assassination

[limber lion]

You'll never learn to do the correct opener, if you never do the correct opener.

[mellow pier]

Plus openers change

Depending on cov and talents

[gusty mirage]

idk 9.1 just doesn't seem that great to me. Plus the new systems make me want to cry

I can just go back to being a m+ andy

[spice spire]

M+ sin only Andy

[limber lion]

As long as you kill Sylvanas on heroic at least

[gusty mirage]

if I do that then I have to raid mythic

exact words from my officers during our guild meeting when I asked them to recruit another rogue so I don't have to raid: "Too bad. No"

[grim jay]

why? just buy sylvanas heroic kills with vip every week

[limber lion]

Welp.

I mean, you're the one to make that decision in the end.

[gusty mirage]

buy? If I ever hit that level of casual shoot me

[thorny pond]

Wanna come hangout with me

[limber lion]

If you don't want to raid mythic, then don't.

[thorny pond]

They can't force you to raid

[limber lion]

You're not chained to your guild.

[gusty mirage]

I wanna make you proud though @limber lion

and while my guild are potatoes, they're my potatoes

[thorny pond]

Sometimes you just need to cut them up and make fries @gusty mirage

[spice spire]

Exactly oxi you can just vibe out. You shouldn’t stay somewhere where they’re forcing content if you don’t want

[gusty mirage]

god fries sound so good rn

[spice spire]

Legit not cool

[frigid kestrel]

Aww you have Guild potatoes too? We have so much in common

[gusty mirage]

@frigid kestrel you're cuter than me though

[mossy crown]

now I've made the change to necro, is the a good guide explaining when to use SBS?

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

hasn't changed

[frigid kestrel]

Only when the light hits me a very specific way

[grim jay]

fair enough. thought I could make some money with ma brother

[gusty mirage]

@mossy crown opener to get bleed rolling, don't cap charges, dump during heimir gemstones window

and it's that EZ

[gusty mirage]

must always be shining cause damn

[limber lion]

Get r1 raider.io in Area 52 and you'll make me proud :')

[frigid kestrel]

To add onto what @gusty mirage said, this is uber useful for looking for gemstone procs https://wago.io/MarrowedGemstone

[gusty mirage]

I moved up to r4 sin rogue on area 52 because someone transferred off

WE MOVIN ON UP BOYS

[spice spire]

Huge

What’s your io?

[gusty mirage]

1897

[spice spire]

I’m deadass a ksm Andy rn

[gusty mirage]

I'll break the 1900 mark this week

[limber lion]

[spice spire]

Huge

[cerulean nest]

I'm r1 on my server at 1550io lmao

[raven vapor]

i'm trying to break 1.8 but nobody wants to do SD

[gusty mirage]

@raven vapor if you wanna know how I got my 18 sanguine done, I had to do it with double rogue because no one else would come

lmao

so we ran fire mage, outlaw, sin

BEAT BOTH OF THEM WHAT UP

[spice spire]

Oxi would be 7th on Mal’ganis

R1 is 2799

[frigid kestrel]

Ill never hit rank 1 rogue on my server as long as Squawkk's is around, so i just aim to be the # Sin rogue on the server and thats been easy.

[gusty mirage]

r1 assassination rogue on a52 is like 2100

[thorny pond]

Try being on Ryfie's realm lol

[gusty mirage]

definitely would be able to catch up

[spice spire]

That’s winnable actually tho

[frigid kestrel]

2036 on dalaran

[raven vapor]

r1 on Ravencrest is 2.2

[gusty mirage]

outlaw I have zero chance

there's like 30 people above 3k

lmao

[delicate bone]

@gusty mirage did you get CE?

[gusty mirage]

nah roster boss killed us on council @delicate bone

we got niklaus to 50% like 6 times too

[delicate bone]

ah rip, we made it through coucil some fucking how

[gusty mirage]

sub 50%*

[delicate bone]

literaly still mindblown

[raven vapor]

exactly the same happened to us

[gusty mirage]

our tanks were kinda doo doo

our dps were brain dead

and half our healers were like fuck this and quit the game lmao

[delicate bone]

lolol rip

[inland hull]

I was looking to swap to DS from Vigor but not sure about energy management. Is there a target haste % that DS is just clearly better in ST?

[delicate bone]

better luck in 9.1 though

[gusty mirage]

we made a really really good holy pally quit WoW

[west cove]

do you guys think zoldyck would be useful in progress 9.1?

[limber lion]

No, we don't have any haste breakpoints or anything.

You need to just sim yourself.

[west cove]

i'll never spec assa in m+

[limber lion]

Eh, Doomblade probably wins on most fights.

Zoldyck might be good on Sylvanas, but we're not 100% sure how the last phase works yet.

[bleak sky]

it's decent, give it a shot

[raven vapor]

sin is much more fun to play in m+

[gusty mirage]

tbh after finally giving outlaw a real shot in m+ this season

[west cove]

it'll probably fine but i dont like low apm in dungeons

[gusty mirage]

gouge is just too good to lose out on

assassination isn't low apm in dungeons though

once you get bleeds rolling it speeds up quite a bit

energy isn't even a thought

[frigid kestrel]

Subs Cheap Shot > Gouge in my opinion

[thorny pond]

stun dr

[gusty mirage]

DR is a bitch unfortunately

[limber lion]

Ye

Gouge is much better.

[delicate bone]

no shot

you lose so much dmg if youre spamming cheapshot in dance

[gusty mirage]

all you need is a shaman to incap totem and your cheapshot is doo doo unfortunately

[delicate bone]

no shot at all

[frigid kestrel]

Isnt dance almost always up tho in M+?

[gusty mirage]

kind of

[frigid kestrel]

Its been a very long time since i subed Keys bare with me

[thorny pond]

give sub a talent to make BP stun everything, 1min cd

[gusty mirage]

yeah cause that's what sub needs now

more buffs

you want blizz to kill the spec again?

[thorny pond]

I have been a sin boi for a decade

time to change

[gusty mirage]

we have the cutest CFs though

why

[delicate bone]

if youre using cheapshot it wont be, youre losing out on dmg and dance uptime

[thorny pond]

I like the toxicity of #subtlety

[bleak sky]

what's cfs

[thorny pond]

green names

[frigid kestrel]

Explain, and im being serious im not trolling.

[bleak sky]

oh

[gusty mirage]

community figures

like this stud right here @limber lion

[thorny pond]

NO DR

[bleak sky]

big true, cev and whispyr are CUTIES

[limber lion]

You use Cheap Shot a few times and after a while the mob is immune to cc.

Gouge doesn't DR.

You can perma-interrupt* a mob as Outlaw

[hollow river]

Oh my

Look at the green name

O:

[frigid kestrel]

Ye but Gouge is a 15 second CD, cheap shot doesnt

[thorny pond]

Guy is kinda hot too

Gouge has no DR and doesn't cost damage resources

[frigid kestrel]

Cheap Shot is free as well, isnt it

[limber lion]

Both are used for interrupting/disrupting a cast/mob.

[thorny pond]

Blind/Gouge/KS are impossibly strong

[frigid kestrel]

Not arguing, legit trying to understand

[umbral rapids]

oh wow green @limber lion !

[limber lion]

You cannot perma interrupt a mob as Sub

But you can as Outlaw

[umbral rapids]

gz mate

[limber lion]

Kick - Gouge - Kick - Kidney Shot - Kick - Gouge etc.

Or something of the sort.

[thorny pond]

locking down a mob like the inspired mobs are huge

[limber lion]

If you replace the Gouge with Cheap Shot, it will DR the Kidney as well

And eventually cause it to go immune.

[drowsy coral]

A good example is the spider mob in PF

[frigid kestrel]

OK that makes sense

[drowsy coral]

Outlaw can easily chain interrupt the spawn cast

[limber lion]

Outlaw can solo-interrupt an add permanently

[thorny pond]

anything that stuns, from any source, include other group members DRs

So non-stun interrupts are pog

[limber lion]

[umbral rapids]

the jumping mob in ToP is much more impactful

[frigid kestrel]

Because Gouge is a incap not a stun

Got it

I learned something today from a spec i never play

[umbral rapids]

yeah it doesn't dr

[thorny pond]

and gouge is great since you can insta break it for things like sang

[umbral rapids]

it's true for knockdown as well like ancient aftershock on NF warriors

[thorny pond]

whereas a true stun you have no mobility recourse

[umbral rapids]

it usually insta breaks anyway you don't use it for the incap

[thorny pond]

You're playing with bad players

[delicate bone]

sanguine in bfa with the BtE stun was aids lol

[umbral rapids]

wdym, it's in flamepatch, starfall, flurry

it's gonna break, and it doesn't matter if it does frankly

[thorny pond]

A good group can hold their cum for proper mob control

[alpine latch]

I need an adult...

[limber lion]

But I honestly understand your vision as well

Because Gouge doesn't "sound" too great, until you've played a bit with it.

[umbral rapids]

yeah mate hold starfall and don't flamepatch

gouge is nuts yeah

[thorny pond]

You're literally arguing against strategies that 3k io strats require lol

[umbral rapids]

whatever

[umbral rapids]

that is very true

[silent fossil]

cev finally farmed enough messages to go green

[gusty mirage]

you don't gouge for a hard CC, you gouge to interrupt something like devour flesh in TOP, or draining fluids in wake when no one has an interrupt

[umbral rapids]

once you try it its cd + non dr is crazy good

[gusty mirage]

doesn't matter if it gets broken instantly

[umbral rapids]

that was my point but 3k io strats require the cc so i'll just not argue ^^

[frigid kestrel]

Ye ive only ever just read it without fully understand shit and assumed CS is up more so its better. Now knowing that it doesn't affect DR because its not a stun i completely get why its so good.

[limber lion]

#3 in Assassination. Ez.

[thorny pond]

It can be used both ways, we're both correct

[umbral rapids]

ye

[umbral rapids]

removing the stun from bte lowkey felt so good because of this

outlaw used to cheap shot out of stealth then just rotationally DR something which could be annoying sometimes

also not stunning stuff in sanguine kek

[thorny pond]

This week is sanguine, fox

[tacit wedge]

BtE in sanguine is my passion

Or not having kidney/gouge for maldraxxu defender

[limber lion]

Hmm?

Why's that?

[tacit wedge]

Was memeing this time

[silent fossil]

fueled by his partys rage

[verbal mantle]

BtE doesnt stun anymore, fyi

[limber lion]

You do realize that BtE doesn't stun anymore?

:')

[verbal mantle]

im faster Cev

me CF

ez

[tacit wedge]

Yes

[limber lion]

ok take it

it's yours

[verbal mantle]

ty bro

[tacit wedge]

I just remember my bfa moments

[limber lion]

[tacit wedge]

I prefer having it on kidney

[verbal mantle]

[tacit wedge]

Took me some relearning to press kidney for the stun

[short wind]

Does necrolord seem like the strongest cov in 9.1?

[humble ginkgo]

believe so

[thorny pond]

Basically is for anything over 1 target

[limber lion]

Probably depends whether or not you want to multi-spec other specs.

[thorny pond]

!pins

[bleak sky]

[kindred shuttle]

yo quick question, zoldyck is still on legs right no change there

[limber lion]

Yup.

[thorny pond]

yee

[kindred shuttle]

cheers

[bleak sky]

if it won't have a dom socket OR won't have a last 2 bosses mythic drop: it's safe to keep it there

[drowsy parcel]

there are legs from KT

[dawn pike]

are current lego's getting more armor slots to craft on ?

[thorny pond]

Yes they are

[thorny pond]

Correct, the other slots have sockets though

[spice spire]

Db is it iirc there was a wowhead article recently

[tacit wedge]

Doomblade gets on cloak

[thorny pond]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1EaRECr0JhvNfNs8WvpyLhM9SiY3iIZWQJAD9NC7cSRA/mobilebasic

There is the short and skinny of it

with a nice colorful chart

[limber lion]

Craft your legendaries on your cloak, that's all you need to know.

[thorny pond]

I bought 4 cloaks tbf

[tacit wedge]

That's a lot of cloaks

[thorny pond]

There are a lot of leggos

[tacit wedge]

Not wrong

[thorny pond]

Prices were low and next week they won't be

[tacit wedge]

Prices already spiked from 8k to 20k

[limber lion]

20k

oh no.

[grim jay]

going bankrupt fast!

😄

[scenic root]

When you gotta buy 4.

[thorny pond]

Finality/Obi/DB & ?

[gusty mirage]

Dashing

[thorny pond]

You look dashing ❤️

[gusty mirage]

Did Cev expose what I look like?

[thorny pond]

Naw but I have a good imagination for what good rogues look like

[grim jay]

[limber lion]

Adam is a handsome fellah

[umbral rapids]

where i grew up fellah is a farmer

[thorny pond]

Oxi farms IO

so it's fair

[spice spire]

Oxi is handsome. Sometimes you just know

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

No one can be ugly and get away with being that toxic

[thorny pond]

Where did our mastery lord go?

[limber lion]

Which one?

[gusty mirage]

ME? Toxic? Well I never

[thorny pond]

Thank you quake

[spice spire]

He’s aloof

[thorny pond]

He never said goodbye 😦

[spice spire]

Anytime papi, the vault contains all answers

He was in OT yesterday

Rn that’s the best place to see him

[strange python]

So anyone got a few to do some quick log review?

[gusty mirage]

@spice spire I’m not toxic

[thorny pond]

I will during lunch in a few hours

[limber lion]

I'm sure Oxi would love to.

[spice spire]

Never 🙂

[gusty mirage]

As soon as this client leaves I’m down

[bleak sky]

Oxi's just gonna tell him to stack more mastery

[gusty mirage]

Guy gets CF pawns off log reviews already

[bleak sky]

not at 130% mastery? not enough.

[gusty mirage]

Smh my head

[spice spire]

Wrong sin OTP

[limber lion]

I can take a peek.

[strange python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7LpCaMQYW4w6DBrz#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=18

[bleak sky]

oh shit is it not oxi?

[strange python]

I'm curious how much is bad gear vs bad play. First raid in a couple months on rogue

[limber lion]

Oxi =/= Osh

[bleak sky]

o

So sorry Oxi I know you'd never stack mastery

[limber lion]

1. Press Shiv more often. You literally have to press it on cooldown. You missed a few casts because you held it.

You pool before it comes off cooldown, but when it's off cooldown, you press it.

Even if you're at 0cp and 0 energy

[strange python]

Okay, I definitely felt that

[limber lion]

2. You cap a lot of energy. Make sure to starve yourself before you get hit by mechanics so you don't sit at full energy whilst you're doing a mechanic.

[strange python]

Is that much more than normal given the intermission?

[limber lion]

I'm looking at Hungering Destroyer. :)

[strange python]

Ahh

[thorny pond]

Shriek is a terrible fight for log review

[limber lion]

It's not too bad honestly.

Anyways.

[strange python]

Yeah I mostly wanna know if I'm doing something rotationally wrong, or if it's a few nitpicks and gear

[limber lion]

3. You need to press Flagellation on cooldown, you sync'd it with Vendetta for whatever reason. Don't do that.

[thorny pond]

Listen to cev then lol

[strange python]

I think I held it assuming I'd only get two casts off, but will do

[limber lion]

Never hold the first few casts

Only look to sync the very last cast, if at all.

[strange python]

Kk

Though changing to necro today anyways xD

[limber lion]

Welp.

Well yeah, anyways, nothing really major.

Just keep slamming Shiv on CD

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Keep your bleeds up (garrote dropped once)

And starve yourself before mechanics

And you're gucci

[strange python]

K, so gear the main detractor then?

[limber lion]

Well

A lot of things

[strange python]

And those two that I can obviously fix

[thorny pond]

Sin has a lot of small nuance that adds up

[limber lion]

Gear, fight length, not having a monk in the group

etc

Just missing a monk is a giga hit on your dps

You should never really run a comp without a monk in mythic.

[strange python]

Yeah we have a healing monk who puts it up but I think he sat a few last night

[woeful glade]

Making sure I'm seeing this right, are we opening with bone spike as necro?

Spike -> Slice?

[thorny pond]

SBS Snd Mut

[tulip nacelle]

yes

[thorny pond]

with MA

[winged basin]

So pure ST we going subtlety?

[limber lion]

If you want.

I'm staying Sin

But have fun.

[woeful glade]

Is Sub simming higher?

[limber lion]

On single target, yes.

Quite a bit as well.

[woeful glade]

The f...

[thorny pond]

Sin still have that cleave

[winged basin]

I was gonna mention that, any targets introduced we pull ahead

Just thought that was interesting seeing how much more sub simmed kyrian

[bleak sky]

just go on PTR and test both specs out

craft the bis shit, get the sylv daggers

[woeful glade]

Yea let me just go do that 😛

[bleak sky]

I've been practicing sub since yesterday and good god, sub feels so good

[woeful glade]

I fucking hate sub

I mean, okay, I don't HATE it

But I do not like the "random" cp, even with a WA that tracks it

[limber lion]

Yeah it's not really random

[woeful glade]

And seeing as they are making it more often, I'm gonna probably hate it even more 😛

[limber lion]

But you don't have to play it.

I'm playing Assa on progression

[thorny pond]

Play sin, very viable

[limber lion]

and nothing but Assa

[rich wren]

yup

[woeful glade]

Yea I know how it works just not sure how to phrase it 😛

[rich wren]

it's a nice assa raid

[woeful glade]

Yea I'm doing Ass/Outlaw for any heavy cleave fights

[bleak sky]

I'll be playing sub/sin for sure

[woeful glade]

honestly i would assume you'd probably want either sub/outlaw or sin/outlaw

[limber lion]

Well it depends right

If you're a person who only raids, then you'd want to go sub/sin as Venthyr

[bleak sky]

I don't really like playing outlaw

[woeful glade]

Fair

[bleak sky]

and I'm not pushing keys on my rogue so

[limber lion]

If you only want to play one spec, then you'd just choose the best covenant for whichever spec

[strange python]

is necro the play for assa?

[limber lion]

If you want to do m+, you probably want some sort of variation with Outlaw

[limber lion]

Yes, for most things.

[bleak sky]

as soon as the fight is more than 1 target, ya

and in M+ as well

[woeful glade]

I just switched to Necro, already got both Kyrian and Venthyr at 40 but

[red plaza]

Also pvp necro is BIS

[woeful glade]

We'll see I guess...

[red plaza]

For those who like that mini game 😂

[strange python]

haven't played in months but looking for a chance to switch covs. i feel disgusted with myself for being night fae on an UD rogue

[limber lion]

I'm just staying Necro myself.

[limber lion]

Not only does Necro pump as sin, it would also fit thematically.

Would recommend.

[bleak sky]

Necro single target feels pretty good as well

the gemstone windows are GOOD

they feel good to pop off on

[woeful glade]

I'm not gonna lie, I HATE the necro theme, but I like the way the ability plays so it's really nice

And yea the gemstone windows seem good

[tardy sluice]

what happened with the raid buff we were going to get?

[tulip nacelle]

[delicate bone]

noone said when this would happen lol

wait for 10.0

[indigo mulch]

Ey! Your green now @limber lion

[rustic whale]

i would have my kid when it is on

[winged basin]

Not this again

bUt bLizZaRd said

[untold nest]

@limber lion GZZZZZ

[main forge]

It's coming in the patch with the buff to Pickpocketing and Recuperate interaction

[gusty mirage]

Always has been, at least in my heart

[untold nest]

I mean the man deserved it. Havent ever seen him not here helping ppl. Started to doubt he slept at some point :D

[keen swallow]

what slot do i craft zoldycks?

[gusty mirage]

Legs

[tacit wedge]

legs

[gusty mirage]

Crit/haste

[grim jay]

we just caught him today bareback trolling someone

[scenic root]

The question is, what's the play for m+, sin or sub( for someone who refuses to play outlaw)

[keen swallow]

okay cheers - is crit / haste the stats for assass and then sim your stats?

[tacit wedge]

Cev blasted me a few hours ok but it's ok

[gusty mirage]

In 9.1? Sub

[tacit wedge]

i do have deserved it

[delicate bone]

why is your name yellow?

begone

[scenic root]

Your name is yellow too

[grim jay]

[keen swallow]

is sub good for 9.1 m+?

[gusty mirage]

Yeppers. You could sim it to make sure but crit/haste is usually a good bet

[delicate bone]

but i dont refuse to play outlaw 😄

[gusty mirage]

Yes, it’s comparable with outlaw so far in the early sims

[keen swallow]

okay

[scenic root]

I have learned my ways and and left that spec, just never updated my tags

It's a reminder of how bad rng is

[delicate bone]

rng barely effects outlaw, no more or less than others. This is #assassination however so i wont divulge too much 😄

[gusty mirage]

Not to get off topic, but there isn’t much rng variance in outlaw. Especially now with CTO conduit and the new rtb system/logic

Kinda shores up bad rolls

[scenic root]

Yes, so glad a borrowed power fixes a spec. :)

[delicate bone]

lmfao

i cant

your gear is a borrowed power

play naked

[gusty mirage]

It would’ve been just fine even without the new conduit. The new rtb cut down significantly on fishing for buffs

[fallen arch]

It is?

[gusty mirage]

Yep

[fallen arch]

Fuck me sideways

[gusty mirage]

Buffs are giga, it does comparable damooj to outlaw now

[fallen arch]

Pls let them nerf sub into the ground again

[gusty mirage]

No 😦

Let our ninja brethren have some fun

They were sad like 90% of bfa

[fallen arch]

Ye guess thats true

[frosty cedar]

sub in raid or still sin?

[fallen arch]

But how far off are we sin boys gonna be?

[thorny pond]

Perfectly viable

[safe barn]

and 70% of legion too

iirc

[fallen arch]

Maybe it just has to be the sad spec

Like survival

[gusty mirage]

Either or are fine

[fallen arch]

Trash with a buff will still be trash

[hollow river]

If they would delete backstab it’d be best spec

[thorny pond]

Then what would we hit?

[hollow river]

SS

[thorny pond]

outside of dance?

[hollow river]

Nope

[frosty cedar]

im just thinkin cause the raid has a lot of aoe right - i actually have no idea how sub plays, never played it 😛

[hollow river]

Dance 100% uptime

[thorny pond]

https://tenor.com/view/jennifer-lawrence-j-law-yeah-okay-thumbs-up-sure-gif-5594534

[limber lion]

Not really.

[fallen arch]

Me neither, I’m getting worried the sub rogue in my guild is gonna go for my spot

[limber lion]

It's pretty st heavy this time around honestly.

But you're honestly fine playing sin, don't need to fotm hop to sub if you don't want to.

I'm sticking to Sin for the entirety of progression myself.

[balmy condor]

The green still throwing me off

[hollow river]

Same

[thorny pond]

Thanks for the sims Whispyr

[limber lion]

[plain thistle]

[keen swallow]

So im swapping to rogue as a main in 9.1. I take it I should craft doomblade on cloak on the wednesday?

[balmy condor]

Gotchu homie

[balmy condor]

Ye

[limber lion]

You should probably wait a week or two.

[thorny pond]

The stream was enjoyable

[balmy condor]

I don’t see dashing catching up

Tbh

It’s 0.5% or more for everything except kyrian

[limber lion]

Truue, heroic tuning might still spice things up

[balmy condor]

And kyrian bad

[limber lion]

Not sure how ham they wanna go

Why is it popping off on Kyrian exactly?

[grave bloom]

hello i have question. someone said sub dps is higher than sin at 9.1. but i think sub is really weak. although sub buff a little. i think it is just a little. can i see sim or such as??

on ST

[thorny pond]

check the pins

[limber lion]

Look at the pins, there's sims for both specs on their respective channels.

[thorny pond]

both channels

[limber lion]

Sub is like 300 dps ahead on 5min patchwork.

[cerulean nest]

so i started off sub, really loved it, parsed well, had fun. switched to sin to follow the meta, really enjoy it now, not quite as much as I did sub. if I mostly care about being optimal in raid, should I actually consider going back to sub?

[red plaza]

I mean, you just press a button

[cerulean nest]

nah but leggos and covenants and gearing etc

[loud light]

I mean, right now seems like you can't go wrong either way

[grave bloom]

im really sorry for my english... can you tell me what is pins????

[balmy condor]

Idk exactly, best guess it more energy/apm helps with the bron spawns and stuff

[loud light]

if you liked sub and will have more fun with that go for it

[balmy condor]

Look for that icon

[grave bloom]

ohh

[balmy condor]

In the top right

[grave bloom]

thx bro

[cerulean nest]

ugh. I just dont like multi-speccing. i like sticking to one and digging in. the choice rn is hard lol

[thorny pond]

play what you like

All 3 are honestly looking viable

don't let hype sway you

[safe barn]

whispyr

how affected by the daggers are the sims?

[thorny pond]

they aren't it's in the notes

[safe barn]

like, if the daggers get nerfed, is it gonna impact a lot?

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[kind dock]

Those sims in pins are without sylvanas daggers

[safe barn]

forgot to read that

nvm

[spice spire]

GIGA affected when they do in current iteration. HIGHLY doubt they won’t be tuned

They did circa 20% of damage which is not okay

[safe barn]

i was asking cuz the difference between sin and sub in st is not that high right now

but if the new gear makes a bigger gap

i might need to reroll

[thorny pond]

Like I typed above, play what you like

[balmy condor]

The gear is the same for both specs

[thorny pond]

both have pros and cons

[balmy condor]

Sub might gain like

A little

From the daggers

But the daggers are crazy op right now

So it’s not worth considering

[quasi grotto]

I'll be sticking to sin, down time on sub hurts too much on the dps

[winged basin]

Thought that was proven otherwise the other day?

[safe barn]

yeah i know that, cuz sub might be simming more than sin but i do not play better with that spec

[cerulean nest]

I'm so torn between sin and sub, my chest hurts

[winged basin]

Play what you enjoy

[cerulean nest]

i enjoy both

[thorny pond]

Then play both

[cerulean nest]

okay

[quasi grotto]

I enjoy both, sub a little more, but don't play OL so I don't fancy switching covenants

[thorny pond]

Plenty of tier to do both and plenty of fights playing to the strengths of both

[cerulean nest]

yeah you're right. I guess venthyr is the move then

[thorny pond]

I went back venth for that very reason

[sharp panther]

i like outlaw and sin (and necro) so hoping that stays viable

[thorny pond]

I expect to play both and while the cleave loss of necro is rough it's negligible

[strange python]

hi there assassination masters, i am a noob assass rogue- my sims say i should be able to get up to 3000 dps but i realistically only ever get to 2400-2500dps. i turned off buffs that werent in my party, so was wondering what are some noob tips for assass you could offter to help me eek out that last 500-600dps https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2F1oWQ1aebNkJNMe43b6bh

[thorny pond]

Can you link your logs kawaii?

[strange python]

i didnt log that fight so i was wondering just about generic tips at the moment since i dont have specifics for ya- just that recount and details both said i was 2400/2500 dps
will log a training dummy then shoot that log to ya

[thorny pond]

It's hard for us to tell you what you're doing wrong without seeing what you are doing

You simmed with bad talents

BS/DS or EP/Vig

Maybe pop into an LFR and get us some logs and we can look for you

[strange python]

i feel i never have enough energy if i dont play with vigor 😦 i was following the wowhead recommended talents

okie dokie i'll do a quick LFR boss!

[thorny pond]

Blindside/DS balances that out with free CPs

so it'll be slower by default

[loud light]

I mean, the 'generic tips' are just going to be keep high uptime on the boss, keep your bleeds up, use your shiv on cd and don't delay it, use vendetta/vanish on cd etc

[limber lion]

Why are you even simming/logging yourself if you're 176 ilvl?

There is literally no need for that whatsoever.

[strange python]

because i am a noob at rogue and want to see how i can get better now before even trying it into 9.1

[limber lion]

You should get your item level/soulbinds etc. up first

[scenic root]

I would say sub optimal. But at 176 ilvl having sub optimal talent doesn't matter. Learn the spec, get gear and you will get there

[strange python]

this is my first rogue ever ya know?

[old summit]

Is there anyway to check how much casted envenom on shiv window? (from warcraftlogs)

[loud light]

I mean, simcraft is not really a way to test what dps you should be doing

it's a gear comparison tool

[limber lion]

Sure but a lot of things change up when you get more gear and progression.

Like your talent choices will be different when you get more gear

Your soulbind will be different

You should be using Doomblade as well

[balmy condor]

Technically yeah, something you should give a shit about? No

[scenic root]

The point of a sim is to learn potential dps, but things like mechanics/movement can effect your dps.

[old summit]

ty

[strange python]

i do alot of different content and wowhead said to be using zoldyck since it is more flexible and helps with execute fights, which is sludge and alot of fights in the upcoming raid apparently

[limber lion]

You do NOT want to use Zoldyck on Sludge.

[safe barn]

should i cast shiv on cd even if i cant do envenom in that window?

[limber lion]

The only fight you'd use it on is mythic Sire and SLG.

So very very very unlikely that you'd use it before 9.1 at all.

[balmy condor]

Sludge is not an execute fight

[scenic root]

You could run it on sunking

[limber lion]

It's the best legendary for m+, so you definitely need one

[balmy condor]

Just cause health drops below 30 at some point, doesn’t mean it’s execute

[limber lion]

But you shouldn't blindly use it in raids.

[spice spire]

I guess All fights are execute fights

[strange python]

well wowhead made it seem like it was best to use zoldyck if you do a variety of content, so i went with that lol- guess i shouldnt listen to the internet- with my abilities/skill on this toon and the amt of soul ash u can get, this toon wont have doomblade for 2 weeks now 😦

[limber lion]

You'll have Doomblade next week.

9.1 drops in a week.

And you can infinitely farm it then.

[balmy condor]

Oh god

Please don’t link that shit

[limber lion]

Please don't listen to his guides for reference.

[strange python]

i used some ash from this week to make zoldyck so i wont be able to unless i infinitely farm it, but then i need to get more gear from 9.1 lol

[native kindle]

Oh, sorry

[spice spire]

Racials are huge

[native kindle]

I did a search

[balmy condor]

Infexious is a clown and a half

[scenic root]

Mechagnome best race

[native kindle]

Could find the answet

[strange python]

that's why i went with voidelf they said it was bis race

[native kindle]

Oh

Crap.

[limber lion]

He slaps that shit on for some easy monetary gain and to gain a following on Youtube/Twitch

[strange python]

wowhead too said it was super super good

[native kindle]

What is a good rogue source.

[limber lion]

How about

[balmy condor]

You’re here

[limber lion]

This channel

[balmy condor]

:P

[native kindle]

Hehe

True

[balmy condor]

If you want to see racial comparison

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[balmy condor]

Try those

[native kindle]

Sweet. Thanks!!

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/legendaries-to-recraft-for-patch-9-1-advice-from-wowheads-class-writers-322953 is this tru i have to wait for 9.1 anyways to get doomblade now since it needs to be on the back @limber lion ?

[craggy merlin]

that's some mad cute emoji's

[final star]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[craggy merlin]

and I thought rogue's were all evil etc.

[limber lion]

Yes.

You said earlier that it takes you 2 weeks to even get Ash for Doomblade

[old summit]

!pand

[limber lion]

So you're fine, because 9.1 drops in less than a week.

[limber lion]

What were you hoping to achieve with that command?

[old summit]

XD was looking for pandemic

[balmy condor]

I am evil

[limber lion]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[balmy condor]

I’ll fuck you up

[hollow river]

Not enough red names in the chat

[craggy merlin]

it just

[hollow river]

[craggy merlin]

no

[strange python]

so since i have zoldyck only for the moment, is it better to be using EP/Vig with zoldyck or Blindside/DeeperStrat?

[craggy merlin]

it doesn't compute

[balmy condor]

I’ll fuck you up

[craggy merlin]

there we go

that's better

[winged basin]

[limber lion]

Honestly your ilvl is so small that it doesn't matter

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter

But you would sim that

Legendaries don’t affect talents hardly at all

[spice spire]

I don’t want that inerva smoke

[alpine latch]

Bro that's racist..

[limber lion]

You could play EP/Subt/Vig on every boss and then run to a mythic dungeon after.

[strange python]

okie dokie so then leggos dont affect talents thats good to know

[burnt star]

Vigor feels better when switching to the class

Especialy if u dont know rogue

And at your ilvl.too

[alpine latch]

Vigor definitely helps at low ilevel

[burnt star]

U probly have weird haste

[strange python]

yea that's why i was doing vigor

[alpine latch]

As you get higher haste it's not needed

[strange python]

haste is 15% rn

but then alacrity

[alpine latch]

Rookie numbers, you gotta bump those up

47% haste is the minimum (this is sarcasm, don't actually listen to this advice)

[hollow river]

Stat weights are insignificant yo

[idle light]

@strange python with what you have been typing, vigor will be best

[grave bloom]

hey i saw sim. i think 300 dps gap between sub and sin is pretty big. maybe if there is difference like this at 9.1 i will probably swith to sub

[idle light]

Since you are learning, it will help you out if you mess up a gcd

[grave bloom]

but i wonder if i should go kyrian. do you guys prepare kyrian too????

[burnt star]

Could be different with dominion socket and the dagger too

[alpine latch]

Also important to note that it's a very early Sim and subject to change

[burnt star]

For dslice. Dominion socket wont mather though.

[alpine latch]

Yes it will

[burnt star]

Only worka in the maw

Not in m+

[balmy condor]

Won’t really

[alpine latch]

No, only the set bonus works in the maw

The gems themselves still work

[strange python]

dominion sockets will work in the raid too tho, no?

[burnt star]

The raid is in the maw

[spice spire]

Yes they do

[alpine latch]

He's saying for m+, but it's ONLY the Runeword Set Bonus that is tied to the Maw/Raid

The gems themselves work everywhere

[cerulean nest]

what kind of fights in SoD would outright favor Sub over Sin you think?

[strange python]

and ok thanks yall will be trying EP and vigor on stone from blood LFR and will post logs then

[balmy condor]

The gems work everywhere yeah

[burnt star]

Well i cant read? Thx for correcting.

[alpine latch]

For m+ we will probably want all 3 DPS gems, move speed and leech

But who knows

There's a few of the non-DPS ones that seem nice

[spice spire]

I do enjoy when release is a week away and not everything is implemented on PTR

[alpine latch]

Reminds me of old WoW when there weren't guides, you just went in and figured it the heck out.

[spice spire]

乃ㄩㄒ　乃尺ㄖㄒ卄乇尺　爪ㄚ　丂丨爪丂

[strange python]

does 9.1 look like it will be shaking up EP always with Vig && BS always with DS?

[balmy condor]

They’re just as close as right now

[limber lion]

As long as EP/DS isn't a thing, we're gucci.

[thorny pond]

lmao

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t seem so from what I saw

[arctic walrus]

whispyr what's the other slot for db, cloak?

and obedience other than helm

[limber lion]

Cloak for both

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[cerulean nest]

why are you sticking Sin for prog @limber lion ? jw

[limber lion]

I enjoy the playstyle more and perform better on it generally.

Less thought goes into playing the spec and more into the actual mechanics and whatnot

It's a comfort pick for sure.

[cerulean nest]

gotcha

i basically feel the same. but I remember loving the fast speed of sub even though it took a bit more brain power

i hate the thought of leaving necro though

[limber lion]

I can see myself playing Sub on the ST heavy encounters

But not so much on the cleave/aoe stuff.

[cerulean nest]

but you're def staying necro huh

[limber lion]

Yes

[cerulean nest]

for sure

[obtuse quest]

are you guys going to play assa venth on realease?

[balmy condor]

I am

[alpine latch]

Sin Necrolord for me

[thorny pond]

yep

[alpine latch]

40 DPS isn't strong enough for me to swap

[safe barn]

i mostly play sin for raid and outlaw for keys so

im gonna stay necro

[obtuse quest]

im a bit afraid because when everything is too close on sims etc we have to change a lot of times the build the legends etc

[arctic walrus]

if you want the all round pick that is close enough and allows you to flex freely between all 3 specs, necro is fine

if you want to refine the single target capabilities of your play, you would end up going venthyr

[obtuse quest]

yeah i think venthyr is they way to go if you are raid main

because tbh for aoe encounters rogue is not an option so we are going to be benched hahaha

[drowsy parcel]

[safe barn]

not really tho

never got benched in a prog

[limpid plinth]

but on cleave necro sin will pump

[safe barn]

but thats because my guild just aims for CE

[balmy condor]

Really depends on how shit your guild is

[safe barn]

no matter the rank

[balmy condor]

If you’re doing world first raiding, you’ll get benched sure

If you’re world 1000, maybe your raid lead is a sweaty tryhard who benches for nonsense reasons

[cerulean nest]

how much cleave is there in SoD?

like how often will Sub be more optimal?

[obtuse quest]

yeah thats true but i mean in aoe situations we are trash in my opinion (heavy aoe not cleave)

[gusty mirage]

I think there's 2 pure ST fights

[balmy condor]

Then play sub

[gusty mirage]

but I could be wrong, I haven't paid much attention to the fights

[obtuse quest]

sub with the black powder etc is looking good in aoe?

[thorny pond]

very

[arctic walrus]

black powder on bar only evis

[obtuse quest]

well so we are going to have the 3 spec useful xd

[limber lion]

Yes.

[obtuse quest]

never seen before hahaha

[regal cape]

Wait I've heard this one before. Sub looking alright at something. How long till blizzard notices

[balmy condor]

Happened quite often in legion

[arctic walrus]

well, I'd argue sin is the lowest prio/least useful and you'd only see sub/outlaw played. Its ST is behind, and any cleave scenario usually tends to have a prio target which sub can exploit easier

[whole mason]

Errr, you mean sin is not that competitive ?

[arctic walrus]

it'll take a bit to pick up though, until you unlock ord and loot daggers

[safe barn]

so,

sin will be the underdog again

[obtuse quest]

but for the firts month of the patch i think sin is going to be the bis on st sub will need gear renow and the daggers

[thorny pond]

Competitive is relative. For WF raiding they are comp stacking

[gusty mirage]

Some extra fried and spicy hot takes today

[safe barn]

i'll most likely be asked by my RL to reroll if that continues to be the case

sad tho

but it is what it is

[obtuse quest]

for wf melees are trash i think hahahah

[regal cape]

Tbh I was under the impression sin was looking incredibly solid with the option to swap into execute for prog

🤷‍♂️

[whole mason]

Yea, I understand that. What if just compared to other melee classes?

[thorny pond]

Hard to say how they'll shake it out

We don't bring raid buff

but I don't know tank comp yet

so

or do they stack HPals again

lots of variables

[whole mason]

Fair enough. Thanks

[cerulean nest]

here's another question. aren't the stats gonna be shitty if I'm switching between sin and sub. like having a ton of haste for sin will be shit for sub and vice versa (inb4 fuck secondary stats blah blah)

[balmy condor]

Yes to all that

[nimble tartan]

i mean could still be the case, imagine a scenario where all tuning for 9.1 was at start of cn, prob go sin/outlaw early then to sub with gear and then prob back to sin for sire p3 execute

[regal cape]

Like melee aren't the greatest but my guild has 2 range swapping to melee and bringing our melee stack to 6. Is it optimal, probably not. But we also killed mythic Danny with no hpal and 5 priests

[nimble tartan]

its always possible u play sin on some fights like fallen avatar style even if sub was good

[cerulean nest]

so how do I reconcile that? lol

[nimble tartan]

m+ spam

[balmy condor]

Get more gear or deal with it

[nimble tartan]

steal gear

[strange python]

are the early sims accounting for Mnemonic Equipment from bonesmith?

[cerulean nest]

I guess so

[balmy condor]

Yes

[strange python]

kk thx

[humble ginkgo]

doesnt sin just beat sub in 2t tho?

it also beats OL on 2t

and I saw some 2t-3t fights

[thorny pond]

Sin is highly versatile yes

[obtuse quest]

sin is a monster in 2 targets rn sub cant do anything I think

[soft shale]

sin destroys sub on 2t and 3t

outlaw too on 2t 3t depends

[nimble tartan]

depends on what type of fight it is like someone mentioned earlier is it quick burst like what darkvein ended up being or more like huntsman with elongated actual 2t

depends

[soft shale]

darkvein was actually quite cleavey first weeks

when you were 212 ilvl

but now its full st almost

[obtuse quest]

darveink now is full st hahaha

[sour wraith]

throw bonespikes on adds and call it a day

[halcyon blade]

so as a brand new rogue, what is the spec to go if i want to get into mythic raiding? cause i leveled as sin and loved it

[nimble tartan]

sin if u new

[limber lion]

Just stick to sin then.

They're all in a very good spot.

Outlaw maybe less than the other 2, at least in a raiding scenario.

[halcyon blade]

ok, just my guild has never had a rogue and i want to show them that its worth taking

glad i can be sin <£

[loud light]

if you're familiar with sin and like it then it'll definitely be good in raid

[obtuse quest]

yeah sin will perform good at least at the start of the new tier

[halcyon blade]

thanks

[safe barn]

but hey

be ready to listen to ppl asking you to reroll to sub or something

if things stick as they are rn

im not saying you should tho

[outer iris]

Hey guys ! 🙂 How is assa looking for 9.1? Will it be good for M+? And what it seems like the best Covenant? Playing with Venthyr right now, shall i lvl up something before the patch for lvl 40, or Venthyr will do it?

thank you for your help !!

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

Looks not great in m+, fine in raid

[halcyon blade]

its ok i enjoy that too, i'm just very fond of daggers stabby stab stab

dont want to be forced into combat

[burnt star]

Sub is looking great in m+ though

U dont have to be combat

AND.. sin is good up for m+ at the lvl most people play

[odd hazel]

Sin can easily do 20+

[alpine latch]

Sin was running what, 25s in 9.0.5? Means it'll probably hit 27-28 in 9.1

[burnt star]

Ya. Exacly

[halcyon blade]

i really enjoy the triple silecne opener of sin in m+

[alpine latch]

It's highly underrated IMO

[obtuse quest]

I think the problems that sin has on m+ are the comps because we have to multi dot everything and its impossible with a fire mage in the party :C

[alpine latch]

Biggest problem Sin has is that it's not played in the MDI and people think only MDI comps work

[odd hazel]

Outlaw doesn’t always perform well

Just depends on your comp like palm said

Fire mage is fed heavily

And with decent pulls outlaw is giga

[halcyon blade]

yea i mean M+ i am not to worried about numbers, i tend to do KSM 15 levels and leave it at that - its the raid where i need to pump cause my guild dont think rogue is worth taking

[burnt star]

U play N.S with M.A leggo with a comp like that

[alpine latch]

I'll probably push 20s

And then farm 15s over and over for carry sales

[burnt star]

Even if they burst a pact.. u will still come.out at 8k+ damage on that pack

[soft shale]

first weeks 15s will be super good money

[alpine latch]

I can't sell the first few weeks

I never got my IO up high enough because I was switching factions

I want to sell 10/10H clears but I'm not a CE raider so it's basically impossible for me to do that.

[soft shale]

well i only have 1.5k io but you just get a group going and blast some 18-19

then can sell np

[alpine latch]

I'm 1336

I tried so hard to get 1337

[strange python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kgrWVcBh8Y1Gwyx2 just finished LFR on shriek sludge and generals

[balmy condor]

that report is either private or doesn't exist

[strange python]

i did the elab planning and the vigor like u suggested

[soft shale]

you left it unlisted or private

[strange python]

it should work now?

[balmy condor]

yep

next question

which one are you

[strange python]

prettythief

lol

[balmy condor]

should refresh yourself on openers

I'm guessing you precast slice?

[strange python]

what do u mean refresh yourself on openers? edit yes i had slice and dice up before

[balmy condor]

that opener is really really awkward

you also only cast vanish once

also vanish within vendetta and shiv

never just alone

[alpine latch]

Why are you using Emblamer's Oil?

[balmy condor]

this opener on sludge is better

ut still not great

wait

are you casting garrote on cooldown

[strange python]

i have been yea

[spice spire]

Overcapping on Mut as well

[balmy condor]

yeah stop that

garrote is a dot

let it tick

[strange python]

should i be using double shadowcore?

[alpine latch]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't worry about consumables or gear

that's just setup

there's very large, core rotational issues

[strange python]

that's what i figure since i am so new to it

[alpine latch]

That's true, just the first thing I noticed on his Summary

🙂

[balmy condor]

so vanish + vendetta together, on cooldown

garrote and rupture during pandemic

don't spam them

[strange python]

what is pandemic?

[balmy condor]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[balmy condor]

if you're at 4 cp, finish, don't mutilate

[dawn pike]

you can also get wa's to tell you when to refresh

[balmy condor]

your shivs look good

that's something most logs get wrong

but you're just slamming it on cooldown

keep doing that

[strange python]

i try to use shiv on cooldown that was one of the few things from wowhead that was good then 🙂

[limber lion]

Yeh, slam that shit.

[cerulean nest]

someone say shiv slam?

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

uptimes are generally okay as well

[oak sky]

Pretty cringe how outlaw and sub dont slam shiv

[balmy condor]

just gotta stop hitting garrote every 6 seconds

and then use your cooldowns better

[soft shale]

you can use shiv its just a little loss

although if they make the 25% as work on bosses

we may join the shiv spammers

[meager yacht]

So i've been out of the loop for the past 4 months, subbing back today, sin is looking insane right?

[balmy condor]

wouldn't say that

[soft shale]

pretty fine on st and 2t 3t cleave

[balmy condor]

the cleave is good

the single target is competitive to sub

[spice spire]

Sin is looking fine. Not insane but fine with really good 2-3t

[balmy condor]

but "insane" is stretching it

[spice spire]

It’s looking medium

[cerulean nest]

alright I'm going venth sub, fine

[spice spire]

Proud of you

Do what the heart tells you

[cerulean nest]

the return of fast fingies

[vestal wren]

sin is usually the better progression spec

[cerulean nest]

alright I'm going sin, fine

[vestal wren]

so i wouldn't worry about picking wrong when going assassination

esp. with current tuning

[spice spire]

Sin is always good for prog

[cerulean nest]

why

[vestal wren]

its not always

it was bad in 9.0

[spice spire]

Hence the copium

[cerulean nest]

like what about is better for prog specifically?

[oak sky]

This time isnt it partly the daggers

[spice spire]

Easier to keep uptime, not as punished for movement due to bleeds etc. but in general it’s not REALLY. It’s just forgiving

[safe barn]

is it because sub is more demanding in timings?

[vestal wren]

its because sub is more punishing

and you often want to focus on raid mechanics over your rotation

assassination can do that very good

also sin historically had very good downtime damage

[cerulean nest]

that makes sense

[oak sky]

yo can you get renown randomly from a calling or only if its a listed rewar

[gusty mirage]

It has to be listed as a reward

[oak sky]

kk

wont do my calling today then

[gusty mirage]

Yeah fuck that calling

[oak sky]

time to look for pug groups

🙂

[gusty mirage]

Good luck may the renown rng gods be with you

[oak sky]

i only need like 4 more to 31

[gusty mirage]

You can also spam normal and heroic dungeons for what it’s worth

[oak sky]

yea

rather do some raid pugs first prob

[gusty mirage]

Get some juicy anima too

[plain thistle]

1 letter from the cursed word

[gusty mirage]

Fuck that scaling too

[oak sky]

is whispyr here

[gusty mirage]

Sí he’s around here somewhere

[oak sky]

well

no raid pugs

every day another sign i should swap horde

[vestal wren]

he was typing earlier

[oak sky]

o yeah

[vestal wren]

but what do you need specifically? if you ask the question its possibly that somone else can answer it

[oak sky]

oh i was just making a joke about the scaling

[vestal wren]

oh

[limber lion]

[soft shale]

too soon

next week when we're inting because raid is not up yet

[plain thistle]

[vestal wren]

you can't int

if the raid isn't up

[soft shale]

what do you mean i will have 3 windows open flipping ah

i need war funds

for boes

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

Imagine not having a gbank reserve for boes

[vestal wren]

can image that

[ashen oriole]

Apologies if Im asking something again, its just not yet clear to me. When opening in a pack of 4 adds. What will be my first finisher. CT or SnD?

[gusty mirage]

The bank of oxi, conveniently located in area 52 US-Horde < Huge Dmg Bro > has 2.5 million ready

[gusty mirage]

Snd

[balmy condor]

Snd first if you don't have it

[ashen oriole]

seems really counterintuitive @balmy condor can you explain why? Isnt it all dependant from perhaps how long the pack will live etc? I feel like lagging behind if I do SnD first...
My thoughts are the benefits of having bleeds rolling on numerous targets outweigh the auto attack speed.

[balmy condor]

snd gives ridiculous value across an entire dungeon since you cast it once and then never again

[ashen oriole]

So if I am losing it at some point during the dungeon I did something wrong

[balmy condor]

or you have too much downtime between packs

yea

[gusty mirage]

Melee auto attacks are a huge part of our damage even in aoe, so that’s why you want to snd

[balmy condor]

envenoming to keep snd up

is the highest priority thing you could basically ever do

[soft shale]

you can also use turnip before key begins

and get a 5cp or 6 cp slice

and actually never cast it

[balmy condor]

yeah

[soft shale]

ar anatomical dummy

and there was another one but forgot

[ashen oriole]

5head

MfD SnD before opening with the garrotes?

is that also valid?

[balmy condor]

yeah

can do that on the first pack

and then you'd want to mfd for CT/rup/env for the rest

[ashen oriole]

Super, thank you both @balmy condor @soft shale Clarified a lot for me. 🙂

[soft shale]

you get super value on those cps

[ashen oriole]

those CPs being the dummy / MFD ones?

[quick vale]

When should I sbs in opener ?

[thorny pond]

SBS SnD Mut

[quick vale]

Great ty for the help

[ashen portal]

this guid says to recraft doomblade on back...but it cant be crafted on a back, or do I miss anything?

[thorny pond]

It can in 9.1

[strange python]

in 9.1 the new sockets will be on certain slots and to compensate blizz is makign leggos available on slots w/o the new sockets

[alpine latch]

Wait until Tuesday. A lot of legendaries got additional slots in 9.1

[ashen portal]

ohhh, ic 😄 thanks 😄

[west geode]

Wtb soul ash refund

[ashen oriole]

ngh

[balmy condor]

soul ash is infinitely farmable in 9.1

no need

[gusty mirage]

Don’t worry. You can just farm your heart out

[ashen oriole]

We are expected to play the super fun content to farm it

[soft shale]

just buy torg boosts make me money

[gusty mirage]

[ashen oriole]

selfplay doesnt solve the issue 😄

[west geode]

Lol

[fallen arch]

Yeah we’re gonna have loads of forced fun in infinite torgie