assassination

[dusk basalt]

maybe i should do that now

[modern heart]

#assassination message

[north basin]

why recraft btw? chances we get things in first month on shoulder/hands slots not that big. for 90% of population

[indigo mulch]

From what i've heard atleast. You can only have 3 of the sockets activated outside of the maw / sanctum of domination right?

I'm not 100% sure about that one though.

[modern heart]

there are 5? domination sockets, only the "base"gems work, the passive you get from equipping 3 of the same only work in maw related places

[indigo mulch]

Head, shoulders chest legs and boots is where we get the gems from i believe.

[north basin]

i think no reason to rush recraft, only if u have domination drops on leg slot

[ember jay]

chest, helmet, shoulders, gloves, boots

[modern heart]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/H5hsUjp72b7WIBFt-aye6aErzw6PMmKb_BiBuxbNKsA/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/297358986175578113/855390361000869908/unknown.png

idk where this is from, got linked in my guild discord yesterday

i wonder what "shaman"means

[indigo mulch]

There we go.

[void vessel]

hi what covenant is good for assa venth or necro

[warm parcel]

hunters have a cloak from slyv

shamans dont

[void vessel]

or waht is the best pick for covenant

[limber lion]

Necro

[north basin]

btw why blizz didnt fix texture flikering bugs in open world with rtx nvidia cards and dx12? its been half year of addon..

[vestal wren]

i don't think that there is a big enough userbase of rtx

[quasi grotto]

so finally tryingf to get zoldy from torghast

completed the correct in sub but wiht loot spec to sin

it didnt drop ?

[tulip nacelle]

lootspec doesn't matter

was it a layer 3+?

[quasi grotto]

yeah was on l8

[tulip nacelle]

then no reason it shouldn't drop if it was the right wing and you dont have it already

[velvet escarp]

did u finish the questline first? Friend of mine tried on his druid and the leggo didn't drop from the correct wing, even at L8. He had to finish some questline first

lemme try and find it

[quasi grotto]

hmmmm i havent completed the twisting corridors but surely hthats not a wall

[tulip nacelle]

you need to unlock the runecarver yea

[quasi grotto]

yeah ive got him

[tulip nacelle]

you don't need anything in tc

[gaunt flame]

hey guys, which covernent will be superiour for raiding as an assasination rogue?

necro?

9.1

[quasi grotto]

im stumped

[velvet escarp]

So you've already done this questline then? https://www.wowhead.com/quest=60272/the-weak-link

also we should probably take this to #wow-general

[tulip nacelle]

necro most likely yes

[quasi grotto]

yeah quest is done id assme. ive been playing since release

got multiple memories

[velvet escarp]

U can check by running this script in game: /run print(C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(60272))

Or check for the achievement "The Forgotten One"

Here's the support article for this issue: https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/279012

wait, if you already have other rogue legendaries, this shouldn't be an issue then. Either you already have it, or just try to run it once more

[quasi grotto]

yeah i switched to sin after the buffs

so i already have multiple leggos

and that quest is defintely completed

[velvet escarp]

But the Zoldyk memory is grayed out in your Powers tab?

[quasi grotto]

yep !

i have submitted a ticket

[velvet escarp]

🤷‍♂️ good luck

[quasi grotto]

couldnt overlap the 2 annoyingly

[velvet escarp]

that is one heck of a bug lol

well someone submitted a ticket and got it mailed to them, so maybe you'll have the same response: https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/memory-did-not-drop-from-torghast/258324/5

[upper wasp]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[sharp sand]

so necro is most likely the best right, is venthyr still viable or should i switch?

[tame ravine]

best for AoE and really close to venthyr in ST

[vestal wren]

we had this discussion earlier today, if you want a more detailed view you can read it up:
#assassination message

else: both venthyr and necro are good

[tame ravine]

no need to rush into a decision though

[sharp sand]

thanks guys helped a lot

[upper wasp]

Hi guys, there's a section in discord where i can find UI interface?

[vestal wren]

we don't offer more than some suggestions for weakauras

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[upper wasp]

oh ty

[scenic meteor]

I have 235 doomblade on gloves, do I need to craft them in another piece because of the 9.1 socket stuff?

[frank jetty]

you should on cloak yeah

[scenic meteor]

What about zoldycks on boots are they ok?

[frank jetty]

check the pins

first post explains everything you might want to know 🙂

[scenic meteor]

Thanks

[dim shoal]

Are there some updated sims?

[vestal wren]

there are sims/information in the pins

[dim shoal]

But none for comparing the specs right?

Like numbers wise

[vestal wren]

what do you want to know?

[dim shoal]

ST Cleave numbers to be precise

How far Assa is ahead in some aspects compared to outlaw/sub

[vestal wren]

subtlety and assassination both will be about equal on st, outlaw behind

[dim shoal]

I know its ptr and all, but im just curious

[vestal wren]

outlaw/sin will be ahead on cleave by ~10-20% above subtlety

[spice spire]

Oh, sims for 9.1 aren’t out yet

[dim shoal]

5 Targets Sub/Outlaw, and anything more Sub right?

[vestal wren]

in aoe, it rly comes down to the target count

subtlety gets better in aoe on higher target counts

[dim shoal]

Oh man it sounds like 9.0 release all over again

[vestal wren]

no

9.0 subtlety was about on bar with outlaw on st

and assassination was just bad

[dim shoal]

now with assa

youre right

[vestal wren]

now we have assassination on par with sub

[dim shoal]

mb :d i forgot assa wasnt there at release

[vestal wren]

and outlaw slightly behind

[frank jetty]

I guess BiS Combination would be like Assa for Raid (ST) and Outlaw for M+ and Raid(Cleave Fight) am I right?

[dim shoal]

Shuriken Tornado Sub is pretty good in M+ afaik

[vestal wren]

how good/bad subtlety is in m+

will highly depend on the pull sizes

[indigo mulch]

I mean you generally double pull in m+

So its almost always atleast 4 targets.

Unless you do ultra high keys then you jusy pull as much as your tank can kite kekw

I actually wanna try the new sub in m+

[vestal wren]

targets don't die at the same time usually

what means you can have a 4 target pull an have 2 of the targets die off fast

also 4 targets are probably not the amount of targets that subtlety will beat the other specs

[indigo mulch]

Yeps

[rigid pine]

Depends on the dungeon too I guess

[indigo mulch]

But 4 targets is prob to small but it depends on thr tank/healer and the dungeons ofc

[north basin]

on dena and remornia with necrolord, u just throw bone on each one and forget about it til the end off the fight? and ofc casting 1bone on dena every 30 sec for cp and damage purposes? thats the overall strategy?

[vestal wren]

you still want to use sbs

to not cap on charges

[peak bobcat]

Gemstone windows

[north basin]

so u have 2ongoing dots on dena+remornia and ur sbs restack to 3?

thought its restack to 1.

[peak bobcat]

It recharges back to 3

[north basin]

zz why i didnt change cov when i was doing dena months ago,,, seems like go to cov.

much more convenient than vanthyr stacks play

[peak bobcat]

It’s definitely good. Venthyr does feel nice when destroying one target

Venthyr is very fire and forget you don’t really change anything about your rotation

[north basin]

i was just overviewing fight when i was trying to do 20+ stacks on flag and trying to maximize my haste window, so lame

i could just pick necro and relax

[sonic schooner]

yea that s what i like with necro, it s just less to deal with

[north basin]

and comparable results, thats important too, its not 800+ dps swing or something,

u just do + - 150 dps and have much less headache

[timid talon]

When is it worth using deeper strat over vigor? The guides mostly suggest vigor but logs show people using deeper or even MfD sometimes - is there a reason?

[gusty mirage]

In 9.0? When you’re playing blindside

[timid talon]

And with 9.1 the same mindset applies?

[gusty mirage]

Blindside/deeper sims a bit better for people (especially venthyr). Until the sims are out for 9.1, the best we can speculate is it’ll probably still be EP/Vigor or Blindside/Deeper Strata still unless the new soulbind stuff and influx of secondaries change that

[vestal wren]

EB might become better with higher gear, but overall bs will likely remain the dominant choice

deeper/vigor/etc is very gear dependent if i remember it right

[gusty mirage]

Yeah higher secondaries (crit and haste) can make deeper beat vigor

But afaik they’re pretty close as is

Like sub 50dps

[scenic meteor]

Ah so if I’m staying venthyr it’s looking like blind/deeper for ST?

[vestal wren]

you will probably just run sims on it

[gusty mirage]

Most likely yeah unless something really changes with the 9.1 stuff being implemented

[indigo mulch]

I mean, we get crit/haste on every single piece D:

[bitter canyon]

Does anyone know if there’s a bug with skulkers where it sometimes doesn’t proc?

[indigo mulch]

outside of weapon and a ring i believe

From just raidgear

[scenic meteor]

Ok so I have to recraft doomblade on cloak and zoldyck on leggings

/cry

[bitter canyon]

Used it on a boss in a key last night and it just never procced. Had the buff and it just expired

[gusty mirage]

You have to like run away from the target a bit to force it to jump. It’s a weird trinket tbh

[bitter canyon]

bRuH

[indigo mulch]

dis

[bitter canyon]

alright thanks

[indigo mulch]

Very annoying to use at times.

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it’s weird lol

[limber lion]

Especially for Necro, EP is the likely choice honestly.

[bitter canyon]

Much appreciated, was worried it sometimes would glitch out and not trigger

[limber lion]

We're already playing EP/Vig on most fights as they sim very very similarly.

[gusty mirage]

Good morning @limber lion

[vestal wren]

tbh i rly like new patches

so much things to discover and experiment with

[limber lion]

And BS/DS falls off on multiple targets.

[indigo mulch]

I think ep/vig will prob be the best once we are decked with sanctum.

[scenic meteor]

Hiya @limber lion

[limber lion]

Good evening

[limber lion]

Yo!

[scenic meteor]

Is it evening for you 🙂

[real solar]

Hi dad @limber lion

[limber lion]

Yep, 4:42pm here

[indigo mulch]

HES FROM THE FUTURE

[limber lion]

hello son

[gusty mirage]

It’s why he’s so smart, don’t tell anyone the secret

[bitter canyon]

I heard the new necrolord legendary was actually worse than Zoldycks for m+ since it’s 0 gain in ST fights

[indigo mulch]

[limber lion]

Not necessarily, really depends how well it performs in aoe.

But yeh, very likely.

[indigo mulch]

I mean... depends on how long the execute phase is of the boss 😄

[bitter canyon]

Is the venthyr legendary better?

[limber lion]

Nah, it's pretty bad

[bitter canyon]

o o f

[gusty mirage]

I wish they would’ve fixed the cleave spikes flurrying for outlaw and kept all the bonus charges

[limber lion]

Ok, back to eating and sunbathing

Bye boys <3

[real solar]

bye dad

[gusty mirage]

Enjoy friend

[bitter canyon]

outlaw

[vestal wren]

i am unsure if MA comes back in m+

not nessecerly for assassination but for outlaw

[willow eagle]

For outlaw probably

[tulip nacelle]

most likely yes

[willow eagle]

But I assume the stigma on 20+ keys will make greeenskin the popular choice

[gusty mirage]

Having essentially a 45s cooldown on vanish makes MA nuts for outlaw tbh

[vestal wren]

assassination just has very strong options like zoldy/dashing/doomblade that should work well in m+ too

[real solar]

As much as I hated Prideful - pride + MA + KS was insane damage

[indigo mulch]

I really like the concept of dashing, i'm actually really sad its not our top one.

[brazen rampart]

do you use SBS on pull with MA?

[indigo mulch]

Yes

replace your first mutilate with sbs

[devout temple]

are the fire/balance nerfs big in 9.1? i hate how much dmg fire can do in m+

[vestal wren]

i don't think so

[limber lion]

Yes, here in the fire mage discord, yes.

[devout temple]

lol

[limber lion]

But no, they are still not target capped

So they do massive damage by design

Compared to everyone else stuck at 6-8 targets

[ember jay]

balance still took a big hit compare to how they are now

doesnt mean its not still broken

[devout temple]

how far behind is sin from combat

[limber lion]

They are definitely worse on cleave/st

[limber lion]

In m+?

[devout temple]

ya

[limber lion]

Currently they are very similar in damage.

Outlaw just has way more utility

[devout temple]

ooh i see

[limber lion]

Outlaw is still the preferred spec

And does more upfront damage

[fallen arch]

But way more means gouge, right? Or am I missing something else

I struggle to slam out more dps tbh as outlaw

[limber lion]

Gouge and Acrobatic Strikes mainly

[fallen arch]

As opposed to assassination, which I like wayy better

[limber lion]

Each to their own, it's not a spec for everyone.

I do fine on both, but I just enjoy sin a lot more

[fallen arch]

Also, Garrote is not to be underestimated?

[devout temple]

ya i find sin fun been playing it since tbc (i know it sucked intbc)

[limber lion]

So I tend to perform better on it as well

[devout temple]

more fun*

[fallen arch]

It’s 3 silences

[limber lion]

Iron Wire is great, yes

[fallen arch]

1-2x per pack

[limber lion]

But it's always on the opener

[devout temple]

as long as it doesn't suck in m+ i dont mind if its behind outlaw

[limber lion]

Or if you have your vanish up

It's not really as on-demand

[fallen arch]

Thats true

[limber lion]

Definitely does not suck

No worries

[devout temple]

nice

[fallen arch]

And I fucking hate pirates

So there’s that

[devout temple]

cause at start of SL i really missed that garrote trait

[limber lion]

I average 7-8.5k dps depending on the dungeon.

[limber lion]

Yeah we're not super garrote-heavy anymore

Our damage comes from multiple things, not just the first 3 garrotes in a pack lol

[devout temple]

hah

[scenic meteor]

When hitting a pack of 4, after I have garrotted all 4 is SnD the next priority or CT?

[limber lion]

You want to have SnD up through the entire dungeon

You apply it once in the beginning

And maintain it 24/7 with Envenom

If you're missinh SnD, apply it

[scenic meteor]

Yeah so use envenoms to keep it up

Ok

[limber lion]

You should only hardcast it in the very first pack of the dungeon

Then you maintain it with Envenom and with leftover CP's from packs

[scenic meteor]

And on 4 targets is it garrotte 3 empowered then one normal, then CT, then rupture all targets

Ok

[limber lion]

Yes pretty much

Which cov are you?

[scenic meteor]

I’m staying venthyr, I enjoy flaggelation a lot more than sbs

[limber lion]

Fair enough

[scenic meteor]

I’m not doing any high end content so it doesn’t matter

[limber lion]

Just press that before CT and you're gucci

Don't hold it too much

[scenic meteor]

Press flag before CT? sure

[limber lion]

Slam that boy as much as possible

Same with Vanish/Vendetta

[scenic meteor]

Yeah and just vendetta the biggest mob in the pack?

[limber lion]

Ye

Saving cds for bosses/prides when necessary

[scenic meteor]

Yeah okay

[frigid kestrel]

I use to pop my Flag on prio targets and try and FOK -> Rupture/CT/Envenom spam as fast as possible to spend them CP’s. Like Arbilists and things of that nature

[scenic meteor]

Is sbs really ahead venth on aoe? I just prefer flaggelation

[limber lion]

Yep

[limber lion]

Very much so

But if you're not doing super high content, it doesn't matter too much

Just play Flag, it's fine

Enjoy the game

No point playing something you dislike

[scenic meteor]

Yeah 🙂

[limber lion]

For slightly more dps

[scenic meteor]

I prefer sinfall to seat of primus

I know that’s stupid to some

[limber lion]

Sinfall is the best sanctum

[scenic meteor]

Yeah the aoe dummy’s in sinfall are Nice

Necro don’t have any aoe dummies

[whole bluff]

I liked the Kyrian one, you can use mounts in bastion

[polar cape]

@limber lion kyrian is the best wdym cant fall asleep from the bench from how bright it is

[scenic meteor]

That’s my problem with bastion - way too bright for me

[whole bluff]

Just use the darkmoon potion

[limber lion]

[mortal quiver]

Hey guys new here. Been reading through everything which of course takes forever. Did i read it right though that our bis covenant is now necro?

[scenic meteor]

Yeah it is

Way ahead on aoe and pretty close to venthyr in ST

[limber lion]

Yup

[scenic meteor]

@limber lion have you re-crafted doomblade on cloak and zoldyck on leggings?

[limber lion]

We can't recraft on cloak yet

We get the slot when 9.1 drops

I'm just waiting for now

[scenic meteor]

Ah okay

[limber lion]

Not doing anything before heroic week probably

Just saving everything

[scenic meteor]

So I’ll just save my soul ash 🙂

[limber lion]

Need to see the sims before making any hasty decisions :p

[scenic meteor]

Also can I just craft doomblade on cloak at rank 5? skipping other 9.0 ranks

When 9.1 comes out that is

[limber lion]

Yes, but you need the r4 base item pretty sure.

[scenic meteor]

Ah is there not new base pieces for the new upgrades?

[devout temple]

thats nice i really like necrolord

[limber lion]

We're not 100% sure yet

We're still waiting

[scenic meteor]

Yeah ok I won’t do anything yet then haha

[limber lion]

Ptr is so open and the vendors barely have anything

So it's hard to test stuff

[scenic meteor]

Just saving soul ash and money for 9.1

[limber lion]

Yeh, it's a safe bet

[scenic meteor]

And soul ash is 80% increased in 9.1 😋

[mortal quiver]

ok stupid question would I weave in casts of SBS on the same target for the addiontal combo points or is it a fire and forget for the most part. Also evidently I'm dumb cuz I made my first leggo doomblade as shoulders /facepalm

[gusty mirage]

you're not dumb 🙂

I also made doom on shoulders, but it was an ilvl thing for me (I didn't think I would get the SLG shoulders + I had 226 gloves and 220 shoulders)

But for SBS: You open with it, dot up whatever doesn't have the bleed on it, make sure you don't cap charges, and then dump available charges during gemstones window with heimir

or if you're playing Emeni, you use SBS to extend Lead by Example during vendetta

[thorny pond]

Open with SBS but save the other charges for gemstone windows

And my DB is also on shoulders until 9.1 so don’t feel bad

Why did your message just load Oxi. Sorry for the double post

[mortal quiver]

K i'll have to do the covenant swap after my raid tonight as I'm currently Venth. Just trying to up and maximize my dps as we have some low dpsers and I'm usually the high dps for our group and wanna be able to down stuff lol

[gusty mirage]

because your beauty is just too much for discord to comprehend, so it delayed my message @thorny pond

[thorny pond]

Venth is viable for prog

[thorny pond]

And aww you’re too pure for this world

[devout temple]

ya but i love boner spike

[pale fossil]

To be clear, that's in ST. In AoE you dump them on each mob early to help get bleeds up on everyone.

[gusty mirage]

"dot up whatever doesn't have the bleed on it"

I covered that

[hot helm]

If I already have doomblade on hands, is it really worth crafting another cloak?

[pale fossil]

Ah you're right

Mb

[limber lion]

[devout temple]

bone spike legendary looks interesting

[limber lion]

In 9.1 probably

[thorny pond]

With domination sockets we are speculating as much

[mortal quiver]

does the dmg increase to envenom on doomblade leggo benifit from the dot from sbs

[limber lion]

But we're still waiting to see wht happens

[pale fossil]

Either way, you shouldn't craft anything rn, and if you're worried about farming soul ash it's infinitely farmable in 9.1 so just wait to see what the sims say.

[limber lion]

Yes it does

[gusty mirage]

if you really wanna beat the crowd, you could buy the cloak leggo now

and just sit on it

[limber lion]

Yeh, I did that as well

[pale fossil]

I did it also.

[limber lion]

It'll probably sell for more in 9.1 regardless

[thorny pond]

Worst case scenario you make some gold on it

[gusty mirage]

^

[limber lion]

Even if it won't be the best choice for us

[pale fossil]

I've considered buying a few more to sell in 9.1 haha

[hot helm]

is assa looking strongest for raiding? or too ealrier to tell?

[limber lion]

Too early to say

[pale fossil]

It's looking the best.

[plain thistle]

same, 8k for 235 cape, super cheap

[gusty mirage]

afaik sub ST is looking super close though

[limber lion]

It's looking great though

[mortal quiver]

appreciate the help guys/gals and for not bashing me

[limber lion]

We don't do that here

At least

Not much

Usually.

Sometimes.

[gusty mirage]

only if you deserve it

[devout temple]

some class discords are very toxic

[gusty mirage]

cough DH discord cough

[devout temple]

lol

[limber lion]

We're a family here.

[unborn marlin]

The paladin discord can get messy every once and a great while

[scenic meteor]

Hmm I might buy the 235 base cloak piece rn

Seems like a good investment

[limber lion]

Yep sure is.

[gusty mirage]

worst case I'm sure you can pawn it off to an alt or a friend

[scenic meteor]

How much does your cloak cost on your server?

[limber lion]

What's up JJ?

[gusty mirage]

let me log in and check, I haven't been online since tuesday

[limber lion]

30k for me when I bought it

[young relic]

For all that are interested. Transmog channel: Last COMP (etition) before 9.1 will happen! More on it this monday. If you want you can already start prepping a mog. You will have roughly one week to apply and on monday the 28th we will have a new winner! More info on monday! 👍

[limber lion]

Everything's quite high and inflated on my server

[scenic meteor]

56k on mine

Lul

[devout temple]

i make most of my gold from tbc classic

[limber lion]

[scenic meteor]

And the warrior Lego I was trying to get was 66k 😒

[pallid mesa]

23k on area 52

[limber lion]

Go apply boys, JJ's comps are legit

[devout temple]

people trade a live token (190k?) for classic 250-350g which is like nothing since i have a 4 tailor CD alts

[limber lion]

Yeah, I'm only comparing my current server to my previous one

Tome was 40g

Now it's 280g for me

[scenic meteor]

Damn

Any of you on EU?

[limber lion]

Yes.

A lot of us are.

[scenic meteor]

which server? My leggo prices are horrible

[limber lion]

Stormreaver, came from Kazzak

[scenic meteor]

Why did you move from kazzak?

[limber lion]

Because I got into a guild on Stormreaver

[gusty mirage]

23k

[scenic meteor]

Ah I forgot people transfer to join guilds lol

[gusty mirage]

on Area 52 - US

[limber lion]

Yeh

[pallid mesa]

So how many of you are going necro?

[gusty mirage]

accidentally exposed my riches

[scenic meteor]

Flexing his money lol

[limber lion]

Relikar beat you to it heh

[gusty mirage]

oh

[limber lion]

Wtf you're stacked

[scenic meteor]

Pretty sure everyone is necro but me lol

[pallid mesa]

I'm still Venth

[cobalt pelican]

you should already be necro

smh

[limber lion]

We're not going necro

[pallid mesa]

I like exsang

[limber lion]

We are already necro

[limber lion]

Exsang?

Or Flag?

[pallid mesa]

er

[south hollow]

There's no thing such as WoWAnalyzer for assa right?

[pallid mesa]

flag

I'm dumb

[limber lion]

Not really.

[gusty mirage]

afaik wow analyzer hasn't been updated for rogues since like legion

[south hollow]

yea i know

[limber lion]

This discord is the closest thing to Wowanalyzer

[south hollow]

that's why i asked

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion

[south hollow]

I'm just trying to see if I'm doing anything wrong in my ST rotation

my rogue is 218 and im getting like 80s

[gusty mirage]

just throw your logs in here, big brain @limber lion is our resident wowanalyzer bot

[limber lion]

I hate spam mails, do they actually work

[south hollow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qv2Q69PzhyD7NraT#fight=4&type=damage-done this was one of my good pulls

[limber lion]

Yeh, throw your logs here and we'll take a look

[thorny pond]

I got one too-!

[gusty mirage]

@thorny pond TWINSIES

[south hollow]

I think i might have missed a shiv because i used it too late between pillars, but other than that idk

[limber lion]

I'm not home atm so I can't help yet

But I'll be here in like 4 hours

[thorny pond]

I feel like we’re two hot chicks at a bar getting hot on by the same creepy dude

[gusty mirage]

lmfaooo

[limber lion]

But I'm sure Oxi and the other reg OG's can help out

[pale fossil]

I might be transferring over there 👀

[gusty mirage]

from a quick glance: your rotation looks good, like you said 2nd pillar your shiv was a little later in the window but nothing stands out as wrong. Your pillar windows look good

[plain thistle]

garrote fell off 2 times, rupture 1, your opener can be sbs > snd, you dont need to sbs > mut > sbs. you can shiv 1 extra time before first pillar

you lost 9 combo point from mutilate, remember to finish at max-1

to avoid cp overcap

[limber lion]

[gusty mirage]

you got a 92% damage today rank

which is good

[plain thistle]

nothing major looks like, just some minor things

[gusty mirage]

the difference in a higher parse than that is the little bit that @plain thistle pointed out

also the MM hunter doing sub 4k is

[sonic schooner]

writting faster than Ceve

[gusty mirage]

Ceve's on his phone on the beach I believe

our boy's enjoying some R&R

[sonic schooner]

[limber lion]

I'm at my mom's place, just chilling in the sun and enjoying the nature

[sonic schooner]

x2

[limber lion]

Oxi is a beast, don't need to worry bout nada when he's here

[gusty mirage]

I'm not a beast, I'm just good at regurgitating the info you smart folks say

and being clear when I'm unsure about something

[limber lion]

Back to chillin' I go, peacekies

[gusty mirage]

enjoy the sun

[plain thistle]

also remember to use both sbs charges every gemstone window, even on pull. looks like you used almost correct, you just forgot gemstone proc a couple seconds after the pull too

[scenic meteor]

flaggelationchan uwu

[south hollow]

Yea on the pull i tend to forget but now I started doing it lately, idk why my brain doesn't want me to envenom with 4 CP instead of 5, just bad habbit i guess

Also something else I wanted to ask about,

[gusty mirage]

The first gemstones proc seems to get most people, if you don't have a WA for it I highly recommend grabbing one and adding a sound queue to it

I know I had to, because I'd tunnel into getting my stuff out and I'd end up losing a SBS cast

[south hollow]

In a 2 target fight like huntsman or SLG(on hc), do you just straight out burst on one of the targets or do you apply dots to both and then start bursting

and also, let's say a goliath spawns on SLG and you are in vendetta, do you switch targets in order to apply rupture and gar on him or do you keep focusing the vendetta target

[gusty mirage]

I personally like dotting up everything, but idk if that's the proper way of doing it

you could cheese it a bit by using a mouseover for garrote & rupture in that situation but that can get messy

so I'll let @plain thistle do the heavy pulling here :3

[plain thistle]

not sure which is better, if you check top huntsman log you will see people doing both

[gusty mirage]

my behind dotting everything up is that its more energy, and that's always a positive

[plain thistle]

right now I dot both before vendetta. but in the first weeks I did the normal burst before dotting the dog

[limber lion]

I've gotten multiple rank 1's on Huntsman and SLG, on both heroic and mythic

And let me tell you

It probably doesn't matter too much

It's a very small portion of the fight

[gusty mirage]

I have a confession fellow assa rogues

[limber lion]

I personally dot both up with Ruptures before pumping

[plain thistle]

the second question, I would garrote and rupture the new goliath, even if vendetta is up on boss

[limber lion]

Then garrote when it's off cd

[gusty mirage]

all of my good heroic parses outside of hungering.... are pirate parses

[limber lion]

But I don't wait to put both gar/rup on

Before going ham

[limber lion]

Same.

[bleak sky]

you're shaming our family oxi

[gusty mirage]

I know

[drifting cloud]

just tell us you did 1 outlaw meme clear 3months ago and none since

not like anyone will check

[gusty mirage]

I can't lie to family

I've brought shame to us all

[bleak sky]

99 sludge on outlaw

shame

[gusty mirage]

I WAS 7TH ON THE CHARTS TOO

[bleak sky]

all my parses are shit tho so I can't really talk about yours

[limber lion]

It's okay boys

We're all here to learn

Practice makes poggers

[bleak sky]

he has to learn not to play piratey boi, cev

😠

[limber lion]

He never said he doesn't play Sin

[gusty mirage]

I've been clean for almost 2 months

[limber lion]

Just that none of his parses are as good as on outlaw

[south hollow]

Thank you very much guys

[limber lion]

Man probably still grinds sin way more

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

I know, I know, I just wanted to meme on oxi 😦

[pale fossil]

Same.

[south hollow]

I'm a bit scared of the blood build, i love this spec, but never tried that build

[bleak sky]

getting a good parse on sin is hard, it's all the tryhard bois playing sin

[south hollow]

I know it's better the more haste u have in like the last patch/2 patches usually

[gusty mirage]

all is right in the world now though @bleak sky my humble mythic parses:

[bleak sky]

[pale fossil]

Huntsman

[scenic meteor]

[drifting cloud]

I still see an outlaw

[gusty mirage]

that was pre-9.0.5

[drifting cloud]

ok Ill let it slide then

[limber lion]

There's so many more tryhard pirate boys out there tbh

Just compare the numbers on sin/outlaw players

It's nutty

[gusty mirage]

BUT my assa IO is finally > my pirate io 🙂

[bleak sky]

I've only pugged mythic on my rogue up until sire, so it's all the shit parses

[gusty mirage]

[bleak sky]

damn oxi, pumping those M+

[gusty mirage]

I do like 800 less dps as outlaw

[drifting cloud]

m+ is some real shit in SL

I did ksm in december and since Ive done like 1 key higher than 16

[gusty mirage]

its definitely not fun

some of those bosses at a 20 are miserable even on fortified weeks

[red plaza]

Rogue skips to the new Torghast powers in 9.1? 📈?

[bleak sky]

not fun but gotta have io to sell boosts

[bleak sky]

wdym

[limber lion]

[ancient kraken]

skip to the power first so we clear faster

in m+

more dmg

[south hollow]

mama fucking mia

draenor eu

[gusty mirage]

jeez

why are EU prices so damn expensive

its probably cause all our EU homies are gamers

[south hollow]

compare rank 1 to rank 4

jesus

[gusty mirage]

buncha gamers probably bought the r4s driving up the price

[scenic meteor]

Mine is 56k argent dawn eu

But RP server I guess lol

[red plaza]

The new m+ seasonal affix is lieutenants around the dungeon that give you Torghast powers

[gusty mirage]

but tbf on area 52 US, r1 and r2 are both 100g and r4 is 23k

[red plaza]

I’ve seen some routes try and gather as much powers as you can before you blast through the dungeon

[gusty mirage]

yeah some routes are absolutely going to require shroud

WE'RE BACK BOYS

[south hollow]

[red plaza]

[thorny pond]

Shroud and invisibility will be meta for sure

[gusty mirage]

and we can laugh at the peasants who don't have stealth

now we don't have to save pots for invising past a pride

rogue stonks in 9.1

[thorny pond]

Ryfie was talking about the meta and like hpal is gonna be the boy without feign or stealth

[south hollow]

we wanna craft doomblade on cape because of the sockets right?

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

at least that's what it seems like so far until the 9.1 stuff is implemented into the sims

[south hollow]

i have it on my shoulders

at least it's rank 2 oh well

[gusty mirage]

same but at least now no one can shame us for having doomblade shoulders

I've been bullied in here since March

[south hollow]

it will be our little secret

[bleak sky]

does it even matter having doomblades on shoulders? it's not like SLG shoulders even exist

[exotic pulsar]

Why are so many rogues taking elaborate planning instead of blindside on mythic sire? I thought our purpose was to execute p3.

[bleak sky]

blizz took them out of the loot table i'm sure

[bleak sky]

ep vigor = BIG PARSE

[gusty mirage]

a couple things: multiple targets makes BS less good, EP is good in cleave & aoe, and EP/Vigor is like 30dps (if its even that high for your profile) behind BS/DS

[red plaza]

PARSE > PROG (not really, but that’s why you see parses use Doomblade instead of Zoldyck’s as well)

[exotic pulsar]

Ah I figured

Thats why they are taking CT. I guess they are just trying to pad p1 and p2

[scenic meteor]

I’m a noob, what is parse? Lol

[red plaza]

Don’t worry about. Just listen to your raid leader and do all the raid mechanics assigned to you with no problems

[scenic meteor]

Yep that’s what I do lol

[drifting cloud]

pb is also even worse on sire than on your average boss

[gusty mirage]

CT in ST isn't that far behind PB, and with all the movement on Sire CT is actually the better choice esp when playing zold

[plucky isle]

to simplify the parse question. It just matches you against other rogue of the same spec, and according to this it tracks how good you are doing

[exotic pulsar]

Maintaining an additional short lived dot on single target for a 10 min fight sounds like aids though

[drifting cloud]

well its still better in p3 which was your original question 😛

[scenic meteor]

Ah so a high parse means you are doing better than most other rogues in the same fight ?

[gusty mirage]

Whispyr checked out the DPS loss from not maintaining CT in pure ST and it's like 14 dps

[sonic schooner]

@south hollow i m on a little server, cloak r4 is 95k gold rn

[plucky isle]

anyone knows if phial of putrefaction still will be good?

[bleak sky]

yep

[gusty mirage]

so if you really don't want to, you technically can skip out on it

[drifting cloud]

thats probably without zold right

[drowsy parcel]

i bought a 235 cloak yesterday for 12k

[bleak sky]

probably but we gotta see how the new trinkets perform

[gusty mirage]

yeah I'm pretty sure he tested it with doomblade

[plucky isle]

that's correct, although a lot comes down to how fast you will kill a boss

[gusty mirage]

I could be wrong though

I never really asked

[exotic pulsar]

so CT vs PV is only 14 dps? That is awful.

[drifting cloud]

regarding cloaks I just checked on kazzak there was 1 up for 8k lol bought it just incase

[gusty mirage]

yeah PB kinda sucks balls

[scenic meteor]

235??

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[scenic meteor]

Lol gg

[limber lion]

Probably still giga

[drowsy parcel]

imagine 252 phial first vault

[limber lion]

[plucky isle]

awesome, i know where i will farm my valor now

[gusty mirage]

still waiting for my 226

[bleak sky]

stop my peepee is hard

[limber lion]

Valor resets in 9.1

So

Just be aware

[gusty mirage]

watch them give us 1 silver per again

[plucky isle]

yeah i mean in 9.1 ^^

[gusty mirage]

so I can tilt

[limber lion]

Okay good

Don't go ham just yet :p

[slender berry]

probably wont be able to ham in 9,1 anyway since you have a relatively low cap first week

[gusty mirage]

well friendos I'll brb gotta go for a bit

don't burn the place down

[slender berry]

time to spread secondary stat caps

[ancient kraken]

cape 10k

[pallid hollow]

1000/750 valor probably

[cerulean nest]

anyone comprehend the plan for domination gear/sockets? seems so all over the place

[drifting cloud]

acquire all

[limber lion]

Likely you want all 5 pieces

All 3 unholy gems

[bleak sky]

[limber lion]

1 frost dps gem

And 1 blood dps gem

[cerulean nest]

okay okay

[limber lion]

Buuuuuut gotta wait to see how they play out

[drifting cloud]

cant wait to do normal clears a few weeks in for domination gear

[limber lion]

We can:t really test them out too too much currwntly

The vendors are awful in ptr

And you can't get the raid items from anywhere

Can't test the sylvanas dagger either

[pallid hollow]

Probably unholy dps gem x3 plus 1 fdps and 1 bdps.

As it stands atm you can have rank 1/2/3 and they’re separate so you can have 5 dps gems

[limber lion]

Yes.

Like I literally said

After that

But uhm it's likely

That the multiple ranks

Are a bug

[indigo mulch]

Anyone know if you actually need all 5 of the new sanctum gems to get the bonus or is 3 enough?

[limber lion]

But who knows

[pallid hollow]

Yeah stupid realistically

[limber lion]

3

All uniques

One of each

[pallid hollow]

At that point they should let you just stack them

[limber lion]

Yeh maybe

The healing gems are useless for dps

Why should we need one

Lol

[indigo mulch]

I thought you needed like 3 blood to get the bonus

[limber lion]

"200 speed" nty I'll take 0.3% more dps

[limber lion]

Yes

3 unholy gems

One of each

[pallid hollow]

Should just make it so that you can add a “domination socket” to X item slot

[indigo mulch]

But 5 inholy wont do anything?

[limber lion]

No

And

There are only 3 gems

There are not 5 unholy gems

There's only 3 unique ones

[drifting cloud]

Cev is stacking the speed ones dont tell anyone

[cerulean nest]

and they all drop from raid bosses right?

[limber lion]

Hoping that stacking ranks is not a bug, even though it will promote awful degen gameplay

[limber lion]

Yes

[cerulean nest]

100% rate?

[limber lion]

Tbh imagine a speed set with 5x speed gems

Insane

[limber lion]

Don't know yet.

Doubt it.

[cerulean nest]

oy vey

[drifting cloud]

and a leech set

[jagged yoke]

whats the best 9.1 spec looking like?

[limber lion]

Probably similar to conduits

[limber lion]

Each specialize in different things

No one best spec

[jagged yoke]

raid and m+ ?

[limber lion]

Sin for raiding is likely, Outlaw for m+

[indigo mulch]

Assassination is besy dont lie.

[limber lion]

Sub is looking great as well tbh

We can't really say

Gotta wait for sims

[indigo mulch]

Asasssination is bae.

[drowsy parcel]

venthyr sub

[jagged yoke]

ah ok i havent played since like a month after SL so might go back to sin after doing sub

[drowsy parcel]

the darkest horse

[indigo mulch]

Did they actually start the sims already?

Or they going to wait closer to release?

[limber lion]

They did a but

But

We're missing a lot of stuff

Most havem't been implemented yet

So they can't sim

[drifting cloud]

rogue tcs dont overdo sims before releases usually since its mostly just a waste of time

but some other classes have alot more stuff

[indigo mulch]

Like daggers?

=D

[limber lion]

Don't have em

They literally changed them

Under 24 hours ago

[indigo mulch]

Wait what

Whst did they do to it?

[limber lion]

Buff

By like 300%

[indigo mulch]

Lol

[limber lion]

A lot of stuff is missing

Ask again in 2 weeks :p

[indigo mulch]

300% isent that much considering it was very underwhelming

[limber lion]

@balmy condor will be doing all the simming with the TC lads, he'll post new sims in the pins the second they're ready

If there isn't sims in the pins

They are not done

[indigo mulch]

No i know lets bring out the pitchforks so were ready to hunt whispyer down when blizzard changes something.

[vestal wren]

if there was only a way to sim ptr

like by using ptr=1 in a simulation on raidbots

[bleak sky]

tc = theorycrafting?

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[indigo mulch]

Is simc updated for 9.1 though?

[limber lion]

No it is nit

[sand sigil]

does anyone know if the daggers when they stack to 4 become "12% chance of 8k damage per cp", or is it just the probability or just the damage that gets stacked?

[limber lion]

A lot of things are missing implementations

[vestal wren]

mostly yes

[limber lion]

We don't know yet, we cannot test them out.

[vestal wren]

you can check my pin in #wow-general for status

[indigo mulch]

Cherrios. I guess theree arent to much wow stuffs missing there right?

[drifting cloud]

doubt its both 12% of 8k per cp sounds insane

[indigo mulch]

Errr rogue stuffs*

[vestal wren]

there is stuff missing

[limber lion]

Probably either or

[vestal wren]

domination sockets f.ex.

[limber lion]

But pretty much the same result in dps

[vestal wren]

and trinekts/etc are not fully implemented

also always expect more changes over time

[limber lion]

a lot of stuff is missing

Highly advise against starting your own sim journey in advanced now tbh

[indigo mulch]

Domination is w/e trinkets is a shame though.

[drifting cloud]

is that dungeon trinket still insane in latest journal?

[vestal wren]

jus check the doc in #wow-general

also

very important, check what simc version raidbots is using to be sure you are up to date

[indigo mulch]

Yeah

[vestal wren]

9.1 support will come to raidbots with patch release

if you want to do the usual casual sim you will need to wait for the release

[indigo mulch]

Im more curious how much dps we will gain from all thst juicy sanctum loot. Almost all the peices have crit/haste.

[limber lion]

If you actually want to sim stuff, you need beta raidbots or do it locally

[gusty kestrel]

567,94 dps

[limber lion]

It's awful

[limber lion]

Throw a dart at a board

[vestal wren]

just wait for 9.1 release

[drifting cloud]

its gonna be alot

[vestal wren]

so you can use the dropoptimizer

[indigo mulch]

Im throwing myself into a freezer. Its way to warm atm.

[drifting cloud]

sockets and conduits plus the usual ilvl

should be above 10k easily very fast

[vestal wren]

9.1 release gives you a full week to sim your stuff

(raid is released one week later)

[indigo mulch]

I need to level my survival hunter though.

The meme is ready.

[limber lion]

Likely seeing tuning as well during heroic week before mythic.

[indigo mulch]

Its always a tuning patch just before mythic.

[vestal wren]

hard to predict

[limber lion]

I mean, it happens pretty much every time

[vestal wren]

but yes, its usual that we see tuning with mythic release

[limber lion]

But yeh

[vestal wren]

blizz did state in the dev interview that they want to do weekly tuning changes

but mainly to underperforming specs

[pallid hollow]

Yeah but small indie company

[vestal wren]

so assuming they rly do that we will have far more changes in power dynamic

[limber lion]

They have also said that they do not want to do balancing/tuning during the first weeks of mythic raids

[vestal wren]

but, we won't know before it happens (or not if they stay with their old strategy)

[limber lion]

So they try to do it before that

And after the wfr has concluded

[polar cape]

They dont want to tune class first mythic week causr they wanna tune booss

[vestal wren]

i think the idea is to buff underperformers only

[polar cape]

Kek

[vestal wren]

because that doesen't impact the wfr

also only tune op specs down a bit

so they maintian very strong but probably not like... too strong

[dense narwhal]

Anyone else feel like shiv comes off cooldown way too fast? Lol I find it tricky to incorporate, especially in m+

Definitely my most neglected cd

[limber lion]

Highly doubt they will tune any op specs down during wfr

They let stuff like echoing void stay

Because they knew it would mess things up

[vestal wren]

they did it in cn

[limber lion]

If they changed it

They did?

[vestal wren]

yes

DK was nerfed

[limber lion]

To which class

[vestal wren]

Hunter got a small nerf

[gusty mirage]

not really, because you just send it on CD

especially in AoE

even if you don't have energy, even if you don't have CP to envenom in the window

you just send it

[dense narwhal]

Do you just use it on cd on priority target? Even if you're not envenoming?

Ahh

[gusty mirage]

yeah because it also increases your poison damage

so its still good to hit the prio target with

if you wanna know how hard the bot slams shiv, I've seen it shiv a mob that was about to die in slice

lol

[dense narwhal]

Assuming your snd drops, do you get your 5 bleeds up first before refreshing snd?

[gusty mirage]

you'd want snd up first

because melee hits are such a big part of our damage

[dense narwhal]

I keep hearing different things about that. I'd agree with you though

[gusty mirage]

have you seen @warped temple 's m+ guide?

it's the best resource we have for assa aoe/m+

🙂

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W2Db7rkSIiT56b0PXQPjugZATnyx6aDOflx4oZgVwgs/edit?usp=sharing

[dense narwhal]

Lol love the name

[gusty mirage]

Peanut gang unite

[vestal wren]

oh wait, do i remember it wrong

was 9.0.2 only pvp nerfs

[limber lion]

I do not remember this whatsoever

[gusty mirage]

afaik that was pvp only

[limber lion]

Only aimed shot being nerfed in pvp or something

[gusty mirage]

they did nerf a shit ton of bosses in 9.0.2 though

[dense narwhal]

So Muti 3 targets and under

Crimson tempest outside of shiv window

For St

[limber lion]

Ye

[gusty mirage]

yeah you only fok on 3 if you need to apply poisons

[limber lion]

In aoe you ct regardless

[dense narwhal]

Does CT apply poisons?

[limber lion]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

it can yea

[limber lion]

At normal rates

Isn't 100%

[bitter canyon]

CT spam?

[limber lion]

No.

[gusty mirage]

yeah in aoe you just envenom to keep up snd

that's about it

[bitter canyon]

Okay but here me out

What if there’s like 12 targets

CT only hits 8

[soft shale]

you can move and make ct hit different targets

[limber lion]

Then you CT twice to hit the rest

[soft shale]

same with shuriken storm

[gusty mirage]

run to the other side of the pack and CT and pray to the rng gods

[warped temple]

exactly lol

[soft shale]

usually you can just run a bit out of melee range and hit one side

then go to the other one and use it again

[ionic vault]

hello, where would someone start if they were trying to decide between playing assassination or outlaw for 9.1 ?

[limber lion]

If there's 4 targets missing CT, you're ticking off the condition box that says "ct when target is afflicted by it"

[limber lion]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[limber lion]

Watch some streams

[vestal wren]

a lot of ct's power is in the dot

[gusty mirage]

I'd give them both a shot and see what you like more

[vestal wren]

you don't want to spam it

[limber lion]

Never.

CT spam is dead.

[vestal wren]

i mean

ct stream was a thing

[ionic vault]

@gusty mirage ive played both in the past but I was just wondering if there were any logs available for ptr testing or something

[vestal wren]

but only because most people didn't know how to use it

and then just spammed ct

that was in early bfa

i remember discussions about it in this channel

[gusty mirage]

if you're looking at the damage output for raid, sin beats out outlaw afaik unless something's changed

[vestal wren]

outlaw is behind on pure st

[gusty mirage]

probably 2-3T cleave too ya?

[vestal wren]

outlaw is good in cleave

its not subtlety

single target matters a lot in raids

[ionic vault]

Im just starting today reading on 9.1 changes. Id have to check what the new boss fight look like before making a decision too I guess

[vestal wren]

this is why assassination with a clear damage lead on it is a preferable choice

but keep in mind that you can absolutely bring outlaw to raid too

esp. if your raid is not pushing high world ranks

[keen swallow]

What lego do we run in m+?

[strange python]

@vestal wren what disqualifies ass in ranking? Isn't it projected for number 1 melee?

[soft shale]

m+ zzoldyck

[vestal wren]

wdym munky?

[keen swallow]

ty

[vestal wren]

i did say assassination is ahead of outlaw not vice versa

[gusty mirage]

right now zoldyk's, 9.1 probably zoldyk's after the deathspike nerf, but we won't know for sure just yet

[strange python]

I mean assassination in the world first race. Don't u think ass would be included if not the majority of melee in raid?

[vestal wren]

zold/doomblade both works fine in m+

[strange python]

Oh my bad

I misread what u where saying

[scenic meteor]

Doomblade for ToP and plateful, zoldycks rest

[gusty mirage]

doomblade is no no outside of plague and top

[vestal wren]

was about to say that you will need to be carefull with it ^^

zold is probably the "you can't go wrong" choice

[gusty mirage]

^

[vestal wren]

munky, about the wfr

its very hard to predict what will be brought

[scenic meteor]

@warped temple great guide 🙂

[keen swallow]

Okay cheers. Am i safe going necrolord for 9.1?

[vestal wren]

both sub/sin are aout equal on output and very high on the sims

[scenic meteor]

More than safe

[keen swallow]

Doing both raids and m+ (as assass

[limber lion]

Doomblade is awful for m+ for the most part

It's 0 value in big packs

[vestal wren]

however rogue still doesen't bring additional raid utility.
This means that its possible that raiders will just drop rogue in fav. of other classes

[scenic meteor]

Necro is best allrounder, way ahead in aoe and tiny bit behind venthyr in ST @keen swallow

[limber lion]

Necro king yeh

[keen swallow]

Okay ty

[glass dust]

Why Necro is jumping few places in ST since 9.1 ?

Is this still better than NF in ST ?

[vestal wren]

we had a more in detail discussion about necro/venthyr earlier today

[strange python]

Fair. Cloak immunity will only get us so far

[vestal wren]

#assassination message

[warped temple]

❤️

[vestal wren]

^ if you want to read up on it

necro is atm the assumed best choice because its more dynamic in use

if its the best choice for you will depend

[soft shale]

also assa does not have good conduits for aoe/cleave so fractures is big gains for them

katar and deadly poisons are meh

[wide bolt]

Looking at pins should i recraft doomblade on cloak or dont bother and keep using gloves?

[limber lion]

Necro is the best choice because it beats any other covenant in any other situation but pure single target

1t venth

[strange python]

Apparently the Lego slot choices are very marginal

[limber lion]

2t-1000t necrolord

1t + waves of adds necrolord

1+ 1 target for 50% of the fight, necrolord

2 targets, second is immune the entire fight - still necrolord

Necro wins in cleave, aoe, prio, funnel

Venth wins in pure st with no adds

[tulip nacelle]

[gusty mirage]

what if there's 1.5 targets?

[limber lion]

Necro

[gusty mirage]

what if there's like 3 spiders sitting in the corner?

[limber lion]

Necro

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

Are they having tea?

[soft shale]

time to make the oprah meme but with necro

[slim cradle]

Main reason u want legendary on cloak is that gloves have domination sockets in the raid

[scenic meteor]

Damn @limber lion

[limber lion]

"what if x?"

If x is anything else but "pure st"

The answer is necro

[scenic meteor]

Maybe I will go necro lol but I do enjoy my flaggelation

[limber lion]

Just stay Venthyr then

Honestly

Numbers are numbers

[gusty mirage]

naturally, but they also said you smell bad so you have to kill at least 1

[limber lion]

It's a video game in the end

[spice spire]

[scenic meteor]

Yeah true, I’m doing heroic raiding only and light mythics can’t be that different

[limber lion]

If you're not playing at a high tier, there is very little reason to play the most optimal way

Especially if you hate it

[gusty mirage]

you'll also play better if you like what you're playing

[limber lion]

Yeh, just play what you want my guy

[gusty mirage]

so if you want to be an owlboy

we'll judge you, but have at it

[strange python]

True but I am sweaty and rather just quietly hate blizzard for the original nerf of bonespike from beta

[limber lion]

I have a friend who played an SP because his guild asked him to

He played like shit

He switched back to his main

He pumped

[pallid hollow]

I was venthyr but damn sbs feels and looks good.

[limber lion]

Playing something that you enjoy goes a long way

[gusty mirage]

SBS is super fun to play

[keen swallow]

Would it be worth waiting for 9.1 to drop first before I craft zoldyck?

[limber lion]

Even if it's numerocally slightly behind

[gusty mirage]

It just seems kind of overwhelming if you've never played it outside of the campaign

[pallid hollow]

Just no idea about leggos now D: too much up in the air atm

[limber lion]

Yes

[scenic meteor]

Prob wait on crafting any leggos

[limber lion]

You should honestly wait before doing anything too hastily

Wait after the first week of 9.1

Before crafting stuff

[keen swallow]

Yeah, i just wanna check what pieces to buy. If legs are cheap il grab them.

[limber lion]

Go for it

[pallid hollow]

I’ve got doom blade at 190 and celerity at 225 for m+

[limber lion]

You can sell em after

Ez money if nothing else

[keen swallow]

got a 235 cloak for 9k for doomblade

[limber swallow]

ugh.. someone jacked all the prices up on A52 for cloak and wrists..

[scenic meteor]

That’s good they are 56k on my server

[limber swallow]

probably someone in this discord....

[strange python]

Is the covenant Lego worth it for 9.1? Or is it the only option? Like can we run zoldycks and doomblade?

[forest vigil]

I'd do it if I thought about it

[gusty mirage]

it seemed like it'd beat out zoldyk in m+ before the nerf

now we don't really know for sure

[pallid hollow]

Hence wait for sims?

[limber lion]

Always