

I am looking forward to the dps BOOST

[odd hazel]

i got the helm toad

pew pew

[winged basin]

I got the gloves and boots

I am just praying for helm

[odd hazel]

helm/boot for me but no unholy shard

[timid talon]

remember to upgrade all 3 unholy shards

[odd hazel]

just 2 frost

[reef axle]

So we want 5 shards socketed in total? Or can only have 3, just thinking of blood and frost damage shard

[winged basin]

I wonder if I could get into a sylvanas pug, I want the dag

Dag chance in vault I mean

[austere gorge]

to get the bonus on gear shards, it must be all same colors?

[azure bronze]

You need one of the raid helmets and all 3 shards from the same set yes

[ebon garden]

is it possible for me to solo torghast layer 9 as assassination at 210ilvl? i tried doing a layer 8 and i just kept dying but it was at ilvl 185

[azure bronze]

Since the raid helms activate the set bonuses

[gaunt tree]

just look for a group on group finder imo

even if it takes a while to get into one

maybe ask guildies for help

i hate doing torghast as rogue

[austere gorge]

is this unholy too?

[gaunt tree]

yeah, all purple ones are unholy

[austere gorge]

great. thanks!

[azure bronze]

if you hover over the shards it says what sets they belong too

[sour citrus]

Gents, am i correct to assume when you get your domination gloves that is the time you shift to legendary cloak correct?

[azure bronze]

If you get gloves with a good shards probably yes

best to sim it

[sour citrus]

Ah, so far no good shards yet.

[alpine latch]

I got 3 as well (after 9 kills which is super lucky). 2 healing, 1 DPS

[strange python]

hello guys 1st time rouge here can you plz helpme and tellme what spec is best for 4/5 starring torghast in 9.1 if there is such a thing ?

[fervent rune]

I would say sub is the strongest of the 3

[plush garnet]

if you're struggling 4/5 torg, its not spec related

you need to do the extra points

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/torghast-scoring-system-shadowlands

You can easily flawless every run if you just hit a few extra points

[timid talon]

100% completion >>>>>> speed

[strange python]

thank u so much im aiming at getting glad in pvp yet i still have to do torghast for legendary stuff so i wanted to know spec wise what all i needed to do

[timid talon]

speed is pointless, you can get well over 200 without timing each floor

[strange python]

man im really glad u all know it doable now im pumped

hy of the wall question whats the best race for a rogue

[plush garnet]

If you're aiming for glad, go orc

[gaunt tree]

belf is good cuz crits and energy

[cold rampart]

guys on soulrender crimson tempest on 4 cp?

[fallen arch]

Mechagnome

[plain thistle]

max - 1 like a normal finisher

[cold rampart]

👍

[manic pebble]

how do you see a specific person timeline in warcraftlogs?

I just wanna only one guy to see what he casts

[azure bronze]

Damage done> Click person> Casts>timeline

[manic pebble]

thank you!

[alpine latch]

I 100% miss being a Necrodaddy in Torghast. Fleshcraft is OP as fuck.

[visual prairie]

the sub passive heal while in stealth or dance is nince

nice. i find sub to be easiest to get a 5 in there

[onyx pike]

Hey guys, I wanna ask a question. I am always using flaggelation with full combo points, but no matter how hard i try, I manage to get to no more than 20-21 stacks. I’ve seen people do 30, so any idea on what I can improve?

[echo geyser]

its literally RNG

and ofc lust / PI helps

[onyx pike]

So 20ish is good?

[echo geyser]

normal without those is probably 18-23 depending on rng

[vagrant delta]

Depends on the situation. With deeper strat I usually have around 27-30, with vigor I usually have around 24

[echo geyser]

if u get 25+ ur in lust or lucky

[vagrant delta]

Depends on blindsided procs, haste, hero, etc.

[echo geyser]

yep rng

crits

[vagrant delta]

In aoe in m+, it's easy to get 30

[onyx pike]

I’m running vigor, and even tho… not all my gear has haste in it, so i suppose that will contribute on a later stage

[echo geyser]

haste barely affects energy regen, u need a lot for it to even be noticable, if sin is similar to outlaw at least.

it boils down to crits tbh

u could just be lucky and get 4cp every mutilate

then a few gcds and ur up to 20+

[timid talon]

I have 36% crit and i feel like I rarely get 4cp outside of MA lol

[gaunt tree]

doesnt haste influence in poison/bleed procs anymore?

[vast forum]

i mean

[gaunt tree]

[vast forum]

haste directly influences energy regen

[echo geyser]

it does

[gaunt tree]

yeah

[vast forum]

both passive regen and bleed tickrate are affected by haste

and those are our only 2 sources of energy other than things dying with rup and first 3 sec of vendetta

[echo geyser]

well ok let me rephrase since i was drawing conclusions from outlaw

haste barely affects passive energy regen

[vagrant delta]

He is saying it takes alot of haste to influence how many flag stack you can get

[echo geyser]

(since outlaw doesnt have poison)

[vast forum]

how does it barely affect it tho?

10% haste is 10% more passive regen

[echo geyser]

yes and 10% haste

is like

how much stats

u getting like 100 more haste

[alpine latch]

Man, I feel bad for Perfecto... Dude's having a rough time.

[echo geyser]

wouldnt get u a lot more stacks

[vast forum]

oh if you're talking about value of haste as a stat, that's different

[echo geyser]

but if for sin, haste affecting poisons energy regen then i am not sure, cause i havent seen sims of it

but passive regen u need A LOOOOT of haste to even notice a diff

[vast forum]

and ye, on assa, even if you're global capped, you might not get enough crits to stack up flag properly 😄

[echo geyser]

yep even inside lust u cant get 30

if ur not lucky crits

[odd hazel]

we dont ever get 30

[echo geyser]

someone said they did

ive never done it tho

[odd hazel]

unless you're a freak and get back to back mut crits

like

8 times

[vagrant delta]

With deeper strat/ambush I can sometimes get 30 with hero, but only if I'm lucky. I see 29 pretty often

But that's only like 1 fight with the current meta

[timid talon]

bless your heart for playing bs/ds

[steep rover]

Is obedience still The play? Or does doom blade pull ahead again?

[paper blaze]

there is like a huge gap if i play sin nadjia triple potency or sin theothar triple potency

[echo geyser]

only the sim can tell u @paper blaze

[quasi grotto]

is there a bis list ?

[hollow river]

Nope

[timid talon]

[signal brook]

guys im currently on 34% crit and 16% but i sim higher in this than being on 25% crit and 26% haste, the difference is less than 80 dps. should i stick with more haste with 80 dps less or go for higher crit and less haste but 80 dps more?

[brazen rampart]

if the set with more haste gives less dps, don't take it

[timid talon]

always go for more dps unless it tells you to take bs/ds

[scenic osprey]

after a few gear upgrade my secondary got messed up , i picked 2 champ's brand, gave me all mastery instead of crit lol 72% mastery there u go

[arctic hare]

Yeouch

[scenic root]

My haste got skewed from the same situation, ended up with more verse than haste. Feels gross getting IQD of verse

[scenic osprey]

but i shouldnt have tanken 2 champ's brand to begin with lol

[timid talon]

I honestly think champs brand is a trap

dagger/axe just have so much value

[scenic osprey]

no vocanic plum

[spice spire]

Depends on affix tbh on brand

[scenic osprey]

is way better in most cases

when they are knocked up they cant auto attack/cast also free interrupt

[timid talon]

they nerfed plum pretty hardcore

[scenic osprey]

not for dmg thou

[timid talon]

its not bad to have 1

in the group

[scenic osprey]

i take it because ppl suck interupt

[plush remnant]

Just did heroic guardians yesterday and got a 9 parse overall. What improvements can I make with my rotation? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/waJDRZ3m6fzYk7xc#fight=16&type=damage-done&source=13

[scenic osprey]

u play sub too why vers gems?

[plush remnant]

Sub as well

[lean coral]

why did you sub this fight

didnt*

[modest glen]

how many flag stacks does the sims account for? i mean, dont you need really good uptime during your flags for it to be as good as it sims?

[scenic osprey]

i was wondering

too

[plush remnant]

Cause I was late to raid, but beyond that, any advice for rotation?

[lean coral]

that doesnt seem to make sense

also id use doomblade over obedience for sin

[scenic osprey]

i use CT instead of poision bomb

[lean coral]

for guardian?

[scenic osprey]

also prob have higher ilvl trinkets i think

wait are there no adds in the fitght ?

[lean coral]

no

[plush remnant]

Its a patchwerk fight

[lean coral]

its just a patchwerk fight pmuch

nuke before you die

[hollow jungle]

So is shadowgrasp trinket just a sim trap or is it worth grinding some dos?

[lean coral]

idk rotation seems fine

im bad at checking shit like if you actually used shiv on cd

[plush remnant]

Okay, wanted to sanity check here. Was thinking it was gear, gems, etc

[bright turret]

what does your ass set sim at

[scenic osprey]

if i were u i would just do sub instead also your secondary stats arent good for sin i think

[bright turret]

the fight time is so close to a 5 min sim you could probably get a rough idea that way

[lean coral]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TP4J9VaNDAR7Hb2B/#fight=52

theres my guilds logs if you wanna compare

[bright turret]

lotta people played sub on that fight so it can be hard to compare

[lean coral]

i was the sub rogue and we have another that played sin

we both got high 90 parses

so you can look at both sides

altho the sin rogue is necro

[plush remnant]

6.3k sim

[next solar]

thats fairly low, link your sim

?*

[bright turret]

you probably have some smaller rotational errors in there

if you're only 10% behind sim

[next solar]

oh, ignore me

[scenic osprey]

i dont see anything wrong but he has higher weapon / trinket ilvl thus its normal

@lean coral

[plush remnant]

Would doing bomb mechanic play a large part in that?

[lean coral]

well obviously

[plush remnant]

As well as stuff like crimson vial and feint

[lean coral]

thats down time

[bright turret]

it'd be a small drop, but the bomb mechanic is a short duration unless you got a ton of them

[lean coral]

kill time also matters

[limpid lava]

guys can u help me with my log too

i really dont know what my problem is

[scenic osprey]

he has 122 more main stats than u so lol

[fallen arch]

Yes

4:17 is pretty quick

[lean coral]

my guardian parse first week was like green

[fallen arch]

And you see that in the parses

[lean coral]

we killed it way faster this week

[plain thistle]

a sim play the game normally, it doesnt assume any stacks, it gets what you would get in game, 20-25 ish

[lean coral]

i tried obedience for sin

i just didnt like it

especially compared to sub

[scenic root]

Yeah looking over your log, opener seems good. You aren't caping energy or wasting CP. Only thing I see is you have a low ilvl and your conduits are low (200/213). You also didn't use a potion, that's like biggest thing I saw

[terse talon]

Opener with CT… when do you use the first CT?

[plush remnant]

Ty!

[bright turret]

I believe I've seen people say outside shiv when there is only one target

you can run a sim and look and its skill order on raid bots

[spice spire]

You maintain shiv outside of shiv windows on ST

Maintain CT*

[scenic osprey]

how to use shiv outside of shiv

oh

[bright turret]

reverse inception

[terse talon]

ok and then just keep as high uptime as possible

so in opener CT once the shiv window ends?

[spice spire]

Yeah

[scenic osprey]

so in ST still worth mataining CT outside shiv

[scenic root]

Goddam nimble steps makes logs so skuffed to look at

So useful... Not..

[azure flare]

You can click it off

[swift lodge]

Should I always be lining Flag with Vendetta or should i always be using flag on CD

[azure flare]

On cd

If you use obedience it will naturally allign

[scenic root]

Yeah, but default it's on, and on mobile hard to navigate logs. And when switched pages it resets it to on. Just obnoxious

[scenic osprey]

does flag line up with thrill seeker ?

[azure flare]

No

Eventually it will

Generally it doesnt

[swift lodge]

@azure flare Im getting about 10 seconds to wait on Flag with vendetta is up

is that natural?

[scenic osprey]

i thought its 1min 20 sec cd?

[azure flare]

Are you using obedience?

[swift lodge]

Yes i am

[scenic osprey]

thril seeker

[azure flare]

Its cd is 1:30

You should be waiting at best 6 seconds

10 seconds is quite a lot

[glass elm]

What's the go to leggo for assasination rogue in soD going forward? I'm getting told by good players that cov leggo is really good, but it just seems so bad compared to others like doomblade etc, would love to have an elaboration or a discussion about it!
Coombab - Kazzak (:

[swift lodge]

Okay so thats casting flag twice before each vendetta

[azure flare]

Check pins kuck

[swift lodge]

and i should be getting flag up with vendetta

[azure flare]

Best thing to do is sim

Yeah

[swift lodge]

alright something may be off with my opener

Mut - SnD - mut - garrote- vendetta- flag - rupture - shiv/vanish - mut - evenom?

[glass elm]

@azure flare thank you!

[halcyon zealot]

ya few globals messed up

[limber lion]

Perfectly fine.

[halcyon zealot]

you wanna mut - snd - mut - garrote - flag - rupture - vendetta - shiv - van etc

i mean you wanna flag before vendetta

[limber lion]

Yeh, technically using Vendetta after rupture is sim-perfect

But it's very very minimal.

[halcyon zealot]

in an opener that’s 100% muscle memory

why not do it right

[azure flare]

Yea u just do it and kinda vibe

Comfy energy regen too

[timid talon]

IT HAPPENED

[azure flare]

Yooooo

Gzz

U fucker

But gz

[timid talon]

lmao it took like 22 PF's this season to get

[limber lion]

Sure, but it might mess you up if you get too stuck up on one single opener

Whenever you add a second target, if your first gcd gets parried etc.

it'll mess you up

[azure flare]

Any opener is fucked when ur gcd gets parried tho

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

Grats! I just got a totem myself. Got 8 PF's down, need to farm some more for that Phial :P

[azure flare]

So is life with master assassin

[timid talon]

getting parried on pull because some 🐒 can't wait is the worst feeling

[azure flare]

Some boomie

Monkeys can actually wait

:)

[scenic osprey]

dont u shadowstep just in case ?

[halcyon zealot]

hey atleast you don’t have players who don’t understand shroud isn’t a true invis and walk straight through the boss

[azure flare]

No I shroud into melee for my hommies

[halcyon zealot]

had to deal with that for like 40 minutes the other night

[azure flare]

LOL

[timid talon]

no one trusts my shroud lol i pop it EVERY pull and people still chill miles back

ONE time someone proc'd my shard and it broke and now no one trusts it

[azure flare]

I dont use the shard in m+

Fck that shit

[swift lodge]

Okay so still have a 20 second delay between flag and vendetta

[azure flare]

20 full seconds?

[swift lodge]

Should i be pulling more energy here for the flag?

yeah

20 full seconds

two casts of flag in a vendetta burst

[azure flare]

You should be prioritizing spamming finishers with flag

[swift lodge]

vendetta will be off for 20 seconds before

[azure flare]

Whats ur haste at?

[swift lodge]

585, 18%

[scenic osprey]

but for necro should save 2 sbs for ved right ?

[azure flare]

Huh should normally be fine

[compact oyster]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[glad siren]

does the sim do a perfect opener every time?

[azure flare]

Yea u can read the apl

[spice mortar]

for asn raid lego is the venthir one still good to use or is doomblade still better

[azure flare]

Check pins

Highly recommend you sim yourself tho

[spice mortar]

ah ok

just sim the legos and see what sims better

[azure flare]

For some obedience is better

For others much worse

[spice mortar]

depending on gear

[azure flare]

Yeah

[glad siren]

for me doomblade is better

[spice mortar]

ah got ya

thank ya

[timid talon]

maim and mangle has been simming higher than wps for me, not by much but enough to swap to it

[azure flare]

Yea i assume its also cus of doomblade

[timid talon]

same ilvl conduit too

[fringe matrix]

Noob question, is there a softy haste cap? been simming myself with various pieces of gear and its now recommending i enchant and socket crit into items and some items that have higher crit are prefered even if they have vers as the other stat

[timid talon]

nah, stats for us will fluctuate a ton just sim yourself and trust it

[limber lion]

Well, it starts diminishing after 30%

[swift lodge]

Anyone got a Doomblade ID i can use for sims?

[limber lion]

You can just use Top Gear

[swift lodge]

Ah thank you!

[limber lion]

And add the legendaries that way

[fringe matrix]

ive been using top gear, also 30% counting alacrity?

[limber lion]

No, Alacrity is flat %

[jovial forge]

!guide

[limber lion]

But just use top gear

[timid talon]

Rating is the only thing affected by the DR

[limber lion]

And trust whatever it says.

[timid talon]

% like lust wont be

[limber lion]

But remember to not only sim for 5min patchwork.

[timid talon]

what do you suggest simming for?

I had wondered if thats worth changing for more accurate results

[limber lion]

I mean 5min patchwork is a really good sim

But it's good to also sim for cleave and aoe and compare the results

Your single target sim might be widely different for what it is for aoe.

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion is there a sim that helps me not be bad at the game?

[winged basin]

Nah

[gusty mirage]

[winged basin]

But there is this program I’ve been looking into

[pure moth]

They categorize that as "uninstall".. sims for 0

[spice spire]

Toxic

[winged basin]

It’s called “Ask the CF’s the same question every single day until I understand” and it works 50% of the time

[gusty mirage]

is it this one?

[winged basin]

The program seems to malfunction if the information is pinned though.

CF’s bug out and everyone spams check the pins, still working on that bug

[arctic hare]

lol

[north basin]

simmed assa with 2 sylvanas daggers 246 vs me with 2 252 daggers. sylvanas set better for 18 dps only. wtf?

[plain thistle]

main hand is huge

[placid pagoda]

doomblade simming higher than OBE for ST, kinda sadge

[halcyon zealot]

ya 252 mh 246 sylv oh is the juice, just ask cev

[plain thistle]

try simming 252 main hand and sylv 246 off hand

[limber lion]

Double Sylv daggers are insane for sub though

[jolly atlas]

Where do I easiest get a high il Lashing Scar conduit?

[timid talon]

RNG with the vendor

[jolly atlas]

🤢

[timid talon]

the raid hardly drops them right now anyway so i think most of them are going to be rng from the vendor when you're rank 6

[jolly atlas]

Sounds like a re-roll is in order...

[winter vapor]

having just got deathspike, has anyone used it at all since launch?

[north basin]

anyway i expected sylvana 246 to outperform by a good margin regular 252 dagger. zz

even in mh

[scenic osprey]

thats first week mythic raid

im wondering why arms

[fringe matrix]

enhance shaman 2 good

and almost all fights got some cleave

[manic haven]

Rallying cry is the best DPS raid cool down now also

[verbal knot]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[timid talon]

bring back smokebomb

mop rogue was probably my favorite

[iron heath]

yo what talents for torg 11?

[scenic osprey]

mythic raid

lol

OL died less than tank

this is SOD lol

[placid pagoda]

why would doom sim higher than OBE for me? My gear?

[scenic osprey]

math

[balmy condor]

Probably because doom sims higher

[main hearth]

Crafting OBE and it being such a let down. I thought it was going to be stronger than it is.

[placid pagoda]

Ye agreed

[fallen arch]

Burn

Come back necro

[placid pagoda]

Doomblade feels so much stronger

is tempting no lile

[fallen arch]

It’s great here

[placid pagoda]

SBS is nice as fuck

[strange python]

Doom is the best IMO

[fallen arch]

Oh man slapping all those bone spikes on adds at Dormazain feels so good

[teal bloom]

[timid talon]

I think im gonna make a 2nd rogue for necro

it seems fun

[fallen arch]

Or just, you know, swap

[timid talon]

never

[spice spire]

Shun the nonbelievers

[worthy moon]

Could anyone who has one give the the raidbots string for 235 Obedience and 235 Doomblade?

On cloak

DOn't have either crafted atm and want to do some sim tests

[halcyon zealot]

you can add legendaries of any ilvl and stat combo on topgear

top of the page

[worthy moon]

Right but I can't sim top-gear or droptimiser with it

[plain thistle]

you can

[worthy moon]

Hmm, how?

[plain thistle]

the picture is from top gear

and for droptimiser you can sim top gear first, and copy the line where 235 obe and 235 doom is

[worthy moon]

Err I meant

Gear compare/droptimiser

Okies, I'll checkl

[prisma cypress]

is it assumed that MfD is always the best in m+

[balmy condor]

Not really

[scenic root]

For assassination, mfd is bad

[balmy condor]

Those talents aren’t on the same row

[gusty mirage]

ngl he got me to open up the talents

cause I started second guessing myself

[scenic root]

I dumb

[spice spire]

We all have our moments

[marble barn]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[scenic root]

I think I was going for explaining mfd doesn't synergy well with subterfuge, and vigor let's you get the 3 garrotes out easier

[short wind]

For some reason i cant get "Cevarion Rogue Plater Profile" WA to work, it just says error decompressing. Anyone know how to fix? i do have plater installed

[slender berry]

id like to thank my parents , this discord , but mainly the busted unholy shard set bonus for this
https://i.imgur.com/js7o1lJ.png

[spice spire]

Huge

[slender berry]

but seriously once everyone has the full rank 5 unholy set bonus bosses are just gonna flop over or what

[wet galleon]

Nub question. Is windfury totem a thing anymore that we should use/care about at all?

[hollow river]

I keep hearing full set rank 3 is like 1k dps

[hollow river]

Depends on your raid comp really. If you have or even want an enhancement shaman

[tidal gorge]

I'm looking forward to my guild asking what I changed when I get my 3rd socketed item, and I will be like "I just moved my legendary to the cloak"

[wet galleon]

One of my officers is enhance so yeah hes there

[hollow river]

Then the best melee should always be grouped with him

Basically

In raid frames groups

[wet galleon]

cool thanks man

[hollow river]

And I guess he drops the totem in melee

I’ve never raided with one except like once :’)

[scenic root]

Warrior's and havoc I think benefit more, but rogue isn't a horrible person to get free windfurry

[hollow river]

Yeah especially when nuking a few adds

What exactly does wft buff

[scenic root]

Give extra autos I think?

[wet galleon]

10% chance extra auto

[hollow river]

Rofl

Guess that still builds up tho

[wet galleon]

Yeah I realize its almost nothing. We had a wipe where boss had legit 5k hp left lol

So it got me thinking

[hollow river]

Nah it’s good

Sim yourself with and without wft

[wet galleon]

good call

[hollow river]

And sim all other melee with/without

Add all the gains up

And that’s what it’s worth

[slender berry]

theres also a pinned sheet in #wow-general

for the wft gains per specc

[hollow river]

Maybe an extra 1k dps for everyone in his group total

[limpid lava]

guys anyone has time to read my logs ?

[hollow river]

Just feel crafting

[hollow river]

Oo check that yea

[thorn crater]

I cant get the trinket off the last boss from Tazavesh to sim . I have the sack of terror at 233 and the So'leahs at 233 with speed added.

Any way to find out which is better?

[spice spire]

Sure

[spice spire]

Sim it. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot

[heavy vessel]

If I didnt get any shards from guild clear can I do LFR for another chance at shard drop?

sucks having 1 healing shard at this point

[slender berry]

you can only get 1 shard per boss max

difficulty doesnt matter

[heavy vessel]

so if tarr didnt drop in normal I could do LFR for another chance?

[slender berry]

no

one chance per is a better wording i guess

so if you full cleared on hc you cant get anymore shards

[heavy vessel]

oof. Ok. better luck next week I suppose

[hollow river]

Really that’s messed up

[slender berry]

yep some people have 7-9 shards while some have 1-2

[fallen arch]

It’s not great no

[kindred shuttle]

yo quick question what anima powers for Tarragrue mythic

[hollow river]

I guess it stops people from farming all difficulties though

[kindred shuttle]

dps ones please

[fallen arch]

But having to reclear it on 4 difficulties really would give me nightmares

[slender berry]

the ones that deal fixed amount of dmg

[kindred shuttle]

cheers

[hollow river]

You wouldn’t take the crit buff or haste buffs?

[limpid lava]

@spice spire https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/52188421 here is my logs can u tell me what is wrong with me

[fallen arch]

Why start with garrote?

Also, super slow kill. Doesn’t help parses

[spice spire]

@limpid lava on nerzhul:

• you missed one cast of flag, three vanishes.
• wasting a lot of CP

[scenic root]

A lot of CP waste, low garrote and rupture uptime

[scenic root]

I was also looking at nerzhul

[hoary fulcrum]

Question. On opener. I mut->SND->Mut->Garrote->Shiv-> Flag+Ven ->Ruputre->Vanish- Mut untill 5+, Envenom. Is there a better sequence?

[spice spire]

Seems fine tbh

The big thing I see right now, just on a pure macro look is a lot of CP waste @limpid lava this is the first thing I’d address

[fallen arch]

Check one of the guides in pins. Check for stuff like opener, cp wastage, dot uptime and pooling

[placid pagoda]

Doomblade also summing higher at 249 than obe Lego, prolly worth swapping to necro now ?

[hoary fulcrum]

Seems fine was to me, correct? XD

[waxen thunder]

I swapped necro, im just concerned starting on Painsmith ill be wanting the slightly higher ST damage

[spice spire]

Yes! So sorry!

[scenic root]

@limpid lava also you should put up SnD before using CDs on opener

[fallen arch]

It’s really insignificant, dw about it

And you can shoot bonespikes at ball, wicked

[hoary fulcrum]

No worries. Ive been blue parsing, but cant see what im doing wrong. I no the basics really well. Might list a log sometime this weekend. Hopefully people can help me

[placid pagoda]

Killed pain smith twice on HC now, can say SBS would be nice when moving etc

[limpid lava]

i think its mostly because of not having a Good UI to track CP and BUffs

[spice spire]

You should! The opener generally is not LARGELY significant.

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[limpid lava]

do u have something to suggest for me

[spice spire]

Beat you to it. I like afenar’s a bit

But @limber lion also has some really bomb visuals for his UI

[hoary fulcrum]

Actually....here is the soulrender. Please keep in mind the dps in my guild is low....so i think that largely contributes. Would love to have feedback

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hazL6JfZ7mT3wtHF#fight=8&type=damage-done&source=74

[limpid lava]

ty

[spice spire]

I know that pain. Shadow step more to help uptime is one bigger thing

[vocal sphinx]

My opener is mut ->SND->mut->garrote->Flag+Ven->rupture->mut until enough cp->shiv->vanish->envenom->mut->envenom. That way I have two MA envenom. I can be wrong but it helps having another 16k envenom ^^

[cold rampart]

is there a good build for the box of many things

[placid pagoda]

Envenom from stealth?

Vanish - env ?

[vocal sphinx]

Yeah, for the 50% crit on MA

[cold rampart]

ye master assassin

[placid pagoda]

Damn I never knew

[vocal sphinx]

I get double 16 to 19k envenom

[placid pagoda]

Will implement that coz that’s my exact opener but I was muting

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

Also @hoary fulcrum you missed some shiv casts from what I can see. And there’s an actual TON of energy wasted - 1/6 of your energy is wasted there

[main hearth]

Yeah once you have 5cp vanish then envenom. I actually macro vanish with 13 and envenom so I can get a 2nd one in in the time needed

[placid pagoda]

Have I been missing out on a lot of dps by not MA envenom?

[dim temple]

after installing wow i forget to back up the addon for the gemstone for neco lords anyone have a link ❤️

[modest glen]

how is assa vs sub for pure ST dps now?

[main hearth]

Depends assa for sustained ST, sub for burst ST

[modest glen]

i am thinking of just going necro and sticking with assa for raid and sub for m+

bone spikes too good

[spice spire]

#assassination message

There you go king

[main hearth]

Yeah I was contemplating but then right when I switch they’re gonna nerf spikes

[modest glen]

they are? or you just think they are

[main hearth]

I don’t know it would be my luck tho

[spice spire]

He thinks they are, mike seems to follow Murphy’s law 😛

[modest glen]

haha well, thats how its been the whole expansion i feel

[main hearth]

I think if you’re gonna play sin/sub vent but will still be better.

[spice spire]

That’s true

[hoary fulcrum]

Can you elaborate on the energy wasted? Is it possible due to me having to run chains and the coordination being awful?

[modest glen]

i just like bone spikes more as an ability so thinking i will just stop caring about a few dps loss here and there

[spice spire]

Uh sure let me pull it back up!

[modest glen]

and it changes all the time so

but you are right, necro sub feels abit weird

[hoary fulcrum]

I'll list something cleaner over the weekend. That fight was hectic. Kinda a bad example. But I'd still wanna see what you think

[hoary fulcrum]

Also you're right. I have been doing your version lately. I think typing it out i messed it up. I always vanish at full to get the envenoms in

[spice spire]

So I’m on mobile, so I can’t view it with mechanics, but if you follow the graph you have a pretty consistent spike where your energy goes above 150 which is overcapping with energy quite a bit

And it could be in coordination or a million things, it’s a bit harder to elaborate on mobile though 😛

[hoary fulcrum]

is it expected to be a bit above during opener? I will work on getting the other times down. How do I filter for that?!

Found the filter. This is gonna help me so much

[spice spire]

Glad

It may, but shouldn’t

[pure moth]

How do you filter that?

[scenic root]

The energy? It's in resources. You can look at energy and CP there

When people ask for log review that's like first thing I check after rupture and garrote uptime lol

[pure moth]

Oh i know that's there. Guess i never paid attn to graph on top. Always went straight to the numbers. Having another visual just shows timestamps of where the problems are

[scenic root]

Yep. Mobile also doesn't always show the graph very well

[pure moth]

Yea i usually look on mobile quite a bit

So numbers were just easier

[night leaf]

I see new numbers here https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T27_Raid.html

do we have updated rogue sims (like pinned posts with comparisons)?

[grim sable]

15 runs of pf later

[winged basin]

Just get it maxed outta the vault 4head

[grim sable]

i'll probably get one next week

[limber lion]

Grats :)

[grim sable]

gonna hold off on upgrading this one

[cold rampart]

anima for dungs?

[empty tangle]

is obedience assa good in m+ or should i go sub

[slow marsh]

Go MA sin with NS and MfD

[limber lion]

You should go sub if you really want to play Obedience.

Sub is better in m+ anyways

[flat osprey]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[forest shoal]

the mailman's bag trinket sims really high, seems odd being mastery

[odd hazel]

im playing sin currently in M+ with obedience and its nice

[ebon bramble]

sin can honestly keep up now. its really strong in almost all situations other than...burst aoe lol

[teal mountain]

guys this week in mm , Katar or Steel ?

[visual prairie]

true, and who needs burst aoe in dungeons

[opaque karma]

I've done 20 + n no phial :(

[azure bronze]

do you still run subterfuge in M+ with Obedience ? Or do you run MA instead?

[empty tangle]

^^ the sims show subterfuge

[ebon bramble]

i mean sometimes you do need em but in higher keys, enemies live long enough for you to do insane DPS to them which is great

[short wind]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[gentle badge]

how does one aoe as sin?

do i just fan and continue ST?

[odd hazel]

open with x4 garrotes, SnD, Fan of knives to get poisons spread, keep CT up. and spread ruptures

and refresh SnD with evenom

[pale fossil]

Basically that, yeah. You just get as many bleeds up on as many targets as you can without letting SnD drop.

[gentle badge]

remind me again what CT is?

[pale fossil]

Crimson Tempest

[odd hazel]

crimson tempest

[pale fossil]

You should be talenting into it for AoE

[gentle badge]

oh gotcha

havent tried it in m+

so im just raid talents

so i run Subterfuge over MA and CT over PB

[odd hazel]

EP/Sub/Vigor/Ct

[gentle badge]

oh yeah that makes alot more sense

Ty for the assistance!

[vagrant bison]

is it bad?

[gusty mirage]

is what bad

[winter kernel]

Sigh I hate how similar my stats look

[vagrant bison]

the 51% mastery

[gusty mirage]

I mean if that's what topgear says is your best set up of gear

sure

[vagrant bison]

nono

its just the best gear i have now

[gusty mirage]

hence why I said "if that's what top gear says is your best set up of gear, sure"

[stone gate]

Does assassin have the dmg that sub has? Im lvl 51 rn playing sub and I really like the damage I deal, I havent tried asasssin yet and idk if its worth trying it or not

[plucky epoch]

tazavesh talents the same as the regular m+ ones?

[scenic root]

You could buy tomes and switch for trash and bosses. Doesn't lock talents. Could run outlaw for trash and sin for bosses

[limber lion]

Yes

But yeh, Garn is right

I would honestly probably switch for trash/bosses especially if the group is undergeared.

[rocky sluice]

Hey all

[scenic root]

There is AH and mailboxs there to help if you forget anything

[rocky sluice]

Deeper strat/blindside vs vigor/elaborate planning?

for raid I mean

I also noticed some fights some sin rogues use crimson tempest

[crimson crest]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[rocky sluice]

I know they’re guides but talking to other rogues is nice too

[limber lion]

EP/Vig for most bosses is honestly fine.

It's more burst, feels better to play for most players and pulls ahead on multiple targets.

DS/BS only pretty much wins in single target.

[rocky sluice]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking too, makes sense!

[idle star]

Im 225 ilvl and my logs are trash. I was pulling 90's last xpack now im 20's... idk what is happening

[slow marsh]

More people are playing well

225 ilvl is pretty low now

I've gotten next to no gear and I'm 231

Also shard bonus diff is real right now

[slow marsh]

Are you still necro

[limber lion]

Yes, but switching back in 2 weeks.

[slow marsh]

Makes sense. What are you at prog-wise?

[limber lion]

Just 3/10. We're continuing on Sunday, aiming for 5/10 this week.

Just doing splits and a lot of m+ this weekend

Getting as much gear as possible

[slow marsh]

Ah I see. I am hoping to full clear heroic tonight and tomorrow. Last week we got stuck on painsmith cuz we had raid leader gone for the weekend. I really want to start mythic but not sure if my group can deal

[umbral summit]

it's week 1 of mythic progress, once more casual guilds start racking up kills your logs will probably improve. also - secondary stat balance/trinkets/shards matter a lot, I've seen Rogues with nearly 10 ilvls less than me simming more, and Rogues the same ilvl simming nearly 1k DPS more because of gear. just concentrate on keeping your bleed uptime as close to 100% as possible using pandemic windows, line your Vendetta up with lust and you'll be fine.

[west geode]

does vanish reset Shard of Cor?

[sullen garden]

I've been Outlaw for all of BfA and Slands but switched to Sin for Painsmith and Guardian this week - can someone help offer tips on how to improve? Here are kill logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tpzcGfQwCvqHMm9K/#fight=16&type=damage-done&source=16

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tpzcGfQwCvqHMm9K/#fight=31&type=damage-done&source=16

[wanton creek]

Crit/haste on db cloak?

Or crit/vers

[stone gate]

Should I use evenom or rupture first

[winged basin]

crit haste

only think you would consider putting crit vers on is Obedience for potential sub alting

[kind talon]

id like to know this too

bump

[velvet falcon]

we did it boys 3 unholy set https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/88sLQDjEpYv7efJJCjV2Hw

[kind talon]

holy

[velvet falcon]

now need sylv dagger

[limber lion]

Grats, giga

[vestal wren]

good luck

[pseudo hamlet]

So Haste/Crit on the Obedience also if I don't want to switch to sub?
Or there's some kind of Haste treshold on the gear that are in the sims?

[visual prairie]

can you test how much the 3 set would boost you with gear compare?

[velvet falcon]

i dropped 2 ilvl to eq domination items

and got like 900 from set

[visual prairie]

so well over 10%?

jesus

[timid talon]

should be doable with the nerfs, my guild just wants 4/10m this week but i could see us doing 5/10 if we get more 3pc bonuses in heroic

[limber lion]

We're definitely killing 5, no doubt about it.

But for how long we want to prog Paintsmith for, that's a different thing

[timid talon]

i think most guilds who get there will have the gear, its just a matter of focus to kill it

[idle star]

Painsmith heroic down in 11 pulls last night. Was easier than we thought

[limber lion]

Yeh, it's definitely a lot easier with the new timings.

[strange silo]

Hey just saw the guardian trinket is trinket number one now how? it sims on 239 around 80 dps higher then 233 sack of ticking terror

[half moat]

are we back to "you got shards (corruption) and I havn't gotten any so you beat me on every fight." logs again?

[limber lion]

Yeh, it's pretty good.

[timid talon]

its VERY good

i hit like 25k burst windows with it and potion/cds

[strange silo]

jesus xd but 80 dps increase doesnt sound that much? are sims wonky as sin or did i fck up xd

[limber lion]

wut

80 dps is insane

it's so much

[plucky epoch]

eternal stats or skirmish for chest enchant?

[limber lion]

Skirmish

[plucky epoch]

ty

[strange silo]

rly? maybe im just blinded by the 1,3k increase if unholy max set..xd

[pale fossil]

Yes

[plucky epoch]

is there a particular haste % breakpoint i should aim for in stats before using deeper strat or is it mostly a preference thing

[slow marsh]

Sim

But also it's preference

[pale fossil]

Question. I know we don't send CT in ST in our Shiv windows, but if you're pooling energy right before a Shiv and you have no CT up, do you send the CT and then send the Shiv will low energy?

Or do you pool for Shiv and then just CT after the window?

[strange python]

hey guys

Do we have a softcap or a target perecentage for Haste and Crit? 17% haste and 30%+ crit or?

[kind talon]

You pool for envenom not shiv, so you’d have like 90 energy, shiv about to come up, and enough combo points for a finisher, is the most realistic situation

In that case, you would finish CT and slam shiv off cd

[strange silo]

Why does draven sim 50dps higher then theotar in 5 target 3min fight? or is it fine to play draven in keys?

[shut leaf]

Guys can you answer me why I sim higher ST on Sub then Sin? but when I play I do more dmg as Sin then Sub

[visual prairie]

sin is easier. you are better at sin.. many reasons

[amber stream]

for pure ST, NL will be better than Ven?

[austere epoch]

So do I go crit/haste or vers/crit on obedience back?

[still elm]

sim yourself

[hollow river]

Not usually no.

Check the pins.

And raidbots.com

[misty holly]

How much dps did the set bonus add?

[steel geyser]

it added me 400dps

[pale fossil]

Yeah, that's the situation I'm talking about.

[wind totem]

Any idea why obedience is simming -105 dps?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qzSjgveLat5x3z6zxmBHzK

[azure bronze]

Cause doomblade is better?

[wind totem]

And yet in the pins they are about equal.

Hence my question.

[azure bronze]

50-60 dps behind in optimal max ilvl gear yes

[wind totem]

And here goes my question again. Any idea why?

What changes that makes the gap smaller?

or in my case bigger

[azure bronze]

Raid gear has way more crit so you can easier gain the stacks of flag needed to get it to a lower cd due to more cp generation . Not sure how much crit you are running?

[cedar lagoon]

which stats do u think is best for sin st @azure bronze i mean i know crit haste is bis but how much crit or haste

[limber lion]

Everything matters. Stats, trinkets, main hand, off-hand, ilvl etc.

It's not as simple as "because you have 37 more crit"

[limber lion]

There is no magic number, you have to sim yourself.

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[strange python]

how far behind venthyr is kyrian for sin

[limber lion]

Quite a bit honestly.

But if you're not a CE raider or pushing for high m+ score, then it doesn't really matter.

If you enjoy it, just stick to it.

[strange python]

well echoing reprimand just does not feel fun to use on sin so thats the main reason

didnt know if it was worth farming the renown

[limber lion]

If you hate Kyrian

Then why do you play it?

[strange python]

Oh, I like Kyrian on outlaw but not sin

and I swap between them

[limber lion]

Ah okay, fair enough

[buoyant schooner]

zoldyck is the go to for M+ if i´m not vent correct?

[limber lion]

Correct.

[pale fossil]

But yes

[buoyant schooner]

thanks, I saw zolcdyck=MA

so wanted to confirm

I´m not a big fan of MA

[limber lion]

It depends on your character, you should sim it.

But if you don't like MA, just stick to Zoldy.

[buoyant schooner]

ok, I´ll try it

[limber lion]

Zoldyck is much easier and usually more versatile to play.

[strange python]

actuall I think Im gonna do it lmao I just simmed nadija compared to mikanikos for my gear

[limber lion]

Yup, it's quite a bit. :P

Venth is also the best for Sub if you're ever interested in that.

[oak sky]

But didnt you go back to necro

[limber lion]

Yes, I'm Necro

[pale fossil]

My man

[limber lion]

I pump in m+ a lot harder as a necro

So farming these dungeons gets a lot easier.

[oak sky]

Cev going back to necro:

[limber lion]

I might change back to Venth in a few weeks

[obsidian socket]

Farming dungeons? Lol just run pf once and get your phial xd

[limber lion]

But we'll see.

kek

[hollow river]

Cev gonna join subtlety master race? Pog

[sand sigil]

its so annoying to play some of these mythic bosses w/o necro

so many good early bosses for necro

[limber lion]

Yeh, but it gets frustrating when nothing resets SBS

Like the orbs on Remnant or the P2 adds on Sylvanas or anything on KT.

[sour wraith]

Orbs make sense though since they don't technically die, even if it does suck

[limber lion]

but sbs resets on

painsmith balls

Where's the correlation?

The metal balls definitely don't die.

[sour wraith]

But they despawn immediately on reaching 1 hp, where the orbs just become interactable and technically immune, since no dots still tick on them, so I think they just remove the dots rather then being considered as dying

That's speculation though on how it's coded

[steel geyser]

same for rupture on remnant

im proging remnant mm right now, i get no energy back from rupture

[azure bronze]

For some reason the sim from whispyrs excel sheet now shows obedience as best on ST https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2TduJvNTf3iQWZRMMb2BzZ

[timid talon]

its using the pre nerf obedience profile i believe

it was bugged this week

[azure bronze]

Should've been fixed and these sims are from after nerf obedience

doomblade is also simming lower then the sims in the pins

[winter vapor]

god awful parses on everything except painsmith, lord knows why as I was too busy avoiding shit...

[tepid needle]

what do you guys think is a good amount of baseline haste to have for sanctum

[timid talon]

I've seen so many people ask about haste today, did someone say something about it on a stream? The only answer is to sim yourself and equip what makes your damage go up

[odd hazel]

Theres no "right"

some people here had 13% haste last tier

some had 23%

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rugged saddle]

Yo is there a way to sim a so'leah secret tech trinket /w dif stats

[wise fiber]

can you keep farming the domination gems or once you kill a boss you cant have more drops?

[limber lion]

It's once per boss.

[limber lion]

More than 0%

[wise fiber]

so you need to wait for the week reset?

[limber lion]

Yes

[wise fiber]

ty

[teal mountain]

on sylvanas i take CT ?

[limber lion]

Nah

[teal mountain]

kk

[empty tangle]

whats the best way to farm a good lashing scars conduit

[wise fiber]

would like to know this too.

[thorny pond]

Treasure and adamant vaults

[wise fiber]

what do you mean by treasure

[thick wagon]

Does Serrated Bone Spike's bleed count towards Doomblade's bleed bonus?

[limber lion]

Yes it does.

[torn atlas]

Is Ada Vaults spammable? Ran it last night and got a conduit and toy and felt a fair bit underwhelmed.

[timid talon]

once a week

[torn atlas]

Bleh

[weak crescent]

for single target damage what should i go for with my stats ?

[torn atlas]

Least I don't feel the need to bother with it again

[thorny pond]

Sim yourself

[raven vapor]

do we have a guide on switching cov and farming renown as fast as we can?

[weak crescent]

i should haha

[covert stratus]

I'm sure this has been asked a million times, so sorry in advance. Do we hold either vendetta or flag to line it up with the other?

unless missing a cast

I'm looking at the simcraft sample profile and it's holding vendetta for about 20 secs to line it up

[north pecan]

As long as it doesn't sacrifice another cast of flag on the fight

[plush ferry]

so if fight is 5 min long you will get 3 vendetta casts and 4 flag casts (without obedience). You can hold vendeta till 4:30 to line it up with last flag, since you won't miss a cast. You always prioritise max casts

[covert stratus]

should've specified it's with Obedience

say I have Flag ready to go, but vendetta is coming up in 20

what do

[limber lion]

slam flag

and use vend when it comes up

the same rules apply

with or without obedience

[covert stratus]

cd on cd got it

[torn atlas]

Just send it.

[covert stratus]

thank you wise men

[plush ferry]

only thing obedience changes is it's kinda rng (hard to cap on sin) and you will have a hard time figuring out if you will miss casts on the fly by waiting each time, so just slam it

[stark anchor]

sim APL is syncing them rn tho?

[limber lion]

it follows the same rules.

[maiden plaza]

Any rogues swap to ven for obedience? If so has it been worth it for you?

[limber lion]

It syncs, if the fight length allows for it.

[stark anchor]

yeah you sync the two unless you lose a cast, thought people above were saying to just spam both on cd without syncing. if not mb I can't read

[civic yoke]

Has there been any talk about blizz "fixing" Shard of Zed? Cause currently it procs on yourself from entering stealth, and also shrouding. Giving yourself or others a damaging aura that aggro enemies.

[indigo mulch]

@limber lion how is necro in the raid? D:

I'm so tempted to swap to necro

I hate playing venthyr 😢

[potent dagger]

Yes :)

[torn atlas]

I crafted last night and find my sims are mixed. About 100 ahead on Zold in dslice. About 100 ahead on st for Sub. DB still better ST on Sin, Finality still better on dslicd for Sub.
You can always just sim yourself before crafting though.

At the very least it somewhat makes Flag more interesting to play. Still not sold on if I want to stay Venth for it or not.

[maiden plaza]

Yeah I just look at logs and a lot of top are still necro. I play a lot of M+ outlaw and being ven outlaw in m+.. idk how that would feel or play out

Basically trying to convince myself to not swap from necro to ven lol I raid as sin so that’s my prio but the renown grind is not something I look forward to

[brittle pebble]

I’m switching to rogue as my main and just grind to 44 renown in a couple of days. Just a time sink unfortunately

[torn atlas]

Yeah it's a bit trickier to balance which cov you want to play than it was for 9.0/5 as you sacrifice/gain more in certain areas with each cov now. Still seems within reason to run what you prefer tho. If your cov is gonna make you hate playing rogue (hello kyrian), don't switch.

[forest gate]

If you go hard you can hit 44 renown in under a day played.

1 day 30min of played time is what it took me to hit 48 renown.

[brittle pebble]

Yeah the catchup is good a cov story missions often given 2 levels.

Plus with the added maw stuff, more levels are available

[forest gate]

Catch up is insanely fast. Only downfall is farming soul ash unless you have a lot on a main you can swap over.

[brittle pebble]

Yeah that’s what I’m about to do to craft obedience

[solid venture]

necro gud. fuck vampires

[forest gate]

Does crafting Obedience make you focus on more vers?

[real pewter]

I for the life of me can't find any guides on PvP talents or talents to take for PvP

The WoWhead rogue guide literally links to a dead page

[humble valley]

Is Sylvanas dagger still only working for the first rogue in the group to apply the debuff?

[shy dust]

no

[humble valley]

Sweet!

[oak sky]

limit playing rogue

[strange python]

Does anyone know the difference between nightly and weekly in raidbots?

[void pecan]

Sub rogue.

[timid pond]

Sorry, late to the party. Is Doomblade still performing better than Obed for assas pure single?

[red plaza]

[plain thistle]

one is updated weekly and the other daily, always use daily

[noble aspen]

hey guys im necro, should i use sharpneing stone or oil?

[outer lodge]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[pale plank]

on pins dps sim, what does dungeonslice mean?

multi target?

[plain jewel]

so is unholy set BiS for venthyr rogues?

[plain thistle]

unholy is bis for rogues

venthyr, necro, nf or kyrian

[plain jewel]

cool cool ty

[timid talon]

unholy is bis for almost everyone of all classes and roles lmao

[manic minnow]

Can sylv dagger drop from vault, without actually killing sylv ?