assassination

[hollow escarp]

from the oven

[strange python]

ok ty

[maiden bridge]

hey guys, i want to start man assa rogue.. what stats should i look for?

main*

[spice spire]

It’s in the pins, but a bit further down. Secondaries generally do not matter, but for ST it’s agility > haste > crit > vers > mastery
If you go venthyr, flip haste and crit

Best way to check for upgrades is to sim yourself though 🙂

[stark anchor]

best to sim but yeah thats a good rough guideline

[maiden bridge]

i have 22% crit 13% haste 18% mastery and 13% vers.

it is good start?

[spice spire]

Seems good!

[maiden bridge]

okey, cool 🙂 thx so much

[spice spire]

Secondaries don’t matter a ton rn - so just focus gameplay and ilvl for most part

Anytime

[strange python]

Is bonesmith the best for M+ going into next patch?

[spice spire]

#assassination message

Just posted today!

The answer is yeah

[strange python]

Awesome, thanks!

[ornate lake]

Is shadowgrasp only worth on 226? Or 220 as well?

Worth over 220 dfv?

Ye true. It's a sim question

[grim hornet]

hey guys, after last sims, looking how close is kyrian OL to necro assa, would think i could be on par? Im asking mostily about how the encounters are and if assa could shine more than OL due to uptime

[ornate lake]

Having trinket issues this expansion 😅

[thorny pond]

Necro outlaw is quite the play as well

Expect sin to shine due to better single target and stability of dps

[grim hornet]

is it better st tho? difference is about 30 dps according to sims

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire I see you grinding

[thorny pond]

Your sims or posted sims?

[grim hornet]

posted sims

[thorny pond]

Don’t expect the mikanos iteration to make it live. 3 dps traits and 3 potency seems like an oversight but even then ST of sin is going to be better

[spice spire]

!Wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[grim hornet]

hmmm

idk, im confused rn

[thorny pond]

All 3 specs will be viable

[grim hornet]

loved sin in last bosses but i like raiding as OL also

[thorny pond]

play what you want

If you come here expecting to be spoonfed what's best and what to play you're gonna be disappointed

[solar bramble]

the difference between sin and outlaw is pretty minor tbh

in m+ at least

i'd probably prefer sin over outlaw tbh. even if the AoE is slightly less. . . with 4 leutenets and 3 bosses .. that's a lot of ST for sin to shine on

[grim hornet]

i know what we talk here, is not like is my first time reading this disc. Just wanted some insight in raid encounters in case someone knew.

[solar bramble]

curious question though . . . the sylvanas dagger. if you get the normal version I heard theris potentially a way to upgrade it? probably with a drop from the higher kills

[grim hornet]

i know that's true for the bow. dunno about the dagger tho

[hoary merlin]

Hello guys, is necro good for assa ? i'm outlaw right now and i wanted to give assa a try.

[solar bramble]

if you're talking raid? sin usually outshines outlaw most of the time

unless it's a lot of heavy (and close together for bladeflurry) adds

[alpine latch]

[grim hornet]

i know that, that's why i have been playing sin for last bosses in cn mm. I usually go sin for st and ol for m+ but when sim are this close in sims then the difference is mostly about the encounters

[grim jay]

didn't hear anything about it being upgradeable.

it prolly wont be the case

[solar bramble]

fair

well the difference is on the encounters even when it isn't a close difference

a fight with constant 4-5 targets OL even if it was a good bit behind sin, would still likely win vs 1-2

[grim hornet]

im talking about pure ST when encounter dictates the uptime

[solar bramble]

oh sin will do best with lower uptime as well 😦

[spice spire]

[solar bramble]

bleeds, and poisons will be runnning while you disengage. where outlaw gets what . . . a pistol whipe

[grim jay]

oh boy, please dont start the uptime discussion

[solar bramble]

and if you know you'll be disengaging you can energy dump

[obtuse ruin]

Wait so sub straight up simming higher than assa in both st and dslice now…?

[thorny pond]

context

[obtuse ruin]

Yes

[hazy crater]

yep

[spice spire]

Yes it is - sin is the worst aoe spec of the bunch and sub has really good ST per sims.
In cleave situations, think a majority of mists, it seems sin favored. Sub aoe looking really good though is a tldr

[solar bramble]

what'd they do to sub to make it so potent? I recall a very small change to their black powder. . but was that little thing enough to put them only a little behind outlaw?

[south belfry]

If we take by 9.0.5 numbers, how comparable are Venthyr and Necrolord? I really dont want to jump the gun here, but i'd rather play venthyr

[lean coral]

I'm so damn conflicted between venthyr and necro

[south belfry]

Haha

[lean coral]

Either way I wanna main sin and I hate outlaw but there's so many add fights in new raid bonespike seems too good to pass up

[spice spire]

Venthyr is solid ST, Necro is better on everything else. Necro behind 50 ST either way

[grim jay]

kinda curious where you see sub behind outlaw

[spice spire]

Also your offspec does seem o heavily decide covenant choice here

[lean coral]

Yeah I wanna play sub os

[solar bramble]

in AoE i'm always used to outlaw always doing better AoE than sub

[spice spire]

Venthyr works 😛

[lean coral]

But necro sub is meh

[grim jay]

dslice currently sub is higher than outlaw

[wide bolt]

Mis of those buffs and the new venthyr legendary being really good for sub

[solar bramble]

so sub is best on everything but sustained 2 targets eh?

[grim jay]

its worse on 2-5 targets basically

[spice spire]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/910-chains-of-domination-full-ptr-notes/936527

[solar bramble]

but 2-5 targets is most of a dungeon which is what's throwing me off

[spice spire]

Iirc even at 5, sub pulls ahead

[kind frigate]

You got bad tanks if you’re only pulling 2-5 mobs

[spice spire]

Depends on how hard you grind keys, double and triple pulls are easily above that

Which are EXTREMELY common

[grim jay]

I do have the sims from today open and at 5 sin is still better tho. 😄

[solar bramble]

i usually pull 2-3 packs when i tank myself rarely more than that unless i know who i'm playing with

[spice spire]

Oh shit I haven’t had a chance to pull the links bless

[south belfry]

We couldnt time a +15 key yesterday because the tank kept doing pussy pulls

We only had like 2 deaths

[grim jay]

different dungeons favor different pulls. sub seems more flexible for ST damage while having M+ talents than sin aswell for example

[solar bramble]

in 9.1 it's good to have a solid mix of ST and AoE with hwo much ST will matter on leutenents. . at least 2 of them look like you'll wanna burst them pretty hard (fire one could get irritating)

[lean coral]

Yeah and sub having venthyr ability plus funnel cleave

[solar bramble]

tis how it looks to me

[lean coral]

Can nuke A prio target fast

[solar bramble]

sub is also great at bolstering

funnel into the higher health to equalize a bit

[lean coral]

Yeah

Black powder if even

[solar bramble]

and inspiring to funel the inspiring mob down

[gusty mirage]

[solar bramble]

if you arent' just ccing it and pulling the inspirings alone

or well . .. . . together lol

😦 why do sin and sub have to have such dramaticly different stat prio's qq

well pvp sub and pve sin

[gusty mirage]

Because haste doesn’t do much for sub

[lean coral]

I mean for PvP you're gonna be using pvp gear with the changes

[solar bramble]

you mean 5 domination sockets a leggo and a few pvp pieces

[lean coral]

Doubt that beats out the PvP gear increasing 13 item levels

[gusty mirage]

Soul ash is infinitely farmable now. Have at it

[lean coral]

Especially with Dom socket bonus not working outside of raid and naw

Maw

[solar bramble]

idk some of those sockets look good. . . and at least for rbg sub, i'd like 1-2 of the shield sockets to pseudo replace our shield conduit nerf when entering stealth

would depend on it's interaction with the endurance conduit though. like which shield is eaten first

[lean coral]

Idk if giving up hella vers is worth a shield

[solar bramble]

ooh that shield is what lets some outplays occur in rbg's

and with diminishing returns. you aren't giving up much vers. since you can just toss em on the low sub stat pieces

[lean coral]

I guess

[gusty mirage]

[lean coral]

Most of the people that bothered pvping won't this time since the il nerf

[south belfry]

Have people tested the rates you can farm them beyond the first clears of the week

[gusty mirage]

#subtlety or #pvp lads

[solar bramble]

the set bonus is locked to raid and maw . . . did they finally lock domination sockets as well?

[sharp panther]

ooo very happy with these recent sims, was hoping to play necro sin in raid and outlaw in m+, both still look like good options

[lean coral]

Just the set bonus afaik

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it DRs after the first run but you can keep rerunning until it DRs super heavy

I think it was 30%ish?

[lean coral]

If you have alts better off just funneling ash to the main imo

Over spamming on same toon

[solar bramble]

i got like 6 toons able to do soul ashe . . . so i'm not overly concerned about if i need a leggo i dont' have

[hollow escarp]

I could get 17k soul ash every week if I wanted to

[south belfry]

So (1150*1,5) * 0,70?

[gusty mirage]

I’ll see if I can find something more concrete for you than what I’ve read around here (no offense to our fellow RHers but it’s not the most accurate resource lol)

[south belfry]

Oh but the higher floors give more ash dont they

[gusty mirage]

Yeah higher levels drop more ash as well

[south belfry]

Yeah yeah

All my disks are literally full so i cant install ptr myself lol

[lean coral]

Ptr is like 5gigs I think

[lean coral]

Ok way less damn

[hollow escarp]

yep

[south belfry]

Huh

[lean coral]

It uses live files

So you're not reinstalling entire game

[south belfry]

I might have installed it to a wrong place then before lol

[hollow escarp]

they fixed this a while ago

no, it was like that in the past

you basically had 2 copies of wow

[gusty mirage]

I can check the DR for you myself in a bit as well @south belfry

[south belfry]

I played the SL pre-patch ptr when it came out and i swear it was longer download but yeah, i guess i just made an additional install lol

[south belfry]

Thank you my man

[odd hazel]

It’s interesting seeing obedience up there for venth d-slice wise. Not that far behind either.

[pure tide]

So I saw the pins, the sims are without the dagger, is the dagger just fucked or? Idk what the hot fix was, I just heard it was busted

[odd hazel]

The dagger is VERY good

[spice spire]

Dagger seems a tad strong, better to sim without rn

As I’d expect it to be hit with the nerf bat

[azure bronze]

It's not implemented yet same for the fist weapons and its bugged/ too powerful

[chrome mirage]

Would it be fair to speculate the dagger might affect covenant rankings

Or would they all benefit fairly equally

[spice spire]

I’d assume pretty even across the board

[azure bronze]

Sub will probably benefit the most cause apparently deeper daggers works on the shadow damage part

[spice spire]

As there shouldn’t be any interaction with covenants that I’m aware of? Wait does it?

[azure bronze]

But covenant wise it should not matter

[chrome mirage]

Also, what exactly has been hotfixed with the dagger

[azure bronze]

Maybe venthyr with obedience and the versa it gives

[pure tide]

Ah word, I was like okay these numbers are still nice lol. Damn I fuckin went back to venthyr and now I want necro since it’s the bread and butter for outlaw/sin players

[spice spire]

A few things. In the initial state while dual wielding it did circa 20% of your damage. It also wouldn’t work if another rogue tagged it.

Unsure what’s been fixed as I haven’t been able to PTR this week, but some of it was

[spice spire]

Vers is just flat across the board. I’d expect that to not affect at all

[chrome mirage]

Yeah I assumed the interactio with other rogues was fixed

But did they hammer the damage into the floor

And will we still want two of them

[spice spire]

unsure

[chrome mirage]

[spice spire]

I’d wait until it’s completely stable. Rn even with hot fixes unsure if it is

[gusty mirage]

It DR'd SUPER hard for me on layer 9

915 soulash for the first run (so all the soul ash from layers 1-9) to 183

[thorny pond]

Nice

Thank you Oxi

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[thorny pond]

It’s cool

[spice spire]

But that’s also me to the homies wishing them good night

[gusty mirage]

also double sylvie daggers on the last boss of layer 9:

[thorny pond]

Honestly that seems good

[spice spire]

Stable question mark ?

[thorny pond]

Two daggers with secondaries won’t make up that much dps

[spice spire]

6% is sooooo much better than 20

[thorny pond]

Just means we need to get our vaults every week

Probably mandatory to at least week 1 kill slyv on normal

If you aren’t aotc week 1

[gusty mirage]

I'm hoping we clear normal first

233 > 226

anyway

at least 1 is worth it imo

[thorny pond]

Absolutely

Especially since they look to scale non linearly with higher ilvl on them

[gusty mirage]

Also Halls & Sanguine are doneish on the book of shadows if anyone wants to look through and point out anything I may have gotten wrong/missed

[thorny pond]

N < h << m if my math is right

[finite sail]

How exactly did they hotfix the daggers?

[thorny pond]

Got a fresh link. I’m on mobile

[gusty mirage]

they nerfed the damage

yeah I got you

[thorny pond]

They were too little then too much now just right

[gusty mirage]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[thorny pond]

Gorgeous thank you

[finite sail]

Did they fix having multiple rogues tho

[gusty mirage]

that I'm not sure, I didn't check it

[thorny pond]

Hard to test till later when more of us get on I guess

[gusty mirage]

I'll head over to the dummies in the seat of the primus

and see

[finite sail]

I can logg aswell if you want

[thorny pond]

Off topic but survival sims better than the ranged specs with bow kek

[spice spire]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[gusty mirage]

doesn't seem to be fixed at all

stacks aren't applying to the dummies

[thorny pond]

Usually the stack issues are fixed separately

It comes up every time a mechanic like this is implemented

[gusty mirage]

checking garrison dummies now

worked instantly on the garrison dummies

safe to say that issue hasn't been hotfixed lol

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage I’m not 100% sure on this, but evasioning rush on first boss of Sanguine is about 75% for me. I definitely got hit twice, once could have been my fault, second time was not.

[south belfry]

Ah holy shit. So unless you are missing tiny amount of Soul ash its just not worth it

Unless you really love torghast, or you boost it for people

[thorny pond]

It can be worth for fresh alts or hard spec swaps

[south belfry]

Yeah i suppose

But its better than nothing

[thorny pond]

I’d rather get dr ash than none if I’m hard swapped

[nimble tinsel]

The "infinite grind" ash gains is like 20% of normal I believe

It's pretty brutal

[gusty mirage]

yeah it seems to be super low

but its better than nothing tbh

[gusty mirage]

I've never had it fail on me I'll test it out some more then

[thorny pond]

If you want a toon to catch up the solution is there

[spice spire]

Also on debris - halk evasion does not work

[spice spire]

I ruined a 16 once

[gusty mirage]

perfect, ty

[spice spire]

Unsure about feint tho, sorry papi

[gusty mirage]

All good, my m+ tank just hit me up last night and he's back

so I can force him to come into a m0 and hard test all of this stuff

[spice spire]

I was also wondering about vanishing and how it would be fit in -

[gusty mirage]

There's a buncha useful vanish sticking points

I know the barbed shackles in sanguine you can vanish the root but you still take the damage

[spice spire]

You used to be able to vanish the drag soul in ToP last time I tried it just shot gave me the soul release instead of going to time

[gusty mirage]

yeah that still works

[simple wadi]

I think evasion works on General Kaal wicked rush for the bleed atleast

[thorny pond]

A lot was stealth fixed (pun intended)

[gusty mirage]

I'll test that ty

[spice spire]

But I knew castigate vanish and final boss of necrotic you can vanish the exile but it just delays it

[simple wadi]

Vanish might work too

[gusty mirage]

we just never finished to kaal when I was running it last night

[spice spire]

Vanish does not work

[gusty mirage]

so the last 3 bosses in sanguine were just off memory

[spice spire]

Killed a key that way too

[gusty mirage]

You mean you tested it for science

[simple wadi]

its a buggy ability

like you can sprint out of it 50% of the time

[spice spire]

Yeah totally

[gusty mirage]

just don't do what I did, and shadowstep too early onto your healer

[simple wadi]

oh no

[spice spire]

You don’t even have to sprint, you can just move out of its radius if you time it correctly

[gusty mirage]

"Why is oxi muted?"

lmfao

"Gotta go guys something just came up"

alt+f4

walk away from pc

[simple wadi]

you should also add to the gauntlet that the aoe bleed is around where the boss does the cast

[spice spire]

Delete wow

I have the vibes

[simple wadi]

so you can range it

[gusty mirage]

change my name, move to another country

[simple wadi]

most people don't know that

but maybe that's not a "defensive" - either way appreciate the sheet!

[gusty mirage]

conveniently change my rogue's name to ixo

no one will ever know

[thorny pond]

Ixo is a good pseudonym

[gusty mirage]

or "notoxilol"

[thorny pond]

Yooooo

[spice spire]

Or just toxi

🙂

[gusty mirage]

I'm not toxic

only to fire mages

but they deserve it

[finite sail]

By how much were the daggers nerfed?

[gusty mirage]

they went from about 15-20% of our damage dual wielding them to about 5-6%

so still worth it for the loss of secondaries but def not super op

[thorny pond]

Have we tested them in a dungeon yet?

[gusty mirage]

I haven't, just dummies and torghast

[finite sail]

And do we know at what %we get stacks?

[thorny pond]

Feelycraft says it’ll pop for sub BP spam

[gusty mirage]

yeah its def possible, just wish it would target the enemy you have selected rather than going "lol this one"

[thorny pond]

THIS ONE HERE

Good luck CCing it kekew

[gusty mirage]

oh good point, I haven't seen if it can break CC

the hotfix train is just getting warmed up

[grim jay]

cant you like shadowstrike in to apply mark and then spam?

dunno how exactly they work. didnt try/have much feedback

[gusty mirage]

everything applies it

auto attacks, poisons, aoe abilities

so if you shuriken/fok and something ends up getting CC'd late

[grim jay]

ye but to get it on the target you want you could shadowstrike in I mean?

[gusty mirage]

oh the random target thing is mostly just present in aoe finishers

so like if you're BP spamming it'll proc on anything hit by your BP

slash CT

[grim jay]

oh, that might end up meh

[gusty mirage]

yeah it just picks one random thing that your aoe finishers hit

but if you're trying to funnel a prio target

you'd be eviscerating/envenoming anyway

so it'd be a nonissue

[obtuse ruin]

but it cant proc on multiple targets at the same time right

[gusty mirage]

correct

it just picks a random target when it does proc on an aoe finisher

[alpine latch]

Do we know about bosses dropping gems yet? I assume it'll work like conduits where only a certain amount drop per kill, but nothing is really confirmed that I've seen. Just asking in case I missed anything the last week or so

[thorny pond]

Like BT, we have to fight!

[dreamy pewter]

hey guys im new to rogue and have one probably stupid question that i cant seem to find the answer to.

so while questing aka killing mobs with pretty low level

using rupture at 5 combo points is kinda useless as they never last for that long

mobs die faster than 24 sec ofc

so do u not use it at all

or use it at like 3 combo?

[thorny pond]

You can

But leveling as sin is kinda trolling yourself

It is slow until you get max level really

[dreamy pewter]

im 54 something like that

im fine with the pace

same thing applies after 60 tbf for world quest

[plain thistle]

combo point on rupture just increase duration, its fine to do a low cb rupture in that case

[thorny pond]

Then I would go for a lower CP rupture

[dreamy pewter]

and just things that die fast

so still use it just lower cp got it

thanks

[weary marten]

also keep in mind a target dying with rupture gives back energy proportional to its remaining duration 🙂

[dreamy pewter]

oh shit i did not knew that

so full cp? is it worth the refund?

[weary marten]

it's written in venomous wound passive

dunno about the precise value, interesting if you starve energy and have several mobs alive but don't focus too much on that

just low cp rupture and that energy coming back is bonus

[dreamy pewter]

ok thank you

[slow totem]

is necrolord gonna be the best in 9.1

[dry copper]

Any SBS rules? Don't sit at max stacks, use when out of melee range, anything else?

[amber mountain]

Single Target or multi?

[bleak sky]

sbs on pull then save for gemstone procs

[spice spire]

First GCD > Gemstone Windows > fire before a cap

On ST

On cleave or aoe, keep everything sbs’d up

As you can*

[amber mountain]

This, but in multi-target scenarios, you want to sbs each target you can, meaning you likely won't have any for the first gem proc

[dry copper]

Cool, thanks. Had checked pins, didn't see it.

[limber lion]

Yeah, we don't have rotations/openers in pins.

[spice spire]

Cev

[pale fossil]

The New Green Man

[blissful scroll]

i read up a bit, just making sure in case i read it wrong. Pants best slot for Zoldyck?

[pale fossil]

Yes

[blissful scroll]

Cheers

[pale fossil]

[alpine latch]

It'll be interesting to see if we should be using the Necrolord leggo in m+ or not.

[bleak sky]

pants bis for zoldycks even with KT drop?

it's a 259 crit vers pair of pants iirc

not too bad

[spice spire]

Other slot has a domination shard, so yeah unfortunate

[bleak sky]

oh, true, forgot about feet slot

[slow marsh]

I wonder if that will push doomblade up even more over zold since you can put on back.

[spice spire]

Truly unlucky

[soft quartz]

Can I ask, what Is the gemstone window mentioned above?

[spice spire]

Not for m+.

[slow marsh]

Oh for m+ yeah

[pale fossil]

Heirmir soulbind ability from Necrolord covenant

[soft quartz]

Ah ok

[spice spire]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=347690/heirmirs-arsenal-marrowed-gemstone

[pale fossil]

Heirmir's Arsenal: Marrowed Gemstone I believe?

Ayy look at me.

[spice spire]

Doomblade is very weak in M+, outside of like top tyrannical and even then…

Compared to Zoldyck’s*

[pale fossil]

I think in M+ you'd more likely be competing with MA than DB, yeah?

Although maybe that's a Dom Gem slot too

[spice spire]

Any piece that couldn’t support a legendary in a non-dom slot got an additional piece to put it on

Legendaries will not clash with dom slots

If made correctly*****

[pale fossil]

It's a bit revealing that they had to add slots instead of starting out with a slot that wasn't going to have a Dom Gem slot haha

[limber lion]

There are sims in the pins

Not looking good for Deathspike.

[quaint carbon]

[spice spire]

I mean it’s competitive on two minutes 5 targets at least?

[thorny pond]

It lived a noble life on PTR

[spice spire]

But yeah obedience pulled ahead on cleave is hyper sketch

[alpine latch]

Oh shit, thanks Cev! I didn't look this morning, last I saw it was just the initial look

[south nest]

I switched to necro today. Do I have to pay attention to something special with bonespike, such as sepsis (sepsis always before Shiv use)?

[limber lion]

Sbs as your first gcd

Then dump during Gemstone windows

So 2 charges for every gemstone

[south nest]

do the charges stack?

[alpine latch]

You get up to 3

So if you're ~5 seconds out of a 3rd stack, pop it

[limber lion]

You shouldn't really run into that problem in st

But yeah, in aoe you wanna keep your stack at 0-1 when you're about to get a reset

So you don't cap

[south nest]

do i understand it right 2x bonespike in gemstone phase and 5 sec befor it expires still the 3rd behind?

[pale fossil]

In ST, you'll get a Gemstone window during your opener, so you dump all the stacks then, and you shouldn't be capped by the time you get another Gemstone window.

[placid cobalt]

Hi guys noticed the change in the pin regarding sylvanas dagger, how is it doing atm? Just curious about a rough estimate if anyone has it

[kindred rapids]

was the tagging issue hotfixed as well?

[lean coral]

not yet i believe

saw someone link a meter where it was still doing like 24% of their dmg st

[winged basin]

SO TO GET THIS RIGHT SO IM NOT MONKEYING, we open with SBS and do not use it until gemstone?

cause I am dumb and don’t get it.

[wide bolt]

You'll get gemstone during your opener so dump then

[winged basin]

Sorry to reiterate the same question 5 times, but I’m actually dumb.

[nimble tinsel]

Unless you are going to cap charges, yes

[spice spire]

Yeah pretty much zaey

[winged basin]

I haven’t played with gemstone yet so it’s brand new and confusing me to how it works

[wide bolt]

Then assuming ST only you'll have 2 charges back by the time gemstone is back up

[winged basin]

gotcha gotcha

[spice spire]

Opener looks like sbs > SnD > Mut > rupture

[winged basin]

Thank you, that makes much more sense

[junior vale]

its viable play necro for raid on 9.1?

[spice spire]

And when your gemstone window comes up, drop them as you need builders

[hollow river]

Grab a gemstone tracker WA

[winged basin]

Yes

[spice spire]

Yep, check pins

I was also going to say, wa helps lol

[hollow river]

WA will help a lot

[winged basin]

I have a tracker already, but I am only 13 renown

[hollow river]

Ah okay

[winged basin]

just trying to blast through campaign

[hollow river]

Happy hunting

[limber lion]

This is correct, let me find a literal example

[winged basin]

But I like having an idea of how things work before I mess with it. It feels horrible not having Venth stuff though, I feel weak as fuck

[limber lion]

You open with SBS as your first gcd

Then I get a gemstone proc 6 seconds in to the encounter

It lasts for 10s

So I have 10 seconds to throw my 2 sbs out

So by using both of them back-to-back right after the MA window (without overcapping CP) you'll get both SBS charges dumped during the actual gemstone window.

You don't want to use SBS during MA.

[winged basin]

You shiv vanish mut??? I thought you shiv vanish envenom

[limber lion]

No.

[winged basin]

Off topic sorry

[limber lion]

You Shiv right after rupture

And after that you just slam it on cooldown

[wide bolt]

You want more muts in MA window for seal fate co generation

[spice spire]

We’re slammers here

[limber lion]

Doesn't matter if it's at 0 or 5 combo points.

[wide bolt]

So you Mut first since you have 3 gcds

[winged basin]

Okay bet I’m learning today, I’ve been opening wrong then

[limber lion]

Well, if you're at renown 13 or whatever

[sonic schooner]

doesnt feel natural to open with sbs

[limber lion]

it doesn't really matter.

But with Gemstones, it's important.

And honestly, with Vigor/EP, this is the same opener every single time.

It doesn't change pretty much ever.

[winged basin]

Before I swapped Necro I was mut snd mut garrote rupture vendetta shadowgrasp totem mut mut shiv vanish envenom

[limber lion]

Gotta be super unlucky to not get at least 3 CP from the MA Mutilate's.

[winged basin]

That sounds not right the more I look at it

[sonic schooner]

except if after your mut garrot u got only 3cp

[limber lion]

Everything's fine, just gotta Shiv right after Rupture.

[sonic schooner]

yea

:D

[winged basin]

So shiv needs to happen before I pop vendetta?

[limber lion]

¨No

[winged basin]

No

[limber lion]

You pop Vendetta before Shiv.

Just like in the screenshot that I posted.

This is the ideal rotation

For EP/Vig Necrolord.

Technically you might want to potion slightly later, but otherwise it's good.

[winged basin]

Vendetta, SHIV IMMEDIATELY after the vendetta

This makes sense, and why potion later?

I have been prepotting every fight

[limber lion]

Because you want to pop your potion when you have everything up already

[winged basin]

Also another dumb question is spectral agi better than phantom fire?

[limber lion]

There is no need to pop a potion when you still need to apply all bleeds, snd, poisons etc.

It's just a waste.

[winged basin]

Makes sense

[modest jasper]

Assassination

    Fixed an issue that allowed Doomblade’s (Runecarving Power) periodic damage to benefit twice on targets with increased damage taken auras.```

Just saw that on the 9.1 patch notes. Was that a thing that... was a thing? Did never notice 😮

[limber lion]

It's like 5 seconds wasted.

[wind walrus]

Generally agi if you are using sharpening stones I believe, and phant fire for oils.

[limber lion]

Yes, it was abused widely on Huntsman for example.

[winged basin]

I need to sim that then, hmm

[limber lion]

Just use agi pots and sharpening stones for everything honestly.

That's what I will do.

PF is more for parsing and chasing those rng procs.

[safe barn]

Does this fix affects sims in any way?

[hollow river]

So is that why I always did better on huntsman

[mighty mango]

it looks like initially assassination will be > sub because you can't even unlock your legendary covenant ability until 48 renown right?

per the sims

[dawn ivy]

finality still beats sin

[mighty mango]

finality beats doomblade?

in st?

[hollow river]

In m+

[mighty mango]

im talking raiding

[maiden cliff]

what i dont understand is doomblade we are told to re-make it on your back

but it cant go on your back

[hollow river]

It can in 9.1

[worn panther]

in 9.1 they're adding slots

[fleet whale]

so if you have two rogues in your raid with the slyvanas dagger, only one of them will be able to benefit from the proc?

[worn panther]

a 3rd slot to yout leggos for those that collide with Dom sockets

[fleet whale]

seems kind of dumb

[mighty mango]

correct

[winged basin]

Preciate you Cev, helpful as usual

[fleet whale]

i hope that's an oversight

[scenic osprey]

is assas the best spec for 2 targets fight?

[blissful scroll]

wait, i just put Zold on pants, was that a mistake?

[hollow river]

No

[blissful scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/phew-relieved-sigh-gif-6021378

[limber lion]

If you did 100k+ with Mutilated Flesh, then there's definitely some funky business going on. :p

[limber lion]

[pale fossil]

My Huntsman parse....

[spice spire]

No longer relevant, unlucky

[civic trellis]

XD

[indigo ginkgo]

oh god after monday gona switch to necro so update me on news ? did they fix the dagger already ? necro still the covent to go ? cuz kirian Sub dps mention should be hard to make those numbers on a fights that not 100% up time in the boss right ?

[gusty mirage]

dagger's been hotfixed damage wise, unique effect bug is still there

necro is going to be the play for assassination, also gives you the perks of playing outlaw if you want

[indigo ginkgo]

👍

[fleet anchor]

I mean, I don't think it actually was that big of a deal for Huntsman

[limber lion]

Definitely not.

Many people were overhyping it quite a bit.

[hollow river]

I never mutilated shades anyway

[fleet anchor]

It was really obvious

[hollow river]

Not unethically at least

[limber lion]

I got like 200k damage from Shades

and over a million

[hollow river]

I’m a good gamer

[fleet anchor]

But overall DPS wise it was pretty minor

[limber lion]

From the last amp

Jumped from 9.4k to 9.6k on shades

And from 9.5 to 10.5k towards the end

[fleet anchor]

Like for my R7 parse or whatever I had 21k damage to the Shades from Mutilated Flesh

[hollow river]

Unethical gamer

[fleet anchor]

Out of 1.8m damage

[limber lion]

Yeh

[fleet anchor]

So was only like a 1.16% damage increase

[spice spire]

Highly unethical

[fleet anchor]

I would have been only 9927 DPS without it 🤣

Well a little higher

[winged basin]

Only 9927…

[fleet anchor]

Since I wouldn't do zero damage

Just reduced damage

Necro Assassination is so good at cleave man, it's the best 😄

[limber lion]

And a lot of fun.

[bleak sky]

full patch notes out

poggies

[limber lion]

I'm personally playing Necro Sin in 9.1 as well.

Yup.

Nothing crazy in the patch notes.

[fleet anchor]

My P2 Sire damage these days is lol

[spice spire]

Yeah I went from 6900 (I’m still bad, no hate) to 8000 when I swapped

[winged basin]

I already got the rogue up to 220 and my parses are just alright. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/zuljin/toadarogue#difficulty=4

[kindred rapids]

shade dmg isn't counted in logs anyways

[fleet anchor]

CT+Necro Assassination is actually kinda nuts

[limber lion]

It is for sure.

[winged basin]

Some of those parses are really ass, but I’ve got a couple really good ones

Feel so ridiculously bad lmao

[fleet anchor]

I got R7 on Denny the other day and we had an unfortunate P3 wipe on a pull that would have been R1

[limber lion]

Well, you're at 220 ilvl competing against people with 228

[limber lion]

Man's gaming

[fleet anchor]

P2 DPS

🤣

[limber lion]

I got r1 but I'm private logging with my new guild

[dim shoal]

Yooo the sylv daggers now have the smoke animation back Poggers + 200dps

[fleet anchor]

Necro+CT just does so much damage in those kinds of cleave situations

[limber lion]

But p2 is a lot of fun

Well, Sire in its entirety is a lot of fun

Except for P1

I'm not the biggest fan of that phase

[fleet anchor]

Like it's really funny, all these tryhard specs padding in P1 while I'm literal bottom DPS in P1

Then I end up being top DPS anyway

😛

[limber lion]

Ez.

[fleet anchor]

Burst AoE is still really weak for Rogue 😦

[pale fossil]

M Sire was an absolute blast of a fight.

[bleak sky]

watching details and seeing 14 - ROGUE

[winged basin]

Teach me how you do that, how you make the numbers so big

[limber lion]

What burst?

[fleet anchor]

Vanish MA+FoK+CT on adds is about as "burst" as we can get

[limber lion]

slap the boss and the adds really hard

[bleak sky]

2M just on P2?

[fleet anchor]

And it's like

[pale fossil]

The direspect to MA FoK/CT SMDH

[fleet anchor]

Barely noticable

[limber lion]

Ye

[winged basin]

What boss was that? Huntsman?

[limber lion]

Sire p2.

[vestal wren]

would be interesting to look at sub with tornado in 9.1 for burst aoe

[limber lion]

Huntsman parse is 10.5k

[vestal wren]

i haven't actually looked at how good it is

[limber lion]

Cleave sin

[bleak sky]

I barely touch anything other than sire on P2

[fleet anchor]

You realize Remornia damage is shared with Sire right? 😄

[winged basin]

WTF THATS SIRE???

[limber lion]

Mythic p2 yea

[winged basin]

dude, I need to analyze your everything

[bleak sky]

Yeah but I just rupture/garrote/ct remornia

[limber lion]

A bit difficult because we private log

[bleak sky]

all other damage goes on sire

[limber lion]

But I'll help you out buddy

[winged basin]

I must be scuffing something cause you are completely built different

[fleet anchor]

I'm always #1 damage on Remornia haha

[winged basin]

My mage is 227 rogue just hit 220

Can you tell which one I had to prog on :))

[odd heath]

[hollow escarp]

I'm top remornia damage as well

[fleet anchor]

But yeah honestly fights like Sire P2 with SBS+CT is just super fun

[odd heath]

Got up to 8.6k on p2 only

[fleet anchor]

I hope that gameplay keeps up

[odd heath]

Private logs tho

[limber lion]

Yeah, all cleave fights are just insanely fun.

SoD is pretty ST heavy

[winged basin]

I am ready to hit 9.1 RUNNING

[pale fossil]

We had one Hunter that beat me on Remornia damage because he shoots her like the whole time for some reason haha

[winged basin]

Gonna make SoD my honey pot

[fleet anchor]

Because of their bonus against high HP targets

[bleak sky]

sire P2

[pale fossil]

Ah that checks out

[pale fossil]

I don't know how Hunters work except for wild spirits haha

[limber lion]

[fleet anchor]

Careful Aim
Talent
Requires Hunter (Marksmanship)
Requires level 25
Aimed Shot deals 50% bonus damage to targets who are above 70% health.

[limber lion]

That's kind of painful

[fleet anchor]

Hunters basically tunnel Remornia instead of Sire because of that

[pale fossil]

I'm not sure the rest of our Hunters got the memo then LOL

[fleet anchor]

lol

[pale fossil]

My P2 damage was eh.

Prog kill.

[scenic osprey]

u will do better dps if you upgrade to windows 11

[loud light]

going to need to do something about sanctum of domination and symbols of death both being SoD

this is not okay

[pale fossil]

Jokes on you I'm on a toaster that runs Vista.

[bleak sky]

is it that bad cev

gimme the cold truth

[fleet anchor]

Delete Sub

[loud light]

fair

[limber lion]

4k is very very low

Even if you were only hitting Sire and Remornia

[raven vapor]

EP/SUB/VIG/CT is a valid all round spec for CN right?

[limber lion]

and nothing else

[limber lion]

Yes

No

No SUB

[scenic osprey]

windows 11 officially released 1hour ago lol

[limber lion]

EP/Ma/Vig/CT

Tbh just play EP/Ma/Vig/PB

[gusty mirage]

tell that to infexious

[bleak sky]

so if I'm the big dam on sire P2 and it's just 4k dps

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

means we're fucked right

[pale fossil]

How bad is 6.6k tho

[bleak sky]

[fleet anchor]

Yeah my boss damage alone in P2 is over 5k

[limber lion]

I don't wanna be a doomsayer

But it's not looking good.

[iron orchid]

"Serrated Bone Spike (Necrolord) bleed now properly benefits from critical strike chance. "
What does Blizzard mean exactly ?

[fleet anchor]

I mean I would say with the transition nerf on Sire, P3's DPS is waaaay lower than it used to be

[pale fossil]

I mean, your DPS will go up a ton in P2 just from comfort on the fight. Mechanics mess a lot of people up on P2 before they're comfortable.

[limber lion]

sbs didn't crit in 9.0.5

It's critting in 9.1

that's all.

[iron orchid]

It does now ?

[pale fossil]

[fleet anchor]

Wait, was that in the patch notes?

[iron orchid]

Ok

[limber lion]

Yes Koji.

[iron orchid]

Yeah

[fleet anchor]

Because it's not in the current PTR build is it?

[iron orchid]

That's what i was wondering

[limber lion]

I'm not actually sure, I haven't tested it in weeks

[iron orchid]

that could help

[fleet anchor]

The spell data hasn't changed for SBS at all

And that's just a flag

[limber lion]

:( Blizzard

[fleet anchor]

Also the note about Shiv

[iron orchid]

Shiv now dispels Enrage effects regardless of Poison application. Casting Shiv with Numbing Poison decreases the casting and attack speed of the target by 25% for 5 seconds.

[fleet anchor]

Is also not in the spell data

The Broadside change and stuff

[iron orchid]

is this the raid utility for rogues shit ?

Would this even work on bosses tho ?

[fleet anchor]

So they must have pending spell data changes coming in hot

[iron orchid]

Probably

[fleet anchor]

We got some last second Rogue bugfixes 😄

woo!

[whole mason]

The normal numbing poison affects bosses

[raven vapor]

does the multi target fights not give CT better overall value?

[fleet anchor]

SBS critting is actually.. kinda big

[limber lion]

Doesn't work on bosses apparently.

[iron orchid]

I was just thinking "poor Whispyr that simmed earlier"

[iron orchid]

Sad

[limber lion]

No smoke bomb or anything of the sort.

[fleet anchor]

I actually think the slow Shiv thing is supposed to work on bosses but doesn't due to a bug

[digital zodiac]

whats the tldr on sylv daggers??

[fleet anchor]

Because it was copied from the Crippling debuff

[limber lion]

Still waiting on sims

[fleet anchor]

It still has Mechanic: Snare flag on it

😦

[limber lion]

Welp

[fleet anchor]

Think that is what is making the bosses immune to the empowered version of Numbing

[limber lion]

I wonder where that would even be useful

A slow on a raid boss

[fleet anchor]

I mean it would help tank damage on bosses a lot

Numbing already is pretty big tbh

[digital zodiac]

How close is venth to necro aswell, seems pretty close from what ive seen (currently Venth... dont think its worth switching this close for me)

[fleet anchor]

For Assassination it's just "free" boss damage reduction in theory

[limber lion]

Yeah Numbing is definitely great

[fleet anchor]

If it worked

[scenic osprey]

this is the raid buff

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

Ah, yeah, not sure why I thought the new Shiv would apply movement speed slow as well

[fleet anchor]

Yeah, ngl.. I'm fairly disappointed at the utility thing not getting any progress but it is what it is

[limber lion]

Cast/Attack speed slow is definitely great.

[scenic osprey]

you bring good luck having grand melee 6 times in row

[pale fossil]

Same.

[limber lion]

You bring good luck by being benched for playing Outlaw

[fleet anchor]

Hopefully our damage is high enough to be relevant

[pale fossil]

It seems like our numbers will be in a good enough place that we can still get raid spots, but it'd certainly be nice to have some utility beyond Mind Numbing.

[scenic osprey]

i had 8 min slice and dice once thats why i ditched outlaw

[limber lion]

We'll just have to wait and see how the daggers affect our overall dps

[pale fossil]

Isn't our damage profile looking pretty good for 9.1? Some potentially melee-unfriendly mechanics aside.

[winged basin]

[limber lion]

Pretty decent, not insane though.

[pale fossil]

Are there specs with damage profiles that do look insane?

[limber lion]

Not enough to warrant bringing a Rogue instead of someone with actual raidwide defensives or utility.

Well the sims are not complete yet

So we don't really know.

[pale fossil]

Makes sense.

[limber lion]

Also some apl's are just flat out bad

So we'll know during Heroic Week

[gusty mirage]

so what you're saying is.... I can unsub?

[pale fossil]

Delete Sub.

[gusty mirage]

you leave subtlety alone

they've suffered enough

[raven vapor]

would smoke bomb returning to pve be enough for us to be considered "useful" ?

[shy dust]

It wouldn’t make us useful

We would be ahead of DK tier

We would be absurdly broken

Given our damage is very high currently

[shy dust]

And then giving us a raid wide defensive

[odd heath]

Did you say... Grand melee?

[alpine latch]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/newly-crafted-eligible-legendaries-in-patch-9-1-will-be-crafted-with-a-socket-323039

OH BABY

Free socket bois

[bleak sky]

[fleet anchor]

I still need to test this on PTR and see how this handles upgrades

[alpine latch]

Official patch notes just came out too:
https://www.wowhead.com/news/official-chains-of-domination-patch-notes-323035

[fleet anchor]

Like I have some legendaries in those slots already without sockets

Not sure what happens if I upgrade them

[pseudo pilot]

How are the slyv daggers after hotdog

[bleak sky]

waiting on good sims

[quaint vessel]

Should i use my stigya for upgrade conduits or will be a catch up?

[gusty mirage]

stygia can only be used for season 1 stuff

[frigid kestrel]

It thought the domination sockets were 2k Stygia

[quaint vessel]

i have conduits 200 ilvl so i dont know what i should do

[hollow escarp]

there is also some catchup world quest gear you can buy with it

[gusty mirage]

I'm just going based on what blizzard told us

they probably changed it a million times per typical blizzard logic

[hollow escarp]

that's what test servers are for tbf

and we should wait for final info

[alpine latch]

Oh wow, I never knew that Doomblade was bugged

[shy dust]

It was

Sludgefist is a big example

[gusty mirage]

why am I not the least bit shocked

[alpine latch]

They said that they'd be doing this.

It's basically just bad luck protection for not getting your items from raid. Obviously you want the raid items for the item levels

[gusty mirage]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/stygia-only-used-for-shadowlands-season-1-venari-items-you-can-spend-stygia-321045 yeah for sure they said they were going to use stygia for it too

[bleak sky]

do raid bosses count towards the "prove your worth" venthyr quest?

[frigid kestrel]

Save ya Stygia, you will get higher level conduits through keys and raid anyways. Better to use Stygia for domination sockets since that’s gonna be huge.

[gusty mirage]

no

[bleak sky]

f, ty oxi

[gusty mirage]

np ❤️

found that out the hardway myself

[quaint vessel]

ok ty @frigid kestrel

[frigid kestrel]

Ye np

The C team is back at it again

[quaint vessel]

but whats the 2000 stygia gear ilvl?

[harsh anchor]

226 ?

[alpine latch]

The catch up gear is 226 but requires renown 72 I believe

So it's not something your standard raider would ever use

[bleak sky]

sheesh

[alpine latch]

It's meant for non-raiders

It'll take 2 months to get there

No different than 197 item level WQ gear, really.

[harsh anchor]

LOL. Was thinking of picking a piece when raid doesn’t drop me a Dom socket

[frank jetty]

In the bluepost for the recrafted leggos they dont mentions cloaks - so we dont get the socket for recrafted Doomblade? 😮

[frigid kestrel]

Cloaks never had sockets to begin with, ye?

[worn panther]

xD

[delicate bone]

no sockets on cloaks lol

[somber hill]

i hope blizzard fixes tthe multiple rogues iin a group and only 1 benefits from dagger issue

[delicate bone]

just make sure you only have one rogue lol

keeps the competition spicy

[tidal jacinth]

hi guys ,

just wondering whether should i garrote on mobs as opener? solo content/dungeon/WQ

spec in master assassin btw.

[alpine latch]

I garrote in m+ for the silence, but only in m+

[whole mason]

there are situations you open with garrote

[limber lion]

If you play the Master Assassin talent or legendary, you never use garrote during those windows.

[gusty mirage]

you shouldn't ever do dungeons w/ master assassin talented

[tidal jacinth]

got it!

thanks

[frank jetty]

Lel , i'm so dumb xD haha @frigid kestrel

[civic trellis]

Necro seems the way to go until renown 55

as assa st

i guess its because the 48 renown soulbind of gemstones

[alpine latch]

The only sims I saw showed that Necrolords lost out by like 47 DPS

It's really not that big of a deal

In terms of pure ST

[civic trellis]

Yeah, but necro is ahead in the first weeks it seems, because the 48 renown soulbind

[limber lion]

"First weeks"

48 is not exactly available first week.

[civic trellis]

until 55 renown

[alpine latch]

But again, ahead by what? 30 DPS?

You're simming at 7k ST and you're worried about 0.05% DPS?

[civic trellis]

Yeah, like 50ish

[alpine latch]

Are you an Orc or Mechagnome?

[civic trellis]

Orc

[alpine latch]

If not, you can gain that DPS just race changing

[civic trellis]

Yeah

I mean, is not worth to switch from necro to venthyr or viceversa because of that

50 ish dps is really low

[grizzled trail]

Has anyone made a tier list video for me to blindly follow. Pref about rogue from someone who doesn’t play rogue

[alpine latch]

Yeah, that's called Noxxic

[grizzled trail]

Ah shit yeh thanks

[plain thistle]

he took your advice

[alpine latch]

lol

[grizzled trail]

Palmer is a trustworthy guy

[limber lion]

Dratnos just made a tier list

[grizzled trail]

Oh let’s go

[gusty mirage]

I'm sure its fantastic

[limber lion]

But I'm not sure if I agree with everything he's said.

[grizzled trail]

That’s good enough haha

Wait ur disagreeing with tier lists? Your doin it wrong ceve my dude

[shy dust]

Anything*

Not everything

[limber lion]

[shy dust]

Dude somehow ranked MM and assa in the same tier

[limber lion]

Sub c tier

[grizzled trail]

Oh yes. Goin to watch it now

[shy dust]

Isc about that donde some people don’t know it’s being buffed heavily

[grizzled trail]

And immediately reroll to s tier

[shy dust]

But assa is currently a top tier performing spec and hasn’t been touched in 9.1

And MM is shit

[limber lion]

Yeh that's true

[shy dust]

Yet they’re equal

[gusty mirage]

I don't think I've ever agreed with anything dratnos has said

[iron orchid]

Always C-tier in my heart tho

[spice spire]

Unlucky

[gusty mirage]

[winged basin]

Do sims reflect the bug fix to sbs

and the doomblade fix

asking for a friend cause I’m not 100%

[iron orchid]

The doomblade fix has nothing to get fixed in sims

and the SBS fix was not taken into account

the spell data has not been updated on ptr thus it is not implemented in sims yet

[gusty mirage]

@iron orchid the mvp

[spice spire]

Truly the goat in our hearts

[iron orchid]

[winged basin]

Word I didn’t think so, I was telling them that Doomblade wasn’t very important

[iron orchid]

actually

now that i think of it

[safe barn]

That's good right?

[iron orchid]

I ain't sure anymore

[safe barn]

the sbs thing

[iron orchid]

that'll be nice yup

[safe barn]

it means that it can be better than it is right now

is that correct?

[iron orchid]

exactly

it litterally means that the damage from your SBS bleed will go up by approximately your crit%

It won't be GIGA STONKS, but will help a bit for sure

[shy dust]

This was a known buff

To necro for a while now

It’s not new info

[iron orchid]

"Fixed an issue that allowed Doomblade's (Runecarving Power) periodic damage to benefit twice on targets with increased damage taken auras."
Can this imply that doomblade's bleed was benefitting twice from vendetta for instance (does it even benefit from vendetta ?) ?

[iron orchid]

I didn't know, and Koji didn't seem to know either huh

[spice spire]

Yeah that was in initial notes iirc

[iron orchid]

But they haven't brought it to ptr yet ?

that's weird

Maybe I've been away for too long

bruh

Genshin is easier

dammit

[indigo mulch]

The doomblade thing is an old bug allowing doomblade to double dip. 😮

[gusty mirage]

all I'm hearing right now is I should def unsub @iron orchid

[spice spire]

Stop

[iron orchid]

TRUUUUEE

[gusty mirage]

9.1 feels like its going to be hot dookie

idk

[shy dust]

They announced it

A while back

[iron orchid]

Alright ok

[spice spire]

Wow is only as fun as the people you play with tbh

[gusty mirage]

all the homies play rogue idk how viable doing stuff with just rogues is

[iron orchid]

I've been crying all day looking at sub sims tho

[indigo mulch]

I'm suprised dratnos put rogues in C tier considering there have been multiple top50 guilds recruiting rogues.

[gusty mirage]

Every sub rogue is waiting with their breaths held, everytime sub gets love blizz is like "PSYCHE" and nerfs them into oblivion

[iron orchid]

I actually think those sims look balanced when you compare with the other rogue specs

but I have no idea what other classes can reach in terms of numbers

[pallid bough]

Am I the only one with the opinion that they should remove Hidden Blades and replace it with Echoing Blades from BFA as a talent?

I really liked EB in BFA, feels like Hidden Blades is pretty meh

[gusty mirage]

yeah we seem super balanced among all 3 specs, its nice to see all 3 viable

I for our sub brothers that blizz doesn't decide to gut it for no reason

[pallid bough]

No utility

even DKs are better tbh

[regal cape]

See blizzard has let me down too many times on sub, gonna stick sin/outlul necro for now

[indigo mulch]

I mean tbh, Sanctum looks like you can run plenty of melee so that's not really an issue.

[pallid bough]

and if you wanna say that Sin does a lot of damage ST, might as well pick an Spriest over Sin Rogue

[indigo mulch]

SP is a caster, you don't even put htem in the same catagory though. 😮

[grizzled trail]

I see in pins that the daggers Alrdy got hot fixed, in what way??

[pallid bough]

ya but

[regal cape]

Spriest is my ranged alt for this tier now that our melee stack is up to 6

[pallid bough]

SP is pretty much the same as Sin

Spriest brings nothing except super high turret damage

but its range

[gusty mirage]

HBs is a meme version of a legion leggo that was useless in bfa and still useless now

[pallid bough]

yeah I remember HBs from Legion

[royal lantern]

it worked double on stuff like huntsman shades

[pallid bough]

Dreadlords Deceit correct? @gusty mirage

[iron orchid]

Yeah I know that

[pallid bough]

or something like that

ya I feel like they should replace HB with EB

that was such a pumper in M+

[iron orchid]

But if it worked on vendetta for example, and we didn't "notice it" we'd lose a slight amount of damage

[gusty mirage]

they could replace HB with a talent that just makes you /dance and it'd be more useful tbh

[pallid bough]

LMAO

tru

[gusty mirage]

but yeah it's diet dreadlord's deceit

[pallid bough]

unfortunate

[gusty mirage]

nerfed the damage + the stacks

kek

[frigid kestrel]

I love my rogue community and all it’s brethren. Just went looking at some other discord’s and we legit are the best.

[indigo mulch]

I mean as long as the sylv daggers are better than the m+ daggers i'm fine iwth it.

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-daft-punk-electroma-gif-21232550

[indigo mulch]

0o

[winged basin]

I tell my guild rogue discord is the best cause we are

I don’t think there is a single class discord that puts the work we do in

[kindred shuttle]

yo, what to put in to zoldyck? crit haste?

[odd hazel]

@limber lion grats on CM!

[indigo mulch]

Yes

[spice spire]

The most tragic thing today is that you’re not using dark mode. Truly unlucky, krey.

[odd hazel]

On Facebook ?

On my phone

[spice spire]

Ye

Settings > dark mode

[odd hazel]

Yikes, a blood elf on top of this

[spice spire]

Ez

[limber lion]

Probably meant CF, but thank you! :P

Community Man

[gusty mirage]

Nah they were right the first time

“Clearly Magnificent”

[grim jay]

community meme

[gusty mirage]

[grizzled trail]

Pins say dagger is already hot fixed, I’m just curious what was exactly was done. I can’t seem to find anything?

[gusty mirage]

Damage was nerfed

No longer doing 20% of our damage

[grizzled trail]

Ok so two rogue using it is still bugged?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah

[humble ginkgo]

you think its a bug

or on purpose?

so people dont stack it

[grizzled trail]

Oooo

Surely it’s a bug but who knows

[humble ginkgo]

yea but isnt that how some shit works in classic

some debuffs

[west geode]

Ugh discord. I was reading posts from 11 am and it decides that I don’t need to read them and scrolls me to bottom

[humble ginkgo]

are like

unique

[dawn ivy]

they would never allow that sort of unique debuff thing to be in the game again

[raven vapor]

would you refresh rupture/garrote on a second target over envenom during shiv window (huntsmen for example)

[dawn ivy]

it would arguably hard lock a second rogue from coming into a group

[cyan kite]

get with the times old man

[gusty mirage]

Im pretty sure it’s: As long as your prio target has bleeds up you just envenom and reapply bleeds to the second target after the shiv window. @limber lion can confirm or remind me how dumb I am though

[strange silo]

Hey this was a Hc pug i did today and im bad at logs could one of you look over it and tell me what to do better? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VGBzb9XyqWawFNrv#fight=7&type=damage-done&source=19&translate=true

[raven vapor]

that's what i'm doing at the moment, just want to make sure i'm not prioritizing wrong thanks

[deep solstice]

Is there a good reason why the sim uses blindside procs during the MA window after vanish?

[spice spire]

One big thing: