assassination

[willow eagle]

!bis

Ye it's gone

[crystal blaze]

fuck

my guild want me to write one

and i'm lost

[warped umbra]

Should be easy enough, pick all domination socket slots add legendary and you have crossed out a lot of your gear already

[slim wagon]

tell them there isn't one. If anyone insists bring him here to have people laugh at him/her ^^ (i'm just kidding)

[willow eagle]

I think some items are definitely bis tho

Like sylvanas dagger

No contest bis

[gusty breach]

what about raid gear with haste on sin?

[mortal patrol]

pmuch anything that drops from KT/sylv

because of ilvl

[oak sky]

Easy bis is highest ilvl stuff, sylvanas dagger, legos, dom sockets, jewels with good stats

But like sim yourself

[gusty mirage]

Just link them to droptimizer on raidbots

Easiest bis list of your life

[gusty breach]

i assume best gear, is mythic gear(ilvl wise anyway)

unless pvp

[crystal blaze]

we'll use obedience on back right ?

Only for mythic raiding

Not talking about other content

[gusty breach]

is it not better in m+ as well?

[oak sky]

Yeah it is

[gusty breach]

over zoldick apparently

[oak sky]

Sims are right up 👉👆 there

Some people worked hard on them and probably like when they get used 😄

[hollow river]

feel like if they got rid of faction

game would actually be better at this point

[oak sky]

I mean

Factions are fine to exist

Separate questlines and stuff seems totally fine to me

Races

[gusty breach]

thing of the past, get with the times old man

[oak sky]

Etc.

Im 19

[gusty breach]

i'm 31, sorry for misaging you

[oak sky]

LMAK

Lmao

[gusty breach]

[neon cloak]

When woltk came out u were like 9 years old

🌝

[oak sky]

Factions without restrictions seems great to me

Factions arent a bad system

Its just

[gusty breach]

at this point, we always fight evil together, so whats the point

[oak sky]

Limiting everything based on them

In 2021

[neon cloak]

They will do it when the game is about to die

[oak sky]

Like what if in overwatch only good guys could fight together

[gusty breach]

never played that game

was it any good?

[oak sky]

I dont

But i played the shit out of it in 2017

Very fun

[hollow river]

i played in wotlk

[oak sky]

Until the introduction of brigitte

[hollow river]

i was like 13

or 15

[gusty breach]

they promised ow2, with pve content, i was interested, but it never happened

[hollow river]

something

[oak sky]

Its coming sometime

That game isnt meant for pve

Tbh

Im sure itll be fine

[gusty breach]

i had the same feeling about LoL or Dota2, but both games had pretty good pve maps, briefly, but pretty good

[neon cloak]

Remember when people were hyped about game project titans

[gusty breach]

dota2 had the maze, LoL had the odesy thingy

[neon cloak]

It appeared to be overwatch

[neon cloak]

People thought it will be mmo game

[gusty breach]

completly pvp games, both having successful pve content, kinda good proof of concept

[oak sky]

I was a pretty decent ow player, but like i think a pve campaign would be fun until you remembered you can use the same character against other players

[gusty breach]

i mean, did you ever play battleborn?

i spammed that game

but blizz killed it, with beta release on the same day the game got released

ow beta release

[oak sky]

I played like nintendo until i played overwatch

Its kinda what got me into pc multiplayer

Then my league addiction

[gusty breach]

battleborn is like ow, but it has a nice campaign, boss fights, like....

sadly the game is dead, u cant buy it, people who did can still use it till w.e. date

[rigid pine]

Siltbreaker back in 2017 was better than Dota itself, I wish they continued it

[oak sky]

I see

[gusty breach]

pretty sure any person that raids, would appreciate the game

[oak sky]

The thing about those pve modes is they were temporary

This overwatch pve is supposed to be a big permanent addition

That makes me think its gonna fizzle out

[gusty breach]

ye, i was thinking its kinda hard to have a separate game, cuz splitting the playerbase

but look with classic

literary splitting the playerbase

😄

[oak sky]

Its kinda similar to wow pvp for me, like if i want to pvp ill play a game designed for pvp

Like valorant or league, or even back to overwatch

[gusty breach]

i had those arguments with people, i 100% agree

wow pvp to me seems asinine

[oak sky]

I mean

I dont mind it

Its fun

But its not why i play wkw

Wow

[gusty breach]

i mean, its cool to one-shot, but thats the extent of a my skill in that mode, got 1600 back in nyalotha for conflict and strife lvl 3

thats about it

also the spider mount this season, i didnt get it

[oak sky]

I didnt get anything in pvp

I played some skirms

It was fun until gear got too good

Then the barrier of entry got too high

[umbral rapids]

Yes. I don’t get it.

[oak sky]

I mean i get it, i just see so many better pvp games out there

[rigid pine]

I personally play Dota and Valorant and other pvp only games too but the thing I love about WoW is the combat and PvP has that just in different ways than PvE so it keeps things fresh for me

[oak sky]

Totally cool

[rigid pine]

The rewards don't hurt either

[oak sky]

Yeah no kidding

I dont really play ranked in pvp games

Kinda need friends at the same skill level for it to be fun

For me anyways

[limber lion]

I love me some action in #assassination but let's move the off-topic talk to #off-topic or #wow-general :')

[oak sky]

Ok

[kind talon]

uh

how tf r u simming this high

It’s literally 2k dps higher than my sim

And I simmed with potency conduit

[limber lion]

It's a fake sim my boy

[kind talon]

I’m literally shaking rn

[oak sky]

He was just clowning around

[kind talon]

What about this one

Has to be real

[limber lion]

Yeah, that's real

[kind talon]

How tf did u do it

[oak sky]

Mad?

[kind talon]

Thats like

5 dps higher than my sim

I’m literally shaking rn

Last I remember you were swimming at 7k?

[iron orchid]

the int enchant on bracers does it all

[kind talon]

True

[limber lion]

I sim around 7.2k

[hollow river]

don't lie to them cevie

[oak sky]

Int enchant

[hollow river]

the sim knows Cev plays every gcd properly

therefor 2k dps higher

[oak sky]

Last i heard cev was the apl

[hollow river]

bro

the apl wished they could be cev

[oak sky]

Cev bleeding targets out

[hollow river]

garroting 6 in aoe

no vanish

[oak sky]

My eyes are widened

My cheeks are clenched

My knuckles are white

[hollow river]

[empty ravine]

i dont really understand how you can compare LoL and WoW as being anything like pvp vs pve

[hollow river]

i have goosebumps

[empty ravine]

wow pvp isnt anything like playing LoL

wow is and mmorpg and lol is a freaking moba

[iron orchid]

As previously said by Cev, this kind of talk is to be moved to #off-topic ^^

[empty ravine]

fine

[oak sky]

Am i coming with you

Back to off topic

[north basin]

So again we wont be able to catch our sims ingame coz ench shaman extinct?) Like minus 400 dps from sims?

[shadow tusk]

U Can sim without the buff

Also are the sylv daggers supported in droptimizer?

[dim zealot]

Zoldyck will be decent if raid, i'm from the necro resistance

[hollow river]

[gusty breach]

is that a question, or an ultimatum ?

[dim zealot]

Question about the raid XD

[azure bronze]

Most likely not

It's either doomblade or obedience

[fossil eagle]

hi all noob question but what is the new back called for doomblade?

base lego\

[crystal blaze]

Can fully geared rogues link some patchwerk sims please ?
I think i'm a bit low
for a 229 rogue

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dxXGGzpNck72VCmJcHv5m8

[hollow river]

you

are not low @crystal blaze

[crystal blaze]

Ok, i'm tripping

[fossil eagle]

lol

[slow tulip]

its fine, i sim 7050 with necro assa 227 il

[crystal blaze]

thought i'll hit 7.2

but i guess it's only sp shit

[warped umbra]

Grim-Veiled Cape

[fossil eagle]

ty @warped umbra

[hollow river]

226 dagger

reckless

another 233 and maybe you hit 7.2

[crystal blaze]

yup, last night was my last dena kill but still no second 233 dagger

maybe in vault wednesday

[vale marten]

you are about a 100 dps from the top top

in sim

[crystal blaze]

ok nice

[limber lion]

That is quite low tbh

[fossil eagle]

@warped umbra worth it yet or wait

[limber lion]

The top sim is 7.4k

Not sure what these guys are on about.

Have you tried simming with an IQD?

[vale marten]

7.4?

where can i see that

[warped umbra]

What do you mean?

[crystal blaze]

IQD ?

[hollow river]

DoS trinket

[crystal blaze]

oh yes

nah never got it

guess i needed second 233 dagger, socket on dena ring and IQD to hit those big numbers

[fossil eagle]

@warped umbra should i make the new cape since i have a ton of soul ash or wait,,,i think it is ok

[limber lion]

Yeah well to be honest, 7.2k is probably up there currently with the poison bug.

I forgot that it was implemented in the apl as well.

It was around 7.4k a week ago.

[azure bronze]

what deadly poison bug ;o?

[limber lion]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[azure bronze]

lol

[hollow river]

"these guys"

[shut garnet]

have they fixed the dagger bug w having 2 rogues hitting the same boss shit

[hollow river]

[warped umbra]

Depends on your gear you have: If you have r4 leggo already, don't craft now, wait until you can get rank 5 and craft directly; if you don't have r4 leggo right now craft on cloak now

[azure bronze]

are we now the most bugged class next to ww monks ?

[limber lion]

Yes

[shut garnet]

god bless

[limber lion]

[hollow river]

never said anything about top sim just what might get him to his goal

[modest apex]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[fossil eagle]

@warped umbra i have r4 hands just needed to bounce it of other peeps..i was thinking no just needed to make sure, thanks fried

friens

[warped umbra]

To clarify, it makes only sense to recraft extisting r4 leggos, if you have better gear (domination sockets) on that very gear slot available

[fossil eagle]

@warped umbra yup yup totally agree thanks....sometimes you just need to hear it.

thanks

[rigid pine]

Enh shaman has lots of bugs too

My friend can't stop crying about it

[zenith berry]

Hello guys, i see the simulations on the new venth lego, just interested in your opinions what would be the best for overall raiding. currently have zoldyck, but thinking about picking up either doom or the venthyr one, any experiences with them would be appreciated!

[gusty breach]

your friend is playing elem, and crying ? lol wat

[rigid pine]

He's playing enhancement

[gusty breach]

oh

different story

[lapis bane]

wait wtf ppl sim 11k? I'm simming 6.2 as assa (without legendary)

[gusty breach]

that lovely totem

windfury

[rigid pine]

[gusty breach]

the 11k is probably bis gear or something

new raid bis gear

[lapis bane]

yea I figured just had a mini stroke when I saw it and wrote before I thought 😄

[gusty breach]

i mean, i would not put is past me to score that low in comparison to big boys when mythic raid is out

[forest delta]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[limber lion]

Currently no one sims 11k. But yes, with full mythic gear and bis setup you'll get to around 11k.

Likely we'll see nerfs to things like the daggers

so 11k might just be a dream.

[compact sinew]

Let the oppressed dream

[south belfry]

Is it worth pooling energy for shiv

[neon cloak]

Please bliz sleep on this

[silent fossil]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/AwUbzxuZc8DQUy95jkzfs

i was geared for necro though and i don’t have an iqd

[slender berry]

wft sims

[silent fossil]

default brother like 99.8% of everyones sims

i only changed using 2x weapon stone and agi pot in mine because i don’t like pf

[stark heart]

wait, why it has to apply on garrote and rupture?

[slender berry]

because they count as striking thy enemey

atleast they used to and should

[stark heart]

you don't do any damage upfront, you just apply debuff, how is that "striking"

[slender berry]

how do you apply bleeds ? with your fingers or your weapon ?

[strange python]

Hey guys

Would you guys say that phial of putrefaction and Flayedwing toxin is a good combination going into 9.1 raid and m+, I managed to get both up to max rank but also got the sin trinket

[stark heart]

you apply bleed but it doesn't do anything immediately

[slender berry]

so ? deadly poison doesnt say anything about proccing on dmg dealt

you literally ram your weapon into the enemy

that is the definition of a strike

[stark heart]

tooltips rarely say "I proc on damage"

[vernal tapir]

Haste & Verse Missives for cloak yeah?

[slender berry]

yea and they always work with garrote and rupture tho

[lapis bane]

I'm venthyr and I wanna raid as assa on wednesday, I dont have any legendary though and as I see it I will want to craft obedience, however I cant do that on wednesday, what would you guys do?

[slender berry]

for example garrote applys plaguefall trinket

[stark heart]

I don't remember them working with bleeds tbh so I am confused as to why they are cited as bugs

poison worked on upfront damage iirc

[slender berry]

the bleeds dont apply the posion but the ability should

it never had anything to do with actualy dealing dmg

numbing poison for example still works with garrote and rupture

so does almost anything else that applies on hit

[stark heart]

[stark heart]

I haven't looked into that for a while but I was pretty damn sure dot applications didn't proc any poison. TIL

[slender berry]

yea i never even thought about that stuff before hearing about the bug

[odd hazel]

Crit/haste

[odd hazel]

Make doom at the lowest you can on cloak. Then save up for obedience

[limber lion]

Correct. I was under the assumption that it only proc'd from melee hits that happen during Garrote, and not from the actual garrote.

[slender berry]

i would do crit/vers on cloak because those stats are still good for assa and alot better for the other 2 speccs (assuming youre talking about obedience)

[limber lion]

But

[odd hazel]

He didn’t specify if he was playing the other ones but yeah crit/vers if you ever plan on playing sub

[limber lion]

Maybe Whispyr and Koji know more about it

[odd hazel]

Hi cev

[slender berry]

with my current gear crit / vers is even simming highest for assa

[odd hazel]

I can’t seem to edge vers above my haste

[slender berry]

vers is 3 dps above for me

so not really big

[odd hazel]

Yeah I think my haste is like 2 higher

But crit/haste is what we make on leggo especially if you don’t have one

[dire spoke]

hehe

oh wrong channel

[arctic hare]

Still nice

[dire spoke]

well w/e

[slender berry]

flexing the deeper daggers conduit on the assa bois

[dire spoke]

find it funny that a passive does more than being in a covenant

[slender berry]

well flagelattion gives 30% haste 30% vers tho you cant ignore that

[odd hazel]

And that effects the dagger

[dire spoke]

sure

[slender berry]

but yea 8,5% definitly looks stupid

[limber lion]

It'll see nerfs for sure.

But when is the question

[slender berry]

9.2 hopefully

[dire spoke]

end of heroic week is their last chance

imo

[slender berry]

so we dont use it in offhand for next tier

[dire spoke]

oh

you mean like

[limpid plinth]

@limber lion wont stop the grind tho

[limber lion]

[odd hazel]

Are the other specs using the other weapons ?

[tulip nacelle]

break to drink some water

[limpid plinth]

Lots of Juhla Mokka in veins

[south belfry]

Juhla Mokka best

My boss used to drink Saludo..

Almost quit the job for that

[warm parcel]

heresy to drink coffee

[arctic hare]

Ew, coffee😂

[gusty breach]

energy drink, or gtfo

[arctic hare]

Nope

[gusty breach]

maybe a line of coke

kappa

[quaint timber]

On average, how much cdr do u get from obedience?

[gusty breach]

macro the line + prepot

charlie sheen, tiger blood..winning

[gusty breach]

apparently close to 1 min, maybe 1:10

not sure if average

[opaque sparrow]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[amber kettle]

So I assume Obedience is getting nerfed right?

[odd hazel]

Why?

[limber lion]

Who knows.

[quaint timber]

Oh so u can fit an extra flag in between vend?

[limber lion]

Your guess is as good as ours.

[limber lion]

Sure, but you can't actually sync them together anyways

And well actually

no you can't.

You still get 1 between the first 2 vendettas

But after that you should get 2

[quaint timber]

Oh why doe

[minor wigeon]

anyone know blizz free swap up ?

or i can swap covenant now and do it for free later when they announce its up

[limber lion]

You can get your Flag to like 1min10s

Not really seeing many 30 stack Flags

[quaint timber]

so dont line them up and just use them separately?

[toxic root]

From what I read here tomorrow one time free cov swap

[minor wigeon]

@toxic root i just was near swap and my old ventyr friends didnt count me as betrayer i didn't go furter but idk i think is live already

and my idea is to swap ventyr now if its not live and swap back if needed when its live but im late i guess

[toxic root]

Up to you

[loud trench]

It’s live according to posts

[viscid spear]

Would the fights with important execute phases (i.e. Tarragrue and Kel'thuzad) favor Zoldyck or is it just Doomblade all day everyday?

[slender berry]

tarragrues execute phase really isnt important tho

and kt doesnt even have one i think?

[warm parcel]

it does

every phase has execute

[slender berry]

yea but still more phases doesnt mean better its like council isnt it?

[primal turret]

So how is the unbalance between venthyr and necro?

[umbral rapids]

yeah i assume it's most likely gonna be too short for it to matter

like ilgynoth

[warm parcel]

Doesnt matter if boss goes from 100 > 0 thrice

Or once

[umbral rapids]

idk gotta see what it looks like on HC

[slender berry]

the only real execute on KT is if you get assigned to the third single target add in the phylactery

since he starts at 33% the third time you fight him

[dense cedar]

I don't think execute phases are real

[slender berry]

i also assume even if there was a execute fight obedience might still be better

[viscid spear]

France from 1789 to 1977 would like a word with you.

[umbral rapids]

LMFAOOOOOO

[brazen rampart]

has it been determined if heroic sylv dagger beats mythic ilvl regular daggers?

[azure bronze]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[azure bronze]

check the spreadsheet near the bottom

[vestal wren]

they do

[brazen rampart]

ty

[vestal wren]

heroic is basically beating mythic ones

but even a normal one beats almost everything in offhand

[umbral rapids]

true for sub as well i suppose

probably even more?

[vestal wren]

you can use a lfr offhand

mh is similar

you want heroic+ but normal is close-ish to mythic levels (still behind)

[brazen rampart]

yeah i just checked the pins a bit better. so the dagger in offhand beats almost everything no matter the ilvl, but for mainhand ilvl does come into play to a certain degree

[vestal wren]

thats because mainhand dps are very relevant

[brazen rampart]

yeye

attacks scale off of main hand damage a lot, right?

[strange python]

[vestal wren]

most spells only use MH for their calculation

i am not sure about outlaw

because i haven't simmed their 1h vs. sylvanas

(in offhand)

[green elk]

Does Obedience increase Vers by 1% per combo point spent? The tooltip says just 1% without it increasing.

[slender berry]

yes it mirrors the haste value

[limber lion]

The tooltips are pretty awful

Not sure if they fixed it, but last time I checked it only mentioned your haste being increased, but no mention of Versatility whatsoever

when it fact it did increase your vers as well

[drifting cloud]

intern that does tooltips was fired rip

[raven jolt]

Morning. A Question. If I switch from Necro to Venthyr (30), should I be able to hit 42 in two days? What do you think?

Does anyone have experience in some similar scenario?

[slender berry]

you can even hit 1-42 in one day

[south belfry]

Depends how much you play

[slender berry]

the last 2 levels will take a bit if youve done this weekly anima and korthia quests tho

[finite heart]

i went from 28 to 42 in a weekend, started the new Q line on 38 and was pretty quick after that

playing casually

[slender berry]

probably go to 40 and do 4 levels on reset

[raven jolt]

ty for the answers!

[slender berry]

id get 41 anywhere you can then 42 from worldboss and then the last 2 from the weeklys

and maybe one more if the campaign gives one

[finite heart]

yeah the campaign gave me one that i did not get on my other char

[slender berry]

nah i meant we might get 3 renown lvls next week

and one of those is from the new campaign

[finite heart]

ah

[slender berry]

since we didnt get the real progression on ptr (and blizzard wont talk to us) we can only speculate

[swift sky]

i think the assaults are now like world bosses

they gave my dh a renown when i was 40

but also callings are a good way to finish off the last couple renown levels

rogerbrown got from 39 to 42 yesterday from 3 callings

[lusty bane]

Wish I could start out at 30 and not 0. Been contemplating swapping, just too lazy and I don’t think I’d get there before Wednesday raid.

[scarlet wigeon]

Did they ever fix the sylvanas dagger not working for multiple rogues

[balmy condor]

Yes

[slender berry]

damn just noticed wps conduit drops from tarragrue on 252 on mythic

[kind talon]

What about 252 lashing

[plain thistle]

[slender berry]

you get that in 2 months after farming korthia untill your brain melts

[slender berry]

low res

[kind talon]

Kekw

How about MAIM, MANGLE

?

[gusty breach]

boys, very stupid question i guess ,but are elites affected by our slow poison? the one that slows casting/attack speed

[kind talon]

Yes

Numbing

[gusty breach]

yap, what about boses?

[kind talon]

Yes

[gusty breach]

O_o amazin

[kind talon]

Yes

[gusty breach]

so we do bring something to the raid

[kind talon]

It’s piggers

[gusty breach]

😆

[fallen arch]

Utility pog

[kind talon]

Even more now

With shiv change

It’s actually

Pretty good

Lol

[gusty breach]

i always had it on, didnt know if it worked, but cool, thx

[kind talon]

Seems like you could even press it on other specs

For the utility

Rip ur parse tho

[balmy condor]

Numbing is super overstated as a utility

It only slows attack speed

And crippling doesn’t work on bosses obviously

So you always just took numbing

[kind talon]

Yeah but

New shiv

[arctic hare]

Can’t it unenrage as well?

[balmy condor]

Which means the shiv change is pretty much nothing for raids

[kind talon]

?

Oh

Wtf?

[arctic hare]

Actually, what has changed with shiv?

[kind talon]

It always soothers

[balmy condor]

Shiv now does the crippling slow and the de-rage from numbing regardless of your secondary poison

[kind talon]

No

[balmy condor]

Yes

[deft wagon]

Yes

[kind talon]

Just the enrage dispel?

[arctic hare]

Heckkkkkkk yeah!!!!

[kind talon]

Crippling has a stronger slow

[balmy condor]

Yes

[arctic hare]

Well yeah

[balmy condor]

And now it does both

[gusty breach]

does fan of blades only apply the slow/deadly poison in aoe? or can it apply numbing to multiple targets

[thorny pond]

Whispyr literally said that

[balmy condor]

It applies numbing

[gusty breach]

ho, ok, thx

[arctic hare]

And depending on which one you have it applies “ a stronger version of it” v

[kind talon]

I’m so confused

[arctic hare]

?

[kind talon]

Is the patch notes

Not true?

Or what

[balmy condor]

?

[arctic hare]

Oh

Hmm

OH

[kind talon]

It does 25% as casting slow and soothes

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[kind talon]

No?

[gusty breach]

so if your tank is getting molested by the boss, is there a point to take poison master just to increase numbing poison ?

[kind talon]

Does it still slow?

[balmy condor]

So before it only did that with numbing

Now it does it always

[kind talon]

In numbing?

[arctic hare]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

And it still slows

[kind talon]

Did it always slow with numbing?

[balmy condor]

I don’t think so

[arctic hare]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Either way

[arctic hare]

Or jo

[thorny pond]

no

[arctic hare]

No

No

[kind talon]

So that change isn’t in the patch notes

Or

[balmy condor]

The change is fucking useless patch note bloat

[kind talon]

Just icyveins?

Idk

[arctic hare]

Sorry, i got myself mixed up

[balmy condor]

That doesn’t have any effect

Cause it doesn’t change anything

[kind talon]

Pvp

[balmy condor]

Man fuck pvp

Who gives a shit

[kind talon]

True

[arctic hare]

So basically, since the update, based on what I’ve read, shiv applies both soothe, casting slow, and crippling slow, however, using it with either poison gives it a stronger effect

[balmy condor]

But I guess they have a slow now

[kind talon]

Meh it makes our shiv a bit stronger utility

[balmy condor]

Good for them

[kind talon]

Ye?

Or is the 25% as slow useless as fuck dogshit?

[balmy condor]

It already did that

[uncut bobcat]

how much haste dfo you kind off want?

[balmy condor]

It’s just

SLIGHTLY stronger

[gusty breach]

eh, tooltip says 15% reduce attack speed, under shiv its 25, works on bosses?

[balmy condor]

And by slightly I mean like probably like 3 autos on an entire fight

[kind talon]

Ya

[balmy condor]

So yes

[gusty breach]

we still use it on cd(or hold for 10 to light up with vendetta)

[balmy condor]

It’s better

[arctic hare]

Well i mean, if it slows casting speed by 25%, you can use that in order to slow greater fireball’s casting speed ahahahah

[kind talon]

POG

POG

LETS GO

[balmy condor]

But no, it doesn’t matter

[kind talon]

ROGUE UTILITY IS BACK BABY

[arctic hare]

Hahaha

[balmy condor]

It does

[kind talon]

I CANT BELIEVE ITS NOT SMOKEBOMB

[half tartan]

Has anybody figured out whether or not we get obedience on Mythic release tuesday or still speculation?

[gusty breach]

so...raid coldown? kappa

[kind talon]

Yes

We do @half tartan

[arctic hare]

Just wondering, what is the hype about smokebomb?

[gusty breach]

i mean

[rapid forum]

Great ability

[gusty breach]

sounds lit to hide 20 people in a small area

[rapid forum]

Damage reduction

[gusty breach]

from range attacks

like council

or .w.e

[arctic hare]

OH

[rapid forum]

Breaking line of sight can be insane

[arctic hare]

The aoe thing right? Thats really annoying to deal with in pvp?

[balmy condor]

Blizzard said twice that “rogue doesn’t have utility” and people fucking ran with It and were like OH MY GOD WE ARE GETTING SMOKE BOMB BACK THATS HUGE

[arctic hare]

<— hasn’t pvped much on my rogue

[kind talon]

No

[balmy condor]

They haven’t even said that we’re getting something for utility

[kind talon]

It used to be like darkness

[balmy condor]

They just mentioned we don’t have it

[gusty breach]

i mean, we can potentially cancel boss abilities(or reset from point 0) if we dispear in smokebomb, or the boss just resets

[kind talon]

Basically

[gusty breach]

and its a shitshow

[kind talon]

It was just a damage reduction

[balmy condor]

That’s not how that works

[kind talon]

Man

[gusty breach]

sadge

[kind talon]

Lol

[rapid forum]

It was waaaay better than darkness

[kind talon]

It was like flat 10%

Or something

[limber lion]

Ya'll are craycray

Forget about the smoke bomb

[balmy condor]

We don’t even know that we’re getting anything

[scarlet wigeon]

Thanks. Assumed so since it isn't in puns anymore but figured better safe than sorry since we have 2 rogues atm.

[balmy condor]

And you guys are on the smoke bomb copi I’m

Jesus

[kind talon]

We have 25% numbing poison on shiv now

Same thing

[opaque tree]

Is running celestial / Lightless a significant loss of single target damage compared to Celestial / Sinful?

[kind talon]

[gusty breach]

ofc we are

[balmy condor]

Yes

[white tide]

getting Thok PTSD

[kind talon]

It’s like 1-2% dps

[balmy condor]

Yea, working as intended now

[kind talon]

Loss

[steel bane]

any update on the poison bug?

[arctic hare]

So what exactly would it mean for us to get something like smokebomb back, just straight dmg reduction?

[balmy condor]

Still there

[gusty breach]

i want smokebomb to matter in raid, when i see a wall of text raid assigned coldowns and then for a rogue....just do damage at X target, i want to be part of the team...kappa

[white tide]

@arctic hare we aint get shit back ^^

[kind talon]

Fixed in maintenance?

Pb bug fixed?

Pog?

Tomorrow we rise?

[balmy condor]

It would mean that we would have a place when there’s heavy aoe that needs to get reduced similar to amz from dk I guess

[arctic hare]

Oh, cool

[gusty breach]

decent actually

i prefer the line of sight breaking, but imba i guess

[modest apex]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

Line of sight breaking would be worthless

No one would want that

[gusty breach]

i guess i dont get how shit works

[kind talon]

Lol

It would be good

[arctic hare]

Actually, maybe not

[kind talon]

Basically grip

[half tartan]

Does anybody know that if Theotar(Drops 12s pool that gives 5XX mastery) is overvalued in sims or if down time was accounted form? In other words would either of the two be better in value in practice?

[white tide]

i remember it was los breaking in siege of orgrimmar op Thok, but may be wrong

[modest apex]

where can i find a good assa guide?

[silent fossil]

u said tricks was a dps cd in patch i dont see anything in the tooltip

[kind talon]

Abom limb

[gusty breach]

ye, like the opposite version

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[arctic hare]

What about those bosses where if you break los you don’t take dmg?

[kind talon]

No the mobs would run to u

Same shit

[gusty breach]

ye

[kind talon]

Ye

[modest apex]

yeah but ravenholdt is outdated i think

[gusty breach]

so we dont grap, they run to us

[kind talon]

Opposite of abom limb would push them away pepw

[gusty breach]

😄

[balmy condor]

You guys make me so sad

[modest apex]

from march

[arctic hare]

Why?

[safe barn]

damn whispyr

[kind talon]

We are memeing him too hard rn

[arctic hare]

For instance, in nighthold, the smokebomb could completely circumvent the entirety of the los mechanic on the first boss

[kind talon]

So he’s malding

[safe barn]

800 dps difference between sub and sin?

thats huge

[balmy condor]

Name a boss that isn’t from 3 expansions ago

[arctic hare]

Hmmmmmmm

[kind talon]

Sheeeeeeesh

[arctic hare]

Crap, i know one, who was it

[gusty breach]

after the raid is done, eh i dunno

[balmy condor]

Ah see

The fact that you need to remember one

Should give you enough pause

[arctic hare]

Hahaha, too situational lol

[kind talon]

It would be very good

[safe barn]

ILLIDAN

[kind talon]

For Los pulls

Man

Pogger

Woohoo

[arctic hare]

I think it’d be far better for m+

[kind talon]

Ok I’m flying now gonna go airplane mode

[gusty breach]

council?

[arctic hare]

Good luck clown

[kind talon]

Whispyr tell me u love me

[slender berry]

azshara

[kind talon]

Before I go

Ty frosty

[arctic hare]

I’m on car home, whoot whiot

Whoot

[kind talon]

Whispyr please

I love u

Say it back

[gusty breach]

hivemind

[balmy condor]

Poy shut the fuck up homie god damn

[gusty breach]

sorry

[kind talon]

LAter

[balmy condor]

Not you

[arctic hare]

It doesn’t feel like legion was that long ago, jeez

[gusty breach]

best m+ expansion , no cap

[odd heath]

Smoke bomb los could work on SLG wicked blades

[arctic hare]

I never did m+ then, so i got no idea

[odd heath]

Can't know for sure tho

[hasty crater]

Sorry

[arctic hare]

HAHA!

[balmy condor]

[arctic hare]

Hmm, i wonder who else

[balmy condor]

Maybe I should’ve just stayed in bed

[arctic hare]

Maybe

But then you wouldn’t get any entertainment from us

[gusty breach]

i am actually waiting for a pug raid to get full, so this is my entertainment, that and people making tier lists

[hasty crater]

[odd heath]

It could also work on huntsman sinseeker

[echo geyser]

Only for few sec, the biggest QoL change is being able to soothe with crippling now

[arctic hare]

Yeah, true

[naive obsidian]

While talking about smoke bomb, I always though they should have given it a different kind of effect in pve, make AMZ, smoke bomb and the one from DH that I don’t remember the name be essentially the same but one is bigger, one lasts longer, one reduces more damage and that’s it. Each class has some sort of utility shield

[arctic hare]

Darkness

[unreal shell]

Wouldn’t you just always take the one that reduces more damage over the other ones?

[thorny pond]

Give rogues a vers aura and call it chalk

[vestal wren]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[thorny pond]

Still not fixed

Lovely

[south belfry]

100-200 dps sound decent big thing

[limber lion]

Yeh sure is

[south belfry]

Its like a weapon upgrade level

[subtle parcel]

Are you guys playing with stealthbar?

[limber lion]

No

[balmy condor]

I’m not, no

[gusty mirage]

Yes, but that’s because I’ve been too lazy to disable it for about 4 years now

[subtle parcel]

How do i turn it off lol

[balmy condor]

There’s usually a “paging” section in whatever actionbar addon you use

And in that it’ll say like [stealth] 7

Just delete that

[subtle parcel]

Im using the blizzard basic ui

[balmy condor]

Oh no clue then

[whole bluff]

Just install bartender, still looks like blizzard but a lot more practical to use. Keybinds, bars, etc.

Wow, I got 4 reactions on 1 message. Good start of the week

[red plaza]

Is Theotar refined plate prepot switching still a thing?

[balmy condor]

No

They hotfixed that out a couple weeks ago

[crimson crest]

if blizz wanted to nerf obidience, what do youguys think, how would they nerf it?

[azure bronze]

reduce the amount of vers you get probably

[rustic whale]

@balmy condor thank you for your hardwork on sims. One question was itching my mind theotar vs nadija now i m satisfied. God bless you brother

[azure bronze]

or they will adjust the cooldown reduction

[balmy condor]

Hitting the vers somehow seems the easiest way

[whole bluff]

The blizzard way

[rustic whale]

don't wait for nerf please

may be adjust for pvp combat

[azure bronze]

But I don't really think it will get nerfed

Only sub is really the outlier 'simwise'

unless they want to nerf it cause it's a covenant legendary and it's good for all 3 specs and we can't have fun

[jaunty kayak]

how come that shadowgrasp totem is so strong in sims? i always found this trinket kinda mediocre at best.. am i missing somthing important?

[azure bronze]

The effect of the trinket scales with haste

So more haste is more pulses of the totem I am assuming

[jaunty kayak]

ohhhhhh, okay... looks like that's the part i was missing :D cheers!

[whole bluff]

Sub was top simwise before CN as well

Hopefully it's actually true this time

[umbral rapids]

saying that in sin channel

[idle swift]

hey guys, good morning, does anyone know why platter does not show the flagellation debuff on the nameplate?

[azure bronze]

I don't mind all rogue specs to be strong

gives a nice change of playstyle in raids xD

[limber lion]

Yes, before they fixed all of the bugs.

Then it was pretty dumpster again.

[whole bluff]

Bugs were actually features ok

[willow eagle]

Sub was decent in 9.0

Just didn't receive anything in 9.0.5

[red plaza]

'member beta akaaris + serrated bone spike

[rustic whale]

one thing i wonder maim mangle conduit seems more powerful than nadija's dauntless as the sims showing theo tripple potency almost same

party favors seem good but i don't know what exactly it provides

[limber lion]

Annoyance

[rustic whale]

randomness? 😄

i m just afraiding for fatal flaw uptime if i must avoid mechanics at the same time

[balmy condor]

[kind talon]

Hi

Sorry about earlier

What’s the data for eleventh row theotar vs nadjia?

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[kind talon]

!fuu

Nvm

[fallen arch]

For pvp maybe, for everything else kinda meh

[vestal wren]

sub was good in 9.0

if we only look within rogue

sl basically had everyone hype subtlety, then they saw outlaw is better on the overall graph (due to huntsman)
then people switched to outlaw
after that in 9.0.5 we got a buff for assassination and everyone switched to assassination

[agile geode]

And whats next

I would like to believe that sub would be great in 9.1

[indigo mulch]

It is great. o_O

[fallen arch]

Pls let us be equal

[indigo mulch]

But from past experience sin is more likley to be the goto raiding spec. It always has. I'm not 100% sure why but even when sub has simmed higher than sin, sin has always been the goto mythic prog spec.

[agile geode]

But something in my head Is telling me that It wont be ok

I saw many top raiding guild rogue that are sub venthyr

[balmy condor]

Because it’s easier and the downtime and the damage profile

It’s so obvious

Sin is just gods gift

It’s immaculate nothing can keep it down

[ornate dawn]

the true Chad spec

[agile geode]

Whispyr you re venthyr?m

[balmy condor]

Yes cause I’m gonna play sub

[fallen arch]

Dunno about easier

[agile geode]

Kk

[fallen arch]

Is sin easier in m+?

[balmy condor]

/sarcasm

If it wasn’t already painfully obvious

[fallen arch]

https://tenor.com/view/sheldon-big-bang-theory-sarcastic-sarcasm-gif-10916675

I’m like that guy

I dont get sarcasm

[indigo mulch]

Same 😦

[brisk forge]

What if it was sarcasm not to understand sarcasm 😜

[indigo mulch]

i'm playing sub though. atleast for HC and the first couple of bosses in mythic. After that i'll see if im swapping back to sin or not.

[kind talon]

Fair enough

[violet canyon]

For AoE packs do we spam CT or do we just re apply for bleeds and use Envenom / Rupture?

[balmy condor]

We don’t full spam CT ever

But you can cast it before pandemic on heavy aoe

Otherwise more ruptures

[violet canyon]

Gotcha so treat it more as a DoT than an AoE spender

[balmy condor]

Yes

[icy dock]

rupture heals enemies

how much better is it to spread ruptures

[kind talon]

[icy dock]

compared to just initial damage ct

[balmy condor]

What?

[kind talon]

seeing as CT doesnt count towards venemous wounds

and you would just energy starve yourself casting fok with no bleeds up

i would say its about infinitely better

also

[icy dock]

obviously u keep up bleeds in aoe but everything above like 3 ruptures feels weird i feel likt ruptures does negative damage

[kind talon]

refreshing bleeds outside of pandemic causes u to lose ticks

[arctic hare]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[arctic hare]

No

I want the list of all things evasion can ignore

[kind talon]

!defensive

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[arctic hare]

Thanks

[kind talon]

❤️

[balmy condor]

Rupture does quite a bit of damage

[arctic hare]

Crap

[balmy condor]

But even then

You have to refresh

[arctic hare]

Tarragrue isn’t updated

[balmy condor]

A ton

[balmy condor]

Well the raid isn’t out, so yeah

[arctic hare]

True

[violet canyon]

So if i am energy starved in a single target encounter what could I be doing wrong?

[gloomy knoll]

playing sin

[arctic hare]

lol

[brisk forge]

Will happend as assa

[gloomy knoll]

this isn't fury

[violet canyon]

XD

[balmy condor]

Depends what energy starved means to you

[gloomy knoll]

we have downtime

[balmy condor]

Sin is slow though

[oak sky]

💀

[balmy condor]

That’s just how it works

[vestal wren]

some say its enegy starved, other say its pooling 😛

[violet canyon]

Gotcha so it just has a slow feeling / feels like im waiting to click some buttons ocasionally

[kind talon]

yep

[scenic osprey]

So the new sim looks like sub is on the top now i call nerf coming next week

[thorny pond]

If this is a pool, then it's a kiddie pool

[scenic osprey]

Same type of deal before 9.0

[strange python]

a hot tub?

[gusty mirage]

I'll cut you.

[hallow spear]

If I'm looking to play some sub/outlaw should I make Obe crit/vers instead of Crit/haste?

[thorny pond]

Prob

vers is p good

[scenic osprey]

Mastery best for outlaw

[stoic needle]

Did someone summon me?

[oak sky]

[loud silo]

do we use any of the new korthia trinkets?

[thorny pond]

What are your current trinkets?

[loud silo]

226 phial and 226 skulker

[thorny pond]

then no

[loud silo]

ty!

[opaque tree]

Do we want Eternal Skirmish or Eternal Stats on chest?

[frigid kestrel]

Week after Mythic releases we get Obedience right? So what do the sims look like for a triple potency/Dauntless (no obedience) for ST Sub vs Sin?

[oak sky]

Its mythic week we get obedience

[frigid kestrel]

It is? I thought we get it at 48

[neon pasture]

45 next week, 48 mythic week

[cobalt pelican]

just play assassination till you get obedience unless you particularly enjoy playing sub or think 'practice' is of value to you

[thorny pond]

2+3+3

[frigid kestrel]

Ahhh

I thought it was gonna be 2 + 2 + 2

[oak sky]

I think we start having campaign this coming week

[neon pasture]

Get 1 more from campaigns next week & 6(?) weeks into the future

[oak sky]

Might be wrong on that

[frigid kestrel]

I was legit just curious, I’m leaning Sin for raid and Sub for M+ just because

[thorny pond]

pLaY wHaT yOu WaNt!

[frigid kestrel]

….. ye gotcha know this, not my first rodeo. I’m not asking why to play, I was asking for numbers out of curiosity

[cobalt pelican]

if you want specific numbers do the sims yourself

the outcome of the sims is what i told you

[austere swallow]

does anyone know if venthyr is simming higher than necro on ST even without obedience?

[cobalt pelican]

by a small margin yes

[frigid kestrel]

Sin wins out until obedience then, that’s all I wanted to know. Thanks

[thorny pond]

Problem is you aren't going venth and not obedience

[balmy condor]

There’s comparisons with non-obedience in the pins

[austere swallow]

ye ye, ofc if I'm switching to venthyr Imma craft obe, I'm just thinking if they nerf obedience, would it be worth it to still stick to venthyr, do note I am a casual player, just kinda wanna land on a covenant for this patch without switching around too much

[balmy condor]

I included a venthyr doomblade on purpose

[forest shoal]

Obedience opens at renown rank 48 right?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[cobalt pelican]

if obedience gets nerfed significantly enough that doom is better you just go back to necro for flexibility and play potentially play venthyr for assignment stuff on later bosses if the extra condensed damage is needed

[forest shoal]

have the ash saved to hit the rank 4 right away. hoping to have the korthite by the time it drops too

[austere swallow]

gotcha, cheers

Oh nice, forgot I got this far into venth before switching the first time

[cobalt pelican]

big

[sleek sundial]

[abstract sorrel]

If I would switch covenent back to venth with the free swap available now within the next weeks, is there any catchup for the renown over 40(42 on necro right now) so I can still hit 45 on venth next week? Or would it be limited to 43 with the 3 renown next week?

[frigid kestrel]

You get increased renown drops from all sources to help catch up

[abstract sorrel]

Yes, but is that until 40(venth is already 40 since I swapped to necro a while ago), or is that until the current max (so 45 next week)? Sry if this question was put the wrong way.

[wooden knot]

After you switch to venth you'll be 40? In that case you can just do the souls and anima collecting quests

I just did it last night

1000 anima and 20 souls, even if you did them on Necrolord too

[oak sky]

I think catch up is always to the previous week's max

[gusty mirage]

I was able to get both necro and venthyr to 42

this week

[wooden knot]

Same

[oak sky]

Yeah but you have to do the weekly quests last correct?

[gusty mirage]

nah I did the weekly quests first, had a renown drop for me

[cobalt pelican]

they've removed the thing that was locking you if you handed in weeklies early

idk if intentionally or not

[gusty mirage]

and then I got the 1k anima quest again

[oak sky]

Oh cool

[abstract sorrel]

That's what I was asking, thanks!
Yes I'll be at 40 when I switch.

[icy dock]

is necro legy good for m+ as assa what are we using

[gusty mirage]

necro legy dead dead

like all of maldraxxus

[icy dock]

what does that mean

[balmy condor]

Yeah they nerfed it and it was “okay”

And then they nerfed it again

And then hotfixed it a third time

And now it’s just unimaginably bad

[icy dock]

did it have increased damage

or multiple projectiles

or what did they nerf

[balmy condor]

Well at first it was 2 extra

[pale fossil]

[balmy condor]

Then it was 1 extra

Then they changed it to not give refunds on the extra charges

[pale fossil]

Wow that's garbage lmao

[balmy condor]

There was also a time where it stopped putting the dot on altogether

But I think that got changed back

[icy dock]

do outlaws still use it

[balmy condor]

No

It’s actually like a 1.5-2% lego in dslice now

Celerity is 4x stronger

[pale fossil]

That's bonkers, especially for a lego with a higher skill floor to use correctly.

[icy dock]

is playing assa in m+ griefing compared to outlaw

[pale fossil]

Outlaw is better but Assa is fine.

It's perfectly viable, only really matters if you're pushing really high keys.

[icy dock]

okay, just play zoldyck in m+

[pale fossil]

Yup.

[icy dock]

or what we doing

[winged basin]

that new korthia bleed trink kinda ass huh

[icy dock]

kinda boring

[gusty mirage]

it's definitely no tome of insight

[pale fossil]

If you look at the pins we have updated DSlice sims.

[winged basin]

tome is disgusting

[pale fossil]

Obediance is good if you want to go that route.

But otherwise yeah Zoldyk is the move.

[icy dock]

its venthyr only isnt it

[oak sky]

Man is anyone else kinda pumped for the raid

[thorn crater]

Yes

[icy dock]

is there a list of season 2 anima powers

and whats best

for m+ ofc

[copper pine]

which leggo for Necro ?

[limber lion]

For raiding?

Doomblade.

For m+?

Zoldyck.

[copper pine]

Yes for raiding

Okay ty 🙂

[rugged steppe]

Doomblade or Zoldyk

[limber lion]

:)

[copper pine]

Is it far behind Venth with Venth Leggy ? Looks like when i watch on herodmg

[quaint sequoia]

is there a macro for mut and blindside ambush?

[limber lion]

Would highly recommend not using one

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[limber lion]

!ambush

[prisma monolith]

Macroing Ambush to Mutilate only works with the use of a addon.
It comes with the downside that it often requires multiple key presss.
Suggested addon to use(Gnome Sequencer):http://tiny.cc/mxb6tz
Showcase Video: #assassination message

[quaint sequoia]

wait, u dont use ambush from stealth? I been playing wrong 😛

[limber lion]

The macro makes it so you always cast Ambush whenever possible, but it's not recommended or ideal.

No, you do not.

[proven ferry]

You can if you are questing or chilling 😬

[swift oak]

Would it be wise to swap covenant rn or shall i wait tomorow or next week to see if they nerf ? (necro to venthyr)

[inner temple]

are you able to slam out 40 renown levels? meaning put in the time and effort

[limber lion]

Just do it now.

[swift oak]

no but i'll be for this week end

[limber lion]

No reason not to swap

[inner temple]

@limber lion flying opens up tmrw at 44

[proven ferry]

Depends on what you are seeking. If heroic/+15s then stay necro

[limber lion]

Now that you can swap back and forth once for free, it's whatever.

[limber lion]

So?

What do you need flying for?

Why do you need it for next week?

You can't fly in Korthia/Maw anyways

And that's where you'll be spending all of your time anyways

[inner temple]

to have it "done" so you can fly lol, delay the swap by one day and you can do both

[limber lion]

Not much use flying in Revendreth.

[inner temple]

hit 44 tmrw, get flying, then swap and slow roll back to 44 stress free

[woeful cipher]

will venth still be the choice if obedience is nerfed?

[inner temple]

only in single target

[proven ferry]

Depends on what you are seeking. If heroic/+15s then stay necro

[woeful cipher]

nah im looking at ~+20s and mythic prog

but i got back and forth between sin and outlaw

[proven ferry]

Necro

[inner temple]

yep, do necro

assassin + necro is a blast in M+ for me

melee affy lock? lol

[woeful cipher]

yeah i think im gonna stay necro for the moment, the raid looks pretty juicy for sin, but I really think obedience is gonna get nerfed

if i have to swap thatll suck but

[inner temple]

i dont see it getting nerfed tbh, its only 5% ahead at max atm

[proven ferry]

Depends on the boss fights and your guild 😅

[thorn crater]

It really does not deserve a nerf for any reason

[swift oak]

Someone told me that the leggy for Venthyr war or druid is even more OP than other legendary for their spec so i don't thing rogue will be nerfed