assassination

[balmy condor]

it stealths right there

in the screenshot you sent

[lyric cave]

is there any bis list

[balmy condor]

I just answered you earlier

[cobalt pelican]

yep

[lyric cave]

rip just saw

[cobalt pelican]

press shift j

and go to last boss

they even baked bis lists into the game now

ty blizert

[vague falcon]

alright .. i guess i am just stupid then. sorry to bother 😮
why did these numbers go down then compared to pins?

[thorny pond]

toxic, I like it

[kindred rapids]

are vault rewards capped next week?

or just regular drops

[vague falcon]

S1 vault next week

[loud light]

vault after reset will be a season 1 vault, then keys will be tormented and end-of-run loot will be capped at +10, the week after is the first 'real' season 2 vault

[kindred rapids]

yeah, I'm not talking about this week's vault

[ebon patio]

@balmy condor , you mentioned a bit before that SBS is used with Mari to extend the ooze stuff. What if you are using Heimir? What's the use for SBS on ST then?

[kindred rapids]

I mean next week's shouldn't be capped at +10

from the sounds of it

[thorny pond]

The July 6th vault or the 13th?

[winged basin]

are their venth sims with doom instead of obedience

[thorny pond]

Just end of dungeon is capped at +10 so heroic week won’t be cheesed. The vault on the 13th is new ilvls and caps at 15 per usual

[winged basin]

just checked pins, so unless im blind ecks dee

[kindred rapids]

kk thx

[winged basin]

curious to see what doom venth is doing comparitive to obedi

[thorny pond]

That’s an easy sim

Just copy the simc and replace obedience with doom

[winged basin]

fuck ur smart

right on bud

[thorny pond]

God no. I just was the dumb kid in LK

And I’m just the dumb adult now

[winged basin]

it doesnt like me

sims being ass

or am too drunk to work raidbots lmfao

nvm

[thorny pond]

You’re gonna have to do this

Pull doomblade line from doomblade sim

Copy

Then open the obedience sim paste over obedience

Run

On mobile but iirc it’s pretty and labeled nicely

Thanks Whispyr

Or if you really want an easy route

Load yourself

And replace in top gear

Gives you a relative view

[hollow river]

yo

[thorny pond]

Hello

[hollow river]

should i be using Theotar for 3 potency atm?

[thorny pond]

Sim it

[hollow river]

true

:<

[thorny pond]

Prob though

[hollow river]

i need to sub to raidbot

[thorny pond]

$3 is well worth it

[mental trout]

So hopefully this question covers me from asking any more questions for quite some time here... If i plan on playing M+, raiding heroic, and Doing pvp - Arenas/RBG. will being necro be fine? Assuming i am playing Sin/Outlaw.

[thorny pond]

Yep

[hasty crater]

Everything is fine. Maybe not NF

Id recommend venthyr/necro tho yes

[thorny pond]

If you decide down the road to change it’s pretty straightforward and takes about a week to catch up

But necro is still viable and preferred in some content

[mental trout]

yea only thing i would change to is vent right? where would that be better even?

[hasty crater]

Raid and even mythic plus if obedience stays like this

Pvp i dont know i dont play it

[thorny pond]

#pvp would be better suited

But necro is fine

[tough skiff]

Returning after a break, how is assasin now?

[spice spire]

fine

all rogue specs seem on the upper half, currently sub sims the highest st, while sin excels on 2-3 target fights, but they're still close

[tough skiff]

Better than sub in pve?

[spice spire]

tbh, sub seems better currently

[tough skiff]

Ok great for the info

[idle shard]

@balmy condor do u still use flag right before a finisher as subt?

[tough skiff]

Thanks

[spice spire]

anytime papi, best of luck

[mental trout]

Wait there’s a chance that sin actually beats outlaw in M+? Or am I understanding it wrong

[spice spire]

incorrect

[tough skiff]

Played sin the whole bfa, but got used quickly to sin at the start of sl

[spice spire]

cleave good, big pulls outlaw still better

bf very good

sub could be better, black powder hits are stronk, but sin is definitely not

[tough skiff]

Seems like method rogues are going for sin for world first

[reef axle]

venth or necro?

[tough skiff]

They are paying 1.5m gold to anyone who trade them sylvanas dagger

[plush remnant]

That could be sub too though or outlaw off hand

[reef axle]

as in what are the method rogues doing?

[tough skiff]

How many cleave fights the new raid have?

[balmy condor]

sin specifically, yes, no way they want daggers for the other specs, yepppppp

[strange python]

[glossy wedge]

@tough skiff how does this work? Are they splitting their rogues up randomly to get more chances? Because I would have thought they would have ran their own groups, so paying people for daggers would make no sense to me xD

[balmy condor]

they're paying people 2 million to trade the dagger to their rogues

[glossy wedge]

Yeah but the daggers would be bound to trade via raid Id no? So they are actively splitting up their rogues into pugs?

[balmy condor]

500k to show up and be eligible to trade

1.5mil on top if you do trade it

[glossy wedge]

OH

They are advertising groups specifically for this opportunity makes sense

[balmy condor]

it's during their splits

[muted cove]

Is there a reason Haste/crit is the preferred stat weight?

[balmy condor]

they bring 2-3 characters

and just funnel

[idle shard]

whisp

[balmy condor]

and then reset the raid, bring new people, and funnel into 2-3 different chars

[manic harness]

I'm excited for the Sub buffs now...but a little scared too

[glossy wedge]

Well shit man, where can I sign up lmao

[balmy condor]

haste more damage and more energy
crit more damage and more cp

[balmy condor]

their discord

you would need to be able to trade though as far as I'm aware

so good luck

[muted cove]

Cool ty

[idle shard]

hey whisp, as subt u still wanna flag right before the first finisher?

[balmy condor]

yes

[idle shard]

aight ty

[balmy condor]

you flag on 5-6 cp on every spec

[glossy wedge]

Why wouldn't you be able to trade? Isn't it raid Id locked (for time) and not server bound?

[idle shard]

oh ok but

after that u pop cds?

Or pop cds before that flag

[balmy condor]

it's all personal loot, so if you don't have a high enough ilvl dagger equipped, it's untradable

[balmy condor]

sod before

[idle shard]

aight ill try it out rn on dummy haha

[glossy wedge]

Oof that would suck

My guess then is they wouldn't even bother bringing people with weapons under that threshold then

[spice spire]

They will not

[oak sky]

Making me wish i had 233s it sounds like fun to be in a split

[north basin]

Wait so if Method going for WF with assa we are in good perception spot. Hoooray!

[balmy condor]

I was confused about that as well, but I think it was some weird import, either way it's fixed now, thanks for checking in on it

[strange comet]

Does troll best race for assass so far it gives %10 haste 12 sec window or still orc ""as horde""

[balmy condor]

all races are really close

mechagnome is the only outlier

[strange comet]

%10 haste seems so big but yea

[glossy wedge]

Yeah I wish I had weps that level, I would gladly go and sell those dags for gold if they dropped lol

[balmy condor]

Best combination for each soulbind. Links to the sims can be found here: https://tinyurl.com/2xav5yk8

[spice spire]

based

[north basin]

Ff

Finally updated sims

And pins

[fleet anchor]

HE UPDATED THE PINS HYPE

Give this guy 2 million instead

[balmy condor]

I got off my lazy ass

letsssgoooooooo

[spice spire]

larger than average gamer

[north basin]

So everything arounds
just screaming go back to venthyrs boo

Fff

Was among last people swapping from venthyrs to necro..

[spice spire]

that's unlucky

[lean fossil]

makes me wonder whats going to happen after the legendary is out, nerf or leave it alone

[north basin]

Iam still hoping necro cov leg will get some tuning and love so i wont have to swap zz

[lean fossil]

that would be nice since i havent swapped yet

[dark token]

You guys don't have all 4 covenants at 40?

[north basin]

Only 3. ))

[lean fossil]

no i dont hate myself that much lol

[oak sky]

We got sims!!!!

The list is in chat pog

Pins looking sexy 😳

[north basin]

Btw these sims with dagger?

[oak sky]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

they're with everything

[north basin]

So 800 dps difference in ST between assa and sub? Wtf

[balmy condor]

yeah

[oak sky]

Even the poison bug 😕

[balmy condor]

I mean I would say I'm surprised

but we knew sub would be higher

for like

[dense jolt]

are the sylvanas daggers any good

[balmy condor]

2 months

[oak sky]

They bug

[manic harness]

Sylv daggers are insanely good

[balmy condor]

they're about 1k dps for sub, 700-800 for sin

[oak sky]

Big

[north basin]

And still Method going assa for prog? Or no 100% info yet

[balmy condor]

they're offering to buy daggers

that's the info

the info is they're buying daggers

[oak sky]

I would think it depends on boss

[manic harness]

Whispyr, thanks for all the work you do

Love you qt

I just checked and in current gear, Sub is simming 100 DPS higher already

[oak sky]

Even if they want sin for most bosses they could still go sub on like tarragrue and guardian or something for sure

[north basin]

They will snipe luckyass people with dagger from first week and pay em for trade on mythic week splits?

Ahh 15 key rewards on mythic week can contain regular 252 dagger forgot..

[rapid forum]

2 Mil for a normal trade is such a bait

[north basin]

Imagine these lucky chads

[rapid forum]

Not even that

[oak sky]

Well you get 500k for being there

[rapid forum]

Just go normal with them and trade the Silvana's dagger week 1

[oak sky]

1.5m for actually doing the trade right?

[rapid forum]

Y

[north basin]

If they include ur nick in boss kill credits, seems fair ))

[hazy geyser]

even if sub is simming higher sin is probably going to be the play for raid since you dont get absolutely fucked with downtime which is a normal thing in raids

[balmy condor]

shit meme garbage argument

[hazy geyser]

for real?

[balmy condor]

yes

for real

we've gone through the paces on this for like 3 weeks now

getting super old

[sturdy bone]

Hey! Can I just get a straight up answer, is it worth going venth with 0 reknow now 42 as necro when you’re playing in a world 300 guild ? Thx

[manic harness]

yes

[strange python]

Yeah, you have PLENTY of time to hit 40

And mythic is still two weeks out

[reef axle]

So who are the method rogues using for prog anyway?

[sturdy bone]

Ait thx

[manic harness]

Tea parties with Big Tiddy Goth GFs vs Oedipus Complex Live Feat. Thrall and his mommy

[strange python]

A world 300 guild is relatively high, so I would imagine your guild wants to push pretty hard. Venthyr is pretty clearly better for raid, and you can hit 40 renown in like 8 days of casual play

[manic harness]

I know which one I'm picking

[sturdy bone]

So I guess it’s plaguefall spam for me the next few days

[misty patrol]

does this work on normal or only heroic?

[sturdy bone]

Normal works

But dunno how far tho

[misty patrol]

heroic works up to 40?

[sturdy bone]

Will ask some guildies about it, they farmed last week

[misty patrol]

thanks man, appreciate it

[fallen arch]

Thanks dude

Whispyr tha man

[sturdy bone]

So I got a answer. 1-40 in 4-5hrs in plaguefall hc with a group

[fallen arch]

You can also just, you know, play the game

[ancient peak]

are they sylv daggers still bugged if more than one rogue has them?

[misty patrol]

Thanks! :)

[odd hazel]

i dont think so

[north basin]

Whats up with plaguefall regarding renown? Iam quite unfamiliar with it?

[strange python]

Pretty minimal. Arguably more rng on cleave because of potential damage, but really not that big of a deal.

[fallen arch]

U can skip first 2 bosses

[strange python]

You can check spec variance on most sim sites and sins variance isn't that big

[fallen arch]

So it’s really quick to farm

[toxic root]

They will entirely remove the week penalty for changing covenant ?

[strange python]

Just once

They reset it basically

[toxic root]

Shit company

So o can full circle my covs on reset?

[fallen arch]

What does that have to do with Blizzard being a shit company? 😂

No

You can bypass the weekly wait once

[north basin]

The week penalty removal from blizz works this week only or ?

[toxic root]

You know what makes them shit ? I don't mind having all covs to 40 as I have rn but venth is bis pve and necro pvp I do both enjoy raid and arena imagine how hard it cockblocks me

[fallen arch]

Not sure

[strange python]

I mean blizz's obsession with cov locking is shot company imo.

Resetting it once doesn't change that

[fallen arch]

So you will have to choose for which one you want to be optimal. Or level another rogue

[toxic root]

I have 4 rogues just in case

[strange python]

Wut

[toxic root]

Nelf orc are 60 rn , human belf 50 cus didnt played em

Tbh if I could make exact copy of my char gearwise would he happy

But tbh shouldnt be the case covs swap being week gated it's stupid itself

[fallen arch]

I feel your pain

But it is what it is

[toxic root]

Ye in the end it is what it is

[fallen arch]

Most pkayers have focus on one or the other

[toxic root]

Just want to be moody about it

[fallen arch]

And swap for important moments

[toxic root]

I guess complaining doesnt fix anything

[fallen arch]

I dont really care about pvp, but obedience might be pretty good foor arena?

[toxic root]

Yes might be but necro as a whole gives you a lot of survivability + an extra dot

Let's hope obedience be super broken for pvp aswell 🙏

[kind talon]

yo

what r the soulbind upgrades?

@balmy condor do u know

[balmy condor]

Wdym

[obtuse robin]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[kind talon]

starting at renown 63

[obtuse robin]

how long has that been a bug

[fallen arch]

True, gonna miss fleshcraft

[kind talon]

do we have the numbers

[balmy condor]

Yeah?

That’s how rank 11 conduits are possible

[balmy condor]

We don’t know, it just showed up randomly, probably not long

[kind talon]

oh it artificially increases the conduit level?

[balmy condor]

2 levels

[kind talon]

sicc

[hollow river]

i finally did it

subbed to raider robotics

feelsgoodman

whispyr

[obtuse robin]

whats that

[hollow river]

are the new crafted items implemented?

[balmy condor]

Little bit messy I think

[hollow river]

yeah

lemme link

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dpjQzpY8jfAnN2vk7yMA31

[balmy condor]

Yeah I’ve seen it

[hollow river]

kk

so i'd have to go in and edit the code myself

someone in my guild is crafting whatever we want

can we equip 1 of every crafted piece?

[copper sundial]

nah just 1

[hollow river]

just 1 altogether

1 230 crafted piece and thats it

thats what i tried to tell them -.-

[copper sundial]

yeah pick ur worst item i suppose and replace it

[hollow river]

yeah that was my plan

but everyone's like NO THATS NOT HOW UNIQUE EQUIP WORKS K

but every guide i read said it was

[fathom flax]

Necro opener would be, with crit talent, mutilate garrotte sbs rupture sbs snd vend?

[hollow river]

sbs first

sbs, snd, gar, mut, rupt

then vend, mut, env

[fathom flax]

Sbs from stealth?

[hollow river]

yes

[fathom flax]

Wack

[hollow river]

life is wack

[toxic root]

Haha

[hollow river]

[arctic walrus]

📣 guys guys new simple stat rings not implemented correctly???

no you just didnt enchant them

[toxic root]

Can't wait for sylvanas dagger to shit on dps meters

[balmy condor]

To be fair, someone linked me sims where necks had triple stats and shit

The crafted gear is weird

[slender berry]

If you use gear compare they only get 1 secondary stat

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[oak sky]

Uhhh whats this about conduit levels

What changed?

With the patch i mean

[shy dust]

They went up

[balmy condor]

Eventually we get enough renown to where the slots get empowered

Which is just +2 ranks

[oak sky]

But like do we need to loot new ones first or something

[balmy condor]

So your conduits are more conduit

[oak sky]

Is 226 the max

[balmy condor]

No

[oak sky]

But then they get upped more?

[fallen arch]

No you upgrade them

[balmy condor]

252

Just like normal

[oak sky]

Ok

So we get them from raid and m+ and callings and whatever else

[balmy condor]

252 is the max, from mythic, and you can empower them 2 more ranks

[oak sky]

Ok

Got it

I didnt actually do ptr so i didnt know every change that happened

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[hollow river]

yes i did

[balmy condor]

It’s not important

It’s just more stronger conduit

[hollow river]

they are straight up missing the second secondary stat. and enchantment.

[oak sky]

I just didnt know whats going on

Thanks whispyr

[manic harness]

Whispyr

You got an of?

I want to simp for you

[balmy condor]

[manic harness]

I hope that isn't a picture of your actual foot lol

[floral mural]

is there merit for being necro week 1 and changing to venth by mythic week?

[balmy condor]

I can assure you it is

[balmy condor]

Not really

[manic harness]

Delicious

[floral mural]

And obedience is working as intended now?

[spice spire]

Bro how you gonna put that out there free of charge?

[balmy condor]

Correct

[balmy condor]

A man of the people

[spice spire]

Truly the community figure of the people papa bless

[sick scarab]

ah at the end NF will be middle of the pack.. even if dreamweaver flowers sucks ass

[proven moth]

If obedience it's nerfed sub goes down and sin-doom goes up?

[balmy condor]

Kinda

Venth sub will still be 400 ahead

And kyrian sub ahead of that

[proven moth]

but those 400 it's still pure ST with Theothar's umbrella and 100% uptime?

[fallen arch]

Not the uptime discussion again

Pls

[balmy condor]

This is the worst timeline

[proven moth]

I check the channel when I'm about to sleep and I'm not that tired

[balmy condor]

The uptime nonsense

Is the fucking worst

[hollow river]

what is this umbrella i hear of

[balmy condor]

Theotar first trait

[hollow river]

so you have to stand under the umbrella

for the mastery

LOL

[proven moth]

technically

[hollow river]

good luck

[gleaming fable]

tubbins and gubbins got my back yo

[hollow river]

i haven't seen them pop up yet

[balmy condor]

Sub loses to sin because uptime, sin dots are better for prog, sub relies on melee more

Just….

Stop it

[proven moth]

[balmy condor]

Along with “sin has more stealth dependency and my tank chain pulling ruins my dps”

And “sin scales harder so sub just sucks when you get gear”

[proven moth]

I was lurking time to time watching people going nutts for what to run, then people turning on necro, getting all mad.

[balmy condor]

Yeah

It’s been a very tiring couple weeks

[odd hazel]

yall gonna give whispyr a heart attack

[gleaming fable]

@balmy condor ok but when is obedience getting nerfed

[proven moth]

jut play outlaw kekw (?)

[odd hazel]

then we'd have to play awful necro

[mortal orbit]

ok but you have gouge and a gun

[odd hazel]

:^)

[balmy condor]

[proven moth]

and you can play it drunk

[gleaming fable]

I miss night fae

[fallen arch]

Pin these comments

[gleaming fable]

door of shadows is shit

[hollow river]

i lied

[odd hazel]

you should just make a channel "channel of shame" that posts things like some of these comments

you and all the CF should use it

[proven moth]

||better than being a furry ||

[balmy condor]

We have ways to shame people

[hollow river]

imagine if you actually had to farm a gun for outlaw

[balmy condor]

!log @balmy condor

[prisma monolith]

Name:

@balmy condor

Mutes/Warns/Bot

0 / 0 / 1

Muted

NO

[balmy condor]

I said a naughty word once

[mortal orbit]

when did THAT come in

[hollow river]

there's naughty words here?

[odd hazel]

i've been a good gurl whispyr

i promise

[mortal orbit]

!log @mortal orbit

[proven moth]

Oh that remind me pre-patch when DH rerolled to rogue and were asking "what's bis covenant" every 5 minutes XD

[balmy condor]

Admin command nice try though

:)

[mortal orbit]

wtf

[hollow river]

fuck

[mortal orbit]

whispyr privileges

[balmy condor]

But yeah

Rest assured if you’re hitting the filter

[hollow river]

it must be really bad right

[balmy condor]

R words, etc

You’re getting logged

[hollow river]

r words?

[mortal orbit]

when did the log fire up?

[balmy condor]

Many moons ago

[proven moth]

||rumba||

[mortal orbit]

2016?

[cunning needle]

Reeeeeeeee.

[balmy condor]

Either way

[hollow river]

Ravenholdt Lore

[balmy condor]

We know who’s shameful

[hollow river]

[mortal orbit]

[proven moth]

[hazy geyser]

so whispyr if sub and sin both have similar dps due to obedience nerf or some nerf would it be a damage profile choice or is the only reason sub is "competitive" is that it shits out damage

[mortal orbit]

chat filter; the death of ravenholdt

[hollow river]

if only demon hunter discord had that

[balmy condor]

Sub has more frequent burst

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

Sin for example on sun king, gets assigned 1 shield on each phase

[sick scarab]

guys.. chill.. wait for final tuning .. things will change as usual ..

[balmy condor]

Sub can burst both pretty well

[hollow river]

sub do both

[balmy condor]

Or on council

[hazy geyser]

or sludge

[balmy condor]

Sub funnels a LOT of prio damage

[hollow river]

no change pls

everything is as it should be

[balmy condor]

If you run a halls key with sub

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

Just Storm->evisc the shards

[sick scarab]

blizz will tune stuff as usual after raid release

[balmy condor]

And you’ll see that single target funnel go nuts

[hazy geyser]

sub keys are amazing

[proven moth]

if that's the case sub should be deed then

[hollow river]

no

outlaw dies

[sick scarab]

as always so.. wait mithic raid and then take decisions

[hollow river]

too late

venthyr

[sick scarab]

all this madness now is nonsese... outlaow is better, no sub is better, but sin do more dps etc..

[hollow river]

play what you like ofc

[proven moth]

Outlaw should be a cowboy spec instead of pirate

[odd hazel]

i mean

[fallen arch]

Outlaw should be combat

[odd hazel]

its outlaw

:^)

[empty ravine]

bring back fucking mace spec

[fallen arch]

Ew no

[empty ravine]

and why they changed the name from combat to outlaw

i will never know

[fallen arch]

Maces

[sick scarab]

you can play the best one but wait mithic raid release for fix etc.. as always as been

[proven moth]

Usually sub has like 2-3 weeks of fun then going back to the bench

[sick scarab]

cause thing will change.. ppl sould learned that .. but keep doing same mistakes 🙂

[hazy geyser]

start of 9.0 was painful as sub lol

[odd hazel]

i'll just be staying sin, gradually go to sub as farm gets easiler but thats about it

[empty ravine]

back in the day i played dota and went troll warlord and rushed double bashers. After ezpz dota game id hop on mace spec rogue and stun lock everyone

good times

[hazy geyser]

man they really fucked up with rogue in 9.0 the fact that outlaw was doing more ST damage than sub and sin should've been a clear sign that something is wrong

[gleaming fable]

yeah sub was just undertuned from the start of 9.0

[empty ravine]

sub was op in the beg of the exp

wtf

ppl complained for days

at least in pvp

[sick scarab]

lol

sub was the best one at statt.. sin was crap..

[gleaming fable]

beta nerfs were too heavy handed and still haven't been addressed to this day

[proven moth]

one shot sub rogues being not as much annoying as one shot boomies

[hazy geyser]

who cares about pvp man lmao

also that boomies convoke was straight up deleting people

[empty ravine]

sub was still pretty good for pve

but youd just go outlaw for cleave

[sick scarab]

i really think sims should not be posted until first mithic week is done

[odd hazel]

that would be not useful

we post sims to give everyone a rough idea

[sick scarab]

naa

[empty ravine]

and stroke epeen

[odd hazel]

if you 100% follow sims thats on you

[proven moth]

and give whispyr a bad time

[sick scarab]

ppl 100% follow sims

[odd hazel]

thats on them

[sick scarab]

naaa

[odd hazel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gleaming fable]

lazy people are lazy

[odd hazel]

sure dude

[sick scarab]

also on sims..

[gleaming fable]

if we didn't have sims the lazy people would just go along with the most popular youtuber with their EPIK FEELZCRAFT

[kind skiff]

Guys do you think when it comes to M+ , the difference gonna be sin and sub gonna be huge or reasonable?

[oak sky]

Sub better

But sin is ok

[sick scarab]

you see ?

ersel asking if sin or sub for m+ LOL

[odd hazel]

i see nothing but something that'll happen

i mean

[sick scarab]

all is OK all specs

[odd hazel]

you can play sin for M+ just fine

[kind skiff]

It wasnt my question

read it again

[sick scarab]

it is not matter

[kind skiff]

I am asking how big the difference

[odd hazel]

you can play sin just fine if you want to play it

[empty ravine]

honestly, in vanilla the biggest factor that made a player go from scrub to leet was always the moment a player compared their dps/hps/tankieness to someone who was way above them. Then they'd either inspect that player or just ask and realize what it was they did to be that much better

[odd hazel]

sub is performing better

[sick scarab]

play well and you will be doing youre job

[oak sky]

Look at sims if you want the actual difference

[balmy condor]

There’s comparison in the pins

This channel and sub

[kind skiff]

Thanks

[proven moth]

Some people would follow the sims cus it's a brief idea but as it goes a good sin player would beat an average sub player. Or you'd see a lot of survival hunters XD

[sick scarab]

exacltyu

sims are a great thing.. i come from Landsouls spreadshee era

so i know importance of sims etc..

[empty ravine]

and typically the trend setters are only able to come up with shit thats considered better only after they go through the scrub to leet process

gotta know what works already to be able to make something new

[proven moth]

Dude the blame it's on blizz trying to make us decide and getting rid of the "BiS" idea

[empty ravine]

gear is just so fucked imo

[oak sky]

When tier sets come back ( ) bis will probably be very obvious no?

[sick scarab]

i just say.. post sims when are more "final" and GG reading channel in these days is painful LOL

[empty ravine]

i dont know what they can do but vendoring gear use to be super hard for me to do

[odd hazel]

painful?

Imagine doing all the hard work and realizing bugs happen/etc

and being told by someone who contributed nothing

its painful

[sick scarab]

you dont get my point

[odd hazel]

you dont really have one tbh

you dont see the point of sims

[sick scarab]

you dont even read wjhat i write

[odd hazel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick scarab]

i said: sims are great thing

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

[proven moth]

Pin it xD

[odd hazel]

[sick scarab]

i just say.. post them at more "final" stage.. cazuse ppl will get mad over sims not final

[odd hazel]

no ones mad though.

[oak sky]

You think they know when its fully final though?

[gleaming fable]

I would be mad if people withheld sims LOL

[oak sky]

Shit changes all the time

[hazy geyser]

no that's a dumb idea @sick scarab especially if you have to switch covenants or regear for stats

[oak sky]

Tcs are just trying to give us the best idea what we have in terms of dmg

Based on what we know on a given day

[hazy geyser]

we all know sims arent final its not even mythic week yet but they are somewhat reliable

[gleaming fable]

Boohoo I have to use my brain to interpret this incredibly valuable but flawed information

[oak sky]

Theyre fucking heroes for doing that and still taking so much shit from everyone

[empty ravine]

example of the benefit of siming as a tool, if you go to casino and tell yourself that you will bet on something thats a ~50/50 chance, but everytime you lose you must double down the following turn. In this example sims are like you creating a dummy world you can use to test to see if this rule set is actually practical or not given the amount of money you have

[odd hazel]

@balmy condor thanks for doing this work for us, we appreciate you

[sick scarab]

lol

[proven moth]

Sims gives you an overall idea of how things are going until a hotfix or until the raid release. Cus in the end prob outlaw would be the best for raid despite what sims goes

[sick scarab]

it is funny

ppl want explain what sims are for.. LOL

[odd hazel]

what?

[empty ravine]

ehhh it honestly depends on the type of boss fights in new raid

[oak sky]

Ima be honest its just like shitting on blizzard, you dont really know how much work gets put in unless you do it

[hazy geyser]

hold up @proven moth dont fucking jinx it man

[empty ravine]

if they are all cleave bosses, then ya outalw

but all ST fights then its prob sin

[gleaming fable]

we going fishing boys

[odd hazel]

sin does great cleave

this is bait

[balmy condor]

Guess what gets updated when hotfixes come in

[sick scarab]

i think some legendary nerf

[oak sky]

And they might not do a perfect job all the time but they try pretty hard to make a good product

[proven moth]

Oh yeah, me knocking wood to prevent that 😨

[balmy condor]

THE PINS

[empty ravine]

and hey maayyyn, i came up with that sims example all by myself :c

[sick scarab]

blizzard way of balanbcing things

[balmy condor]

I UPDATE

[hazy geyser]

LMAO

[balmy condor]

THE PINS

WHEN CHANGES COME IN

[hazy geyser]

are you fucking kidding me xD

[strong mauve]

why look at pins

[cunning needle]

[strong mauve]

just ask

what is better, sin or assa?

[wary pawn]

Any1 knows how many bosses are ST/cleave in the new raid?

[strong mauve]

oh wait

[hazy geyser]

also you know... the fucking sim APL

[gleaming fable]

whichever one scales better

[sick scarab]

what do more dps in m+ sub or syn ?

LOL

[strong mauve]

haha

[hazy geyser]

its mostly ST / cleave @wary pawn people are starting to post the heroic boss guides so just go to youtube and look them up

[odd hazel]

the meme is as bad as the words im reading

[oak sky]

Something about scaling uptime stealth dependence and dependency on obedience not being nerfed

[empty ravine]

there was a meme back in the day that compared how devs for different games dealt with power balancing issues

[balmy condor]

I fucking hate this channel

[hazy geyser]

LOL

[odd hazel]

sorry about people

[gleaming fable]

sub channel is bis

[balmy condor]

I would go over to #subtlety but it’s not particularly fun over there either these days

[empty ravine]

and the one with WoW just shows a bunch of levers and the dev just pushes the lever passed its max point

and he says "there we go"

[proven moth]

Ain't sub channel full of weebs?

[empty ravine]

hey man, weebs are peeps too

barely

but i digress

[strong mauve]

true

[gleaming fable]

why can't we just talk about how great korthia is

who's got a teleporter up?

[oak sky]

I cant wait to try it im sure it will be so fun

[empty ravine]

am i weird for wondering if the first thing i thought about after seeing Tyrande vs Sylv fight was "Tyrande can't hear no more cause she tired of this shit"

i havent even seen korthia yet

i stopped my subscript but i still got the latest mount

[gusty breach]

stonks

[turbid marlin]

Does the deathly shadows swap work in raid encounters?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[turbid marlin]

Thx

[old ruin]

Iui

[limber lion]

I can finally experience the joy that is Korthia.

[limber lion]

Not worth it for assassination though, only Sub.

[hollow river]

what

[oak sky]

Hes talking about deathly shadows i think

[balmy condor]

What

[limber lion]

What

[copper sundial]

huh

[oak sky]

What

[hollow river]

what nerf info in the pins, the sims?

[oak sky]

You know what

I think im missing things since on mobile it doesnt show who replies to who

[limber lion]

Why wouldn't it?

Works fine for me.

[oak sky]

Maybe im not updated

Checking on that momentarily

[hollow river]

Mine works on mobile as well

[balmy condor]

He said that sims/pins should wait until they’re more final, because they’re only good till they get hotfixed

And I asked him what he thinks gets updated when hotfixes happen

And his answer was “I think some legendary nerf”

[oak sky]

Yeah im not updated

[balmy condor]

Which was not the point

The point was THE PINS AND THE SIMS GET UPDATED

[hollow river]

Oh, okay. Context, sorry.

[oak sky]

I have an android and play store turned off auto update at some point

[stone quartz]

i wish the covnnet legendary was not bis, hope it gets nerfed lmao, having to swap covenents is toxic

[hollow river]

I do enjoy that no vanish on dlisce is only -3 dps.

Grain of salt, I know

[oak sky]

So discord probably hasnt been updated for like a year

[sleek sparrow]

@stone quartz o/

[oak sky]

Oh great

I can see replies now

Saved

But i dont have the old color scheme anymore

[mortal pike]

Is there any benefit to getting a key done this week?

[balmy condor]

18 this week is a 15 next week is vault for the week after

[oak sky]

Do i get a key if i havent done one since like 2 weeks ago

Like from talking to the guy

Or will he give me a +2 or something to push

[rigid pine]

Nah he'll give you a key a couple of levels less than the last key you did

[oak sky]

Hmm

[hollow river]

no

[oak sky]

I think it was a 14

[neon cloak]

GL guys with the daggers

[oak sky]

O

Group finder here i come

[hollow river]

tazavesh hard mode

boii

4 rogue stack

[neon cloak]

Thinking of lvling second rouge just for the daggers

[oak sky]

WICKED

[hollow river]

no meta

anyone else see method's ad

for rogue stacks

[oak sky]

Im on NA

Moot point

[hollow river]

me too

just shows

[oak sky]

But yeah

[hollow river]

rogue coming to raid buddy

[oak sky]

Stonks baby

[hollow river]

rwf meta

big stonks

[oak sky]

I think 1 is the move tho

[hollow river]

3

[oak sky]

For those guys

[hollow river]

at least

[oak sky]

How do they justify it

Hmm

[idle shard]

btw is tazavesh neck bis?

[hollow river]

sim

yoself

[idle shard]

kek

[oak sky]

Its not wildly op anymore tho

[hollow river]

bis bad term here

unless leggo/cov

soulbind talents

[oak sky]

So probably unlikely to sim better than pieces with a lot more ilvl

[hollow river]

for right now it prolly is sure

but later who knows

up to your character

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s okay

But 240’s and stuff are better

[oak sky]

How could they take 3 rogues tho backstab

I could see no dk

[hollow river]

fuck a dk

[oak sky]

Warrior is needed for sure

[hollow river]

damage where?

[oak sky]

Monk if youre stacking op melee

But those could be tanks

And also dh buff is more important

[hollow river]

need dh, warr, pally

[oak sky]

Because ret is good huh

[hollow river]

don't need druid period anymore

prot pally is amazing damage

[oak sky]

I feel like they take brew maybe

Since its good

[humble ginkgo]

yup

raid leaders will see people bringing in rogues in race to world first

[oak sky]

Brew prot warrior maybe

[humble ginkgo]

they will instantly start recruiting rogues

its same shit with dk's

[oak sky]

My stonks for finding a guild looking good

[humble ginkgo]

yea

I play outlaw

based and redpilled

[hollow river]

kek

[oak sky]

So if its brew prot warr

Then havoc and ret

[hollow river]

arcance/frost mages

[oak sky]

I guess they could go 3 rogues

[hollow river]

maybe 1 Spriest

[oak sky]

Maybe 1 spriest

Im mostly ignoring ranged for the sake of argument

[hollow river]

why would they pay

28 rogues

[oak sky]

Assuming 6ish melee

[hollow river]

500k gold a piece

10 times over

no less than 2

[oak sky]

Wait fury is good too

Why would they play prot warrior

Maybe it is dk

[humble ginkgo]

prot pally?

prot paladin is doing CRAZY damage in ptr

on the raid testing ive seen

[oak sky]

Thats true

[humble ginkgo]

prot pal is doing like 10k dps

for a minute

into the fights

[hollow river]

also

[humble ginkgo]

beating most dps players

[hollow river]

500k per person to come to their normal stacks

1.5M gold to trade them dagger

[humble ginkgo]

and 1.5mil for the trade

yup

method buying their way to world 3rd again

[oak sky]

I think they can justify going a strong tank rather than a buff tank

Like bear or pally

[hollow river]

you know how Limit doing their stacks?

30 people win AOTC

1 person wins CE

[humble ginkgo]

im guessing itsj ust split runs

[hollow river]

ye

[oak sky]

Winning AOTC

[hollow river]

kek

[humble ginkgo]

a lot of guilds are asking for ppl for splits

[hollow river]

bdgg

pieces, limit, etc

[humble ginkgo]

yea

do they pay?

[hollow river]

anyone in top 20 im sure

[humble ginkgo]

or its like they invite you to a CE clear

[hollow river]

idk what bdgg does

[humble ginkgo]

after rwf

[oak sky]

They probably carry you in farm

[hollow river]

limit does 1 person wins CE

raffle kinda

[oak sky]

I dont even think i would want that

[hollow river]

nope

[oak sky]

Rather get it myself

[hollow river]

same

[humble ginkgo]

yup

[hollow river]

i want to game

[oak sky]

Even if i did good during the carry i still got carried

[hollow river]

otherwise what's the point

exactly

[oak sky]

Like i could blast boss and never die

But theres no tension

The entire time

Because if i fuck up they finish without me

[idle shard]

so I did sim myself and tazavesh neck is -2 dps. And I have a 207 neck

[oak sky]

Tho getting sylvanas mount

👀

[hollow river]

LOL

[humble ginkgo]

maybe not implemented correctly (?)

theres no way a neck that gives main stat is a dps loss compared to a 207 ilvl neck

[hollow river]

the new crafted gear is a bit fucky

so i don't doubt it

[idle shard]

idk I just did a gear compare lmao

how else can I sim it

[hollow river]

you can code it

to have stats like in game

link sim

oh shit

necklace in game has no agi

not implemented yet

[idle shard]

lmao

[oak sky]

Doesnt tazzy neck have a proc

[idle shard]

yeah the agi is from the proc

[hollow river]

not the ones i see

[oak sky]

[hollow river]

the mythic ones don't

not in game

[oak sky]

Yo are the edge of night daggers different mog for normal mythic heroic

[hollow river]

no

[hollow river]

same

[oak sky]

Ok

Then im guaranteed that at least

[humble ginkgo]

imagine if Edge dagger was in red on mythic

[humble ginkgo]

or like

black

[hollow river]

or like

red AND blACK

[humble ginkgo]

TRUE

[oak sky]

Its a pretty decent looking dagger

[hollow river]

dude

[neon cloak]

Legendary daggers are better 🌝

[hollow river]

look at it with Wintergrasp illusion on it

[oak sky]

But red and black

[hollow river]

@@stonks@@

[oak sky]

Would slap

I dont have any old shit

[hollow river]

here it comes

how are you assassins prepping for 9.1

[humble ginkgo]

holy shit

theres 2 mounts from the raid

https://www.wowhead.com/item=186656/sanctum-gloomchargers-reins

this also drops

[hollow river]

ya

[humble ginkgo]

this is so cool

[hollow river]

u didn't know

[humble ginkgo]

no

[neon cloak]

Doing Sylv n hc is kinda a must to have the chance of getting the daggers from the vault early in this tier

[humble ginkgo]

only known about the CE mount

[hollow river]

look in dungeon journal

[humble ginkgo]

thats so good aswell its 3rd boss mount

ez

[hollow river]

ha

like Arty bag drop is ez

[oak sky]

Lfr mog kinda whippin 😳

[hollow river]

never got

[neon cloak]

Not 100% drop tho

[oak sky]

I got arty bag

[humble ginkgo]

ye ik

[hollow river]

i never got

sadge

[humble ginkgo]

it also drop on heroic?

so EZ

[hollow river]

never

[humble ginkgo]

I got 1 arty bag

[oak sky]

Wow cloth got better sancy mog

[humble ginkgo]

SoD mog looks horrible

[oak sky]

Not the hugest fan of the leather one

[humble ginkgo]

leather sucks

[oak sky]

To put it lightly

Lol

[humble ginkgo]

ur telling me we dont get a cool glow thing

absolutely horrible

[oak sky]

I kinda like the lfr belt

LOL

Only because its green tho

[hollow river]

bro look at plate gear

[south belfry]

I like the set

[hollow river]

fucking sick

[oak sky]

I kinda hate helmets

[humble ginkgo]

ah they finally fixed it

earlier this week

SoD leather set didnt have a feet transmog

[oak sky]

Wait

What

[humble ginkgo]

I was like theres no way in this current day they do that

the normal set didnt have a feet appearance

they fixed it tho

[oak sky]

Small indie company

[hollow river]

jep

[odd hazel]

easy

be a mechagnome and never worry about feet

[hollow river]

you're the only Alliance that frequents these halls.

[oak sky]

I was

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

Until i wasnt

[odd hazel]

@thorny pond is ally

[green harbor]

is off hand the weapon the worst upgrade across all item slots?

[hollow river]

no

#2

[oak sky]

I decided mythic raiding sounded fun so i was a little short on options

[odd hazel]

:^)

[hollow river]

yep andd

for WoW, Horde is the only faction

[odd hazel]

mecha life ftw

[humble ginkgo]

I can only play Belf, orc, nelf

I dont make the rules

[oak sky]

If i was planning on just pugginf aotc and ksm i would still be alliance

[hollow river]

undead rogues like in the olden days kthx

[humble ginkgo]

thats bad

[hollow river]

./spit

[humble ginkgo]

on horde theres way more aotc and m+ groups

[oak sky]

I know

[odd hazel]

i doubt that

considering im on storm rage

[oak sky]

But i wouldnt care

[humble ginkgo]

my friend on stormrage

every time he streams

theres 1 page of m+ groups

[oak sky]

Groups are cross realm

[hollow river]

does server even matter?

[humble ginkgo]

He swapped to a52 horde this week

[hollow river]

for m+ groups?

[humble ginkgo]

no

not even

[hollow river]

kek

[humble ginkgo]

lmfao

[odd hazel]

i just like the meme that ally is some how less

[oak sky]

I wouldve still been alliance because its doable

[hollow river]

look at the numbers of CE

[oak sky]

Finding a good mythic guild sounds like a nightmare after what i experienced

[odd hazel]

who cares about CE

[oak sky]

In lfg

[hollow river]

i do?

[odd hazel]

thats not the normal experience of people

[oak sky]

I do now

[odd hazel]

you realize this

[rapid forum]

If you play alliance might as well not play the game at all

[hollow river]

[odd hazel]

i never have a problem finding groups for anything tbh

[hollow river]

4k guilds would say otherwise

[oak sky]

Im holding out hope for cross faction eventually so my monk and my priest and some low levels are still alliance

[warped umbra]

Alliance here, you all miss out on glorious shadowmeld as a nightelf

[hollow river]

L

[oak sky]

I cant picture anything but dark iron dwarf monk shits fire

[odd hazel]

dont get me wrong--- i'd much rather be horde. and wouldnt be surprised if i had a easier time finding a mythic guild. but i never have any issues finding groups for heroic/KSM

tbh, if my guild suffers at clearing heroic im moving on without them

[still canopy]

i love my voidelf although racials aren't great ^^

[oak sky]

When you get denied its a big pain on alliance tho

Not much else to choose from

Theres enough grouos

Groups

But only really that

I wouldve tried to pug further in mythic nathria and do more m+ if there had been more groups

But the fact is there were like 2 guild groups a day doing mythic raid and a few m+ groups that didnt want 2k io or something like that

[odd hazel]

i want to go to mythic raiding but, its a pain to try and find a good guild since i do get along well with the guild im currently in...they just arent great at raiding

[oak sky]

I hope you keep having fun

I like alliance

I hopefully will pug some alliance sanctum on my monk if i get around to it

I just cant keep my main there with what my priorities are rn

[willow eagle]

Alliance gang

You can get CE on alliance fairly easily

But

[lunar otter]

man what race is every one on alliance

mechangnome represent 😄

[willow eagle]

If you wanna go for top ranks then horde facilitates that much better

[odd hazel]

mechagnome lives matter

[warped umbra]

nightelf 😉

[hollow river]

i imagine being a good gamer you can get into CE guild easier on alliance

because they probably struggle a tad bit more with rosters

[oak sky]

Theres also less ce guilds on alliance

[hollow river]

yea

[oak sky]

Most of alliance is casual raiders and pvpers

[willow eagle]

Cross- faction raiding

[oak sky]

Please

Please please please

I want my monk as a legit alt

Or even to swap back ally on rogue if i feel like it later

[warped umbra]

I doubt this will ever happen, not with the current mindset Blizzard seems to cultivate. I don't know what else it would take to make cross-faction happen

[crystal blaze]

Did somebody already edit a bislit for the raid only ?

[willow eagle]

Don't think there are bis lists anymore